I bought the Finis Smart Goggle about 18 months ago and my friend bought the Form. After about 10 months they both had problems with battery charging. Both companies. replaced the goggles free of charge. For me the advantage of the Finis is the fact that you can replace the goggle without replacing the electronic viewing chip. This allows you to change goggles in different visibilities OR if one pair gets scratched you don't have to replace the whole unit (just the goggle for $35). ALSO the Finis tracks stroke rate which the Form does not. The biggest advantage of the Form is the heart rate monitor. In running and cycling I rely heavily on "real time" heart rate monitoring. It's nice to have that feature for swimming too. The Finis does not track heart rate. ALSO the Form is a little more "high tech" because it is a true heads-up display. The Finis is a magnified fish eye lens so you have to glance to the left to view the metrics whereas the Form is in front of you the whole time (which can be distracting). Both goggles count laps very accurately. Both goggles give split times (fairly accurately), running times, "set" times and clock time. The Finis identifies what stroke or kicking you are doing. I am not sure if Form has this feature.
Yep, the Form goggles has really good stroke detection. I agree with your comment. You’ve summed it up really nicely here. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I can tell you that the stroke rate for a professional swimmer like me is a game changer! Doing a set and have all this information is something precious, even more if you train alone or in a huge group where your coach can’t give you much attention 🤘🏻
Thanks for your comparison, Matt. So timely. I've used Form for a year and last night met the guys who invented the CIYE technology. What I love about smart goggles is that it's a great tool for swimming alone when you're not with a Masters team -- esp during Covid when swimming alone was the only option. Form goggles make me work harder (when I choose to) and the stats are incredible. I can even download the data to an excel doc. What I don't love about Form is the flat front of the lens. When you are looking forward -- esp when sharing a lane -- my exhaled bubbles go right up the front of the goggle limiting my view. And peripheral vision on the Form is non-existent. It was really great when Form added open water and I like seeing my stroke count and distance when OWS. I'm curious about the Finis goggles and your review has me intrigued. Hmm, does it makes sense to use Finis for my pool swims and Form for my SF Bay swims? Thanks again!
Yeah, it could make sense to use both like that. There are a good bit of limitations to the tech on the Finis side but fit and visibility is a lot better. Although, if you’re able to swim masters now, maybe just go with a basic good fitting goggle? Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Thanks for your feedback, JP. Great to hear you love our stats and functionality. While we've noted your feedback on the goggles design and field of view. It goes without saying that if you're comfortable, you should #swimwithform in all environments! :D
I agree with you. There are things that I REALLY love about the Form goggles. I use them for my Masters swimming as well. I am not sure I will ever be able to go back to counting laps (ha). The ONE thing that is really intriguing about the Finis Goggles, for me, is the ability to swap out a new set of goggles for 35 bucks. Goggles wear out, they don't last forever. I am about 2 years into my pair, and I don't know how long they are going to last. I don't know what I am going to do for my next pair.
I didn't really do a good job of diving into what Smart Goggles are and what they're used for on this video but I have talked a bit more about it in a few other videos on here. I probably should have done that. Thank you for watching Richie! 👍
Yeah, that's a cool feature. Keep in mind that the stroke rate isn't real time. You'll get that metric updated after each length if I'm not mistaken. Thanks Flower Bunny!
I have the Form goggles. I got them Dec 2019. Haven't been swimming them as much as I like. I wear a Garmin watch also. Nothing beats seeing your metrics as yo swim. I think they're great for self couching.
Great feedback Shaun! I think comments like this help others figure out what’s going to be helpful! Thanks for taking the time to watch and let’s us know how it’s worked for you. 👍
Thank you for your feedback, Shaun. We're happy to hear you like the goggles. Please let us know if you have any other questions about our goggles or need any assistance as we'd be happy to share more information!
For somebody who trains alone, the Form goggle are absolute game changers!!!! They pick up all my strokes, counts, lap times and distance teaching is by FAR more accurate than any watch! Best buy for any swimmer!
I'm not a huge fan of the fit on the Form goggles but I agree, they do better at picking up strokes and lap distance than anything else on the market. Crazy. And their mobile app is impressive as well. Thanks for your feedback Daniel! 👌
Yeah, no problem Mateusz. Swimming does seem to get the same amount of clicks and views but it’s still cool to see companies innovating in this space! Or maybe I just need to find some groups to share this content with. 🤷🏻♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand Swimming related topics I'd love to see covered (to give you an inspiration:)): 1. Phlex EDGE 2. The best way to get accurate HR undwerwater? Wrist oHR vs Polar Versity Sense (on the temple, but potentially it can be worn on the wrist, close to the watch), HRM Swim (does it fall off when you push off the wall?)
Looks like this technology is still developing at the most basic level. 2 years after this video was made the price has gone up $50 but the design hasn’t changed. If I have on a pair of goggles of any cost, the last thing I need is a problem with leaking. That’s a deal breaker at any cost and certainly when the leaking impedes looking at the graphics. Excellent video with a great host.
Thank you so much. I still have access to these goggles but tend to wear my Magic5 goggles. The fit is really important. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I don’t think I’ve ever been accused of being right to the point in my videos 😆 Thanks for checking out the video White Car. Keep me posted about what you think when you used them a bit. 👌
The showdown! Very awesome! I like the fact that the goggle on the Finis can be changed out, but the option to switch eyes is a a big win for the Form. The form has a little bit of a functional edge too..I would guess Form is primed for a V2 in the next year, and a $125 - $150 price point would be a pretty solid value (wishful thinking I'm sure). $200+ definitely place both models lower on the priority list for most amateurs, a nice to have but not a game changer.
Yeah, that's a good point about them being due for a V2. I think that's the product that I'd get excited about but who knows. That company is pretty innovative when it comes to updates on the existing hardware but we'll see. BTW, are we going to have a virtual drink when you hit 10k? 🙌
@@mlegrand Definitely lol. The next week or two have been long awaited at work a ton of projects are coming to fruition and I can settle back into a normal routine. TH-cam is always the first thing dropped when things get busy, stupid adulting 🤣
Thanks for the comment, @@EverythingIsPhotogenic. As Matt says, we're constantly innovating and thinking about what's next. All we can say is, watch this space and stay tuned. :D
Thanks for this great review 2 years I am looking at buying this purely because my Apple Watch nor any garmin does not give me realtime alerts on my stroke count per pool interval. If purely looking for stroke count, stroke rate and time per lap which one would you recommend?
Both of these options are good. Personally, I think I like the fit of the Finis goggles but the tech on the FORM goggles. I have another smart goggle video dropping in about 2 days that also might help with the decision.
What about optical lenses? I wear the Sporti S2 Optical -3. I am nearsighted. My first open water race I suddenly realized that I couldn’t see anything to navigate and had to follow another swimmer. Then I found optical goggles and that seeing at a distance problem was solved.
hi Matt, I did order the Polar Verity Sense but I found the third option in Smart googles can I ask you to Review that ? yes it is bulky but correct price (no fees) and looks like a basic swimmers option.. Yes you are more in triathlon but I like your presentation and the details thx uppd just got an answer from Form (quick respond, nice ) and in short from my point there business plan is not to my style just keep it like that.
Sorry for the late reply, this got flagged as spam for some reason by TH-cam. I agree that I'm not the biggest fan of Form's business plan. What was the third Smart goggle option?
I'm thinking about getting a pair of smart goggles for pacing and distance (I swim long workouts). I got a Garmin watch recently, and I'm finding it's inaccurate for me. I also wear corrective lenses, so I currently swim with Speedo Vanquisher optical goggles in my prescription. Do you find that both of these goggles are accurate for distance and pacing? What about if you require corrective lenses?
There are no options for prescription lenses with the smart goggles as far as I'm aware at this time. I almost always recommend the Vanquishers for people who require corrective lenses. They are a good option. Most of these devices aren't going to be perfect 100% of the time. They tend to do better if you don't mix up your stroke and you keep a steady rhythm. I have been pretty impressed with the stroke detection of the Form Swim Goggles. Might be interesting to consider. I really do wish you could try mine to see what you think for a few swims. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Im not sure if I just never noticed or if its new but I like the way you have your name on the Swim Bike Run Rinse Repeat logo at the beginning of the video. I really enjoyed this review. I would not be able to use the Finis goggle at all, its too bad that Finis didn't take into account folks with monocular vision. I do have a pair of the Form goggles. They are great for OWS and not having to look and your watch to figure out how far you've gone. The one thing I don't like about them is that you can't adjust the display at all. Like it would be nice to be able to move the actual projected display up or down within the goggle. Again for me, with only vision in 1 eye, it makes it difficult to see past the display when you are swimming with them. Because of this I was really unable to wear them in a pool setting. Anyway, as always another great review! THANKS!~
Great feedback Nikole. I know that the Form Swim team reads these comments so that'll help them with future developments of the product. Thanks for the compliments on the logo! 👍
Hi, Nikole - thanks for this feedback. We really appreciate hearing about all the different use cases with our product, such as yours. We have provided this feedback about being able to adjust the display to our engineering team. All the best, and happy swimming!
I don’t think the Finis works in open water. The Form swim goggles can pull up distance from your Apple or Garmin watch. Unless Finis has changed something recently.
@Matt LeGrand, when you tested the Finis in open water. You were able to see total time right? Does the timer stop automatically when you stop swimming in open water? (Resting in between open water intervals). Or at least do you have the option to manually pause the timer with the button? In that case, I’d be very interested in trying the Finis.. (I bought the Form goggles in 2020, but the display broke down and doesn’t work anymore. And since it doesn’t have warranty anymore, Form is telling me that I need to buy a new pair.. 🙁)
I’m not 100% sure but I think the Form can show DPS and the Finis can not but then you would get all of that in the post workout details on both devices. 🤔
I’m nuero divergent and they help me keep track of my laps more accurately then my garmin or iwatch. I prefer form goggles and mine have been amazing over the 18 months that I’ve had mine.
@@mlegrand some fogging but the same I’ve had with any other goggles since I started swimming competitively when I was little. So nothing to write home about. I used to go through goggles like crazy. I’ve never owned a pair this long.
@@BLPunkGirl - that’s great feedback. I’ve been concerned that these would wear out in 6-8 months of heavy usage and it’s a pretty high price to replace them. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Hi @matt and everyone else here, does anyone know if the form Google's require you to be using your watch to track as well, or do they do the tracking entirely themselves? I ask as I like using my finis bone conductor headphones to like to audio or music, but that means on my Garmin I can't track the swim. It's a real PITA as I swim faster and longer with my headset, but I can't track it. Unless I buy another watch which sounds exxy. Would love some insight from what you know!
I’m a bit confused. The Garmin can’t track your swim because it’s sending music to the Finis headphones? Sounds like something I need to make a video about! Yes, these goggles will track lap swimming and distance without a watch or smartphone and then sync it to the smartphone afterwards. If you’re open water swimming, these goggles require the GPS of a Garmin or Apple Watch to be connected. Let me know what you find out as you continue to figure this stuff out. I’ve been wanting to explore swimming headphones for a while. 👍
You are confused. The finis bone conduction is an mp3 player. The watch can track any swim but in open water provides gps location to the form goggles. No goggles needs a watch for pool swimming. Your mp3 player doesn't need a watch or goggles.
I use Garmin Swim 2 as my workhorse but I am 62 years and for some health issues... my doctor told me to reduce my training load (fin swimmer 2-4km per workout). I recently started to use Monofin and I badly need to see my HR (yes I know third party..) My 25m are around 17 sec on my training monofins, is that a problem for leaks for Form googles... does anyone know ? I use +2 in my swimming googles so looking at the watch will be hard.... uhh but from my point HR and pace is more important...
My 25 times are similar to yours and for me, it's the push off on swim turns and dives that really kills the Form goggles. (Or makes them leak) The only way to know for sure is to try them. To see HR data, it's probably best to have the Form Goggles and the Polar Verity Sense. That's kind of a lot of equipment to get it working. It's hard to know if it'll be worth it. Best of luck and let me know how it goes!
@@mlegrand Big thanks, yes I was thinking about the Form and Verity Sense. On my Core Silicon fins (50cm) that I can abuse on the flips just like the small DCM in freestyle my flip turn are among the quickest in the pool ( 65KG). I got in order Fiberglass Pro (70cm, 3 month waiting time, sniff). In fact I am really struggling here...........hmm, will I buy the set just for my apnea training.. we will see. P.S. on ordinary day I train only by HR like the fat burning zone or apnea sprint or apnea 50m with one exception I do not like to get overtaken by some even 40 years younger person on next lane.... silly YES but my doctor never sees that.. some things never change... ough
Yes, I typically do flip turns but they should still work with open turns. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Thank you for your question! The FORM goggles track open and flip turns. If you have any other questions, please let us know and we will be happy to answer them for you.
They are pretty accurate as long as your swimming normally and not doing some sort of kick or drill set. The splits try to be real time but there is a bit of a delay. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
We certainly pride ourselves on our accuracy, through the proprietary algorithm development and machine learning methods that we have created and employed in the product - we developed these methods and programs internally, and are constantly learning and improving too. Furthermore, with the fact that the metrics are displayed right in front of you, there's nowhere for us to hide with regards to surfacing inaccurate metrics, which you might get away with if you're tracking your swims with another device or watch that you can't see the display of, while you swim. Please let us know if you have any other questions about our goggles as we'd be happy to share more information!
As far as lap counting goes I was blown away by how accurate my Finis was. I would say that over. the months of about 5000 laps it only missed a lap maybe 4 or 5 times and only when I was kicking.
It would be great to implement (visually since there is no beeper) finis tempo trainer modes in such google - you can train not only pace but cadence as well.
Oh good point! I use a tempo trainer some times and it'd be great to integrate that simple tech into smart goggles. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Only for open water swimming. Otherwise it uses the distance of the pool. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍.
Matt is right! The goggles work great in the pool on their own. They track and display your metrics (including stroke rate, stroke count, distance, number of lengths, distance per stroke, pace, and more). You can also use the goggles on their own in open water too. This lets you track your time and real-time stroke rate while you swim. You would also be able to review your average stroke rate and calories in the workout summary after you saved your swim. To see real-time distance and pace metrics in open water, a compatible Garmin or Apple Watch can be connected to the goggles. In both the pool and open water, you can connect a Polar Verity Sense, OH1/OH1 + heart rate sensor to monitor your heart rate in real-time. Please let us know if you have any other questions about our goggles as we'd be happy to share more information!
I would look directly at the Form Swim goggle website for buying info. Also, double check the links in the description. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Yeah, that's a huge issue. This video might have been made before FORM implemented that membership. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Yes! Some of that has changed since the making of this video. But that’s a great point. I do have a video about the Form 2 features on this channel here somewhere. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Nice thorough review, Matt! I have the Form goggles too, but have only used ‘em a few times so far. Based off your points it sounds like the Form goggles have the slight edge, at least in my opinion and for my needs. But it’s definitely cool to see tech like this from both companies. Just pricey lol! 🤑
@@mlegrand no prob! And I haven't reviewed them yet - I've only used them a few times in my community's small-ish pool. Need to get back to the gym lap pool and test it out more before I put out the review!
@@JeremyTri Awesome to hear, Jeremy. Please let us know if you have any other questions about our goggles or need any assistance as we'd be happy to share more information!
“Qwayd” I guess I’ll take it 😁😁 was going for “quad” like “quadcopter”.. but never mind that, very excited for this review finally! And I can’t wait to get those goggles in the pool! Also my current go to is the Roka R1!!
FORM just got a lot more expensive. Even though I am grandfathered in, curious about the other options as FORM seems to be going a direction I refuse to participate in.
Yeah, the Finis is really the only other option. I do think the Form goggles are a bit better in a lot of ways. And I agree, I don't like seeing them head in this direction. 😬
Well, I don't think these are a requirement for weight loss training but it could help you keep track of distance when swimming. Hope you're making progress and best of luck with the weight loss goals!
@@mlegrand sorry i ment to say how do form goggle fit when working out? I'm not the best swimmer and don't expect to do kick offs the wall would they still have issues sliding down causing leakage
@@lamonz4227 - I don't think you'd have as much issues if you don't push off the wall hard but if you get these goggles it'll be worth brining all of the different nose bridge options to the pool deck to try. Best of luck King Monz!
@@lamonz4227 You can absolutely use the goggles when pushing off the wall. As Matt said, we recommend trying all nose bridge sizes and adjusting the strap to find the right fit for you. We also have a 45-day return policy if you want to try them out. Please let us know if you have any other questions about our goggles as we'd be happy to share more information!
That's a good point. I should have mentioned heart rate display which is actually big. Polar makes the Verity Sense. It used to be called OH1+ and you might be able to get the older one at a better price. It's a great device and very accurate compared to most optical heart rate monitors. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
How can you call them expensive? Inventing technology, waterproofing it, and bringing it to production is truly amazing. Ask any HW manufacturer, profit margins in product are insanely marginal. I think their price is more than legit
Good point. I still think it's fair to call a $200 pair of goggles 'expensive'. Even the same people inventing this technology have agreed that it is an expensive, high-end product.
@@mlegrand high-end, I'll give you, but I'd bet their profit margins are tiny. Are there any in-app subscriptions/upgrades available or is it all free and accessible after purchase?
@@aharonq - The Form swim goggles have in goggle heads up display workouts that are part of a subscription model. Here are some more details on that: www.formswim.com/products/smart-swim-goggles
Lucid cars are expensive. They are probably losing money making them so in your eyes they must be a steal. The European space agency charging a lot more than SpaceX to launch satellites is not expensive too then because their costs are just higher. Smart googles are 10x the price of dumb ones. To some, the value of the data is not worth that much, to some it is ok. Hopefully with time, they recover the initial development cost and unit prices go down to where people wouldn't be calling these expensive.
I was disappointed by the very limited field of view with the Form goggles. The big depth tends to restrict peripheral vision (including in front of you - i.e. the end of the pool seems to appear out of nowhere).
Dammit, Matt. I watch your channel so you can give me definitive answers on what's best for me. lol I think this is an interesting tech niche. If Form can figure a way to get its display tech into a slimmer, replaceable goggle, their offering would become the BluRay to Finis' HD-DVD. Truth told, though, I don't think I'd ever end up with any. I love my Tyr SpecOps goggles, which are at the high end of what I like spending on goggles. Great video, and great comparison review.
Ha, love that analogy! Thanks for your thoughts. We're not wanting to take you away from your beloved TYR's, but if you do ever feel the need to see your real-time swim metrics, we'd like to think we're able to deliver on your expectations out of a pair of smart swim goggles. As always, if you have any other questions about our goggles please let us know as we'd be happy to share more information!
@@FORMswim I am sitting on the fence. I have almost purchased the Finis twice now only because they are interchangeable; but in saying that Form has the reviews and market approval that the new Finis do not have yet. I am not sold on the shape/intrusion of the Form but the tech and specs are spot on
If you are near-sighted and have to wear contacts to see anything further then 5 feet away, you will not be able to see the screen inside the Form goggles. I tried the Form goggles, and found them unusable. Yes they leak, they feel huge compared to my Speedo and Roka goggles, the fog proof coating lasted about five minutes, and I could not read the screen while wearing contacts. I could however read the screen without contacts, but then I couldn't see anything else, it is kind of important to be able to see where you are going. They do not have any plans right now to have prescription goggles. Side note, the price is way too high.
Yeah, $200 is a lot for goggles. Still, it’s super good to get your feedback on these goggles. I am sure a lot of near-sighted athletes have the exact same questions. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
That's really interesting that you can't see the screen with contacts. I would almost expect the reverse effect for people with myopia.. Do you need reading glasses? Or perhaps find that reading is becoming more difficult/ needing to keep things further away? I don't think there's anything endemic to the HUD that would create an issue, especially considering the proximity should favor nearsighted users. Have you asked your ophthalmologist about it? Prescriptions aren't usually tailored to a focal point that close. Prescription goggles could certainly be a solution but it adds the hassle of having glasses on deck or contacts in your bag. Leaking of course is it's own issue, if they could cut the drag, that would probably put them on terms with most other goggles. Could they shift the computer unit and drag along the temple that could be taken up with the natural shape of the head or swim cap. I think they were a good first pass, but I would like to see a big leap forward in a V2.
@@EverythingIsPhotogenic No I do not need reading glasses as anything within a foot I can read fine. Anything further than a foot, is blurry and cannot see it. Even typing this out, my computer screen, which is just about two feet away, I have to use glasses to read what I am typing. So glasses are currently required to see anything at a distance. The problem when I wear contacts, I cannot read anything within a foot. I have to keep things at an arms reach to be able to read it. The contacts I wear, they are not multifocal contacts, just standard ones that allow me to see at distance. I can get free contact lenses through my insurance, but not the multifocal ones. So unless I pay for the multifocal ones, I stick with the standard contacts. Glad you are back uploading videos, and good luck with the 100 mile Ride for Roswell.
@@Crymerge ah that makes sense, what a racket with insurance right? Just let you get the lenses you need! Hopefully some of these goggle companies will get on board with Rx lenses soon! And thank you very much 🙏
@@Crymerge Thanks for the feedback, Corey. As you likely know from talking with our support team, our goggles were made to be used by as many people as possible. The display is designed so you don’t have to adjust your focus away from your surroundings to read it. Here's where we stand with our current version of the goggles. If you are far-sighted (hyperopia/presbyopia), meaning you can see distant objects clearly, then you should be able to see the display in our goggles well. This includes people that use reading glasses. If you are near-sighted (myopia), meaning you can see nearby objects clearly but distant objects are blurry, then your ability to see the display may be affected. If you are comfortable in the pool without corrective lenses it is likely you'll be able to see the display in our goggles. However, if you need corrective lenses normally when you swim, then it's likely you will need them to see the display. We do not have any plans currently to provide a prescription version of the goggles. Other conditions such as astigmatism, glaucoma, macular degeneration, etc. may affect your ability to see the display. The goggles are reversible, so you can try both eyes if one has better vision than the other. As always, if you have any other questions about our goggles as we'd be happy to share more information! Thanks
Darn it. I didn’t win any smart goggles. Lol. Thank goodness I’ve gotten into contacts so smart goggles are less important to me now. That being said, I think the smart goggles are genius. Thanks for your video and opinions!
Please do not gesture so much with your hands while you speak. Especially if you're holding the thing you're talking about. It's quite distracting. Thanks!
I bought the Finis Smart Goggle about 18 months ago and my friend bought the Form. After about 10 months they both had problems with battery charging. Both companies. replaced the goggles free of charge. For me the advantage of the Finis is the fact that you can replace the goggle without replacing the electronic viewing chip. This allows you to change goggles in different visibilities OR if one pair gets scratched you don't have to replace the whole unit (just the goggle for $35). ALSO the Finis tracks stroke rate which the Form does not. The biggest advantage of the Form is the heart rate monitor. In running and cycling I rely heavily on "real time" heart rate monitoring. It's nice to have that feature for swimming too. The Finis does not track heart rate. ALSO the Form is a little more "high tech" because it is a true heads-up display. The Finis is a magnified fish eye lens so you have to glance to the left to view the metrics whereas the Form is in front of you the whole time (which can be distracting). Both goggles count laps very accurately. Both goggles give split times (fairly accurately), running times, "set" times and clock time. The Finis identifies what stroke or kicking you are doing. I am not sure if Form has this feature.
Yep, the Form goggles has really good stroke detection. I agree with your comment. You’ve summed it up really nicely here. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Form has stroke rate
I can tell you that the stroke rate for a professional swimmer like me is a game changer! Doing a set and have all this information is something precious, even more if you train alone or in a huge group where your coach can’t give you much attention 🤘🏻
That is really great feedback Diogo. Who do you swim for? Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Thanks for your comparison, Matt. So timely. I've used Form for a year and last night met the guys who invented the CIYE technology. What I love about smart goggles is that it's a great tool for swimming alone when you're not with a Masters team -- esp during Covid when swimming alone was the only option.
Form goggles make me work harder (when I choose to) and the stats are incredible. I can even download the data to an excel doc. What I don't love about Form is the flat front of the lens. When you are looking forward -- esp when sharing a lane -- my exhaled bubbles go right up the front of the goggle limiting my view. And peripheral vision on the Form is non-existent.
It was really great when Form added open water and I like seeing my stroke count and distance when OWS. I'm curious about the Finis goggles and your review has me intrigued. Hmm, does it makes sense to use Finis for my pool swims and Form for my SF Bay swims? Thanks again!
Yeah, it could make sense to use both like that. There are a good bit of limitations to the tech on the Finis side but fit and visibility is a lot better.
Although, if you’re able to swim masters now, maybe just go with a basic good fitting goggle?
Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Thanks for your feedback, JP. Great to hear you love our stats and functionality. While we've noted your feedback on the goggles design and field of view. It goes without saying that if you're comfortable, you should #swimwithform in all environments! :D
I agree with you. There are things that I REALLY love about the Form goggles. I use them for my Masters swimming as well. I am not sure I will ever be able to go back to counting laps (ha). The ONE thing that is really intriguing about the Finis Goggles, for me, is the ability to swap out a new set of goggles for 35 bucks. Goggles wear out, they don't last forever. I am about 2 years into my pair, and I don't know how long they are going to last. I don't know what I am going to do for my next pair.
I had no idea smart goggles were a thing. Great review for both of them!
I didn't really do a good job of diving into what Smart Goggles are and what they're used for on this video but I have talked a bit more about it in a few other videos on here. I probably should have done that. Thank you for watching Richie! 👍
I also just learnt of them. My reason to buy qoukd be the stroke rate feedback as Diogo says. Definitely keen to get a set. Thanks for the review😊
Yeah, that's a cool feature. Keep in mind that the stroke rate isn't real time. You'll get that metric updated after each length if I'm not mistaken. Thanks Flower Bunny!
I have the Form goggles. I got them Dec 2019. Haven't been swimming them as much as I like. I wear a Garmin watch also. Nothing beats seeing your metrics as yo swim. I think they're great for self couching.
Great feedback Shaun! I think comments like this help others figure out what’s going to be helpful! Thanks for taking the time to watch and let’s us know how it’s worked for you. 👍
Thank you for your feedback, Shaun. We're happy to hear you like the goggles. Please let us know if you have any other questions about our goggles or need any assistance as we'd be happy to share more information!
For somebody who trains alone, the Form goggle are absolute game changers!!!! They pick up all my strokes, counts, lap times and distance teaching is by FAR more accurate than any watch! Best buy for any swimmer!
I'm not a huge fan of the fit on the Form goggles but I agree, they do better at picking up strokes and lap distance than anything else on the market. Crazy. And their mobile app is impressive as well. Thanks for your feedback Daniel! 👌
I really appreciate you cover swimming and not only running and cycling like other channels.
Yeah, no problem Mateusz. Swimming does seem to get the same amount of clicks and views but it’s still cool to see companies innovating in this space! Or maybe I just need to find some groups to share this content with. 🤷🏻♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand Swimming related topics I'd love to see covered (to give you an inspiration:)):
1. Phlex EDGE
2. The best way to get accurate HR undwerwater? Wrist oHR vs Polar Versity Sense (on the temple, but potentially it can be worn on the wrist, close to the watch), HRM Swim (does it fall off when you push off the wall?)
@@sheevys - I like all of these ideas. 👌 Now I just need to make more time in the day to make these happen! 🕰
Looks like this technology is still developing at the most basic level.
2 years after this video was made the price has gone up $50 but the design hasn’t changed.
If I have on a pair of goggles of any cost, the last thing I need is a problem with leaking. That’s a deal breaker at any cost and certainly when the leaking impedes looking at the graphics. Excellent video with a great host.
Thank you so much. I still have access to these goggles but tend to wear my Magic5 goggles. The fit is really important. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Excellent review. Right to the point. Now I know which ones I am going to get. Thank you.
I don’t think I’ve ever been accused of being right to the point in my videos 😆
Thanks for checking out the video White Car. Keep me posted about what you think when you used them a bit. 👌
The showdown! Very awesome! I like the fact that the goggle on the Finis can be changed out, but the option to switch eyes is a a big win for the Form. The form has a little bit of a functional edge too..I would guess Form is primed for a V2 in the next year, and a $125 - $150 price point would be a pretty solid value (wishful thinking I'm sure). $200+ definitely place both models lower on the priority list for most amateurs, a nice to have but not a game changer.
Yeah, that's a good point about them being due for a V2. I think that's the product that I'd get excited about but who knows. That company is pretty innovative when it comes to updates on the existing hardware but we'll see. BTW, are we going to have a virtual drink when you hit 10k? 🙌
@@mlegrand Definitely lol. The next week or two have been long awaited at work a ton of projects are coming to fruition and I can settle back into a normal routine. TH-cam is always the first thing dropped when things get busy, stupid adulting 🤣
Thanks for the comment, @@EverythingIsPhotogenic. As Matt says, we're constantly innovating and thinking about what's next. All we can say is, watch this space and stay tuned. :D
Just the video I needed! Great comparison. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment Chris! I really appreciate it. 👍
Thanks for this great review 2 years I am looking at buying this purely because my Apple Watch nor any garmin does not give me realtime alerts on my stroke count per pool interval. If purely looking for stroke count, stroke rate and time per lap which one would you recommend?
Both of these options are good. Personally, I think I like the fit of the Finis goggles but the tech on the FORM goggles. I have another smart goggle video dropping in about 2 days that also might help with the decision.
@@mlegrand thanks for reply leaning towards the FORM only because its cheaper but awesome I look forward to your next video!
What about optical lenses? I wear the Sporti S2 Optical -3. I am nearsighted. My first open water race I suddenly realized that I couldn’t see anything to navigate and had to follow another swimmer. Then I found optical goggles and that seeing at a distance problem was solved.
I asked about this a while ago and there wasn’t an option for these smart goggles. This could have changed in that time period. Not sure. 🤔
hi Matt, I did order the Polar Verity Sense but I found the third option in Smart googles can I ask you to Review that ? yes it is bulky but correct price (no fees) and looks like a basic swimmers option.. Yes you are more in triathlon but I like your presentation and the details thx
uppd just got an answer from Form (quick respond, nice ) and in short from my point there business plan is not to my style just keep it like that.
Sorry for the late reply, this got flagged as spam for some reason by TH-cam. I agree that I'm not the biggest fan of Form's business plan. What was the third Smart goggle option?
I'm thinking about getting a pair of smart goggles for pacing and distance (I swim long workouts). I got a Garmin watch recently, and I'm finding it's inaccurate for me. I also wear corrective lenses, so I currently swim with Speedo Vanquisher optical goggles in my prescription. Do you find that both of these goggles are accurate for distance and pacing? What about if you require corrective lenses?
There are no options for prescription lenses with the smart goggles as far as I'm aware at this time. I almost always recommend the Vanquishers for people who require corrective lenses. They are a good option. Most of these devices aren't going to be perfect 100% of the time. They tend to do better if you don't mix up your stroke and you keep a steady rhythm. I have been pretty impressed with the stroke detection of the Form Swim Goggles. Might be interesting to consider. I really do wish you could try mine to see what you think for a few swims. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Im not sure if I just never noticed or if its new but I like the way you have your name on the Swim Bike Run Rinse Repeat logo at the beginning of the video. I really enjoyed this review. I would not be able to use the Finis goggle at all, its too bad that Finis didn't take into account folks with monocular vision. I do have a pair of the Form goggles. They are great for OWS and not having to look and your watch to figure out how far you've gone. The one thing I don't like about them is that you can't adjust the display at all. Like it would be nice to be able to move the actual projected display up or down within the goggle. Again for me, with only vision in 1 eye, it makes it difficult to see past the display when you are swimming with them. Because of this I was really unable to wear them in a pool setting. Anyway, as always another great review! THANKS!~
Great feedback Nikole. I know that the Form Swim team reads these comments so that'll help them with future developments of the product. Thanks for the compliments on the logo! 👍
Hi, Nikole - thanks for this feedback. We really appreciate hearing about all the different use cases with our product, such as yours. We have provided this feedback about being able to adjust the display to our engineering team.
All the best, and happy swimming!
The finis works for open water? I mean if I can wach the distan, time and rate in real time? Works with gps or I need wear my garmin watch
I don’t think the Finis works in open water. The Form swim goggles can pull up distance from your Apple or Garmin watch. Unless Finis has changed something recently.
@Matt LeGrand, when you tested the Finis in open water. You were able to see total time right? Does the timer stop automatically when you stop swimming in open water? (Resting in between open water intervals). Or at least do you have the option to manually pause the timer with the button? In that case, I’d be very interested in trying the Finis..
(I bought the Form goggles in 2020, but the display broke down and doesn’t work anymore. And since it doesn’t have warranty anymore, Form is telling me that I need to buy a new pair.. 🙁)
Thanks for the review. Do they both give you distance per stroke?
I’m not 100% sure but I think the Form can show DPS and the Finis can not but then you would get all of that in the post workout details on both devices. 🤔
I’m nuero divergent and they help me keep track of my laps more accurately then my garmin or iwatch. I prefer form goggles and mine have been amazing over the 18 months that I’ve had mine.
That’s great to hear! Have you had any issues with fogging or durability in that time?
@@mlegrand some fogging but the same I’ve had with any other goggles since I started swimming competitively when I was little. So nothing to write home about. I used to go through goggles like crazy. I’ve never owned a pair this long.
@@BLPunkGirl - that’s great feedback. I’ve been concerned that these would wear out in 6-8 months of heavy usage and it’s a pretty high price to replace them. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Hi @matt and everyone else here, does anyone know if the form Google's require you to be using your watch to track as well, or do they do the tracking entirely themselves? I ask as I like using my finis bone conductor headphones to like to audio or music, but that means on my Garmin I can't track the swim. It's a real PITA as I swim faster and longer with my headset, but I can't track it. Unless I buy another watch which sounds exxy. Would love some insight from what you know!
I’m a bit confused. The Garmin can’t track your swim because it’s sending music to the Finis headphones? Sounds like something I need to make a video about!
Yes, these goggles will track lap swimming and distance without a watch or smartphone and then sync it to the smartphone afterwards.
If you’re open water swimming, these goggles require the GPS of a Garmin or Apple Watch to be connected.
Let me know what you find out as you continue to figure this stuff out. I’ve been wanting to explore swimming headphones for a while. 👍
You are confused. The finis bone conduction is an mp3 player. The watch can track any swim but in open water provides gps location to the form goggles. No goggles needs a watch for pool swimming. Your mp3 player doesn't need a watch or goggles.
I use Garmin Swim 2 as my workhorse but I am 62 years and for some health issues... my doctor told me to reduce my training load (fin swimmer 2-4km per workout). I recently started to use Monofin and I badly need to see my HR (yes I know third party..) My 25m are around 17 sec on my training monofins, is that a problem for leaks for Form googles... does anyone know ? I use +2 in my swimming googles so looking at the watch will be hard.... uhh but from my point HR and pace is more important...
My 25 times are similar to yours and for me, it's the push off on swim turns and dives that really kills the Form goggles. (Or makes them leak) The only way to know for sure is to try them. To see HR data, it's probably best to have the Form Goggles and the Polar Verity Sense. That's kind of a lot of equipment to get it working. It's hard to know if it'll be worth it. Best of luck and let me know how it goes!
@@mlegrand Big thanks, yes I was thinking about the Form and Verity Sense. On my Core Silicon fins (50cm) that I can abuse on the flips just like the small DCM in freestyle my flip turn are among the quickest in the pool ( 65KG). I got in order Fiberglass Pro (70cm, 3 month waiting time, sniff). In fact I am really struggling here...........hmm, will I buy the set just for my apnea training.. we will see. P.S. on ordinary day I train only by HR like the fat burning zone or apnea sprint or apnea 50m with one exception I do not like to get overtaken by some even 40 years younger person on next lane.... silly YES but my doctor never sees that.. some things never change... ough
Do the swim goggles work if open turns are used swimming freestyle?
Yes, I typically do flip turns but they should still work with open turns. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Thank you for your question! The FORM goggles track open and flip turns. If you have any other questions, please let us know and we will be happy to answer them for you.
Great review! But i have a quistion about the metrics are they accuraat in laps counting en splits in realtime?form and finis
They are pretty accurate as long as your swimming normally and not doing some sort of kick or drill set. The splits try to be real time but there is a bit of a delay. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
The metrics closely match my Garmin Fenix.
We certainly pride ourselves on our accuracy, through the proprietary algorithm development and machine learning methods that we have created and employed in the product - we developed these methods and programs internally, and are constantly learning and improving too. Furthermore, with the fact that the metrics are displayed right in front of you, there's nowhere for us to hide with regards to surfacing inaccurate metrics, which you might get away with if you're tracking your swims with another device or watch that you can't see the display of, while you swim. Please let us know if you have any other questions about our goggles as we'd be happy to share more information!
As far as lap counting goes I was blown away by how accurate my Finis was. I would say that over. the months of about 5000 laps it only missed a lap maybe 4 or 5 times and only when I was kicking.
It would be great to implement (visually since there is no beeper) finis tempo trainer modes in such google - you can train not only pace but cadence as well.
Oh good point! I use a tempo trainer some times and it'd be great to integrate that simple tech into smart goggles. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Thank you for your feedback. We have passed this along to the product team for consideration - definitely a good idea!
The newest update of the Finis Smart Goggles does stroke rate also. I compared the stroke rate with my Tempo Trainer and it is about 90% accurate.
For the Form goggles to work it must be paired with a Garmin smart watch or Apple watch, yes?
Only for open water swimming. Otherwise it uses the distance of the pool. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍.
Matt is right! The goggles work great in the pool on their own. They track and display your metrics (including stroke rate, stroke count, distance, number of lengths, distance per stroke, pace, and more).
You can also use the goggles on their own in open water too. This lets you track your time and real-time stroke rate while you swim. You would also be able to review your average stroke rate and calories in the workout summary after you saved your swim. To see real-time distance and pace metrics in open water, a compatible Garmin or Apple Watch can be connected to the goggles.
In both the pool and open water, you can connect a Polar Verity Sense, OH1/OH1 + heart rate sensor to monitor your heart rate in real-time.
Please let us know if you have any other questions about our goggles as we'd be happy to share more information!
Please I’m from London where can buy for give gift to my wife love swinging?
I would look directly at the Form Swim goggle website for buying info. Also, double check the links in the description. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Many of the features on the FORM goggles are available via a monthly subscription. Be aware of that.
Yeah, that's a huge issue. This video might have been made before FORM implemented that membership. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand After 2 years, your video is still helping people. Thank you!
Form requires a subscription for some of their features like the compass for open water swimming 🚩 🚩 🚩
Yes! Some of that has changed since the making of this video. But that’s a great point. I do have a video about the Form 2 features on this channel here somewhere. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Nice thorough review, Matt! I have the Form goggles too, but have only used ‘em a few times so far. Based off your points it sounds like the Form goggles have the slight edge, at least in my opinion and for my needs. But it’s definitely cool to see tech like this from both companies. Just pricey lol! 🤑
Yeah, that’s how I feel. Have you reviewed the Form goggles on your channel? Thanks for watching this one! 👌
@@mlegrand no prob! And I haven't reviewed them yet - I've only used them a few times in my community's small-ish pool. Need to get back to the gym lap pool and test it out more before I put out the review!
@@JeremyTri Awesome to hear, Jeremy. Please let us know if you have any other questions about our goggles or need any assistance as we'd be happy to share more information!
“Qwayd” I guess I’ll take it 😁😁 was going for “quad” like “quadcopter”.. but never mind that, very excited for this review finally! And I can’t wait to get those goggles in the pool!
Also my current go to is the Roka R1!!
I probably should double check these things before just trying to remember off the top of my head in these videos. 😆 Coming your way Qwadey!
Wow smart googles! I wonder if I can check my Facebook, Amazon and Instagram 🤣🤣 great video brother!
😆 - Oh yeah, gotta stay fully connect under water!
@@mlegrand yup it’s 2021 bro
Awesome intro! Well done :)
Thanks and thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
FORM just got a lot more expensive. Even though I am grandfathered in, curious about the other options as FORM seems to be going a direction I refuse to participate in.
Yeah, the Finis is really the only other option. I do think the Form goggles are a bit better in a lot of ways. And I agree, I don't like seeing them head in this direction. 😬
what about simple weight loss training?
Well, I don't think these are a requirement for weight loss training but it could help you keep track of distance when swimming. Hope you're making progress and best of luck with the weight loss goals!
@@mlegrand sorry i ment to say how do form goggle fit when working out? I'm not the best swimmer and don't expect to do kick offs the wall would they still have issues sliding down causing leakage
@@lamonz4227 - I don't think you'd have as much issues if you don't push off the wall hard but if you get these goggles it'll be worth brining all of the different nose bridge options to the pool deck to try. Best of luck King Monz!
@@lamonz4227 You can absolutely use the goggles when pushing off the wall. As Matt said, we recommend trying all nose bridge sizes and adjusting the strap to find the right fit for you. We also have a 45-day return policy if you want to try them out.
Please let us know if you have any other questions about our goggles as we'd be happy to share more information!
With the Form you can also pair a Polar temple Heart Rate Monitor
That's a good point. I should have mentioned heart rate display which is actually big. Polar makes the Verity Sense. It used to be called OH1+ and you might be able to get the older one at a better price. It's a great device and very accurate compared to most optical heart rate monitors. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Is this accurate and realtime pls? Or only display after you finish workout?
How can you call them expensive? Inventing technology, waterproofing it, and bringing it to production is truly amazing. Ask any HW manufacturer, profit margins in product are insanely marginal. I think their price is more than legit
Good point. I still think it's fair to call a $200 pair of goggles 'expensive'. Even the same people inventing this technology have agreed that it is an expensive, high-end product.
@@mlegrand high-end, I'll give you, but I'd bet their profit margins are tiny. Are there any in-app subscriptions/upgrades available or is it all free and accessible after purchase?
@@aharonq - The Form swim goggles have in goggle heads up display workouts that are part of a subscription model. Here are some more details on that: www.formswim.com/products/smart-swim-goggles
Lucid cars are expensive. They are probably losing money making them so in your eyes they must be a steal. The European space agency charging a lot more than SpaceX to launch satellites is not expensive too then because their costs are just higher. Smart googles are 10x the price of dumb ones. To some, the value of the data is not worth that much, to some it is ok. Hopefully with time, they recover the initial development cost and unit prices go down to where people wouldn't be calling these expensive.
Nice video
Thanks for watching!
I was disappointed by the very limited field of view with the Form goggles. The big depth tends to restrict peripheral vision (including in front of you - i.e. the end of the pool seems to appear out of nowhere).
I have noticed the exact same thing. Thanks so much for posting your feedback. I think it's really helpful for people to hear this kind of stuff.
Dammit, Matt. I watch your channel so you can give me definitive answers on what's best for me. lol
I think this is an interesting tech niche. If Form can figure a way to get its display tech into a slimmer, replaceable goggle, their offering would become the BluRay to Finis' HD-DVD.
Truth told, though, I don't think I'd ever end up with any. I love my Tyr SpecOps goggles, which are at the high end of what I like spending on goggles.
Great video, and great comparison review.
Definitive answer: Stick to the TYR unless you have a specific need for Smart Goggles. These babies are expensive. 💰
Ha, love that analogy! Thanks for your thoughts. We're not wanting to take you away from your beloved TYR's, but if you do ever feel the need to see your real-time swim metrics, we'd like to think we're able to deliver on your expectations out of a pair of smart swim goggles.
As always, if you have any other questions about our goggles please let us know as we'd be happy to share more information!
@@FORMswim I am sitting on the fence. I have almost purchased the Finis twice now only because they are interchangeable; but in saying that Form has the reviews and market approval that the new Finis do not have yet. I am not sold on the shape/intrusion of the Form but the tech and specs are spot on
Interesting I did know form had competition
I know right? Competition is good. Thanks Sylveon for checking this video out!
@@mlegrand No problem!
If you are near-sighted and have to wear contacts to see anything further then 5 feet away, you will not be able to see the screen inside the Form goggles. I tried the Form goggles, and found them unusable. Yes they leak, they feel huge compared to my Speedo and Roka goggles, the fog proof coating lasted about five minutes, and I could not read the screen while wearing contacts. I could however read the screen without contacts, but then I couldn't see anything else, it is kind of important to be able to see where you are going. They do not have any plans right now to have prescription goggles. Side note, the price is way too high.
Yeah, $200 is a lot for goggles. Still, it’s super good to get your feedback on these goggles. I am sure a lot of near-sighted athletes have the exact same questions. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
That's really interesting that you can't see the screen with contacts. I would almost expect the reverse effect for people with myopia.. Do you need reading glasses? Or perhaps find that reading is becoming more difficult/ needing to keep things further away? I don't think there's anything endemic to the HUD that would create an issue, especially considering the proximity should favor nearsighted users. Have you asked your ophthalmologist about it? Prescriptions aren't usually tailored to a focal point that close. Prescription goggles could certainly be a solution but it adds the hassle of having glasses on deck or contacts in your bag.
Leaking of course is it's own issue, if they could cut the drag, that would probably put them on terms with most other goggles. Could they shift the computer unit and drag along the temple that could be taken up with the natural shape of the head or swim cap. I think they were a good first pass, but I would like to see a big leap forward in a V2.
@@EverythingIsPhotogenic No I do not need reading glasses as anything within a foot I can read fine. Anything further than a foot, is blurry and cannot see it. Even typing this out, my computer screen, which is just about two feet away, I have to use glasses to read what I am typing. So glasses are currently required to see anything at a distance. The problem when I wear contacts, I cannot read anything within a foot. I have to keep things at an arms reach to be able to read it. The contacts I wear, they are not multifocal contacts, just standard ones that allow me to see at distance. I can get free contact lenses through my insurance, but not the multifocal ones. So unless I pay for the multifocal ones, I stick with the standard contacts.
Glad you are back uploading videos, and good luck with the 100 mile Ride for Roswell.
@@Crymerge ah that makes sense, what a racket with insurance right? Just let you get the lenses you need! Hopefully some of these goggle companies will get on board with Rx lenses soon! And thank you very much 🙏
@@Crymerge Thanks for the feedback, Corey. As you likely know from talking with our support team, our goggles were made to be used by as many people as possible. The display is designed so you don’t have to adjust your focus away from your surroundings to read it.
Here's where we stand with our current version of the goggles. If you are far-sighted (hyperopia/presbyopia), meaning you can see distant objects clearly, then you should be able to see the display in our goggles well. This includes people that use reading glasses.
If you are near-sighted (myopia), meaning you can see nearby objects clearly but distant objects are blurry, then your ability to see the display may be affected. If you are comfortable in the pool without corrective lenses it is likely you'll be able to see the display in our goggles. However, if you need corrective lenses normally when you swim, then it's likely you will need them to see the display. We do not have any plans currently to provide a prescription version of the goggles.
Other conditions such as astigmatism, glaucoma, macular degeneration, etc. may affect your ability to see the display.
The goggles are reversible, so you can try both eyes if one has better vision than the other.
As always, if you have any other questions about our goggles as we'd be happy to share more information! Thanks
Darn it. I didn’t win any smart goggles. Lol. Thank goodness I’ve gotten into contacts so smart goggles are less important to me now. That being said, I think the smart goggles are genius. Thanks for your video and opinions!
Thanks for watching! I wouldn’t stress about the smart goggles too much. I think they’re a ‘nice’ to have but not a ‘need’ to have.
@@mlegrand Agreed!
Please do not gesture so much with your hands while you speak. Especially if you're holding the thing you're talking about. It's quite distracting. Thanks!
No promises but I’ll take your suggestion seriously
I will wait for more refined versions. Using Barracuda B300 goggles. Always work. Always comfortable. Never leak.
Hard to switch to something that's questionable when you have something that already works so well. Thanks for commenting on this one Michael!