Things Did Not Go Well | Cadillac ATS4 2.0t
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- After 120 days at the dealership, the car STILL isn't right and things went from hopeful to "lemon law" paperwork.
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Glad that it got resolved, 10 mins into your video I thought I wasted my time but then things kept getting interesting. Definitely worth watching entire video, shows service manuals and standard procedures cannot account for every single scenario.
It went bad again... was a true trail of tears.
@@sstressfl that means I need to watch all your videos to get up to speed :). I am considering getting a 2.0T myself, I'm anticipating get info about common issues/resolutions before I face them.
@arslanazhar9403 IMO one of the best things of TH-cam. Sharing so we can all make better decisions.
The problem wasn't you nor the dealer. The problem is that trade schools aren't producing mechanics anymore, they are producing computer technicians who work on cars. My old plow truck did the same thing every day of every winter because my truck tires would flat spot overnight until they were warmed up by driving. A true northern mechanic probably would have properly diagnosed this.
I agree with you. Its a job for most but many are missing the mechanic dna!
And here I was impressed with the newer Cadillacs.
I work at a Lexus dealer and all our cars in storage is stored with tires overinflated on purpose to around 40~45 PSI to avoid having flat spots on tires. When the car is brought and PPI, washing & cleaning is done, the tires are then deflated back to their regular 32~36 PSI before being delivered.
The fact nobody caught this is both amusing and disappointing in the eyes of the Cadillac dealer.
Michael I had that same awkwardness feeling when I purchased my grand caravan from a dealership 4 years ago. All smiles, they pretended to be my friend, I even told the person in sales I loved the service department that is why I am buying another van, once the paperwork got signed a complete 180° happen in sales. Luckily I have a good service advisor where I live, helped us a ton through the process I would never wish that awkwardness feeling upon anyone.
Glad you found some resolution with this.
Glad you soled the mystery! I would have never thought about flat spots. Too bad about spending that money but look at it this way... through sharing this video you may end up helping tons of people facing a similar issue.
It’s still not 100% but that was a HUGE reason why there was such violent vibration 👍 I hope it helps someone 🙏 Thank you my friend.
@@sstressfl Happy you got it figured out! As a former tire & lube tech i would've found this in 10mins
Gm dealerships really do not care about you once you leave the lot. I had a dealership charge me for an alignment that I never received. The markings under the car weren't changed and I had horrid camber in the rear. When I confronted them on their mistake they got super pissy with me. The final straw was them trying to charge me for a Bluetooth upgrade to my steering rack bolts. Bluetooth upgrade.... on bolts..... and they were serious.
Thats really messed up. But I have heard bizarre stories before!!
WOW!! The dang flat spots lol!! That is so hilarious. I hope your laughing at that frustrating situation. Well at least it’s sorted out. What a great video.
I am so glad for you. I also own one, theses are fantastic vehicles. Thanks for sharing your journey with us.
Love my ATS too and glad you got closure! That's a lesson the "pros" aren't always experts.
I knew you were a believer before you ever said "you prayed to Jesus". I've learned sometimes it's test to try us in the fire. It makes us better than before. Gold goes through intense heat and refinement to become "purer". Good story thanks for sharing. FYI keep looking up, we going home soon, and all these material things and issues will be gone. PTL
Amen 🙏 Thank you for the encouragement ❤️
The fact that something so small/simple was your issue is funny and sad. Glad you got it fixed man!
In the end of it all, it goes to show, cars need to be driven. These were made to be drivers cars. ✌️
Wow! Excellent explanation! Thank you 🙏
Appreciate the feedback 🙏
Thank God I haven't had these issues with mine (I've been following from when you first got it). It's a great car. I've had some pretty cool cars in the past, but I haven't loved any of them as much as this one. It's truly a phenomenal car. I saw a friend deal with the same thing you did with a Honda Civic-R. Flat spots. I drove it and felt it. It was jarring, to say the least. Really feels like something is terribly wrong with the vehicle. Also, don't feel bad, he's a mechanic and didn't catch it either.
You’re a great story teller. Definitely enjoy listening to you.
Thank you so much :) Super nice thing to say! I appreciate it.
Oh you’re welcome! I have a 2014 ATS… 2.0 AWD… and I’m changing all my diff fluid… front, rear and transfer case… your videos really show what to do, so I really appreciate them!
I experience the same thing with my Mustang GT. It sits for weeks on end and I drive it rarely. The last time I got it out I found "what the heck is that vibration??". Flat spots! Glad you figured it out in the end.
Well if you watch the series, it continued to spiral downhill again 🫤
Good prayer and good perspective!
Thank you brother 🙏
Michael, may I suggest in the future to always follow the customer satisfaction protocol as shown in the owner's' manual. from the beginning of a repair. Doing this should put you on a path to be more effective and staying effective with any repair. Taking the control early one is a very important first step. I have always followed the protocol and have been successful. One time the car was bough back and the other time the car was fixed to my satisfaction. I too have and love my Cadillac ATS as for the same reason as you. The ATS is a great car, but Moore Cadillac is even greater with their customer satisfaction. I look forward to the future for a CT5. Congratulation for succeeding with your challenge and crossing the repair finish line. Best regards, John
I had a 2014 ATS 2.5L! Most fun car i have had in a long time! Hard to keep under 70 or 100mph!! Smooth, quiet and lots of get up and Go!
I am sorry about your frustrating experience, but what a great storytelling! I had a really enjoyable listening.
Thank you for the feedback. Very appreciated, my friend :)
Great story man I enjoyed listening
Thank you!
God bless you. Thank you brother for sharing the whole story this was definitely good stuff
I appreciate the feedback. God bless you 🙏
You have to be the most level headed man on earth, and humble as well. Glad that you got it ironed out. I've had my Ats for a little over 2 years now and literally every time I drive my Ats I get that "wow" experience!!!! Mine is a premium with performance pkg rwd and the 3.6. Also has the magna ride with an electronic limited slip rear end. Pretty quick but the handling is impressive!! Not like hellcat or Z06 fast but just such a well balanced super awesome handling suspension. These cars are underrated and hardly marketed cause most people never heard of an ATS! I'm super happy you got yours back👍. Take a couple deep breaths! Lol
I have a 2017 ATS 2.0T and it’s such a blissful experience every time I drive it. I found it at a Hyundai dealership, of all places. Shortly after taking it off the lot, the mysterious, notorious shudder started happening. After a few weeks, decided to change ATF and filter myself. (Your video on that project inspired me to do it 👍). Totally fixed the problem. Shudder gone. Absolutely wonderful car! I’m hoping for the best going forward. 🔥🔥
Same thing I have a 17 ats the dealer changed my transmission fluid and filter with their special mobile 1 and it’s blue for some reason but my transmission has been working like I drove it off the lot
So awesome 👏👏👏😎
Damn.. I know this feeling very well. In germany people don't even try to be polite. I even got in situations where people got yelled at by the people working in the shops. They get mad really fast that's for sure and communication is as bad as you can imagine :D
Realest comment ever ....
My wife wanted a 2013 Cadillac ATS. I recommended she don't get it and she still got it and it's the biggest piece of junk I've ever seen. Beautiful and fun car but non-stop problems. It was bought from one owner at 100,000 miles and all maintenance and everything was always kept up to date. Hopefully others are having a better luck lol
Its so easy to fall in love with the ATS. But living with it is another story. I have heard of some having fewer problems for many miles. I'm sorry your wife is dealing with the issues. Sadly that seems to be the norm.
At least you got it figured out after all that mess! I'm happy for you. The ATS 2.0T really is a great car.
Would u recommend the 2.0 , or the v6 . That 320ish horsepower callin my name , but hear good things about the 2.0 too 🤦♂️
@@jordansteele7799 There's a lot to like about either one, but I love the 2.0 because it has the low-end torque that's usable in the city. The 3.6 needs to rev high to get the most from it.
@@jordansteele7799 do you know how easy it is to make 320 with the 2.0t?
@@courtneyjagoda6368 like what besides the zzp
@@courtneyjagoda6368 Like what besides the zzp ?
@MichaelByrne Dude you have an amazing ability to express patience and not give in to frustration. I have a 2013 ATS Luxury 2.0 Turbo. I’ve had it right at one year now and already had to replace the transmission, and at the moment I have a bad Catalytic converter, coolant leaking from I believe the O ring on the oil cooler hose by the firewall and oil pressure solenoid code popping up and I’m only a humble civil servant for the city that doesn’t make much money and financing this car at a 22% interest rate. I have no more patience. God bless you though , I’m happy things are working out for you and your family. 🙏🏼
Thank you for the kind words! I’m sorry to hear about your on going issues with the car :( like I’ve said before, it’s the best and worst car I’ve ever owned! I hope you can find a way out and get into something more reliable. Appreciate that you took time to comment and share your experience. God bless you too 🙏
I love your videos! I've been following you for a few months since I purchased a used 2013 ATS Luxury 3.6 with 40K miles back in Feb. I freakin' love this car. It's so powerful and an absolute joy to drive. I find myself making up any excuse to get in it and go. You are such a patient man. I would have lost it long ago. I was almost afraid to watch this video today without knowing the outcome, but I am so happy for you that the issue is resolved. Flat spots? Wow, who knew? Take time to enjoy your ride man, you deserve it. BTW, zero problems so far with mine. Purchased a 3 yr full warranty with it, so I have peace of mind.
Thank you!! And I pray yours continues to ride smooth and problem free 🙏 I have always felt that the ATS is a tie with my motorcycle. Both are crazy fun. Enjoy!!
Yes ditto the 3 year warranty is a must. I have piece of mind with my 2016 ATS.
mike...im happy you're happy.
two things...
1 my intuition tells me someone at the dealership watches your channel and they discuss among themselves that you are a tinkerer (and they dont like that).
2 their patience with you reached its top dollar amount...regardless of customer satisfaction....as i said several videos ago...they were blowing smoke.
They do watch my videos. They have told me. Regardless, I love all of 'em and I know there are business pressures at work. I leave it up to each business to show their colors. There is always a line. And I could be wrong too. I am going to tinker and see if I can fix the final drivetrain vibration on my own.
Well I started to follow because we do own the same motorcycle GSX-S750. After awhile I found out you own an ATS , I do own CTS, Bigger is better lol. Joking. I worked for LEXUS, saw previous comments someone here does work for LEXUS, and they are the same, after you leave the lot Dealerships don't care about you, that the truth. You are better human being than I, you are smart and wise to find out the origin of this issue. Glad you did. Kind Regards mate.
My ATS has been sitting due to my medical, my wife took the car out and said it shook violently. I told her the tires could of been flat spots, need to drive the car and make sure the right air pressure. She drove it solid for a week, finally stopped and now smooth. But with your situation was unknown variables. But great job figuring it out.
That's awesome. It never occurred to me :)
Man, I feel your love for the alpha platform and the ats. I adore mine, such a sexy small little car. Cadillacs own jdm/euro fighter! (2.0t) I love the phantom metallic gray paint. It looks like a dark silver green in some light and the led door handles!!! OMG!!! Looks so amazing at night. Cadillac knocked this car out of the park looks and styling wise. Im gonna try and find a LSD for my car. I’ve researched and it will 100% work. Gotta find me a wrecked ats g80 rpo code car! I will say im scared to really put the car through it’s paces, im afraid it’s fragile. I can hammer on my 05 STS4 1sg f55 car all day long. 151k on odometer and the car is still amazing. I hope my ats is as reliable as my previous Cadillacs have been. My 05 deville has needed literally nothing other then maintenance. It has 165k on odometer. The STS has needed a few parts like the rack went bad, PS pump went bad, wheel bearing went bad, trunk won’t open anymore and proximity drivers door doesn’t work anymore. But the car is almost 20 years old.
Makes sense
Hopeing for future success of your ATS Mike! Once everything settles are you planning any aesthetic changes to the car? I noticed you can get a V-Series OEM spolier looks like the ATS V spoiler for your regular ATS. I'm debating putting it on my 14'
Right now I''d like to buy a new wheel to replace the one that got scrubbed :D
@@sstressfl don’t buy a new one!! Have it fixed its way cheaper!!!
@@sirloin4372 I bought a whole new set! :D
Omg I love your video man …I have the ats 2018 and the first day I got my car had a bubble on one the left side tire and I couldn’t open my drunk than than a month later Left side back tire I had to wait 3 months for that tire to come and today right front tire had a slash but that flat
I own a 2017 Cadillac ATS 3.6 ‘ and that’s why I rather do my own maintenance on it. I don’t trust the dealer and no other mechanic. But thank you for charging your experience. 🤘😎
I have a 2014 ats and I believe the ATS is a lemon design
I think the intent... the actual design... was a thing of beauty. Not just the exterior! The whole thing. Its weakness is in the quality of some of its components and that makes it an unreliable vehicle. Some make it through 100k+ miles with minimal issues. But wayyy too many suffer the same problems. I truly enjoyed the car. And I truly hated the car.
great video
Listen to Scottyyyy haha. Glad the car is good now!
Nice car, I am bias when it comes to cars. I own a 2018 Cadillac ATS and they are fun to drive.
Absolutely agree.
Hey bro everything you're doing is right it's their responsibility to check and see if anything is wrong they're supposed to diagnostic vehicle safety reasons so 1 it's not right 2 it's not professional I've been in the same situation and I don't care if I warn my welcome like I said you know how your car drives right well supposed to drive bro it is their responsibility to fix whatever is wrong with your car so I agree with you 100% man. And I also own a Cadillac ATS.V
I’m glad I found your videos! ❤ I have the same issues now just trying to see what to do about the transmission flush or change and change again 2 months later what would you recommend Brother? I’m at 88,000 miles and the dealer recommended flush but it’s not there car or money and they can’t guarantee it will fix the problem.
The flush is def the best way to make sure its pumped out clean. it usually works and is the recommended solution by GM. But its expensive! And on the 8 speed it has to be done as an on-going maintenance thing. But if you have the 6-speed like mine, it should be fluid change and done. I think if you changed the fluid yourself with new filter and noticed a real improvement, then you can feel more confident that the fluid was the problem. If you change it and its not better then it will indicate another issue is causing the shudder. And yes it might need it again, and maybe a third time to get it to be 100%. I hope you get it sorted to your satisfaction 🙏
@@sstressflthat’s exactly what my dealership did. The vibration disappears completely from the torque shudder! It required 10 litres of back to back flushes $1200 but it fixed the problem completely!
But I’m glad you’re happy I love my Cadillac CTS
The intro said it all bro lmao 😂
LOL! Indeed my man :)
Wow this dude made me choose another brand I'm not buying a cadillac thanks for your story
wow .....u made me feel soo much better about my ATS...MANN HOLD UP
It never got better. It just kept failing. I traded it in >>> I Finally Traded-In My Cadillac ATS...
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I'm glad you found your peace with your car. Give your Facebook message request a quick check man!
Eric.... I don't see anything on FB?
Brother, i I own red manual 2015 ATS coupe. Thanks to ZZP, it's close to 300 HP right now. Inshallah it will be close to 400 HP one day!
Following. I have a 2014 ats. Been chasing a shimmy, flutter thing. Changed spark plugs, PVC hoses, transmission fluid, camshaft position sensors. I think all thos things needed to be done and little by little its getting less, but still there. Looking forward to the diff change video. You going to change the whole gasket or just pull the fluid out and change it?? Love your vids man.
It’s a labor of love lol I plan to dump and replace the fluid. Thanks for the feedback 🙏👍
Never go to dealerships. They're there to rob you, not fix your car. The ones that do, they won't last long in that shop and most likely going to a more local/private shop. Those are the shops you go to. OR, you just do things yourself.
I had a similar poor diagnosis with a dealer on my wheels. When I was driving close to a wall, I would hear a weird noise coming from the tires. It was definitely the tires as I would still hear it when coasting, and would change in sound level with speed. When the car was stationary and running, I would not hear the noise.
The computer pressure indicated they were all bang on where they should be for pressure. I had an appointment for an warranty oil change, so I asked them to take a look at the tire noise. They gave me back the car saying there was nothing wrong with the wheels, on the way home I heard the noise...
I then did my own investigation. First thing I did is check the pressure at the wheels with a known good analog gauge. Found the tires were 6 to 8 psi under inflated. What the hell!!! On the dashboard, all tires read normal pressure. It looks like on my previous oil change visit, a tech calibrated an offset into the computer pressure indicators. Moreover, they didn't check the pressure when I made a complaint at the next visit. What horrible service...never taking it there unless its warranty related, which has now expired, so never taking it there again, period. So lazy!!
Thats pretty poor service indeed :(
I feel your pain my friend, I had to deal with GM directly to have the transmission replaced on my ATS. This car is amazing, drives great tons of power. It really had allot of issues since I got it in 2018 but been good for the last 40000k and couldn’t be happier. Changed front and rear diff fluids and it’s smooth as silk. Hope she treats you good from now on.
@WhyMan While I agree I haven’t had so many issues with a car before. Couple weeks ago my rear end seal blew out on my ATS on its second rear end, just got that replaced under powertrain. Now having issues with my airbag light coming on again, it’s been in 8 times for this “Service safety restraint system” code with no fix. Third time dealing with GM corporate, I ended up tweeting to the CEO. It’s done nothing I’m sure but GM is dealing with it again. Now having some weird clunking in the front end but I’m attributing that to normal wear, will have to check what it is when I throw on my winter tires on it. It’s unfortunate, I love my car but will be going a different direction in a year or so.
@WhyMan That’s some sound advice honestly, you’re completely right haha
Glad you got that figured out. But boy you where me out.
I'm sorry Ellie :(
Great story
Thank you 🙏
Hey after hearing about the shaking from you and the comments here I wanted to share what I found out. As an owner of a 2017 Cadillac CTS 2.0 turbo I got with 88k km on it, I noticed the same shaking when I drove it between 50 - 60 mph or 75 - 80 km going upwill on cruise control. After a lot of discussion around the issue I found out it to be called a “torque shudder”. I found out it’s common will these cars that don’t get transmission flushes done on them on time. In fact this cars transmission wasn’t changed at all! The fix for this torque shudder is to pour roughly 10 litres of trans fluid through it as a super flush. It cost around $1300 but it was recommended by GM. Once it got done the problem completely went away forever. Never had the issue come up. In fact I got it done on my second 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 as well as that car also had that shuddering. (Though not as bad ). If you need a mechanic from gm to talk to I can hook you up.
Michael, you're super sensitive to how your car should feel. Unfortunately, it can be a pain in the neck trying to get it sorted out. But your persistence paid off. Too bad the dealership didn't absorb the balancing charge or at least split it with you. But you're the bigger person for not arguing with them and having it get ugly. Dealership's are never happy if you don't have everything on the car the way it came from the factory (wheels). I understand it to a point but if they sense how meticulous you are with your vehicle they should have believed that you wouldn't have bent wheels on your ats. But I do get why you're so fond of your car. Everytime I get behind the wheel of my 2019 ats v coupe I'm impressed beyond words with this car. Best of luck going forward!
Enjoying having my car back and I’m going to pursue perfection on my own. Thank you for the encouragement!
I’ve had both Cadillacs and Lincolns. When I want to get another Cadillac, I want to feel that luxurious Cadillac floating and silence. The DTS was the real last true Cadillac… possibly the XTS, but when I want a Cadillac… I just don’t think of ATS or XLR or any of those. I like something you can show up to the ball in. To each his own I suppose 🤷♂️
I understand that completely. My fav Caddy is a 1960 Coupe DeVille. My fav Lincoln is a 67 Continental. But I have to admit, I fell in love with the new CT5-V, twin turbo v6 with paddle shifters. Power and modern luxury.
@@sstressfl Gotcha. We’re going to finally give up our black raven DTS Premium and go for something else probably in a couple of months. There’s just nothing out there anymore in our taste so we’re looking at preowned MKZ’s and Continentals. That’s the only sort of thing we have the mood for, maybe a preowned XTS. We’re going to need some luck tho.
You show a great picture of the "process" and possible influences. I have a 2016 3.6AWD ATS coup. Same trans shudder seen on ramps and low gears, since
Youre welcome! It can be a battle. Hope ypu have a really great experience at the dealership.
@@sstressfl Ill let you know how the dealer is and how it settles out. generally I like this Cadi dealer. I know at times there are no winners.. hopefully this will at least keep the trans on the road over 70k.
@@my3sons50 hello, what was the outcome if you don't mind sharing? I just purchased a used 2017 @ 48K miles. And it shudders in between 50-60 while in touring mode mainly. Slight to almost unnoticeable shudders while in sport mode.
@@mbritt38 Thanks for asking--- 52000 miles now. I would say it was fairly good for 4 months this time, but I wont pay for a flush yearly. They charged me the $300+ dollars since it was just out of warranty for the blue stuff. Yep. It is gradually getting worse again but I don't yet feel it on higher gears or highway's yet. I hope it stops degrading, but I am more likely going to disappoint me next year (just an opinion). I MAY try an additive next, but I'll never be sure the parts inside weren't damaged by all the past shuddering. I would like to know the success of additives, over the long term. Still like the car, and want to keep it 5 more years. However, ill dump it if the transmission will eventually fail.
Hey after hearing about the shaking from you and the comments here I wanted to share what I found out. As an owner of a 2017 Cadillac CTS 2.0 turbo I got with 88k km on it, I noticed the same shaking when I drove it between 50 - 60 mph or 75 - 80 km going upwill on cruise control. After a lot of discussion around the issue I found out it to be called a “torque shudder”. I found out it’s common will these cars that don’t get transmission flushes done on them on time. In fact this cars transmission wasn’t changed at all! The fix for this torque shudder is to pour roughly 10 litres of trans fluid through it as a super flush. It cost around $1300 but it was recommended by GM. Once it got done the problem completely went away forever. Never had the issue come up. In fact I got it done on my second 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 as well as that car also had that shuddering. (Though not as bad ). If you need a mechanic from gm to talk to I can hook you up.
Son of a! Not the wheel! 😂 that sucks still looks good though.
Bought a 14 ATS in 2019. Car had 20k miles but had sat at the dealer for almost a year. On test drive I knew the tires were shit, especially considering they were run flats. Tires smoothed themselves out after awhile and the ride was good. Perfect ride once I put normal tires on the car lol.
I have heard nothing but complaints about run flats on the ATS! Summer UHP tires are the worst when parked too long in cold winter weather. The new Lexani's I bought are silky smooth. Sounds like you're doing well with your new tires too ;)
@@sstressfl, run flats are terrible. Rather be stuck on the side of the road with a flat and surrounded by coyotes then drive with run flats. Also have a 20 CT5 with 18in "self sealing" Michelins. They're pretty good but prefer the Yokohama's on my ATS.
Definitely letting a car sit too long is bad on the tires. Was surprised how bad the ATS rode when I test drove it. Luckily my wife worked at the dealership so I knew the history of the car and they weren't bs-ing us. Caught a great deal.
@@sclancy79 I like the ct5! Enjoy 😎💪
If I've learned anything from working for dealerships is do not trust service advisors
Also, all the same broken things you have, are broken on mine 🤣. Everything!
I feel close to you…. like family lol 😂
WoW I'm not alone and neither are you . My caddy ats rear rims went out of round with the car not being driven enough ..... !?!?? Now Think about that ....! The rears ???
So thats about $175. For the guys in the rim fixing trunk who stop at my Caddy Dealership once a week .... plus break down, reinstall, re - road force balance .... $$$$$$
Same thing, I love the driving experience of the car, my wife hates it ....lol.....
But she loved it when it got her to and from work in a blizzard a few years ago, and didn't even flinch once in more that a foot of snow .... Had snows on all four wheels and its AWD....
The AWD on that little Caddy is more sure-footed in snow than some SUV's I've driven !!!
Back to the wheels, ..... I'm just baffled at just the rears going out of round, not the front which I assumed had more weight ????
The only advice I can give you is once it's out of warranty, find a REAL mechanic that does diagnostics and brute force when needed, a guy who thinks outside the repair manual..
Also , once you start touching any of it when it's in warranty the dealerships get quirky.
They could blame the fluids you substituted ..... or the performance wheels .....
I know they shouldn't, the OEM wheels can't be that good if they bend when the car just sits.....
God .... Give us steel wheels back, I don't care how much they weigh ....lol..
Also, I've given up with performance touring runflats that I can feel every stone in the cement ....
2 winters ago I bought 4 Pirelli Soterozzo 3 snows .....
And it's smooth, soft, quiet, lots of rubber, handles well .... maybe 85 and 90 mph aren't a good idea, but for the bulk of the driving.... I'm leaving them on all the time and just rotating and adding 2 at a time.
Best part ..... $150. Per tire ..... thats the 17" Runflat ...!!! A Win, Win, for me ..
As my father used to say when his 65 Delta 88 would act up .....
" Turn the Radio Up ......LOUDER ...." !!! Lol ...😁
Loved at Ats turbo with red leather but got a nice ram due to growing family
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I hate dealing with dealerships. Especially if the car is out of warranty.
Trade it in bro
Best thing I ever did.
@@yourpurpose5548 Lucky. I had an STI, and I lost 12k on that mug. Wish I would of got out of it.
@@ericolsen67vw I have a 2023 Honda civic. I love it. No problems. No GM headaches. My Cadillac I had so many problems. If I could make a video I would. Very bad experience. Yet my friend who drives a Honda who has had it for 15 years no problems.
@@yourpurpose5548 try Lexus next. My folks have black is250. It's pretty bomb. 💣 My kid starts driving this year probably get him a Honda. I have a Benz tried to explain to him it's a car you can't just drive around, and not fix and do the maintenance. Seems to get it. Good luck my guy 👍
Buddy I learned this on a Ford Econline Van 30 years ago after 5 minutes kerploke kerloke It was used in the Summer only. Took you 25 mins To explain. You do have an entertaining way of telling a story though, Bought a CADILLAC ATS 2.0 turbocharged today and I was tripping boo.
My 3rd rear diff is now making clunking sounds. I'm quite sure the bushings are the original bushings and the dealer did not replace them as the manual says "never re-use differential bushings". Oh well.... never a dull moment with this car.
@@sstressfl take it in a positive way you are not a dull man. Ah please do not drag race the Caddy. After all it is just a GM not a real European sports car.
@@tonyabrego1 I asked my previous cadillac dealership if drag racing would null my warranty. He said "I would never void a warranty for drag racing... a lot of my customers take their cars to the track. But if you modify the car, you're on your own." So I went to the track to get some et slips. By the way, part of my diagnostic research on my Caddy brought me to BMW forums. Its definitely not isolated to GM :)
Michael. I have been contemplating purchasing a used 2017 ats awd good price, low miles good dealer, but I’m moving on looking for something else. Thank you
Its a great looking and great driving car when it works... but based on my experience and feedback from many many ats owners, I think that's a wise decision. Hope you find a great vehicle.
If they on the rear you might not feel them but nowadays with this magnetic ride control are so sensitive you have all wheel alignment on the car i have a silver one same year and a ats-v i love them both
I gave up! Traded mine for a 22 RAM 1500 ... truly enjoying the new ride.
@@sstressfl I've had no issues out of either one of mine
That’s awesome. The awd seems to have a higher incident of issues esp with the rear diff. And of course the 8 speed has it’s oiling issue/shudder inherent in its design.
Boy, you are way more patient than I. I would have opened a lemon law case after the 3rd dealer visit. Notice once you mentioned lemon law to GM, they cut the conversation immediately. That's what they have to do.
I know you love the car, so I hope you have no other reasons to use the warranty, because they won't help you at all.
Yes I felt the door close. Someone told me GM will fight violently to keep from paying for a lemon.
Dude I have the 2014 ats v6 and it’s running smooth since I own it now it’s over 150k and still take me a to b
That’s so great!! Rwd??
I had a sticky DS rear caliper on my ATS give me the same intermittent symptoms you described. Whenever it stuck it would cause a vibration. At higher speeds it would suddenly feel like one of the wheels was about to fall off. I ended up replacing the caliper and wheel bearing. The heat from the sticky caliper got the bearing hot enough to puke out the grease from it's seal.
Thats terrible! I had a frozen caliper on the back of my ATS... I put in all new stuff. That is not the issue with this car. Its a long established history. Transmission is fixed now (they did a flush) but the rear diff is an on-going problem.
@@sstressfl My wife has 2.0 T AWD like yours and it was pushing diff fluid out the pinion seal a couple weeks ago because the vent got plugged with debris. That's a common issue. But just one of the reasons they fail.
@@BAMFCarDude Definitely aware of that! I'm on my 3rd rear diff.... the failures are not related to the valve. But instead build/quality/installation issues. Failing bearings. Improper installation. I have an entire Cadillac ATS playlist of you'd like to follow along :)
Reason why I will never have low profile wheels again. That vibration felt on the highway wears the tires a lot of faster.
Its perfect and smoother, quiter than any car Ive ever owned. The old tires were damaged. The new tires are simply elegance.... Im very happy now. Cept that rear diff is still giving me an indication of future failure. Again.
Lol
I love this video.
Sooo am planing on buying a 2015 ats luxury awd.. does the car handle good on blizzard snow weather.. can u give me more info plz
We live in mountainous rural VT (11 years for me, my wife is a Vermonter). I needed a vehicle that could handle the harsh long winters but I did not want a truck or an SUV. I looked at Subaru and Audi.... and then found this. I had no idea Caddy made an awd. It's incredible in the snow. I put some cheap studded snow tires on it and its a stinkin' tank in the snow! The steepest snow covered inclines are effortless. It's only vulnerability is ground clearance. About 5.5". I removed the downforce flaps in front of the front wheels to keep them from scraping during the winter. Other than that, I drive careful on the dirt roads where the snow accumulates and I've had so much fun with this car. The most amazing "winter beater" I've ever owned :D Here are some snow-driving-test-videos I made: th-cam.com/video/vQn8V6SV7mQ/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/yrxLgBgy8-I/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/47yuxqbQjlI/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/DLnW8B7flCs/w-d-xo.html and most recent th-cam.com/video/dy3LpfS7b9w/w-d-xo.html
Think you may have learned a few things here, the tires kind of makes sense, and the manufacturer and dealership are only your friends as long as it benefits them to be
It's the battle of two worlds... my goal is the perfection of my vehicle. The company has only one goal... make money. On my side I'll do whatever if takes to make it right. On their side they will do what makes the most financial sense. Those two worlds can be (and usually are) far apart.
I got xt4 loaner from the dealership one time about two years ago. Smh almost traded my ats in 😂😂😂….that fresh plush leather and that gps 😈. I still think about that xt4 till this day.
It felt perfect.... my only concern is quality. I've followed the owners online and some weird fails.
Sir, my experience was the same. Idk if it was the weird change with the 15 models. But mine was just fine, then one random day, went to pass a car. Pooof, cylinder 2 shit the bed. Car is now gone, I’ll wait till they are stupid cheap, and I’ll 4.8 ls swap it
Nooooooooo!!!!! I hate to hear that 😭 The car is so fun to drive it makes you want to work through the pain!!
excuse my ignorance but what do you mean by flat spots I have the same vibration problem, what should I do to repair that problem I have an ats 2016 2.0T
Flat spots usually happen when your car is parked for too long. They usually come out after driving a short distance. But summer tires can get damaged permanently if they stay parked too long in very cold weather. Hard to say what’s causing your vibration. Does it ever go away or does it get worse at certain speeds? Is it an acceleration thing? Or sometimes a deceleration thing? Or when coasting?
Metal hub centric rings is gonna make it incredibly hard to get the rims off better to used the drifter material ones
High end stainless steel thats .012"! No one makes them that thin. They work great. I take the, off and put them back on all the time. A little grease helps too ;)
Oh okay I went through an annoying experience with the metal ones I had. But the workers only ever told me to look for ones that match 70.3 diameter
@@sstressfl and yea the grease thing I didn’t know on my first rodeo lol
@@GeneralDravus00 lol yes! Especially in Vermont! Everything corrodes. 😄
How quickly can a stationary tire develop flat spots? And would cold weather or low inflation quicken the flat spot process?
They’re all different but from what I’ve learned summer tires suffer the most in cold weather, sometimes permanent damage if they sit too long in the cold. But mostly in my experience you can drive out a flat spot and the tire will be smooth again.
I went through the same thing awhile back with my ats lol. I have the same set of tires as you the general as o5 and I had a bad vibration in the front come to find out I had a busted belt in the tire.
Underrated comment here
If mine wasnt smooooooth now it would have to be on the list. That's a great discovery. And it can even happen with very new tires!
There is a huge recall on General Tires right now. I received it two weeks ago . There were five pages of Continental and General. Check it out.
@@jimperry4420 my tires are not listed 👍
We have the same car but 2017, we changed everything, underneath, and finally when we changed the shocks, the car stopped shaking..we spent over 2000.00 on parts...we changed all the motor mounts, differental, all front end parts, rack & pinion parts...anyway, a very expensive fix, but fixed.
I truly appreciate the sharing! I was thinking the other day the car feels like it could use new shocks! :) Mine is smoother than it has been at cruising speeed but growling in the rear when under a load, low acceleration or weight in the car.
The the shocks he installed this weekend or awesome made the car much tighter and a faster drive and stopped quite a bit of shaking
@@patriziapinard4517 Thats great news!!
Have you checked if your car is not slightly bent from an undisclosed accident? It sounds like your driveline components are out of alignment. Did you buy the car from that dealership?
No its fine. Did you watch the whole video?
I have the same hat... but I actually live near Detroit :o)
I was born in Lansing. Raised in GR. Lived in Novi, Clarkston, Waterford. I used to work in Bloomfield Hills, Birmingham too. Spent many years as a Michigander :) Watched my first live Tigers game at the original stadium when I was a kid in cub scouts. I was thankful to have attended the first official Woodward cruise in my sleeper '79 Aspen Wagon. MI is still in my blood :)
You’d think you would’ve been able to feel the flat spots while driving. I can tell when my car has flat spots from sitting.
But wait a second....why did you bring in the car in the 1st place? If you were feeling a vibration that you thought was the rear diff, what caused that vibration the first time? If it's the flat spots, how did your car get them in the first place?
It was winter. But the dealer makes me install my summer tires when they do work on it. It sits in their parking lot for weeks. Basically the awd ATS has something in its design or a defect that vibrates under load... it’s made worse by resistance. Or sometimes it’s just a failing part, like a bad rear diff or transmission shudder. Still trying to figure it out. Sooooo.... after having a new rear diff installed I drove it like a baby with my winter wheels. It growled a little bit, but after I installed new amsoil svg fluid it was better. And it was getting warmer outside so I installed my summer wheels. I experienced vibration during acceleration and bounce during deceleration. It was similar to the failing rear end vibration but like I told the mechanic it felt different. Higher speeds. And the bounce was new. I thought it was a failing uv joint. Never occurred to me that my summer tires had flat spots from sitting so long at the dealership from the previous visit. So I took it in for them to fix the vibration. But they refused to do any further work until I fixed my messed up wheels. And charged me for the visit.
Michael, may I suggest in the future to take control of the repair process by following the customer satisfaction instruction in the owner's manual. I have learn the most import thing about auto repairs is to be effective with the process. I have used the lemon law to command the attention of the auto manufacturer to fix it or buy it back. It has worked each time. I love GM products and how they stand behind their product. Currently I have a 2017 ATS and I love the car as for the same reasons you love your ATS. I look to the future for a Cadillac CT5. In closing, follow the customer satisfaction protocol in the owner's manual and always stay effective. Best regards, John
I've never had to engage with a dealership at this level before. Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts on the subject.
I had a similar issue with an F30 328i, similar 2 liter 8 speed. On the initial test drive, buttery smooth. Dealership wanted to install new tires, to which I said NO because I like to tire shop myself.
Go to pick up the car and sure enough they put on rft tires and a slight vibration began. I just didn’t have your level of patience, called automation corporate, filed a new ticket for 12 days, had an attorney send a letter out. Fast forward 2 weeks in after purchase. GM calls me at 7:30 in the evening.
Show up the next day. Shop Forman and gm take the 3 for a spin. Replaced all 4 control arms and tires of my choice. Told them to flatbed it to my preferred Indy shop because their techs won’t do an alignment if the wheels are “pointing straight”
Wow! And all is well I assume??
Happy to report, no vibrations at all. I’ve learned that when buying a car, a test drive is not needed. Just feel tires with your hand, and that should tell all.
@@reddstool1023 mine were new tires and perfect until it started getting parked at the dealership in the winter for a month at a time. And while flat spots were a temporary issue, the recurring failed rear end was the primary problem with this car. Vibration was tied to poor install by the dealership and a low quality diff. Ugly stuff. I am happy to be rid of it.
😭😭 this guy is great…….. Flat spots 😭
An experienced technician would have known that that was the problem on the first test drive.
Flat spots in the tires appear as bent rims. I can nearly guarantee that if you would of told them that the car pretty much sat for months it would of helped them narrow down the problem.
Either way, dealerships don't give two craps about a car after it's gone. Had a mustang that did the same thing, it sat in their show room for about 6-8 months. Only reason they didn't drag me through the mud is because I was a Ford employee that worked at their north stamping plant.
They tend not to talk back to a 6'4" Marine Corp vet metal fabricator. They don't like to miss teeth.
Sorry you had the experience, but unless it's a small dealership, chances are they wrote you off the moment that car made it off the lot.
It sat for months in their lot! It’s like I always say, being certified does not make a person a mechanic. Oh well it has been sorted out… I bought new wheels new tires….accept that rear diff is still leaking and grumbling.
Please find a new dealership.
I suspect the dealership is not at work here. Someone else is pulling the strings.
@@sstressfl no but they don’t have to lie to you. Tell you the person you want to speak to isn’t there when they clearly were. That’s pretty shady. Would definitely put a bad taste in my mouth.
@@bha5475 that is the moment I felt very uncomfortable and did not want them touching my car anymore.
@@sstressfl I would have taken my car right then. But I do tend to over react 😂
@@bha5475 :D
Never, ever, tell them not to rush. You are automatically put on the back burner.
Warranty is already on the back burner because the rate is lower.
That’s why they was so upset. Guess they knew nothing was wrong, but they should have tested for that, even Tommy with a 3rd grade education will put his hand on it on it to test, but man I hope this don’t happen, but watch your engine, mine was well maintained, but granted I did have some aftermarket parts, but knowing they had so many issues with weak pistons, I may have got that last engine that just happened to be a 15 model with the old pistons in it. I got rid of the car, as I will never own anything again without 8 cylinders
Aww dam flat spots? Cadillac should have picked that up only if you went to a All tire shop they would have caught that problem the same day
After you said you wife curbed the wheel, had me thinking that you may have a bent rim or two.
:) It happened AFTER I got it back from the dealer. And it was a scrape. Not a bend-event.
No problems with my 13 Cadillac ATS premium 3.6 AWD ,I hear lots of problems with them 4 cylinder turbos no matter what car there on small engine trying to produce same power as a V6 just buy the v6 in the first place and people won’t have problems with turbos burning out that’s the only problems I’m hearing from 4 cylinder owners .
The only time I hear about problems is with a tune. If you leave the 2.0t in its stock config, its unusual to have any problems. So far so good with mine at 55k miles :)
tune your tcu`s shift speed tune ecu`s vve and change oil of transmission it will fix the shudder
if the shudder is violent you must change the torque converter than do it above
and the leak of diff the stoke part can not fix this problem