@vic321344 it will be an inexpensive and impractical toy for many, and it will never sell in sufficient numbers to make any significant impact in pollution reduction if and when it is actually produced.
@@jamespaul2587 It is more expensive than a Tesla Model 3. So it is a very expensive toy. It is impractical in daily commuting and a deathtrap in case of an asccident.
It was a pleasure meeting you Drew! Also you know what else has basic, lightweight cloth seats? A first gen Honda Insight 😉 absolutely the spiritual predecessor to the Aptera
I don’t mind a manual seat at all. I’m a fan of keeping things simple, durable, and repairable. I have a wheel chair van with all manual ramp because nobody has time for a motor to die in the snow or rain.
Simple, mechanical, non-heated seats. Love it! I think heated seats are among the most ridiculous luxuries. Great to see the progress and the interest from folks new to Aptera. Thank you Drew.
They’re not a ridiculous luxury when the temp drops well below zero. Not having heated seats was almost a deal breaker for me. Being able to upgrade later kept me in the fold.
Was a pleasure finally meeting you Drew! We should've gotten a selfie / autograph with you 😂 The excitement and energy at this magical event reminds me of Tesla’s early days, where total strangers would go out of their way to help fellow early adopters or educate those still on the fence. Aptera definitely has an army of missionaries (as opposed to paid mercenaries) out to fight the good fight for them.
I seriously thought you were an employee when I arrived at 7PM! But then, I've only been an occasional viewer. I've subscribed now. I do have some things holding me back from an initial Aptera reservation, but I'm glad they have enough pre-orders to justify a solid first year production run. The primary design issue holding me back is the touchscreen-centric drive controls. I know the reasoning, but I am very worried that I'll fat-finger a mistake on my home street on an SF hillside where Y/W/K turns are absolutely inevitable. Otherwise, the geometry is better in person than I expected. The knock interaction is weird but acceptable. All of the core qualities are amazing, of course, and I do want to upgrade from my Ioniq 6 which is an efficient sedan but is still very heavy because of the battery mass required for its range. I love that a 40kWh Aptera will outmatch my 77kWh car at the same price and half the mass.
Considering the overwhelming success of this event - it even made the news! - I would say that Aptera needs to keep doing them and not just in California. Build several more drivable models and give people a chance to experience it firsthand, all across the country.
Hey - long time fan of the channel, Rivian owner, and aptera accelerator here. Regarding the estimate price, I agree that first glance screams exotic, but we know value/effeciency is more at the heart of what this company is trying to do. I hope aptera continues to make decisions to keep the price down. They need to protect their fanbase!
@tailosiveev woohoo! We made it to the thumbnail! Thanks for being willing to use some of my shaky footage haha. Hope you get a Google pixel soon! My wife Karyssa says hi to Louise!
Hi Drew, It was great to meet you in SFO! I was impressed with the CPC body parts as the fit and finish (& strength) are simply incredible and exceeded my expectations. Let's wish Aptera the best.
Living in Idaho it gets cold in the winter so heated seats would be nice and help efficiency. More efficient to heat the seat instead of the entire vehicle.
Sorry I was unable to attend but wonderful to hear how incredible the event was and about your VIP tour of the Aptera. I hope that I am able to attend the next event in-person.
Sitting into an Aptera is like sitting into a solo canoe, except you don't have to get your feet wet. The seats had better be heated by the time they try to sell them in Canada.
I really hope that Aptera either provides the seat + yolk specs or contacts another company to make covers, but as a reservation holder, I 100% want to put a cover on both the seat and yolk, to protect them.
Hi Drew! It was a real treat meeting you and Louise. I think that it is important that content creators like you get an opportunity to meet your viewers and fellow EV enthusiasts. I know from moderating Aptera Facebook pages that vocal trolls can suck up your valuable time, but getting a chance to meet fellow EV supporters you can see how many people really appreciate your efforts in doing good research, collecting image and video content, and editing the news and information down so that it is concise and on point. And answering the interesting and important questions that many Aptera supporters are thinking about. I got to see and touch the PI seats, and they did seem to be very close to the ones fitted in the Gamma model. There are always going to be people wanting sportier bits on an EV with the light weight, low center of gravity, and relatively high power that the Aptera will have. But I think that most owners are going to want comfort and longevity first, given commute duties and long range driving capabilities of the Aptera. Some owners will no doubt opt for aftermarket sport seats (or heated seat covers) to enhance their drive. But Aptera's clear focus is on production ASAP, so the Launch Edition may lack some of the features that will follow in later models. I am excited to get my Aptera in 2025, and I am OK if it lacks some of the bells and whistles common to new EVs, because what Aptera brings to the party is uncommon, and is more important to me.
I like even MORE the fact that the seats and interior are NOT '50 shades of black and grey" like my current EV and too many others ! The Aptera interior puts me in mind of the VERY OLD AMC Eagle model EVs
I can definitely see a third party market for more sport oriented seats, possibly with heating and/or cooling built-in. For now, Aptera is doing the right thing by keeping the design as simple as it can so getting manufacturing up to speed will be as painless as possible.
They've had more than enough time to develop heated and cooled seats, which help efficiency, and they should be available at the price point of this vehicle
@@jamespaul2587 Of course, but they have other considerations, such as keeping manufacturing less expensive and less complex, at least in the first versions. Maybe Drew can ask them the next time he runs into them when heated and/or cooled seats will be available and why they're not on the launch edition. They've been pretty open about the whole process thus far.
I wish I'd known you weren't officially working there. I went to finally see it in person, and to try to talk my girlfriend into liking the car more -- she was worried that it's too small, too unstable. She thinks her medium-sized dog wouldn't fit in the back. I was also mentioning the Telo truck and she seemed more open to that, I thought about asking you if you had any info with you about it, but thought if you were there for Aptera professionally it would be rude to ask. Aptera's embrace of right-to-repair is a huge selling point for me, BTW, and I hope Telo has the same philosophy. Really looking forward to this car (I'm a reservation holder), and hope to see lots of reports on the crash testing and how it'll do with daily use -- how is it owning/driving it different from other cars, on a practical, day-to-day level? Hope you and Steve from AOC each get one nice and early to see what you can report.
Had a reservation but couldn't make it. Didn't know BINC PI 1 was gonna be there. So bummed. I did see Gamma last year down in SD at the Everything Electric. Thanks for the reporting.
Seeing comments on heated seats. There are kits to install the heating elements separately available everywhere. I've installed these on lots of cars here in Wisconsin. Don't get the ones that plug into the cigarette lighter, the fuse for that doesn't allow enough amperage to get your butt toasty, so those are just a lukewarm solution (ha ha). Get the kind that hardwire into the fuse panel and just have someone wire it in and install it for you. This is what your independent mechanic is for. We do all sorts of things if you ask us... (nicely). Agree, these are a must if you live in a state that routinely sees sub-zero temperatures. Well, not a must, but sure is nice.
Nice opening! Nice to meet Mrs. Tailosive, Louise! I was under the impression that the seats were going to be heated, but not cooled (or was it vise versa? 🤷♂️). I’m okay with neither - particularly with fabric seats and cabin preheating/precooling. Hopefully we won’t be sliding off the seat as we go into those Hot Laps McCammon turns at speed! 😊
Almost wish I was back in the SF Bay area for this. Thanks, Drew! I am still just as interested in the reports. I look forward to having one here in Iowa, so I can show it off in the Midwest!.
I do kinda wish Aptera had air conditioned seating, but I do like it being fabric. Fabric seats do last longer and they feel better when it's hot out. Still I'll probably use the same cooled and heated seat pad I use in my current car and my PC chair.
In Michigan, a shop by law has to offer you any parts they took out of your car. Munro uses Tesla seats as chairs and everyone loves them. Tesla owes you a Model Y seat!
ngl, not having heated seats is borderline a dealbreaker for me. in the northease, sitting into a cold car that doesn't warm up for 10+ minutes is pretty miserable. fortunately, I can rig something to make them heated, so it should be ok
Unless the bolstering is hidden inside, these seats appear to have zero bolstering. Let’s rate them one level better than theater seating because of head rest. Don’t put any more time into seating because we want delivery as soon as possible.
Soo luck you get access to Aptera this frequently. It was really unfortunate Aptera didn't manage to come to Electrify Everything in vancouver. I and everyone else with an Aptera shirt kept getting asked if we had a booth and unfortunately not. Especially with Steve doing the fireside with Sandy many people expected they would have the vehicle at the show. Lots of people outside California (or the UAE) have an interest in this vehicle and vancouver has a lot of potential investors (older people that sold their overpriced homes and downsized).
I'm sure they wanted to, however let me assure you it's a big pain in the butt to drive all that gear wherever events take place. SF was a big drive and I'm sure Vancouver would've been even harder
@@TailosiveEV Sending it to the uae was definitely a far larger expense; Hopefully it was worth it. Getting more reservations is almost irrelevant but getting accredited investors interested definitely has value. Spending ~$50k to be at the show would probably have a higher chance of return than the Aptera facebook ad my wife just got.
I put a solar panel on a golf cart. Joint venture between me and Harbor Freight. Seats look a lot nicer than yours. Most people I've shown it to say they'd pay $50,000 for it. Wanna invest?
Looks like fun! Bummed to have missed, but have already experienced a couple of the prototypes firsthand. Aptera really should do more events like this around the USA & Canada...do a tour, one major city each week in a high traffic area where they can draw in both the devoted & the random passerbys.
Electrically activated seats add a lot of weight and are another potential failure point. I watched a video where a guy had problems with the electric door handle on a Tesla. It was a nightmare to repair because they changed designs at some point. It had to be programed into the main computer too which he couldn't get work at first. Many trips to the service center and hundreds of dollars before he was done.
Does the car I'm seeing in this video have the solar panels they will be putting in the production car? Does it have all the solar panels the production car will have? Is it able to take energy from the sun in a place like Southern California and charge the battery with enough energy to allow it to go 40 miles? I go to the website and try to figure out where Apetera is in the process and it's not really clear. We are talking seats here but the vehicle that we see in this video, is it using the single motor like the production car has or does it have motors in the wheel like the original design has. Is there an Aptera video where they show a vehicle that does what a production Aptera vehicle should do in terms of taking enough energy from the sun using solar panels and making the car move for 40 plus miles? I'm confident they'll figure out the seats, it's the things that no other car does that I'm curious about.
@@david.e.h. Thanks for the information, I appreciate it. I'm rooting for Aptera, but I get this sense that they are giving the impression that they are farther along than they really are. They changed from an AWD system based on a motor on each wheel to one motor and then kept on as if they were close to production. I'm not an engineer, but that seems more like an early stages change than an almost ready for production change.
@Molishious the BinC was designed to use single motor or HUB motors. So in my opinion, when Aptera announced the 2000 Accelerator Launch Editions, I don't think elaphe was prepared to make 6000 motors at a rate that aptera is planning producing vehicles. So they developed a parallel timeline with hub and single motors. The motor they are using is easy to source and in the quantity aptera will need. I've often found that aptera is further ahead than they let on, they hold close to their NDAs, and don't usually announce until it's a done deal (bellypan cooling and hub motors withstanding). I bet we see a PI running before the end of October. The performance of an AWD hub motor was a bonus, but the principal ethos of aptera is efficiency, and I think the single motor, properly tuned will get them out on the road and in our hands sooner than later. Many people I spoke with, at the event, we're glad to se the hub motor go away. And with the experience I've had with Aptera, id imagine some type of rear drive propulsion has been thought of. Also watching Aptera shift from vehicle design and build employees to software engineers, I bet we are pretty close to PI launch. Just my 2 cents.
Do you mean they had a car with the solar panels all attached to the car and were able to capture 4 kWh? I’m just trying to nail down if they have at least one car that actually does what the Aptera car is advertised to do.
Drew, is that official that we are not going to get heated seats? That is a big bummer if that is the case. Not everyone lives in sunny southern California where you need AC more often than you need heat. At a minimum, I would hope that Aptera would have the harness in place that we can put our own heated seats in if we want. A little bit of energy to heat the seats and people siting on the seats is much more efficient than heating the whole cabin with resistive heat. It is also not very efficient to have to replace the seats with heated seats. (I can understand cooled seats are much more of a challenge and cost involved.)
I believe so, which is certainly a bummer but I think early on the goal is to keep costs down and the manufacturing as simple as possible but down the road they’ll probably add lots more quality of life features. Good news is the carbon fiber BinC should act like a thermos so it will take very little energy to warm the cabin
When I was there I was told these seats were for the LEs only, so ~2,000 had been ordered. I don’t recall if Chris M said this or an ambassador however. Later builds might hopefully have heated seats as an option.
Thanks for this. It's great to see the response to Aptera out in the wild. It's not a big surprise that people think that the price is more like $70,000 - for two reasons. One is that the vast majority of BEVs available in the US are stupid expensive, and the other is that it does look like an exotic sports car that would commonly demand that kind of money. Kudos to Aptera for trying to keep the cost down and not cranking the profit margin up 'because they can'. Drew... one comment (again). In normal speech we have a cadence: speak, breathe, speak, breathe - usually between sentences. I find your zero interruption 10 minute (in this case) run-on sentence editing to be stressful and extremely tiring and suspect that I'm not the only one. Please give us at least a brief break between sentences, more than just a few extra milliseconds. I managed to watch this video all the way through because I was very interested to see about the public reaction to this Aptera demo. Usually, I have to abandon your videos part way through because of the stress level, and when I do that, you do not get the thumbs-up that I often give after watching the entire video.
They should definitely do an auction & sell to highest bidders first if/when they ship. - The first ones will cost way more to build. - Makes the company far more viable. - People will accept it just like the Accelerator program, and you saw what that did for them.
@@TailosiveEV - Paradigm people, like Nelson, thought they were first too at one point. He got over it. - An Accelerator investment becomes more sound if Aptera becomes more viable. - The first C8 Corvette went for $3mil @ auction. - Dealers (and others) take every opportunity to make out on 1st articles. Why not the manufacturer? You just pointed out that many see the vehicle as more than $40K. So roll with that. Ask the community how they would feel about auctioning build slots. Put more directly, if I was willing to hand Aptera a check for $75K, would it piss you off to fall back one slot? Ask people. You have time...
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Aptera has a chance to save the world if it's successful. Really hope it officially launches in 2025, been waiting years for it.
No, this car won't save the world, nor will any EV, but every small reduction in pollution helps.
Why should a motorcycle, that is wider than a Hummer H1 save the world?
@vic321344 it will be an inexpensive and impractical toy for many, and it will never sell in sufficient numbers to make any significant impact in pollution reduction if and when it is actually produced.
@@jamespaul2587 It is more expensive than a Tesla Model 3. So it is a very expensive toy. It is impractical in daily commuting and a deathtrap in case of an asccident.
It was a pleasure meeting you Drew! Also you know what else has basic, lightweight cloth seats? A first gen Honda Insight 😉 absolutely the spiritual predecessor to the Aptera
I don’t mind a manual seat at all. I’m a fan of keeping things simple, durable, and repairable. I have a wheel chair van with all manual ramp because nobody has time for a motor to die in the snow or rain.
Preach! 🙌🏼
Simple, mechanical, non-heated seats. Love it! I think heated seats are among the most ridiculous luxuries. Great to see the progress and the interest from folks new to Aptera. Thank you Drew.
Heated seats are an efficient way to not have to warm the cabin as much in winter weather, especially in EVs without a lot of waste heat
They’re not a ridiculous luxury when the temp drops well below zero. Not having heated seats was almost a deal breaker for me. Being able to upgrade later kept me in the fold.
Was a pleasure finally meeting you Drew! We should've gotten a selfie / autograph with you 😂
The excitement and energy at this magical event reminds me of Tesla’s early days, where total strangers would go out of their way to help fellow early adopters or educate those still on the fence. Aptera definitely has an army of missionaries (as opposed to paid mercenaries) out to fight the good fight for them.
I seriously thought you were an employee when I arrived at 7PM! But then, I've only been an occasional viewer. I've subscribed now.
I do have some things holding me back from an initial Aptera reservation, but I'm glad they have enough pre-orders to justify a solid first year production run.
The primary design issue holding me back is the touchscreen-centric drive controls. I know the reasoning, but I am very worried that I'll fat-finger a mistake on my home street on an SF hillside where Y/W/K turns are absolutely inevitable.
Otherwise, the geometry is better in person than I expected. The knock interaction is weird but acceptable. All of the core qualities are amazing, of course, and I do want to upgrade from my Ioniq 6 which is an efficient sedan but is still very heavy because of the battery mass required for its range. I love that a 40kWh Aptera will outmatch my 77kWh car at the same price and half the mass.
Considering the overwhelming success of this event - it even made the news! - I would say that Aptera needs to keep doing them and not just in California. Build several more drivable models and give people a chance to experience it firsthand, all across the country.
The seats won't be bad. I survived for 22 years on my first vehicle, a Gremlin, with Levi seats and they served me well in cold or hot weather.
Aptera seats have to be better than the seats of my former Scion XB!
Hey - long time fan of the channel, Rivian owner, and aptera accelerator here. Regarding the estimate price, I agree that first glance screams exotic, but we know value/effeciency is more at the heart of what this company is trying to do. I hope aptera continues to make decisions to keep the price down. They need to protect their fanbase!
@tailosiveev woohoo! We made it to the thumbnail! Thanks for being willing to use some of my shaky footage haha. Hope you get a Google pixel soon! My wife Karyssa says hi to Louise!
Hi Drew, It was great to meet you in SFO! I was impressed with the CPC body parts as the fit and finish (& strength) are simply incredible and exceeded my expectations. Let's wish Aptera the best.
Thanks for sharing this
It looks like you had a blast and met some of the Aptera faithful. If they ever have an event in Oregon, i hope to attend.
Living in Idaho it gets cold in the winter so heated seats would be nice and help efficiency. More efficient to heat the seat instead of the entire vehicle.
Sorry I was unable to attend but wonderful to hear how incredible the event was and about your VIP tour of the Aptera. I hope that I am able to attend the next event in-person.
Sitting into an Aptera is like sitting into a solo canoe, except you don't have to get your feet wet.
The seats had better be heated by the time they try to sell them in Canada.
This writer agrees; he sat in Gamma at San Diego show
Your solo canoe is also wider than a Hummer H1?
So cool that it had a giant QR code on it. I plan to do that if I get the one I reserved.
Its way past time they put some labels on the machine. The 'Woodstock inspired" ugly green glob tells the viewer nothing {unlike say the VW logo}
I really hope that Aptera either provides the seat + yolk specs or contacts another company to make covers, but as a reservation holder, I 100% want to put a cover on both the seat and yolk, to protect them.
Yolks are protected by the shell.
Hi Drew! It was a real treat meeting you and Louise. I think that it is important that content creators like you get an opportunity to meet your viewers and fellow EV enthusiasts. I know from moderating Aptera Facebook pages that vocal trolls can suck up your valuable time, but getting a chance to meet fellow EV supporters you can see how many people really appreciate your efforts in doing good research, collecting image and video content, and editing the news and information down so that it is concise and on point. And answering the interesting and important questions that many Aptera supporters are thinking about. I got to see and touch the PI seats, and they did seem to be very close to the ones fitted in the Gamma model. There are always going to be people wanting sportier bits on an EV with the light weight, low center of gravity, and relatively high power that the Aptera will have. But I think that most owners are going to want comfort and longevity first, given commute duties and long range driving capabilities of the Aptera. Some owners will no doubt opt for aftermarket sport seats (or heated seat covers) to enhance their drive. But Aptera's clear focus is on production ASAP, so the Launch Edition may lack some of the features that will follow in later models. I am excited to get my Aptera in 2025, and I am OK if it lacks some of the bells and whistles common to new EVs, because what Aptera brings to the party is uncommon, and is more important to me.
Appreciate you coming out! It was great meeting you 🙌🏼 appreciate all you do for the Facebook pages
I love how the seats have a mod/retro look to them!!!!
I like even MORE the fact that the seats and interior are NOT '50 shades of black and grey" like my current EV and too many others ! The Aptera interior puts me in mind of the VERY OLD AMC Eagle model EVs
Great to see this was such a huge success! Meanwhile, here in Maine I have met three other reservation holders after they saw my Aptera shirt 😊
Thanks Drew. Steve over at AOC is gonna be so jealous when he views this. Both of you have great Aptera content. Things are getting real!
Thanks for all the detail in this video Drew, it's great to see production seats!
Good to see all the usual Aptera fans in the comments. Cheers, everyone!
I can definitely see a third party market for more sport oriented seats, possibly with heating and/or cooling built-in. For now, Aptera is doing the right thing by keeping the design as simple as it can so getting manufacturing up to speed will be as painless as possible.
They've had more than enough time to develop heated and cooled seats, which help efficiency, and they should be available at the price point of this vehicle
@@jamespaul2587 Of course, but they have other considerations, such as keeping manufacturing less expensive and less complex, at least in the first versions. Maybe Drew can ask them the next time he runs into them when heated and/or cooled seats will be available and why they're not on the launch edition. They've been pretty open about the whole process thus far.
I ate my BinC(chocolate) the next day because no room to take on the plane, it was very good dark chocolate (thanks again Gene)
I wish I'd known you weren't officially working there. I went to finally see it in person, and to try to talk my girlfriend into liking the car more -- she was worried that it's too small, too unstable. She thinks her medium-sized dog wouldn't fit in the back. I was also mentioning the Telo truck and she seemed more open to that, I thought about asking you if you had any info with you about it, but thought if you were there for Aptera professionally it would be rude to ask.
Aptera's embrace of right-to-repair is a huge selling point for me, BTW, and I hope Telo has the same philosophy.
Really looking forward to this car (I'm a reservation holder), and hope to see lots of reports on the crash testing and how it'll do with daily use -- how is it owning/driving it different from other cars, on a practical, day-to-day level? Hope you and Steve from AOC each get one nice and early to see what you can report.
Had a reservation but couldn't make it. Didn't know BINC PI 1 was gonna be there. So bummed. I did see Gamma last year down in SD at the Everything Electric. Thanks for the reporting.
Well the battery cost steady goes down so that's a good thing atleast.
Seeing comments on heated seats. There are kits to install the heating elements separately available everywhere. I've installed these on lots of cars here in Wisconsin. Don't get the ones that plug into the cigarette lighter, the fuse for that doesn't allow enough amperage to get your butt toasty, so those are just a lukewarm solution (ha ha). Get the kind that hardwire into the fuse panel and just have someone wire it in and install it for you. This is what your independent mechanic is for. We do all sorts of things if you ask us... (nicely).
Agree, these are a must if you live in a state that routinely sees sub-zero temperatures. Well, not a must, but sure is nice.
Aptera might not be able to produce a simple solution.
Nice opening! Nice to meet Mrs. Tailosive, Louise! I was under the impression that the seats were going to be heated, but not cooled (or was it vise versa? 🤷♂️). I’m okay with neither - particularly with fabric seats and cabin preheating/precooling. Hopefully we won’t be sliding off the seat as we go into those Hot Laps McCammon turns at speed! 😊
Almost wish I was back in the SF Bay area for this. Thanks, Drew! I am still just as interested in the reports. I look forward to having one here in Iowa, so I can show it off in the Midwest!.
Hope to meet you someday! Next year is gonna be great
I’d be down for aftermarket seats and steering wheel I think Aptera should have a wheel similar to “Afeela” wheel by Sony
What? Heated seats have been listed as standard for over a year. No heated steering wheel option and now no heated seats. I’m disappointed.
Awesome video Drew!
I do kinda wish Aptera had air conditioned seating, but I do like it being fabric. Fabric seats do last longer and they feel better when it's hot out. Still I'll probably use the same cooled and heated seat pad I use in my current car and my PC chair.
In Michigan, a shop by law has to offer you any parts they took out of your car. Munro uses Tesla seats as chairs and everyone loves them. Tesla owes you a Model Y seat!
Love my Tesla cooled & heated seats.
ngl, not having heated seats is borderline a dealbreaker for me. in the northease, sitting into a cold car that doesn't warm up for 10+ minutes is pretty miserable.
fortunately, I can rig something to make them heated, so it should be ok
Unless the bolstering is hidden inside, these seats appear to have zero bolstering. Let’s rate them one level better than theater seating because of head rest. Don’t put any more time into seating because we want delivery as soon as possible.
Aftermarket seats ? Yes by all means please, how about a bench seat for three ?
Now there is a happy Idea; a split bench seat. You would have to 3d print a small center consol.
@@harriettanthony7352 why bother with a console, how about a cup holder on the dash?
We could turn a 2 adult vehicle into a 1 adult and 2 children car.
I asked about that in my BinC tour video. The middle beam is structural apparently which would make leg room for the middle seat quite limiting
Soo luck you get access to Aptera this frequently. It was really unfortunate Aptera didn't manage to come to Electrify Everything in vancouver. I and everyone else with an Aptera shirt kept getting asked if we had a booth and unfortunately not. Especially with Steve doing the fireside with Sandy many people expected they would have the vehicle at the show. Lots of people outside California (or the UAE) have an interest in this vehicle and vancouver has a lot of potential investors (older people that sold their overpriced homes and downsized).
I'm sure they wanted to, however let me assure you it's a big pain in the butt to drive all that gear wherever events take place. SF was a big drive and I'm sure Vancouver would've been even harder
@@TailosiveEV Sending it to the uae was definitely a far larger expense; Hopefully it was worth it. Getting more reservations is almost irrelevant but getting accredited investors interested definitely has value. Spending ~$50k to be at the show would probably have a higher chance of return than the Aptera facebook ad my wife just got.
you got a mattress for the Model 3?
Do the PI seats have adjustable lumbar?
Add lumbar support.
I put a solar panel on a golf cart. Joint venture between me and Harbor Freight. Seats look a lot nicer than yours. Most people I've shown it to say they'd pay $50,000 for it. Wanna invest?
Seat for a "wider demographic". Probably.
I've never cared about motorized seats so I'm happy they left that out.
So Jealous! I had to go out of town, so I missed this. I just bought my "little" Aptera today, can't wait to get it!
Hope you enjoy it!
@@TailosiveEV They sold out in 6 hours, I hope you got yours.
Looks like fun! Bummed to have missed, but have already experienced a couple of the prototypes firsthand. Aptera really should do more events like this around the USA & Canada...do a tour, one major city each week in a high traffic area where they can draw in both the devoted & the random passerbys.
That’s the plan with PI builds!
Aftermarket Bench Seat
Haha, might be doable now that the center tunnel is smaller.
It was great meeting you Drew! Hopefully I can send over a sweatshirt or something soon!
Great meeting you too!
Please stop saying 60k 🤣 I don’t want to pay extra
I'm sure it won't cost that XD
Just because people think it costs more doesn't mean it should be. We need affordable cheap vehicles!
It won't be!
Has Aptera done any redesign of the original ugly console with “bungy cord” looking straps?
Electrically activated seats add a lot of weight and are another potential failure point. I watched a video where a guy had problems with the electric door handle on a Tesla. It was a nightmare to repair because they changed designs at some point. It had to be programed into the main computer too which he couldn't get work at first. Many trips to the service center and hundreds of dollars before he was done.
True. A cybertruck I saw at the Fremont factory already had a broken seat adjuster
Does the car I'm seeing in this video have the solar panels they will be putting in the production car? Does it have all the solar panels the production car will have? Is it able to take energy from the sun in a place like Southern California and charge the battery with enough energy to allow it to go 40 miles? I go to the website and try to figure out where Apetera is in the process and it's not really clear. We are talking seats here but the vehicle that we see in this video, is it using the single motor like the production car has or does it have motors in the wheel like the original design has. Is there an Aptera video where they show a vehicle that does what a production Aptera vehicle should do in terms of taking enough energy from the sun using solar panels and making the car move for 40 plus miles? I'm confident they'll figure out the seats, it's the things that no other car does that I'm curious about.
Only the hood was close to production. Dashboard, roof and hatch are not in Gamma (the one outside at the event).
@@david.e.h. Thanks for the information, I appreciate it. I'm rooting for Aptera, but I get this sense that they are giving the impression that they are farther along than they really are. They changed from an AWD system based on a motor on each wheel to one motor and then kept on as if they were close to production. I'm not an engineer, but that seems more like an early stages change than an almost ready for production change.
@Molishious the BinC was designed to use single motor or HUB motors. So in my opinion, when Aptera announced the 2000 Accelerator Launch Editions, I don't think elaphe was prepared to make 6000 motors at a rate that aptera is planning producing vehicles. So they developed a parallel timeline with hub and single motors. The motor they are using is easy to source and in the quantity aptera will need. I've often found that aptera is further ahead than they let on, they hold close to their NDAs, and don't usually announce until it's a done deal (bellypan cooling and hub motors withstanding). I bet we see a PI running before the end of October. The performance of an AWD hub motor was a bonus, but the principal ethos of aptera is efficiency, and I think the single motor, properly tuned will get them out on the road and in our hands sooner than later. Many people I spoke with, at the event, we're glad to se the hub motor go away. And with the experience I've had with Aptera, id imagine some type of rear drive propulsion has been thought of. Also watching Aptera shift from vehicle design and build employees to software engineers, I bet we are pretty close to PI launch. Just my 2 cents.
They've tested the solar in San Diego and got upwards of 4kWh within a day. The vehicle uses 100wh/mile which means with 4000wh you'd go 40 miles
Do you mean they had a car with the solar panels all attached to the car and were able to capture 4 kWh? I’m just trying to nail down if they have at least one car that actually does what the Aptera car is advertised to do.
2025?
your definition of packed is completely different than Webster's - it was not packed it was not even on a main street.
Drew, is that official that we are not going to get heated seats? That is a big bummer if that is the case. Not everyone lives in sunny southern California where you need AC more often than you need heat. At a minimum, I would hope that Aptera would have the harness in place that we can put our own heated seats in if we want. A little bit of energy to heat the seats and people siting on the seats is much more efficient than heating the whole cabin with resistive heat. It is also not very efficient to have to replace the seats with heated seats. (I can understand cooled seats are much more of a challenge and cost involved.)
I believe so, which is certainly a bummer but I think early on the goal is to keep costs down and the manufacturing as simple as possible but down the road they’ll probably add lots more quality of life features. Good news is the carbon fiber BinC should act like a thermos so it will take very little energy to warm the cabin
There are heated seat covers that are available. They might be a solution ahead of heated seats being available.
@@garywozniak7742there are plenty of kits that install under the fabric and look like OEM.
When I was there I was told these seats were for the LEs only, so ~2,000 had been ordered. I don’t recall if Chris M said this or an ambassador however.
Later builds might hopefully have heated seats as an option.
@@garywozniak7742 BINGO! The short term correct answer. I am ordering a set for my Niro for the next Maine winter!
Everrybody waits for the event, where Aptera presents their first roadworthy production prototype. Not a 2 years old crap vehicle.
Aptera hype escalating!
Thanks for this. It's great to see the response to Aptera out in the wild. It's not a big surprise that people think that the price is more like $70,000 - for two reasons. One is that the vast majority of BEVs available in the US are stupid expensive, and the other is that it does look like an exotic sports car that would commonly demand that kind of money. Kudos to Aptera for trying to keep the cost down and not cranking the profit margin up 'because they can'.
Drew... one comment (again). In normal speech we have a cadence: speak, breathe, speak, breathe - usually between sentences. I find your zero interruption 10 minute (in this case) run-on sentence editing to be stressful and extremely tiring and suspect that I'm not the only one. Please give us at least a brief break between sentences, more than just a few extra milliseconds. I managed to watch this video all the way through because I was very interested to see about the public reaction to this Aptera demo. Usually, I have to abandon your videos part way through because of the stress level, and when I do that, you do not get the thumbs-up that I often give after watching the entire video.
They should definitely do an auction & sell to highest bidders first if/when they ship.
- The first ones will cost way more to build.
- Makes the company far more viable.
- People will accept it just like the Accelerator program, and you saw what that did for them.
I mean the accelerator program basically did that already. Whoever invested the most gets it first
@@TailosiveEV
- Paradigm people, like Nelson, thought they were first too at one point. He got over it.
- An Accelerator investment becomes more sound if Aptera becomes more viable.
- The first C8 Corvette went for $3mil @ auction.
- Dealers (and others) take every opportunity to make out on 1st articles. Why not the manufacturer?
You just pointed out that many see the vehicle as more than $40K. So roll with that. Ask the community how they would feel about auctioning build slots.
Put more directly, if I was willing to hand Aptera a check for $75K, would it piss you off to fall back one slot?
Ask people. You have time...
I never use my heated seats (Tesla) I think these are lame!
Sunk cost Bias.
If you think like that about everything, we would have nothing! LOL