Just took delivery of my manual M4 (Brooklyn Gray) yesterday and love it. Traded a 2018 AMG E63s and really enjoy driving a manual gearbox again. It came down to this or a 2020 911s that was at the BMW dealer priced at $100k (had 41k miles on it). I'm happy with the M4!
Wait a min. You’re were complaining that steering wheel is too high when your seat clearly has more room to adjust your height 😂😂 you didn’t even adjust your seat before starting your drive lol. 5:08
Thought I was the only one that thought the steering wheel was a bit too high. Even at its lowest setting, I cant really see the street name area anymore on the bottom of the dash. Awesome Video as always brother!
@@TommyLGarage it can easily oversteer out of corners as much you want. Otherwise very fast, stable, easy to control. Comfortable highway drive to the track.
It's missing that one thing???? An extra $60,000 so it can be replaced with a 911. LOL - Extremely happy with my new G80 M3 6MT. I know it's not the same but I test drove the M550 and it was to much of a boat for me and I dont have a use case for a car that size. I prefer a more playful car than the brute force of the M5. You can snag a clean 2022 F90 M5 for $85K - Just not my style and I prefer the manual. The M3 is special it's iconic and that means something to me! The M brand was born from the M3 the originator.
I remember reading a review of the G-series M cars and the title said something along the lines of "this manual is not worth saving". As much as enthusiasts decry "Save the Manuals", do you think some cars like the G8X M models should either step up their manual transmissions or just save R&D money and give it up altogether? Also, I've seen people install aftermarket transmission kits or monoball front bushings to improve the overall feel, but do you think it's wrong to leave it to the aftermarket to fix a car's shortcomings when rivals do it better from factory?
I have to say even an f80 was not good with a manual transmission. Until a person drives a proper manual (aka Porsche or S2000 or Type R) they will never know what good means
@@TommyLGarage Porsche and Honda do have a reputation for making manual transmissions that are so good, it makes everyone else's efforts feel sub-par even if they're actually decent in isolation. For example, most people will say the MX-5 has one of the best manual transmissions in the affordable sports car category, but because its deceased rival (the S2000) borrowed the manual straight out of the legendary NSX, it simply cannot compete.
Hey Tommy, have you tried out the carbon buckets in the g8x platform? I’ve sat in one but haven’t driven a car that has them yet. They are really supportive and go lower than the base seats. Curious what you think of them and the comfort level while driving.
Hey Tommy, I had a yas marina manual f80 m3 around the same time you did! I'm now in a manual g80 m3. In my perspective, handling and shifting feels the same. Torque feels more gradual and continuous compared to the f80. Interior also feels top notch. I need a sedan for the kids. But, if I didn't have to have a 4 door I'd definitely get a 911. What's your opinion though. I still have a e92 M3. Should I sell that for an older 911?
@@TommyLGarage nope But I do smile every morning I go to pick out what I drive today 😆 Porsche has become a religious cult car now . Too expensive to daily drive or leave in parking lots . Highest cost maintenance save the fact most sit in garage diaper wiped . The SUVs will soon replace the VW engines with batteries EV 😵 and even the Boxter Cayman ? Their managers must be DEI folks now
I own a ‘25 G82 manual, last car was a ‘14 991.1 PDK. While I love rowing my own, and the M is more practical as a daily (usable back seat in particular), the 911 was just more pure and special to drive. Regret my decision every day.
Thanks, hopefully you dig a bit deeper into how it drives and feels when you do the G80. Really want a Blackwing, but the 4 is too small and the 5 too big... The reviews for them are off the chart though, especially compared to the G8X. Sadly, the last 3 manual RWD sedans left.
Thing is it's not really that playful with the rear end. Except when it's very wet and you're going at it. In those cases though your Porsche will also slide a bit. Only way to fix that permanently is 4wd I guess. Which for some reason BMW in their eternal wisdom decided against. I think the car could benefit from all wheel drive but hey, they know best. Or more like they just do whatever the fuck they want or whatever they deem will make them money.
@@TommyLGarage I think so too. I bought the manual anyway. I would have considered a Porsche but they kind of priced themselves out a bit. It's like 160k starting price where I am and by the time you configure a few options, which you will definitely want to do, it shoots up to 190k pretty quick (and that's just a few modest things too nothing crazy). My M3 was about 105k fully loaded pretty much. Not as nice as the Porsche maybe but it's still pretty nice.
So after telling you about my g80 in forums last week, you post this…🙄🙄🙄😂😂😂. Ok now let me see what you have to say. Lol. Alright I agree with a lot of your points. Steering wheel is slightly high but I’m taller so it doesn’t matter as much. Having learned manual on a 911 I get what you’re saying about the manual. I just refuse to not have a 3rd pedal. There is definitely no feedback through the steering wheel. Lastly the front did grow on me. Just looks meaner to me. The mix of tech plus how “angry” the car can be on the road gives me those tinglies lol but I can’t compare it to a 911. A 4 door, high horsepower, manual sedan- there is no comparison in my book. People keep telling me I had the option of a black wing. Absolutely not. Now that is an ugly car. The tech is not the same either and it’s overpriced. American car quality is simply not there.
Manual sedan is very rare I agree. But for this chassis I think automatic is the way to go. And if that’s the case, there are plenty of other sedans out there /)
@@TommyLGarage I am just partial to manual. If I’m not moving my left foot, all cars become similar to me. I also like that my wife doesn’t want to learn lol.
Just took delivery of my manual M4 (Brooklyn Gray) yesterday and love it. Traded a 2018 AMG E63s and really enjoy driving a manual gearbox again. It came down to this or a 2020 911s that was at the BMW dealer priced at $100k (had 41k miles on it). I'm happy with the M4!
Of course you’re happy it’s a great car! Congratulations!
Wait a min. You’re were complaining that steering wheel is too high when your seat clearly has more room to adjust your height 😂😂 you didn’t even adjust your seat before starting your drive lol. 5:08
I adjusted the seat to the lowest position.
I have 440i manual but now looking to transition into M4 with manual transmission. The G82 has grown on me. The car is 🔥
It is a great car. The manual transmission makes it that much better.
Manual all the way.
Depends
Looking happy and healthy 💪
Thanks!
Thought I was the only one that thought the steering wheel was a bit too high. Even at its lowest setting, I cant really see the street name area anymore on the bottom of the dash. Awesome Video as always brother!
It’s very strange! It’s even worse when you have bucket seats
Great review. I daily and track my G82 6MT (now on 305 square setup). Miss your track videos!
How is it at the track? Playful ?
@@TommyLGarage it can easily oversteer out of corners as much you want. Otherwise very fast, stable, easy to control. Comfortable highway drive to the track.
Interesting. I keep thinking about doing this.
@@kentao4 go for it, it's what the car is made for!
I like them but do prefer the 4 doors though and yes the steering sits too high
Does anyone offer steering lowering kits ?
bro bought a porsche and turned into a snob : (
For sure! A total snob. That’s why I don’t own a BMW…. Oh wait
It's missing that one thing???? An extra $60,000 so it can be replaced with a 911. LOL - Extremely happy with my new G80 M3 6MT. I know it's not the same but I test drove the M550 and it was to much of a boat for me and I dont have a use case for a car that size. I prefer a more playful car than the brute force of the M5. You can snag a clean 2022 F90 M5 for $85K - Just not my style and I prefer the manual. The M3 is special it's iconic and that means something to me! The M brand was born from the M3 the originator.
Glad to see you kicking Tommy!
Thanks!!!
@@TommyLGarage No Doubt, been here since the start, give giving that motivation
I remember reading a review of the G-series M cars and the title said something along the lines of "this manual is not worth saving". As much as enthusiasts decry "Save the Manuals", do you think some cars like the G8X M models should either step up their manual transmissions or just save R&D money and give it up altogether?
Also, I've seen people install aftermarket transmission kits or monoball front bushings to improve the overall feel, but do you think it's wrong to leave it to the aftermarket to fix a car's shortcomings when rivals do it better from factory?
I have to say even an f80 was not good with a manual transmission. Until a person drives a proper manual (aka Porsche or S2000 or Type R) they will never know what good means
@@TommyLGarage Porsche and Honda do have a reputation for making manual transmissions that are so good, it makes everyone else's efforts feel sub-par even if they're actually decent in isolation.
For example, most people will say the MX-5 has one of the best manual transmissions in the affordable sports car category, but because its deceased rival (the S2000) borrowed the manual straight out of the legendary NSX, it simply cannot compete.
Great vid Tommy. Love the content you put out.
Thanks!! I appreciate it. Glad you’re here.
It’s nice, but I prefer your 911!!
So do I! :)
Hey Tommy, have you tried out the carbon buckets in the g8x platform? I’ve sat in one but haven’t driven a car that has them yet. They are really supportive and go lower than the base seats. Curious what you think of them and the comfort level while driving.
Yes! Hated them. Insanely difficult to get out of the car
I can co-sign this. I’m also 6’2” 220. The worst part was getting in and out.
Mine was just delivered
Congratulations!
Hey Tommy, I had a yas marina manual f80 m3 around the same time you did! I'm now in a manual g80 m3. In my perspective, handling and shifting feels the same. Torque feels more gradual and continuous compared to the f80. Interior also feels top notch.
I need a sedan for the kids. But, if I didn't have to have a 4 door I'd definitely get a 911. What's your opinion though. I still have a e92 M3. Should I sell that for an older 911?
Yes definitely worth it getting a 911. Consider a 997.2 and you’ll be very happy.
I bought ///M4 CF seats , and Corvette C8 both less than 911 $.
C8 has targa too too
Did you invest in white New Balance sneakers too?? :)
@@TommyLGarage nope
But I do smile every morning I go to pick out what I drive today 😆 Porsche has become a religious cult car now . Too expensive to daily drive or leave in parking lots . Highest cost maintenance save the fact most sit in garage diaper wiped . The SUVs will soon replace the VW engines with batteries EV 😵 and even the Boxter Cayman ? Their managers must be DEI folks now
Meh, for $80k-90k i’d still take a well equipped 991.2 base or a 981 GTS.
Totally agreed!
I own a ‘25 G82 manual, last car was a ‘14 991.1 PDK. While I love rowing my own, and the M is more practical as a daily (usable back seat in particular), the 911 was just more pure and special to drive. Regret my decision every day.
M2 for the money
Cayman!
Thanks, hopefully you dig a bit deeper into how it drives and feels when you do the G80. Really want a Blackwing, but the 4 is too small and the 5 too big... The reviews for them are off the chart though, especially compared to the G8X. Sadly, the last 3 manual RWD sedans left.
I need to get my hands on the blackwing.
I love your videos
Thanks!
Its funny u say that in eu bmw manuals are known for the 3rd gear
Pretty fun!
What about the G87 M2?? What do you think of it??
Same lame manual transmission. I’d get it with an automatic
@@TommyLGarage Only automatic ///M’s for me are E92 M3 or X3 M!!
It’s funny subjective with the nose, I never liked the previous front profile and I mostly bought my M4 G82 because of the look
How do you like this one ?
@@TommyLGarage I love it!
Is it more engaging than your M5?
Nope! Paddle shifters are more engaging
How does the g80 compare to a F80? Handling wise.
Very similar to be honest although f80 felt lighter on its feet
Thing is it's not really that playful with the rear end. Except when it's very wet and you're going at it. In those cases though your Porsche will also slide a bit. Only way to fix that permanently is 4wd I guess. Which for some reason BMW in their eternal wisdom decided against. I think the car could benefit from all wheel drive but hey, they know best. Or more like they just do whatever the fuck they want or whatever they deem will make them money.
AWD manual would have made it a winner !
@@TommyLGarage I think so too. I bought the manual anyway. I would have considered a Porsche but they kind of priced themselves out a bit. It's like 160k starting price where I am and by the time you configure a few options, which you will definitely want to do, it shoots up to 190k pretty quick (and that's just a few modest things too nothing crazy). My M3 was about 105k fully loaded pretty much. Not as nice as the Porsche maybe but it's still pretty nice.
I have a 6MT F80 but can't get behind a 6MT G8X, the car is just funner with the ZF8. Also, this guy couldn't opt for $300 lasers lmao?
Lasers are a game changer I agree
The new M3/M4s are meant to be bought with an auto. The manuals have super long throws, lag, and spongy.
Agreed!
Damn that's lowered :)
Looks good!
First gear is way too short.
I agree!
So after telling you about my g80 in forums last week, you post this…🙄🙄🙄😂😂😂.
Ok now let me see what you have to say. Lol.
Alright I agree with a lot of your points. Steering wheel is slightly high but I’m taller so it doesn’t matter as much. Having learned manual on a 911 I get what you’re saying about the manual. I just refuse to not have a 3rd pedal. There is definitely no feedback through the steering wheel. Lastly the front did grow on me. Just looks meaner to me.
The mix of tech plus how “angry” the car can be on the road gives me those tinglies lol but I can’t compare it to a 911. A 4 door, high horsepower, manual sedan- there is no comparison in my book. People keep telling me I had the option of a black wing. Absolutely not. Now that is an ugly car. The tech is not the same either and it’s overpriced. American car quality is simply not there.
Manual sedan is very rare I agree. But for this chassis I think automatic is the way to go. And if that’s the case, there are plenty of other sedans out there /)
@@TommyLGarage I am just partial to manual. If I’m not moving my left foot, all cars become similar to me. I also like that my wife doesn’t want to learn lol.
@@kentao4 haha good point about the wife. Same here !
I don't know if a BMW is ever more fun than a 911 but I'd do one better and go with the smaller manual 2024 M2.
Not one better. M2 is nice but transmission still feels the same
Debating between this and a Carrerra 4S,
sounds like you'd take the porsche?
Not even a contender. 4S every single day!
As I opened this, it had exactly 911 views. Fate favors the Porsche I guess.
Haha touché! Hoping this gets M4….I mean 4M views :)
@@TommyLGarage nice
How would you compare it to the F82?
They feel very similar to be honest. But F8x I felt more connected with.
M3 is way to go, m4 is just cheezy
In what way is the M4 cheesy. Not everyone like the look of a family sedan such as the M3. The M4 is a true beauty.