A simple 2CV Service. Goes wrong. What's up?
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- It was going so well! A simple service on my 1986 Citroen 2CV, but I knew something wasn't quite right. Now, who fitted that manifold? Ah...
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How to get rid of oil filters without going the tip:
Step 1: place in a cardboard box
Step 2: place the box in a designated ‘safe place’ in the garage
Step 3: wait 7 days
Step 4: stand in the garage and loudly proclaim ‘I desperately need some used oil filters, I placed them in a safe place in case I needed them’
HEY PRESTO, your oil filters will have magically disappeared thinking you needed them.
Sounds like it's only running on two cylinders. :-)
Be careful when swapping the manifold some people have been known to replace the original rotten one!!!!!
Always throw down your dipstick and wiping rag onto filthy, wet, gritty ground between readings. Your engine will appreciate those contaminants in the nice clean oil. True HubNuttery!
Classic hubnut ,you got too love him .
Yeah let’s just chuck that rag on the gravelly floor...
@@bevanson meeeeeeeeeh
He's just doing what 90% of people do!
Bothered about pulling the coil lead so you don't get metal to metal for a second or so (never known a trained mechanic do that) but not bothered about gravel staying in the engine for 6 months or more 😂😂😂
A day in the life of HubNut where nothing quite goes to plan but this is why we love the channel.
I will second that , makes my day , so natural , nothings scripted .
Nothing beats real. More fun
He is UK's answer to ViceGripGarage.
@@thepumpkingking8339 I was thinking that just the other day. I've watched Hubnut for years and have enjoyed every iteration and variation along the way. I only discovered VGG about 3 months ago after finally seeing enough mentions on channels I really enjoy to believe it was worth going to have a look.
I think a big part of the value they both share is plain enthusiasm for what they do and a clearly genuine approach from relatable, great blokes supported by their families. Albeit from very different places, physically and metaphorically!
@@jncg2311 Snap. I have been a long fan of Roadkill but when they went pay only on Motortrend, I went in search of something else and found Hubnut right when Ian got TWC. I subscribed in an instant. But VGG kept popping up in my feed for ages till I watched one last month. I was kicking myself for days as I tried to catch up on his feed. But Derek's southern droll just cracks me up.
I have had two identical Draper torque wrenches for years now, one stays in the boot of the car, and always left set at the required torque for the wheel nuts. The other lives in the workshop, and I have always slackened the tension back off of that one when not being used. I checked them both last summer, even after 10+ years of being stored in a different way, the pair of them were identical when it came measuring torque! Obviously being Draper they will not be spot on, but i was certainly surprised to find that the two different storage methods made not a difference to how they performed. So much for all my mates that kept telling me that the one stored at 85 foot pounds in the boot of my car would be trashed.
You were going to change the plugs so pull them first after you have disrobed the car. No compression then, so the engine turns over easier when you adjust the valve clearances. I believe that screws are prone to coming loose on the carbs with vibration. May also happen if the manifold nuts have been on and off a lot. Threads get a bit loose. Using split type lock washers and nyloc nuts as belt and braces a good idea. Flange distortion common on carbs with 2 hole fixing.
"I've got some other issues as well"
That's crying out to be printed on a t shirt 😁
Hubnut must have a chuckle too all these comments , he is a legend , in the nicest sense .Makes my day , he's just like me , his heart is in the right place , but his tools are everywhere
I'd take it as a Hoody too.
But with a cartoon, of Hub nut holding a tool of some sort
Last time you were going to change the manifold. You took the old one off . Then put it back on instead of the replacement if you remember. All very Hubnut again doh
Another lovely 30 min video. Love the fact you showed it all and did not edit to bits. Glad Ellie is getting the TLC she deserves. Thanks
The Burton neoprene heat dump tubes are a good upgrade, not only are they a much better fit than the cardboard tubes they also make getting the wings off easier.
As a 19 year-old I bought a new-to-me beautiful Honda CB400F motorcycle. When I decreed that it needed an oil change, I began to work on the sump plug. It wouldn't budge, so i added more strength, still nothing. Now I went into full gorilla mode and it finally loosened. Then it tightened. Then it loosened again. Slowly, very slowly, a light started flickering in my brain: I had been tightening instead of loosening the plug and ended up stripping the aluminum sump... I was very lucky that my dad was a machinist and was able to repair my mess. I've gotten slightly better at wrenching in the intervening decades.
A tappy tappet is a happy tappet. The funniest part of doing tappets is when you can't stop the adjuster moving when you tighten the locknut. It's like when the points gap changes every time you tighten the screw back down. It can make a man go a bit odd.
Really enjoyed that Ian it's like going back to the good old days of hubnut, great stuff👌👍
Just remembered the classic episode you refitted the same manifold you'd just removed
I have just bought a classic car and was thinking of doing my own maintenance. Then l watched Hub Nut, think l'll pay a professional !!
I fitted iridium plugs to my 2cv 2 years ago and every time I have checked them the gap has stayed the same it never seems to get bigger as with normal plugs, and you do notice a difference in starting both hot and cold, I think they are supposed to be good for 100,000 miles,so although expensive they are cost effective. and on a 2cv it saves the damage to heads not having to take them out all the time, so very cost effective in tht way.
100,000 miles! Not in a hubNut vehicle. More like 3000.Not because they wear out it is just the HubNut way of fixing things.
As I understand it you're not supposed to touch/measure the gap on Iridium plugs lest you damage them.
FWIW the Mazda3 Sport here (same engine as the Ford 2l Duratec) has Iridium plugs and the service schedule says replace at 75k miles.
@@Graham_Langley 100k was only what I had heard, I would be surprised if they did go that long, but if it is 75k like your service schedule says that's still very good.
The Toyota ‘hybrid’ engines use them. Probably never looked at during routine service at all, as they are awkward to get at, along with individual coils on top of each one. These engines are required to start and stop as you go along, so it’s essential that they work even when cold, every time.
Have you considered getting a Sierra?.
There seems to be a readily available source of spares nearby.
I don't know, but for some reasons watching 2CV service/repair/tinkering works do have special effect to my soul. It calms me down... (also the BURTON's one hour video of the 2CV reassemble).
I aneal my sump plug washer too, done loads of oil changes with no problem at all. Been reading the comments and thought to myself what a great bunch the hubnut community is.
Plugs which take heat away slowly run hotter which causes them to go white. I always understood that this meant they were hot plugs. There was a risk of damaging the top of a piston. A cool plug that took heat away quickly would be prone to being covered in soot. So the opposite of what you were saying. (mixture has an impact as well). BTW did you set the plug gaps? The iridium plugs (assuming you average 20mph) last at least 60,000 miles. That is double the normal 30,000 mile plug life. Driving in Wales without traffic jams to bring average speed down you could well touch 1/4 million miles on a pair of iridium plugs.
The access you get when you remove the wings and bonnet on a 2CV is remarkable. Just the thing when detailing the engine... ah, sorry, I'm commenting on the wrong channel. This is HubNut isn't it!
On a GT6 you get not only fabulous access but a wheel to sit on. Easy and comfortable.
I think the 2cv is the car you love to work on, maybe its ease of access, and not a complicated set up, does look like a car you can bodge up on a long road trip if needed , but all in all happy tinkering complete.
In my book, you didn't go wrong. A successful service AND correctly diagnosed a suspected problem.
I say you've earned a brew!
Great tinkering video, am always amazed at how simple the 2cv is to work on and easy to access with the wings removed.
A good trick with carburettor flanges is to grind them flat using a sheet of wet and dry sandpaper (wet) on a sheet of glass. With plenty of water on the surface
you can see when the finish covers the entire surface evenly that it is perfectly flat. They often distort around the bolt holes due to the softer insulating block, and
without levelling the surface, will always leak even with a new gasket.
I keep an old thick mirror glass for doing these and other parts.. works very well. (I use around 240 grit, but 180 would be fine)
Cheers.
Love it! Learned a whole lot in half an hour. Thanks for that. On to part 2!
I lasted 2.5 years of driving before I left the oil cap off. Day before MOT, made sure she was topped up. Then went to the shops. Engine sounded bit different but I put that up to pre-MOT worrying, it's just my head. Then it started to smell a bit funny so I pulled over. Oil everywhere. Thank god the cap was on top of the engine still. Got an advisory the next day for an oil leak, which I know full well was just spilled oil. Lesson learned.
The 2CV is such a simple little car, I was amazed at how the whole front assembly can be removed in minutes, certainly makes life easier for the home mechanic!.
I changed a gearbox on one and once the engine was removed the whole front of the car changed shape. I had to use some rope and a metal bar to pull it back to fit the bolts when replacing everything.
Elly videos always make me miss my old 2cv. I check occasionally and I know my old 2cv is still on the road.
Saved some money there. I checked my local dealer service menu and the “something approaching a service” option was over £200! Result.
Service modern - look at everything, tick sheet, if it was liquid , drain it and replace it, change filters.
The manifold only broke as you knocked over the bucket of success earlier in the video.
I can confirm that oil goes absolutely everywhere if you leave the 710 cap off an engine .... :-(
Me too. EVERYWHERE
Ah you had one of those caps that were made ǝpᴉsdn uʍop!
What a brilliant yet simple design! Great how you can take the panels off.
Yep Mrs G left the oil cap off as we travelled all the way from East Yorkshire to Derbyshire. What a mess when the bonnet was lifted.
You were lucky. A friend of mine had a fire under the bonnet after a "professional" forgot to put the oil cap back
Looks like a good general purpose engine oil. Used Shell Rotella in small engines, even though it's a diesel application, but found out since that is a good all round engine oil too.
Those plugs looked as if they were running very hot. And just as I'm typing this you discover the inlet air leak. I'm guessing that will be the cause of the weak mixture.
I used to have issues with those two big nuts at the back end of the wings. I think on my yellow 2CV I just used to slot the tangs under rather than risk the threaded rods pulling out.
Yeah, I remember that happening on my first 2CV!
We need a part 2 on this job???
YES 👍
Those rocker covers would make lovely little 2CV cake tins if you blocked the hole up :)
My '65 SAAB 95 had the same tread pattern Michelin tires when I bought it. Love narrow tired old Eurobeaters.
If your anything like me Ian every job I tick off I find at least another one more job to add to the list. 😅
Normally two, and not just cars.
@@highpath4776 It's encouraging to know this afflicts others too.
I was a bit unsure about undertaking jobs on camera for that reason but if it's good enough for Hub Nut it's good enough for me. 😅
I'll second that, but it's usually the mrs that finds me another, "when youv'e finished playing with that there's something important to do"
What I have never found a satisfactory answer to is why does that "big" job I've been putting off for 8 months only take 27 minutes when I finally get around to it?
Good video, nice to see the Yellow bucket of success also.
One of those jobs that you sometimes regret starting lol
So thank you, Elly, for bringing my lovely Hub Nut merchandise stuff to the post office! I'm waiting for it every day! 😊
Ian I enjoyed that.
Can I offer a recommendation for when you remove the carb, check the mating face for being true with a straight edge as the ruddy things warp over the years and some people,no not you ,over tighten to stop induction air leaks.
Moving on to the disposal of used oil filters,could the chaps at the MOT garage be able to help out with a donation to the Tea fund...or even the gift of a couple of high quality Hubnut beverage transport devices
Hello bucket! Just like my garage, forever tripping over stuff!
If I placed the bonnet the way Hubnut did, I guarantee yoi that I would have stepped on it. So probably I would have it way out of my working zone.
You did well Ian .full service completed .air leak is a separate problem .you’ll soon sort that out mate .great video as always
I used to use iridium plugs all the time until i found the tiny electrode tip broke off inside the bore when i took out the plug for the service.
Luckily no damage was done to the engine.
You got more power & economics with the iridiums, but when that tip broke off i went back to the beefy bosch super 4 plugs.
The bosch super 4's are a proper solidly made plug and i would never go back to the iridiums after that event.
Leaving the copper washer to cool naturally anneals them more effectively.
Very neat to see how the old girl is put together. Ellie is such a sweetheart.
This is why Hubnut is ace and real, good luck sorting Elly out
Hi Ian , I fitted Iridum Plugs to mine about 2 yrs ago and it instantly transformed the running and performance and now only needs choke on very cold starts
When I had my Maxi-Scooter it decided to lose it's oil filler cap/dipstick twice whilst in motion, a weird engine sound and some smoke told you that it had happened. The second time it happened the RAC bloke used epoxy putty to make a temporary replacement that actually worked pretty well. It got tightened up with pliers after that.
I can confirm leaving the oil cap open does indeed make a terrible mess, did it once on a Dyane I owned, thankfully only di a short run before realising!
You clearly have so much respect for the ol tin snail GOODLUCK with part 2
Cheers Ian, if only more you-tubers would show these jobs slowly, precisely and in real time. It annoys me when you get an engine strip and rebuild in 20mins, missing out half the job. Also the humour is an added bonus 😀. How is the primula going?
THANK YOU Ian , a disassembly video as promised .👍👍
Honestly this kind of content makes me wish I were Ellie. _And I know I'm definitely not the only one among all of you!_ 😭🤣
those skinny little michelin tyres remind me of old beetles and my 1971 volvo! they were hard to find in canada in the 70's especially in studded snow tyres for the volvo 15" rims
You have just reminded me my R8 needs a wash
Thank you for another great video, Ian. Life-affirming in its own way.
Hi I injoyed the video and I hope the hubnut family are OK take care thanks again 😊👍🏻
“Grease the greasy bits”, love it!
Adjustments and tinkering so satisfying good times!!👍
An amazingly simple easy to work on design brilliant. I've tried every type of oil the only difference I ever found was with super cheap oil burning.
I do love the sound of that little boxer engine. Good old Elly.
Is it bad that I've always just reused copper sump plug washers? I mean I've never had a leak and I don't tighten them like crazy either, they just never seen to give me any issues.
Shouldn't need annealing very often. I'd say once in 10 or more changes.
thanks for the mug and tools tshirt , my birthday!
Happy birthday!
@@HubNut thank you , mug survived transit 9other vans abailable) actually a combo on a 58 /09 reg
@@HubNut delivered by elly to post office so thank you Ian carly , Elly , HubLets
I thought white plugs mean running hot. I think you’ve found the problem with the air leak weakening the mixture and the rough idle.
Good diagnosis skills
Yes, you're right. Misdiagnosed initially.
The HubNut store, we have what we have. If we don't have it, you don't need it.
I need a "Not My Sierras" T shirt
I remember using the B8HS plugs in a Yamaha L1(?) 100cc twin cylinder two stroke!
Ian, I don’t know if you are aware of it, but there is a deliberate small hole on the underside of the intake manifold. I wonder if by spraying the manifold you blocked that tiny hole with water leading to your richening up of the air-fuel mixture. It could also be that the thick plastic carburetor insulation gasket below the carb has cracked. I have had that happen too. Anyway, best of luck figuring out the problem. In the interests of the exhaust valve life it would be a good idea to fix the problem ASAP. A lean mixture can take those out really quickly.
As far as I know, that hole is only a leak point for the main float bowl, so I wouldn't expect blocking it to make any difference. Suspect it's my crappy homemade gasket that's leaking.
Never understood why some people insist that you MUST fill the oil filter, especially since - as you point out - so many oil filters these days are either horizontal or even upside-down. The residual oil left on all the engine internals after a drain is more than enough to fully protect them for the few seconds it takes to build pressure again when you restart.
Their reasoning is a good one. It takes much longer for the engine to build up oil pressure (well ok, still seconds, but enough to damage) after an oil drain than a normal cold start.
WIt my Suzuki Baleno I have no issues to fill my filter with oil it fits fine,no spills there.
ask the Garage you use for work to dispose of the old oil filters for you
Hubnut knows more than he's letting on , this time it went o.k. Love the vids , always enjoy it when a new one comes out .
I was always taught 'tight is right, too tight is broke'.
I service 4 family cars and the new oil filters never come with a new crush washer.....Tip, Use high temperature silicone instead,they never leak then!
Replacement manifold: I am inevita... wait, where are you going?
For tune up like this I was taught not to over tighten any of the parts on any engine because if the break not problems & the filter always by hand.
Never seen a leak test quite so definitive! As good as the bubbles on my LPG conversion.... 😔
Did a few things with Scotty on the weekend. Plastic frame that holds the bulbs for the rear driver's side lights had a broken clip, and the passenger's side dipped light had its bulb wire retention clip missing. Whisky donated these bits. The week before I removed Whisky's SCU using new tool 99R027, better know as TX-STAR PLUS five sided security screw bit TPS25. Had to buy the full 23 piece set for £27.
I will have an extended Easter break (company's add on some furlough days) giving me 7 day to do the SCU and steering wheel swap, hopefully getting the horn to work.
This weekend maybe taking off Whisky's glass rear window, as Scotty's plastic one is spilt. It's been wearing the hard top since I got it. With the recent sunny weather here, thoughts of having top down have grown.
The correct term for 'Boxer' engines is 'horizontally opposed'.
"Not sure I want this Bonnet floating around above my head, so I'll just take it off" #SmugNut returns ! Great, genuinely really great video - practical mechanics for 2CV owners, saves a fortune going to a Dealer (or even Local Garage), inspires others to take the plunge, great content and another Elly secret (leaky carburetor) revealed !
Keep 'em comin'!
Much Luv
If memory serves,The Portuguese built ones had a habit of coming with only 3bolts holding the carb on the manifold,
I don't know about the UK but in the USA you can take used oil and filters to auto parts stores for disposal.
That's be a great solution! Sadly not one on offer here. Council tip takes oil, but not filters...
@@HubNut just drain out the oil, tear them appart, and hide them in your bin with the rest of the rubbish. I can't imagine a reason why the tip wouldn't take filters if they take oil
I think Bosch filters more often come with spare washers and o rings.
What spec are both of the Sierras?
When it comes to the valve clearances, only a bit more than original spec on the exhaust is fine as that is the valve that gets all the heat. The stock recommendation can still be applied even with modern fuels.
Thanks Ian.
Diesel engine oil generally has higher zinc levels etc that are good for old engines.
More vitamins and dinosaurs? Perfect.
Loved the closing shot! Echoes of a "Dune Buggy"! :)
Sierra's i want lol love my old school cars but i sertanly have a verry soft spot for a 80's/90's ford
Thank you for your detailed description. Can you comment on the Internet description of annealing,
the difference between annealing and tempering?
The difference between annealing and tempering comes down to how it is treated. Annealing involves heating steel to a specified temperature and then cooling at a very slow and controlled rate, whereas tempering involves heating the metal to a precise temperature below the critical point, and is often done in air, vacuum or inert atmospheres.
Did you dunk the hot washer in your hot tea or cold water? That sounds more like tempering from the above Internet description?
Copper behaves differently. It was definitely soft again after the treatment.
Do you not have to do the valve lash when the engine is stone cold on these? I also use cheap oil the service interval on a MK2 cavalier is 3000 miles I only do at most 1000 a year so a new filter and oil replacement is all that’s needed I think, that’s all part of the service is a chance to go over the engine to ensure that there are no potential future problems and that’s exactly what you done there so good work a thumbs up from me 👍 cheers. Steve.
By the time I got to it, the engine was cold.
Great video Ian, ever since I subscribed to your channel (many years ago) I've viewed the 2CV in a different light, in fact I would love to own one at some point, so thank you for opening my eyes to the gallic charm of the 2CV. I did used to own a Triumph Herald saloon as a daily driver and that equalled the 2CV for under bonnet access, another car that's easy to work on.👍🏻
Only Ian would pour oil into an engine from a bulk barrel and keep checking rather than pouring into some form of measuring jug beforehand 👍🏼😂
I can't see a connection between valve lash and unleaded fuel. Excess lash delays valve opening an advances valve closing. Both reduce volumetric efficiency and power. Could use a lower octane gasoline but unleaded in North America is the same octane # as the ancient leaded. I ran my DS 19 on 1/2 premium, half regular to save money (seldom went below half tank and just filled alternately) In the city where it was available I burned mid-grade. Had to change to hotter spark plugs for city driving to prevent fouling and remember to change to cold for highway trips towing the 2000# trailer.
I forgot to put the cap on twice and can confirm it gives big mess. Takes ages get it all clean
Iridium plugs were specifically developed for applications with a loooong service interval.
I have replaced the ones in my Toyota hybrid and they were in essence still OK after 67000km in use.
Iridium is a hardwearing metal that has very high conductivity, an ideal combination for sparkplugs giving a strong spark for a long time because the gap stays the same for longer.
You will find them in high power turbo engines like the Mitsubishi EVO's and also in Toyota hybrids.
They also work great in LPG fueled engines.
If you want to use them in your car you will need to pay more for them.
Just get the equivalant iridium plug for your engine using the same thread depth, same sealing surface, same heatrange, same other specs like resistance.
Before fitting i'd check the gap using some feeler gauges. And be carefull not to mess that gap up when installing them.
The idea is that the thin pointy electrode lowers the voltage needed to fire the plug. More exotic materials are needed to combat the rapid wear that would occur if conventional electrode materials were used.
My iridium plugs have been in my vectra for 50K miles. I often think I should change em. This makes be feel better.
Great video, good camerawork, excellent commentary. I have never seen that trick with the electrical contact cleaner. Those brown carb base heat spacers do crack occasionally but I will put a bet on you having to swap the engine again within the next 3 videos.
It was going so well too