I think he means, because the commander is designed to be surrounded by relatively bad cards, you need your third spell for the turn to be worth the active trigger.
Still need some of the combo cards but I think I wanna take my Niv-Mizzet midrange deck and rebuild it around Stella Lee: sharing a lot of the ramp and interaction package that honestly is already the bulk of the rares and expensive cards to find, except now she can come down turn 2-3 on a good hand instead of 4-5 with Niv-Mizzet. Also there's some combos that kinda work for both: I do run Dualcaster Mage + Blur on the Niv-Mizzet deck to just loop draw all of the deck so this should work with Stella as well instead of Dualcaster Mage as long as she can have haste, which probably will help her get to Storm count 3 anyways.
With your deck in your hand it’s pretty easy to find a winning line and lab maniac is just a dead card if you aren’t comboing off. It’s also pretty easy with the card draw trigger on the stack to snipe the lab man causing us to lose the game. cEDH is all about card quality and your deck being 1% better than the next guys.
@@Valiwali70 you definitely can but it’s a needless hoop. It’s also pretty mana intensive when you consider how efficient ritual into defense grid into twisted fealty is. It’s also worth noting if they counter defense grid we can still go for the win if they counter lab man our win attempt is over. I guess it’s not over you’d still draw your deck but if we can easily win with our deck in our hand without lab man why are we running lab man right? I hope this helps :)
I recently bought the precon and I admit that the potential for it to be an extremely strong deck is there! Your build is really performing but I was wondering if you will make a more budget competitive list, my playgroup and I don't play with proxed cards and clearly LED and wheel of fortune cards are not affordable. Also I admit that I also played Eris, the second commander of the deck and it's really interesting, it puts a lot of pressure on the table. What do you think about it?
Just saying but this card with make mischief and thornbite staff deals infinite damage, while traitorous greed and involuntary employment give infinite mana. Bloody betrayal gives infinite blood tokens.
@@ryanhefner2011 it should pop up in scryfall as _ goblin That being said it doesn't show rulings on it but you have a pile of sticker cards (I think 10 of them?) and reveal the top 3 at the start of the game and those are the cards you can pick stickers from. There are ones that achieve the maximum mana off of one name sticker but the clear standout one is mind for psychological damage
@ryanhefner2011 ___ goblin or mind goblin is the card. You can get the name sticker goblin card proxied but it was not printed anywhere. Name sticker goblin was a card made for mtgo since they didn't use stickers. I'd be sure to rule 0 name sticker goblin since it's only on mtgo otherwise proxy the sticker sheets and run __ goblin. I have this subbed for counterbalance in my list because the drama behind the card is something I want to avoid and it should be a mid range list
You cast one. Hold priority, copy the spell and target stella lee. You untap her, giver her haste and most importantly a wicked role attached to her. After you let the copy resolve you tap her again to copy the original spell. You rince and repeat infinitely. The trick is the wicked role you attach to her each time. Because it's written a creature can only have one role attached to it at the same time, every time you put a new wicked role on her, the previous one is destroyed, and when a wicked role is destroyed it deals one damage to each opponent
For the cedh lists, id love to see some mulligans after you explain the list. It would be super helpful when it comes to piloting the decks
1:00 “So we wanna include some certain cards that are very good” lol my guy. I hope that’s every deck!
I think he means, because the commander is designed to be surrounded by relatively bad cards, you need your third spell for the turn to be worth the active trigger.
I took a twisted fealty in my precon and it is a banger 3:0 now for the first three game :D
The whole deck is premium.
Finale of fortune
Still need some of the combo cards but I think I wanna take my Niv-Mizzet midrange deck and rebuild it around Stella Lee: sharing a lot of the ramp and interaction package that honestly is already the bulk of the rares and expensive cards to find, except now she can come down turn 2-3 on a good hand instead of 4-5 with Niv-Mizzet.
Also there's some combos that kinda work for both: I do run Dualcaster Mage + Blur on the Niv-Mizzet deck to just loop draw all of the deck so this should work with Stella as well instead of Dualcaster Mage as long as she can have haste, which probably will help her get to Storm count 3 anyways.
Just got the precon yesterday, waiting for the other singles to make the synergistic commander so far
Why not Lab Maniac with the "draw my deck" combo?! 🤔
With your deck in your hand it’s pretty easy to find a winning line and lab maniac is just a dead card if you aren’t comboing off. It’s also pretty easy with the card draw trigger on the stack to snipe the lab man causing us to lose the game. cEDH is all about card quality and your deck being 1% better than the next guys.
you can win turn 3 or 4 with that very combo
@@Valiwali70 you definitely can but it’s a needless hoop. It’s also pretty mana intensive when you consider how efficient ritual into defense grid into twisted fealty is. It’s also worth noting if they counter defense grid we can still go for the win if they counter lab man our win attempt is over. I guess it’s not over you’d still draw your deck but if we can easily win with our deck in our hand without lab man why are we running lab man right? I hope this helps :)
Awesome deck tech thank you!
I recently bought the precon and I admit that the potential for it to be an extremely strong deck is there!
Your build is really performing but I was wondering if you will make a more budget competitive list, my playgroup and I don't play with proxed cards and clearly LED and wheel of fortune cards are not affordable.
Also I admit that I also played Eris, the second commander of the deck and it's really interesting, it puts a lot of pressure on the table.
What do you think about it?
Yes to budget, but also just tell your friends to stop being ridiculous. The only difference between a proxie and a real card is money
i went to pre release and had a twisted fealty just hanging out. just threw it in
Stella Lee!!!
Look at this slacker
And then Nadu was printed....
Do cEDH players just proxy LED or do people really be dropping $500 on that card?
It’s a super proxy friendly format. 😁
@@decktechsfordecks Thank goodness 😅
Literally play with folks who have full proxy decks including basics. We have a good time and still wanna eat and pay bills
Just saying but this card with make mischief and thornbite staff deals infinite damage, while traitorous greed and involuntary employment give infinite mana. Bloody betrayal gives infinite blood tokens.
Name Sticker Goblin is surely a fake card right? The ____ Goblin has you put a sticker on it and add mana for each Vowel.
It's a legal card from unfinity
@@swolegolisopod7340 I can't find it anywhere. How does that work?
@@ryanhefner2011 it should pop up in scryfall as _ goblin
That being said it doesn't show rulings on it but you have a pile of sticker cards (I think 10 of them?) and reveal the top 3 at the start of the game and those are the cards you can pick stickers from. There are ones that achieve the maximum mana off of one name sticker but the clear standout one is mind for psychological damage
@ryanhefner2011 ___ goblin or mind goblin is the card. You can get the name sticker goblin card proxied but it was not printed anywhere. Name sticker goblin was a card made for mtgo since they didn't use stickers. I'd be sure to rule 0 name sticker goblin since it's only on mtgo otherwise proxy the sticker sheets and run __ goblin. I have this subbed for counterbalance in my list because the drama behind the card is something I want to avoid and it should be a mid range list
is this deck tech for me? not sure if it’s clear through the internet but i myself am not a deck.
nice
I still without get how you get infinite copies of twisted fealty somobody can explain me pls?
You cast one. Hold priority, copy the spell and target stella lee. You untap her, giver her haste and most importantly a wicked role attached to her. After you let the copy resolve you tap her again to copy the original spell. You rince and repeat infinitely. The trick is the wicked role you attach to her each time. Because it's written a creature can only have one role attached to it at the same time, every time you put a new wicked role on her, the previous one is destroyed, and when a wicked role is destroyed it deals one damage to each opponent
Ohhh now I understand thanks bro@@roidesizzets
Second 😢
So close buddy
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Bro you are too fast 😂😂
@@fury_1404that’s what my girlfriend says too 😢/jk
Ban Stella!
No
where twisted fealty is good its so terrible card I don't understand u
it's infinite damage if you cast it with any two other spells while your commander is on the board
The wicked role replacing itself deals infinite damage
So the wicked role counters go on Stella?
@@AntonioBaker-q4o yes
I thought you can’t “gain control of a creature” that you already control?