57:23 okay i see now what i missed. I originally didn’t realise the show started right when MoM finished (like in the universe’s timeline). So when Wanda “died” her spell was starting to lose its power over Agatha. Maybe that’s why it was also so easy for Billy to break the spell. It was already on its way out. My bad for not putting two and two together. Anyways hope you all enjoyed these reactions. I had such a good time reacting to this show! It’s been fun xx Also also omg it just occured to me that when Rio said that Billy is not Agatha’s son she probably meant it in a more metaphorical way. How Agatha shouldn’t sacrifice everything for him and should just let him go. I wonder if Agatha had kissed Rio then and there would she have died as well? (I’m writing this part later. I just rewatched ep 1 and Rio told Agatha she should take her power and Agatha said that that would kill her. So no she could have kissed Rio in ep 4 and been fine. She only died in ep 8 because with that kiss she took her power) Then it could make sense for Rio to want to talk her out of it so she can take Billy instead. Dude i’m never gonna be able to untangle all the nuances this show threw at me. It’s bloody brilliant!! Also also also the more i’m editing the more i realise how desperately i need an Agatha Rio spin off. I need to watch them fall in love and go through their cat and mouse life together. I don’t even care if the plot is mid. Their chemistry and angst in undeniable and i would be sat for a show just about them. It could go so hard! Feed me Marvel!!!
The showrunners have said that at one point the script for the last ep showed Agatha and Rio maybe meeting, and living in a little cottage together. Ultimately they realized that the Nicky storyline was the most important one for this show. And ok yes twist my arm I agree…… but I hope we get some adorable dark cottage core queer AgaDeath scenes in the future!!!
Well, while I can't direct you to more Rio, Aubrey Plaza is in *Legion (2017 - 2019)* which is an X-Men television series. So, not the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but still Marvel. And she is one of the best things about the show. I very much recommend watching Legion.
I was really, really impressed that you called Nicholas Scratch being Agatha and Rio's baby! The showrunners have revealed that they had no idea that people were going to be as invested in Agatha and Rio's relationship as they were. Part of the backstory we're never shown is how they met in Agatha's Salem days, probably in her initial pursuit of magick and power, and then ran away together after Agatha killed her coven and escaped. The cabin in "Darkest Hour, Wake Thy Power" is meant to be a mimicry of the cabin in the woods they shared together. They were going to put part of this in "Maiden Mother Crone", but cut it from the final script for time. Also, the end of "Follow Me My Friend, to Glory at the End" was apparently scripted differently in the lead-up to Agatha's kiss with Death, according to Joe Locke, so that was going to be even more emotional than it already was. It helped that Kathryn Hahn and Aubrey Plaza had such firework chemistry together! One of the best/worst things about this series is that they really stayed true to Agatha Harkness being a villain. She has a heart, she has her own weird moral compass, and there are people that she cares about, but at the end of the day she is, as Jenn states, a 'noted serial killer'. You end up really caring about Agatha by the end of this series, and can't help but be kind of into the "Agatha Through Time" version of the The Ballad even though you know you're watching covens of completely innocent witches being slaughtered as she cackles. The one truly unanswered question we have is, why did Agatha hunt witches like that? My guess is that after what went down between her and her mother and the Salem coven, Agatha decided she could never be accepted with her succubus powers and decided to attack before she could be attacked. We know she did eventually get the Darkhold in order to hide from Death and grow powerful enough to maybe attack Death herself, as she (unfairly) lays the blame of Nicky's death at Rio's feet. The big tragedy, I think, is her monologue to Nicky during their "lesson" in the woods: "I cannot heal you, I cannot protect you, and I cannot divine when She will return". Nicholas Scratch is constantly mentioned by others as sickly and frail. He was always living on borrowed time. But what would have happened if Agatha had had a coven? Jennifer Kale, a Potions witch, could have healed him. Alice Gulliver-Wu, a Protection witch, could have protected him. And Lilia Calderu, a Divination witch, might have been able to foresee Nicholas's final illness. The cruel irony to Agatha's actions is that if she had actually formed a real coven with witches that she actually trusted and would have her back, mastering all the different kinds of magick, she might have actually been able to extend Nicholas's short life. Lilia's maestra states "a witch needs a coven", and Lilia is the one who met Death calmly and as a friend once she'd embraced hers. If Agatha hadn't killed all those witches for power, she might have actually saved her son.
I agree with a lot of what you have to say about the reasons for Agatha's pattern of being covenless and killing other witches. I doubt, though, that simply having a coven would have saved Nicky. He was fated to die at birth and only lived for six years because Rio gave Agatha "special treatment." I think she likely went after the Darkhold because she's drawn to power. It's one of things she finds attractive about Rio.
I freaking loved this set of episodes so much. Lilia shattered my heart with her sacrifice (Patti's intonation on her "I loved being a witch" line broke me), and getting the backstory between Agatha and Nicky's "creation" of the Road was wild. I saw an interview in which Jac Schaefer explained that part of the reason Agatha kept killing with "The Road" ruse after Nicky's death was as a way to keep reliving the time she'd had with him. Which is heartbreaking all over again, because it's also that guilt/shame over the constant killing throughout the years that's keeping Agatha from feeling she can go to him, even now. This was such a good show. Jen's survival, the Wiccan reveal, Tommy's setup, Aubrey's Lady Death persona ... my God(dess), everyone who worked on this just nailed it.
40:07 She didn't mean that she created him in a magical sense she says "I didn't say any spell or incantation, I created you from scratch" she meant that she meant that he was the first thing she created without Magic
@@EdolasMystogan That’s absolute rubbish. The showrunners and writers confirmed Nicky’s father’s a normal man, and that they wrote his story, but decided for time and to keep the story concise, to remove it. Rio/Death is unable to give anything life. It’s not in her nature. Death is only about entropy. Stop making things up.
@@arc7375 I saw an interview with Agatha and I could have sworn she said they didn't need men to procreate, which makes it sound like that baby was made from scratch
49:25 In episode 8 Agatha told Rio that when she died she didn't want to see her face, so when Agatha died she became a ghost, there's also the issue of wanting to go, Despite not wanting to be dead, Alice accepted and went with Rio, Agatha didn't.
My thought is that Billy had Tommy’s soul with him the entire time, where Billy was the conscious one, but Tommy was in there somewhere. I don’t know if that’s true or not but that’s the first thing I thought of when I watched the episode.
it would be the simplest explanation for why Wanda could not sense either of them in MoM. Billy was covered by Lilia's sigil, and Tommy was "asleep" held safely inside Billy's soul so...
I thought that was pretty clear! Agatha says that Billy can’t keep Tommy with him… implying that he HAD been with him before. And this would explain why Wanda couldn’t find him either, he was being kept with Billy, who was hidden by Lilia’s sigil.
it's so funny to me that since "Buffy" exists in the MCU, Sarah Proctor must be constantly getting mistaken for Emma Caulfield. Also Clint Barton must be amused to hear there was an actor on "Angel" that played a vampire and looks EXACTLY like him. and Phil Coulson's girlfriend is a dead ringer for Amy Acker.
@@MrDWinter In this universe they do because both are fictional. In that universe they don’t because Buffy is fictional and the MCU isn’t. So unless they get roles in something like Avengers the musical or whatever other media gets produced about then, they won’t get the credits.
@@MrDWinter Something I didn’t consider is Last Action Hero rules. A kid got sucked into a Schwarzenegger movie and inside the movie Sylvester Stallone played the Terminator. So while roles for MCU actors may exist in the MCU Buffyverse, they may not be played by the same actors in the MCU.
@@zemoxian I think differently. In the MCU, Buffy Summers is fictional like she is here. But that's clearly Sarah Michelle Gellar's face on the "Once More with Feeling" poster in Billy's room, so in the MCU SMG is a real actress playing a fictional character - just like she is here. in the MCU, she (and presumably the rest of the cast, including Emma Caulfield) are real actors.
Rio says in ep 1, “This is really how you see yourself?” So I think that as Wanda’s spell deteriorated, the crime show really did come from Agatha’s head! 😂
the things that agatha was telling to her son was the power of the other witches, like, she said I can't protect you (that's alice's power as she is a protection witch), she said I can't heal you (that's jennifer's power) and lastly she said I can't save you from what's coming (divination kinda thing, like lilia).
I thought the Agnes of Westview was somehow triggered by Wanda’s apparent death. May the spell weakened or something. Like something tickling her subconscious about Wanda and the Darkhold and so on.
The procedural drama was an effect of Wanda’s spell going wonky after she died. Up until Wanda died Agnes had been living a much more controlled existence in Westview, but once Wanda was gone the spell went sideways until the combo of Teen and Rio broke her out of it completely.
Her death makes me cry to this day! She deserved the world!! And her last words were what she wanted to tell Wanda while she was choking her husband. Truly the most tragic character!! 😭😭
Billy doesn't remember anything from Wandavision. Mama Kaplan is the only mother he has known. Outside that one memory he has nothing. Also combined what Wanda did from an outsider pov, she looks like a psycho witch. Also he went home because honestly he loves his newfound parents alot now.
Yes. Even if he did have Billy's memories, Wanda was his mum for like three days, compared to three years he has been effectively the son of the Kaplans. Billy or William, he has been a Kaplan for the overwhelmingly vast majority of his life.
@@DEGriffSoc Yes, I feel like with only 3 days in the hex while as William (which is by interestingly actual name as well) Billy wasn't a person, he built with the family he has now. I feel there's not that much difference William Maximoff and William Kaplan.
If death were a person in real life, she would be a villain in so many lives. Yet, death is nothing but the ultimate truth. Everyone has to face it when their time comes. The character of death is so intriguing. I mean Agatha loves death, but she never wanted 'death'. Crazy!
Lilia saved the members of the Harkness coven more times than people realize. the first time being when she stopped Agatha from riling the witches up to attack her. this show has so many layers and i love it so-so-so much.
That's one of the reasons i didn't like the twist a lot. If that was her plan, why would she tell Lilia the way her power works when she met her? Especially since it's implied it's a big secret?
I always knew that this was “Billy’s” road because i saw people make connections that everything on the road was inspired by his room. But I thought that just meant that the road gets customized to the psyche of whoever the main traveler is. I had NO clue it meant that the road never existed at all, and I looooove that twist. There is a third show, called White Vision or something, that’s supposed to round out a trilogy of these three shows. I love Paul Bethany but all I want right now is more Billy and Agatha.
The show is called Visionquest and we still don’t know if it’s actually the third of the “trilogy” because it’s not directed by Jac Schaefer and there’s no plot details released yet. Still hoping that if it’s the finale, it’s as amazing as the other two. 🤞🏽
I'm glad you enjoyed the twists, me and everyone else on twitter knew about rio already because the funko pop figures leaked and rio's real identity was written all over it 😅
There was supposed to be more background story to Agatha and Rio but it was cut since they didnt predict people would be so into the whole Rio x Agatha thing. Apparently they lived in some cottage together, and also it was Rio's Life magic that created Nicky from "scratch".
@@giuliaciccarello7269 are you on drugs? the showrunners specifically said they found an actor who looked like aubrey because he was rio's kid. get over yourself
As the episode begins and you hear the melancholy cello as Lilia falls, you can clearly hear that it’s Christophe Beck behind the music. This piece sounds exactly like something he’d compose to play as Buffy is about to prepare for a battle with a Big Bad, or Angel is having a flashback to his time as Angelus.
Agatha all along was a fantastic spin off from WandaVision. Most of us didn't see the obvious from the start - that reality was being distorted by someone or something. It genuinely came as a shock to me when it was revealed. Each plot point was expertly revealed. Lilia was a standout character for me, but every single actor slayed their roles. There's not a single weak character for me. Everyone had a purpose and fleshed out story - a massive feat considering how hard it is to balance this many characters and do each one justice, but they managed to do it flawlessly. Nickys story was heartbreaking and while, again, I didn't see the twist coming and assumed Agatha had played a part and traded him for the Darkhold. It made the truth even more painful to watch. 😢 After rewatching with you, I did notice something I didn't before - in episode 5 - when dealing with Evanora, Rio states "I hate Ghosts", and Agatha becomes a ghost in episode 9. I took that as ghosts being outside the jurisdiction of Death as they are already dead and can't be claimed like souls. So Death is powerless when it comes to Ghosts???? Meaning Agatha is beyond Deaths grip.... Kathryn Hahn, Joe Locke, Patti LuPone, Aubrey Plaza, Sasheer Zamata, Ali Ahn and Debra Jo Rupp gave 100% and it made for an amazing series!!!
Lilia knowing what will come for Billy, she put the sigil on him, hiding him from witches, having Wanda not finding her children and therefor starting the search across the multiverse. Lilia is kinda responsible for Multiverse of Madness.
Wanda was already under the darkohold spell. Why do people want to take responsibility for what she did. I didn't like Mom, but why would you think Wanda would have reacted so lovingly and non violent about th whole thing? She did what she did
So on the subject of another season when submitting this show for 2025 awards (Emmys, SAG, Golden Globes etc…) Marvel Television Studios submitted it as a “Comedy series” and not as a miniseries, which strongly suggests that they have plans for more.
There was no intention to have any second season of AAA. Wiccan (Billy) was always intended to join Ms Marvel, Hawkeye, Cassie Lang etc for a Young Avengers project. Now, because of the incredible fan response Kevin Feige announced there WILL be a follow up project from AAA. As for the crime drama at the start... I think after Wanda died, Agatha's mind knew SOMETHING had changed, and her subconscious warped her "reality" into a detective show, so she would start asking more questions. The destruction of the Darkhold was what allowed Rio to finally find Agatha. Until then the dark magic of it was still hiding her from her "enemies"
Sharon's death was on Agatha too. She invited her to join them just to avoid possibly having to ask Rio, who she thought was the black heart. So yea, it was in fact Agatha's fault.
@@2sam2furious45 Agreed. It was Agatha's fault. But actually I think we kind of get the clue that the black heart wasn't Rio but Billy because on ep 6 we see that his bf calls him his "black heart" so he was always part of the coven. This makes even more sense since Rio got to the road after Sharon's death, meaning where there was a body to go to and not before.
Remember Agatha said they didn't need a green witch. 😂. It was the other witches (especially Jen) that forced her to get one, and Agatha thought of Mrs Heart/Davis. So its Jen's fault Mrs Davis came alongm
I could be wrong but I thought the 'crime procedural' was Agatha's minds way of trying to clear it's way through Wanda's spell now that she's gone. The residual effects are there, but she has to kind of figure out what happened to break free. She subconsciously kinda twisted the spell, like Wanda subconsciously created the original one.
I watched this a day after arcane 2x6 so i was very much so emotionally compromised going into this and yeah these three eps really hurt my heart. But my god what an amazing show this was!
agatha used her powers to siphon rio's powers which she knew would kill her. any normal kiss between them would be fine but she intentionally tried to siphon her powers so that's why she died. kiss of death being very very literal here lol
I love your reactions. You make me laugh and your react the same way I do. - "Yeah, I know. You looked so good in the previous trial, and the trials before, and now you're wearing this drab?" The showrunners said that this was because the Road is a reflection of Billy's subconscious state. At that point, he's stressed and isn't enjoying costuming and rich soundscapes. - "Her face. She's like, 'Oh Fuck! Mini-Wanda is here.' Don't look at me, girl." That reaction cracked me up. - What the Ballad means. Jac Schaeffer was talking in an interview that "...when she says, 'The Ballad didn’t mean anything, it never did,' there’s a lovely moment that Kathryn gave where she looks to the camera to convey that she’s lying, that the Ballad means everything to her, but for reasons Billy could never understand or imagine. We cut it, because it didn’t work in the larger catharsis of the later moment..." I would love to see how Kathryn Hahn conveyed that.
Ever since Sharon died, I had kept some hope that she would come back. Then Alice and Lilia died and that hope dwindled. If the show were to have any stakes, death shouldn’t be so easily averted. Then there’s Rio aka Death there to keep the balance and make sure the dead get to where they’re supposed to be going. Bringing them back would definitely be crossing a line she would not allow to be crossed. So, after it was over, I realized the deaths had to stay the way they were. I saw a review where someone was really upset by the deaths to the point that they couldn’t like the show. In the comments someone mentioned that this was a show about death. (I’ve also heard elsewhere that it’s also a show about grieving and generational trauma. So maybe it’s just a major theme.) Thinking back, I can’t think of a major character that hasn’t died on the show except 2. Every other character has died: Nicky, Billy, Tommy, William, Sharon, Alice, the Salem Seven, Lilia, Tommy’s new body, and Agatha. Jen made it through the trials and unbound herself. So, she didn’t die yet. Rio actually IS death and as an eternal fact of nature that can’t die, she didn’t either.
He still has no memories of Westview. He has no memories of Wanda being his mother. Of course he would think of Rebecca Kaplan as his ‘mom’, and not Wanda. I’m not sure why that surprises so many people. This is probably an unpopular opinion, but Wanda, to me, is no longer a sympathetic character. Maybe that’s the MCU doing her character wrong, but she hurt way too many people. I’m actually going to be a little upset if at some point it’s just her two kids running into her arms and everything is great. She put Billy and Tommy through a lot , and she has a lot to answer for.
I think Wanda is still sympathetic, but she isn't that sympathetic anymore either. I think Billy and Tommy really, really, really deserved better. Her being mother their mother just put them in danger. I do understand her. But I also want to be held accountable. She is willing to hurt kill another version of herself to steal her children. Also she didn't look for her own kids. I know Lilia's sigil was blocking her from Billy, but still, she didn't resort to stealing her aren't technically hers. Honestly Lilia the right, putting sigil on Billy that going to keep psycho mama from corrupting him. While Agatha is much more evil than Wanda, I don't think she would put Billy in such great at all.
@ honestly love this show for the fact that these characters are so well written. Agatha is no ‘good guy’, for sure, but by the end you do have a certain amount of sympathy for her. You learn that she was a loving mother who would never have given up her child for the Darkhold. However, she did something terrible that she is now ashamed of - turning the song she and Nicky wrote together into a tool for mass murder. I really really love this show.
@@jcs1025 IDK if this is. Billy has three maternal figures that represent maiden, mother, crone. Maiden = Wanda: I wouldn't call Wanda a mom, but she did love Billy and Tommy Mother = Rebecca/Mama Kaplan: I feel since nothing really different from Billy to William, Rebecca and Jeff would accept. Honestly if Billy at least gains William's last day, he gonna much how much his mother loves him. Crone = Agatha: Agatha has always fond of Billy since they first back in Wandavision. There's some signs there was genuine care because Billy was like her son. This fondness carried to him as Kaplan. Despite him Wanda's kid, Agatha couldn't help be a mother to him as well. I also like to consider Agatha as Billy's Crone Mother
I don't think Billy is responsible for any of the deaths, but I do think Agatha wants him to feel guilty about them anyway. First, all the actual witches that went on The Road knew that they would be in grave danger, so regardless of how the road was created they went into it fully aware that circumstances could kill them. Since Billy wasn't directly controlling The Road he's also not responsible for what it did while it was on "autopilot". And as for Sharon, she wouldn't have been there if Agatha hadn't dragged her along through deception. So Agatha's responsible for her death as well.
He did kill Sharon. Not on purpose. But that is what Agatha is so annoyed about when he gets all high and mighty that he won't be that kind of witch (after the Spirit trial). She's like "are you sure?" because Sharon just died in his hex. And she didn't think he had it in him.
Because he didn’t kill he intentionally. He should be acting all high and mighty towards a straight up serial killer. People really trying to make Agatha and Billy situation one to one wen it isn’t at all. Not even close. On one side we got a child that has reality bending powers and accidentally got people killed and on the other we have a serial killer that spend hundred of years sucking the life out of her kind.
13:30 - 13:35 Quoting Willow from the"Triangle"episode!;-3 ❤ 18:03 - 18:25 💀🖤💚 18:26 - 18:33 🤣🤣🤣🤣💕 20:45 *MY FAVORITE EPISODE* the only one I *REALLY* enjoyed!!!🤩💀🖤💚 21:02 - 21:34 💔 30:38 - 30:56 😿💔 36:34 - 36:42 Did someone say"Buffy"?;"-(( 37:24 - 37:31 *YES!!!YOU NOTICED IT!!!* 🤩💛🎶 37:52 - 38:32 🤯🤯🤯 40:09 - 40:13 "We accept you in the Circle."in Latin. Not 100% sure about the pronunciation,though... 44:37 Is it just me or does this lady kinda looks like a young Sharon?^^; 46:15 - 46:34 🤣 46:40 - 46:46 Yes!😁👻 P.S. Thank you *so much* for having your mismatched coloured nails being the middle fingers' and not the ring fingers'!!
now that im rewatching this for the gazillionth time. i don't think she actually died. though its unlikely we will see Lilia again, she got what she came for. and much like jen she might have just popped up somewhere. we just didn't see it
Any chance of us finding out what happened to last Sunday's LOST episode (which is almost a week ago now)? It's very disheartening when there is literally no mention of it at all, while episodes of other shows are being churned out on a daily basis.
@@TheLexiCrowdJac Schaeffer said thats not true, Agatha is a killer before she even has a son so thats justwhat she does. she knew she couldnt save him. thats why shes ashamed because she chose to spend time with her son to kill witches instead of taking care of him properly. then she used his song to continue killing witches.
I have very conflicted feelings on the last two episodes. The first half of each episode I love. The second halves… get iffy for me. Just choices I wasn’t a huge fan of. But to talk about things I liked. - When Agatha says she never wants to see Rio’s face again, obviously Rio looks so hurt but in the end says ok. But when we see Agatha’s face she looks like she hadn’t expected Rio to agree so easily, like she wants to say “wait no” but instead doubles down (Kathryn is just so good). - Seeing Agatha absolutely lose all composure when she doesn’t know how to get off the road. - Jen getting her powers back made me bawl. Sasheer did amazing in portraying that feeing of being whole again after a century. - I appreciate the portrayal of Death in general. She’s not the one that kills anyone. Agatha says in episode 1 that Death isn’t allowed to kill [her]. She just acts as a guide to those that pass. And while yeah she’s a little dismissive of Alice at first (“if I had a nickel”) when she sees Alice is getting more upset she offers “you’re a protection witch, you died protecting someone” as a way of comfort. She isn’t cruel, she’s just matter of fact. Because that’s what Death is. And the same with how she handles Nicky. She didn’t decide when he died, but he did die in his sleep. So all she could do was come collect him, and make sure he gave his mother two kisses goodbye (one for him, and one for Rio). Rio broke the rules for Agatha. She gave her more time with their boy. Something she’d never done before or since. Ugh it’s all so good. - That kiss was everything. Apparently one of the producers had to turn down their head phones because Aubrey and Kathryn were going all in for that kiss. Amazing. Speaking of, though, the reason Agatha died was because she absorbed Rio’s power (something foreshadowed in episode 1). - Agatha during the fight listened to Lilia’s advice, made a protection circle like Alice, and tried to heal herself with water like Jen. Not to mention in the flashback she tells Nicky that she “can’t protect him, can’t heal him, and can’t predict when she will return” all three things she would have had with a coven, and what she had with our coven here. - I do like (as messed up as this sounds) Billy realizing he led to people dying, and how Agatha tries to kind of ease his mind about it. - I love that Agatha is still very much an asshole in the end. I love Agatha, I love Kathryn Hahn’s portrayal, I sympathize with her loss, but this woman is a horrible person, and I’m kind of glad they let her stay that way. She just has someone she cares about now. And there’s really nothing I can say about episode 7 that others haven’t already. This episode is a fantastic episode of tv and the amount of stuff they had to get just right and set up throughout the season is just insane. Lilia was incredible and I’m going to miss Patti Lupone so much.
It’s pretty annoying that majority of the people care so much about Agatha and her wellbeing just because she is so charismatic…like, she is literally a monster who murdered hundreds of people for her own gain and used her child’s innocent song as a lure for her murderous intentions! I think she is vile, and disgusting (also emotionally manipulating Billy into major guilt)and she does not pay for it even in the slightest! I too love Kathrine Hahn and the way Agatha is written/played, but that does not stop me from being absolutely disgusted by her and wanting her a real death or her soul going to hell to pay tbh!
@TheLexiCrowd, 22:48 This was explained in Multiverse of Madness, though many likely forgot about it. You can see what she means here: th-cam.com/video/qqfc0sFqupo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=6B53tI4U0chIjlC8&t=147 This is why Lilia put the sigil on Billy. That sigil blocked EVERY witch from seeing Billy, even his own mother. Wanda could sense her children, but couldn't find them, and it drove her mad ='( More importantly, Lilia protected Billy from Death! 24:26 Death has to follow the cosmic rules, and she's impatient--she told us so during Alice's trial. Agatha is Death's slave, her agent in the realm of the living, Death's work around the cosmic rules that bound her. Agatha kills because she has to; it's the deal she made with Death off camera. Agatha is miserable, we can see it in this scene, and it is likely why she demanded that Death release her when she delivers Billy to her. 33:13 Is that the deal Agatha made with Rio, a long time ago, before Agatha's on screen origin story in 1693? Did Rio save Agatha from death in exchange for a vassal in the realm of the living? Agatha can't just leave Rio; she's bound to her--remember she asked Death to release her when she deliver's her Billy. We should also keep in mind that Death told her that NO ONE in history had been given special favors like she has. Death is a manipulative lover, and I'm not sure she's aware of the power she olds and her ability to use it to her favor. Did Agatha really love Death or was she just trying to survive? The first episode told us that at some point Agatha used the Darkhold and used its Dark Magic to shield her from Death's gaze. Death was heartbroken, but Agatha was free, until Wanda took it from her, but even then, Agatha was still free from Death's hold because Wanda's spell was strong enough to keep Agatha from remembering her past. Chaos Magic is an ancient magic, before the creation of the universe, IIRC, possibly before Death, even. Wanda might be more powerful Death. I wonder if we will ever get the chance to find out. 34:50 It's interesting that only Billy's magic, Chaos Magic, is the only magic hitting Death. 36:41 What was deal Agatha made with death? Death agreed to release Agatha from their deal and she also promised to never see her again. Agatha freed herself from Death and the afterlife--if Death can't see Agatha again, she can't claim Agatha's soul. Agatha saved Billy and herself, leaving Death with nothing, which is what Death left Agatha with in 1756 ='( It took 270 years, but Agatha finally paid Death back; she made Death see what it felt like to lose something you love. 39:18 Did you notice how quickly she sensed her master's presence? Fear instantly washed over her ='( It would appear that Nicholas was stillborn, and that's why Death had come. Personally, I think what Death did was an act of kindness, she gave Agatha time with a child she was never going to have, albeit it short--and tied to her service to Death: Agatha's contract with Death extends to her son, Nicholas. As long as Nichlas was willing to kill for Death, she would not come to collect him. Agatha kills to survive. As long as she kills, Death won't come for her ='( 41:15 Nothing from the realm of the living can defeat Death, so no. Nicholas made Agatha's job easy; baby's always get people to drop their guards. No one suspects small children of evil acts; while everyone had their eyes on Nicholas, Agatha moved in for the kill, literally and figuratively. 44:42 The Witches' Road is Nicholas' gift to his mother, his last gift. He made his mother's job easy. This is why Agatha let's people believe the lies about her. The truth is Nicholas helped his mother kill witches, it's the life he's only ever known. Agatha would rather people remember her for doing that, and not her son too. Nicholas has had 270 years to think about what he and his mother did, how does he feel about that? Agatha is too afraid to find out. She knew what she was doing, and why she did it. Nicholas of course didn't, and when he asked, his mother lied. Well, she didn't tell the whole truth. 49:35 And that's why she made Death promise to never see her again. Death would have had to take Agatha to the realm of the Death where Nicholas and ALL the other witches she killed the last 300 years dwell--talk about awkward! This was an amazing series! It makes Multiverse of Madness a much better story. I cannot wait for Vision Quest. I hope they keep the same writing team. This team is on fire!
Agatha is NOT Death's slave. Jac Schaeffer discussed Death and the power dynamic in their relationship in interviews. "...that there is a neutrality about her work, much the way nature is neutral, you know? Nature is beautiful, and fierce, and terrifying and uncaring, but also can hold you and can fill you." "How she is with Agatha is a totally different story, because that is their love affair. And so, with Agatha, she is toxic, and petty and vulnerable, and she does not have the upper hand, which was our favorite thing. We were like, 'If Agatha is going to be in a relationship with Death, Agatha would have the upper hand.' How hot is that for our main girl, right? Our protagonist has Death whipped."
@@ParticleZon Interesting. Still doesn't wipe away the fact that Agatha specifically asked Death to release her as one of her conditions for delivering Billy. I appreciate the quote, however. Thank you.
@ She said, specifically, “I want you to stop pursuing me.” Whatever, stick with this twisted head canon you seem weirdly committed to. Just please don’t push it on others as truth when there is NO BASIS for it in the show. You’re makin’ this sh*t up.
@@ParticleZon Pretty convenient of you to leave out the line preceding your quote. Agatha very clearly states the terms of the deal she's making with Death, here, 24:13: "You let me go." She ends the terms of their deal, which Death agrees to with, "I don't wanna see your face." If you disagree, cool. Stay on your side of the fence, and I'll stay on mine.
years ago i decided i was DONE with marvel movies, civil war dissapointed me so much, and i said that i would give them a chance again when the young avengers would appear and especially my favourite: Billy (if they let him stay gay atleast, which i didnt expect back than) so GUESS IM COMING BACK
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57:23 okay i see now what i missed. I originally didn’t realise the show started right when MoM finished (like in the universe’s timeline). So when Wanda “died” her spell was starting to lose its power over Agatha. Maybe that’s why it was also so easy for Billy to break the spell. It was already on its way out. My bad for not putting two and two together.
Anyways hope you all enjoyed these reactions. I had such a good time reacting to this show! It’s been fun xx
Also also omg it just occured to me that when Rio said that Billy is not Agatha’s son she probably meant it in a more metaphorical way. How Agatha shouldn’t sacrifice everything for him and should just let him go. I wonder if Agatha had kissed Rio then and there would she have died as well? (I’m writing this part later. I just rewatched ep 1 and Rio told Agatha she should take her power and Agatha said that that would kill her. So no she could have kissed Rio in ep 4 and been fine. She only died in ep 8 because with that kiss she took her power) Then it could make sense for Rio to want to talk her out of it so she can take Billy instead. Dude i’m never gonna be able to untangle all the nuances this show threw at me. It’s bloody brilliant!!
Also also also the more i’m editing the more i realise how desperately i need an Agatha Rio spin off. I need to watch them fall in love and go through their cat and mouse life together. I don’t even care if the plot is mid. Their chemistry and angst in undeniable and i would be sat for a show just about them. It could go so hard! Feed me Marvel!!!
The showrunners have said that at one point the script for the last ep showed Agatha and Rio maybe meeting, and living in a little cottage together. Ultimately they realized that the Nicky storyline was the most important one for this show. And ok yes twist my arm I agree…… but I hope we get some adorable dark cottage core queer AgaDeath scenes in the future!!!
Well, while I can't direct you to more Rio, Aubrey Plaza is in *Legion (2017 - 2019)* which is an X-Men television series.
So, not the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but still Marvel. And she is one of the best things about the show. I very much recommend watching Legion.
Agatha technically did walk "the road" with her son. That is why she knew it was two rather than true.
Because they were a coven of two 😭😭
How did she walk the road..?
The road they walked on when Nicholas sang “Down the Windy Road”
The Buffy poster being "Once more with feeling" and that whole episode being about revealing secrets....
And music written by Christophe Beck who is also co-composer of the show :)
I was really, really impressed that you called Nicholas Scratch being Agatha and Rio's baby! The showrunners have revealed that they had no idea that people were going to be as invested in Agatha and Rio's relationship as they were. Part of the backstory we're never shown is how they met in Agatha's Salem days, probably in her initial pursuit of magick and power, and then ran away together after Agatha killed her coven and escaped. The cabin in "Darkest Hour, Wake Thy Power" is meant to be a mimicry of the cabin in the woods they shared together. They were going to put part of this in "Maiden Mother Crone", but cut it from the final script for time. Also, the end of "Follow Me My Friend, to Glory at the End" was apparently scripted differently in the lead-up to Agatha's kiss with Death, according to Joe Locke, so that was going to be even more emotional than it already was. It helped that Kathryn Hahn and Aubrey Plaza had such firework chemistry together!
One of the best/worst things about this series is that they really stayed true to Agatha Harkness being a villain. She has a heart, she has her own weird moral compass, and there are people that she cares about, but at the end of the day she is, as Jenn states, a 'noted serial killer'. You end up really caring about Agatha by the end of this series, and can't help but be kind of into the "Agatha Through Time" version of the The Ballad even though you know you're watching covens of completely innocent witches being slaughtered as she cackles. The one truly unanswered question we have is, why did Agatha hunt witches like that? My guess is that after what went down between her and her mother and the Salem coven, Agatha decided she could never be accepted with her succubus powers and decided to attack before she could be attacked. We know she did eventually get the Darkhold in order to hide from Death and grow powerful enough to maybe attack Death herself, as she (unfairly) lays the blame of Nicky's death at Rio's feet.
The big tragedy, I think, is her monologue to Nicky during their "lesson" in the woods: "I cannot heal you, I cannot protect you, and I cannot divine when She will return". Nicholas Scratch is constantly mentioned by others as sickly and frail. He was always living on borrowed time. But what would have happened if Agatha had had a coven? Jennifer Kale, a Potions witch, could have healed him. Alice Gulliver-Wu, a Protection witch, could have protected him. And Lilia Calderu, a Divination witch, might have been able to foresee Nicholas's final illness. The cruel irony to Agatha's actions is that if she had actually formed a real coven with witches that she actually trusted and would have her back, mastering all the different kinds of magick, she might have actually been able to extend Nicholas's short life. Lilia's maestra states "a witch needs a coven", and Lilia is the one who met Death calmly and as a friend once she'd embraced hers. If Agatha hadn't killed all those witches for power, she might have actually saved her son.
I agree with a lot of what you have to say about the reasons for Agatha's pattern of being covenless and killing other witches. I doubt, though, that simply having a coven would have saved Nicky. He was fated to die at birth and only lived for six years because Rio gave Agatha "special treatment." I think she likely went after the Darkhold because she's drawn to power. It's one of things she finds attractive about Rio.
The "Honey you got a big storm coming" joke was superb
I freaking loved this set of episodes so much. Lilia shattered my heart with her sacrifice (Patti's intonation on her "I loved being a witch" line broke me), and getting the backstory between Agatha and Nicky's "creation" of the Road was wild.
I saw an interview in which Jac Schaefer explained that part of the reason Agatha kept killing with "The Road" ruse after Nicky's death was as a way to keep reliving the time she'd had with him. Which is heartbreaking all over again, because it's also that guilt/shame over the constant killing throughout the years that's keeping Agatha from feeling she can go to him, even now.
This was such a good show. Jen's survival, the Wiccan reveal, Tommy's setup, Aubrey's Lady Death persona ... my God(dess), everyone who worked on this just nailed it.
40:07 She didn't mean that she created him in a magical sense she says "I didn't say any spell or incantation, I created you from scratch" she meant that she meant that he was the first thing she created without Magic
Funnily enough, it was supposed to be Agatha's and Rio's baby, with Rio "giving life" to Nicky with her Green magic.
@@EdolasMystogan That’s absolute rubbish. The showrunners and writers confirmed Nicky’s father’s a normal man, and that they wrote his story, but decided for time and to keep the story concise, to remove it.
Rio/Death is unable to give anything life. It’s not in her nature. Death is only about entropy.
Stop making things up.
@@arc7375 I saw an interview with Agatha and I could have sworn she said they didn't need men to procreate, which makes it sound like that baby was made from scratch
by Agatha I mean Kathryn Hahn
@@arc7375 Exactly
Fun fact : Christophe Beck did the score for this show
He also did Buffy and Wandavision
49:25 In episode 8 Agatha told Rio that when she died she didn't want to see her face, so when Agatha died she became a ghost, there's also the issue of wanting to go, Despite not wanting to be dead, Alice accepted and went with Rio, Agatha didn't.
My thought is that Billy had Tommy’s soul with him the entire time, where Billy was the conscious one, but Tommy was in there somewhere. I don’t know if that’s true or not but that’s the first thing I thought of when I watched the episode.
I interpreted the same thing.
it would be the simplest explanation for why Wanda could not sense either of them in MoM. Billy was covered by Lilia's sigil, and Tommy was "asleep" held safely inside Billy's soul so...
I thought that was pretty clear! Agatha says that Billy can’t keep Tommy with him… implying that he HAD been with him before. And this would explain why Wanda couldn’t find him either, he was being kept with Billy, who was hidden by Lilia’s sigil.
it's so funny to me that since "Buffy" exists in the MCU, Sarah Proctor must be constantly getting mistaken for Emma Caulfield. Also Clint Barton must be amused to hear there was an actor on "Angel" that played a vampire and looks EXACTLY like him. and Phil Coulson's girlfriend is a dead ringer for Amy Acker.
I guess Deathlok has a doppelgänger who played Gunn on Angel as well.
I wonder if all the Buffyverse actors that have roles in the MCU get to collect residuals from that universe, too?
@@MrDWinter
In this universe they do because both are fictional. In that universe they don’t because Buffy is fictional and the MCU isn’t. So unless they get roles in something like Avengers the musical or whatever other media gets produced about then, they won’t get the credits.
@@MrDWinter
Something I didn’t consider is Last Action Hero rules. A kid got sucked into a Schwarzenegger movie and inside the movie Sylvester Stallone played the Terminator. So while roles for MCU actors may exist in the MCU Buffyverse, they may not be played by the same actors in the MCU.
@@zemoxian I think differently. In the MCU, Buffy Summers is fictional like she is here. But that's clearly Sarah Michelle Gellar's face on the "Once More with Feeling" poster in Billy's room, so in the MCU SMG is a real actress playing a fictional character - just like she is here. in the MCU, she (and presumably the rest of the cast, including Emma Caulfield) are real actors.
Rio says in ep 1, “This is really how you see yourself?” So I think that as Wanda’s spell deteriorated, the crime show really did come from Agatha’s head! 😂
the things that agatha was telling to her son was the power of the other witches, like, she said I can't protect you (that's alice's power as she is a protection witch), she said I can't heal you (that's jennifer's power) and lastly she said I can't save you from what's coming (divination kinda thing, like lilia).
I thought the Agnes of Westview was somehow triggered by Wanda’s apparent death. May the spell weakened or something. Like something tickling her subconscious about Wanda and the Darkhold and so on.
The procedural drama was an effect of Wanda’s spell going wonky after she died. Up until Wanda died Agnes had been living a much more controlled existence in Westview, but once Wanda was gone the spell went sideways until the combo of Teen and Rio broke her out of it completely.
She was worried because if billy dies she didn't know what would happen to them.
They told us during the whole show it was Billy All Along
I wish Sharon had made it. That’s the worst one for me because she wasn’t even a witch. She just wanted to go to a party.
Her death makes me cry to this day! She deserved the world!! And her last words were what she wanted to tell Wanda while she was choking her husband. Truly the most tragic character!! 😭😭
@@TheLexiCrowd at least she is now reunited with her husband 😢
Billy doesn't remember anything from Wandavision. Mama Kaplan is the only mother he has known. Outside that one memory he has nothing. Also combined what Wanda did from an outsider pov, she looks like a psycho witch. Also he went home because honestly he loves his newfound parents alot now.
Yes. Even if he did have Billy's memories, Wanda was his mum for like three days, compared to three years he has been effectively the son of the Kaplans. Billy or William, he has been a Kaplan for the overwhelmingly vast majority of his life.
@@DEGriffSoc Yes, I feel like with only 3 days in the hex while as William (which is by interestingly actual name as well) Billy wasn't a person, he built with the family he has now. I feel there's not that much difference William Maximoff and William Kaplan.
If death were a person in real life, she would be a villain in so many lives. Yet, death is nothing but the ultimate truth. Everyone has to face it when their time comes. The character of death is so intriguing. I mean Agatha loves death, but she never wanted 'death'. Crazy!
Lilia saved the members of the Harkness coven more times than people realize.
the first time being when she stopped Agatha from riling the witches up to attack her.
this show has so many layers and i love it so-so-so much.
That's one of the reasons i didn't like the twist a lot. If that was her plan, why would she tell Lilia the way her power works when she met her? Especially since it's implied it's a big secret?
I always knew that this was “Billy’s” road because i saw people make connections that everything on the road was inspired by his room. But I thought that just meant that the road gets customized to the psyche of whoever the main traveler is. I had NO clue it meant that the road never existed at all, and I looooove that twist.
There is a third show, called White Vision or something, that’s supposed to round out a trilogy of these three shows. I love Paul Bethany but all I want right now is more Billy and Agatha.
The show is called Visionquest and we still don’t know if it’s actually the third of the “trilogy” because it’s not directed by Jac Schaefer and there’s no plot details released yet. Still hoping that if it’s the finale, it’s as amazing as the other two. 🤞🏽
You’re adorable! So insightful and compassionate. Loved these reactions! Such a brilliant show 🥹
I really enjoyed your reaction!!! I love it! Thank you for this journey!!! You are awesome!!!!!!
I'm glad you enjoyed the twists, me and everyone else on twitter knew about rio already because the funko pop figures leaked and rio's real identity was written all over it 😅
There was supposed to be more background story to Agatha and Rio but it was cut since they didnt predict people would be so into the whole Rio x Agatha thing. Apparently they lived in some cottage together, and also it was Rio's Life magic that created Nicky from "scratch".
Absolute buffoons! Agatha x Rio is literally the best part of the show
@@EdolasMystogan Nicky’s story is fake! The showrunner has explicitly said that it’ s not important Who the father is
Rio doesn’t have life magick. That’s now how death works
@@giuliaciccarello7269 are you on drugs? the showrunners specifically said they found an actor who looked like aubrey because he was rio's kid. get over yourself
@@BARALover96 yes she does, it's how she spontaneously spawns flowers and can heal. Creating life is part of her Green Witch skill set.
As the episode begins and you hear the melancholy cello as Lilia falls, you can clearly hear that it’s Christophe Beck behind the music. This piece sounds exactly like something he’d compose to play as Buffy is about to prepare for a battle with a Big Bad, or Angel is having a flashback to his time as Angelus.
"The flow of time is an illusion" Amazing line from the best episode 🥺
“I believe the subtext is rapidly becoming _text”_ - Rupert Giles
Agatha all along was a fantastic spin off from WandaVision. Most of us didn't see the obvious from the start - that reality was being distorted by someone or something. It genuinely came as a shock to me when it was revealed. Each plot point was expertly revealed. Lilia was a standout character for me, but every single actor slayed their roles. There's not a single weak character for me. Everyone had a purpose and fleshed out story - a massive feat considering how hard it is to balance this many characters and do each one justice, but they managed to do it flawlessly.
Nickys story was heartbreaking and while, again, I didn't see the twist coming and assumed Agatha had played a part and traded him for the Darkhold. It made the truth even more painful to watch. 😢
After rewatching with you, I did notice something I didn't before - in episode 5 - when dealing with Evanora, Rio states "I hate Ghosts", and Agatha becomes a ghost in episode 9. I took that as ghosts being outside the jurisdiction of Death as they are already dead and can't be claimed like souls. So Death is powerless when it comes to Ghosts???? Meaning Agatha is beyond Deaths grip....
Kathryn Hahn, Joe Locke, Patti LuPone, Aubrey Plaza, Sasheer Zamata, Ali Ahn and Debra Jo Rupp gave 100% and it made for an amazing series!!!
Lilia knowing what will come for Billy, she put the sigil on him, hiding him from witches, having Wanda not finding her children and therefor starting the search across the multiverse. Lilia is kinda responsible for Multiverse of Madness.
Wanda was already under the darkohold spell. Why do people want to take responsibility for what she did. I didn't like Mom, but why would you think Wanda would have reacted so lovingly and non violent about th whole thing? She did what she did
So on the subject of another season when submitting this show for 2025 awards (Emmys, SAG, Golden Globes etc…) Marvel Television Studios submitted it as a “Comedy series” and not as a miniseries, which strongly suggests that they have plans for more.
There was no intention to have any second season of AAA. Wiccan (Billy) was always intended to join Ms Marvel, Hawkeye, Cassie Lang etc for a Young Avengers project. Now, because of the incredible fan response Kevin Feige announced there WILL be a follow up project from AAA.
As for the crime drama at the start... I think after Wanda died, Agatha's mind knew SOMETHING had changed, and her subconscious warped her "reality" into a detective show, so she would start asking more questions. The destruction of the Darkhold was what allowed Rio to finally find Agatha. Until then the dark magic of it was still hiding her from her "enemies"
When One Door closes, the door of the MCU Opens 😊
Sharon's death was on Agatha too. She invited her to join them just to avoid possibly having to ask Rio, who she thought was the black heart. So yea, it was in fact Agatha's fault.
@@2sam2furious45 Agreed. It was Agatha's fault. But actually I think we kind of get the clue that the black heart wasn't Rio but Billy because on ep 6 we see that his bf calls him his "black heart" so he was always part of the coven. This makes even more sense since Rio got to the road after Sharon's death, meaning where there was a body to go to and not before.
Remember Agatha said they didn't need a green witch. 😂. It was the other witches (especially Jen) that forced her to get one, and Agatha thought of Mrs Heart/Davis.
So its Jen's fault Mrs Davis came alongm
I could be wrong but I thought the 'crime procedural' was Agatha's minds way of trying to clear it's way through Wanda's spell now that she's gone. The residual effects are there, but she has to kind of figure out what happened to break free. She subconsciously kinda twisted the spell, like Wanda subconsciously created the original one.
Between this and Arcane...what an emotional rollercoaster!!!!
I watched this a day after arcane 2x6 so i was very much so emotionally compromised going into this and yeah these three eps really hurt my heart. But my god what an amazing show this was!
@@TheLexiCrowd Honestly!!! That is intense, hopefully you have a good emotional support system and may episodes 7, 8 and 9 be kind to us
agatha used her powers to siphon rio's powers which she knew would kill her. any normal kiss between them would be fine but she intentionally tried to siphon her powers so that's why she died. kiss of death being very very literal here lol
I love your reactions. You make me laugh and your react the same way I do.
- "Yeah, I know. You looked so good in the previous trial, and the trials before, and now you're wearing this drab?" The showrunners said that this was because the Road is a reflection of Billy's subconscious state. At that point, he's stressed and isn't enjoying costuming and rich soundscapes.
- "Her face. She's like, 'Oh Fuck! Mini-Wanda is here.' Don't look at me, girl." That reaction cracked me up.
- What the Ballad means. Jac Schaeffer was talking in an interview that "...when she says, 'The Ballad didn’t mean anything, it never did,' there’s a lovely moment that Kathryn gave where she looks to the camera to convey that she’s lying, that the Ballad means everything to her, but for reasons Billy could never understand or imagine. We cut it, because it didn’t work in the larger catharsis of the later moment..." I would love to see how Kathryn Hahn conveyed that.
13:35 reminds me of Chandler in Friends Pilot 😂
Ever since Sharon died, I had kept some hope that she would come back. Then Alice and Lilia died and that hope dwindled. If the show were to have any stakes, death shouldn’t be so easily averted.
Then there’s Rio aka Death there to keep the balance and make sure the dead get to where they’re supposed to be going. Bringing them back would definitely be crossing a line she would not allow to be crossed.
So, after it was over, I realized the deaths had to stay the way they were. I saw a review where someone was really upset by the deaths to the point that they couldn’t like the show. In the comments someone mentioned that this was a show about death. (I’ve also heard elsewhere that it’s also a show about grieving and generational trauma. So maybe it’s just a major theme.)
Thinking back, I can’t think of a major character that hasn’t died on the show except 2. Every other character has died: Nicky, Billy, Tommy, William, Sharon, Alice, the Salem Seven, Lilia, Tommy’s new body, and Agatha.
Jen made it through the trials and unbound herself. So, she didn’t die yet. Rio actually IS death and as an eternal fact of nature that can’t die, she didn’t either.
He still has no memories of Westview. He has no memories of Wanda being his mother. Of course he would think of Rebecca Kaplan as his ‘mom’, and not Wanda. I’m not sure why that surprises so many people.
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but Wanda, to me, is no longer a sympathetic character. Maybe that’s the MCU doing her character wrong, but she hurt way too many people. I’m actually going to be a little upset if at some point it’s just her two kids running into her arms and everything is great. She put Billy and Tommy through a lot , and she has a lot to answer for.
I think Wanda is still sympathetic, but she isn't that sympathetic anymore either. I think Billy and Tommy really, really, really deserved better. Her being mother their mother just put them in danger. I do understand her. But I also want to be held accountable. She is willing to hurt kill another version of herself to steal her children. Also she didn't look for her own kids. I know Lilia's sigil was blocking her from Billy, but still, she didn't resort to stealing her aren't technically hers.
Honestly Lilia the right, putting sigil on Billy that going to keep psycho mama from corrupting him. While Agatha is much more evil than Wanda, I don't think she would put Billy in such great at all.
@ honestly love this show for the fact that these characters are so well written. Agatha is no ‘good guy’, for sure, but by the end you do have a certain amount of sympathy for her. You learn that she was a loving mother who would never have given up her child for the Darkhold. However, she did something terrible that she is now ashamed of - turning the song she and Nicky wrote together into a tool for mass murder. I really really love this show.
@@jcs1025 IDK if this is. Billy has three maternal figures that represent maiden, mother, crone.
Maiden = Wanda: I wouldn't call Wanda a mom, but she did love Billy and Tommy
Mother = Rebecca/Mama Kaplan: I feel since nothing really different from Billy to William, Rebecca and Jeff would accept. Honestly if Billy at least gains William's last day, he gonna much how much his mother loves him.
Crone = Agatha: Agatha has always fond of Billy since they first back in Wandavision. There's some signs there was genuine care because Billy was like her son. This fondness carried to him as Kaplan. Despite him Wanda's kid, Agatha couldn't help be a mother to him as well. I also like to consider Agatha as Billy's Crone Mother
I don't think Billy is responsible for any of the deaths, but I do think Agatha wants him to feel guilty about them anyway. First, all the actual witches that went on The Road knew that they would be in grave danger, so regardless of how the road was created they went into it fully aware that circumstances could kill them. Since Billy wasn't directly controlling The Road he's also not responsible for what it did while it was on "autopilot". And as for Sharon, she wouldn't have been there if Agatha hadn't dragged her along through deception. So Agatha's responsible for her death as well.
Episode 7 is, together with X-Men '97 episode 5, the best piece of TV Marvel has created in quite a while.
still waiting for LOST 3 x 7 😞
Me too.
He did kill Sharon. Not on purpose. But that is what Agatha is so annoyed about when he gets all high and mighty that he won't be that kind of witch (after the Spirit trial). She's like "are you sure?" because Sharon just died in his hex. And she didn't think he had it in him.
Because he didn’t kill he intentionally. He should be acting all high and mighty towards a straight up serial killer. People really trying to make Agatha and Billy situation one to one wen it isn’t at all. Not even close.
On one side we got a child that has reality bending powers and accidentally got people killed and on the other we have a serial killer that spend hundred of years sucking the life out of her kind.
13:30 - 13:35 Quoting Willow from the"Triangle"episode!;-3 ❤ 18:03 - 18:25 💀🖤💚 18:26 - 18:33 🤣🤣🤣🤣💕
20:45 *MY FAVORITE EPISODE* the only one I *REALLY* enjoyed!!!🤩💀🖤💚 21:02 - 21:34 💔 30:38 - 30:56 😿💔 36:34 - 36:42 Did someone say"Buffy"?;"-(( 37:24 - 37:31 *YES!!!YOU NOTICED IT!!!* 🤩💛🎶 37:52 - 38:32 🤯🤯🤯
40:09 - 40:13 "We accept you in the Circle."in Latin. Not 100% sure about the pronunciation,though... 44:37 Is it just me or does this lady kinda looks like a young Sharon?^^; 46:15 - 46:34 🤣
46:40 - 46:46 Yes!😁👻 P.S. Thank you *so much* for having your mismatched coloured nails being the middle fingers' and not the ring fingers'!!
Wasn't the first gay kiss Billy and his Boyf?
There was a gay kiss in Eternals.
@dcaslick we don't mention that here 😅🤫
Wheres this weeks Lost episode?
Good question.
Now, Thanos is definitely coming back. Hello 👋🏻.
now that im rewatching this for the gazillionth time. i don't think she actually died. though its unlikely we will see Lilia again, she got what she came for. and much like jen she might have just popped up somewhere. we just didn't see it
Any chance of us finding out what happened to last Sunday's LOST episode (which is almost a week ago now)? It's very disheartening when there is literally no mention of it at all, while episodes of other shows are being churned out on a daily basis.
It didn't occur to me before, but did Agatha keep killing witches to pay for additional time for Nick? Not just for power.
Yeah i think so. I think she kept Rio fed that way. And then the day she didn’t kill witches because Nicky asked her not to that’s the night he died.
@@TheLexiCrowdJac Schaeffer said thats not true, Agatha is a killer before she even has a son so thats justwhat she does. she knew she couldnt save him. thats why shes ashamed because she chose to spend time with her son to kill witches instead of taking care of him properly. then she used his song to continue killing witches.
36:52 Hear me out
Cry on top of it though 31:18 😂😂😂😂
You asked who put the procedural drama on Agatha?
Rewatch the end of WandaVision.
For the Algorithm
Thank you!! 🥹
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I have very conflicted feelings on the last two episodes. The first half of each episode I love. The second halves… get iffy for me. Just choices I wasn’t a huge fan of.
But to talk about things I liked.
- When Agatha says she never wants to see Rio’s face again, obviously Rio looks so hurt but in the end says ok. But when we see Agatha’s face she looks like she hadn’t expected Rio to agree so easily, like she wants to say “wait no” but instead doubles down (Kathryn is just so good).
- Seeing Agatha absolutely lose all composure when she doesn’t know how to get off the road.
- Jen getting her powers back made me bawl. Sasheer did amazing in portraying that feeing of being whole again after a century.
- I appreciate the portrayal of Death in general. She’s not the one that kills anyone. Agatha says in episode 1 that Death isn’t allowed to kill [her]. She just acts as a guide to those that pass. And while yeah she’s a little dismissive of Alice at first (“if I had a nickel”) when she sees Alice is getting more upset she offers “you’re a protection witch, you died protecting someone” as a way of comfort. She isn’t cruel, she’s just matter of fact. Because that’s what Death is. And the same with how she handles Nicky. She didn’t decide when he died, but he did die in his sleep. So all she could do was come collect him, and make sure he gave his mother two kisses goodbye (one for him, and one for Rio). Rio broke the rules for Agatha. She gave her more time with their boy. Something she’d never done before or since. Ugh it’s all so good.
- That kiss was everything. Apparently one of the producers had to turn down their head phones because Aubrey and Kathryn were going all in for that kiss. Amazing. Speaking of, though, the reason Agatha died was because she absorbed Rio’s power (something foreshadowed in episode 1).
- Agatha during the fight listened to Lilia’s advice, made a protection circle like Alice, and tried to heal herself with water like Jen. Not to mention in the flashback she tells Nicky that she “can’t protect him, can’t heal him, and can’t predict when she will return” all three things she would have had with a coven, and what she had with our coven here.
- I do like (as messed up as this sounds) Billy realizing he led to people dying, and how Agatha tries to kind of ease his mind about it.
- I love that Agatha is still very much an asshole in the end. I love Agatha, I love Kathryn Hahn’s portrayal, I sympathize with her loss, but this woman is a horrible person, and I’m kind of glad they let her stay that way. She just has someone she cares about now.
And there’s really nothing I can say about episode 7 that others haven’t already. This episode is a fantastic episode of tv and the amount of stuff they had to get just right and set up throughout the season is just insane. Lilia was incredible and I’m going to miss Patti Lupone so much.
24:32 In some fan fiction (including mine) the producers were like "Aubrey, wtf? That backdrop was expensive!" 😅
It’s pretty annoying that majority of the people care so much about Agatha and her wellbeing just because she is so charismatic…like, she is literally a monster who murdered hundreds of people for her own gain and used her child’s innocent song as a lure for her murderous intentions! I think she is vile, and disgusting (also emotionally manipulating Billy into major guilt)and she does not pay for it even in the slightest! I too love Kathrine Hahn and the way Agatha is written/played, but that does not stop me from being absolutely disgusted by her and wanting her a real death or her soul going to hell to pay tbh!
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@TheLexiCrowd,
22:48 This was explained in Multiverse of Madness, though many likely forgot about it. You can see what she means here: th-cam.com/video/qqfc0sFqupo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=6B53tI4U0chIjlC8&t=147
This is why Lilia put the sigil on Billy. That sigil blocked EVERY witch from seeing Billy, even his own mother. Wanda could sense her children, but couldn't find them, and it drove her mad ='( More importantly, Lilia protected Billy from Death!
24:26 Death has to follow the cosmic rules, and she's impatient--she told us so during Alice's trial. Agatha is Death's slave, her agent in the realm of the living, Death's work around the cosmic rules that bound her. Agatha kills because she has to; it's the deal she made with Death off camera. Agatha is miserable, we can see it in this scene, and it is likely why she demanded that Death release her when she delivers Billy to her.
33:13 Is that the deal Agatha made with Rio, a long time ago, before Agatha's on screen origin story in 1693? Did Rio save Agatha from death in exchange for a vassal in the realm of the living? Agatha can't just leave Rio; she's bound to her--remember she asked Death to release her when she deliver's her Billy. We should also keep in mind that Death told her that NO ONE in history had been given special favors like she has. Death is a manipulative lover, and I'm not sure she's aware of the power she olds and her ability to use it to her favor. Did Agatha really love Death or was she just trying to survive? The first episode told us that at some point Agatha used the Darkhold and used its Dark Magic to shield her from Death's gaze. Death was heartbroken, but Agatha was free, until Wanda took it from her, but even then, Agatha was still free from Death's hold because Wanda's spell was strong enough to keep Agatha from remembering her past.
Chaos Magic is an ancient magic, before the creation of the universe, IIRC, possibly before Death, even. Wanda might be more powerful Death. I wonder if we will ever get the chance to find out.
34:50 It's interesting that only Billy's magic, Chaos Magic, is the only magic hitting Death.
36:41 What was deal Agatha made with death? Death agreed to release Agatha from their deal and she also promised to never see her again. Agatha freed herself from Death and the afterlife--if Death can't see Agatha again, she can't claim Agatha's soul. Agatha saved Billy and herself, leaving Death with nothing, which is what Death left Agatha with in 1756 ='( It took 270 years, but Agatha finally paid Death back; she made Death see what it felt like to lose something you love.
39:18 Did you notice how quickly she sensed her master's presence? Fear instantly washed over her ='(
It would appear that Nicholas was stillborn, and that's why Death had come. Personally, I think what Death did was an act of kindness, she gave Agatha time with a child she was never going to have, albeit it short--and tied to her service to Death: Agatha's contract with Death extends to her son, Nicholas. As long as Nichlas was willing to kill for Death, she would not come to collect him. Agatha kills to survive. As long as she kills, Death won't come for her ='(
41:15 Nothing from the realm of the living can defeat Death, so no. Nicholas made Agatha's job easy; baby's always get people to drop their guards. No one suspects small children of evil acts; while everyone had their eyes on Nicholas, Agatha moved in for the kill, literally and figuratively.
44:42 The Witches' Road is Nicholas' gift to his mother, his last gift. He made his mother's job easy. This is why Agatha let's people believe the lies about her. The truth is Nicholas helped his mother kill witches, it's the life he's only ever known. Agatha would rather people remember her for doing that, and not her son too. Nicholas has had 270 years to think about what he and his mother did, how does he feel about that? Agatha is too afraid to find out. She knew what she was doing, and why she did it. Nicholas of course didn't, and when he asked, his mother lied. Well, she didn't tell the whole truth.
49:35 And that's why she made Death promise to never see her again. Death would have had to take Agatha to the realm of the Death where Nicholas and ALL the other witches she killed the last 300 years dwell--talk about awkward!
This was an amazing series! It makes Multiverse of Madness a much better story. I cannot wait for Vision Quest. I hope they keep the same writing team. This team is on fire!
Agatha is NOT Death's slave. Jac Schaeffer discussed Death and the power dynamic in their relationship in interviews.
"...that there is a neutrality about her work, much the way nature is neutral, you know? Nature is beautiful, and fierce, and terrifying and uncaring, but also can hold you and can fill you."
"How she is with Agatha is a totally different story, because that is their love affair. And so, with Agatha, she is toxic, and petty and vulnerable, and she does not have the upper hand, which was our favorite thing. We were like, 'If Agatha is going to be in a relationship with Death, Agatha would have the upper hand.' How hot is that for our main girl, right? Our protagonist has Death whipped."
@@ParticleZon Interesting. Still doesn't wipe away the fact that Agatha specifically asked Death to release her as one of her conditions for delivering Billy. I appreciate the quote, however. Thank you.
@ She said, specifically, “I want you to stop pursuing me.” Whatever, stick with this twisted head canon you seem weirdly committed to. Just please don’t push it on others as truth when there is NO BASIS for it in the show. You’re makin’ this sh*t up.
@@ParticleZon Pretty convenient of you to leave out the line preceding your quote. Agatha very clearly states the terms of the deal she's making with Death, here, 24:13: "You let me go." She ends the terms of their deal, which Death agrees to with, "I don't wanna see your face."
If you disagree, cool. Stay on your side of the fence, and I'll stay on mine.
You look like dora 😍
years ago i decided i was DONE with marvel movies, civil war dissapointed me so much, and i said that i would give them a chance again when the young avengers would appear and especially my favourite: Billy (if they let him stay gay atleast, which i didnt expect back than) so GUESS IM COMING BACK