yeah , if you look at the early electric cars like the first rav4 or such , they were expensive and did 60miles range on massive batteries and took the whole night to charge. compre to todays plus model does 226 miles and charges fully in 3 hours, still expensive but more bang for your buck, tesla even more so but not sold everywhere.
This bike just went on sale at my local Harley dealership for $22,000. Most likely due to the announcement that HD will be splitting off Livewire as it’s own brand starting at $22,000! (A bit of an insult to recent livewire owners who paid full price)
That is the problem with electric. If the aim is to get me to save money then they started off on the wrong foot. More "affordable" stuff you can find these days is literally chinese bikes with an electric motor. Not going to spend 15k for that one either.
Giovanni Di Cello I agree but I feel like we can improve this statement by saying that this is more generally an issue with cutting edge tech. The price to pay for early adopters. Electric vehicles have been around for a little while now but I don’t really feel like they’ve yet broken into the mainstream market and reaped the benefits of such. These things will probably be at least a bit cheaper once a larger mass production oriented supply line is established. At least I can hope, this bike looks like riding the future, just not a future that I can currently afford.
its like the Prius, after 5 or so years the price will be slightly more than a regular combustion engine powered motorcycle. though I'm not sure about that, gas bikes will always be a thing seeing as how the technology for batteries is as good as it'll ever get, and the battery being the biggest factor of price, yeah, they'll be somewhere in the neighbourhood of 25k in 5 to 10 years time.
Like he said, this wouldn’t be for hard riding, but I can absolutely see experiencing a zen-like happiness while gliding silently over some beautiful state or national park forest roads.
@@Dave5843-d9m boy oh boy do you have some learnin to do. did you ever smoke? i did. last time, less than 2 years ago, i rode a pedal death machine i took a grand kids back home about 100 feet on flat ground and 200 feet slightly up hill. im 66, 64 then lets say. and lets say that WAS the last i will be doing that. before i started driving i rode a 10 speed to ITS death. many many miles for years.
I own Livewire 279 of the first 500 sold, got 1,400 miles on it (crappy weather or I'd have more) absolutely love it, no Issues. About my 30th Bike and my 6th Harley been riding for 42 years.
Saw your Army Ret. profile pic and had to say thank you for your service to a brother in arms from one vet to another. I wonder if you could answer a question for me. I’m looking to get another bike and want to do some long trips. Any suggestions on the bike I need to go with? I have to stay at $7000 and under. Fixed income can put a drag on life at times. Lol
@Rollyone as a BMW C-Evolution owner, I don't think it's worth the price. The C-Evolution is considered expensive for a maxiscooter at 15400 euro in my country. But a comparable Yamaha Tmax TechMax (petrol, not electric) costs 14999. Even with petrol costing close to 1.80 euro a litre, I doubt you're going to reclaim that extra initial investment.
Ended up riding one of these at a Harley demo ride event, rode it last after a few other bikes throughout the day - I have to say even without it being on the fastest mode the acceleration was incredible. Felt much faster than any of the 114ci bikes, and was a ton of fun! Never thought I’d say that.
@@johncoops6897 no, it has different modes like rain, sport, highway, econ. Rain takes away around 60% of torque. By no means is it to alienate the customer base. Besides it's governor'd to go slower than a 107
Oh let me tell ya .;. i work on small engine (lawn mowers , chainsaws and such ) for a living . And i cant tell you how many people ive met that get all bent out of shape if you call it a motor .. Please ppl the term goes both ways . put your college English teacher cap away .
My two test rides on the Livewire left me with wishing I had an extra $30k sitting in my pocket. It was freaking awesome! I was going 100 mph before the salesman left the parking lot on the livewire he was riding.
@@joshuahoward332 the range is about the same as my KLX300SM. The difference is that I can refuel and continue riding. I always laugh at the range comments because most people don’t ride 100 miles at a time. When I was young and only had a motorcycle for transportation I rode 10 miles one way to work, and maybe 50 miles on a Saturday cruising Daytona Beach.
@@Dave-sw2dm I ride a 800 cruiser and with my larger fuel tank I’m able to go about 200 miles and honestly my cruiser bike is used for long curvy roads on the mountain sides where there is no electricity or power just the small gas station that supports the common phone charger which from the information I found, only way to charge this bike in under an hour is to you a stage 3 charger or a super charger. A regular outlet will take many ours to charge the bike.
@@joshuahoward332 , most people who buy an electric bike either have a short commute or add it to their stable of bikes. I’m sure those that bought the Livewire added it to their stable. I live on twisty roads and can do a 70 mile fun ride after work. Not having to stop for fuel would be nice. I just can’t justify the expense.
Fun fact, I was talking to my dealer principal a few weeks ago, and he told me that the reason Harley Davidson is delivering these bikes to the house is because the Dealerships that want to sell these are being FORCED to buy a really expensive charging station. Since many dealerships are not making a lot of cash these days as compared to last few years, they are not interested in buying the charging station or Paying for electricity to not only charge the new bikes, but also charge the customers bikes, should they decide to stop by and charge their bikes. Plus, they don't see them being a huge sales item, so they don't want to invest in the charger.
Those aren't leads, that a charge port. It's made for charging the battery, not the other way around. (plus there are communication lines the specifically engage the power rails)
My BMW R1250RS has a 3.0s 0-60. It's neither a superbike nor a supercar, just a big twin with lots of torque. The LW S1 needs 120v @ 15a to charge, and while your generator is rated for 16.2a sustained, voltage will initially drop to around 100v before the motor steps up -- it's that lag the LW's power controller doesn't like so it throws the red light and says no.
@@blacksheep6888 I rode 3 of these, I've never had so much fun on a motorcycle, these things are torque MONSTERS! don't take my word for it, go demo ride one
Range was terrible on the first Tesla too. But they've getting great now. Harley is the first mass production manufacturer to do this. Don't talk to me about Zero. They're a hobby company. And they're not available most countries on the planet like a Harley or a Kawasaki, or even a Royal Enfield is. So, they've gone out on a limb here, but they're the first.
@@IRLtrolls They dont, and any review worth its publishers weight that compares the Zero and the Livewire the Livewire comes out on top. Every time. All the bois are just sore because Harley stepped away from the boomers in a drastic way, as they've groveled about for years, they just didn't do it the way they wanted Harley to do it and all the ice in Antarctica couldnt cool the butthurt. When the Pan-America and Bronx are released I fully expect to hear the same comments from the same talking heads that refuse to give the motor company a chance in hell, yet seem to have an opinion about everything they make and do.
I bet it does amazingly well. Charlie and Ewan are releasing a new long way up series using HD livewires. Looks what happened with the BMW popularity off the back of the first 2 seasons
It might be a crap speculation 🤷♂️ unless they shit all over the bikes the whole show, its bound to help sales though. Having generators kind of defeats the whole point... I was wondering how they'd deal with the Range issues. Electrics not really suitable for touring yet. Day rides and commuting is their area at the moment.
Overthinking yeah I’m thinking it’s because the person I bought it from put Vance and Hines exhaust on it and didn’t rejet it. I got the jet kit but haven’t taken it apart yet
3:13 HOLY CRAP!!!! A Harley Davidson that cant be reved!?! What on earth are they going to do while sitting at red lights now??? How will they stroke thier own ego!? This is a BIG problem in the Harley community!
Why would you want to commute with this thing in the city when you can use an E-Bicycle instead? You don't need a license, registration, plates or inspection. Don't have to look for parking, can use dedicated bicycle paths, can blow through lights without much trouble. You will literally get to your destination twice as fast on an E-bicycle.
Because we love speed and the freedom that it offers, we love taking corners and pushing it to the limit, we love the wind we feel when going fast, and honestly e-bikes are just more environmentally friendly :) you could drive a bicycle and be boring or ride a motorcycle and live your life
@@xifpotsved That's exactly my point. Motorcycles are meant to be taken on journeys and twisty roads. Where in the city environment are you going to find an open, twisty road?
@ALCLCF Not really. To get totally clear of an urban area and on some good twisty roads, it takes at least 50 highway miles to get there first. If you spend your whole day there, that will be an additional 100+ miles. With an E-Motorcycle, you will not have enough range for that.
@@roybatty- all cities are not built the same lol in LA you can travel a dozen miles in any direction and find twisty roads because many hills surround that city
Not sure where you live that you can blow through red lights on a bike and not get ticketed. Whether you’re in the street or at a crosswalk you still have to obey the rules of the road.
Yeah you wont get any voltage at the 120vac plug because it goes through a rectifier and then becomes DC. Its good you didnt do what you were thinking of doing because you would have made a very loud boom or at the very least ruined the bike
@@subarulegacy4203 not the reason, i think electric cars and electric motorcycles are stupid that's my opinion but yeah i dont ride yet sadly (being poor suck)
Zero makes some incredible bikes! I bought a 2020 DSR for delivery work, and with what I save in gas, oil changes ($500-800/mo), the bike is free. FREE!But the performance... wow! I blow by everybody with 0-60 in 2.6. But not having to deal with clutching, engine noise, vibration...and nothing but pure speed is a game changer... especially for new riders! Range is the top question. The DSR for standard riding (ie fast as possible) is about 80 miles. But if you lay off the throttle, I have seen over 200 miles of displayed range. Charging time (for level 2) is 2 hours from dead. That equates (in real world trips) to a beer, joint and brief stroll down Twitter for your halfway point. For delivery work I average 5-6 hours of riding time. But the best part of an electric bike is not how fast you can go, but how SLOW. Especially for off road, you have power/torque and control that is insane. This review is great, but undersells how amazing the total experience really is. You have to adjust your life around the bike, and it's absolutely worth it. The project is very young, but I am starting ZeroRides.com from Malibu, CA for donation-based rides and multi day trips, including Hwy 33 that takes you over 7,000 feet! So yeah, get a Zero.
Beyond electric scooters, electric vehicles are largely impractical and uneconomic. However, I normally dislike Harleys, but this is an exception. Quite nice.
Why would anyone take a long trip on that lol, it takes literally 30 seconds to gas up. I don't want to wait hours for my vehicle to charge like it's a cell phone, I want to keep riding.
Fairs, but for cities this thing looks amazing! I live in London UK and polution here is a problem so it's great that more electric vehicles are being made.
Agreed, but for commuters? Fantastic. No trips to the gas station, and it's not like they're gonna be riding for leisure unless they're revheads, so a 40 min stop every 2 hours or so is nothing too extraordinary. Most long haul trips I take I usually end up taking a break anyways at about that time to take a breath
2019 Zero FXS electric supermoto The 2019 Zero FXS starts at just $8,495 Motor: 34 kW (46 hp) ZForce 75-5 air-cooled mid-drive motor Torque: 106 Nm (78 lb-ft) Top speed: 137 km/h (85 mph) City Range: 161 km (100 mi) Highway Range at 113 km/h (70 mph): 64 km (40 mi) Battery: 7.2 kWh Fuel Economy (city): 0.44 L/100 km (533 MPGe) Fuel Economy (highway): 1.10 L/100 km (213 MPGe) Typical Recharge Cost: $0.81 Charge time: 9 hours with 650W onboard charger, 4 hours with accessory charger, 2 hours with dual accessory chargers Weight: 133 kg (293 lb) Max load: 153 kg (337 lb) Brakes: J-Juan hydraulic floating caliper with Bosch Gen 9 ABS Suspension: Adjustable Showa with 178 mm (7 in) front and 227 mm (8.9 in) rear travel Hard to drop $30K when there is already a city commuter at an exponentially lower cost from an already established electric motorcycle manufacturer.
0:49 "HD is the first big, large, motorcycle manufacturer to produce a fully electric motorcycle." I guess that's what HD put in their press blurb, and I don't blame you for it. But BMW has been selling the C-Evolution since 2014. And that's completely ignoring the different South-East Asia specific manufacturers who basically beat everyone to it by several years. Now I know you're a HD fanboi, and that's fine. I also know you have basically no interest in scooters of any kind, and that's also fine. But HD is one of the late comers to the market for electric motorcycles. Brands like AGM, Kymco, Vespa, BMW, KTM, NIU, Energica, Lightning, Zero and the list goes on and on and on all handsomely beat HD to the market. And not by a matter of weeks, but by the better part of a decade.
I can guarantee you that "0" on your run time is not 0 on battery life. Any none potential fire bomb electronic device prevents over discharge by design.
@@lukeweesner4172 I heard their electric models will get an optional oil tank and several nozzles to drip oil in random places to make dyed in the wool Harley owners feel at home.
I own this motorcycle in Perth, Western Australia. The looks on peoples faces when you whizz past or do a full throttle overtake (in silence) with Harley jacket on too, is always amusing... The bike is an assortment of high quality parts from other manufacturers put together with a Harley badge on... I LOVE IT. Trouble is - charging infrastructure is poor in Western Australia..
Right on! I've thought about the motorcycle vs enginecycle thing many times. As you said, technically a motor is an electric propulsion device, while fuel or steam is an engine.
I think it's so early for these that price doesn't even really factor in for the people buying it. The early adopter status makes it worth it alone probably, as it wasn't meant to be a value proposition to begin with, more of a Halo product
I could make my own that is electric for 5-6k with the same mileage. Must be shooting for the boomer crowd because nobody in the age of 20-35 is going to afford it.
@@mikebolton2388 and real bikers want the noise and power of the original. so I dont know who they really intend to sell this to. rich people who just want to say they have one.
I feel like in most cases the engine noise echos so much that I have no clue where the biker is anyway, till I can actually SEE them. Does it help? Maybe. But goldwings are extremely quiet and I don't think anyone would call those more unsafe than anything else.
I say the zero company is a lot better they where the first ones to make a full size w dirtbike and e sportbike Edit;plus there are way more e bike company's that are way cheaper than harly
I’m a fan of combustion engines, but I rode one of these demos in Daytona. It’s the most well planted, fastest accelerating machines I’ve ever ridden. It scared me that it didn’t scare me. Over priced for me and I don’t like having limited range, but an excellent experience nonetheless. Another good example of Harley waiting a long time to copy someone else’s innovation and selling something fun to ride.
Wow, Harley-Davidson actually made a good bike. For a while now, their entire business strategy has been "loud, underpowered, chrome-y, embarrassing". Good for them.
Actually the LS-218 is more expensive. It's the fastest electric bike. It IS a sport bike though, and you seem to mostly deal in street, touring, and other more American style bikes. You should try one out, its 0-60 is terrifyingly fast. Easy way to accidentally turn your seat brown.
He does do some sports bikes, infact he has an old race bike in the office he used to run at tracks, plus I think he owns a high mileage Concours 14. But I dont think he knows much about electric bikes in general.
Just charge it like your phone befoere going to bed, then it wont run out of battery the next day. Looks like ur phone or pc are updating all the time lol, must have some sad memories!
u ever heard of a charging station? if its anything like a tesla it will have fast charge charging fully very fast. personally i think spare and interchangeable batteries would be better.
The thing is unless there is a great break through in battery technology you can't tack anymore energy in that battery pack. The pack is already very huge. Plus Li-Ion batteries degrade overtime.
The more weight you carry the faster you reduce the range, that's why cars don't just have a fuel tank that takes up most of the vehicle, even just doubling the tank size can have a terrible effect on overall range. Electric vehicles are the same, there is an optimum configuration. Otherwise big lorries/trucks would not be needed.
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k Gas weighs 6 lbs/gal. Doubling a 15 gallon gas tank would add another 90 lbs. That's an inconsequential amount of weight when it comes to fuel economy. It would make zero difference, and gas tanks don't have to be filled all the way. Even if gas was super heavy, I'd take a 2x bigger tank any day. You'd only need to fill it half way, unless you were going on a trip and needed the full 30 gallons.
They're novel and probably be more common in 10yrs, but the range is deal killer for me. I wouldn't even be able to commute to work with it. Very little support for elex vehicles in our area.
@@Boldswords11 I thought that it barely went over 100 miles and that was with actively changing the configuration into an ultra eco mode and a brand new battery. By the look of the video, if kept in more a power mode, I would be surprised if it went 80 miles. Plus, put a few hundred recharge cycles on the batter in the first year or two and suddenly a 35-40 mile commute each way (which is common for many) and you are running into range problems.
@@Boldswords11 my daily commute is about 108mi round trip, and zero charging stations at work. The bike in the video barely made 110mi in ECO mode, unless I missed something. 110mi. Arguably, most gas powered bikes have about the same range, but I can refill one of those anywhere and be on my way in 5min.
I'm really surprised how quickly he wrote off zero "there's just no dealers around me so..." Scared to actually compared them bc he knows zero would wipe the floor with Harley's EV at half the price
@@blackkitty1774 The Livewire is a very refined bike with absolutely perfect computer controls, and suspension. It's the best electric bike, but too expensive.
The zero is more of a toy. It's not really a full sized, full feature, adult bike. Plus the fact that zero wants their bikes in a landfill instead of being fixed, so you buy a new one, so they don't make it easy to fix.
I am from zambia Africa and i watch your videos every time. I really admire how you are able to get cheap bikes and get it within minutes for low cost. I pray and wish i could have one. And thanx for the prayers and verses, they are really uplifting and remind me or who is in charge.
@Mike King yes, from datasheet you can read, you can discharge cells to about 2.5V, but from 3,2 to 2,5V is almost no energy, so probably controller cut off at about 3,2-3,3V per cell to protect it, if you can program controller to cut off lower you will get maybe 10% more range and you will kill battery a lot faster
I was a expecting a kind of Chopper driving stance or at least, like Benelli 502C. This Harley-Davidson costs 36.000 euros with legal expenses, in Europe. And is smiliar to the Energica Ego that costs 5k less.
I'm 16 minutes and 6 seconds into the video. I very very rarely post comments in videos butttttt when you grab that generator and hoisted it up to the back of the motorcycle I laughed so hard I cried. THANK YOU. Now I am totally obligated to watching the rest of this video but I have to stop laughing first. Ps. The look on your face at exactly 16:06 explains it all.😳 " like your buddy shot it with a shotgun or something like that" 👀😜
"The big question I have is, can we use this giant battery....as a battery...." *moments later he connects inverter* "Ok now this is weird, it just started leaking oil..."
Yeah I built my own Chinese electric motorcycle. The Inja did a video about his and the problem and then documented his built to a 8kw motor hub and 120ah battery. Pretty cool stuff.
The DC voltage will only get to the combo connector after authentication between DC station and bike. No DC anywhere in the home AC cable, it's just the AC from your outlet, the little box is only for safety check & com with the bike. The actual AC/DC conversion happens in the on-board charger which isn't that easy to access.Some vehicles have vehicle-to-load (V2L) and even vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) capabilities from the factory, but it's pretty dangerous to jury-rig yourself. If EV motors weren't disabled while plugged, the life expectancy of a charging station would be a few days (less of a problem with bikes, though)
Things like this get me really excited about what's to come in the near future. I'm glad Harley jumped on the electrification train, and didn't let the future leave them in the past. The price will eventually come down I'm sure, but as it is right now, I can't see this being anything more than a "Hey look at me, I have a super expensive electric Harley" flex. $8000 just to replace a motorcycle battery..........nope! For the most part I tend to shy away from V-1.0 items. Wait until V-2.0 hits, and by then the kinks would mostly be ironed out, and the price is more feasible.......sometimes.
HD: "we're bleeding cash and cant get young riders into dealers, what do we do?" ALSO HD: "quick, build a 30,000 dollar electric bike with horrible range" HD: "That's genius, this is whats going to save us" Sorry, love your channel, but this was the most idiotic, tone def thing HD could have done. People are barely buying the bikes that make HD iconic because their overpriced. No one is going to buy an overpriced Harley WITHOUT the things you normally buy a Harley for (the rumble, feel, look, heritage, etc). If only Harley had, In their corporate fold, a sport bike, or multiple sport bikes, that were reasonably priced and appealed to a younger demographic, wouldn't that be something? Not hating you at all, great channel, I just came here from a documentary on Buell and the fiasco that it was so I'm fresh with hate for HD.
I'm not a fan of Harley, but I do applaud what they are doing in this space. Somebody has to be the innovator and to iterate designs before they become mass market. BTW I'm a new biker and my first bike will probably be a Zero electric bike. They really will be a game changer.
The acceleration and instant tourqe sets the ev apart from the internal combustion bike. Charging it with a gas generator is the equivalent of storing the electricity in the motorcycle and releasing it on demand.
Harley : we gonna make bikes that does 0 emissions. Him : aiight bois , now we gonna strap this portable diesel generator to the back of this bad boi. It's the future
Great vids man keep up great job provide such happiness even in such distressing situation....👌👌👌 BTW you should make a learning stunts video....anyways vid ideas are pretty limited now so might as well and it would be a pretty lovely vid entertaining as well...
I Bought the Most expensive electric dirtbike ever th-cam.com/video/qqsdSJXuwp4/w-d-xo.html
Pretty sure that Zero Motorcycles has been around far longer than Harley's electric motorcycle. Zero Motorcycles are clearly better according to many.
Touchscreen Display will brick the bike in no time flat.
3rd to reaply and i already watched it
$30,000 🙈🙈🙈🙈 NOooooo 😵😵
Mathew 19:26 Its how I get through everyday since losing my leg!
AMEN BROTHER!!
When I get my Harley Livewire the first thing I'm going to do is get louder aftermarket exhaust and earplugs.
I’ll help you jet the carbs :)
Just hook up a speaker to a white noise generator.
What's an exhaust gonna do except add weight? What u need is a loud speaker.
What? No K&N??? 😂😂😂
za guite that was a joke. Hilarious ain’t it?
Maybe in 10 years when electric bikes will cost half as much, have twice the range and fully charge in like 15 minutes.
yeah , if you look at the early electric cars like the first rav4 or such , they were expensive and did 60miles range on massive batteries and took the whole night to charge. compre to todays plus model does 226 miles and charges fully in 3 hours, still expensive but more bang for your buck, tesla even more so but not sold everywhere.
@@jonathandalton2921 the first rav 4...dude electric cars and trucks have been around since the 1920's
@@grumpyoldman-21 electric cars predate petrol, they are from 1832. But before Sony made li-ion batteries in the 90s they were hopelessly impractical.
If you think this is normal pricing for electric bikes, do some reading, it is not. It's harley's idea of normal.
My luggaged-up Zero Black Forest cost 2/3 the price and gets 1/3 more range... They have models that go for 1/3 the price too.
I physically shook my head no when sean took out that knife.
Steve same here lol
I said out loud "Don't "
Omg I said no Don't and shook my head 😂
Big noooooooo don't do it!!!
Just think of the HD OEM replacement cost of that cable, bet it doesn't come cheap to replace
This bike just went on sale at my local Harley dealership for $22,000. Most likely due to the announcement that HD will be splitting off Livewire as it’s own brand starting at $22,000! (A bit of an insult to recent livewire owners who paid full price)
They actually refunded people who bought the day ones if they got in early enoguh
That's literally the price of a high-end motorcycle with more miles and 1 minute refuel time.
I like the bike and realize this is likely the future of motorcycling but will have to wait for the price to drop A LOT.
That is the problem with electric. If the aim is to get me to save money then they started off on the wrong foot. More "affordable" stuff you can find these days is literally chinese bikes with an electric motor. Not going to spend 15k for that one either.
Giovanni Di Cello I agree but I feel like we can improve this statement by saying that this is more generally an issue with cutting edge tech. The price to pay for early adopters. Electric vehicles have been around for a little while now but I don’t really feel like they’ve yet broken into the mainstream market and reaped the benefits of such. These things will probably be at least a bit cheaper once a larger mass production oriented supply line is established. At least I can hope, this bike looks like riding the future, just not a future that I can currently afford.
Zero Motorcycles?
@@602jesse I would like to schedule a ride on a Zero. Closest Dealer for me is 3hrs away though.
its like the Prius, after 5 or so years the price will be slightly more than a regular combustion engine powered motorcycle. though I'm not sure about that, gas bikes will always be a thing seeing as how the technology for batteries is as good as it'll ever get, and the battery being the biggest factor of price, yeah, they'll be somewhere in the neighbourhood of 25k in 5 to 10 years time.
Like he said, this wouldn’t be for hard riding, but I can absolutely see experiencing a zen-like happiness while gliding silently over some beautiful state or national park forest roads.
You can ride Zen style on a souped up pedal bicycle. You certainly don’t need a $30,000 mad acceleration hyperbike.
The Livewire is a super fast bike. Way faster than Harley gas cruisers.
But gas go vroom this bike not vroom good
@@Dave5843-d9m what if I want zen style while still going 80mph
@@Dave5843-d9m boy oh boy do you have some learnin to do. did you ever smoke? i did. last time, less than 2 years ago, i rode a pedal death machine i took a grand kids back home about 100 feet on flat ground and 200 feet slightly up hill. im 66, 64 then lets say. and lets say that WAS the last i will be doing that. before i started driving i rode a 10 speed to ITS death. many many miles for years.
I own Livewire 279 of the first 500 sold, got 1,400 miles on it (crappy weather or I'd have more) absolutely love it, no Issues. About my 30th Bike and my 6th Harley been riding for 42 years.
What career path did you take.
Saw your Army Ret. profile pic and had to say thank you for your service to a brother in arms from one vet to another. I wonder if you could answer a question for me. I’m looking to get another bike and want to do some long trips. Any suggestions on the bike I need to go with? I have to stay at $7000 and under. Fixed income can put a drag on life at times. Lol
What's up Ahab. That's cool you got a livewire.
Rollyone I would honestly rather drive a street glider or cruiser for 30k then this electric bike. Nothing can beat the sound of a loud harley
@Rollyone as a BMW C-Evolution owner, I don't think it's worth the price. The C-Evolution is considered expensive for a maxiscooter at 15400 euro in my country. But a comparable Yamaha Tmax TechMax (petrol, not electric) costs 14999. Even with petrol costing close to 1.80 euro a litre, I doubt you're going to reclaim that extra initial investment.
Ended up riding one of these at a Harley demo ride event, rode it last after a few other bikes throughout the day - I have to say even without it being on the fastest mode the acceleration was incredible. Felt much faster than any of the 114ci bikes, and was a ton of fun! Never thought I’d say that.
Is there a mode where it goes as slow as a normal Harley? Surely they wouldn't want to alienate their old owner base.
@@johncoops6897 no, it has different modes like rain, sport, highway, econ. Rain takes away around 60% of torque. By no means is it to alienate the customer base. Besides it's governor'd to go slower than a 107
Everything feels quick after riding a Hardley😂
@@blueberrywilbur315 - LOL, ain't that the truth.
@@johncoops6897 But but it has 100hp…..and weighs 800lbs 🤣
I dont understand why they didnt call it an, "Electric Glide"
Right. Either that or the Electro Glide
I've been calling it the Lithium Glide for a bit, but I think Electric Glide is a great one.
Same reason they didn’t call the Pan America the “dirt glide”
Maybe that model is coming in the future.
That would be a disgusting offense for the Glides.
“It should be an engine cycle” lol ! The fun you guys must have at that shop. All giggles I imagine.
Oh let me tell ya .;. i work on small engine (lawn mowers , chainsaws and such ) for a living . And i cant tell you how many people ive met that get all bent out of shape if you call it a motor .. Please ppl the term goes both ways . put your college English teacher cap away .
My two test rides on the Livewire left me with wishing I had an extra $30k sitting in my pocket. It was freaking awesome! I was going 100 mph before the salesman left the parking lot on the livewire he was riding.
Someone in the comments above said it would be good for slow riding only. The reason it's so expensive is because it's faster than a Banshee.
Yeah but the range on the electric bikes is horrible considering even heavy cruisers can get better range easily
@@joshuahoward332 the range is about the same as my KLX300SM. The difference is that I can refuel and continue riding. I always laugh at the range comments because most people don’t ride 100 miles at a time. When I was young and only had a motorcycle for transportation I rode 10 miles one way to work, and maybe 50 miles on a Saturday cruising Daytona Beach.
@@Dave-sw2dm I ride a 800 cruiser and with my larger fuel tank I’m able to go about 200 miles and honestly my cruiser bike is used for long curvy roads on the mountain sides where there is no electricity or power just the small gas station that supports the common phone charger which from the information I found, only way to charge this bike in under an hour is to you a stage 3 charger or a super charger. A regular outlet will take many ours to charge the bike.
@@joshuahoward332 , most people who buy an electric bike either have a short commute or add it to their stable of bikes. I’m sure those that bought the Livewire added it to their stable. I live on twisty roads and can do a 70 mile fun ride after work. Not having to stop for fuel would be nice. I just can’t justify the expense.
imagine having a channel about motorcycle's this large and not actually having any technical ability on one ?
keeps me up at night .
To be honest its looks like a great bike! The only thing i really miss is the sound! Its just such a big part of motorcycles..
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here's the solution
Agreed!
Sound and vibrations both
100% agree, think the sound of mine mayb the main reason I ride.
That electric "Tron" sound is cool in its own way.
Fun fact, I was talking to my dealer principal a few weeks ago, and he told me that the reason Harley Davidson is delivering these bikes to the house is because the Dealerships that want to sell these are being FORCED to buy a really expensive charging station. Since many dealerships are not making a lot of cash these days as compared to last few years, they are not interested in buying the charging station or Paying for electricity to not only charge the new bikes, but also charge the customers bikes, should they decide to stop by and charge their bikes. Plus, they don't see them being a huge sales item, so they don't want to invest in the charger.
Nobody I know what’s a toy electric scooter
i love how hes has a warehouse full of bikes meanwhile im watching with my helmet acting like im on a dirtbike
Those aren't leads, that a charge port. It's made for charging the battery, not the other way around. (plus there are communication lines the specifically engage the power rails)
It was a joke, Jon.
“Could we hook up a gasoline powered generator to this electric bike to charge it while riding?”
So a hybrid motorcycle
Idk why they don't do that. Like a U-Boat.
Volt concept motorcycle!!
Chevy Volt is exactly what that idea is. Unfortunately Chevy killed the concept.
Just put some pedals on it and be done with it
Technically a gas powered motorcycle because the motor is basically an alternator at that point 🤣🤣
Stick some playing carbs in the spokes so you remember your riding a motorcycle.
2 barrrel or 4 barrel?
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lmao
cards lol
To stop the flame wars.
Motors: run on electricity
Engines: run on combustion
I’ll see myself out.
My BMW R1250RS has a 3.0s 0-60. It's neither a superbike nor a supercar, just a big twin with lots of torque. The LW S1 needs 120v @ 15a to charge, and while your generator is rated for 16.2a sustained, voltage will initially drop to around 100v before the motor steps up -- it's that lag the LW's power controller doesn't like so it throws the red light and says no.
"If I break it, I have to buy it". Sounds like that's the only way they're going to sell these things.
They will sell heaps of them then, on the account Harley Davidson has a terrible reputation for breaking down especially the electric side of things.
@@blacksheep6888 I rode 3 of these, I've never had so much fun on a motorcycle, these things are torque MONSTERS! don't take my word for it, go demo ride one
@@stevegentry3563 harley davidson have been ripping people off for years, I was suckered for 20 years, I will never buy American crap again.
@@blacksheep6888 I ride an Indian Challenger ark Horse myself
@@stevegentry3563 i like Indian motorcycle's would love one, I ride a Kawasaki w800 Cafe
Range is terrible...
But I'm guessing HD riders just go from bar to bar.
Are you going to cry?
Range was terrible on the first Tesla too. But they've getting great now. Harley is the first mass production manufacturer to do this.
Don't talk to me about Zero. They're a hobby company. And they're not available most countries on the planet like a Harley or a Kawasaki, or even a Royal Enfield is.
So, they've gone out on a limb here, but they're the first.
@Troy Hatfield If zero is a hobby company how do they manage to make a better bike for half the price?
Harley is a joke in any niche of motorcycles.
@@whatsstefon People called Tesla a hobby company too.
@@IRLtrolls They dont, and any review worth its publishers weight that compares the Zero and the Livewire the Livewire comes out on top. Every time.
All the bois are just sore because Harley stepped away from the boomers in a drastic way, as they've groveled about for years, they just didn't do it the way they wanted Harley to do it and all the ice in Antarctica couldnt cool the butthurt. When the Pan-America and Bronx are released I fully expect to hear the same comments from the same talking heads that refuse to give the motor company a chance in hell, yet seem to have an opinion about everything they make and do.
10:35 when the camera guy realised there is a charging point 🤣🤣
bruh it was a joke. the whole point was to get it further than harley said. so they didnt want to charge
@@soulfly3438 they have so much satire in these videos, I love seeing the comments of people not getting the jokes.
I thought that Livewire is ugly, but the black one is beautiful.
Thanks for coming to Havre de Grace! Also, glad the cameraman pointed out one of the many charging stations here. Lol.
Jason, I was going to say the exact same thing! His “scenic shot” in Havre de Grace was at the David R. Craig Park where I have charged up before.
Oh, and he went up past the Conowingo Dam, where there is another ChargePoint station down at the waterside park.
30,000 grand, torture rack seating position, 90 mile range, sales=0
LOL yeah, I think the demo is the hipster city boys who buy Teslas. They know the typical HD rider aint switching from ICE to EV
I bet it does amazingly well. Charlie and Ewan are releasing a new long way up series using HD livewires.
Looks what happened with the BMW popularity off the back of the first 2 seasons
chris pearce crap speculation
It might be a crap speculation 🤷♂️ unless they shit all over the bikes the whole show, its bound to help sales though.
Having generators kind of defeats the whole point... I was wondering how they'd deal with the Range issues. Electrics not really suitable for touring yet. Day rides and commuting is their area at the moment.
@@silasmayes7954 no one cares, you'll find that out once you drive your big scooter around.
Bike: Has a dedicated software accessible from your android.
Hackers: Here I come.
Nah bro Harley figured that out 🤣 besides if they buy one of these their password is probably password...
A Harley that actually looks cool and high tech that isnt stupid loud. Too bad it's so expensive. 25% of the fost is the brand name.
Nice, no more revving every 3 seconds for the rider to let people know he’s got a Harley.
Hayes5oh Harley’s are so annoying
I actually do that on my bike because if I don’t when I go to take off my bike sputters 🤷♂️ but mine is a Kawasaki Vulcan
You guys probably also have you girl tuck you in and kiss you goodnight
@@mandrew20111 if you have carbs, clean them. sounds like a dirty jet
Overthinking yeah I’m thinking it’s because the person I bought it from put Vance and Hines exhaust on it and didn’t rejet it. I got the jet kit but haven’t taken it apart yet
3:13 HOLY CRAP!!!! A Harley Davidson that cant be reved!?! What on earth are they going to do while sitting at red lights now??? How will they stroke thier own ego!? This is a BIG problem in the Harley community!
contact me if you wana buy one from china really reasonable price.
They are gonna take that time to think how much chrome they can add on their bike
If you add an EV sound synthesizer, you will be able to rev that and pretend like you're a real man. You can even recreate gear shifting.
Just do what Harely riders do on South Park and makes the noises yourself.
@@jordanjimenez4475 way late but this comment had me choking my dinner .. hahaha
Why would you want to commute with this thing in the city when you can use an E-Bicycle instead? You don't need a license, registration, plates or inspection. Don't have to look for parking, can use dedicated bicycle paths, can blow through lights without much trouble. You will literally get to your destination twice as fast on an E-bicycle.
Because we love speed and the freedom that it offers, we love taking corners and pushing it to the limit, we love the wind we feel when going fast, and honestly e-bikes are just more environmentally friendly :) you could drive a bicycle and be boring or ride a motorcycle and live your life
@@xifpotsved That's exactly my point. Motorcycles are meant to be taken on journeys and twisty roads. Where in the city environment are you going to find an open, twisty road?
@ALCLCF Not really. To get totally clear of an urban area and on some good twisty roads, it takes at least 50 highway miles to get there first. If you spend your whole day there, that will be an additional 100+ miles. With an E-Motorcycle, you will not have enough range for that.
@@roybatty- all cities are not built the same lol in LA you can travel a dozen miles in any direction and find twisty roads because many hills surround that city
Not sure where you live that you can blow through red lights on a bike and not get ticketed. Whether you’re in the street or at a crosswalk you still have to obey the rules of the road.
Yeah you wont get any voltage at the 120vac plug because it goes through a rectifier and then becomes DC. Its good you didnt do what you were thinking of doing because you would have made a very loud boom or at the very least ruined the bike
I just checked the price here in Canada it will cost me $40,000 lol 😂
@Aman Mohajer it's a Harley, unless you buying used. I highly doubt the price drop.
@Aman Mohajer still wouldn't buy it :P
spaceman123 yes the price well still drop its like anything else the price well drop
RadioBlitz prolly bc u dont ride a bike ✌️
@@subarulegacy4203 not the reason, i think electric cars and electric motorcycles are stupid that's my opinion but yeah i dont ride yet sadly (being poor suck)
Ewan mcgregor and Charlie boorman just used some slightly customised version of these for their series Long way up, 13,000 miles
I'm sure they were prototypes and one of them didn't make it . Plus , it showed you can't charge them in the freezing cold
@@rabfallon4507 Norwegians have a lot of ecars so there must be a way.
Zero makes some incredible bikes! I bought a 2020 DSR for delivery work, and with what I save in gas, oil changes ($500-800/mo), the bike is free. FREE!But the performance... wow! I blow by everybody with 0-60 in 2.6. But not having to deal with clutching, engine noise, vibration...and nothing but pure speed is a game changer... especially for new riders! Range is the top question. The DSR for standard riding (ie fast as possible) is about 80 miles. But if you lay off the throttle, I have seen over 200 miles of displayed range. Charging time (for level 2) is 2 hours from dead. That equates (in real world trips) to a beer, joint and brief stroll down Twitter for your halfway point. For delivery work I average 5-6 hours of riding time. But the best part of an electric bike is not how fast you can go, but how SLOW. Especially for off road, you have power/torque and control that is insane. This review is great, but undersells how amazing the total experience really is. You have to adjust your life around the bike, and it's absolutely worth it. The project is very young, but I am starting ZeroRides.com from Malibu, CA for donation-based rides and multi day trips, including Hwy 33 that takes you over 7,000 feet! So yeah, get a Zero.
Miss the point! You claim you save on gas! But how much did your Electric bills go up?
@@ericcarter2020 good point. Still saves 75% of fuel costs at bottom end though :)
Beyond electric scooters, electric vehicles are largely impractical and uneconomic. However, I normally dislike Harleys, but this is an exception. Quite nice.
It's a really well built motorcycle
Why would anyone take a long trip on that lol, it takes literally 30 seconds to gas up. I don't want to wait hours for my vehicle to charge like it's a cell phone, I want to keep riding.
not loud and annoying
Fairs, but for cities this thing looks amazing! I live in London UK and polution here is a problem so it's great that more electric vehicles are being made.
🙏🙏🙏
I'd rather go with the Brammo/Victory Empulse R and save 25k
Agreed, but for commuters? Fantastic. No trips to the gas station, and it's not like they're gonna be riding for leisure unless they're revheads, so a 40 min stop every 2 hours or so is nothing too extraordinary. Most long haul trips I take I usually end up taking a break anyways at about that time to take a breath
I wonder if i can power my house with this battery 😆
I believe the Johammer J1 has that option.
He’s trying that with a $30,000 bike 😂
Totally could. Batteries are batteries. Just need an inverter from the DC port.
Probably
It definitely could but only for 10 mins maybe haha
2019 Zero FXS electric supermoto
The 2019 Zero FXS starts at just $8,495
Motor: 34 kW (46 hp) ZForce 75-5 air-cooled mid-drive motor
Torque: 106 Nm (78 lb-ft)
Top speed: 137 km/h (85 mph)
City Range: 161 km (100 mi)
Highway Range at 113 km/h (70 mph): 64 km (40 mi)
Battery: 7.2 kWh
Fuel Economy (city): 0.44 L/100 km (533 MPGe)
Fuel Economy (highway): 1.10 L/100 km (213 MPGe)
Typical Recharge Cost: $0.81
Charge time: 9 hours with 650W onboard charger, 4 hours with accessory charger, 2 hours with dual accessory chargers
Weight: 133 kg (293 lb)
Max load: 153 kg (337 lb)
Brakes: J-Juan hydraulic floating caliper with Bosch Gen 9 ABS
Suspension: Adjustable Showa with 178 mm (7 in) front and 227 mm (8.9 in) rear travel
Hard to drop $30K when there is already a city commuter at an exponentially lower cost from an already established electric motorcycle manufacturer.
So glad Harley made this bike!
It made me realize that I’d be ok getting a Zero instead
Your electrical knowledge hurts me watching this 😂😂
Same
0:49 "HD is the first big, large, motorcycle manufacturer to produce a fully electric motorcycle." I guess that's what HD put in their press blurb, and I don't blame you for it. But BMW has been selling the C-Evolution since 2014. And that's completely ignoring the different South-East Asia specific manufacturers who basically beat everyone to it by several years.
Now I know you're a HD fanboi, and that's fine. I also know you have basically no interest in scooters of any kind, and that's also fine. But HD is one of the late comers to the market for electric motorcycles. Brands like AGM, Kymco, Vespa, BMW, KTM, NIU, Energica, Lightning, Zero and the list goes on and on and on all handsomely beat HD to the market. And not by a matter of weeks, but by the better part of a decade.
If they are not American brands they do not exist to Americans...
The C evolution is a scooter lol
@@stephen2101 motorscooter. You need a motorcycle license for it.
Buy a ZERO. Done and done
Very hard on lithium batteries to run them to “zero”. Especially new ones.
I can guarantee you that "0" on your run time is not 0 on battery life. Any none potential fire bomb electronic device prevents over discharge by design.
Thanks!
Double the cost for half the range. Yep, it's a Harley.
Oh...and it's heavy.
so true
well someone has to start somewhere, because waiting for Jimmy down the road to come up with a cheaper and longer ride is taking forever.
@@jasonphoenix292 there already are cheaper and longer rides
@@barnyard_fab Zero brand bikes??? I can't think of any other big name electrics
Tesla Edison theres other lesser known brands that are a lot cheaper especially in the motocross world.
I guess finally a Harley that doesn’t leak oil and and does not wake up neighbors!
rob price ....I’m sure it will leak coolant, and brake fluid, tho....it IS a Harley, lol
@@jimhofoss9982 it is liquid cooled LOL so definitely possible!!
So unattractive to HD riders.
Being a Harley the most important question is, what range does it get on a trailer? 😜
If something isn't loose or had already fallen off its not a real Harley.
darthlively or leaked oil
@@lukeweesner4172
I heard their electric models will get an optional oil tank and several nozzles to drip oil in random places to make dyed in the wool Harley owners feel at home.
you know what, the motor on my XL is rock solid reliable... it's just everything else that's the problem :)
There's actually an electric trailer option coming next year.
I own this motorcycle in Perth, Western Australia. The looks on peoples faces when you whizz past or do a full throttle overtake (in silence) with Harley jacket on too, is always amusing... The bike is an assortment of high quality parts from other manufacturers put together with a Harley badge on... I LOVE IT. Trouble is - charging infrastructure is poor in Western Australia..
it's a great bike! I love mine as well
Their face when they pass you looking for a charging station has to be priceless and amusing as well.
HD: Hey anyone wanna buy a 30k electric motorcycle?
Everybody: Y’all hear sumn?
Only a low hmmmmm sound
@@spitfiremessiah237 underated comment
@@zacd2468 and then it zips passed you and you don’t know if it was a space bike or a mosquito that got into Ronnie Coleman’s steroid cycle.
@@spitfiremessiah237 Then later you pass by him cause he's out of electric charge and is stranded at a gas station.
Fist thing I check as soon as coffee starts to drip and I'm never disappointed!!! Excellent channel, great content and always clean!
When you pulled out your knife, my heart skipped a beat
I loveee this bike 😮 i hope they improve the range
Right on! I've thought about the motorcycle vs enginecycle thing many times. As you said, technically a motor is an electric propulsion device, while fuel or steam is an engine.
30,000? My wallet is crying already
@Mad Max Welcome home child
I would love to see a 6 month review from an owner of this bike. $30K is alot of money for a bike that appears to be targeted to the 25-35 crow.
I think it's so early for these that price doesn't even really factor in for the people buying it. The early adopter status makes it worth it alone probably, as it wasn't meant to be a value proposition to begin with, more of a Halo product
I could make my own that is electric for 5-6k with the same mileage. Must be shooting for the boomer crowd because nobody in the age of 20-35 is going to afford it.
Watch the long way up there’s your review 15000 miles from the bottom of South America to LA on prototypes
@@blaynearmstrong8772 a heavily modified Livewire with a complete backup team with spares and a diesel generator. Yes, the future..
@@mikebolton2388 and real bikers want the noise and power of the original. so I dont know who they really intend to sell this to. rich people who just want to say they have one.
Love the idea. The only thing about my bikes is that I like them to be loud simply because it feels safer when everyone knows where I am at all times.
I feel like in most cases the engine noise echos so much that I have no clue where the biker is anyway, till I can actually SEE them. Does it help? Maybe. But goldwings are extremely quiet and I don't think anyone would call those more unsafe than anything else.
I wouldn’t mind having one here in the UK but the price is just ridiculous
Well you need to pay for the ceo to have his jet and 3 ex wifes. Duh.
No electric vehicle rebate in the UK either.
There are Zero dealers in the UK.
He must have bought the bike, because there are like 19 ads for this vid.
😂😂😂😂
Theirs 5
I havnt got a single one hahah
No ads if you use adblock
10:38 im guessing he knew there was a charging station behind him.
The charging station at 10:40 was a riot!
bro you have me rolling over here... "and it fires up super... wait it doesnt fire up...." lmao im dead
I say the zero company is a lot better they where the first ones to make a full size w dirtbike and e sportbike
Edit;plus there are way more e bike company's that are way cheaper than harly
34_jdm _ I love the styling of this Harley, but I agree, not in a million years would I pay the asking price.
34_jdm _ yes someone that knows something harley is outrageously overpriced
Nope not in a million years would I pay $30 grand for that. Harley needs to wake up and adjust the price on all there vehicals.
Not to mention zero has better range for literally half the price. lol
plus better range
I’m a fan of combustion engines, but I rode one of these demos in Daytona. It’s the most well planted, fastest accelerating machines I’ve ever ridden. It scared me that it didn’t scare me. Over priced for me and I don’t like having limited range, but an excellent experience nonetheless. Another good example of Harley waiting a long time to copy someone else’s innovation and selling something fun to ride.
You not a biker butt head
They Should put a Clutch and Gear's in it, At least a Low gear a with a High Gear, now other Gears maybe, I Don't Know ! ! !
Wow, Harley-Davidson actually made a good bike. For a while now, their entire business strategy has been "loud, underpowered, chrome-y, embarrassing". Good for them.
Lay off the soy why don’t you?
Actually the LS-218 is more expensive. It's the fastest electric bike. It IS a sport bike though, and you seem to mostly deal in street, touring, and other more American style bikes.
You should try one out, its 0-60 is terrifyingly fast. Easy way to accidentally turn your seat brown.
He does do some sports bikes, infact he has an old race bike in the office he used to run at tracks, plus I think he owns a high mileage Concours 14.
But I dont think he knows much about electric bikes in general.
Joey Potato in 0 seconds
They're very, very hard to find. I've never found proof of more than 4 actually existing.
So traveling on a livewire is like doing a trip on a Sportster. Stopping every 100ish miles but longer on stops.
I push my Sportster to 150 ish then I start getting nervous lol
120ish
This is the first electric vehicle that I actually kinda like
BOB, hey man want to go for a ride later?
JOHN, no sorry my Harleys updating.
BOB, ok ya mine needs to charge anyways !
JOHN , later dude.
GOBBLESS
Just charge it like your phone befoere going to bed, then it wont run out of battery the next day. Looks like ur phone or pc are updating all the time lol, must have some sad memories!
Harley should create a long haul trailer with batteries in it to extend the range...100miles is kind of a joke for a 30,000 dollar bike...
u ever heard of a charging station? if its anything like a tesla it will have fast charge charging fully very fast. personally i think spare and interchangeable batteries would be better.
The thing is unless there is a great break through in battery technology you can't tack anymore energy in that battery pack. The pack is already very huge. Plus Li-Ion batteries degrade overtime.
The more weight you carry the faster you reduce the range, that's why cars don't just have a fuel tank that takes up most of the vehicle, even just doubling the tank size can have a terrible effect on overall range. Electric vehicles are the same, there is an optimum configuration. Otherwise big lorries/trucks would not be needed.
Who rides more than 100 miles per day?
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k Gas weighs 6 lbs/gal. Doubling a 15 gallon gas tank would add another 90 lbs. That's an inconsequential amount of weight when it comes to fuel economy. It would make zero difference, and gas tanks don't have to be filled all the way. Even if gas was super heavy, I'd take a 2x bigger tank any day. You'd only need to fill it half way, unless you were going on a trip and needed the full 30 gallons.
They're novel and probably be more common in 10yrs, but the range is deal killer for me. I wouldn't even be able to commute to work with it. Very little support for elex vehicles in our area.
Same here
You drive 140 miles one way to work?
Outblade 5 to 6 hours of commute aren’t all that common, so for most people this is a practical motorcycle
@@Boldswords11 I thought that it barely went over 100 miles and that was with actively changing the configuration into an ultra eco mode and a brand new battery. By the look of the video, if kept in more a power mode, I would be surprised if it went 80 miles. Plus, put a few hundred recharge cycles on the batter in the first year or two and suddenly a 35-40 mile commute each way (which is common for many) and you are running into range problems.
@@Boldswords11 my daily commute is about 108mi round trip, and zero charging stations at work. The bike in the video barely made 110mi in ECO mode, unless I missed something. 110mi. Arguably, most gas powered bikes have about the same range, but I can refill one of those anywhere and be on my way in 5min.
Respect to Host and Channel 👍🇨🇦
I'm really surprised how quickly he wrote off zero "there's just no dealers around me so..." Scared to actually compared them bc he knows zero would wipe the floor with Harley's EV at half the price
Lightning P218 will wax them both
Sorry but this dude has the correct answer ^^^^
HD is a better product with better support. And it’s 25k OTD average selling price. You know nothing.
@@blackkitty1774 The Livewire is a very refined bike with absolutely perfect computer controls, and suspension. It's the best electric bike, but too expensive.
The zero is more of a toy. It's not really a full sized, full feature, adult bike. Plus the fact that zero wants their bikes in a landfill instead of being fixed, so you buy a new one, so they don't make it easy to fix.
I am from zambia Africa and i watch your videos every time. I really admire how you are able to get cheap bikes and get it within minutes for low cost. I pray and wish i could have one. And thanx for the prayers and verses, they are really uplifting and remind me or who is in charge.
I love africa and black african women they are so sexy
Me and my brother enjoy watching your show. Specially you involving God in everything you do.
To me that's my favourite part of this channel.
Ohh I like the bikes as well.
The re-gen doesn't let you coast while breaking will still re-energize your battery. 👍
Fully discharging batterys is extremely bad for the battery life
I'm pretty sure Lithium batteries don't experience this. Lead Acid batteries do, but im not 100% on Lithiums.
@Mike King yes, from datasheet you can read, you can discharge cells to about 2.5V, but from 3,2 to 2,5V is almost no energy, so probably controller cut off at about 3,2-3,3V per cell to protect it, if you can program controller to cut off lower you will get maybe 10% more range and you will kill battery a lot faster
No modern electronic let their battery completely discharged. Everybody knows that hence no company let you drain your battery completely.
I was a expecting a kind of Chopper driving stance or at least, like Benelli 502C. This Harley-Davidson costs 36.000 euros with legal expenses, in Europe. And is smiliar to the Energica Ego that costs 5k less.
Nobody:
The Bikes and Beards channel:makes a electric motorcycle with a generator to a non-electric motorcycle ;)
I'm 16 minutes and 6 seconds into the video.
I very very rarely post comments in videos butttttt when you grab that generator and hoisted it up to the back of the motorcycle I laughed so hard I cried.
THANK YOU.
Now I am totally obligated to watching the rest of this video but I have to stop laughing first.
Ps. The look on your face at exactly 16:06 explains it all.😳
" like your buddy shot it with a shotgun or something like that" 👀😜
"The big question I have is, can we use this giant battery....as a battery...."
*moments later he connects inverter* "Ok now this is weird, it just started leaking oil..."
everyone else: what’s the cheapest bike i can buy
shaun: let me make a gamble with a $30,000 bike
Zero Gives the cheapest bike i can buy is a plastic little toy bike from the dollar store
So yeah, not gambling unless you do something dangerous.
Yeah I built my own Chinese electric motorcycle. The Inja did a video about his and the problem and then documented his built to a 8kw motor hub and 120ah battery. Pretty cool stuff.
TheFlatEarthChannel.com this man knows what’s up
contact me if you wana buy one from china really reasonable price.
That’s true...the Inja’s battery was 132ah not 120
Curt MacNeill he told me he put 3x 40ah batteries, I asked him directly. You can see my comment on his Instagram.
You’re pretty close, I was just messing, haha. I helped him build it, and it was 3 that were all just over 44ah each
09:50
Ebike user here: just don't go faster than 30mph and you'll get there.
I’m i the only one who is annoyed by the blinkers. Why aren’t they like the Audi flow.
I just don't like blinkers that are always partially lit up. Thankfully that doesn't seem to be a requirement here.
7:30 - I was almost about to congratulate you on being the proud owner of that electric motorcycle.
I don’t know if I could ride without the sound of pipes lol.
You'll be able to add sound probably... there's companies that make exhaust note amps for Teslas.
It's dangerous. No car will hear you and not know you are in their blind spot
@@corymartin5573 I never hear a Harley in by blindspot either. I don't hear them until their next to my door.
@@kalel33 they have horrible pipes
The DC voltage will only get to the combo connector after authentication between DC station and bike. No DC anywhere in the home AC cable, it's just the AC from your outlet, the little box is only for safety check & com with the bike. The actual AC/DC conversion happens in the on-board charger which isn't that easy to access.Some vehicles have vehicle-to-load (V2L) and even vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) capabilities from the factory, but it's pretty dangerous to jury-rig yourself.
If EV motors weren't disabled while plugged, the life expectancy of a charging station would be a few days (less of a problem with bikes, though)
Things like this get me really excited about what's to come in the near future. I'm glad Harley jumped on the electrification train, and didn't let the future leave them in the past. The price will eventually come down I'm sure, but as it is right now, I can't see this being anything more than a "Hey look at me, I have a super expensive electric Harley" flex. $8000 just to replace a motorcycle battery..........nope! For the most part I tend to shy away from V-1.0 items. Wait until V-2.0 hits, and by then the kinks would mostly be ironed out, and the price is more feasible.......sometimes.
"If you break it you have to buy it" That's pretty much a guaranteed sale with a Harley.
HD: "we're bleeding cash and cant get young riders into dealers, what do we do?"
ALSO HD: "quick, build a 30,000 dollar electric bike with horrible range"
HD: "That's genius, this is whats going to save us"
Sorry, love your channel, but this was the most idiotic, tone def thing HD could have done. People are barely buying the bikes that make HD iconic because their overpriced. No one is going to buy an overpriced Harley WITHOUT the things you normally buy a Harley for (the rumble, feel, look, heritage, etc). If only Harley had, In their corporate fold, a sport bike, or multiple sport bikes, that were reasonably priced and appealed to a younger demographic, wouldn't that be something?
Not hating you at all, great channel, I just came here from a documentary on Buell and the fiasco that it was so I'm fresh with hate for HD.
A big bike for 10k. Thats what people want.
@NoNoNoNii A 700cc or so v-twin sportbike would be the dream.
I'm not a fan of Harley, but I do applaud what they are doing in this space. Somebody has to be the innovator and to iterate designs before they become mass market. BTW I'm a new biker and my first bike will probably be a Zero electric bike. They really will be a game changer.
@@balazsnagy5781 panigale 959 is the closest I can think lol
bruce davidson close enough
I would say that to have some regeneration you need more speed than what the treadmill gives.
I like how adding the generator just makes it a gas powered vehicle, making the electric aspect of the vehicle completely superfluous 😂
The acceleration and instant tourqe sets the ev apart from the internal combustion bike. Charging it with a gas generator is the equivalent of storing the electricity in the motorcycle and releasing it on demand.
"plug-in hybrid" makes sense for cars, but motos?
The clickbait is actually really well used. Clever.
It's not mildly deceiving and actually has money on the line
Him trying to use the multimeter to measure the voltage was cringe.
Scary isn't it?...someone who doesn't have a clue, trying to hack into something, when he has no idea what he's doing.
ikr i laughed when he said he was going to measure the charging port
Yeah it was a joke.
Seriously hope it was all a joke. Cutting charge cables to test if you can use it as a $30k battery pack? Stupid
That zoom in made me laugh a lot.
Harley : we gonna make bikes that does 0 emissions.
Him : aiight bois , now we gonna strap this portable diesel generator to the back of this bad boi. It's the future
That new Harley sound, WOW! 😂😂😂
Great vids man keep up great job provide such happiness even in such distressing situation....👌👌👌
BTW you should make a learning stunts video....anyways vid ideas are pretty limited now so might as well and it would be a pretty lovely vid entertaining as well...