Thank you. I bought the Quest 3 for Christmas. I was coming over from a Pico 4 and find the Quest 3 very uncomfortable. I am considering switching to the Quest Pro specifically for the comfort level.
Although I do like the default strap that the Quest Pro comes with, you don’t have to change anything on it, that’s the nice feature about it, well besides buying the light blocking facial interface for it, it is a nice looking headset, but obviously the Quest 3 is the headset to have now, for me the worst vr headsets that I have tried are the HP Reverb G2 and the Pimax 8kx, unstable software and blurry screen resolution on both of those headsets
Well, I didn´t try all four HMDs from your comment, but I use 8kx as the best for me. And meta 3 was so uncomfortable and blurry screen, that I got sick in a first 5 min. All I want to say, VR HMDs are not "one size fits all", what is good for me might be the worst for somebody else.
I currently own a Rift S, Quest 2, Quest 3 and PSVR2. I had a Quest Pro but I returned it. While the screen was technically better on the Pro than the quest 2; I found that I had a lot of difficulty getting a clear view with it. the pro was overall not very comfortable IMO and I really just hated it. The Quest 3 was immediately great for me. the clarity of the screen and the readability of text in any direction I look is just phenomenal. Quest 3 is easily the best of all the VR headsets I've used.
I haven’t tried the Mixed Reality feature on the Quest 3 yet, I’m more into just playing regular vr games on it, I’m really not into the idea of combining vr games with your actual surrounding environment, it looks alright I suppose
18:55 honestly yeah it's better then an smart phone but still can't touch the 3DS in terms of passthough but if you lower the brightness and get distracted like with the screen door which is back too you really don't notice it.
20:59 Same that is the best demo of MR I know... Lwhich that is how you set up your space a super AR/MR barrier which you can do when first setting up the headset... And yeah it's not perfect but to make a fast playspace it's revolutionary! But still I first meta would let it gueas common things like tables, chairs and lamps but oh well...
You need to hold them in that position for a second or 2 for it to be an issue, so for me it has always been fine as I'm just doing a quick movement. If it's a flight sim then I might be holding my hands up for longer but I would also be looking so then the controller is within that tracking volume. Thanks for your comments btw, glad you enjoyed the video!
Question: Can you somehow pair the Q3 controllers to the Q Pro? Would love to have controllers on the Pro where I can swap the batteries and keep playing non-stop.
No unfortunately that seems to not be possible, I imagine it's down to the improved hand tracking on the Quest 3 being required. It probably is technically possible but meta don't seem to have any intention of implementing or supporting that pairing.
Yeah! I am glad you mentioned the Quest Pro controller tracking. It is hopeless compared the Quest 2 and Quest 3. Really inconsistent. They have a great feel both weight and texture wise, but the tracking it too glitchy.
It has the potential to be the best tracking out there, but yeah much too glitchy and inconsistent. It seems like every other update causes a lot of issues with the controllers for folks.
Not sure how anyone would accomplish that on the quest 3. Face and eye tracking as well as curb appeal, headset balance, heat dissipation and dimming feature all seem to favor the Pro and is why I bought the quest pro today BNIB for $650.
19:18 I agree it should haqve been this time next year when it was ready... But then again on launch the only pdevice that can beat this value wise is the switch because it's a console handhald with nintedndo games.... Other wise you can't buy a iPad, PS5, Quest 2 and AR glasses for anywehere near this price and that's the performance I found in my first few hours today. And while the VR lineup is mostly noexsistent the MR line up is solid like better then the switch which only really had Zelda and that was a port... icnic game but still.
let me ask a simple question (i have no time for 47 min video without timeline), if you use quest only for PCVR via 5Ghz wifi-6 (not wifi-6e, and let this AR-function with depth sensor will trown away in trashcan, i didnt need this), i have a quest pro, so for me is it worth the update to quest 3? In tearm of image quality, tracking and comfort from the box. Thanks.
I would say no, stay on the quest pro if PCVR is all you care about. The only potential benefit is if you could sell the Quest pro for more than the Quest 3, then it would probably be worth it as 120hz is nice, along with slightly improved clarity and FOV (but worse colours/contrast). It also depends on what type of headstrap you like. If you like the open design of the quest pro, as in don't use the lightblockers, then Quest pro is better.
@@HeadsetHistorianIn this terms quest pro it is my item. Foveated Rendering is future in gaming in my opinion, and for this we need eyes tracking. And yeah, i prefer open design for gaming, especially if game is fast peaced like beat saber. P.S. i prefer solid 90Hz and maximum resolution with supersampling in games rather 120Hz with worse image quality
@@IEagleoneI I actually find myself using 90hz in Quest 3 for the same reason. I will try to add timestamps in the future btw, my videos are unscripted so it's a bit tricky but I will try to organise the videos into sections more in the future. Thanks again for your comments!
@@IEagleoneII also think Dynamic Foveated Rendering with eye tracking is the future, not only for optimization and social interactions, but also interactions with in game actors. For instance, NPCs with complex behavior trees that can react to eye movement input.
We need 6E router or it will be just enough 6 router? 5ghz network isn’t to busy in my home so i think wifi 6 will be good or not ? What do you think? I will get this Q3 on next week also
If your 5ghz isn't busy then it's totally fine, wifi 6e will only improve latency by 1-2ms compared to a good 5ghz connection. The main benefit of 6e, right now at least, is just that the band is not busy.
Thank you for the video with your input on your feelings, and with adding in Quest 2 and Pro comparisons to Quest 3. I'm SO enthused to hear you're impressed with the Quest 3 overall. Makes me feel even better about my decision to have ordered Quest 3 today to upgrade my Quest 2 that I've had since launch.... and I've loved it all along. It was a welcome upgrade to my Index. Index was a rough one for me. Disappointed in resolution, glare/godrays and bulk. Glad to be passed that for a while now. Quest 3, here we come!!
Pimax Crystal is worth the price or it isn't because Quest 3 isn't so much worse? What do you think the sharpness is so much in the Crystal and the picture quality so it means woth 4 times price different or not? Or the wireless VR and any other advantage is more important just the little bit sharper screeen?
Very tough question, and really it would come down to your personal preference. For me personally I loved the crystal but it's just too bulky and I don't want to go back to wired. If the wireless solution on the crystal ends up being solid then it will be a real contender, even at the price hike, but that is yet to be seen. So all things considered, right now I would go with the Quest 3 personally but I can see many folks preferring the Crystal (especially simmers playing flight sims etc).
Depth perception, for MR, feels better in the Quest 3 but not by much. I'm surprised at how good it is in thr Quest Pro, considering it does not have a depth sensor. If you're looking for a MR headset then the Quest 3 is a lot better, no competition really.
@@HeadsetHistorian I mean what about the depth percepiton the 3d depth in VR ? I am not interested MR... I heared therrible stereo overlap in Q3 because of the santed display and i am worried about that And what about the resolution you think the screen door effect is visible and disturbing? I have G2 and center clarity is nice ... Thanks this answer .
@@Nyersevo Ah okay, I understand you now. I have found it fine, not amazing or anything but just average. It wasn't off putting but definitely not a selling point. If overlap is a big deal then the pico 4 is still the best out there.
Great video! I'm having many of the same thoughts as you. I've actually arranged a return for the Quest 3 with Amazon who are collecting tomorrow but I'm still going back and forth. The standalone and mixed reality are better on Quest 3, and you're absolutely correct about those features probably improving a lot over the coming months. I was still really disappointed with the MR though. With a next gen chip, a depth sensor and higer resolution passthrough cameras I was really expecting something quite special, but visually, it looks like Quest Pro with a decent software update, still not something I want to use. Standalone is better but I really don't use standalone for anything more than exercise so not really a gain there. PCVR I still prefer Quest Pro, although could happily use either. Ultimately I elected to return Quest 3 as I find the Pro much more comfortable, at least versus Quest 3 stock strap, and I paid £1500 for it and its painful to replace it with a sub £500 device. If I was buying today and had neither, I probably pick Quest 3 though.
I think my Q3/512Gb standalone for VR/MR is already pretty exciting and I'm looking forward to further improvements in the near future. Also, it'd proving to be a very good backup to my +11mo QPro for PCVR, wired with Link and wireless with Air Link. Personally I'm very happy to be able to afford to have both. My poor +2.5yo Q2/64Gb has now joined my retired VR headset collection, lol!
Completely agree with all that you said. I was ready to return the Quest 3 but managed to get a good price for the Quest pro so that pushed me over the edge, had I not then I think I would have been returning the Quest 3 mostly down to the comfort and design of the Quest pro. And your point about the passthrough feeling the same but with a software update sums it up very well, it's much closer than I expected.
Why is PCVR better on the Pro? Are the black levels of pro much better than Quest 3 (after adjusting brightness and contrast on Q3)? Also Quest Pro is 200g heavier than Q3 (without elite strap), but I guess with the Elite strap, it's almost the same weight. I might get buy either one for PCVR. Black levels and comfort are something I'm looking at in comparison.
@@zackmac5917 I think the colours and blacks have something to do with it. It might also be that I have the Pro modded with a headstrap the way I like it, whilst the Quest 3, I'm still using the awful stock strap and facial interface. I notice more glare and mura in the Quest 3, and I also have a couple dead pixels so I'm going to return and see if the replacement looks better. Subjectively, it feels to me like the Pro has better quality lenses and displays, but it may be natural variance between panels and lenses, so I'll report back for sure when I've tried another Quest 3.
@@zackmac5917 I put a poll up a couple hours ago on the Quest Pro subreddit on Reddit asking people's thoughts so far and it seems really split. 17 so far saying Q3 mostly replaced their Pro. 12 loving both headsets for different reasons. 9 keeping the 3 but still using their Pro more. 5 sold their Pro over Quest 17 Returned Quest 3, stick with Pro. So its really hard to get a consensus opinion yet!
Found a good deal for quest pro for $690 in brand new condition, do you think it's worth getting the quest pro over quest 3 for that price, the comfort and open design of the quest pro for better airflow is really attractive and i will use it %90 of the time for PCVR, i will also occasionally play exclusive standalone game's like re4 and assassin's creed, but mainly PCVR, the fact that the lenses get completely fogged up in other HMDs due to lack of airflow is a huge drawback to me especially in summer, i also like that the display has local dimming therefore giving deeper blacks and overall better image quality. Quest 3 is also very tempting for the price, not sure which one i should get to be fair. I found a very good deal for pico 4 as well, $250 for a brand new one, is it even comparable to quest 3 and quest pro? In terms of display quality, tracking etc..? And are there any solid reasons for one to get the pico 4 over the meta Headset's except for the price?
That's a tough one! The pico 4 at that price is really appealing, it is a great headset and the main benefit it has is much better stereo overlap, but I would only consider it as a PCVR headset. Quest pro might be worth it if you do social stuff like VR chat and want the face and eye tracking. That said, it's getting harder to recommend as support for it is not going to be stellar going forward and standalone wise it will perform quite a bit worse. Personally I would go for the Quest 3 but that's just because of my wants and usecase. You can get setups for it, like the bobobr m3 pro headstrap, to use it like a quest pro so not closed in. All 3 are great choices, sorry I can't give you a more solid answer!
@@HeadsetHistorian Appreciate the input my brother, I will inform you once I get either of them. Is the bad binocular overlap of quest 3 and quest pro really noticable compared to pico 4s good binocular overlap? Do you feel more immersed on pico 4 than the quest pro and 3? Thank you in advance brother.
@@wolveslands6701 I am not very sensitive to binocular overlap so personally I never really noticed or felt much of a difference, but some people find it not great on the quest pro. Seems like pretty much everyone is happy enough with Q3.
@@HeadsetHistorian I'm coming from Rift s so the visual experience will likely be a huge leap in clarity and smoothness from any of the three Headsets, I didn't even use it that much like maybe I had usage time of 300+ hours total for almost five years of owning it, unfortunately the cable became faulty one me on a random day it had no visible kink's or frays on the cable so it was hard to troubleshoot what was causing the loss of tracking on my Rift s, any of these Headsets will serve me right, but I want to get the best one among the three I mentioned, and so far I'm leaning towards the quest 3 since it's your preferred headset to use with PCVR and standalone. Thank you for taking your time and responding to my questions.
Since the release of steam link, I would say 100% yes. Before then I would probably not. If MR stuff on the quest 3 gets better, with the release of augments etc then it may be more appealing overall. Actually, to specify, if you are interested in PCVR then definitely the Quest pro but if standalone then the Quest 3. Hope that helps!
If you're buying new then definitely the 3, if you can get a cheap quest pro then it's more debatable and up to what your personal priorities are. Overall though, I would say get the 3.
Ya, if you can only afford one and want to do a mix of standalone VR/MR, plus PCVR, it probably make some sense to just go for the Q3. If you already have a QPro, like I have since it came out +11mo ago, and also want better standalone VR/MR then also buy the Q3, if you can afford to do so. Fortunately, I'm lucky to be able to afford to do this and also I've been lucky to be able to afford a good desktop gaming PC (i913900k/rtx4090) and good router/wifi setup (for good wireless PCVR). For me, the QPro/Q3 combo is the best overall VR experience I've ever had in the +5yrs I've been doing VR. Until Meta comes out with an improved QPro 2 with micro oled's (in 2025?), this combo is going to do me fine. Also, every time I hear a TH-camr say how much better Virtual Desktop works compared to Link and Air Link I cringe, and unsubscribe, lol! With the right setup and settings both wireless systems work well, but right now it's pretty hard to beat Link at 650mbps bitrate imho.
also got the pro which i will keep but thinking to send the quest 3 back or also to keep it. Dont have a pcvr setup so dont really know what to use both for. Quest pro feels awsome because its premium and has better colours but quest 3 is new, snappy and has a nice resolution which is noticeble compared to quest pro.
Quest Pro is too expensive and not worth it, with the Quest 3 out now, if the Quest Pro would be cheaper than what it is, then it maybe worth keeping, if you think about it, the Quest 3 with the Elite strap or any other aftermarket strap, (preferably a strap with a battery) is a new and improved Quest Pro, it has everything the Pro does and more, I was tempted buy the Quest Pro last year, but held off and waited for the Quest 3 to come out
Yeah, I agree overall. I think Quest pro won't get a price cut, as they want to keep the pro line for later, so it will likely just be discontinued entirely at some stage in the next year. Reports are that they have already stopped buying new parts for the quest pro so it's just a matter of remaining stock now.
@@HeadsetHistorian it's just too overpriced and expensive for most consumers, it was introduced last year as a headset aimed for businesses and corporations with the Mixed Reality feature it has, if Meta wanted more success with it, they should of made it more affordable to everyone when it came out, it was pretty much a expensive option to the Quest 2 until the Quest 3 came out recently
Yeah, exactly. I think if it had released 1 yesr earlier (as originally planned) with the depth sensor then the launch price if 1499 would have been much more palatable, but coming out in 2022 with no depth sensor? It should have been 999 out of the gate.
Apparent Quest pro is 79.92 degrees overlap and Quest 3 is 80. So should be imperceptible difference actually. That is according to Riso2000's database btw.
This video was just about my own personal choice and the value proposition I saw for myself from each headset. Eye tracking and face tracking are brilliant technologies but at this moment in time, for me personally, I don't use them so they don't present any value. I do try to make it clear in my videos that these are my own subjective opinions for my own uses within VR.
I didn't mention quest 1 a single time? And only briefly mentioned quest 2. Thanks for the feedback though, I'll try to keep future videos more on topic.
I guess you need to check your eyes if you couldn't tell the difference between Quest 3 and Pro screen clarity. The difference is as clear as sky! th-cam.com/video/6gd_kEafeR0/w-d-xo.html
Bobo battery pack, or ANY battery pack is useless with the Quest3. You will be screaming about the battery life and how it can just die with a l,ow battery left.
The quest 3's gawd aweful toy-like appearance is holding me back from pulling the trigger. The quest pro looks very refined in appearance.
You don't see it when you're wearing it ;)
Thank you. I bought the Quest 3 for Christmas. I was coming over from a Pico 4 and find the Quest 3 very uncomfortable. I am considering switching to the Quest Pro specifically for the comfort level.
Did it work?
Although I do like the default strap that the Quest Pro comes with, you don’t have to change anything on it, that’s the nice feature about it, well besides buying the light blocking facial interface for it, it is a nice looking headset, but obviously the Quest 3 is the headset to have now, for me the worst vr headsets that I have tried are the HP Reverb G2 and the Pimax 8kx, unstable software and blurry screen resolution on both of those headsets
Well, I didn´t try all four HMDs from your comment, but I use 8kx as the best for me. And meta 3 was so uncomfortable and blurry screen, that I got sick in a first 5 min.
All I want to say, VR HMDs are not "one size fits all", what is good for me might be the worst for somebody else.
I will keep my pro - thanks for the video - great job I only play pcvr - how people play those quest games no idea
I currently own a Rift S, Quest 2, Quest 3 and PSVR2. I had a Quest Pro but I returned it. While the screen was technically better on the Pro than the quest 2; I found that I had a lot of difficulty getting a clear view with it. the pro was overall not very comfortable IMO and I really just hated it. The Quest 3 was immediately great for me. the clarity of the screen and the readability of text in any direction I look is just phenomenal. Quest 3 is easily the best of all the VR headsets I've used.
True but they need an eye tracking feature for the quest 3
Great video and I apcate the rant it added to the discution.
I haven’t tried the Mixed Reality feature on the Quest 3 yet, I’m more into just playing regular vr games on it, I’m really not into the idea of combining vr games with your actual surrounding environment, it looks alright I suppose
I would have thought the heat dissipation difference, the way you described it, would been a larger factor.
18:55 honestly yeah it's better then an smart phone but still can't touch the 3DS in terms of passthough but if you lower the brightness and get distracted like with the screen door which is back too you really don't notice it.
20:59 Same that is the best demo of MR I know... Lwhich that is how you set up your space a super AR/MR barrier which you can do when first setting up the headset... And yeah it's not perfect but to make a fast playspace it's revolutionary! But still I first meta would let it gueas common things like tables, chairs and lamps but oh well...
37:21 What about behind your back and above your head? You know like for flight simming or Sports/combat?
You need to hold them in that position for a second or 2 for it to be an issue, so for me it has always been fine as I'm just doing a quick movement. If it's a flight sim then I might be holding my hands up for longer but I would also be looking so then the controller is within that tracking volume.
Thanks for your comments btw, glad you enjoyed the video!
Question: Can you somehow pair the Q3 controllers to the Q Pro? Would love to have controllers on the Pro where I can swap the batteries and keep playing non-stop.
No unfortunately that seems to not be possible, I imagine it's down to the improved hand tracking on the Quest 3 being required. It probably is technically possible but meta don't seem to have any intention of implementing or supporting that pairing.
Yeah! I am glad you mentioned the Quest Pro controller tracking. It is hopeless compared the Quest 2 and Quest 3. Really inconsistent.
They have a great feel both weight and texture wise, but the tracking it too glitchy.
It has the potential to be the best tracking out there, but yeah much too glitchy and inconsistent. It seems like every other update causes a lot of issues with the controllers for folks.
I still think face and eye tracking is important too.
Not sure how anyone would accomplish that on the quest 3. Face and eye tracking as well as curb appeal, headset balance, heat dissipation and dimming feature all seem to favor the Pro and is why I bought the quest pro today BNIB for $650.
@@user-zv3lj1ef7l I've got the Quest Pro too.
Using local dimming on Half Life Alyx makes a huge difference for the darker scenes
19:18 I agree it should haqve been this time next year when it was ready... But then again on launch the only pdevice that can beat this value wise is the switch because it's a console handhald with nintedndo games.... Other wise you can't buy a iPad, PS5, Quest 2 and AR glasses for anywehere near this price and that's the performance I found in my first few hours today. And while the VR lineup is mostly noexsistent the MR line up is solid like better then the switch which only really had Zelda and that was a port... icnic game but still.
let me ask a simple question (i have no time for 47 min video without timeline), if you use quest only for PCVR via 5Ghz wifi-6 (not wifi-6e, and let this AR-function with depth sensor will trown away in trashcan, i didnt need this), i have a quest pro, so for me is it worth the update to quest 3? In tearm of image quality, tracking and comfort from the box. Thanks.
I would say no, stay on the quest pro if PCVR is all you care about. The only potential benefit is if you could sell the Quest pro for more than the Quest 3, then it would probably be worth it as 120hz is nice, along with slightly improved clarity and FOV (but worse colours/contrast).
It also depends on what type of headstrap you like. If you like the open design of the quest pro, as in don't use the lightblockers, then Quest pro is better.
@@HeadsetHistorianIn this terms quest pro it is my item. Foveated Rendering is future in gaming in my opinion, and for this we need eyes tracking. And yeah, i prefer open design for gaming, especially if game is fast peaced like beat saber.
P.S. i prefer solid 90Hz and maximum resolution with supersampling in games rather 120Hz with worse image quality
@@IEagleoneI I actually find myself using 90hz in Quest 3 for the same reason. I will try to add timestamps in the future btw, my videos are unscripted so it's a bit tricky but I will try to organise the videos into sections more in the future.
Thanks again for your comments!
@@IEagleoneII also think Dynamic Foveated Rendering with eye tracking is the future, not only for optimization and social interactions, but also interactions with in game actors. For instance, NPCs with complex behavior trees that can react to eye movement input.
We need 6E router or it will be just enough 6 router?
5ghz network isn’t to busy in my home so i think wifi 6 will be good or not ? What do you think?
I will get this Q3 on next week also
If your 5ghz isn't busy then it's totally fine, wifi 6e will only improve latency by 1-2ms compared to a good 5ghz connection. The main benefit of 6e, right now at least, is just that the band is not busy.
Thank you for the video with your input on your feelings, and with adding in Quest 2 and Pro comparisons to Quest 3.
I'm SO enthused to hear you're impressed with the Quest 3 overall. Makes me feel even better about my decision to have ordered Quest 3 today to upgrade my Quest 2 that I've had since launch.... and I've loved it all along. It was a welcome upgrade to my Index. Index was a rough one for me. Disappointed in resolution, glare/godrays and bulk. Glad to be passed that for a while now.
Quest 3, here we come!!
Pimax Crystal is worth the price or it isn't because Quest 3 isn't so much worse? What do you think the sharpness is so much in the Crystal and the picture quality so it means woth 4 times price different or not? Or the wireless VR and any other advantage is more important just the little bit sharper screeen?
Very tough question, and really it would come down to your personal preference. For me personally I loved the crystal but it's just too bulky and I don't want to go back to wired. If the wireless solution on the crystal ends up being solid then it will be a real contender, even at the price hike, but that is yet to be seen.
So all things considered, right now I would go with the Quest 3 personally but I can see many folks preferring the Crystal (especially simmers playing flight sims etc).
Q3 is a much more polished and comfortable headset. Especially in weight and lenses, massive points for VR.
What about the depth perception ? Is it good in Q3 or not ? Quest Pro is better in this case ? Bionocular overlap is right in Q3?
Depth perception, for MR, feels better in the Quest 3 but not by much. I'm surprised at how good it is in thr Quest Pro, considering it does not have a depth sensor.
If you're looking for a MR headset then the Quest 3 is a lot better, no competition really.
@@HeadsetHistorian I mean what about the depth percepiton the 3d depth in VR ? I am not interested MR... I heared therrible stereo overlap in Q3 because of the santed display and i am worried about that And what about the resolution you think the screen door effect is visible and disturbing? I have G2 and center clarity is nice ... Thanks this answer .
@@Nyersevo Ah okay, I understand you now. I have found it fine, not amazing or anything but just average. It wasn't off putting but definitely not a selling point. If overlap is a big deal then the pico 4 is still the best out there.
@@HeadsetHistorian Thanks this replay ok i calmed down i hope Q3 would be good in this case
pretty bad on the q3, unacceptable for me (getting crosseyed when things are up close etc)
Great video! I'm having many of the same thoughts as you. I've actually arranged a return for the Quest 3 with Amazon who are collecting tomorrow but I'm still going back and forth. The standalone and mixed reality are better on Quest 3, and you're absolutely correct about those features probably improving a lot over the coming months.
I was still really disappointed with the MR though. With a next gen chip, a depth sensor and higer resolution passthrough cameras I was really expecting something quite special, but visually, it looks like Quest Pro with a decent software update, still not something I want to use.
Standalone is better but I really don't use standalone for anything more than exercise so not really a gain there. PCVR I still prefer Quest Pro, although could happily use either.
Ultimately I elected to return Quest 3 as I find the Pro much more comfortable, at least versus Quest 3 stock strap, and I paid £1500 for it and its painful to replace it with a sub £500 device.
If I was buying today and had neither, I probably pick Quest 3 though.
I think my Q3/512Gb standalone for VR/MR is already pretty exciting and I'm looking forward to further improvements in the near future. Also, it'd proving to be a very good backup to my +11mo QPro for PCVR, wired with Link and wireless with Air Link. Personally I'm very happy to be able to afford to have both. My poor +2.5yo Q2/64Gb has now joined my retired VR headset collection, lol!
Completely agree with all that you said. I was ready to return the Quest 3 but managed to get a good price for the Quest pro so that pushed me over the edge, had I not then I think I would have been returning the Quest 3 mostly down to the comfort and design of the Quest pro.
And your point about the passthrough feeling the same but with a software update sums it up very well, it's much closer than I expected.
Why is PCVR better on the Pro?
Are the black levels of pro much better than Quest 3 (after adjusting brightness and contrast on Q3)?
Also Quest Pro is 200g heavier than Q3 (without elite strap), but I guess with the Elite strap, it's almost the same weight.
I might get buy either one for PCVR. Black levels and comfort are something I'm looking at in comparison.
@@zackmac5917 I think the colours and blacks have something to do with it. It might also be that I have the Pro modded with a headstrap the way I like it, whilst the Quest 3, I'm still using the awful stock strap and facial interface.
I notice more glare and mura in the Quest 3, and I also have a couple dead pixels so I'm going to return and see if the replacement looks better. Subjectively, it feels to me like the Pro has better quality lenses and displays, but it may be natural variance between panels and lenses, so I'll report back for sure when I've tried another Quest 3.
@@zackmac5917 I put a poll up a couple hours ago on the Quest Pro subreddit on Reddit asking people's thoughts so far and it seems really split.
17 so far saying Q3 mostly replaced their Pro.
12 loving both headsets for different reasons.
9 keeping the 3 but still using their Pro more.
5 sold their Pro over Quest
17 Returned Quest 3, stick with Pro.
So its really hard to get a consensus opinion yet!
Found a good deal for quest pro for $690 in brand new condition, do you think it's worth getting the quest pro over quest 3 for that price, the comfort and open design of the quest pro for better airflow is really attractive and i will use it %90 of the time for PCVR, i will also occasionally play exclusive standalone game's like re4 and assassin's creed, but mainly PCVR, the fact that the lenses get completely fogged up in other HMDs due to lack of airflow is a huge drawback to me especially in summer, i also like that the display has local dimming therefore giving deeper blacks and overall better image quality.
Quest 3 is also very tempting for the price, not sure which one i should get to be fair.
I found a very good deal for pico 4 as well, $250 for a brand new one, is it even comparable to quest 3 and quest pro? In terms of display quality, tracking etc..? And are there any solid reasons for one to get the pico 4 over the meta Headset's except for the price?
That's a tough one!
The pico 4 at that price is really appealing, it is a great headset and the main benefit it has is much better stereo overlap, but I would only consider it as a PCVR headset.
Quest pro might be worth it if you do social stuff like VR chat and want the face and eye tracking. That said, it's getting harder to recommend as support for it is not going to be stellar going forward and standalone wise it will perform quite a bit worse.
Personally I would go for the Quest 3 but that's just because of my wants and usecase. You can get setups for it, like the bobobr m3 pro headstrap, to use it like a quest pro so not closed in.
All 3 are great choices, sorry I can't give you a more solid answer!
@@HeadsetHistorian Appreciate the input my brother, I will inform you once I get either of them.
Is the bad binocular overlap of quest 3 and quest pro really noticable compared to pico 4s good binocular overlap?
Do you feel more immersed on pico 4 than the quest pro and 3?
Thank you in advance brother.
@@wolveslands6701 I am not very sensitive to binocular overlap so personally I never really noticed or felt much of a difference, but some people find it not great on the quest pro. Seems like pretty much everyone is happy enough with Q3.
@@HeadsetHistorian I'm coming from Rift s so the visual experience will likely be a huge leap in clarity and smoothness from any of the three Headsets, I didn't even use it that much like maybe I had usage time of 300+ hours total for almost five years of owning it, unfortunately the cable became faulty one me on a random day it had no visible kink's or frays on the cable so it was hard to troubleshoot what was causing the loss of tracking on my Rift s, any of these Headsets will serve me right, but I want to get the best one among the three I mentioned, and so far I'm leaning towards the quest 3 since it's your preferred headset to use with PCVR and standalone.
Thank you for taking your time and responding to my questions.
Where do you get the 3 printed parts for the strap
On printables.com and I have my own printer.
Would you buy a pro if you could get it cheaper then the 3 if £100 cheaper...?
Since the release of steam link, I would say 100% yes. Before then I would probably not.
If MR stuff on the quest 3 gets better, with the release of augments etc then it may be more appealing overall.
Actually, to specify, if you are interested in PCVR then definitely the Quest pro but if standalone then the Quest 3. Hope that helps!
@HeadsetHistorian hi thanks 👍 both to be honest I use to do pcvr aswell as stand alone on my quest 2
Which one should i get ? Pro or 3?
If you're buying new then definitely the 3, if you can get a cheap quest pro then it's more debatable and up to what your personal priorities are.
Overall though, I would say get the 3.
Which one is better?
It really depends on your personal preferences, I think an argument could be made either way. For me personally, it is the Quest 3.
Ya, if you can only afford one and want to do a mix of standalone VR/MR, plus PCVR, it probably make some sense to just go for the Q3. If you already have a QPro, like I have since it came out +11mo ago, and also want better standalone VR/MR then also buy the Q3, if you can afford to do so. Fortunately, I'm lucky to be able to afford to do this and also I've been lucky to be able to afford a good desktop gaming PC (i913900k/rtx4090) and good router/wifi setup (for good wireless PCVR). For me, the QPro/Q3 combo is the best overall VR experience I've ever had in the +5yrs I've been doing VR. Until Meta comes out with an improved QPro 2 with micro oled's (in 2025?), this combo is going to do me fine.
Also, every time I hear a TH-camr say how much better Virtual Desktop works compared to Link and Air Link I cringe, and unsubscribe, lol! With the right setup and settings both wireless systems work well, but right now it's pretty hard to beat Link at 650mbps bitrate imho.
also got the pro which i will keep but thinking to send the quest 3 back or also to keep it. Dont have a pcvr setup so dont really know what to use both for. Quest pro feels awsome because its premium and has better colours but quest 3 is new, snappy and has a nice resolution which is noticeble compared to quest pro.
@@nisardosti7611 With PCVR I have not noticed much difference.
@@tomc1380 may i ask why you keep both? Maybe for travelling the quest 3 is more compact
@@nisardosti7611 Maybe the Q3 for travelling. Also as a backup for my QPro.
Quest Pro is too expensive and not worth it, with the Quest 3 out now, if the Quest Pro would be cheaper than what it is, then it maybe worth keeping, if you think about it, the Quest 3 with the Elite strap or any other aftermarket strap, (preferably a strap with a battery) is a new and improved Quest Pro, it has everything the Pro does and more, I was tempted buy the Quest Pro last year, but held off and waited for the Quest 3 to come out
Yeah, I agree overall. I think Quest pro won't get a price cut, as they want to keep the pro line for later, so it will likely just be discontinued entirely at some stage in the next year. Reports are that they have already stopped buying new parts for the quest pro so it's just a matter of remaining stock now.
@@HeadsetHistorian it's just too overpriced and expensive for most consumers, it was introduced last year as a headset aimed for businesses and corporations with the Mixed Reality feature it has, if Meta wanted more success with it, they should of made it more affordable to everyone when it came out, it was pretty much a expensive option to the Quest 2 until the Quest 3 came out recently
Yeah, exactly. I think if it had released 1 yesr earlier (as originally planned) with the depth sensor then the launch price if 1499 would have been much more palatable, but coming out in 2022 with no depth sensor? It should have been 999 out of the gate.
Keep Quest Pro controllers only, sell all.
I think the stereo overlapping is better in quest 3 vs quest pro.
I haven't checked the numbers yet but my gut feeling agrees with you.
Apparent Quest pro is 79.92 degrees overlap and Quest 3 is 80.
So should be imperceptible difference actually. That is according to Riso2000's database btw.
q3 overlap is 72deg on my unit and its absolutely horrible
If you doing overview and never use eye tracking and face soo how the hell you doing overview at first place.
This video was just about my own personal choice and the value proposition I saw for myself from each headset.
Eye tracking and face tracking are brilliant technologies but at this moment in time, for me personally, I don't use them so they don't present any value.
I do try to make it clear in my videos that these are my own subjective opinions for my own uses within VR.
@HeadsetHistorian well some of us trying to figure out differences between pro and quest 3 overall that would be nice to know thanks for response.
@@nukeelda of course, thanks for the comment and merry Christmas!
i came here to listen about quest 3 and pro, not about quest 1 and quest 2
I didn't mention quest 1 a single time? And only briefly mentioned quest 2. Thanks for the feedback though, I'll try to keep future videos more on topic.
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@@IEagleoneIha, you're right! My apologies and thanks for correcting me.
The guy was barely on the 1 for very long lol. There's shit loads of videos reviewing the quest three. Go watch a shorter one if it's a length problem
I guess you need to check your eyes if you couldn't tell the difference between Quest 3 and Pro screen clarity. The difference is as clear as sky! th-cam.com/video/6gd_kEafeR0/w-d-xo.html
Bro there is no comparison bro lool
For standalone, I completely agree but for PCVR I think it's a toss up
Bobo battery pack, or ANY battery pack is useless with the Quest3. You will be screaming about the battery life and how it can just die with a l,ow battery left.