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- In todays video I show you the best way to "Tune" your 10/22 to your ammunition. Swapping between different manufacturer bolts will change your groups, and sometimes the change is drastically good. Each bolt tested had a different head space measurement, and this video will show you just how different each bolt made the rifle shoot. It's quite shocking.
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Today's Rifle Setup:
28" Green Mountain Barrel
Brownells Bolt H/S Measurement .0465
Kidd bolt H/S Measurement .0435
Ruger Bolt H/S Measurement .0485
KRG BRAVO STOCK
Timney 1022-1C Trigger
ARKEN SH4 Scope
Fun fact, Don is 55 yards from the target...dons barrel is 50 yards from the target 🤣🤣
Good video brother
😂 that barrel is sooooooo long! Looks alittle ridiculous in the KRG. I’m leaving it in that receiver till it oblongs it, good content for another video. lol
Lmao
Great video Don, I sent two 10/22s to Connecticut Precision Chambering for the exact thing you did today, he tunes a stock bolt to .043 headspace, squaring up the bolt to match the barrel chamber face, barrel set back and reboring with match chamber and recrowning. He shipped them back today so I’ll know more soon, Randy knows 10/22s. Thanks again for all your projects.
Randy has the best recipe for factory 10/22 parts you’ll love those rifles. Mine likes Eley Target and Force. Plus it shoots CCI standard quite well.
I’ll have to check him out. The bolt definitely has more to do with accuracy then I previously thought. I used to think they were made to print and had the same general geometry. There is definitely a difference and after measuring everything the only real difference I have found is the headspace.
One of my 10/22s is the Competition Model, Randy told me the only Ruger parts is firing pin and charging handle. The receiver and bolt are Brownells. It shot pretty well but the chamber was sloppy and the headspace was good. The All Weather 10/22 Stainless got the whole treatment and also threaded the barrel for accessories. Hopefully I’ll have them reassembled and tested by the end of the weekend.
@@lutherprice2062 that’s awesome
I received the 10/22s back from Randy and got them scoped and zeroed. By the time I got them back I had traded the Ruger Competition Model for another toy but my buddy that has it now says it shoots as well as his Bergara B14r, I haven’t shot it yet but I have before groups at 100yds so I’ll know soon how well it does. The All Weather is just a plain Jane synthetic stock with stainless tapered barrel. He did his magic on the bolt, .043 headspace, setback the barrel with match chamber, threaded the barrel for the silencer. With seeing the threading you wouldn’t know anything was changed changed. I shot multiple 3rd groups while tightening the action screw beginning at 10in lbs and settled at 30in lbs for my best groups. Funny thing, they were all MOA or smaller at 50yds. It likes SK SemiAuto and before I left I shot one round at a shoot and see target to see if I could bullseye one, dead center. This is going to be my sleeper because in the end my RimX may not shoot $3500 better than this $300 10/22. Give Randy a call and tell him Luther sent you
Man, I saw a factory ruger 10/22 that was shooting @ 2" groups at 50yrds. Changed to a Houge over mold stock, faxon 16" bull barrel, faxon bolt= 1/2 groups at 50yrds with cci's standard velocity. Awesome video brother. New subscriber here
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You can also get a Neil Jones headspace sorting gauge and sort the ammo for the one your rifle likes best.
Damned good informative video. Hats off to you for taking the time for this.
No problem. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Chamber type effects headspace, if you take different ammo and measure diameter at the bullet, or lube rings , then measure the distance from the rim to the end of that lube ring you can see how a shorter chamber, or one with more angle at the tip of the reamer would actually be tight on the bullet. If it’s too tight, especially in a semi auto the extra headspace could start to effect accuracy. I’ve got specs for at least 25 reamers plus my own custom, many are only different by a ten thousandth hear or there but if you look at the Bentz (made for semi autos) you can see why the shells extract, where a match chamber, depending on the rifle to allow a loaded or even a fired case to extract. I worked for some time get a reamer that just allows SK and Ely to chamber and extract at 0.043” headspace.
It seems a lot of chamber designs were made as the long rifle round was developed by multiple manufacturers and a standard got makers closer to each other, match ammo will always be tighter
I was reading about this a few weeks ago and tried to explain it in the video (poorly) so I cut it out. Some bolts from my testing matched barrels better then others. And I’m sure it has to do with how the chamber was cut like what you have experienced. I’m getting better at explaining things but fail miserably sometimes, then I get flustered and it hits the cutting room floor.
@@RimfireSS I have issues myself. I was an EMS instructor for many years but had a bad episode of facial paralysis and had to have an operation. Therapy helped but sometimes I can’t get a sentence together despite knowing what I want to say. I know having a channel again would help my business so I’m looking at giving it a shot.
You do great and edit well but I know the time that takes
Can’t believe Brownells would sell a bolt that doesn’t have a pinned firing pin as that effect was demonstrated years ago.
Super informative 👌 great content
Thanks, Don. I'm really appreciating the content you are putting out. There are others *cough* STKO *cough* who are putting out terrible information with poorly designed tests. This clearly shows the repeatability of your results and I actually learned something.
I actually stumbled onto this doing a different test, I always assumed the headspace was to print. Basically all the bolts had the same geometry. That changing your bolt wouldn’t help accuracy. We’ll you can plainly see it really does. I was really surprised so after examining each bolt the only difference I could really find was in the head space and that actually makes perfect sense.
@@RimfireSSGood shooting! I've done a video on this topic years ago and ended up saying the exact samething you did here and only noticing about 1/8" difference in groups using a factory 10/22 with a Ruger factory bolt and Tandemkross bolt
It's the little things. After shooting several round out of a blow back rifle gun, you may or should notice some nasty stuff on the chamber face. There will also or should be some of the same stuff on the bolt face and where the bullet rim lives. Guess what ? There goes your head space measurement. Clean those areas with a narrow stiff brush after a few targets or match. @@RimfireSS
sapago4166, I agree this was a good test and he proved his conclusions with his rifle. That is the same thing STKO is doing with his tests. He is sharing what his testing the way he does it for his rifles, not your rifle. Many things James shares is good information for many rifles. So, it is obvious that you don't care for his information so don't click on his videos. DUH!!!
@@o5245607 I watch him for the entertainment value. If you haven't figured out yet that he is an utter buffoon who gives bad information and rarely knows what he is talking about, that's not my problem.
That first scene with your rifle sure shows off the length of that barrel. Man, that barrel is long! You seeing any powder burns on the targets there Don? 😂 Keep shooting bud. I really like these tests that you do. They are a lot more “scientific” than other videos I’ve watched with so called comparisons. Thank man.
Yeah that sucker look’s ridiculous in that KRG Bravo stock. Looks better in the Oryx chassis. No powder burns yet. That sucker shoots pretty damn good though.
The Brownells bolt is pretty reasonably priced at around $100, too. I've been thinking of one since i built my rifle from parts, the bolt having some corrosion and pitting, but not on important surfaces, and wanted to make it look better. nice to hear it's at least a little better than stock. I can't see spending $200 or more on a bolt for something I hardly have that much in anyway and I'm not going for crazy accuracy, just practice and fun.
Honestly I’d look at the Kidd bolt, it’s $130 and the tolerances are better. I have had some problems With the Brownells bolts and light strikes. A lot of them.
Thanks for that info, I'll look into them, and yeah, the reviews on the Brownells bolt do have some mention of not working well with a ruger receiver, but better with their own parts.@@RimfireSS
Good stuff brother, your next video, on head space will be great. 😊
I swapped my stock bolt for the kidd and unfortunately didn’t see any change in groups. The kidd barrel made a massive difference, but was hoping to see a change with the bolt. Still, surprised at how well the 10/22 can shoot when setup properly. Great video.
I think it’s really going to depend on the ammunition your using. The stock bolt is set up more for high velocity bulk ammunition where the KIDD is better for Match ammunition but will still work well with the bulk stuff. What kind of ammunition do you normally shoot? I’m going to dive into this abit more with different barrels and a couple different bolts I haven’t tested yet. More to come on this subject for sure.
@@RimfireSS I absolutely agree. I think you may find the bolt change requires a new lot test. The fun of 22! Love playing around with these things. I normally shoot Sk standard plus for plinking and it shoots well. But I have one lot of center x that this rifle just loves. Stacks them just as well as my Vudoo at 50m.
According to Mr Kidd himself, his bolt has the same headspace as the Ruger.
@@patdennis3751 I just did another video about this. I have 9 10/22s and out of the nine 7 have the “correct” headspace. .0435 Out of the two Ruger bolts I have only one has the out of spec headspace and that’s the one in this video. The Brownells bolt is strange as when you measure the headspace it’s different along the “ Bottom” like the bit used to cut it was not square. So I think the 2 bolts in this video are Blems and do not represent the headspace of most bolts.
Just to clarify-you had a different barrel BEFORE you installed the Kidd barrel and it is the different barrel that didn’t show any improvement? What seems obvious to me is that the “other” barrel was a junker. A Kidd bolt isn’t going to fix a crap barrel.
Great stuff, keep it coming! I did not know that about the different bolts.
Apparently the bolts I tested are pretty uncommon. I took apart all 8 of my 10/22s today and that Brownells and ruger bolt I tested in this video were the only 2 of the 8 bolts I have that are over .044. I’m gonna test 4 more tomorrow that have the same headspace to see if there’s any difference in how those shoot.
Damn that barrel is long...you only need 18" barrel for optimum performance...I also swapped bolts to discover the same thing you did...stock bolt, Kidd bolt, Volquartzen bolt. Got to love the Arken scopes for the price...
Most ammunition manufacturers test velocity out of a 26” barrel. Some people like the longer barrel to slow the ammunition down for better consistency. But your right it’s long and looks ridiculous in the KRG chassis. Lol I just bought it to show it was available.
Interesting test Don, good job.
I think what I learned the most from this is some bolts definitely work better with some barrels then others. Am I gonna flip flop bolts around from one rifle to another? Probably not. But you never know.
Well Done! Good useful stuff. You content is very helpful to us old rookies. I have a 10/22 with a Kidd bolt, a Fedderson receiver and Lilja barrel. Might just order a Brownell's bolt for the sake of experimentation. Keep it coming, good stuff for sure.
Be careful with the Brownells bolts, the last few I bought last month had light strike problems I couldn’t fix. I think the last batch they had done were defective. I sent them back and bought some Kidd bolts and problem went away. They worked better with aftermarket triggers but not worth a damn with the Ruger BX trigger. But I still had a few light strikes even with the aftermarket trigger. The Brownells bolts I bought last year were great. Just a heads up.
And yet more useful information! Thanks Don@@RimfireSS
How does that Lilja barrel shoot in that 10/22? Been considering one of those.
The Lilja shoots better than I do for sure. It's a 20" heavy barrel and at 50 yards it will shoot inside a dime a good part of the time and inside a nickel most of the time. I shoot outdoors at a fairly windy site and mostly shoot Norma TAC-22 and some RWS target. Will spend money on guns but too cheap to buy spendy ammo. After your previous message I ordered a Tandemkross bolt and put it in the Ruger receiver with the Ruger Stainless barrel that CPC had worked and it shoots really well. It's my lightweight gun and the Lilja barrel gun is my heavy one. The Ruger receiver and barrel seem plenty happy with CCI SV and the Lilja likes Norma or RWS Target Rifle much better than CCI. Didn't like the Tandemkross charging handle(sharp edges) and their DoubleKross mags required a bunch of filing and sanding to get them in and out of the rifle. Next step is to switch bolts but winter here in Spokane WA is interfering with my fun.@@RimfireSS
Thanks Don You are much appreciated
I appreciate the comment. More to come on this subject.
Very good video and great information. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Jeff.
Wow, interesting! Great video!
Glad you liked it!
Could you rank them in order from most to least head space or tell us the head space measurements? Maybe it's more the headspace than the BRAND? Did the most head space win or the least?
If you watch the next video after this one I explain everything. Things were still developing when I made this video.
Thanks, I went to your channel but not sure which is "the next" not numbered like season1 episode 1/2/3. I am also interested in mag tuning. Just built 2 duplex (?) mags from parts, so the lips are plastic, also have two single originals that are steel. I wound then 1 turn & 1 more as specified. Have not shot them yet.@@RimfireSS
I checked three of my stock Ruger bolts with a Starrett depth gauge. All checked at .043-.044". I installed a Harrell's tuner on one of my 24" Green Mountain Barrels. Four complete turns out from zero produced two three shot groups at 100 yds that measured in the low .03s. Wind picked up before I could test more. Tomorrow looks to be calm. Will test more Eley SABRP. I am disappointed in the current Lot #s Killoughs has. They are all in the 1030s fps range.
My Ruger bolts measure .050 and .0485 but there newer ones. How old are yours?
@@RimfireSS two are 10+ years old. My new one from Midway measured .044".
Actually .0438" when I rechecked it this morning.
@@joed3264 I have another one that measures .044 going to do more testing today.
Thanks Don ! Very well done. I would have never guessed this. Is there an easy way to measure actual headspace on a 10/22? How did you arrive at the headspaces for each bolt ?
I’m going to do another video on this with a cheap depth gauge. A good one can cost 150-350 bucks but you can get a pretty accurate measurement with a 15$ digital tire gauge. You measure from the face of the bolt to the bottom of the recess of the bolt that holds the round.
@@RimfireSS thanks Don . I was imagining having to take the barrel off like on a Lilja. But tge 10/22 bolt is not locked like a bolt action . It naturally comes to rest on the face of the breech . Not sure why I couldn’t figure this one out ,duh! I really expected the Kidd bolt to do the best at the tightest headspace . I can’t possibly come up with a theory of why more headspace would run better . Only thing that comes to mind is that the Brownells bolt might be causing less damage to the rounds during cycling? It’s 22! Sometimes we just gotta take a win and go with it without understanding lol!
@@Jeff-mv4yy yeah, I took apart 6 of my 10/22s and measured the bolts on all of them. What I came up with is the range of .042 - .044 on 5 of them. The other 2 ( the ones I tested in this video) are the only outliers with larger headspace. Today I’m going to shoot the 4 with the headspace that almost the same and see if they group differently. Stay tuned.
Very useful. Thanks.
Very nice informative video .... I built me a custom 10/22 last year and it has a KIDD 16.5 SS barrel and a JWHCustom bolt (Don't know the headspace they are using) and it shoots all bullets touching at 50 yds with Wolf MT & CCi SV ..... I might have to try me one of those Brownell's bolts just to see what I get and to also have a back up bolt.
Thanks, great content. Due to so many variables, I don't think the average is very helpful. I believe the best group from each bolt shows us the real bolt potential. In that case, each bolt comes to the same result.
I'd like to see various ammo used while testing each bolt. Change the build and the gun may have different preferences
@@taylorblair4759 oh it will as most rim thickness is not the same on different brands.
Anytime someone is testing 10/22's, they have my attention. I have been working on improving them for more than 10 years. It looks like you have formed a liking for them so may I humbly suggest the following. Do a test on your magazines ( the ten round only) and see what you get. I have 25 or more ten round mags and only four pass the accuracy test. You can wrap up a lot of money on parts, but if you don't do a through test of your mags, you will never truly know where you have a issue. Trust me on this my friend! Trying those single stack mags is a waste of ammo. Don't do it.
Which single stack mags are you talking about?
Any magazine that will move fore and aft and port to starboard. Bx 25 and Bx 15's will do that. I have tried several of those mags and other brands and the results were poor. The rotary mags will at lest fit snug with no wobble. Even then some mags will feed the round in too high or low. You can't start off by shaving a round and expect it to group. That is why you see benchrest folks loading single rounds with great care.I could flood you with 10/22 information but don't want to step on your board. Anything that will move or wobble on or in a rifle makes for a unhappy rifle. @@RimfireSS
@@susanball1311 I put set screws on the mag side of the vblock bolt holes. Most of my mags fit snug because those set screws take up the clearance of the smaller 15-25 round magazine heads. I’ve got a bunch of crap magazines. Most of which are 15 rounders. I have pretty good luck “tuning” my 10s, I set the springs up identically. Once in awhile I get one that won’t cooperate but I think I only have a couple of those. I’m sure you know way more about these rifles then I, I’m out there trying different things all the time, some work and I usually make a video when I see a big difference.
That is great. I'm glad you are aware of that issue on the stack mags. However most folks I see shooting don't know about this or don't think it matters. I purchased a couple of mags from a company (TI) that had adjust screws but I could never get them where I wanted them to be. Have you tried loading your stack mags and hand cycling them ? That is another little thing that adds up. Magic mark the top 12 0'clock position on the brass on the top round. Then hand cycle it slowly by hand. Then eject it on something very soft and look for any skinned spots. You can normally tell a good mag as you will see when the bolt picks it up, it aligns with the chamber as it enters. If they enter high, I take a Dremel and take off some of the feed lip a little at a time. If they enter low, throw them away or give them to a competitor. :) I set my spring on 10 round mags at one full turn plus three flats. Clean them with silicon spray. I appreciate what you do here and when I noticed you working with 10/22's, I found a friend. @@RimfireSS
@@susanball1311 almost all of my 15 round mags take a shaving from the bullet. I actually rounded the chamber edge of one of my barrels I wasn’t using anymore. It definitely fixed the problem and didn’t seem to effect accuracy but I still can’t bring myself to do it to a good barrel. Lol
Very interesting and timely for me as I am considering a new barrel and bolt at the same time. I am leaning to a Kidd combo in as much as I think that Kidd would produce a barrel / bolt combination that would work together well. Or am I imagining things? Love the barrel you using! Wow. What ammo were you shooting? Thanks for another great video.
That’s a 28” Green Mountain Barrel, it’s a tad long, but they do make a nice 24” barrel that shoots great also but I’ll leave a link below. Nothing wrong with the KIDD barrel and bolt combo. There chambers are alittle tight so you may have issues with some Eley ammo. But there good for the most part. I can honestly say I’ve never been disappointed with any of the Green Mountain barrels I own. The KIDD bolt is a good match up with that barrel as well. It kinda got screwed by the ammunition in this test.
www.gmriflebarrel.com/GMRBItem.aspx?Item=901946
Great content…
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Did you tighten with a torque wrench 🔧 for exact pounds? The take down effects the way it shoots. Plus dang that barrel just sticks out. Mine just barely out the front stock.
@@user-my5gj4me6q always use a torque wrench.
Cool video...seems like your point of impact moved down and right. What do you think that is ?
It did… I’ve had a few rifles do that, and I’ve seen it on other channels as well. I’m not sure to tell you the truth. And the groups stayed tight, I’m not crazy about the scope I was using, honestly it doesn’t focus very good. I’m going to send it in to Arken. I’m thinking I changed my aiming point without realizing it. That’s the only thing that makes sense to me.
What is the length of the barrel? Looks about 30 inches.
Great info. I'm a 10//22 nut case . Will the Brownell fit a Kidd action? 10/22's are real fussy about the magazines. Try your group using the best grouping mag or at least the same one. Also try loading only five or six and not firing the last round.
Another thing. I looked at the Brownell and can't tell if they have the firing pin captured or pinned. Do you know ? Very important!
@@susanball1311 it’s open. Not captured. I’ve had problems with them and light strikes. I was disappointed they shot the best. If the Kidd wouldn’t have gotten screwed by the ammo I think it’s group average would have been closer to the Brownells bolt. Faxon makes a hell of a nice bolt. Round captured firing pin. Super nice coating.
@@RimfireSS My best bolts have and are the Kidd. But they are magazine sensitive. I number all my magazines and keep a running record on them. With the wham bam of a semi, the bolt can be skinning the next round during extraction. Also the round being fed can be going in too high or low into the chamber and get skinned.
Be well and keep at it.
bill
pretty neat. You mention they all had different head spaces. Do you happen to know if for example the brownells are all .0465 or is there some margin of error where they vary? I'm guessing Kidd ones are pretty good on the tolerances.
Either way, pretty neat results 👍
Let me get back to you on that. I believe they are the same. I do have a couple I can measure.
So, the headspace on the Brownells bolts do very…. now depending where you measure it, it goes from .044 to .0465 seems there tooling wasn’t completely flat. I measured 8 of my bolts today and the two I tested in this video are the only ones with different headspace measurements. I’m sure all these manufacturers are going for .043 So I think these are out of spec…. Lol. After the testing I did today on 4 with the same headspace, they still all shot differently. I was doing some reading and apparently it has a lot to do with how the chamber was cut and what chamber is used. From what I can tell so far, certain bolts do match up better with certain barrels. I have done this test with all 4 of my GM barrels and everyone prefers the Brownells bolt. And by alot. At least with Lapua ammunition. This could get pretty complicated since there are so many different bolts being made by different manufacturers. All I can say is these are my results, yours may be different so take all this with a grain of salt.
Excellent info for us amateur shooters out here. Thank you.
Thanks for commenting.
Asking for a friend, but there appears to be no actual Ruger components in the 10/22 he is shooting, correct?
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If I have my preferred ammo selected for my intended purposes then I can set the headspace by faceing the backside of a factory barrel til the lead hit the lands then face the shoulder? Lap the barrel just a little bit for good measure and I might get myself into a sweet shooting rig without dumping $1k on parts.
You sure could if you have the equipment to do such a thing.
@@RimfireSS I’m a machinist, shouldn’t be too hard. I am obsessed with accuracy and trying not to have a $2000 squirrel gun.
@@RimfireSS Also, your channel is awesome. You know your way around guns and accuracy and explain it well. I am sure your experience will save me a lot of expensive trial and error. Thanks man.
In my original post I forgot to mention facing the bolt. My bad.
@@BillyBob-ft8ch I figured
Hey Don, got a question about your results. You said at the beginning of the video, the closest your headspace is to the rim thickness of the ammo you use, it should produce the greatest accuracy.
However, your measurements of the three different bolts, the Kidd should have been the closest to the SK ammo you were using. (Brownells - .0465, Stock-.0485, Kidd-.0435)
Am I missing something? Any idea why the Brownells did better? TIA.
Honestly the KIDD bolt got screwed by two rounds that measured in the 1080s causing a couple fliers that killed the group average. Without those 2 rounds the group average (while it probably wouldn’t have beat the Brownells bolt) it would have been alot closer to it. I would rather have a KIDD bolt then a Brownells any day. I’ve have problems with light strikes with those bolts. Installed Kidd bolts and the problem went away. I was in no way recommending any of these bolts, just that if your super serious about getting the absolute smallest groups possible, it wouldn’t hurt to have a few different bolts from different manufacturers to see if it would help group size and consistency. I’m doing more testing tomorrow with 4 different bolts with almost the same headspace to see if those shoot differently. There so many different factors at play here testing .22lr, inconsistent ammunition, out of spec parts, different types of chambers, different depth chamber reamers. None of this stuff is “to print” and when you start mixing and matching different manufacturers parts you never know what your gonna get. Lol, it’s a deep ass rabbit hole with no bottom.
Ihe light strikes are most likely due to the firing pin not being pinned or captured. Save some of the fired brass and give them a look. If the strikes are more to the outside of the rim, you will get a group spread. I have taken firing pins and ground them down to get the strike from the edge to center. Once you have good equipment ( It's the little things that make degrees of change). @@RimfireSS
Just asking if when you swapped magazines it looked like there was some deviation
@@MrGrendel65 there’s always some deviation when shooting .22. Probably more ammo related in my opinion. But I did this off camera a couple time with similar results, which was why I made the video.
It had good groups, but the groups were not consistent in their location. What is causing that? Location of groups should be consistent too?
I had a crosswind when I was shooting that video. That’s the only thing I could say that would cause a group to move.
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OK, what is the headspace measurement of each bolt???
Didn’t you watch the video? It’s there.
For this test did you sort the ammo by rim thickness to match each bolt?
Nope. That would defeat the whole idea of switching the bolt to see which one shot the ammo I was using better.
Thats good accuracy @50 for a semi-auto... right? Does it do as well at 100?
It’s not bad, it shoots around .73 or so at 100
I will get me a bolt from brownells
Great info...
What app were you using?
Digital Link for the Chronograph
I surface ground mine to .042
Did it make much of a difference?
@@RimfireSS hard to say yet. I need to test it with premium ammo. I am probably going to set the barrel back a bit too
Why does this have the same stench as measuring rim thickness on your .22LR ammo? Why is using a depth micrometer so hard to use? Most good depth mic's have an accuracy of +/- 0.001 of an inch; is it because you are using a dial caliber for your measurements?
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I probably should have demonstrated that in the video. Sometimes I forget people don’t know how to do this stuff. So the measurement is from the bolt face to the bottom of the recess that holds the round and the firing pin comes out and strikes the round. That measurement is your headspace. It’s kind of a pain in the butt to get the correct measurement. I’m going to do another video about this, I’ll demonstrate it on that video.).
How does head space differ on a bolt action rifle from a 10/22?
Not sure where your going with this your comment is all over the place. Headspace is headspace, only on the 10-22 you can’t just add barrel shims or shim the bolt to change it like on most bolt actions. It’s set in stone on the bolt you use, unless you have a mill or know someone who does.
The problem with shaving is when to stop. Once you shave past, you can't add it back!
Ain’t that the truth. Lol
Just get a welder.
Suppose you could measure the rim thicknesses and match the correct dimensioned rims to your bolt or buy a brand of ammunition with thicker rims??? Save buying a bolt or multiple bolts. Check this yourself by measuring the shell rims within a box of ammo or from brand to brand if you aren't aware of the different rim thicknesses.
We’ll of corse I’m aware of differing rim thickness. And if the same or the optimal ammunition was available at any given time, say SK or Lapua that would be a good point. But we all know that some manufacturers have a hard time keeping up with demand. Point of the video is for some reason, (and I don’t think headspace is the whole reason for why these bolts shoot differently) each bolt shoots differently. Is it a combination of ignition and headspace? Hard to tell but there’s definitely a difference in how these bolts shoot any ammunition regardless of there headspace. So why not try and find the best (optimal) bolt for your rifle that shoots all ammunition the best it possibly can.
how about the torgue settings also ?
You want my torque screw settings? I did a whole video on that maybe 6 months ago. And each rifle is different, my torque setting may not work on your rifle. Time to have some fun and test it for yourself.
@@RimfireSS yes on take down
@@jeffreymilosevich1957 I don’t have a take down. Get a torque wrench and start at 15 inlbs shoot a few groups then go to 20 shoot a few more groups then 25 and so on up to maybe 35inlbs. Whatever weight shot the best groups is your guns setting.
@@RimfireSS ok thank you for your help i appt it
What does the SS stsnd for in rimfireSS?
Possibly subsonic
That gun is not a 10 22 any more now with all different parts
Your absolutely right. It’s a 10/22 pattern rifle.
BallPark price of brownell bolt?
$90
@@RimfireSS thanks 👍👍
Did you weigh the bolts? May not be just headspace that is affecting accuracy...
@@tarasowell8191 you may be right, but after looking and measuring everything the only major difference (besides some design cues) was the headspace. I’m doing more testing tomorrow. Stay tuned.
@RimfireSS i was also wondering about width and height of the bolts tested. I shoot 10/22 in prs22. I have also been messing with improving accuracy a bunch. One thing i have noticed is when in battery the bolt still can move around a bunch. I have been thinking of a way to tighten things up around the bolt some. My rifle with a cst bolt with bolt hold open mod shots pretty consistent .3's and .2's with sk LR and my custom lothar walther barrel. At 200 yards i start printing 2 distinctive groups about an inch aprt from one another. I cant help but think the bolt movement is the culprit. Or possibly just SD's
Distance???? Please
if you took the time to watch the video, its listed in bright yellow before each group.....
From my experience, the best way to get the best accuracy out of a 10/22 is throw it away and get a marlin 60 and this video proves that. How much money is in that rifle?? It falls to shoot. 25 inch group at 50 yards!
Yeah it's pretty easy to say that, I'll admit but it's not hard to find videos of 22s that'll shoot 0.25 Inch group right out of the box.
I'd like to see one of those videos.
I was tickled plumb to death to see the 1991 10/22 shoot 3/8' at 50 yards, after Randy at CPC added 'machining the receiver front counterbore' to an abbreviated tune-up (since I'd added the Power Custom hammer and sear kit earlier), aligning the barrel and cast aluminum receiver, before shipping it back to be installed in a Hogue OM stock with a Nikon 4x32 'scope. Just as accurate as the original 1966 FN Browning T-Bolt with a Simmons 2-7x32 'scope. Sweet!
@@timvest8141virtually every cz rifle video. Sure you'll spend over $500 for one but they'll be more accurate than an out of the box 10/22 and you'll have more money in that 10/22 and likely never achieve the goal of being more accurate.
@@charlesbranch4120I have heard that you have to torque the screws just so to get great accuracy out of a 10/22 and it's not a specific torque ie all are different. I don't know, I gave mine away before I heard that. If I have to spend a single dime after paying for a rifle to make it accurate, it's a POS in my book. Maybe I just got a lemon but when I bought mine, years ago, you could almost buy 2 marlin 60s. I have 3 marlin 60s and everyone of them only needed the right ammo and everyone of them were more accurate than the only ruger I would ever buy
@@justanobserver530 bullshit. I watch tons of videos. There are basically zero factory rifles that will shoot consistently 1/4 groups out of the box.
It’s amazing how much people will do to make 22LR into something it’s NOT… 😮
Relax…. It’s a hobby. Nothing more. You do you, we’ll do us.
That’s not a 10 22. So stop saying it is. 😡Why don’t you use a normal one to prove your point. 😮Not everybody is rich enough to buy something like that😮
Ahhhh. This is not a expensive rifle. And it is a 10/22 Pattern rifle, same principles apply.
@@shannonfritsch6647 like I said everybody is not rich like you and ca afford all that fancy stuff
@@shannonfritsch6647 ok I’m sorry forgive me . I’m just used to seeing people flaunt their money on TH-cam some live in housing projects and have thousands of dollars in guns
That whispering that's in your video after each shot is kind of creepy
Ummmmm….. what? Lol