Julia Hartley-Brewer clashes with Lib Dem MP over transwomen in women's prisons
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ม.ค. 2023
- The Scottish Tories have called on the First Minister to make a statement to Holyrood to clarify government policy on transgender prisoners.
The issue has been in the spotlight since last week when transgender double rapist Isla Bryson, 31, was remanded to a segregation unit at Cornton Vale prison near Stirling - Scotland’s lone women-only facility.
The Scottish Prison Service (SPS) took the decision to move Bryson to another prison on Thursday, following public outcry and the concerns of the First Minister being communicated to officials - although Ms Sturgeon said there was no formal direction given by her to make the change.
Over the weekend, the row continued when reports emerged that Tiffany Scott - who had been convicted of stalking a 13-year-old girl before her transition - would be sent to a female unit, reports which were denied by Justice Secretary Keith Brown.
On Sunday, Mr Brown announced a pause to transgender prisoners with convictions for violence against women being moved to the female estate, along with an urgent review of the handling of the Bryson case.
Scottish Tory community safety spokesman Russell Findlay called on the First Minister to make a statement to MSPs this week, adding that his party would seek to amend justice reform legislation being brought to parliament by the government to make the pause permanent.#talktv #talkradio
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A Man Is A MAN...And A Woman Is A WOMAN...Let's STOP THIS NONSENCE!!!
Yes
Nonce-sense.
make this trans lunacy illegal
@@MarcoNegrisEye Hooray! Brass Eye.
Look up Dr John Money creator of gender ideology.
Can't believe they are even discussing whether men should be housed in womens prisons. I don't care if a man has been convicted of shoplifting, he shouldn't be housed in a womens prison FULL STOP!
I know sue its not even an argument but we live in an idiotic world now im afraid
I completely agree. People who disagree are honestly so dangerous not to mention unhinged.
Exactly!!!
Sue - You said FULL STOP - So why put an Exclamation Mark after that?...... A full stop is "."
@@topcat1358 That's the way she wants to do it what's it to you! Stick to the subject in hand.
I'm Scottish, I'm embarrassed by Scottish governance writhingly trying to justify their virtue signalling on this gender nonsense!
I'm Scottish too and have no idea where she is taking our country - it really is a sad world we live in today.
@@Tondaloona03 I’ve always found English people to be even handed and approachable and perfectly lovely human beings and I’ve voted SNP since 1988. But this is the end. I’m not voting for them anymore. In fact I’ve come to the conclusion that Scots need saving from themselves. In fact I’ve just spent the last hour looking at jobs in England.
I’m English but I live in Scotland. Part of me hopes that this is the beginning of end for the snp and their authoritarian wokeness but I fear she’ll somehow find a way to blame the English and use that to manipulate the emotions of Scotland to continue to vote for her. That seems to be her playbook so far. Maybe eventually Scotland will realise she doesn’t have their best interest at heart.
Me too
It's not the Scottish people's fault, it's the government that's to blame for doing this to Scotland. Scottish people don't deserve what Sturgeon is doing.
It doesn't matter what you want to be. You are what you are. There is only two sexes and anything else is mental health.
@Strings72 guilty of telling the inconvenient uncomfortable truth.
Could not have put it any better
A man in a dress is a transvestite nothing else. I was born with XX chromosomes that makes me a woman. A man is born with XY chromosomes and wearing a wig and a dress doesn’t change that
@Strings72 to hell with them. It’s time they were taught a hard lesson.
Exactly, i dont know about you,but I'm totally peed off being told what I'm supposed to think.
This is why the world is so twisted because of people like her.
Isn't it odd how those defending this madness can never give a straight answer. If you firmly believed in something.., you'd say so surely? They are truly pathetic. Thanks again Julia.
She's dug herself in deeper with every word. Thanks for showing this "debate " up for what it is - ludicrous. "Tanswomen" are men. Otherwise they'd be women.
How have we ended up with people thinking its ok to put a man in prison with a woman crazy world
Risk assessment.
Yes he's a man.
Put him in the male estate.
How do people like this get to become MP’s?…. Hopefully at the next election she will be another person removed from her seat. So scared of upsetting a few despite the masses seeing this for what it is.
Because they are puppets, they are not actually in charge. They just work as scapegoats and script readers. They get paid loads of money and bonuses for lying to the idiots that believe everything that comes at them.
Because unfortunately very few normal people run for politics. And when they do the established cogs and gears do everything they can to prevent them getting elected.
Why are people pretending a man can be a woman
They actually go on tv and lie 😂
She doesn’t believe what she is saying
Nobody does for goodness sake
It’s insane 😂
Yh well there use to be just 1 race...things change
@@jadebel7006 Groomer spotted.
@@jadebel7006 what race was that ? Things don't change ; there will always be perverts
@@jadebel7006
Weirdo alert
You are correct, it is absolute insanity and unbelievable that we find ourselves in this bizarre age where the unthinkable is being talked about as if it
Keep up the good work exposing these utterly delusional politicians.
It doesn't matter what crime a man committed, and wether they think he is safe to go into a womans prison. A woman should never be in a cell with a man. There is no privacy and any man that is exposed to being alone with a woman can eventually take advantage of that.
I just dont understand why the feelings of a few mentally disturbed men override the safety and the anxiety things like this cause to millions of women.
If that's not male privilege I dont know what is.
You think one man being put into an all females prison is a danger to the women. I agree it's ridiculous. But let's not pretend that hundreds of sexually oppressed females are no match for one tiny man. Stop making your whole comment about a DANGER to women, and just focus on the privacy issues instead maybe.. Some women are also sexually violent, especially ones in prison with no men.
Exactly. The demands and fetishes of males who impersonate women come before the basic rights of women.
Bang on.
We have to stop having these ridiculous discussions about “gender” it’s men and women that’s it, not complicated !!!
HAVING CHRISTINE JARDINE ON WAS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME MEN IN PRISON WITH WOMEN THE ANSWERS NOOOO
Jeez, this just really starts to wind me up!!
What are they going to advocate for next? Pedophiles who identify as not being Pedophiles anymore should be allowed to teach kids?
spot on
Aren’t they already? MAPS 🤢🤢🤮
Not transwomen but men
Yh well there use to be just 1 race...things change
@@jadebel7006 yes human race male female no iffs no buts
@@JavaAndroid Jade's a Groomer defender.
Groomer.
In the run up to future elections, anyone who is standing for election should have to make their opinions known on this matter. It would be interesting to see how many people like her get voted in.
There is something seriously wrong with people who can't change their view when given clear evidence.
It's gonna get messy when peados start identifying as children and want to be put in juvenile prisons.
There should be no argument over this. It should never happen.
Julia, thank you for being a voice of reason,it's so bizarre that she even thinks it's a debate, keep up the good work.
Keep up the good work Julia, the country needs you 😊
Are they going to have a risk assessment every time a man in a dress enters a female toilet or changing room? What a lot of waffle these politicians talk.
I am embarrassed to be Scottish when I listen to Scottish politicians. Sturgeon has never done a good thing in her life.
@Ann..I thought Sunaks government was bad, but Sturgeon goes way beyond terrible...I can think of words unprintable ...I feel sorry for the kids at school being brainwashed into this trans NONCE sence....Hopefully the Scottish public show their distaste by voting them out ASAP
Male prisoners in women's prisons - NO, NOT EVER.
Love how she trys to go off screen when it gets a bit tough 🤣🤣🤣
Yes I noticed that
I thought you gave up your rights once you are convicted
But not the right to be kept safe.
I am a gay man and I think this whole situation is gone out of their minds. Why would anyone think it is acceptable to house men who say they are women in a women's prison. Why do you need a risk assessment surely common sense needs to apply? I am shocked that people think that trans women and people who identify as women are actual women. Do you notice all these gay men that say trans women are real women when they are looking for a surrogate not sure how far they would get as they obviously want a real woman? Do not think that all gay people go along with this nonsense as most normal ones don't.
So do the paperwork and they become a woman. So paperwork becomes more important than the safety of biological women. Absolutely insane!
I'm from Scotland and I'm so pissed off at the SNP for this, and I'd normally vote for them
The only thing heeping women's rights alive in Scotland is the fact that they are part of the union.
Vote SNP;? I hope you get better soon 😵💫!
How hard can it be? Just sort them out by their actual parts, anything else is insanity
As soon as we agreed that "gender" is anything except social biases and subjective perceptions, we agreed that a woman is anyone who wants to call themselves a woman. Which means the word "woman" is nothing but a collection of sexist stereotypes. Gender stereotypes are exactly what feminists have been fighting against from the beginning, and now a woman is nothing but gender stereotypes.
Would they put a Woman identifying as a "Transman" in a Men's Prison ?
Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.
No they wouldn’t.
Perhaps they ought to, then we might see what’s what….
Unfortunately though I don’t believe that as many women identifying as men commit crimes and get convicted as the other way round.
Scotland needs to wake up to this lark.
Where do they find these idiots who reckon that if you call yourself something you obviously are not that the rest of us should have to agree to this lunacy ?
The heart of the matter is that these people with a mental illness, that believe they are something that they are not, are treated differently, because somehow, (love it if someone could explain why!) they have the right delusions!
It's a mad mad mad mad mad world
Let's settle it, lock Jardine and Sturgeon up in a MALE prison for a few months and see how they get on!
Terrible example. Even the incarcerated male would rather use his hand.
@@MarcoNegrisEye LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
@@MarcoNegrisEye love it
Not after 20.pints ! Perish the thought!!
They’re both perfectly safe!
A man Xy chromosomes and they have trillions of encoded male cells
A women Xx chromosomes and they have trillions of encoded female cells
Identify whatever way you want but you cannot change facts. Why the confusion with these MP’s, it’s unbelievable
You are bang on the money again Julia!
It is difficult to refrain from becoming tribal about this - especially when that Lib Dem MP (and Nicola Sturgeon) are being dishonest about the fact that Transwomen are not women. It's not helping.
Genuine people who suffer from gender dysphoria should be treated sensitively with professional counselling. Whenever I listen to Transwomen, they seem to all want validation by going into women spaces and doing women only activities with women present; therefore, I think, they need counselling; we should not sacrifice biological women's safety because of men's this desire/compulsion to be a woman by being around women. I don't think it is healthy for women to be subjected to that.
Transwomen that have had the surgery shouldn't be in the female estate because they can assault a woman in other ways, he can forcibly kiss her and touch her; he can simply overpower her
Transwomen that have committed non-voilent offences shouldn't go into women's prison either for the same reason and also because men are stronger than women, they will bully, intimidate and harass the women there, especially if they are attracted to a particular woman there. The dynamics in women's prisons will change because a man is there. Also, what about the safety of the female prison officers if they have to manage a physically stronger man, they may be in danger of rape themselves. What about Muslim women in jail, how is that going to work out.
They really didn't think this through - none of them, including England; I notice that Wales has shut up about it now that this fiasco is unraveling.
If it is indeed done on a case by case basis, then exactly how many 'non-trans women' with histories of sexual violence are placed in male prisons? I'd hazard a guess the answer is none. Because the only reason why you'd be put in a male prison is if you are male.
Two prisons ............ nob prison ..... no nob prison ............ simple(and honest)
Time is running out for us to retain some semblence of normality before this country is tipped over the edge into a violent dystopia.
Stand up to this crap now!
There are men and women. NO DISCUSSION
Perhaps Christine Jardine would like to experience sharing a prison cell with a man, sharing toilet facilities and showers. The women in prison are vulnerable and on the whole not able to do anything about being locked in with a male stranger overnight. Disgraceful in this day and age.
Well said Julia! 👏👏👏
This is a country that’s batters Mars bars!
as a woman i want a risk assessment on 'trans' women entering any woman's space
A simple NO is better
Let's do an individual risk assessment to see if the SNP visitors to the zoo can go for a walk in the lion enclosure. I'll sell the popcorn.
Women who are in prison generally have had very tough lives, often being victims of domestic abuse, sexual assaults etc and for me putting a biological man who is anatomically intact who has also committed rape and sexual assault against women who suddenly identifies as a woman only after being charged is utterly compromising those vulnerable women's welfare.
It goes against the the BASIC duty a government is supposed to undertake and that is the protection of its citizens, in this case some of it's most vulnerable.
Insane. You don’t need a risk assessment just a tiny bit of common sense
The MP did not answer Julia’s question throughout. She avoided it by repeating issues around risk assessment only.
This MP is engaging in double-speak. In her mind it's okay to put a man, who self-ids as a woman, in a woman's prison if he is not accused of a sexual crime. Why are we putting any Males/Men in the Women's prison? It is always a safety issue for the Females in the prison.
Remember 15 minutes ago when the answer to this was as clear as day
Nobody would touch Christine with theirs so she's not in any danger, so therefore doesn't care.
not the point
?? What’s that go to do with anything?
C’mon tae eff mate. Who are you? Brad Pitt?
This is the question that all the women voters should ask candidates when they are canvassing at the next election and they should make sure that they record them as they do it😂
How strange, that politician couldn't answer a simple question with a simple answer... how very strange
They just can’t bring themselves to face the reality that men can’t magically turn into women. You can call yourself a “trans woman” but you’re not a woman.
Typical politician. Would not answer the question.
Asking a politician a straight question that requires a straight answer is like asking a crocodile to read War and Peace to you in spanish.
It might liven the book club up a bit
The question is being confused by the crime, because a women (adult female) who’s committed a serious sexual offence, assault, or murder against a woman would be in a women’s prison.
Men (adult male) should only ever be in a men’s prison, regardless of what they’re convicted.
What happens if a guilty male or female then identify as an innocent male or female? Is it risk assessed? Do we just let them off?
Risk assessment??...who are the people who do that job?
How can WOMEN defend this - unbelievable.
Risk assessments fail dismally though dont they?
Some people can not answer a straight forward question
She’s just parroting the fish woman. There is never a reason for a man to be placed in a woman’s prison whether he is wearing a dress and a wig or not.
The issue in Scotland is this men shouldn’t be in a cell or a jail with women.
The only thing i know is, MP's brains are very thick indeed.
The Hansard records should be aired in their entirety on primetime tv with in-depth discussion. The GRA was acknowledged as "bad law" from the start, all the very obvious hazzards & dangers to women were known from the get go but the MPs reckoned the tiny number - about 3,000 were expected - was too small to have a noticible impact on society in general & women in particular. Hindsight is a great thing.
The GRA was only deemed necessary at all to comply with a Human Rights ruling regarding what would in effect be a ban on same-sex marriage, before that was legal in the UK.
The GRA is a redundant piece of legislation. It is a legal fiction only, & a man with a GRC is simply a man with a piece of paper, he is not & never can be a woman.
Women AND VAST NUMBERS OF MEN are sick to death of this dangerous nonsense. It all has to end. Now. We will only deal with & acknowledge scientific biological FACT, not legal fictions.
Let's get back to using the word "TRANSVESTITE"
Dangly bits Mans Prison, no Dangly bits Women's Prison
Obviously she does not care about women's rights
Risk assessment, here’s how you assess if they have a dcik not a chick so to male prison you go, are politicians just thick?
And she gets paid by the taxpayer? Vote her out, waste of space.
Using 500 words in order to avoid committing to a yes or no answer.
SNP have lost the plot and they know it.
Who votes for these incompetent people?
incompetent voters red or blue same old same
I was listening to a few transgender people on the radio the other day, and even they thought it was ridiculous that Isla Bryson was put into a prison with women. I know Nicola Sturgeon will not say she regrets this but I guarantee she does.
What a state of affairs! Two human species born on this planet male and female end of.
Surely no one would vote SNP ort Liberal now?
Another useless MSP!
She just will not answer the question.
As it’s a tiny number build a small prison , to hold trans prisoners, problem solved 🙈
One cell for ALL!
Correct!!
Like a travel lodge, but not quite as grim.
Trouble is, if you did that, all male prisoners would suddenly identify as female!
But then media wouldn't be able to keep making money off of h*ting on us would they?
also, why is the risk assessment more important than the women who are at risk? why is women's safety never at the forefront of this issue?
Risk assessment?? Keep all men away from women's prisons. lol I have genuine concerns about MEN being able to potentially go into women's spaces because their name is now Nancy or whatever.
FFS - A MAN IS CONVICTED OF RAPE. DO YOU NEED A RISK ASSESSMENT??? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE????
Clearly paperwork is more important than the people.
A Nationalist government in full charge of Scotland 🫣 imagine what they'll inflict on you guys. I say stay 🇬🇧
It doesn’t matter what the subject matter is !! This lot don’t want anyone challenging anyone !! A migrant male states he’s a child ,, and immediately that’s accepted ,, and off to school he goes ?
And can a person who is in jail for a non voilent crime commit one for the first time inside prison? Or is that impossible?
Christine Christine Christine . Grow up , take responsibility, be accountable ,have some integrity and humility !
I warned family and friends about what is coming to Scotland.
I was laughed at
they are all so scared to get the JK treatment from the twitter mob
Do not put MEN in women’s prisons end of this is madness I am totally fed up of this
They are happy to risk a womans life on their ideas but they refuse to answer a simple question on their ideas...
How can anyone believe that they were born on the wrong body when they have no objective experience to compare it to.
No man should be put in a women's prison, no matter how he identifies. So sick of these lies about sex.
Risk assessment........they’re going to jail and they belong in the prison of their biological sex, it’s not a holiday camp.
I'm so angry at people like her who facilitate this madness. I really believe that politicians like her should be arrested and charged for their crimes against the public that they are supposed to serve.