Aptera May Handle Winter Better Than You Think

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  • @garykunz5305
    @garykunz5305 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    My worry with the Aptera is the snow build up in the center of the lane. With a three wheeler, the center wheel has to go through the deep show that all the four wheel cars push to the center of the lane. Time will tell how it will do.

    • @oskarrabelius7384
      @oskarrabelius7384 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Thank you! This is probably going to make the aptera pretty scary to drive in snow.

    • @kickithard
      @kickithard 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Never thought about that one. Thanks for pointing that out!

    • @toddsonic
      @toddsonic 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think it will be a good urban commuter vehicle but only for places where there isn't snow or it's removed regularly (Canadian cites are horrible leaving it to accumulate until the spring) will render them undrivable for the snowy winter months.

    • @MichaelMartini11730
      @MichaelMartini11730 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I ride motorcycles in the snow and Im not the only one and the issue you brought up isnt viable because those 4 wheel cars you mention heve to cross over the center of the road to exit and to change lanes ................;- right?.
      The center wheel is at the rear and acts like feathers on a dart or an arrow and adds drag also to add its AWD with computerized traction control so the rear motor is independently controlled too....
      If the middle wheel was up front there would be an issue with keeping it pointed straight ,,,

    • @MichaelOrtega
      @MichaelOrtega 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Make sure you get an all-wheel-drive. That will be the only option if you live in a place that smell so much but you get snow buildup on road

  • @xthegrim
    @xthegrim 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    Really want to see Aptera succeed, I really appreciate you championing them. I've reached out in the past to see if there was anything I could do to help them out. The Aptera is to efficiency and effectiveness per cost what the Cybertruck is to utility. It's hard to see until you really really look at all aspects.

    • @Harrythehun
      @Harrythehun 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Listen to ABBA and you have the answer for your question....money money money.

    • @Y2Kvids
      @Y2Kvids 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Cybertruck is to utility ?

    • @MONKEY_BEAM
      @MONKEY_BEAM 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      bruh that's insulting, cybertuck is useless

  • @DHyre
    @DHyre 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    NOBODY is talking about the ELEPHANT in the room for Aptera - that we will need to band together with 2 other friends to properly take advantage of those 4th-tire-free sales!!! Your comment on snow tires made me wonder how tire sales will be packaged LOL

    • @mrtriathlondude
      @mrtriathlondude 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Just buy the four tires and use one in rotation. That should make them all last longer anyways!

    • @Postbus22
      @Postbus22 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Just ask the Ferrari Formula 1 team

    • @johnwest7993
      @johnwest7993 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Don't worry. The last 20 years have shown us that Aptera will never go into production. Other EV companies are already selling millions of cars a year. Aptera has what, 8 prototypes? And I'm not sure they are all drive-able. One of the EV companies will produce a very aerodynamic model and that will be that. Aptera was never a car company. It was merely a hustle with slick brochures, but no serious investors. They sell dreams, not cars.

    • @JEP-Tech
      @JEP-Tech 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Just buy 12 tires and pray they don't dry rot in storage before you need the 4th set of tires. 😂

    • @JEP-Tech
      @JEP-Tech 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@mrtriathlondudeYes, put it on a spare wheel. Every car needs a spare anyways.

  • @n.brucenelson5920
    @n.brucenelson5920 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    One design feature that didn't get neatly enough attention is the superior traction control.
    The wheel motor design means that Aptera can sense wheel slip and adjust torque 32 times per wheel revolution. This works out to about every 2.5" of tread travel - a far more reactive performance than other systems out there.
    With good tires overall performance should be really good. I will report on my experience with AWD in Iowa winters.

    • @aspecreviews
      @aspecreviews 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Toyota's Vehicle Dynamic Integrated Management system isn't just reactive - it's predictive and gets information from all of the vehicle's sensors 1000 times every second.

    • @n.brucenelson5920
      @n.brucenelson5920 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@aspecreviews Don't confuse how fast the data is collected with how quickly the drive system can react to the information it gets.

  • @aaronbottke4555
    @aaronbottke4555 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I'm worried about the lack of door handles. Here in Northern MI, it's not uncommon to go outside on a winter morning and find your car totally iced over. And to get the doors open, you have to really be able to pull on the door.
    The other thing is how well those hub motors are protected against salt.

    • @n.brucenelson5920
      @n.brucenelson5920 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Elaphe has run the hub motors for hundreds of hours in deep saltwater in tests.

    • @aaronbottke4555
      @aaronbottke4555 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@n.brucenelson5920 This is very reassuring! Do you know the salinity? Was it equivalent to standard sea water? Or, was it a brine?

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Already well-tested again and again against water, slush, mud, sand and salt! And the lack of door handles is a blessing--just rap twice and the door will ope!

    • @mikeb1039
      @mikeb1039 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@rchender such confidence in pre-production!

  • @DemaGeek
    @DemaGeek 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Another point to consider is that the hub motor temperature is somewhat governed in the cooling system software. This may allow for winter features like: running the motors at a higher temperature based on outside temperature, or pre-conditioning the motors prior to starting out, so that icing and snow build up are prevented. These are simple firmware strategies which are easy to implement. Aptera has the great advantage of a heat source within each wheel and an easy way to utilize it!! Fantastic video Drew, thank you!

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Quiescent!

  • @NomadicBristolview
    @NomadicBristolview 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    It has some benefits; Carbon Fiber body won't rust. Aluminum frame and suspension won't rust (may corrode). All wheel drive will be helpful. It should hold up better than most cars against heavy road salting.
    At least one significant detriment - that center rear wheel will be going through the center of the lane where snow/slush sits more than the typical 2 wheel tracks - so more resistance there, and less traction. Should be ok though.

    • @BSingh-on4qr
      @BSingh-on4qr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't live in the snow myself. Do motorbikes work in the snow or not

    • @n.brucenelson5920
      @n.brucenelson5920 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@BSingh-on4qrI have way more miles on motorcycles than I would like to remember.

    • @danmccoy6164
      @danmccoy6164 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​​@@BSingh-on4qr
      Yah NO. Unless you're an ice racer. A friend of mine was the world champion unstudded ice racer for several years. Snow and ice are a no go on a motorcycle. There was a fellow who had the world record for BMW motorcycles. He ran a sidecar with a powered sidecar wheel. In Wisconsin.

    • @jamesphillips2285
      @jamesphillips2285 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BSingh-on4qr A manually pedaled bicycle gives you a lot more feed-back.

    • @justinw1765
      @justinw1765 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I really wish they had gone with an S2 fiberglass or basalt composite instead of the carbon fiber, because it would lower cost, it would be more environmentally friendly, and it would be tougher--especially for any impacts (carbon fiber composites are notoriously brittle in relation to impacts). I guess they went with carbon fiber because of the weight savings, but in all honesty, it really isn't that much lower than S2 or basalt once the epoxy is added/figured in. Even better would have been a composite between bamboo, S2 glass or Basalt, and epoxy. I've experimented with such composites and they are amazingly tough, strong, and durable for their weight.

  • @northernsouler
    @northernsouler 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    As an Alaskan, my first thought upon learning about the Aptera was "There's no way that's practical here." Didn't take long to come to the exact same conclusions as you.
    Looking forward to driving the Aptera in our winters.

    • @therookienomore88
      @therookienomore88 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I’m holding off for that reason. Not sure where you live in AK, but I clearly remember ice packed highways when I lived there that a 3 wheeler would not work well with. I, however, would absolutely love to go visit and camping on the North Slope and northern Canada in the 24 hour sun in the summer in this vehicle.

    • @northernsouler
      @northernsouler 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@therookienomore88 I can't think of *any* passenger vehicle I'd take on the haul road in winter!
      I'm in a part of the state where the plows run reliably... so not Anchorage.

    • @drewlanz6287
      @drewlanz6287 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I am in Anchorage. And I'm still not convinced for a number of reasons. I would like to be wrong. But I think I'm going to wait till I see some reviews of this thing after a real winter or two. Even in this video the "snowy conditions" they showed it driving in was a light dusting, not a foot of snow all at once. How are those wheel pants going to do when the snow is at or near the same height as them and they have to plow through it? 4 wheeled cars can stay in the ruts that other cars have carved out but the third wheel on the Aptera is going to be sitting on a berm the entire time. And then there's the no door handles issue, but that seems to be all EVs, not just unique to Aptera.

    • @northernsouler
      @northernsouler 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@drewlanz6287 Good luck with the plows! Hopefully, the Muni gets it together after the next election.

    • @psylinx
      @psylinx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The other thing that we have to watch for is stuff on the roadway that could hit the back tire. And I live in Alaska too.
      George Davis

  • @bsl2501
    @bsl2501 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    (edit: oh never mind ... it's mentioned in the video...) winter driving and wheel well, and another +1 for aptera: since the motors are in the wheels hub motors, you get some defrosting happening in the wheel well from the heat radiating from the motors.

  • @cobaltblue1975
    @cobaltblue1975 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Also, another thing to consider with winter driving in the Aptera is the fact that you end up with a lot of sunny days. Its cold but SUNNY! So I imagine its passive charging capabilities will help a lot as well.

    • @dennisfahey2379
      @dennisfahey2379 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But some of that solar energy will need to keep the battery warm. Just as in hot climates the battery - even when not driving will need to be cooled. (That is a ding against the Tesla and Lightning.) And remember in Winter the days are shorter and the sun is not directly overhead hitting the panels optimally so it remains to be seen how this actually performs with real world empirical data.

  • @JBean_COCR
    @JBean_COCR 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I live in the Colorado mountains, and have spent over half my adult life living and driving in cold and snowy/icy/slushy/muddy situations. We only get about 12' of snow per season on average, not that much. However, where I'm at we also have several miles of dirt and chip seal roads. I've been thinking about this alot since ordering my Aptera several years ago now. We use winter/summer tires on our AWD Tesla M3 now, it is definitely the safest way to go, and I have two sets of wheels/tires for the car. I would do the same with Aptera (only cheaper!). There are different stages of snow, when it falls it is somewhere between fluffy (cold and dry) or slushy or in between, but until it has been disturbed it is typically the depth that is the biggest issue. I've taken the model 3 through 2' of fresh powder no problem, with 5" clearance. However once you disturb snow, it can become hard (think snow drifts/compacted snow, or snow that has turned to ice). Every year in the spring you see the pieces of plastic underbody that people have ripped off on this hard snow, so with a low clearance, this can be a problem. The other possible issue (or not) is the 3 separate tracks. In cars usually the rear tires follow the front tires unless you are turning tightly. In fresh snow having that single rear tire in the middle of the track, this shouldn't be a problem but you may have slightly less traction just having 3 tire contact patches than 4. However, in icy/chunky conditions that center rear wheel will help in some conditions (no ice/chunks) because you are between other car tracks, or if it's deep/muddy it might be worse traction on the rear. The biggest issue I foresee is the low ground clearance and high centering. Great show, thanks for covering this issue.

    • @Rhynri
      @Rhynri 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The aptera wheel pants have about the same clearance as our Chevy Spark EV did and the body itself has a fair bit more and it’s shaped like a sled. That Spark was a beast in the winter and happy went through anything we pointed it at with some decent winter tires on it, despite Chevy’s crap traction control and having too much torque for a small car. I’m sure the aptera will just eat up winter roads with that third driven tire sitting in the center.

    • @debriefthat
      @debriefthat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well said JBean. I am also concerned about the third track of the back wheel

    • @DrinkingStar
      @DrinkingStar 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I live in CT and have the same worries and concerns you stated about driving in the snow with the Aptera. If not for that, I would buy an Aptera in a heartbeat

    • @FerralVideo
      @FerralVideo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They offer an "Offroad" package on their website that raises the ride height. This would be highly useful for your situation.

  • @ResidentNetizen
    @ResidentNetizen 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    Here's a benefit of the single rear wheel- Have you ever driven a rear wheel off of a curb because you turned tightly coming out of a driveway? This will not happen with a tadpole trike!

    • @realmstupid-on8df
      @realmstupid-on8df 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Then I can't yell "fuck that curb!"

    • @dougbrittsan-yn9sl
      @dougbrittsan-yn9sl 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Can I still buy those antenna things my grandma had on her Buick Electra?

    • @douglasstone3813
      @douglasstone3813 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The best benefit of a three wheeler is you will never miss a pot hole or stray object in the road again, brace for impact!

    • @dvader3263
      @dvader3263 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Only 3 new tires to purchase instead of 4.
      Brake pad, rotor and tire replacements can be done in 25% less time.

    • @tims8603
      @tims8603 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dougbrittsan-yn9sl Curb feelers? Yes you can. I was wondering that myself when people were talking about scraping the wheel pants on curbs. I looked on ebay and they are available.

  • @sturmeko
    @sturmeko 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    I think biggest concern with winter is not mentioned in the video, the fact that rear wheel wouldn't fit on the tracks. In winter snowy conditions tracks will form which are cleaner road, and in between and around them there will be showy and icy parts. When you drive on these tracks you are fine, but when you go off them, car starts to slide a lot, especially during the corner. And Aptera or any 3 wheeled car of this configuration will constantly have real wheel off the tracks, in "drift" mode.

    • @Wordsmiths
      @Wordsmiths 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      True. In fresh snow this might not be much of a problem unless the snow is like 10" deep... but in crappy half-melted half-frozen-crud situations, that rear wheel will be juddering all over the place. Slow driving through town it will merely be uncomfortable, but at highway speeds it will be dangerous.
      On the other hand, most highways in Nevada and northern CA are cleared pretty quick. The icy/crusty/cruddy stuff is usually on the side streets in small towns, and that too will get plowed away at some point (or just melt finally).
      Seems like you'll just need to drive carefully. Which you'll be doing anyway in those conditions.

    • @justinw1765
      @justinw1765 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yah, it would suck, but on backroads for slow driving, you can just throw a snow sock on the rear tire and get A LOT better traction

    • @adolfgerhardhermann5952
      @adolfgerhardhermann5952 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Or - check this out - you mount a small ski under the rear wheel: problem solved.

    • @gregkocher5352
      @gregkocher5352 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Small width cars have this issue too. Having awd drive may help the rear wheel climb in and out of ruts. Lookibg forward to see how this goes.

    • @johnossendorf9979
      @johnossendorf9979 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If it can't at least match the all conditions winter driving capabilities of the average Subaru it's not good enough to be the vehicle I depend on.

  • @peterlundskow4061
    @peterlundskow4061 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks for the great answers to the winter questions. I just discovered your channel & have reserved an Aptera very early on,

  • @Leonardokite
    @Leonardokite 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Generally snow builds up in the middle of the lane right where the rear wheel would be. That could be a possible issue. Also the rear wheel does go up and down in the wheel well. I really doubt those will be issues, but if they are it will be for a smaller percentage of people and not year round.

    • @christophers707
      @christophers707 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It will also push through that built up snow in the middle losing more efficiency. Hopefully it has a sophisticated traction control so the rear wheel wont try to spin you out during a turn in slippery conditions. TBH if you live in an area that snows I would get something else

    • @northernsouler
      @northernsouler 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Y'all don't have plows? Seriously, I live on an Alaskan hillside and my neighbor with an electric Smart Car said she could count on one hand the number of days per year (with fingers left over) that she couldn't drive her vehicle. If that thing with its narrow wheel base didn't get snowed in, the Aptera will be fine.

    • @Leonardokite
      @Leonardokite 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@christophers707 I really don't think it will be a big deal. I'm invested and will find out.

    • @garywozniak7742
      @garywozniak7742 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      We just need more Aptera's on the road.

    • @Leonardokite
      @Leonardokite 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@garywozniak7742 Now that sounds like a winning idea!!!

  • @johntrotter8678
    @johntrotter8678 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Keeping the interior warm/cool depends on heat transmission through the surfaces, true, but perhaps even more on air leakage. The three "doors" need quality sealing, as does the "firewall". I expect the Aptera to do well, but we will need real-world experience.

    • @danielthompson3928
      @danielthompson3928 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      A standard electric vehicle will have 4 doors and a hatch/trunk for heat to escape. How is Aptera having only 3 openings a bad thing?

  • @plasticonion
    @plasticonion 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Wow. Didn't know the US was going thru such a bad winter and yet up here in Ontario Canada we're having record breaking highs. We had temps up to 54 the other day and very little snow. I love the Aptera. Thx for keeping us up on it.

    • @paulrybarczyk5013
      @paulrybarczyk5013 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Actually it's been pretty mild here in Illinois, except for the few days of -10F that infamously hit Chicago. A couple days ago, it got above 60F, which is unusual for early February.

    • @robertkirchner7981
      @robertkirchner7981 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Cape Breton weeps in Gaelic.

    • @plasticonion
      @plasticonion 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robertkirchner7981 I Hear ya brother. I've seen the footage. You guys really got hit

    • @JayCAlan
      @JayCAlan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We're not. Just one cold snap in January that the media exaggerated. Also, it rained in California

    • @justinw1765
      @justinw1765 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is all going to get much worse in the next few years as the way over pent up Beaufort Gyre releases all that cold, fresh water into the general ocean circulation and significantly slows down and weakens the AMOC.
      Northern Europe + Britain + Iceland in particular are going to get extremely bad winters. But Nova Scotia etc will get hit pretty hard too.

  • @mikeboyle269
    @mikeboyle269 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I've driven in snow where the tire ruts can be 6-8 inches deep. It is hard to drive when the ruts get that deep with 4 wheeled cars, I can't see it as even possible with a three wheeled car. But I lived in Idaho at the time and it happened when driving through a ski resort town. I see it as a potential problem. But the Aptera won't be my only car. I can drive something else if I'm going somewhere like that.

  • @jeffcarlton3590
    @jeffcarlton3590 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks, and Chris Anthony told us at the EVA meeting a couple weeks ago that putting standard snow cables on the front tires is not a problem.

  • @popebobcat3716
    @popebobcat3716 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The torque vectoring should make it relatively good in inclimate weather. However, someone once told me that once it is too dangerous to be driving around with 2 wheel drive, you shouldn't be driving in 4 wheel drive either.
    As for 3 wheels in snow, anyone who has tried knows about following the tracks of the cars who have gone before. Seems like the third wheel would drag like a rudder keeping you straight. Anyone behind you would have to suffer with snow from the middle plowed into the tracks. Similar to when you almost loose control because someone in front changed lanes.

  • @chinotarareono7678
    @chinotarareono7678 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don't disagree with any of this with Aptera. As a matter of fact, I believe this vehicle will work better than most current cars will in the winter. As a person that lives in Indiana. I do look forward to seeing Aptera soon. But from Aptera's perspective, I have not seen them do winter testing yet to be sure this vehicle's cabin is up to the task of keeping the vehicle very toasty on those winter months. I am looking to see when they will do this soon. It would make me happier to see this testing soon from Aptera. 🤔

    • @jerrymcintire7902
      @jerrymcintire7902 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Me too! Living in northern Michigan, I want a heater that will do the job on the coldest days.

  • @louisjov
    @louisjov 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I live in Alaska, and while there's definitely more SUVs here, there's still a lot of Priuses, minivans, and other low clearance cars driving around here in the winter without much trouble.
    Ground clearance is not as much of an issue as most people would think, assuming of course, you aren't going down a forest road, because cities do a good job of clearing the roads here.
    Definitely get AWD and winter tires though

  • @craigarnold1212
    @craigarnold1212 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Plus each motor has its own inverter so it has vectored thrust for quick reaction to lost traction! I think Raj [an ambassador] took a heat meter to aptera motors for a meeting just before gamma reveal in San Diego. Showed a nice heat map on the outside of the fairings of the gamma. It should melt snow well. But the fairings do pose an issue in deeper than 5 inches that is similar to a regular car wheel. In that a ridge of snow [in the center of a road or on the side of the road] can create enough force on the wheel to twist the body and make turning into the skid nearly impossible. Been there done that 40 years ago on compressed wet snow where the tracks were 6" lower than center area. Hopefully vectored thrust might keep you out of a ditch in that situation?
    I am most interested in knowing how it will respond with the rear wheel in untracked snow or slightly compressed snow. As there are not a lot of three wheeled vehicles driving up to a ski resort. My feeling is that it may float a bit under the right snow conditions that snow tires thrive in. Leaving nice tracks that could improve stability. Better to be on a layer of snow than one of ice! It will not be what I will drive in deep dumps of snow with more falling during the day until I get a good feel for it on snow. And what the power cost will be to keep the batteries properly warm at 5, 10 and 20 degrees f for up to 7 hours.

  • @HermannKerr
    @HermannKerr หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am a guy from the Great White North who drives in the winter and have being doing that for a long time. Front wheel drive works very well in the winter in icy and snowy conditions way better than rear wheel drive. I use Ice Radials and the best I have ever used are Hakkapelittas (they have no tires 195/45 R16) but other ones could work well. I would be more concerned with the width of the tire and the availability of these soft compound tires. The power rear wheel would help a little but what I have seen is that most people don't know how to drive in snow. Personally I would love to have an Aptera.
    I also ride a trike (manual pedal) and your comment about pot holes is very true as I blew a rear tire once travelling down hill at speed (90 km/hr). I figure it had to be a pot hole.

  • @TheGreatSteve
    @TheGreatSteve 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I was dodging potholes today on some of the UK's narrow roads.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      sure glad I don't live and drive in UK.

  • @jonathonalsop2120
    @jonathonalsop2120 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    For winter driving I think of two possible issues. The rear wheel not travelling on cleared road, whether it's snow, ice, slush or water, the rear wheels traction control will have more work to do. Also in the case of my driveway the centre is raised which will angle the front of the Aptera down, not sure if that's much of an issue. The second issue I have is how well will it plow through 2 feet of snow, my driveway and road see banks like this sometimes and while the overall clearance of the Aptera will be great, that much snow might fill the wheel pans and turn the suspension into a solid block of snow/ice.

    • @IBMara
      @IBMara 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't think the wheel pants will fill with snow. There isn't much room for it. As to the suspension, it is outside of the wheel pants and should not be affected at all. 😊

    • @markshields9284
      @markshields9284 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True for front, not for rear....?@@IBMara

  • @demandred1957
    @demandred1957 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I live in Missouri... We get thunder snow storms. Can easily get 5-8 inches in one shot.
    But looking at the wheel pants, I bet it would be easy to take them off..
    Then it looks like you would have about 10 inches of clearance. Which is about what I need to drive down the mile and a half of unplowed gravel road, from the two miles of blacktop road, that comes from the interstate. Ground clearance aint no joke around here.

  • @nathangibson2114
    @nathangibson2114 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    After the disappointing range on the cyber truck, I've already put 60k miles on my model y in 14 months, I'm hype for the Aptera

    • @jdcarguy1242
      @jdcarguy1242 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's vaporware.

  • @L6Jeremy
    @L6Jeremy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    lmao... I have no idea why, but for some reason I had a dream that you uploaded a video called "why I'm canceling my aptera reservation" and like pushed the car into a lake or something lmao

    • @therookienomore88
      @therookienomore88 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I hope you’re getting proper sleep Jeremy lol

    • @L6Jeremy
      @L6Jeremy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@therookienomore88 😅😅

    • @lectricbill3329
      @lectricbill3329 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No more sativa for Jeremy before bed!

  • @elertus
    @elertus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you. I am hoping for same.
    Snow is not a issue here.
    We see how non stick kitchenware prevent sticking 🤔 Has anyone tried to play with those coating a wheel well!
    I have no idea on cost. Granted coatings are only good until damaged. ( I have seen this in my pharma engineering experiences when electro polished stainless steel , ceramic and Teflon degrade “ over time “ ) Coatings add weight and costs and not all need it ( me )😞
    Only three wheel wells in an Aptera!
    Don’t they already add an inexpensive slip coat to some show shovels?
    Just thinking out loud !

  • @tims8603
    @tims8603 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I'm pretty sure it's the wheel pants that are 5" clearance. The belly pan clearance is 7". Either way, the belly pan is smooth and should slide over the snow and the wheel pants should plow through snow. Ice and black ice are a problem with any vehicle. They even have black ice in Nevada. It happens even in warm weather. It can be caused by water evaporating from hot pavement.

    • @vic321344
      @vic321344 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Whell pants clearance is 3"

    • @tims8603
      @tims8603 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vic321344 You're wrong again. Don't you get tired of being wrong?

    • @vic321344
      @vic321344 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tims8603 3" is what the last prototype had. The only real information. You are talking about the "offroad" package, that does not exist.
      You're wrong again. Don't you get tired of being wrong?

    • @tims8603
      @tims8603 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vic321344 Jason Hill said that on the PI builds the wheel pants will have a 5" clearance. Wrong again! Do you even watch the videos or do you just make assumptions based on your preconceived notions? I think it's the latter.

    • @vic321344
      @vic321344 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "will have". the most used words with Aptera. Until now just empty promises.
      And if you think it is a good idea to scratch with your belly over snow, nulling the traction of the rear wheel: so be it.

  • @user-zb5hx5in5m
    @user-zb5hx5in5m 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Often the biggest problem is getting a vehicle out of its parking spot after a snow storm. So I assume that pushing the aptera free will be much easier as (1) it’s lighter; (2) the belly pan is much like a sled so should glide over built up snow easier;(3) one can get shoulders easily under the tail to push up and forwards; (4) I assume that having the heavy weight in the actual wheels will crest better traction.

  • @rolandjarrett611
    @rolandjarrett611 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    An issue for winter driving is under snowy conditions where a build-up of unplowed snow can occur in the centre of a road, which is where the rear wheel is running.
    However, this is a rare occurrence, and i am writing from Canada. Also my experience with ev's in general is the owning and driving experience particularly in winter does require a paradigm shift in expectations.
    I would never go back to an ICE car though i still require and ICE pickup for work, Stelantis looks like they have an interesting solution the others are simply playing with large batteries which is not a solution for a pickup that needs to tow or work under difficult conditions or long daily ranges.

  • @MarkVance-r5d
    @MarkVance-r5d หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I drive in the winter, and am going up a slippery hill, I will sometimes move towards the berm, and get my tires into virgin snow. The tire tracks are compacted and more slippery. A three wheel drive puts your rear tire in the snow in between the tracks.

  • @robcarl1100
    @robcarl1100 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for posting this. Let me preface this by saying I like the concept of the Aptera and currently own an EV so am definitely not biased against electric cars. I live in the Buffalo area, and we get some fairly deep snow in a short period of time. My friend owns one of these, what I call, reverse trikes (gas powered) and he has problems in snow around turns, where the back end kicks out, and on snow covered hills where there is a noticeable loss of traction. Since the aptera is AWD, the latter probably isn't an issue which makes it more interesting. If the wheels are independently controlled (not sure if they are), I imagine an algorithm can be made to compensate for the back end kicking out. If this is the case, I'd be much more interested in trying one out when they're available. I'm not sold but you softened me up a bit, thank you.

    • @n.brucenelson5920
      @n.brucenelson5920 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Each wheel can independently detect tire slip about every 2.5" of tread travel and adjust torque. This is a superior performance - and much better than a Tesla, for one EV example/

  • @mjhopgoodswe
    @mjhopgoodswe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    In Northern countries with long winters, the roads end up with ruts where Tyres have worn down the snow down to the asphalt. This will make driving more difficult at two wheels will be in the ruts and one on the packed snow.

    • @justinw1765
      @justinw1765 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Rear snow sock will help a lot, at least for slower backroads.

    • @mjhopgoodswe
      @mjhopgoodswe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@justinw1765Where I live, studsed tyres or all Weather tyres are mandatory.
      Even with winter Tyres, the rear wheel will be riding on the ridge between the ruts making the ride at the back very jolty and perhaps unstable, not to mention increasing the drag.
      Sometimes, you can feel the Tyres slide into place like if they were on a railway line. Now you would get two in place and a lighter rear jumping around like an empty trailer.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      why in the world would the snow be 'packed' where it is not compressed or driven over? More fairy tales?

  • @russbowman6801
    @russbowman6801 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This could be the car of the future, new shapes yet to come. The mold making is very astute because it needs to take into account shrinkage or expansion and different outcomes from different parameters that can affect fit and finish. Even more, the greater the length, the more critical this shrinkage or expansion can affect fit and finish. Congratulations on a very difficult mold making craft few in the world could accomplish! No wonder this will take millions more to get this into production on a large scale. I truly hope you make it. I will buy one if it can be done on my limited income in retirement.

  • @PWRMIDR
    @PWRMIDR 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love your content and people are way too worried about winter driving with EVs. As a Model 3, rear-wheel drive, LFP, driver and Aptera reservation holder in Michigan, I actually wish Aptera was using LFP for cost, longevity, and sustainability purposes. Most range loss is from air resistance which increases in cold, dense winter air. I see a max of about 30% range loss in winter, which is about the same as my prior ICE vehicle from years ago. A 50% loss is way overestimated in my opinion. Aptera being highly aerodynamic and efficient should also do well with dense winter air and range. The 400-mile Aptera is still the sweet spot in my view, regardless of the season. Appreciate your videos!

    • @n.brucenelson5920
      @n.brucenelson5920 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Due to the lower energy density, and poorer cold weather performance, LFP would actually be a worse choice for Aptera. Chris Anthony is well aware of LFP performance, since he co-founded and took public a battery company using them. Otherwise, I agree with your comment.

    • @PWRMIDR
      @PWRMIDR 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's cool. I'd still take LFP even if it meant taking up more space, and thus the 600 or 1,000 mile options weren't feasible. 400 miles is more than enough for me with Supercharger access, even with range loss. Gotta stretch. Also looking forward to the mph of L2 and L1 on something this efficient. 😀

  • @gregkelmis2435
    @gregkelmis2435 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As someone who’s road for many decades, motorcycles in the dirt, and on the street and three wheelers of various sorts and types for a stupid government banned them. I’m a say anyone who would say just off the top of their head doctor isn’t good in the snow is a moron it’s all wheel drive. If you get the upgrade version why wouldn’t handle magnificently in the snow?

  • @TheScottShepard
    @TheScottShepard 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video. You should probably say “production intent” instead of PI build. Only those who closely follow Aptera or other big complex product development would know what that means. Also, those people don’t need to be educated on how Aptera will perform in cold weather. Otherwise, I couldn’t have said it better.

  • @jackrueppel4573
    @jackrueppel4573 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Would all wheel drive models or others benefit from the use of nitrogen filled tires to maintain constant tire pressure regardless of wheel well temperatures? Would “snow sox” fitted to the skinny tires make the AWD models a fantastic snow vehicle as long as asphalt concrete or packed road base is beneath the snow.

  • @JohnJohnson-rl7fq
    @JohnJohnson-rl7fq 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I live in Phoenix. I can’t wait until the Aptera hits the market. I might never have to plug in again.

  • @peterlundskow4061
    @peterlundskow4061 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Boulder, CO has a lot of sun in winter so that will be great as well!

  • @-NGC-6302-
    @-NGC-6302- 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It gets better and better to the point I can't help but understand why people assume it's too good to be true. I love it!

  • @andrewt9204
    @andrewt9204 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The rear wheel is going to be a problem during times when there's a few inches of heavy slush/ice in the center of the lane, it's going to be wildly unstable. In a 4 wheel car just grazing the edge of the tracks causes instability. It's not an often occurrence, heavy snow and slush on the road is only during or shortly after a snowfall until the plows are able to come through. But even so, there's still usually some ice in the center for a while after plowing, you'll have to be careful.
    Unless the motor heat melts most everything, it's just going to turn into a massive ice chunk in there. You see that with in-town driving with a lot of braking in a gas car. The brakes heat up, start melting the snow and then it refreezes as ice. The exterior motor temp may not get that hot anyway if the car is trying to scavenge heat from them, which I assume it will.
    That's been one nice thing with my model 3, there's little brake use, so it doesn't ice up everything in the wheel wells.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm sure every single Aptera owner will definitely go out in severe snow/ice storms! Yes they definitely will...I'm sure they'll ALL go out to experience the treacherous roads! Yep....only stupid, idle people will stay in until the bulk of the storm is over or plows have had the opportunity to clear the roads. Yep, we Aptera drivers will definitely venture out and deal with all the road hazards (snow, ice, crusted mounts, sea salt encrustations) that winter brings, most assuredly each and every day! Chicken little says so! Yep, third wheel will be very very unstable and lose 'tracktion'....yep, that's it, sure.....

  • @javeronh.3996
    @javeronh.3996 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    snow is why I like front wheel drive if not all wheel drive. then at least I can control where my nose goes easier

  • @ab3000x
    @ab3000x 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great point about the hot motors melting snow and ice in the winter months - I hadn't thought of that. Something that just came to mind is how heat affects tire pressure. There's a noticeable difference in tire pressure from winter to summer. I'm wondering how high the tire pressure will rise on hot summer days with hot motors spinning near by? I rode a long-distance charity bike ride in the summer years ago. Bicycle tires (tubes) were popping from the heat of the weather and road friction heat - that wouldn't happen in the winter. I guess it's something you just have to keep an eye on.

    • @tims8603
      @tims8603 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Car tires are a lot different than bicycle tires. The tires on my car recommend 32 lbs but they also say 44 lbs max.

  • @rogerhuston8287
    @rogerhuston8287 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I live in the mountains and can deal with feet of snow at a time.
    1. The suspension moving up and own in a wheel well can knock stuck now off. Aptera having a fixed well means the snow will build up and surround the tire with no way of knocking it off. I'm suspect that the solid wheel shroud is a good thing.
    2. Traction, 2 wheels have more traction than 1. One tire slips, the other tire can often make up for it. With today's advanced antislip traction controls, there is more to work with. My concern is if the rear tire slips, you're back end is slipping, and considering the middle wheel is not in the worn tire section of the road, it is a concern.
    3. Can you even put a chain on the rear wheel? How does that work and if something happened to it, would it mess up the internals of the wheels? I would certainly suggest the manufacturer say "no cables" allowed as when they break they can cut break lines. Just imagine what it could do to an Aptera wheel with a motor and all the lines going to it.
    Can it work in snow? Maybe, but I will have to see it tried and tested first and not just conjecture from someone with little to now snow driving experience. Those of us that live in show, understand there are many different types of snow and conditions can change quickly. It will certainly work in many snow conditions, but I don't think it works in all. Hell, most Californian's can't even drive in the rain. I won't simply take conjecture that it will do well, I need to see evidence it works.

  • @Thunderbuck
    @Thunderbuck 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree with all of your assessments here. I drive a Mach-E in Whitehorse, Yukon and we get SERIOUS winter here. I think that Aptera could largely be an improvement (it’s already got better ground clearance.
    My one concern, and others have mentioned it in the comments here, is is rutted snow packed roads. I’m concerned that in driving an Aptera on such a road that the rear wheel is going to constantly get pulled to one side or the other and that could affect stability.
    Now, good stability control that’s programmed to anticipate this behavior might fix it, but I’d like to see a demo or this.
    It’s worth noting that while this may be the greatest risk in winter, many dry, paved roads can develop worn ruts and in wet conditions this strikes me as a risk.
    I love Aptera. I could see myself owning one and I want to see them succeed but I haven’t seen any effort to address this yet.

  • @roberttherrien352
    @roberttherrien352 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In winter the lower part of the 3 wheel wells have to be removeable. That would solve a lot of problems. Stud tires would also be a must where I live. And that would be a buy for me.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why are you automatically assuming and believing that there will be a problem? On what basis? I guess logic and verified facts dont count for anything anymore.

  • @IBMara
    @IBMara 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I do think high siding might be an issue? If this happens, I hope the battery heat will eventually melt that snow away. I'll have to wait and see. Good snow tires and AWD are a must. Maybe I'll need to bring a shovel, small winch and tow strap along?
    If a driver lives in the snow and is comfortable driving in it, I don't think there will be any insurmountable problems.
    Will it be possible to straddle the buildup of snow in the center of the road? You would have one front wheel and the rear wheel in one rut and the other front wheel in the other rut.
    The reason I am buying an Aptera is my granddaughters. I want them and their children to live on this lovely planet.😊

    • @n.brucenelson5920
      @n.brucenelson5920 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "The reason I am buying an Aptera is my granddaughters. I want them and their children to live on this lovely planet."
      Couldn't have said it better!

  • @Rhynri
    @Rhynri 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One thing Drew forgot to comment on about the battery is that unlike most EVs, the bottom of the aptera battery does not share structure with the outside of the car. It’s situated inboard of the skin thanks to the shape, which should mean it’s much easier to condition.

    • @Rhynri
      @Rhynri 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s not what I mean, on a traditional battery pack it shares a “surface” with the exterior of the car. Usually there are a few layers of protection directly below it but there is very little thickness and the air passing under the car can remove heat relatively quickly. The batteries in the Aptera aren’t directly against the bottom skin.

    • @Ralphie419
      @Ralphie419 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@billsmith5960 - Judging from the illustrations, the battery modules are long rectangles with flat bottoms. The car's lower surface is rounded when seen from the front, so those long rectangles would come near the exterior of the body only at the sides, near their ends. In the middle, the belly would be a few inches below the battery. This gap below the battery will undoubtedly be occupied by various pieces of equipment, including the car's cooling system that they've mentioned.

  • @jimargeropoulos8309
    @jimargeropoulos8309 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    We get 250" of snow every year where I live. I'm not worried about build up. I'm worried about snow plow mounds as they cross roads. They can easily be 8" of compacted snow. Hit those with the wheel pants and what happens?

    • @danielthompson3928
      @danielthompson3928 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If it is an 8” wall I assume the same thing that would happen to the bumper of any car. Otherwise the wheel pants go up with the wheel.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      so you like the impassible snow mythology too? Fascinating. I've never seen that result from a snow plow and I live in the snow belt with over 100" of snow each season.

  • @leesakowski790
    @leesakowski790 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Originally coming from an area with snowy winters: the one thing I wonder about is how the centrally mounted rear wheel will handle the way snow accumulates on roads? By this I mean the snow is normally pushed out of the tire paths and will build up between the lanes, but also build up in the center of the lane. The Aptera, having a centrally mounted wheel in the back, will have that wheel firmly in the center of that mound of snow for the entire trip down the road. Yes, the front tires should line up nicely in the tire paths, but that rear wheel will, at minimum, not give a pleasant ride as it is riding through that mound of snow and ice.
    I am a reservation holder of an Aptera and look forward to eventually getting the vehicle and letting my Mustang be moved into the "fun car to drive now and then" category instead of being the daily commuter it is now.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't know what the hell kind of snow plows you people have in your areas? I've never every seen a split blade snow plow that would 'channel' snow/ice into elongated mounds in the middle of roads. Where I live, plows clear snow completely off the travel surface....COMPLETELY!

  • @davidmccarthy6061
    @davidmccarthy6061 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good point about the heat in the wheel pans so we'll see how it works in real life. Still seems to be a vehicle primarily for warm zones, and likely not someone's sole vehicle anyway. Although with the climate continuing to change it appears that Chicago has had its one real snowfall this winter. More practical than the Polaris Slingshot at least. I would consider one if I lived in Arizona. It won't change the world but could be an alternative for some people and we need niche products like this too.

  • @johnbutler1279
    @johnbutler1279 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Snow build up in the wheel wells because suspention travel? I could be wrong, but rotational force drags the snow into the wells, not bouncing. I also believe the wheels moving up and down knocks more of it out.

  • @mr.orange1482
    @mr.orange1482 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can you talk about aptera's partnership with comma Ai open pilot

  • @BoneTime
    @BoneTime 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I live in CO. Looks like death over the continental divide on I-70 during an unexpected snowstorm. Those wheel wells will fill with snow and ice

  • @feandil666
    @feandil666 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My worry is more with potholes, that's why I'm waiting on the off-road kit, it's a must in Canada the roads being so bad.

  • @jeffgrave
    @jeffgrave 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really appreciate a smart engineer based analysis you provide for EV's.

  • @jesselferguson
    @jesselferguson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My biggest concern isn't with driving in the snow or the cold, but the rain. My Chevy Bolt has a rearview camera, and I love it, but when it rains, the camera gets so blurry and distorted that it becomes unusable, and I have to switch back to the normal mirror. On the Aptera there are effectively *no* standard mirrors, so if the cameras become illegible there's no backup, and no visibility. I really want the Aptera to succeed, and I want to own one, but I live in Washington State, where it rains *a lot,* so if I can't use it in the rain, it'll be a deal-breaker. I've yet to see the folks at Aptera address this, maybe you can ask them about it next time you talk to them :)

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do you actually think/ Believe that no one can design and build a modern vehicle better than Gen Motors? That's EXACTLY WHY I would buy an Aptera and NeVeR AGAIN a GM CAR--rust-out, failure-prone, Union misassembled JUNK!

    • @jesselferguson
      @jesselferguson 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rchender that's not what I'm saying at all. I *love* the Aptera, and I want them to succeed. But no one there has even *mentioned* how they're handling visibility in the rain. I believe they can do it, but I need to hear the details, or see it in action. If I'm going to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a vehicle, I want to know I'll be able to drive it the whole year.

  • @garryt6356
    @garryt6356 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have had an Aptera in order for about 18 months and I am really looking forward to it. But I have concerns….
    I am concerned about driving in snow. Mainly because you usually end up driving in two tire tracks the other vehicles create. But… the rear wheel on the Aptera will sit nicely between tracks, and will be driving on built up displaced snow and ice in the middle of the lane.
    Also changing will be interesting, because of the build up between the lanes. Yes, you could say the same it true with other vehicles… but they also have more rubber in contact with the road and cross the built up snow/ice at pretty much the same time.
    The low slung belly of the vehicle with the battery pack low down also concerns me, because a number of EV’s have suffered battery pack damage from low speed collisions which the driver didn’t even notice.
    Other issues, the short and long term impact on the health of the battery in extreme temperatures and fluctuations. I currently have to change my ICE vehicle battery every two years, due to the extreme heat and cold (I live in Canada). If it does that to my ice vehicles battery, what about an EV battery? Yes EV batteries are heated. But not when they are parked or overnight. Changing an ice vehicles battery is bearable… but not an EV’s.
    All said and done, I desperately want Aptera to succeed and I am looking forward to mine… but I am not blind to the issues I face.

    • @n.brucenelson5920
      @n.brucenelson5920 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I live in Iowa, where we had -30 C weather a couple of weeks ago. I will probably have mine in the first half of 2025, and will report in detail on my experience when the time comes.

    • @garryt6356
      @garryt6356 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@n.brucenelson5920 thanks Bruce!

  • @joblo341
    @joblo341 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Couple ideas for those of us in cold climates:
    1. How about a simple 120V resistance battery blanket, like we already use on 12 batteries. Just bigger?
    2. How about simple passive insulation to conserve any heating that is done?
    3. Are there battery chemistries that are better in cold? Maybe switch battery pack in fall? Or maybe a mixed chemistry battery pack?
    4. You mention excess heat from wheel motors, would it be feasible to recycle it to battery heating? As a "northern package"?

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting ideas....a nice change rather than the wild-eyed negative speculation that may uninformed commenters on this vid and others about Aptera keep making. I appreciate your thoughts.

  • @gordonandhollinewhite2214
    @gordonandhollinewhite2214 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think they should eventually build a cold-climate Aptera, with a heat pump and a battery chemistry especially good in the cold -- solid state, maybe?

    • @danielthompson3928
      @danielthompson3928 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think they will definitely add features like these in the future when the money starts rolling in. More power to them. I’ll go ahead and get my 1k range, all wheel, all solar panel spec’d out noir and then they can work on that for the next generation. I will gladly give my dollars to help.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hate to inform you, but heat pumps quickly become inefficient and ineffective when temps get below 28 or so. THey are only beneficial when temps are ABOVE 35 deg F or so.

  • @stickynorth
    @stickynorth 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Aptera should open a real world test centre up the I-15 in Edmonton to see how these cars handle in -40c, because that's what we had for a daytime high like 3 weeks ago.
    And EV's handled MUCH better in those conditions than gas cars did. Believe me. My fam's Matrix was frozen solid until the weather thawed because the block heater wasn't plugged in. So it's almost like electricity is the way to go in these situations after all... ;-)

    • @n.brucenelson5920
      @n.brucenelson5920 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Aptera's CTO is located in Canada. That may be a possibility. I live in Iowa, where we just had -30 C temps (-22F) and feet of snow. I will likely have an Aptera next year and will report on my experience in such conditions. I am not too concerned.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why not absolute zero.....afterall, I'm absolutely certain that ALL vehicles currently on th road perform perfectly normally and very efficiently at absolute zero ! Sticky are you seriouslyo suggesting that that's the only hold-back for Aptera--NOT testing at -40? Sure glad you don't live next door to me.

    • @n.brucenelson5920
      @n.brucenelson5920 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rchender If you don't understand that no vehicle can be taken down to absolute zero, let alone operate there, then you shouldn't be commenting without an /s tag on subjects with technical content.

  • @SeanLinsley
    @SeanLinsley 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    my main problem with the launch edition is the lack of a heat pump, so generating heat is going to need a lot more power than e.g. Tesla's heat pump. hopefully they source a heat pump by the time the 1,000 mile range model starts shipping

    • @jerrymcintire7902
      @jerrymcintire7902 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My experience with the heat pump in our Tesla makes me glad that the Aptera won't have one. The heat pump can't handle the hottest or the coldest days.

    • @n.brucenelson5920
      @n.brucenelson5920 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jerrymcintire7902 That is not an issue with heat pumps in general, but merely with the particular design.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jerrymcintire7902 Absolutely correct!

  • @jamesphillips2285
    @jamesphillips2285 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5:28 one morning after not cleaning my bike when it was wet the previous evening: the tire froze to the fender.
    I ended up freeing it with a screwdriver on the ice after apparently breaking mom's hairdryer.
    To be clear: my bicycle does not have any suspension to allow the wheel to move independently of the fender.

    • @garywozniak7742
      @garywozniak7742 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Aptera's fenders are Fiberglass SMC and the Elaphe wheel motors have tremendous torque. Of the nearly 4 decades of driving in New England winters I never once had my wheel unable to rotate after the crud frozen in overnight. I did have morning while although I could back up or move foward, I could turn the front wheels because the wheel wells wee so jammed with frozen crud that wheels couldn't turn to tge left or the right. That won't be an issues with the Aptera. There are no cavernous wheel well and the tires move with the wheel pants

    • @jamesphillips2285
      @jamesphillips2285 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@garywozniak7742 Well I have only had my bike freeze up like that once.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@garywozniak7742 Exactly gary! Spot on.

  • @DoItYourDream
    @DoItYourDream 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Give one and I would test it with pleasure in Quebec Canada. sure I would have no issue

  • @owenlaprath4135
    @owenlaprath4135 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You address almost everything very well!
    There is just that 3 wheel thing, which is plain and simple physics:
    3 wheels get more pressure per wheel than if distributing vehicle weight and dynamic pressure over 4 wheels!
    That means better traction and breaking per wheel than on 4 wheels, which evens the whole equation, so there is NO problem.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would think that the PRESSURE on the tyre contact surface would be Total Vehicle Weight divided by three wheels or four wheels. Lighter total mass divided by three would be less than larger metal frame/body mass divided by four.

  • @calebjc
    @calebjc 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very pro Aptera but I do wonder living in Vermont about potholes, and curbs that are high enough to hit our Toyota Sienna bumper because of frost heaves and their granite old-school types curbs, and then the snow buildup which I hope couldn’t melt or come off with the fender for cleaning, but it often has dirt in it and becomes like ice concrete in our wheel wells. And we don’t have a garage. I think ideally in a cold climate like Vermont, you’re gonna need a good garage, ideally heated for night time thawing. Although I will say February and March have way more intense, although low angle, sun than people think.

  • @danielthompson3928
    @danielthompson3928 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is it possible that the solar panels can stay clear of snow just like Tesla’s solar roof? If so, there’s a few different things the vehicle could do to keep itself in a usable state throughout snowy weather.

  • @rogerleroux5020
    @rogerleroux5020 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello! Thanks for good quality videos. Question: Living in Québec, our winters are most often harsh. But, the main concern on making our cars last longer in winter here is the salt and calcium and sand and other stuff that they put on our roads, which accelerate considerably the rusting process. Being mainly made of chemical elements, there is no worries there, however, what about the suspension and other metalic parts, especially the electric motors. How did the engineers deal with this reality of winter salt vs. electric motors? Thank you.
    Roger, Province of Québec

    • @lancedoyle5026
      @lancedoyle5026 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Take a look at the is Elpahe video on their stress testing motors. th-cam.com/video/8FLgqyD-K9M/w-d-xo.html The motors have been soaked in freezing salt brine, spun up while iced up, drop tested, etc. I think they will do just fine. Before I started investing in Aptera, I looked at everything I could find using my 45 years in engineering and product development looking for flaws. While everything is a compromise and won't work in all situations, I have no qualms about investing (I can afford to loose my investment, if you can't don't) and have no real concerns about the Aptera other than when will I get it.

  • @richardryley3660
    @richardryley3660 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Every time this topic comes up, I have the same question. The reduction in efficiency in the winter basically boils down to three factors. 1) higher air density means it takes more energy to push through it. 2) Batteries perform less efficiently in the cold. Below 32 degrees the battery can still discharge, but it it is more sluggish, and the reserve is lower because of slush in the electrolyte. 3) Batteries cannot charge below 32 degrees at all, because of the risk of fire. (Due to potential short circuit across the frozen electrolyte I think)
    The first should be less of an issue because the Aptera is so streamlined. The air doesn't have to be moved as far. That leaves the other two issues, that are based on the battery. It will be possible for the Aptera to warm up its battery so you will precondition your battery before charging it. That eliminates the third issue, leaving only the second.
    The heating system could warm up the battery all the time, making it more efficient. There is even solar power being generated while the sun is out, allowing that energy to be used to heat the battery. So the question that remains is, does the energy that has to be spent to keep the battery above freezing balance the energy that is "released" from the battery by warning it up. If yes, you would want to keep the battery warm, if no, you would want to keep the battery frozen, and accept the loss because you want to use that energy for driving. So if it's daytime, the Aptera should already be preconditioned and ready to go.
    Adding to this discussion is that if you are stopped, and generating solar power overall, instead of losing it, you will want the battery to be warm so you can store that excess charge. If it's day and the sun is out, you will want to warm up the battery so it can charge. If it is night and the battery is frozen, you will want to leave it frozen until the sun comes up.
    I find this idea fascinating. The Aptera will probably need software to regulate its temperature, just like a cold blooded animal.

    • @jamesphillips2285
      @jamesphillips2285 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Point 3 depends on the size of the battery and the design of the the charge controller.
      The bad things that happen when you charge below freezing don't really manifest until the end of charge.

    • @tims8603
      @tims8603 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The battery will use it's own energy to warm itself when it's not plugged in. This will significantly reduce the range. In extreme cold it could be a problem. I live in WI so I'll be watching owners who live in cold winter climates to hear what they say. It'll be a couple years before my number comes up.

    • @richardryley3660
      @richardryley3660 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@tims8603 Yeah, this is an issue with standard EVs. Since the drive train doesn't generate its own heat it has to spend extra energy to heat the battery and passengers.
      The Aptera, however, can use solar power. It will reduce the free solar power you would get from the sun, and still have to drain the battery when it is overcast, but there is still more freedom to keep the battery warm when a standard EV would sit there frozen.
      Note I'm assuming that the solar power generated will be enough to warm the battery. Unless it is like 40 degrees below zero I think it will be. But it depends on how thermally shielded the battery is. If all that heat is lost right away, you'll need to draw power from the battery.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@richardryley3660 I'm not sure if any of you have ever heard of this, but in very cold climates like Alaska, you can put a dipstick heater down in your crankcase. You plug this in--one can see standard electrical outlet plugs hanging out through the grills of many vehicles. It keeps the oil warm enough to enable the vehicle to start. Apterae can be plugged into to a regular household outlet via extension cord and that will power the battery management system that's been designed by Aptera engineers to keep the battery packs in a temperature 'sweet spot'

    • @richardryley3660
      @richardryley3660 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rchender Yeah the primary use for an automated preconditioning system would be with solar power, but it could run while the Aptera is plugged into 110 or 220 volts as well.

  • @saldevere9066
    @saldevere9066 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My preorder is for the AWD Aptera. I have no qualms.

  • @soaringeagle
    @soaringeagle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The one thing that I can see that might be different is typically four wheel vehicles create paths in the snow that straddle a center pile of snow, and the third wheel on the terror would be going right down that center snow mound. Normally 4 wheeled vehicles attempt to keep the wheels in the cleared paths other vehicles follow, and may skid when crossing that mound, or changing lanes. With the third wheel following right down that center snow strip, I can imagine a fishtail tendency, with the rear wheel attempting to slip towards either cleared wheel tracks..
    I have nothing to base this on except my imagination of how the wheels might handle partially cleared roads with clearly defined tracks from other vehicles.
    Thoughts?
    Please ask aptera to test this theory.

  • @wayne.edward.clarke
    @wayne.edward.clarke 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm not sure how much difference it'll make, but the superior aerodynamics of the Aptera mean that wind-cooling in the cold weather should be proportionately reduced, helping to keep the battery and interior warm, especially at highway speeds.

  • @donaldbreton3886
    @donaldbreton3886 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Curious about crash testing. Safety in an accident is going to be of great concern. I personally love this concept and at this point plan to invest and purchase one

    • @TailosiveEV
      @TailosiveEV  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Aptera Has HUGE Safety Emphasis
      th-cam.com/video/1ggfEKQJeA0/w-d-xo.html

    • @vic321344
      @vic321344 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TailosiveEV but not a single crashtest.

    • @TailosiveEV
      @TailosiveEV  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No point in doing a crash test without production parts. It will be done with the first PI builds

    • @vic321344
      @vic321344 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TailosiveEV But they claim since 2009 that their motorcycle confirms to all safety standards and is safer than anything else. Without any proof. It would be easy to use one of the older Prototypes to perform a crash test. Like they were also able to perform a moose test without a production prototype.

    • @fotoguru222
      @fotoguru222 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vic321344 🤔The Aptera AUTOCYCLE was designed to conform to all AUTOMOBILE safety standards. They could do a valid Moose Test because that tests only the suspension, which on the Beta prototype was already the production intent one. The crash tests can't be validly done until they have a vehicle with the production intent body materials, which the currently made prototypes don't use. Different materials compress, crack and crush differently. Understand now? 🧐

  • @paintingandlife4288
    @paintingandlife4288 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hope they are common tire sizes. If not your won’t ever see them buy two get one free for that size.

  • @sherlock1895
    @sherlock1895 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My possible concern is the light weight of the Aptera in snow. Case in point my pickup truck. It’s not really good in snow until I put additional weight in the bed. Then it’s fine. Cheers!

    • @fotoguru222
      @fotoguru222 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's because your truck has a rear wheel drive but its weight is mostly in the front. If it had front wheel drive or AWD, you wouldn't need to lug all that extra weight around. Aptera has AWD with its weight evenly distributed between all 3 wheels.

    • @sherlock1895
      @sherlock1895 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fotoguru222 I suspect I didn’t make my point very well. You must have weight to push the tires into the snow for grip. When I shovel some snow in the bed that provides the necessary weight to do just that…and it does. It doesn’t make any difference if the Aptera has 100 wheel drive if the tires aren’t pressing into the snow at obtain grip. I still see the Aptera as a fair weather vehicle…Florida yes, Alaska no. I like the Aptera concept but it’s not a do all vehicle. Cheers!

  • @rotorblade9508
    @rotorblade9508 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    most cars are at least 4 seaters but SmartFortwo had lots of sales so it’s not a rule. A 3 seater design in the future would make it more desirable

  • @waterhigh
    @waterhigh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    BTW - there was a photo on the cover of being on snow but no video showing operation in the snow.

  • @waterhigh
    @waterhigh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How will handle windshield condensation on the inside during the winter. Using the ac with the heater is what works the best on most vehicles but not clear to me yet that could be used to keep the windshield clear.

  • @MichaelMartini11730
    @MichaelMartini11730 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How is Apterra gonna handle the galvanic corrosion issues that carbon fiber is plaqued with when melded to aluminum.......?

  • @peterpadazopoulos2954
    @peterpadazopoulos2954 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Forget about snow, and range, who will fix it, when it breaks, is there a enough service stations throughout US?

    • @n.brucenelson5920
      @n.brucenelson5920 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Aptera is a right to repair company and anyone who wants to can work on it. My local stations in rural Iowa can't wait. If they are car guys - and most are - they are allowed.

  • @genephipps6421
    @genephipps6421 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The speed cover / wheel pants articulating with the wheel and tire is unlikely to decrease snow accumulation.

  • @therisensun9277
    @therisensun9277 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When driving on an unplowed road that has ruts on it, the center rear wheel will be on the center snowy spot, while the front two are in the ruts. I feel like you *can* drive that way, and you would only experience that on side/neighborhood streets, so that shouldn't be a maaajor concern

  • @daniellloyd3240
    @daniellloyd3240 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What is the water depth that it can drive into.? Without maybe damages the hub motor.

    • @beachbeemer
      @beachbeemer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Their statement is that it will float. If you want to turn it into a boat....have at it.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The motors have already been extensively tested in water, salt water, slush, snow, etc. /they passed with flying colors.

  • @Meisha-san
    @Meisha-san 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love your concise easy to understand discussions on these technical topics. Understanding the battery tech was important for me in this one--will certainly be referencing & sharing the vid. 👍

  • @partytoy1
    @partytoy1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My only concern is changing a flat tire especially on the back tires

  • @kensmith5694
    @kensmith5694 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really, it would be nice if you could raise the wheel pans and lock them up high. Yes, your range would suffer but the ability to take deep snow would be improved. Even better would be some sort of motor driven thing that lifted the whole thing up vs the wheels so the pans would rise a lot and the whole body would rise a little. It need not be quick about it because it is a thing you would only do before heading down some unplowed side street.

  • @rcbif101
    @rcbif101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah....any 3 wheel vehicle is gonna suck in the snow no matter what.
    You will have 2 front wheels with traction, while the rear rides on the "snow rail" that builds up in the center lane with very little fraction.

  • @Stuff_And_Things
    @Stuff_And_Things 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    From the back it just looks like its waiting for someone to back their motorcycle up to it and hitch it up. ;)

  • @MultisportOfficial
    @MultisportOfficial 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Question: If the wheel motors are producing enough heat to melt snow in winter, should there be a concern about heat buildup and overheating in summer?

    • @ab3000x
      @ab3000x 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's my question as well. Hot weather + hot motors = extremely high tire pressure (and maybe other problems). Hard tires are efficient but they're also terrible for traction. If they blow out from the heat that's a big problem.

    • @n.brucenelson5920
      @n.brucenelson5920 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Aptera has 3 separate cooling loops and will carefully monitor temps. It will reduce heat production by reducing power automatically if heat buildup exceeds the cooling capacity under some conditions.

  • @paulworkman2370
    @paulworkman2370 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Possibly silly concern about that hole in the body that the front suspension goes through: isn't water and dust going to get through there? And since the bottom is enclosed with that aluminum belly pan, won't the dust and water collect? I was anticipating adding some kind of flexible rubber plug there.

    • @lectricbill3329
      @lectricbill3329 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Aptera videos have said that the production models will have that opening covered with a rubber boot.

    • @rchender
      @rchender 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lectricbill3329 I didn't know that and had wondered about that myself. I was thinking of designing a silicone gland that would fit those two openings, but then didn't know if air flow through there was intended in part of the cooling system design. Good to know. Thanks.

  • @pygmyhorde1821
    @pygmyhorde1821 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    just snow on the ground isn't my concern. it deep unplowed roads. where the wheel skirts (what ever you want to call them) have to push through the snow. and could likely get damaged.

  • @Jttw2131
    @Jttw2131 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When you bring it to an automatic touchless car wash, can you hit a switch to open the tire covers so the tires get cleaned? How does the rear tire get cleaned since it's always covered? Wouldn't want wheels to corrode from salt.

  • @balahmay
    @balahmay 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think that the front wheel pants will tend to shed snow build up because of the continuous g loads they are subjected to as they are part of the “un-sprung” portion of the car. In fact a concern of mine is if the mounting points for the wheel pants will withstand that action.

  • @ronnw8153
    @ronnw8153 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What about for people that live in really hot climates? I'm more worried about the Aptera sitting in traffic on a 95 degree day ( the black tops at least going to be at least 120 ° F). I wonder what the difference is internally between the black and white wrap. I know you said it's like a thermos. But there's got to be some type of difference. Is it a .01° F difference for a 10°F difference?
    Additionally if I have to run the A/C less. That would obviously help out the range. But would having a white aptara get .01 miles more range or 10 miles or range ?
    There has to be some type of internal testing that Aptera has done. I just want to see the data.
    Btw I really want black but not at the cost of range or battery life.

    • @jerrymcintire7902
      @jerrymcintire7902 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good questions. Black is never a good color unless you live where it doesn't get hot at all.

    • @lancedoyle5026
      @lancedoyle5026 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      When is that hot, the sun will be out. I have heard the plan is to be able to use the energy from the panels to cool the vehicle while sitting unattended. You won't be getting into a hot car. Shouldn't be a problem. I live in SE Washington state and while it doesn't get to 120F like Phoenix, it does get hot here when the sun is up from 5AM till 9PM.

    • @tims8603
      @tims8603 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      All Apteras will have solar on the roof and dash some will have additional panels so having a white wrap won't help very much to keep it cool . Solar panels are dark by necessity. The sides won't get much sun except in winter.

  • @peterhoulis1184
    @peterhoulis1184 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey it doesnt snow in Western Australia, sun n rain thats it

  • @mglmouser
    @mglmouser 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Biggest problem, IMO, for the Aptera is the wheel hub motors. Unsprung weight is a real issue. Imagine what that mass does on a harsh posthole, to the bearings. Seems like expensive road hasard.