Well, I think payday 2 you get a slight pass because you can just turn off moded lobbies so you can get a vanilla experience, but if they are doing it on vanilla lobbies, then your an asshole
back when big oil came out and it was the hardest level in the game this guy just spawned like a hundred dallas bots so we could clear the whole map out lmao
Co-op games like lethal company and payday kind of get a pass. It's not like your day is ruined or anything, and depending on how fun they are it can be more fun than the vanilla game for a while.
I flat out believe folks that sell cheats and that do cheat should be sued and sent a cease and desist letter. If violated, they should have their PC confiscated and scrapped.
my view on cheating: if you cheat to make others miserable, screw you if you cheat to goof around with others and just make good times, sure, go ahead, just play it safe
Tbh i love cheaters who just mess around and make everything more fun for everyone else. Id kill to run into one of those lobby exploiters in phighting
they arent goign to pay, no one is ever going to pay, also you cannot sue someone if you do not know their personal information. also they can decide to just host their website on a bulletproof host which no one can take down, especially law enforcement since thats the point
at this point, cheat makers should just work _for the game company_ to make better bot AI; it'd be an actually useful application for their knowledge on faking a human player, and a win-win, as the cheat maker would have a cash incentive from the job, and the game would benefit by having better NPCs
This. EO got destroyed for being too in the open. Cheat makers will just keep hiding behind more smokescreens while moving to shittier and shittier countries. So long as there is money to be made it will never stop.
I'll admit my sins. I downloaded an Among Us cheat engine when I was 11, and proceeded to have a lot of fun decimating lobbies with stupid garbage hacks.
If the game can be hacked by cheat engine, it deserves to be hacked by cheat engine. Cheat engine is infamously easy to detect because it has to attach itself to the game for most stuff, so the game can easily know when you're using it.
the reason people cheat is typically having been bullied or otherwise having a power complex, but instead of getting super good at the game and sweating lobbies full of casuals, they turn to cheating instead. It's basically wanting the power fantasy of being a tryhard, but without any of the skill and time investment that comes with that.
@@newking5628 my best guess is because the movement techs you can pull off can make you go RIDICULOUSLY fast. And some people might not wanna put in that effort to aim.
@@newking5628 precisely. It's even funnier when you see them still get destroyed because they put all their eggs into the basket of cheating and have next to no gamesense or awareness
or for example, there are ways to cheat in multiplayer without affecting everyone else. for example: GTA V i just had some simple QOL things like being able to change active car and spawn it closer to me, but that got me banned sadly. rip spending hours with friends just doin some funny shit
i remember when some guy invited me to a private match with me and 4 others, they had a toggle menu that allowed us to place props and fly and we built a castle out of cars pretty fun, i think cheating is fine if its on a private server and everyone can have a littler fun just breaking the game
I know one friend who cheated just to see what it was all about using a old computer they were planning on scrapping, they played for about an hour before basically coming to the conclusion that it was extremely boring after the first initial rush of "oh wow this is funny"
i got banned for "cheating" in gta 5. i literally just installed a client that added some QOL (quality of life) things (such as changing active garage car without having to go into the garage and select it manually) and prevented me from being crashed and kicked from other cheaters. cheating in stuff like cod tho? horrendous.
Lawful Evil versus Chaotic Evil I just hope that this adds further precedence to allow companies to sue the pants off cheaters for legal damages instead of turning out how to be a loophole these slimebags which turns out to be a curse, like most bargains with lawful demons tend to be. remember your soul is your own and nobody can have it.
I wish Valve would do this with TF2's bot hosters, especially after I encountered my first latency abuser last week. It's very unlikely anything will be done but if they could DMCA a community project they could do the same with the shit infesting this game for the last five years...
I think the problem with suing bot hosters is we don't really know who does it, and with so many bot hosters, it would be near impossible to get them all, that's just my opinion tho, I'm not an expert, and I am probably dead wrong
@@Bupboy That's it really. You take down a hoster, and another guy just takes the software and hosts their own. For someone that knows simple hosting, it is easier than installing TF2 itself.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." If I have to side with companies like Activision Blizzard to ensure there is less cheating in video games, I'll do it gladly.
Wonder how long it will be until a company sues a mod creator that makes a QOL mod because it "made the game easier" by shortcutting menus. Or maybe because they allowed for autoloot with a whitelist.
the only other exceptions ill make for cheaters are for (most) bethesda games because they're unplayable without unofficial patches that count as cheats
Cheaters haven't just ruined the game, they've also made it LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOME PEOPLE TO PLAY THE GAME. Anticheats use kernel level access, which doesn't work with proton (the thing that lets you play windows games on linux) which is why you can't play many online games on the steam deck or other linux devices.
I mean CODZ Mod Menus are fun cheats to play with and it’s a coop based mode so you cheating can help your team and could be an overall fun experience to play once in a while
I kinda hope that this sets a precedent for companies to have a go at cheater/bot hosters, because let's be real, nothing else would stop them. It doesn't matter if the game's free or $60-$70, if there's a functioning anti-cheat or not, or if the cheaters/bots get banned, some folks will do whatever it takes to be a nuisance. So, if folks get hit with a big ass fine for hosting cheats or bots, it'll hopefully act as a deterrent.
@@rompevuevitos222 There's a difference between mods, meant to be fun alterations of a game, and cheats, used to give players unfair advantages against other players.
@@ajgameguy3674 Yes there is. We reasonable people know this. Do you think a court will know this? After Take-two, EA, Activision, etc spend millions of dollars on an army of lawyers to convince them otherwise? Not to mention we've been through this song and dance before with the pirates. They all moved their sites to Russia or other countries. The pirates weren't defeated and neither will the cheaters. If kernel level anticheat was not enough to stop them I see no reason this would be
I used to cheat, but I did it to give limited or removed items that are impossible to have without cheating or be one of the few who survived. So I would give it to people for free under the understanding that it was cheated in.
Yeah, normalize suing cheaters imo. Titanfall 2 was single handedly killed by some random guy who just kept ddosing the servers because of his power fantasy apparently. Stupid bullshit imo
We really can thank Twitch and streamers for this cheater epidemic. Pretending to be a master player in front of an audience grants a financial incentive to cheat all on its own. They don't care if it's boring because they get clout and cash.
I can understand cheating in single player games because no one is really getting hurt. But cheating in a multiplayer game is just sad, especially with cases like TF2 where the bot makers are just doing it to ruin the fun for everyone for their own enjoyment like a bunch of bullies.
The only time cheating is fun is on singleplayer games that ALLOW you to cheat. If it's not allowed, there's probably a reason. And it's typically ruining a public experience.
Why would you be happy for this? I don't like cheaters but I think that giving the power of suing programmers to big corporations is a step in the wrong direction. The other horrible thing is what you mentioned at 2:00 about GTA and Minecraft. Sometimes games are designed to be grinded down to the bone before any real content is delivered that was advertised in the launch of the game alike a lot of big AAA games now. Passive mods could be now endangered because of just the thought of being sued and don't get me fucking started on Nintendo and what legal power they'd abuse now
client side anticheat will never fully work. you can always remove it or bypass it somehow, and if you need it to connect to a server, someones gonna figure out how to spoof it. server side anticheat measures are better because 1: they arent invasive and 2: they cant be removed by individual players.
Not really. In many places those "laws" are unenforceable because you PAID for the product, therefore you have the right to do whatever you want with it within the privacy of your own computer. The law cannot protect you from sharing the software ofc, but hacking a game is completely legal.
@@rompevuevitos222 Yes, but no. Copyright, as usual, ruins everything. It is legal to hack a game, so long as you do not in any way tamper with or bypass the DRM. Of course this DRM usually makes modding the game without removing it impossible. Good luck proving you didn't modify the DRM while modifying the game files.
I actually never cheated in GTA V. If anything the amount of stuff you can do makes the grind way easier. On the main topic, SCREW Engineowning, glad Activision for once in millennia, did the right thing here.
As much as this is a win It kind of sets a dangerous precedent that instead of patching the cheats, big game companies should instead sue the provider of the cheats and ruin their lives Generally it's a win and lose
The anti-cheat in Rust is not very good. However, the playerbase is rabidly opposed to cheaters, and server admins tend to be pretty good at manually banning cheaters. Some Rust admins even have TH-cam channels where they mess with cheaters before banning them.
Wish valve should do this.
I met a payday 2 cheater once...... they spawned a million dollar bags for us and got us a massive offshore bank account..... *Best game i ever had*
Had the same thing happen to me. The guy just started floating then vomited bags of gold.
Well, I think payday 2 you get a slight pass because you can just turn off moded lobbies so you can get a vanilla experience, but if they are doing it on vanilla lobbies, then your an asshole
back when big oil came out and it was the hardest level in the game this guy just spawned like a hundred dallas bots so we could clear the whole map out lmao
@@AleK0451Dallas, Chains, Dallas, Hoxton, Dallas, Wolf, Dallas, Dallas and Dallas
Co-op games like lethal company and payday kind of get a pass. It's not like your day is ruined or anything, and depending on how fun they are it can be more fun than the vanilla game for a while.
I don't mind Cheaters if they glitch money In GTA Online, Because Rockstar Don't deserve Us buying Sharkcards.
Activision are still Evil.
They literally give free money constantly now just to get people to play GTA online
Activision is evil, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. In this situation, at least.
I flat out believe folks that sell cheats and that do cheat should be sued and sent a cease and desist letter. If violated, they should have their PC confiscated and scrapped.
@@fortunatebumhow would they enforce that though if they bought a new pc and diffrent email
@@fortunatebum Cheating in a video game is not a legal offense. Making the cheats even less so.
So no.
if you can't beat em, sue em.
shake
Nintendo: Always works for us
Valve oughta learn to do this
@eliscroggs5505 took the thought out of my head lmao
Ah yes the Nintendo approach
the original title of this video was "activision just got rid of cheaters (kind of)"
If only this was TF2…
Tf2 sniper bots…
I did not know that spy crabs existed to mock aim botters .
So basically
I don't care if Activision wins I just need cheaters to lose
how does brow turn "hey activision sued a hack client web site that's pretty cool" into 8 minutes
Me who cheats in single player games that arent fun hearing everyone hates me:
👁👄👁
Lmao
my view on cheating:
if you cheat to make others miserable, screw you
if you cheat to goof around with others and just make good times, sure, go ahead, just play it safe
Tbh i love cheaters who just mess around and make everything more fun for everyone else. Id kill to run into one of those lobby exploiters in phighting
Normalise suing cheat sites and such
Lets get a class action lawsuit agaisnt the d-bag that decided to ruin tf2 for most of the fanbase
they arent goign to pay, no one is ever going to pay, also you cannot sue someone if you do not know their personal information. also they can decide to just host their website on a bulletproof host which no one can take down, especially law enforcement since thats the point
Tf2 cheaters insane someone was looking into the cheats and some guy acted to be that guys old gf to make him look like a p3do
YES
That wont work, they're most likely russian
@@Iockbit
THEY MUST BE DOXXED THEN
Take notes, Valve.
Not unless your a billionaire
@@kserratataking action on what's harming your game is not how it works ?
@@kserratahope your not a fanboy a whale or a cheater you need help
The only way to get rid of bots
Cheaters are literal cockroaches
Games should have a "paper rock scissors " armor encryption pattern to protect players from aim bots .
never thought I'd see Smitty on this channel.
na we loose
if only valve could do that for tf2
If only respawn could do that for tf2
They can, they just dont want to
at this point, cheat makers should just work _for the game company_ to make better bot AI; it'd be an actually useful application for their knowledge on faking a human player, and a win-win, as the cheat maker would have a cash incentive from the job, and the game would benefit by having better NPCs
me who didnt even had the thought of cheating in gta V: uhhhhh
Man I miss when people play games for fun
The less cheating there is, the less likely we'll need kernel level anticheats
That's not how it works...
@@rompevuevitos222 please let me dream
@@Chesnutthousedon’t listen to that guy he is spamming troll comments on every comment here
@@colinrobinson9858 oh, i was being like sarcastic/joking. like "a guy can dream" thing
JUST HOLD X (on keyboard) TO DROP THE SHIELD PACK
Now if Valve did that to TF2 bot sites that would be a good thing.
Bad vs. worse.
The issue is that most of these websites are hosted in Russia where they can never get successfully sued by a foreign company.
Same reason why many pirate websites are hosted in Russia, btw.
This. EO got destroyed for being too in the open. Cheat makers will just keep hiding behind more smokescreens while moving to shittier and shittier countries. So long as there is money to be made it will never stop.
@sarvashaktimaan7106 you win some you lose some
Now if only valve did this
When i cheat i don't play multiplayer games and its usually goofing around
Incredibly rare Activision W
I will admit I have used chests once..but uh they made me worse like lowered damaged lowered speed, slower aimming, I did win but not fun
Cheating is ok in single player but if you get in a multiplayer game and cheat you will be dragged down to hotter than hell wherever that is
if only VALVE would do something like this, maybe tf2 wouldn't be not playable for half of the day
Na the difference is that this is a massive distributor and not 20 guys in there mothers basement
they can't since they're probably not in america
Cheaters catching L's will always be a delight. I don't like to applaud Activision, but in this case, I will.
agreed
I second that
I'll admit my sins. I downloaded an Among Us cheat engine when I was 11, and proceeded to have a lot of fun decimating lobbies with stupid garbage hacks.
Hey at least you had the pride to admit, unlike most cheaters
So that makes you 14-15 now? [I am also close to 15]
Same
If the game can be hacked by cheat engine, it deserves to be hacked by cheat engine.
Cheat engine is infamously easy to detect because it has to attach itself to the game for most stuff, so the game can easily know when you're using it.
@@rompevuevitos222 Bait used to be believable
Cheating is based in all of its definitions.
Now it's tf2's turn to deal with cheaters
Sometimes in Minecraft I turn on fly hacks and say I’m magical Marvin on mic to my friends
As long as cheaters don't ruin the experience of others I think they are cool (I played with a few cheaters in GTA and it was very funny)
Being fair, what is the difference between a cheater and someone with the opressor?
GTA V is a P2W crap hole.
Cheats are the drugs of gaming .
We? Whos we? Activision doesnt deserve any Ws
I hate people who cheat in PvP games (I couldn't care less about PvE or single player cheaters) but I hate Activision more. A LOT more.
honestly the most fun part of cheating is making them, tinkering around seeing what you can do in games that you didn't make
Cheaters don't deserve thumbs
The reason people cheat is because
1: they exclusively lose
2: life is too short to lose 10000000 times just for one win
Spatnz video on The Finals when, It's a super fun and interesting game
Valve...
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
the reason people cheat is typically having been bullied or otherwise having a power complex, but instead of getting super good at the game and sweating lobbies full of casuals, they turn to cheating instead. It's basically wanting the power fantasy of being a tryhard, but without any of the skill and time investment that comes with that.
*They had cheats for Titanfall 2*
Me: Now, this just got personal
titanfall has even less reason to cheat i mean the game got built in cheats with the sp and pulse blade
@@newking5628 my best guess is because the movement techs you can pull off can make you go RIDICULOUSLY fast. And some people might not wanna put in that effort to aim.
@@thomasmurrell9832 sounds like a skill issue to me cheaters will never get good
@@newking5628 precisely. It's even funnier when you see them still get destroyed because they put all their eggs into the basket of cheating and have next to no gamesense or awareness
FixTF2??
The background video is just hilarious
In single player games, where it doesn't affect anyone else
Or
If you cheat in a really *really* stupidly funny way
or for example, there are ways to cheat in multiplayer without affecting everyone else.
for example: GTA V
i just had some simple QOL things like being able to change active car and spawn it closer to me, but that got me banned sadly. rip spending hours with friends just doin some funny shit
The GTA ones where you spawn massive mechs made of tanks were fun
One time a dude spawned in zombies that explofed into rainbows on death in a tdm match in Black Ops 2 lmfao
@@firewalldaprotogenhello other protogen
Would an acceptable cheat in multiplayer games be like, turning everyone in giant rubber ducks? Is that level of stupidity acceptable?
i remember when some guy invited me to a private match with me and 4 others, they had a toggle menu that allowed us to place props and fly and we built a castle out of cars pretty fun, i think cheating is fine if its on a private server and everyone can have a littler fun just breaking the game
except the dude has said he's just gonna keep doing it 💀💀💀
0:50
HOLD X TO DROP THE BACKPACK SO THE RESUPPLY DOESNT CRUSH YOU
Was wondering if anyone else noticed the game footage-
You can see the exact moment when he realized he was going to die
Valve
For tf2s sake
Please take notes
Damn that’s crazy
I've grew up in the days of cheat codes on PS2, and with everyone cheating now, it's not fun.
The only time I’ve done cheating was for fun and to make it fun for other people.
I know one friend who cheated just to see what it was all about using a old computer they were planning on scrapping, they played for about an hour before basically coming to the conclusion that it was extremely boring after the first initial rush of "oh wow this is funny"
i got banned for "cheating" in gta 5. i literally just installed a client that added some QOL (quality of life) things (such as changing active garage car without having to go into the garage and select it manually) and prevented me from being crashed and kicked from other cheaters. cheating in stuff like cod tho? horrendous.
Team fortress fans watching this:
We won…
YES
Lawful Evil versus Chaotic Evil
I just hope that this adds further precedence to allow companies to sue the pants off cheaters for legal damages
instead of turning out how to be a loophole these slimebags which turns out to be a curse, like most bargains with lawful demons tend to be. remember your soul is your own and nobody can have it.
Having more cheaters in games is probably a direct consequence of EVERY GAME being a TRANSACTION TRASH CAN
real
@@firewalldaprotogen And now they sue, thats a joke, but noone is laughing
I see this comment two ways
One - defending cheating
Two - something else I don't know
@@iHaveNoFather873 See it this way:
One - Companies that make Games, Force people to cheat
Two - Companies that make Games are mostly Evil
What are you talking about? EVERY COMPETITIVE GAME has cheaters no matter if it's good or not or are you telling me csgo is a transaction trash can
you make "cheats" not sound like a word anymore
More money for Activision sounds horrendous.
There’s no way you failed that stratagem 2 times in a row
I wish Valve would do this with TF2's bot hosters, especially after I encountered my first latency abuser last week. It's very unlikely anything will be done but if they could DMCA a community project they could do the same with the shit infesting this game for the last five years...
I think the problem with suing bot hosters is we don't really know who does it, and with so many bot hosters, it would be near impossible to get them all, that's just my opinion tho, I'm not an expert, and I am probably dead wrong
@@Bupboy That's it really.
You take down a hoster, and another guy just takes the software and hosts their own.
For someone that knows simple hosting, it is easier than installing TF2 itself.
You don't NEED kernel level anti-cheat to detect kernel level cheats. It's just one of the ways that you can detect them.
As if kernel anticheat was designed for anything other than data collection lol
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." If I have to side with companies like Activision Blizzard to ensure there is less cheating in video games, I'll do it gladly.
Wonder how long it will be until a company sues a mod creator that makes a QOL mod because it "made the game easier" by shortcutting menus.
Or maybe because they allowed for autoloot with a whitelist.
the only other exceptions ill make for cheaters are for (most) bethesda games because they're unplayable without unofficial patches that count as cheats
So Activision can do something Valve can’t
Activision is better than Valve by that technicality
Let that sink in-
Cheaters haven't just ruined the game, they've also made it LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOME PEOPLE TO PLAY THE GAME. Anticheats use kernel level access, which doesn't work with proton (the thing that lets you play windows games on linux) which is why you can't play many online games on the steam deck or other linux devices.
Rare Activision W
I mean CODZ Mod Menus are fun cheats to play with and it’s a coop based mode so you cheating can help your team and could be an overall fun experience to play once in a while
I kinda hope that this sets a precedent for companies to have a go at cheater/bot hosters, because let's be real, nothing else would stop them. It doesn't matter if the game's free or $60-$70, if there's a functioning anti-cheat or not, or if the cheaters/bots get banned, some folks will do whatever it takes to be a nuisance.
So, if folks get hit with a big ass fine for hosting cheats or bots, it'll hopefully act as a deterrent.
And soon enough mods will also be illegal...
@@rompevuevitos222 There's a difference between mods, meant to be fun alterations of a game, and cheats, used to give players unfair advantages against other players.
Yeah you tell that to the companies when they sue you for using mods
@@ajgameguy3674 Yes there is. We reasonable people know this. Do you think a court will know this? After Take-two, EA, Activision, etc spend millions of dollars on an army of lawyers to convince them otherwise?
Not to mention we've been through this song and dance before with the pirates. They all moved their sites to Russia or other countries. The pirates weren't defeated and neither will the cheaters. If kernel level anticheat was not enough to stop them I see no reason this would be
I used to cheat, but I did it to give limited or removed items that are impossible to have without cheating or be one of the few who survived. So I would give it to people for free under the understanding that it was cheated in.
2:09 there's some genuine rage there
Yeah, normalize suing cheaters imo. Titanfall 2 was single handedly killed by some random guy who just kept ddosing the servers because of his power fantasy apparently. Stupid bullshit imo
We really can thank Twitch and streamers for this cheater epidemic. Pretending to be a master player in front of an audience grants a financial incentive to cheat all on its own. They don't care if it's boring because they get clout and cash.
I can understand cheating in single player games because no one is really getting hurt. But cheating in a multiplayer game is just sad, especially with cases like TF2 where the bot makers are just doing it to ruin the fun for everyone for their own enjoyment like a bunch of bullies.
Pretty sure Theas baster ds are ones making cheats for titan fall 2 meaning now them gone might have less cheaters now in titan fall 2
Couldn't focus on the video to busy thinking about how you threw a resupply on yourself 0:39
Old school Souls cheaters were some of the most helpful and goofy players out there.
The only time cheating is fun is on singleplayer games that ALLOW you to cheat. If it's not allowed, there's probably a reason. And it's typically ruining a public experience.
Why would you be happy for this? I don't like cheaters but I think that giving the power of suing programmers to big corporations is a step in the wrong direction. The other horrible thing is what you mentioned at 2:00 about GTA and Minecraft. Sometimes games are designed to be grinded down to the bone before any real content is delivered that was advertised in the launch of the game alike a lot of big AAA games now. Passive mods could be now endangered because of just the thought of being sued and don't get me fucking started on Nintendo and what legal power they'd abuse now
client side anticheat will never fully work. you can always remove it or bypass it somehow, and if you need it to connect to a server, someones gonna figure out how to spoof it. server side anticheat measures are better because 1: they arent invasive and 2: they cant be removed by individual players.
If you hack into a game, that’s hacking, which is illegal. So it is completely fine to sue these people.
Not really. In many places those "laws" are unenforceable because you PAID for the product, therefore you have the right to do whatever you want with it within the privacy of your own computer.
The law cannot protect you from sharing the software ofc, but hacking a game is completely legal.
@@rompevuevitos222 Yes, but no. Copyright, as usual, ruins everything. It is legal to hack a game, so long as you do not in any way tamper with or bypass the DRM. Of course this DRM usually makes modding the game without removing it impossible. Good luck proving you didn't modify the DRM while modifying the game files.
Great! Now Valve should do the same
I hope the cheating gets so bad that it kills multiplayer gaming and ushers in a new era of single player and coop gaming.
We need this, but for the tf2 bots
The only issue is that this may set a president against modding, and such. Many company's hate when people make there game better.
I actually never cheated in GTA V. If anything the amount of stuff you can do makes the grind way easier. On the main topic, SCREW Engineowning, glad Activision for once in millennia, did the right thing here.
As much as this is a win
It kind of sets a dangerous precedent that instead of patching the cheats, big game companies should instead sue the provider of the cheats and ruin their lives
Generally it's a win and lose
The anti-cheat in Rust is not very good. However, the playerbase is rabidly opposed to cheaters, and server admins tend to be pretty good at manually banning cheaters. Some Rust admins even have TH-cam channels where they mess with cheaters before banning them.
Surely this could end up screwing over mods though right?
Imagine if TF2 could do it
Cheaters never get bored!!! There are still hackers in black ops 2 multiplayer just auto killing the small lobbies that exist
I think the only reason activision sued them is because of the “unlock all” feature (1:33 in the misc tab)