Great test! They say for long highway rides where there isn't much start/stop or downhill, turning regen completely off will get you the best range. If you can coast, that's range for free. Another sweet video!
Yeah, I did a test ride today - I think cruise control might actually be hurting me a little on the hills and curves in the blue ridge parkway. I'm doing the same route again tomorrow, this time without cruise control since it's pretty much hilly the entire route. I'm also going to focus more on feathering the throttle. Looking forward to your next video - although can't do much during winter lol
@@thecolor I think the difference is marginal between the two, especially over similar terrain. The bike is consistent with the amount of power/acceleration when set on cruise control, so it will attempt to accelerate at the same rate no matter the road conditions. A rider could manually accelerate less and save some consumption, however I’m not sure how much that would actually be - maybe a mile or two. But I have no idea of testing whether I’m right or wrong
@@AdventuresonZero I got the orange 2020 model ex demo. Only 1000 miles on it. Saved about 5 grand over retail in uk. Very pleased with it but I’ll be honest I haven’t had it out of sport mode yet. Set up my own modes tonight !
At the end you look at your energy consumption WIDGET and throttle pay to keep realtime usage as low as possible, if you master this widget it can help you squeeze miles out of the RESS.
They could put lever on the left for direct control over regen, that way coasting could be used mist of the time and regen used for control of downhill and general slowing down without using brakes at all unless you really need to ?
A simple solution I use is riding with two custom profiles, all other riding modes are disabled. The two profiles are identical, one has full regen the other has it off. Great for when I take the interstate, can flick regen off quickly.
My LW cust.A. mode is 60,60,80 and as long as I stay under 70mph I do about 1.1miles per 1%. However, I can not slowly roll the throttle so I could be doing better.
That’s pretty good at 70mph. Yeah the slow roll on takes constant deliberate thought. If I feel myself being pushed into the back of the seat, I know I’m accelerating too much, but often times I forget to roll easy. It’s surprising how much that affects range
When I tried Energica with it's stronger regen, then I tried again the Livewire. I made a custom sport profile adding regen to 100% (following your video tutorial). I see no reason to have regen any less then 100% in any vehicle, it doesn't make any sense. Regen is the way.
I think in some cases regen is less effective, predominantly in really flat terrain and grid style roadways that don’t have curves or tight turns. coasting to a stop may save more energy it takes to make it to the destination. That’s al theory on my end, and can’t really test that where I am. But I agree that 100% regen is the way to go - just hope you don’t tap your brake on the freeway 😂 I have another profile just for interstate that does t have regen.
@@AdventuresonZero Well, to "coast" you just touch the throttle ever so slightly. The control is so precise and fluid that's how I did it. It's that different from my Low Rider S (the 110" engine combined with the relative light frame is already heavier on the engine breaking then most bikes) that I'm always in control. The Livewire especially, because you also control the regen strength easily when on minimum throttle (they even show you). It makes the ride more fun too.
For the Milwaukee trip, I used range mode (leaf) for the majority of the time. I didn't use this trick then, and I REALLY wish I would have! lol, would have saved me some headaches for sure. I didn't even think about using custom ride modes. If you want better range, this beats the preset ride modes hands down.
@@AdventuresonZero thanks for the heads up, I'll keep that in mind. Love your channel btw, very helpful for people like me that just bought the Livewire.
@@AdventuresonZero I did it on a DSR years ago, then on my Ribelle last year. I'm curious to see which bike does better - my old Ribelle doesn't have the newer, more efficient motor, and the HD is crazy efficient.
The overall route heads to lower elevation, yes, with a large climb in the beginning with rolling hills throughout until I hit richmond. However I’ve made it both ways on one charge, so not sure how much of a difference it makes
@@dannydaw59 it can, just depends if you need to slow down. Theres an art to it, as you can never replace more than you take out. You don’t want to slow down too much and lost the momentum needed to maintain speed. Then you’re taking out energy you just put in. In my experience, energy conservation by coasting is better for range than regen braking.
It’s counter to what makes the motorcycle fun, and most people don’t consider these points when riding. Video is aimed at new riders that don’t have the experience to know these things
Great test! They say for long highway rides where there isn't much start/stop or downhill, turning regen completely off will get you the best range. If you can coast, that's range for free. Another sweet video!
Yeah, I did a test ride today - I think cruise control might actually be hurting me a little on the hills and curves in the blue ridge parkway. I'm doing the same route again tomorrow, this time without cruise control since it's pretty much hilly the entire route. I'm also going to focus more on feathering the throttle. Looking forward to your next video - although can't do much during winter lol
@@AdventuresonZero how did the second test work for you?
@@thecolor I think the difference is marginal between the two, especially over similar terrain. The bike is consistent with the amount of power/acceleration when set on cruise control, so it will attempt to accelerate at the same rate no matter the road conditions. A rider could manually accelerate less and save some consumption, however I’m not sure how much that would actually be - maybe a mile or two. But I have no idea of testing whether I’m right or wrong
@4:15 -- *Homeboy casually filmed himself stealing electricity from a Federal building!* 😎
I always ask before plugging in 😉
Love your content. It’s informing my decision to buy a Del Mar
nice! which color?
Tucking in, even without windscreen, gains me around to 10%
Pushing that chunk of flesh really affects aero
Would having a windscreen give more range?
Nice ride. Great bike.
Lot more quiet than my Energica.
Thanks! I think the chain makes all the difference in sound. I wonder how the LW wound sound with one
Fascinating test! I just bought a live wire so found this video very useful thanks
Awesome! Glad you found it helpful. What color did you get?
@@AdventuresonZero I got the orange 2020 model ex demo. Only 1000 miles on it. Saved about 5 grand over retail in uk. Very pleased with it but I’ll be honest I haven’t had it out of sport mode yet. Set up my own modes tonight !
@@theonlyredspecial hell yeah! That orange fuze is GORGEOUS in person. I just picked up my second LW in orange
At the end you look at your energy consumption WIDGET and throttle pay to keep realtime usage as low as possible, if you master this widget it can help you squeeze miles out of the RESS.
Yep! It takes concentrated effort to go against what makes this bike so great - not riding torque-y!! Gonna practice feathering the throttle
They could put lever on the left for direct control over regen, that way coasting could be used mist of the time and regen used for control of downhill and general slowing down without using brakes at all unless you really need to ?
A simple solution I use is riding with two custom profiles, all other riding modes are disabled. The two profiles are identical, one has full regen the other has it off. Great for when I take the interstate, can flick regen off quickly.
My LW cust.A. mode is 60,60,80 and as long as I stay under 70mph I do about 1.1miles per 1%. However, I can not slowly roll the throttle so I could be doing better.
That’s pretty good at 70mph. Yeah the slow roll on takes constant deliberate thought. If I feel myself being pushed into the back of the seat, I know I’m accelerating too much, but often times I forget to roll easy. It’s surprising how much that affects range
Also, love that you’re yet another Zero channel, that doesn’t have a Zero anymore. Haha
🤣🤣🤣🤣 the transition to anything electric is easy with ‘Zero’ in the name
@@AdventuresonZero Right? I switched mine up to be "Zero (emission) Fun". You're Zero emission Adventures? :D
@@ZeroFun correct!
When I tried Energica with it's stronger regen, then I tried again the Livewire. I made a custom sport profile adding regen to 100% (following your video tutorial).
I see no reason to have regen any less then 100% in any vehicle, it doesn't make any sense. Regen is the way.
I think in some cases regen is less effective, predominantly in really flat terrain and grid style roadways that don’t have curves or tight turns. coasting to a stop may save more energy it takes to make it to the destination. That’s al theory on my end, and can’t really test that where I am. But I agree that 100% regen is the way to go - just hope you don’t tap your brake on the freeway 😂 I have another profile just for interstate that does t have regen.
@@AdventuresonZero Well, to "coast" you just touch the throttle ever so slightly. The control is so precise and fluid that's how I did it. It's that different from my Low Rider S (the 110" engine combined with the relative light frame is already heavier on the engine breaking then most bikes) that I'm always in control.
The Livewire especially, because you also control the regen strength easily when on minimum throttle (they even show you).
It makes the ride more fun too.
Oh, and for long, boring flat*... I just turn on cruise control and relax. ;)
* basically no flat roads here anyway.
Hack the speed limiter!
~express your inherent freedoms to ‘Do what thou wilt’.
🤣🤣 I’m not a speed junky, pretty content with the current speed limitations!
For your 2500 mi trip, what mode did you use the most? Did you have a custom layout then?
For the Milwaukee trip, I used range mode (leaf) for the majority of the time. I didn't use this trick then, and I REALLY wish I would have! lol, would have saved me some headaches for sure. I didn't even think about using custom ride modes. If you want better range, this beats the preset ride modes hands down.
@@AdventuresonZero thanks for the heads up, I'll keep that in mind. Love your channel btw, very helpful for people like me that just bought the Livewire.
@@tijoh03 glad you find it helpful! Ride safe!
Dude. Let’s ride Skyline drive together and compare states!
Hell yeah! Let’s put it on the calendar. I’ve only done it once
@@AdventuresonZero I did it on a DSR years ago, then on my Ribelle last year. I'm curious to see which bike does better - my old Ribelle doesn't have the newer, more efficient motor, and the HD is crazy efficient.
@@ZeroFun there’s a CCS at a Chevy dealership just outside the north end, we could start there then head south. Closest CCS at the end is in Staunton
This test was done on a mostly downhill route correct?
The overall route heads to lower elevation, yes, with a large climb in the beginning with rolling hills throughout until I hit richmond. However I’ve made it both ways on one charge, so not sure how much of a difference it makes
@@AdventuresonZero I wonder if regenerative braking could actually charge the bike up on a really steep downhill route.
@@dannydaw59 it can, just depends if you need to slow down. Theres an art to it, as you can never replace more than you take out. You don’t want to slow down too much and lost the momentum needed to maintain speed. Then you’re taking out energy you just put in. In my experience, energy conservation by coasting is better for range than regen braking.
Did you get permission to charge from the building owner?
Yes
He’s just getting a small fraction of his taxes he pays yearly back.. nothing to be concerned about here… 🤔
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It’s like he’s never driven a car or motorcycle before? Everything he says is common sense.
It’s counter to what makes the motorcycle fun, and most people don’t consider these points when riding. Video is aimed at new riders that don’t have the experience to know these things