I think farrell is done with International rugby. Why not go to France and enjoy the life and salary for a while. Also while I'm here RIP to the legend JPR Williams who passed away today.
Playing for England and Saracens...Farrell has had more 💩 thrown at him than any other player I've seen in my lifetime...from both domestic and International fans...and hes kept his own counsel throughout it all. I dont blame him one bit for taking a break from England rugby...and even all rugby in England if that's what he and his family need. And whether he returns to England or not is really irrelevant. He's done more than enough for his country.
Spot on. It’s been a embarrassment for the sport and country what he’s had to endure from uneducated bellends. Good luck to him he’s a English rugby legend
If the Bronze Final against Argentina proves to be his final international game, he went out with a bang. Perfect from the tee, led from the front, finished with a Bronze Medal. He's been England's best player since Wilkinson and he more than deserves to do whatever is best for him and his family.
Im South African and i think it is best for him to go to France. The english media and supporters has puahed him to go this way. He is a great player dont take that away from him.
I don’t blame Owen if he goes. The abuse he’s suffered over the last few years is nothing short of despicable. Guy should go and get the money and a nice life. Well done England fans. You sabotaged yourselves well and truly 😂
Its well known amongst the players that Farrell didn't agree with the netflix docuseries and the access and attention it would bring . That was his main decision process when deciding to step away from England . Moving to France is what all the top players do to cash in for a couple years before retirement . Theres no story here . Farrell hasn't been bullied out , he's a northerner he don't give af what people like Hask think .
All the best to Owen what ever he does! Legend! I make a point of backing him in any discussion wherever possible now!... JM is a great addition to the pod!
If there is one player in the World that can support Owen to find a bit of positive perspective its Siya Kolisi ..And he will because thats just how he does things .
I really hope he'll come here in the top 14. I hope as well he will have the same revival Sir Wilko had in Toulon. He will make the crowds stop booing him by his talent and skills.
All the uneducated and loudmouth keyboard warriors have messed it all up for everyone and him. He’s been one of our stand out players for years and never given the respect he was due. Don’t blame him if he goes go put yourself and your family first mate
I think it's way more likely he does 2-3 years in France and comes back for the world cup. Barring any injuries that will really mold him into his final form. World class flyhalf's seem to fully mature in their early to mid 30's (experience and tactical knowledge I'd assume) and 2 years in France will really test him against a myriad of opposition and combinations not found in the Prem. Who knows maybe England will have a new law soon for experienced players to play oversees? Would be VERY surprised if he's not leading England in the next world cup. Mans just needs a break from the norm my god he's earned it.
As A England fan I would be absolutely gutted to see him go. On the other hand I can completely see why he would go. Either way I wish him all the best. My captain
So it’s ok for Russell to play there but not Farrell? Leave him alone, it’s a good rugby country, weather’s better, salary will be better, and he, along with all other Racing no 10’s of past, can mask in this recognised highest position in rugby. That’s Racing No 10….
The treatment of Farrell with the booing etc was a disgrace. He’s taking things into his own hands now. Wonder if Arundell is sitting there thinking “oh f@ck, my sparring partner is following me” lol. Good luck to both of them
I worry about Hask, he can never keep his foot still, its surprising how distracting it is, its like it dominates the body language of the room, restless shaking, maybe some meditation needed my brother! Peace
FYI if Farrell sign with Racing he will not earn more that what is getting with the Saracens. The rumors in france is that his salary will be at least 45000€ per month ( around 540 000€ per year) . So i think he will be pay a lot less than in saracens with the marquee player rule
England has so little depth in vital positions as the same players are picked again and again. Farrell in France would force Saracens to find someone new and that can only benefit the English game. This is why the Boks can change their entire scrum and not lose any performance level.
What, like George Ford, Marcus Smith, you mean? And Jamie Shilcock at Tigers and Fin Smith at Saints? Seems quite a lot a depth to me. And there’s also Joe Simmonds as when if he comes back. It’s one position that we do actually have strength and depth in, but even with Owen gone they’ve got to get past the first two I mentioned.
@mikec2505 and those two you mentioned have to get past owen farrell.... and not based on form. So I think it will be good for England with owen in france.
None of you self appointed experts have called out the vitriol leader Matt Dawson for forcing the best number 10 in the world out of the England set up.
Really enjoyed this video, and hearing Jonny May & Hask's views on Farell's potential move, great insight from both. For more fascinating reaction to what this could mean for England Rugby here - th-cam.com/video/2w2CVANk50M/w-d-xo.html
Let’s just hope he’s 100% aware of the abuse he’ll receive from French supporters all over the country… he’s embodied what we call a ‘tête à claques’ for some years and R92 is probably one of the most despised clubs (because of its owner and of the inexistence of fan base). It won’t be an easy ride! (Please note that I’m by no mean condoning any form of abuse!)
Not going to win WC27 with the lack of talent & style of play in England team, under appreciated & hated, won everything so good way to put 2 fingers upto England & get the rewards he deserves without the negativity. Also good to sit on the side & laugh at England
Great insight from all three, wish Owen all the best if he does go, which he should to get always from the “boo boys” in the media and online. Good point made in whether the narrative will change when his gone.
I think he's changed a lot since having kids, maybe has a different outlook on life now. As Johnny said people read too much into the flack he's got. Its more a time in his life where wants a change and if he doesn't do it now he probably wont get the chance. RIP JPR
I listened to Ugo Monye and the two Chrises(?) Ashton and Jones on BBC Rugby Union Weekly discussing the same subject and came away with nothing. The podcast was chaotic and meaningless. You three are brilliant and although I like listening to Mike Tindall it was a refreshing change to hear from Jonny May as someone who is still in the thick of the action. I also appreciated Hask’s attempts at keeping his twitching foot under control with a firm grasp of the hand !
Farrell isn't going to change who he is all of a sudden. He is simply not good enough to play any other way. His best hope if he goes to France to get behind a huge pack. Sexton btw went to Racing and flopped hard. He could not deal with expectations and cultural differences. Racing currently had a so so pack and no they're not filled with stars. Most of those have moved on and the few that remain? Are not playing well, Fickou has had a poor season for example. Arundel is ok but has shown nothing to merit star status. Kolisi is about it. Their 9 (Le Garrec) has a chance to be a star but he is still desperately inconsistent.
I just dont see how the Racing team suits Farrell as a player, when you think about the types of fly halves they have he doesn't fit the profile of Russell or Carter or Sexton. And as a Quins fan all the fandom knew full well how much they were circling around Smith before he signed an extension; which leads me to think this could be a ploy from Racing to pressure Smith.
Racing now us a different team to when Russell , Sexton and further back Carter, DifferentSquads and coaches . Lancaster is coach and he sees Farrell as the #10 he needs. Good luck to him
Not quite sure why you are all certain he will make a good coach (based on what exactly?!), I am personally not convinced one bit. Fantastic player, but leaves a LOT to be desired as a captain, and I do not think he will make a great coach, not with modern rugby... 15/20 years ago sure, but rugby has moved on so much, I don't think Farrel will be a good coach unfortunately
He literally coaches already and drives the squad as such. Every team be it lions, Saracens or England, each head coach has said as much. Chris Robshaw.. lovely guy. We didn’t win much with him as cap. Dylan Hartley, on the field a nasty bastard.. we won and won.
@@Alex-mj5dv well, I look forward to the day he decides to go into coaching, and hope he does at least half as well as his dad. I just haven't actually seen anything or heard him talk rugby which makes me think he'll be a great coach. Pundits always go on about how X player would make a great coach, but never give a proper explanation why. Similar to football pundits, who couldn't identify a coach to save their lives (albeit from what I've seen, elite rugby players make farrrr better coaches than footballers)
England have been stale for years... and Farrell was a huge part of the problem. He was never destined to win a WC and will struggle to get into the Lions.... unless.... his daddy gives him a spot... which nepotism dictates he will.
Someone who clearly doesn’t watch the Top 14, compared to the URC or the Gallagher Prem you can get away with a lot more in France, sometimes you even see some old school brawls!
I think farrell is done with International rugby. Why not go to France and enjoy the life and salary for a while. Also while I'm here RIP to the legend JPR Williams who passed away today.
Farell never played international rugby.
@@Marius_vanderLubbeyou South Africans think you’re so funny don’t you
@@Marius_vanderLubbealso mate you’ve returned to this video two hours after your first comment just do write more troll comments, get a life
Not a fan of free speech, jake? P.s to not do.@@jakeclough8090
In fact if he go to racing his salary will be less that what is getting with Saracens
When you don't believe it can be done Alex surprises us all and out poshes himself once again. 12.38.
Please keep Jonny May!!!! Love what he says and it's just pin point accurate
Jonny at 21 mins, "where's Tindal" 😂
Playing for England and Saracens...Farrell has had more 💩 thrown at him than any other player I've seen in my lifetime...from both domestic and International fans...and hes kept his own counsel throughout it all.
I dont blame him one bit for taking a break from England rugby...and even all rugby in England if that's what he and his family need.
And whether he returns to England or not is really irrelevant. He's done more than enough for his country.
Spot on. It’s been a embarrassment for the sport and country what he’s had to endure from uneducated bellends. Good luck to him he’s a English rugby legend
If the Bronze Final against Argentina proves to be his final international game, he went out with a bang.
Perfect from the tee, led from the front, finished with a Bronze Medal.
He's been England's best player since Wilkinson and he more than deserves to do whatever is best for him and his family.
no he hasn't stop being a karen
@@ghotio1927 hasn’t what ?
he hasn't been bullied away he's ostracised himself , big difference .@@herb2078
Im South African and i think it is best for him to go to France. The english media and supporters has puahed him to go this way. He is a great player dont take that away from him.
Point taken, but not all of us of course.
More Johnny May!
I've enjoyed his 2 appearances so far!
I don’t blame Owen if he goes. The abuse he’s suffered over the last few years is nothing short of despicable. Guy should go and get the money and a nice life. Well done England fans. You sabotaged yourselves well and truly 😂
RIP JPR one of the greatest players of all time
Jonny May belter 💪 keep him on the show
Its well known amongst the players that Farrell didn't agree with the netflix docuseries and the access and attention it would bring . That was his main decision process when deciding to step away from England . Moving to France is what all the top players do to cash in for a couple years before retirement . Theres no story here . Farrell hasn't been bullied out , he's a northerner he don't give af what people like Hask think .
All the best to Owen what ever he does! Legend! I make a point of backing him in any discussion wherever possible now!... JM is a great addition to the pod!
If there is one player in the World that can support Owen to find a bit of positive perspective its Siya Kolisi ..And he will because thats just how he does things .
Two big leaders in Kolisi and Faz. What a team that could be.
The insights + bumbling nature of Jonny May's speech works marvelously in this format
Good luck to Owen. I'm get fed up with the crap he gets, go and enjoy it.
I really hope he'll come here in the top 14. I hope as well he will have the same revival Sir Wilko had in Toulon. He will make the crowds stop booing him by his talent and skills.
Huge respect for faz from a wales fan. Mans a legend of rugby.
Can you get Aubrey Plaza on with Johnny May? 😂
You need to get Haskell to zip it. He repeats himself - constantly; and no-one else gets a look in.
The difference between May's clarity and Hask's repetition is hilarious.
Agree
However he'll never pass to Arundell.
All the uneducated and loudmouth keyboard warriors have messed it all up for everyone and him. He’s been one of our stand out players for years and never given the respect he was due. Don’t blame him if he goes go put yourself and your family first mate
I think it's way more likely he does 2-3 years in France and comes back for the world cup. Barring any injuries that will really mold him into his final form. World class flyhalf's seem to fully mature in their early to mid 30's (experience and tactical knowledge I'd assume) and 2 years in France will really test him against a myriad of opposition and combinations not found in the Prem. Who knows maybe England will have a new law soon for experienced players to play oversees? Would be VERY surprised if he's not leading England in the next world cup. Mans just needs a break from the norm my god he's earned it.
As A England fan I would be absolutely gutted to see him go. On the other hand I can completely see why he would go. Either way I wish him all the best. My captain
Jonny May is a great addition to this, more please
When he eventually finishes Owen"s autobiography will be a fantastic read.
So it’s ok for Russell to play there but not Farrell? Leave him alone, it’s a good rugby country, weather’s better, salary will be better, and he, along with all other Racing no 10’s of past, can mask in this recognised highest position in rugby. That’s Racing No 10….
The treatment of Farrell with the booing etc was a disgrace. He’s taking things into his own hands now. Wonder if Arundell is sitting there thinking “oh f@ck, my sparring partner is following me” lol. Good luck to both of them
I worry about Hask, he can never keep his foot still, its surprising how distracting it is, its like it dominates the body language of the room, restless shaking, maybe some meditation needed my brother! Peace
I came for the Owen Farrell news, I stayed for Jonny May as a co-host
Jonnnnyy
Bye bye Owen 👋. Go and shout at some refs in France
FYI if Farrell sign with Racing he will not earn more that what is getting with the Saracens. The rumors in france is that his salary will be at least 45000€ per month ( around 540 000€ per year) . So i think he will be pay a lot less than in saracens with the marquee player rule
He could have a contract with a rise the second year. But you're right he probably won't get that much as they think.
So happy to see Jonny again!
Can we replace Hask with Jonny
Great signing for Racing and Farrell !
He 32 good luck to him
England has so little depth in vital positions as the same players are picked again and again. Farrell in France would force Saracens to find someone new and that can only benefit the English game. This is why the Boks can change their entire scrum and not lose any performance level.
What, like George Ford, Marcus Smith, you mean? And Jamie Shilcock at Tigers and Fin Smith at Saints? Seems quite a lot a depth to me. And there’s also Joe Simmonds as when if he comes back. It’s one position that we do actually have strength and depth in, but even with Owen gone they’ve got to get past the first two I mentioned.
@mikec2505 and those two you mentioned have to get past owen farrell.... and not based on form. So I think it will be good for England with owen in france.
None of you self appointed experts have called out the vitriol leader Matt Dawson for forcing the best number 10 in the world out of the England set up.
Really enjoyed this video, and hearing Jonny May & Hask's views on Farell's potential move, great insight from both. For more fascinating reaction to what this could mean for England Rugby here - th-cam.com/video/2w2CVANk50M/w-d-xo.html
Why pronounce "Racing" like a Frenchman and then 92 in English -it's quatre-vingt douze in French.
Good for Owen
Wow😮
English tall poppy syndrome I remember his dad playing for Wigan go to France Owen enjoy it
Hope he doesn’t meet Trent Robinson #roosters! Whilst in France???Kolisi /Farrell ….
Let’s just hope he’s 100% aware of the abuse he’ll receive from French supporters all over the country… he’s embodied what we call a ‘tête à claques’ for some years and R92 is probably one of the most despised clubs (because of its owner and of the inexistence of fan base). It won’t be an easy ride!
(Please note that I’m by no mean condoning any form of abuse!)
everyone will compare him to wilkinson, he didnt get a RWC 1st and he wont have a toulon like career! go for the experience and wine!
Saracens can only have 1 marquee player, yes, so either OF or MO, one will be lost to England me thinks.
Not going to win WC27 with the lack of talent & style of play in England team, under appreciated & hated, won everything so good way to put 2 fingers upto England & get the rewards he deserves without the negativity. Also good to sit on the side & laugh at England
Great insight from all three, wish Owen all the best if he does go, which he should to get always from the “boo boys” in the media and online. Good point made in whether the narrative will change when his gone.
I hope james realises one day.........its not all about the money!
I think he's changed a lot since having kids, maybe has a different outlook on life now. As Johnny said people read too much into the flack he's got. Its more a time in his life where wants a change and if he doesn't do it now he probably wont get the chance.
RIP JPR
Why don't they allbe honest and follow the Money.
Saw Jonny, got happy. Simple
Here’s Jonny…
.. O.farrell ..to leinster r.f.c. . . ?
I listened to Ugo Monye and the two Chrises(?) Ashton and Jones on BBC Rugby Union Weekly discussing the same subject and came away with nothing. The podcast was chaotic and meaningless. You three are brilliant and although I like listening to Mike Tindall it was a refreshing change to hear from Jonny May as someone who is still in the thick of the action.
I also appreciated Hask’s attempts at keeping his twitching foot under control with a firm grasp of the hand !
Jon May is a top drawer addition to this team.
Love Jonny!!!
Jonny, my boy.
Looks like Haskell eat well over Xmas….🎉
Ur mum needs to stop giving him a meat pie each time he gives her one
Farrell isn't going to change who he is all of a sudden. He is simply not good enough to play any other way. His best hope if he goes to France to get behind a huge pack. Sexton btw went to Racing and flopped hard. He could not deal with expectations and cultural differences. Racing currently had a so so pack and no they're not filled with stars. Most of those have moved on and the few that remain? Are not playing well, Fickou has had a poor season for example.
Arundel is ok but has shown nothing to merit star status. Kolisi is about it. Their 9 (Le Garrec) has a chance to be a star but he is still desperately inconsistent.
Pray for France.
He's useless anyhow
Farrell should give NRL in Australia a go. With Seibold at Manly.
Johnny please lose the cap you are not seventeen ❤
I just dont see how the Racing team suits Farrell as a player, when you think about the types of fly halves they have he doesn't fit the profile of Russell or Carter or Sexton. And as a Quins fan all the fandom knew full well how much they were circling around Smith before he signed an extension; which leads me to think this could be a ploy from Racing to pressure Smith.
Racing now us a different team to when Russell , Sexton and further back Carter, DifferentSquads and coaches . Lancaster is coach and he sees Farrell as the #10 he needs. Good luck to him
Not quite sure why you are all certain he will make a good coach (based on what exactly?!), I am personally not convinced one bit. Fantastic player, but leaves a LOT to be desired as a captain, and I do not think he will make a great coach, not with modern rugby... 15/20 years ago sure, but rugby has moved on so much, I don't think Farrel will be a good coach unfortunately
I'm more inclined to believe them over you.
He literally coaches already and drives the squad as such. Every team be it lions, Saracens or England, each head coach has said as much. Chris Robshaw.. lovely guy. We didn’t win much with him as cap. Dylan Hartley, on the field a nasty bastard.. we won and won.
@@Alex-mj5dv well, I look forward to the day he decides to go into coaching, and hope he does at least half as well as his dad. I just haven't actually seen anything or heard him talk rugby which makes me think he'll be a great coach. Pundits always go on about how X player would make a great coach, but never give a proper explanation why. Similar to football pundits, who couldn't identify a coach to save their lives (albeit from what I've seen, elite rugby players make farrrr better coaches than footballers)
England have been stale for years... and Farrell was a huge part of the problem. He was never destined to win a WC and will struggle to get into the Lions.... unless.... his daddy gives him a spot... which nepotism dictates he will.
Good one got, going to get lots of bites with that 👍
The French won't take any of his shoulder charging bullshit.
Another obnoxious salty Saffa fan with the usual drivel.
Wipe your face, marc - you're covered in it.@@marcdaniels9079
South Africans continuously show themselves to be bitter and obnoxious. Worst fans of any sport in the world.
Someone who clearly doesn’t watch the Top 14, compared to the URC or the Gallagher Prem you can get away with a lot more in France, sometimes you even see some old school brawls!
Wipe your face, marc.@@marcdaniels9079
No-one cares. Move on.
But you cared enough to watch the video...AND make a comment...😂