Why won't my 2CV start? Let's fix it!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- Elly the 2CV conked out the other day. Let's find out why! Can we get her running again?
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Loving the old school Hubnut vlog…it’s what attracted me to the channel all those years ago😊
Although it was a successful conclusion so unlike a lot of early Hubnut vlogs😉
yes, I prefer this type of video, spannering is good.
Nice new camera, Ian, but is it me/my pc, or does the audio ever so slightly runs ahaed of sync after some time? I've refreshed a few times, and initially all is well, but some minutes later, the audio advances slightly.
No, it is very slightly out. I need to work out if it's the mic, the phone or the editing software.
I have the same ,strange
@@HubNut The spoken bit was out but I could ignore that as I just watched the tinkering, it was the impact noise when you were persuading things that was most obvious 😉
At least Elly made the prom and not let everyone down by conking out before, not after getting back, Phew!
Worth a look at The Late Brake Show. A 2CV resurrected and running sweet as a nut having stood in a garage for decades. The simple engineering means that these vehicles can be left for years and will simply start and run.
Just looked here to see if anyone else commented about Jonny's recent release. Perhaps Ian should consider putting in an offer for it and transfer all the working parts into Elly!
@@Laz_Arussomeone gave Ian basically a complete 2cv in parts a few years ago , it’s in that lock up somewhere I think
Coincidental to see the socket handle wiggle trick to get the fan off again.
It'd be interesting to see how the 123-Ignition has failed, may be a fun idea to have a cross-channel thing by sending one of the dead units to BigClive, as he enjoys taking such electronical things to bits, and you never know, might even find a fix for it too... :)
or to mymatevince
that is about the 4th time I have seen a 123-Ignition fail on youtube retro channels.. they might introduce more problems than they solve. But that might also be just bad luck.
@@olik136 In general, an engine is the worst place for electronics to be attached onto as it introduces vibrations, heat and contamination if there are any oil leaks, the other issue is lead-free solder, that stuff is just dreadful for such environments too as that'll fracture and cause parts to become disconnected, so could just be a case of needing a reflow with juicy lead-based solder to revive it, but that's just at a guess without seeing it inside...
@@twocvbloke sure sure- but on the other hand the standard ignition system has never failed me- you have to change some parts from time to time- but the failure mode is often just "runs a bit worse". Now that might be different on a big V8 with 300hp, but on all my cars I had zero problems with the up to 62 year old tech. But I might just have gotten lucky.
@@olik136 Personal choice though, some people want to have the improved response times, smoother power curves and with the fancier models, the ability to adjust timings and whatnot on the fly, it's not for everyone, but it's their choice to go with or without...
Thank you so much for a great video of old school tinkering. No faff (apart from the standard integral faff), no multiple angles. Just a well set up frame and you talking away. Only surprise was this tinkering was successful!
Enjoyed the tinkering mate. After owning a car for such a long time, your ears are the best diagnostic system available.
At least Elly had the decency to conk out at The Unit.
Not complaining, but is the sound out of sync?
Yeah, a little.
Yeah same for me, don't think I'd of noticed if hAdnt be for your comment 😂
Strangely, TH-cam is usually slightly out of sync for me, I put it down to a slow Internet connection, but this was bang on, must have been out by just the right amount! 👍
@@basfordw I never have a problem only time I've ever noticed is on older devices that just can't handle streaming the video and usually drop the quality down a bit solves the problem.
Very out of sync for me as well
Great to see some tinkering again Ian. Loving the safety sandals...
Nice and easy fix and Ellie is back on the road..and no notes released from the wallet, happy days 😁
Old HubNut is back! Love a bit of tinkering on a smartphone. Just like the old days!
wow, back to tinkering ! now you need to tinker with your video editing software to get the sound to stay in sync .
Well that was very un-hubnut - you're quite the master 2CV mechanic! Enjoyed watching you tinker and the old stories. Reminded me of your videos from a few years ago.
A Labour of love with Elly. Glad she is running again. Well Done Ian.
I would tie the car keys to the Peg then you have to take the peg out in order to start it.😊
She delivered & collected the important cargo. ❤
Rolling around on a shed floor with a 2CV engine reminds me of the good old days, just missing the brew and pony tail
Glad Elly did the business for little miss hubnut. Good to see you tinkering too, but in the name of all that is holy, please tidy the garage. The amount of space you lose, not to mention the time it takes you to find stuff.. rope the fam in, make a day of it, put a video out of you doing it and I promise i'll buy you all a cake of your choice via superthanks 😉 #fanbribery #incentive #tidygarage #hastag etc.
Well done. Good fix. Sounds really sweet when she fired straight up. Amazing that she'll also idle on 1 cylinder.
Very enjoyable tinker sesh, didn't Elly sound lovely in the end
Love it, felt like watching the Croatia-trip preparation calamity all over again.
Plus the title card at the end came so out lf the dark it got a proper laugh out of me.
nice to be back in the garage ian with some good results. all the best.
The video quality from the new Samsung is looking good. Looking forward to its continuing use. 👍
Ooh 4K, prom sounds a bit American
Absaloutly brilliant video Ian ❤👍 well done for fixing Ellie brilliant
Elly dropping all the hints she can for a larger engine.
Voting for an old school 2 valve BMW boxer engine.
Or, even though I don’t think that Ian could pull this off, maybe a BMW flying brick engine?
Hmmm... I've seen a few cashed Gold Wings/Valkyries. Would that lovely flat 6 fit by any means?
Nice to see some spannering going on Ian
Good job She died in the yard not when taking LMHN to her do
Okay, I have finally figured out this vlog! It's really about your complete lack of knowledge?! How does Mrs. Hubnut learn to drive with her car always in the lockup? the mind reels! 🤔
Back in the days when it was possible to fix cars with a basic toolkit....
It is a French car. If you don't speak French to them, they will ignore you. 😘
Luminition is the grandad of bolt on electronic ignition, very reliable and usually lasts the life of the car.
I’ve sat watching this in my underpants, I think it’s appropriate being a 2cv , well done Ian you do know your onions when it comes to the 2CV
With no ground you will see 12v on both sides....they are connected together! That's the winding!
4:18 You will get 12V on each terminal if the points happen to be open at the time
Yay, 👍 well done Ian. You're a braver man than me trusting that bonnet stay lol
It would be great if you could come to the US with Elle to the Import Show in Carlisle PA. The biggest assembly of French cars anywhere. Big JDM gathering. Citroën and Volvo, and Saab all have a lot of cars. I finally was given a ride in a 2 CV a few years ago.. I'm still smiling. Great video and channel.
What a lovely bit of old fashioned Mr HubNut tinkering. Great to see the old girl running again to.
I saw a blue 2CV here in Finland a few days ago and my first thought was Elly, a car that really touches a lot of peoples hearts
A successful tinkering video Elly lives
....and that.s why I've never bothered with electronic ignition, it seems less reliable then good old points Ian.
In 20 years and over 130,000 miles, I've had three electronic ignition failures, only one of which left the car non-running. When I had that camouflage Dyane, I had the condenser fail within 10 miles...
Congrats on the successful repair job! I think the "wasted spark" ignition was used on quite a few twins; may also explain why Harleys (and other motorbike twins) occasionally pop out the exhaust on startup. I wonder if "ThunderHead289's" "Carb Cheater" would work on the carburetors in Elly and Giselle? Looks like an interesting way to monitor fuel/air mixture, and as an aid to adjustments...Video quality w/ the new phone-cam is excellent; I did notice a very slight lag in the sound vs. the picture, though...Well-done on the tinkering!
Success! Elly is happy again. And Ian also. And us HubNutters as well. Have a nice trip with her… ☀️🤗☀️
Safety sandals!
Safety Mullet!
Redefining safety gear, inspired by David Freiburger.
Loved this, these videos start to give me confidence I can have a go tinkering with my 2cv
Liking the tinkering videos always nice when a plan comes together. Well done Ian sounds good
Like the 4k, sound sync good for me.
I love how simple old cars are
Great job, Ian. And great image quality of the new Galaxy S23 Ultra 😀😀
Happy new phone ... not used to the 4k quality suppose you have to dip your hand in pocket with 100K subs think I joined with. oppo ? shakey raw Jag collection caper
Did you edit this with your phone ? sound and vision not in sync typical hub nut and tinkering brilliant !
Last year my '65 Corvair electric ignition failed after about ten years of service. Not a lot of miles on it. I put points back in and will not be going back to the electronic ignition.
I've had so many condensers fail that I'd rather have a ten year failure...
Yep Before I watch it will be an electric problem almost certain if wrong I will send a gallon of unleaded........................🤠
Love the video,what fun
Yea, the audio sync was all a bit HubNut. That's the one thing I don't like with electronic ignition, when they fail it's a replacement job, at least points/condenser can be cleaned/changed at the roadside with minimum tools.
absolutely marvellous to see a tinkering video on Elly. Good times all around.
So nice to have tinkering, especially successful tinkering that identified and fixed the problem by a thoroughly rational process. And the accompanying anecdotes were great, too--I love the thought of Elly turning into a fire-breathing dragon (or rather, fire-farting dragon--I've never seen one of those at a Chinese New Year celebration, and I've seen some good dragons).
On your new phone: I haven't checked the comments, but I'm sure you've been told that the sound track is out of sync: I first noticed when you were giving the socket subtle persuasion with the hammer, which makes a good diegetic clapper board. But also out of sync when you're talking on camera.
The image quality is good--stabilisation satisfactory, the zoom is a good addition, and detail good (splendid definition of the hair on your arm in the close up). But since one of your motives for changing from the DJI was a lack of oomph in the pictures (I thought the grey Honda on a grey day was rather moody, but probably not good for the algorithm), you might want to tweak the colour, which is quite subdued.
I don't know what you've got on the Samsung, and it might be different for video than for stills, but a full set of controls will give you a slider for colour saturation; I think you need to push that up a bit, because the colours are quite muted even to my taste, and I like things quiet. There's also another control you sometimes get called "Vividness" or something like that; I don't understand it, but I think it increases differentiation between colours locally or summat--anyway, it gets you a little more punch in the colour without the overall effect getting absurd.
It is such a relief to see tinkering on Elly, where everything is visible and most of it accessible, and the relationships between the parts are clear. It must be a relief for you, too: I sometimes look at you struggling with a turbo diesel with fuel injection plumbing and air plumbing and complex electricals cramming the engine compartment, and I frankly boggle.
The 2CV is a delightfully simple machine including the 'wasted spark'contact breaker points.....that last forever, which begs the question why muck about with electronic ignition? I had a 1984 Special and I only replaced the points once, in the 6 years I owned it. Like wise the fan blade albeit noisey, worked perfectly well as it is. In winter we placed the OEM plastic grille muff in early November and took it off in April. Regular oil changes and spark plug changes(NGKs), a squirt of vegetable oil into the suspension cylinders was all that was required. So I fail to see why you need to mess with how Citroën made it. My only problems were brake failure due a rusty brake pipe(car was LHD) and chassis rot.🤷
Safety sandals, love it.
Standard operating procedure if you drop something heavy on foot:
Swear, eyes tight shut, deep breath, count toes, if 10 found, resume task, if not, call Miss Hubnut 👍
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I didn't have any joy with a 123, so I went points with vellman spark booster and two Lucas DB105 sport coils. and that system has served Me well without any problems for over 15 Years.
Might I suggest a Harley Davidson coil at least. Ecas sells them. Best Wishes Dee
Excellent tinkering video, although is it me or is the audio eversoslightly out of sync, I feel like it is just a cinch ahead of the images. I am quite sensitive to it, so maybe it's not that noticeable to others.
Image & stability are better, i have used a much less posh Samsung for a long time, and like it immensely. Still 4G LTE, but I'm no content creator......My one concession, I use a wallet phone case, in the event i drop it.....K I S S principle with old cars ( Keep It Stinkin' Simple) Cheers
I have a healthy supply of sh!the tent pegs, er I mean 2CV timing pegs should anybody want some.
I have no idea why a lot of tents come with crappy wire pegs and I have destroyed about a dozen just this weekend.
I recommend Y profile tent pegs for strength, durability and for not simply being dragged out of the ground when a whisp of wind passes.
Sorry for the OT Ian but I am just back from a couple of days of tent peg destruction...
Us Graeme Wilson's are quite resourceful 🤣. Little Miss H has taste, she looked fab for her Prom. I really doubted we'd get a tinkering fail on Elly as you really know her well.
I have a 10 year old 123 ignition that has done 60.000 km without problems, including trips of 1600km in 2 days.
This was interesting. I have the 1-2-3 on my charleston. Some time ago I install a rev-counter, but then the engine did not start. I did not find out why, so the counter was removed, and the engine startet. May be, after seeing your video, I can check why it did not work with the rev counter. I got some ideas after seeing the video. I will come back if I find what I did wrong.........
At some point, I'd recommend fitting slightly harder brake pads for the downhill brake use. I did that to my bikes.
It's a little worrying that a full electronic ignition fails. Imagine this happening to you at night when it's raining, in the middle of nowhere... :-(
I installed a "Grand Laurent" module. You disconnect the capacitor which is often a source of failure with new productions but you keep the contacts who "enslave" the module. Like a sort of relay, the module's transistors are responsible for cutting off and restoring the current sent to the coil. I installed a parallel circuit that allows the module to be bypassed and an outlet for a spare capacitor to be reconnected in the event of a breakdown, all without tools.
Euhm, could it be that the regulator is not working properly... It seems odd to have "cooked" more than one 123ignition unit ?
Super vid Ian, what you don't know about 2cvs isn't worth knowing, one thing was bugging me, a coat of black paint on your fan shroud, sorry mate bit of ocd , take care wonderful bit of tinkering.
Nice bit of tinkering. There may ba a small issue with sound sync though. Otherwise the video quality looks very good.
Who would of thought you can get a Bluetooth App for your 2CV engine nowadays.... I bet those big german cars don't have that hahaha
Ian the speach was not in sync :(
Excellent work!
I had a 2CV back in the late 1980s it would never start when it was damp out it did my head in on a normal car you could just take the dizzy cap off and spray some stuff in there and that was it but the 2CV you have to take half of the front off car looked lovely and rust free but the chassis was rotted out.
I love your Timing Peg, I found that a Paint roller Handle good. Almost like the drawing to make one in the Haynes Manual.
I was sitting listening to you whilst munching a few pistachios when you mentioned the new phone I look at the video...well from here it looks like a huge improvement in picture quality! Well done on the repair !
Shocker! Hub Nut vehicle fails to run! Never trust a mechanic in sandles...😳
great stuff i old school and just love the wiggle ect my fist car was a r reg 2cv6 vert bambo i took my test in it at 17 years old. 1979. did you see the real aussie bush mechanics when the put the coil in a coke can full of water and euk leaves think it was an old hq 202 holden they drove off in it .i love improvisation it used to be called a good bodge to get you out trouble 🤠😱
Ahhh nothing like a good tinkering!!! Harley went with water cooled heads due also to temperature control moreso for emissions.
Good use of the socket,screw driver, breaker bar 😅😅 Great vid. Evey home mechanic ever has been here with a points job.
Good old HutNut tinkering, I've missed this, more please.
Lovely video. Also very much love the higher bitrate on the video, everything looks very crisp!
Great to see you engaged in repairservicing buggery on Elly again Hubbers....
At 20.05 in the video, there is a flash across the top of the fan housing (right to left) maybe you have a short in that area?
Arh tinkering,that’s more like it, proper Hub Nut👍👍
Oh the spark plug tester isn't working. Drop on the ground. I wonder why haha.
Some classic tinkering time with Elly! Very enjoyable
Took me back. I used to keep a spare coil under my 2cv seat as swapping it would get it started.
thats a nice new camera/phone you've got 👍lovely video as usual. all the best to you and yours
Fully embracing the AU Falcon lifestyle with the mullet.
Gawd, will you stop hitting metal tools with other metal tools? Get a rubber mallet, please!
Great images with this new phone, but it seems that sound and image are not completely synchronized at the moment
Oooo so they make a Bluetooth 123 unit for a 2CV - who'd a thunk it?
OR a complete lack of compression, but let's hope it isn't that🤞
I loved my 2CVs and only moving overseas 30 years ago stopped me owning one.
Tidy up the wires Ian style just made me smile. Just do not show it to Tim or Weatlands
Same thing going on over at Late brake show.....too funny
8:00 Hubnut style! Your voice is out of sync with the video...
I'm convinced i seen a spark on the last stroke on the tester at 4.30 ian?