What would YOU do on the river with 7♣ 6♣? Your Stack (BB): 446,000 Their Stacks (BTN & SB): 192,000 & 258,000 Pot: 45,000 Board: T♣ 8♣ 3♦ SB checks, You check, BTN bets 16,000, SB calls 16,000 A) Fold B) Call C) Raise 50,000 D) Raise 258,000 ( all-in)
Big chip stack, option C is ideal I think. Definitely need to raise as this is a strong combo draw. I think all-ins will force all marginal or drawing hands to fold and only premiums to call, though you will have pot odds for a large pot I'm not sure of ICM in this specific hand.
I think with so many missed draws on board and Phil not only being aggressive preflop and post flop ;but also holding top pair and having less than a pot sized bet behind that it's impossible to bluff him off the hand on the river. How often do draws float then jam river when they miss knowing the only way they can win the hand is bluffing, often enough in my direct experience playing live that it's an easy call for Phil (there was also some live tells imo from Vogelsang and even the way he covered up preflop "felt" like an act (acting strong when weak).
Great stuff Jon. I particularly enjoy your "Ben Heath did it so it must be correct" kinds of comments. I often feel that way when I see any top pro in any discipline do something I think is wrong: "Hmmmm. I think that's incorrect, but obviously I'm wrong, so what am I missing?"
I think that even though you might think what they are doing is incorrect, sometimes it may actually be incorrect because people make errors or maybe they have information in the spot that led them to make the decision. I think as long you have a logical thought process behind every decision you make you would do fine anyways
Thanks for covering this hand Jonathan, I was actually going to suggest you review this hand, there's another hand from the other day on LATB that is between Bill Klein (KAo), Garrett(QAo) and Linglin (KAo) that I think would be good to cover as there's multiple angles worthy of going over like Linglin's preflop fold in the BB sitting between G and Bill facing a 3bet and 4bet. The way the rest of the hand plays out is good too, I think it's a perfect fold from Linglin (she only had 20k against much bigger stacks) and an overcall from G facing an all in Bill ;but would love to hear your breakdown.
I'd put in a raise because it's a 3-way pot and I'm out of position, so it's too easy for things to check through on the turn. I want to start building the pot and putting pressure on my opponents, because I have the deepest stack, and when I connect I'm going to crush their ranges.
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I have a question. You stated that on the flop if Vogelslang were to raise Ivey, Ivey might re-raise all in. But I have heard numerous times doing that would be a bad play because if you were to go all in that scenario you will only get called by a better hand. I understand the logic, you have top pair and you want to protect it by raising all in, but how do you differentiate between the 2 situations?
He doesn't know Ivey's specific hand and you are right. If Ivey reraise all in he would get called only by better or the big combo draw that he's flipping with. But Ivey can have some sets that can reraise all in. So he's not saying about specific hand Ivey have but his range rather.
I definitely prefer calling with high equity draws on the flop OOP, as it makes me much more difficult to play against on the turn (I will often check-raise bluff a hand like this on the turn). Raising a standard amount is fine, but if you raise all your draws in this spot you will be massively overbluffing into some of the best players in the world. We don't have that many nut hands. Jamming or folding are clearly awful.
I think raise is the appropriate action. It’s not a hand that you are going to ever get away from and you might as well try and get the max as well as put pressure on one pair holdings. You don’t really care if anyone folds you take down dead money and you still have a Lotta equity to realize if you get called
I didn't see Ivey look at hoodie dude at all when picking up his chips.. I think he was just wondering am I a genius or am I punting? 🤣 .. ofc he's a genius 😉
I would just shove. Yes it's 3.5x pot, but better flush draws can't really call and so I should have good odds against anything that does. Might be a fishy move, but it'll be a lot harder to realize equity on the turn.
I dont like all options. We do have a lot of equity against both players but we can also be almost dead (against een higher pair and higher flush draw). I would never fold, but I realy think its an ok option. I would call here.
I like a call in Vogelsangs spot on the flop. He is closing the action and really wants to see another card and keep the other players in. The only arguement for a raise is if a club comes on the turn he won't get any action so a small raise may help him get value here on the flop rather than on a later street.
am curious why nits esp more likely to consider the playing with chips (or the old fake push the stack forward, but never going over the line etc) as an angle over anybody else (not suggesting it IS an angle, if you are silly enough to give off tells when the opp hasn't even legally called yet it's your fault).
for those new to live poker though, DO be careful, you'll see people all the time try to in fact get you to give off tells when you bet the river like mentioned here, often far more egregious versions of it. if you aren't sure that your opponent who looked like he just called did in fact call, just ask the dealer. the dealer really should already indicate by a hand motion or verbal statement that you were called, and thus it's your turn to show your hand as the bettor who got called (this doesn't mean the dealers always actually DO this though, lots of times it's a reg who they see every day or near it doing the chip movement balk-call, and they often don't want to queer their tips by stopping an angle in it's tracks)
Call, and take the free card if knew nothing about my opponents. Id bet small if I new my opponents were tight and more likely to fold and less likely to 4-bet.
wrong cbet size by Ivey with hand thats isnt rly a cbet in the first place then horribad call by Heath,. from that point on the hand is somewhat standart... poker certainly far from dead even on these high stakes people make mistakes all day long,... ,..
This is why I suck at poker… my focus on this video should be Little’s breakdown but it’s mostly on Vogelsong’s hooded sweatshirt. How cool does that fucking thing look?! Great hand! Great breakdown! Great call! Great sweatshirt!!! 😊🙏
Why not just bring a blanket to cover your entire head? The 'I will hide my entire head behind a veil while playing live poker' is asinine and should be ruled against. Go play online if you don't want another human analyzing your body language. What's next, he pitches a tent next to the table and hides inside after he acts?
@@namechange9470 Good question, and no, but how much can we veil ourselves while playing live? This isn't an issue concerning taste and all about fairness to the game. I'm just opining also, but my opinion is that he goes too far. There has to be a line. If I brought a Halloween mask and put it on, would you think it ok? There have to be rules on attire. Where is your line?
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What would YOU do on the river with 7♣ 6♣?
Your Stack (BB): 446,000
Their Stacks (BTN & SB): 192,000 & 258,000
Pot: 45,000
Board: T♣ 8♣ 3♦
SB checks, You check, BTN bets 16,000, SB calls 16,000
A) Fold
B) Call
C) Raise 50,000
D) Raise 258,000 ( all-in)
Big chip stack, option C is ideal I think. Definitely need to raise as this is a strong combo draw. I think all-ins will force all marginal or drawing hands to fold and only premiums to call, though you will have pot odds for a large pot I'm not sure of ICM in this specific hand.
I think with so many missed draws on board and Phil not only being aggressive preflop and post flop ;but also holding top pair and having less than a pot sized bet behind that it's impossible to bluff him off the hand on the river. How often do draws float then jam river when they miss knowing the only way they can win the hand is bluffing, often enough in my direct experience playing live that it's an easy call for Phil (there was also some live tells imo from Vogelsang and even the way he covered up preflop "felt" like an act (acting strong when weak).
honestly i wouldve just shoved the flop putting weak top pairs in a very tougth spot 3 ways..
@@mrcv1999 against most people it's a tough spot, against Ivey it's not that tough. I'd bet he knew exactly where he was in the hand the entire way.
um tough spot for me, i call.
Ivey is a legend, he made that call with no sweat at all on the river 🔥🔥.
Nah he was sweatin in his style... he kinda knew it ws a bit of a flip.
That guy is a monster 😂
Great stuff Jon. I particularly enjoy your "Ben Heath did it so it must be correct" kinds of comments. I often feel that way when I see any top pro in any discipline do something I think is wrong: "Hmmmm. I think that's incorrect, but obviously I'm wrong, so what am I missing?"
I think that even though you might think what they are doing is incorrect, sometimes it may actually be incorrect because people make errors or maybe they have information in the spot that led them to make the decision. I think as long you have a logical thought process behind every decision you make you would do fine anyways
Don’t know about that,too pros aren’t infallible,seems like a strange call
Love the content thank you keep it up.
Thanks for covering this hand Jonathan, I was actually going to suggest you review this hand, there's another hand from the other day on LATB that is between Bill Klein (KAo), Garrett(QAo) and Linglin (KAo) that I think would be good to cover as there's multiple angles worthy of going over like Linglin's preflop fold in the BB sitting between G and Bill facing a 3bet and 4bet. The way the rest of the hand plays out is good too, I think it's a perfect fold from Linglin (she only had 20k against much bigger stacks) and an overcall from G facing an all in Bill ;but would love to hear your breakdown.
Great content! Ty vm
I'd put in a raise because it's a 3-way pot and I'm out of position, so it's too easy for things to check through on the turn. I want to start building the pot and putting pressure on my opponents, because I have the deepest stack, and when I connect I'm going to crush their ranges.
Tak!
Morning coach,WOW finally made a live class,very exciting. A few more nickles to save,then I'll be a premium member.
Thank you for all the exclant content,I have been watching 6 to 8 hr a day.
You make it where I fell I'm already a member.Tks your humble student.
P.s see you at the final table.
hi,, where do you watch his live classes please?
I'm reraising the 76 to get an idea of where I'm at with my flush draw with a third player in there.
I have a question. You stated that on the flop if Vogelslang were to raise Ivey, Ivey might re-raise all in. But I have heard numerous times doing that would be a bad play because if you were to go all in that scenario you will only get called by a better hand. I understand the logic, you have top pair and you want to protect it by raising all in, but how do you differentiate between the 2 situations?
He doesn't know Ivey's specific hand and you are right. If Ivey reraise all in he would get called only by better or the big combo draw that he's flipping with. But Ivey can have some sets that can reraise all in. So he's not saying about specific hand Ivey have but his range rather.
bruh are you serious lmao obviosly that is not knowing what ivey has lmao
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Pair wants to blow out flush or other draws to won’t get odds to continue
Jonathan with a random pile of cash on his desk 😂
Great video. Why did you have so much cash lying around?
Isn't 6c7c a bad hand to bluff the river?
Ivey us a beast! It's crazy how he looks through your soul!
Pure insight.
I definitely prefer calling with high equity draws on the flop OOP, as it makes me much more difficult to play against on the turn (I will often check-raise bluff a hand like this on the turn). Raising a standard amount is fine, but if you raise all your draws in this spot you will be massively overbluffing into some of the best players in the world. We don't have that many nut hands.
Jamming or folding are clearly awful.
I would call there too because there’s not many kings in Volks range and a lot of missed draws/bluffy
I think raise is the appropriate action. It’s not a hand that you are going to ever get away from and you might as well try and get the max as well as put pressure on one pair holdings. You don’t really care if anyone folds you take down dead money and you still have a Lotta equity to realize if you get called
Cool hand, I think they both played it correctly.
I didn't see Ivey look at hoodie dude at all when picking up his chips.. I think he was just wondering am I a genius or am I punting? 🤣 .. ofc he's a genius 😉
honestly i wouldve just shoved the flop putting weak top pairs in a very tough spot 3 ways..
Vogelslang is such a frustrating player to watch, he gets stuck in over analytical thought loops and tanks for extended periods.
I think i would just call
I would just shove. Yes it's 3.5x pot, but better flush draws can't really call and so I should have good odds against anything that does. Might be a fishy move, but it'll be a lot harder to realize equity on the turn.
Would you shove a set ?
@@fanfan7848 No, but 2 pair. Again, it's not an approved play, but I find it incredibly difficult to realize equity by calling these hands multiway.
All in !!
I dont like all options. We do have a lot of equity against both players but we can also be almost dead (against een higher pair and higher flush draw). I would never fold, but I realy think its an ok option. I would call here.
I like a call in Vogelsangs spot on the flop. He is closing the action and really wants to see another card and keep the other players in. The only arguement for a raise is if a club comes on the turn he won't get any action so a small raise may help him get value here on the flop rather than on a later street.
"We're jammin'"
- Bob Marley
Raise 100%
I'd all in
In Vogelsang’s position, I would go all in
I am also noob D:
call with str8 flush draw
Call
"math is hard for me." LOL
call
jon just finding a pile of money about 2 feet or less from his normal station for making videos, hilarious.
am curious why nits esp more likely to consider the playing with chips (or the old fake push the stack forward, but never going over the line etc) as an angle over anybody else (not suggesting it IS an angle, if you are silly enough to give off tells when the opp hasn't even legally called yet it's your fault).
for those new to live poker though, DO be careful, you'll see people all the time try to in fact get you to give off tells when you bet the river like mentioned here, often far more egregious versions of it. if you aren't sure that your opponent who looked like he just called did in fact call, just ask the dealer. the dealer really should already indicate by a hand motion or verbal statement that you were called, and thus it's your turn to show your hand as the bettor who got called (this doesn't mean the dealers always actually DO this though, lots of times it's a reg who they see every day or near it doing the chip movement balk-call, and they often don't want to queer their tips by stopping an angle in it's tracks)
anyone that plays poker is Jonathan Little favorite poker player......lol
raise
I've is awesome
Call, and take the free card if knew nothing about my opponents.
Id bet small if I new my opponents were tight and more likely to fold and less likely to 4-bet.
pump it up
Raise
wrong cbet size by Ivey with hand thats isnt rly a cbet in the first place then horribad call by Heath,. from that point on the hand is somewhat standart... poker certainly far from dead even on these high stakes people make mistakes all day long,... ,..
Raise 2.5x
This is why I suck at poker… my focus on this video should be Little’s breakdown but it’s mostly on Vogelsong’s hooded sweatshirt. How cool does that fucking thing look?!
Great hand! Great breakdown! Great call! Great sweatshirt!!! 😊🙏
To hide that hard just shows how pussy he is inside. And I say this as a German.
Raise at a minimum, maybe jam
RAISE
Raise flop
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Why not just bring a blanket to cover your entire head? The 'I will hide my entire head behind a veil while playing live poker' is asinine and should be ruled against. Go play online if you don't want another human analyzing your body language. What's next, he pitches a tent next to the table and hides inside after he acts?
Agreed
Not your problem kid
What a person chooses to wear at the table tilts you?
@@namechange9470 Good question, and no, but how much can we veil ourselves while playing live? This isn't an issue concerning taste and all about fairness to the game. I'm just opining also, but my opinion is that he goes too far. There has to be a line. If I brought a Halloween mask and put it on, would you think it ok? There have to be rules on attire. Where is your line?
Thanks for chiming in. kid'
Call flop. 76c
All in with 10 6s on turn.
I probably would have folded the river after all in...
great call from Phil. 👍
Call
Call