@@walkerprior2620dude you’re shitting me, that’s insane. I’ve always heard we could go into Canada for cheaper alcohol by volume, and you have to pay $5 for Arizona? Jeez I’m sorry brother.. here I think they’re still $2.12 (.12 because .06 on the dollar sales tax)
It works very well out in the badlands too, looking out on the highways, corpo farms and barren vistas brought about by the misuse of the land consumed by seemingly endless corporate expansion. Really just look anywhere in the game and you can see everything Johnny's raging against bleeding out of the pores.
Idk really. Johnny is completely right, but the alternative is what we see in Pacifica. A place abandoned by corps Corps' overruling dominance has basically made them the governing system of the country. They are that which ultimately funds things like public infrastructure and the NCPD. Not a government and taxes. So Pacifica is near enough what it would look like everywhere if there was suddenly no corps and idk if thats any better The truth is I think that the world as it is in Cyberpunk is far beyond saving. The point of no return happened long ago. And we in the real world should really start waking up to prevent it from happening to us
I really do love how you go from hating Silverhands asshole behavior at the start to very quickly sympathizing with the character once he explains everything.
Been feeling like Johny for a long time, but coming at it from a much more eco socialist point of view. Silverhand is much more system agnostic and just cares about the extreme exploitation while talking about some basic pro socialist values (water and land) but I don't think he dislikes capitalism, more so that he hates the extremes lengths current/2020's capitalism went and how it destroyed the future for the people
I feel you, man. This shit rings so damn true and coming closer and closer to reality. It's a scary reality without the cool cyberware. Corporations control our lives. Medical, work life, governmental, everything. They want to control every aspect of our lives. Fight, as Johnny said. Fuck them all and fight with every fiber of your being. Don't let Corporations control you. Live for yourself and those you love!
They already have. Psychological marketing targets you in your ethos, your id. Your inner self. Your soul. Call it what you want. They're literally restructuring our brains through liminal and subliminal advertising to be good consumers. Your desires, wants, needs, values, your principals, your higher reasoning, the zeitgeist around you - all of it subject to the matrix of prepackaged ideas forcefed to us by soulless demons with marketing degrees.
In my opinion, this was the best scene in the whole game. Johnny sinceres himself, puts the meaning of Cyberpunk on the table. A critic against the neoliberalism and the dehumanization of society.
Gosh, there are like a dozen of these godlike scenes, thus I can't really deside which scene was the best for me. There's powerful Johnny scene at his grave, there are 5 romantic/bond scenes, which felt just out of this world, and so on. Cyberpunk, may be not the best "game" I've played, but surely it gave me the best and the most unforgettable emotions of all kinds
This is not totally true. Saying cyberpunk is against neoliberalism is NOT blatantly wrong, but you’re viewing it from the completely wrong lens. Because saying the takeaway from cyberpunk is specifically anti-neoliberalism is very narrow and shallow and possibly harmful to the actual meaning, because that implies that the game is anti capitalist, at least to a degree, which it is not. Now with the deregulation aspect of neoliberalism, yes, cyberpunk is anti-neoliberal, but everything else no. Cyberpunks focus is on large unregulated corporatism, not capitalism as a whole. Cyberpunk is anti authoritarian, not anti capitalist. Socialism is inherently authoritarian because for it to work everyone would need to comply with the rules of that system and the governing body that would run it, cyberpunks message is that large unregulated corporations have the ability to become an authoritarian body. Regarding Johnnys quote, “same shit, different packaging”. It’s also a critique on the misinformed anti-capitalist punk culture as a whole, because punks can’t be against authority but favor an economy and system that relies on compliance. It’s about protecting healthy capitalism, about stopping the exceptionally greedy from creating a system that isn’t truly capitalist. “A war on the forces of entropy” is referring to human greed, it’s the same reason unregulated corporations become bad, and the same reason that communist and socialist methods don’t work, the system will eventually spiral out of control, the authoritative body will abuse the power it has.
@@SelFreeLions almost every word of this is wrong. Cyberpunk is anti-capitalist. Socialism is not "authoritarian" because that word is absolutely meaningless.
@@demsochimbo5383 don’t know how it’s meaningless but alright. So far both replies to my comment are just “you’re wrong” with no explanation of your claim. The idea of socialism isn’t inherently authoritarian, but when used in practice it sure is lmao.
Yep and plus what makes it better is it applies to both sides of the political cess pool and here's the thing not many like to admit or too dumb to know it always has all over the fkn world.
This conversation is not so different from what’s happening right now in our world. It’s terrifying, but we are seeing this future unfold before our eyes little by little.
Yep and by enlarge most of the population is okay with it. The only way to deal with it is to protest, or terrorism, but people see protesting as an inherently evil thing that inconveniences others while terrorism is something less than 1 in a million is willing to risk to do for a possible brighter future (I am not that one in a million nor do I advocate for terrorism). The corporations have already won in my eyes. They've successfully managed to distract or enforce such horrible living conditions that they have no/cannot have an impact on the future. Instead the masses follow the news anchors/influences like good dogs (some attack dogs), waiting for it to tell them "X group bad (distracting you from the real problem, which is your socio economic conditions and corporations continual exploitation)" or "Y man is bad (distracting you from whatever good you could (helping in a soup kitchen or protesting are good examples) do instead of listening to them reaffirm your hatred of this bad man)". I mean, hell, that's exactly what I'm/we're doing right now. I'm personally just a nihilist and gave up a long time ago
Not even close. 2 totally different concepts. The first Blade Runner is a profound philosophical debate about what it means to be human and having the right to live as a synth. The second movie is a pretty but empty shell where the main character is just doing a quest from A to B. In cyberpunk, it's a mish mash of many ideas.
@@SlashRfnR I wouldn't say it's a "mish mash" of many ideas. Yes, there are lots of ideas and life lessons, but the game is also much bigger than just a one movie. There are many separate stories in the game, each with it's own idea, they aren't really mashed. The main story line probably shares some lessons with " For Whom the Bell Tolls", about how facing death affects you. But "in summary", including side quests, I'd say that the main point of the game was that you don't really want or need to throw your life away trying to become a well-known legend, instead you can meet beloved people and help them, unintentionally becoming a legend of their own.
Sony were assholes but I don't think you get the point of what was said in this cutscene if that's how you took it I mean, Helldivers isn't to different from cyberpunk in terms of their criticism of capitalism, just a different coat of paint.
“Do whatever it takes to stop em, defeat em, gut em. If I need to kill, I’ll kill. If I need your body I’ll fuckin take it. Johnny can make anyone a renegade
i can't believe how people in my country thinks that our polish Silverhand played by Michał Żebrowski is better than Keanu. They still don't see it. But they will one day.
Because people can have different opinions. I've played both versions because I wanted to listen to the dialogues the way that the writers came up with them and the VA Zebrowski was outstanding. Keanu is a both a great actor and a voice actor but it's not such a big gap that people can't prefer the other one
Keanu Reeves was amazing in this game. Not once did i even remember he was an actor, i rewatched john wick and the matrix and it doesn’t feel right seeing him in other roles anymore. He is such an amazing portrayal of silverhand, even how he looks, everything is just right.
@@JayAreAitch I think Keanu is a great action star but his dialogue is usually flat. Perfect for john y though as that just worked. But in like John Wick when he talks sometimes its always like "ehhhh" but then he does cool gun stuff and im right back invested
@@PippyPopsSelfHarmMonica This is exactly it. He's best in stuff where being a good actor isn't important, which sounds like more of an insult than it is.
How do more people not understand the systems fucked all ways,all sides? How can people be so fucking blind! Us little folk are just puppets to them slimy suits and they pull our strings to advertise who, what to love,what to wear the list goes on til the end of fuckin time.
Yeah it’s also why Amazon releases series like the boys which is also inherently anti capitalist, because at the end of the day no one will do anything about it
I mean, yeah. It's awful that people get overworked and harassed like they so often do in game making (I usually stay away from studios/publishers that do this on a large scale, Ubisoft, Blizzard, etc), while not even being sure they'll keep their job because of layoffs. That's how capitalism works, and Cyberpunk as a genre is a commentary on capitalism
@@adamburgess7890 I don't think we should worry about the launch state and the executive's bonuses (even though it's the executives fault for the mistreatment of the employees) as much as we should worry about the overworked employees who might be cut at any time and often gets discriminated against and harassed, but IDK perhaps that's just a radical idea to care for human lives... What Johnny's speech to some degree was about
Johnny has a point, but so does V later on if you choose to throw him into the net. V basically says “you blew up arasaka and killed a lot of innocent people, you may not have agreed with them but it’s their choice. And without choice, we have nothing in life”. Johnny is too short sighted, that’s why he blew up arasaka tower with a nuke. He doesn’t see the bigger picture where you have to actually gain the public’s support and have half the population backing you up. Without that, the “revolution” or “reset” of our society would mean nothing at all. Just another war of attrition without common law.
Nuke wasn't Johnny's it was militecs johnny only joined the mission to save alt the Johnny you see in game has had his his memories edited aka unreliable narrative this is cyberpunk lore
the nuke was supposed to go off in the sublevels but the elevator got stuck and caused an air detonation. his goal was always to drop Arasaka Tower, not murder a bunch of random NC citizens. also that "half the population backing you up" is just historically inaccurate and logistically wrong.
@@da-jonmcfadden2827Johnny's memories are false. Militech dropped the nuke as an act of aggression against arasaka. THe whole thiNg was a corpo mission headed by hired mercs like Blackhand and Johnny was just roped in to be the perfect patsy. Even sadder that his existential rage against the corps was just bent into another act of corpo espionage. Not only did he affect no change, he essentially aided his enemies in further destroying the world.
That was not Johnny's plan, that was Militech's solution to Arasaka's new soulkiller weapon, Militech had to push Arasaka hard all or nothing or risk losing to the newest netrunner killer
This currently describes the situation of our country of America today, but switch around a few things instead of corpos we have the "our" u.s. government who is corrupt to all hell and sadly we have no one like johnny or v on our side
The very American way created this though. In the end, socialist ideologs of early 20th century are being proved right, it seems. The capitalist, individualist, liberal system itself is unsustainable, modern governments of democracies aren't there to protect the rights of populace, it's there to protect this system. And this system, by its very nature, creates bottlenecks, bubbles, fraudulent markets and nonstop corporate greed and tech firms nowadays, are becoming unstoppable even by governments themselves. Are you realising big tech are fast becoming monopolies in their own specialised fields of operation? Like Amazon, Uber, Apple and Google? And even the idea of a competitors from these in free market seems ridicilous nowadays? And these aren't classical capitalists either, they're bringing feudalism back. It's not even capitalism anymore, these corps create their own digital fiefdoms, subordinate actual capitalists who try to make profit in these fiefdoms, and get rent from their work and trade. Amazon creates next to nothing, but it sucks a shit ton of money thanks to the monopoly it's built in international markets. Any alternative is incapable of actually competing the massive scale of Amazon except for Chinese corps, that're even worse, a capitalist corporation that's intertwined with an oppressive government Rosa Luxenburg had it right: The choice is not socialism or capitalism, the choice is socialism or barbarism Thing is, socialism is also dead, social democracies are dying, Europe is becoming a political circus, and this hellish new world seems irreversible
The fact you're differentiating Corpos from the Gov means you missed the point somewhere on the way. In modern America they've become one and the same, Cyberpunk is a warning of what will come if we don't amend that issue
@@ramblingrenegade6346and take Raiden’s speech from Metal Gear Rising to heart too. They only care lining up their own pockets and approval ratings with no sense of principles at all just like all the rest.
Me when kfc remove their hot wings for chicken nuggets because they want to simplify their menu because they dont want their employees brains to overload
My favorite part about Johnnys motives, actions, and history are that none of them are put in either a good or bad light. The game clearly lays out his horrible atrocities, his righteous motives, everything in between and leaves it all up for the player to decide who he is.
I think this conversaton takes place after the *second* you complete of the following; Going to Clouds, Finding Anders Hellman, and the whole thing with the Voodoo boys. All of these have different variations where V will sit down somewhere to speak with Johnny, but the order in which you do them also changes some of the details a bit.
It takes place during the second occurrence of Tapeworm iirc, which occurs after Automatic Love, Transmission, Search and Destroy and Life During Wartime. Place where it takes place differs depending on which main job you complete second
Because the theme is this is what happens when you let the system win. There are no good endings cus it’s to late you can’t save the city or the world and you can barley save yourself
Homie the game itself is the exploration, everything you see in game is in one way or another, a result of late stage capitalism (as is with almost anything in the cyberpunk genre)
The game IS the exploration. The message is crystal clear. It doesn't matter how many different endings you do, the corporation will ALWAYS win. Judy even tells you at the start of the game.
It's amazing how people can look at a man who killed 10k people and praise him all because he said "muh corpos bad" it's the same deal as Ted kaczinsky he had good views but did nothing to accomplish it He punched a militech apologist (aka punched a random civilian and didn't do anything to stop militech) and killed 10k people not harming Arasaka at all, I like JS he's funny and if you play chippin in he's semi redeemed but to see people idolize him is hilarious and sad
@@sobanya_228 "made an excuse for it" My brother in Christ, he literally said in the previous sentence that he declared war against the system, he dropped a fucking nuke on said corpos just to get a point across and you call him a waste under capitalist propaganda? Imma be real, despite the lack of hindsight for all the people that unintentionally got fucked by that, hes done more to fight capitalism than most people would, especially dropping a fucking nuke
it's funny, considering how USSR hasn't collapsed in Cyberpunk universe and is the same type of shithole. Almost as if it's not the economic system that is bad, but it's implementation.
Johnny in this game actually nearly radicalized me irl. Maybe parent were right about videogames but more likely maybe im just incredibly susceptible to radicalization. Always did have a problem with the idea that these suits up top control our lives, keep shit from us "for our owm good" (yeah fucking right), make the rules and break their owm rules, take the profit from us they we make working for them and etc.Not to mention the boatlaods of corruption going on behind the scenes. It was easy to not get radicalized when all the people who says shit like this are normally on a far side of a politcal spectrum and have shitty opinions mixed in there. But Johnny... Johnny i find oddly charismatic. He's an asshole but he's my kinda asshole
This is a modernized version of the criticisms of capitalism. This language is found directly in the red book written by a man named Karl. You know the one. This isn't about radicalization. It's pointing out the obvious. Doing what Johnny wants to do about makes sense in his position because it's at a point where it can't be fixed by normal means.
I mean, it’s not so much radical thought as it is literally just recognizing that the greedy mfs in power want you to essentially become their slave. It’s ultra late stage capitalism where the nobility class from the medieval ages has come back, and they think they’re untouchable. As one of our founding fathers (Patrick Henry) in the US would say, “Give me liberty, or give me death!”
@@andrei-cezarbleaje5519whatever you say gonk. Yk he's right about all sides of politics this shit has always applied whether you go to the big bang theory or the nuclear heat death of the universe Johnny's right. Corporations, politicians only care about us if we can line their pockets.
“So, who radicalized you?”
“Keanu Reeves.”
“My imaginary friend in an rpg”
I was a lolbert before 2077 released, coincidentally very anti-corp now. Wonder why.
"I won't get political" (two drinks later)
He never really did get political he just told the truth
A video game character has now radicalized me
Pov: your watching me encite a revolution after they raised the price of arizona iced from 0.99$ to 1.01$
Do you need backup?
It's $5 for one in Canada, and they still have the $0.99 label on them.
you're
The price it's on the can
@@walkerprior2620dude you’re shitting me, that’s insane. I’ve always heard we could go into Canada for cheaper alcohol by volume, and you have to pay $5 for Arizona? Jeez I’m sorry brother.. here I think they’re still $2.12 (.12 because .06 on the dollar sales tax)
Ive never gotten this scene in Pacifica, but its actually a very fitting setting considering Pacifica is a testament to corpo greed and corruption
It works very well out in the badlands too, looking out on the highways, corpo farms and barren vistas brought about by the misuse of the land consumed by seemingly endless corporate expansion.
Really just look anywhere in the game and you can see everything Johnny's raging against bleeding out of the pores.
Better than a motel in the middle of the desert
For me I got the conversation between Johnny and V talking about death in Pacifica
Idk really. Johnny is completely right, but the alternative is what we see in Pacifica. A place abandoned by corps
Corps' overruling dominance has basically made them the governing system of the country. They are that which ultimately funds things like public infrastructure and the NCPD. Not a government and taxes. So Pacifica is near enough what it would look like everywhere if there was suddenly no corps and idk if thats any better
The truth is I think that the world as it is in Cyberpunk is far beyond saving. The point of no return happened long ago. And we in the real world should really start waking up to prevent it from happening to us
@ayojit8706 Agreed, I liked the one outside the motel better, the tone and the lighting was more appropriate for this conversation.
I really do love how you go from hating Silverhands asshole behavior at the start to very quickly sympathizing with the character once he explains everything.
Yea i based my Mentality to His from Depressed to Johny Silverhand
To be fair, you are LITERALLY becoming him more and more as the game goes on.
Been feeling like Johny for a long time, but coming at it from a much more eco socialist point of view. Silverhand is much more system agnostic and just cares about the extreme exploitation while talking about some basic pro socialist values (water and land) but I don't think he dislikes capitalism, more so that he hates the extremes lengths current/2020's capitalism went and how it destroyed the future for the people
"If I need your body I'll fuck it-"
*CP77 theme*
NOOOOOO!!! DON'T ABBREVIATE CYBERPUNK HANK!!!
@@scientificallyaccuratetyra4292 Its only now, 3 months later, I realize how fucked it really is.
Same with Cod Points.
I see it now Johnny, we are heading straight for that reality. When they own everything else, they will come for our body and soul.
It’s time to party like 2023 brotha
I feel you, man. This shit rings so damn true and coming closer and closer to reality. It's a scary reality without the cool cyberware. Corporations control our lives. Medical, work life, governmental, everything. They want to control every aspect of our lives. Fight, as Johnny said. Fuck them all and fight with every fiber of your being. Don't let Corporations control you. Live for yourself and those you love!
They already have. Psychological marketing targets you in your ethos, your id. Your inner self. Your soul. Call it what you want. They're literally restructuring our brains through liminal and subliminal advertising to be good consumers.
Your desires, wants, needs, values, your principals, your higher reasoning, the zeitgeist around you - all of it subject to the matrix of prepackaged ideas forcefed to us by soulless demons with marketing degrees.
They already have
Yep...
In my opinion, this was the best scene in the whole game. Johnny sinceres himself, puts the meaning of Cyberpunk on the table. A critic against the neoliberalism and the dehumanization of society.
Gosh, there are like a dozen of these godlike scenes, thus I can't really deside which scene was the best for me. There's powerful Johnny scene at his grave, there are 5 romantic/bond scenes, which felt just out of this world, and so on. Cyberpunk, may be not the best "game" I've played, but surely it gave me the best and the most unforgettable emotions of all kinds
This is not totally true. Saying cyberpunk is against neoliberalism is NOT blatantly wrong, but you’re viewing it from the completely wrong lens. Because saying the takeaway from cyberpunk is specifically anti-neoliberalism is very narrow and shallow and possibly harmful to the actual meaning, because that implies that the game is anti capitalist, at least to a degree, which it is not. Now with the deregulation aspect of neoliberalism, yes, cyberpunk is anti-neoliberal, but everything else no. Cyberpunks focus is on large unregulated corporatism, not capitalism as a whole. Cyberpunk is anti authoritarian, not anti capitalist. Socialism is inherently authoritarian because for it to work everyone would need to comply with the rules of that system and the governing body that would run it, cyberpunks message is that large unregulated corporations have the ability to become an authoritarian body. Regarding Johnnys quote, “same shit, different packaging”. It’s also a critique on the misinformed anti-capitalist punk culture as a whole, because punks can’t be against authority but favor an economy and system that relies on compliance. It’s about protecting healthy capitalism, about stopping the exceptionally greedy from creating a system that isn’t truly capitalist. “A war on the forces of entropy” is referring to human greed, it’s the same reason unregulated corporations become bad, and the same reason that communist and socialist methods don’t work, the system will eventually spiral out of control, the authoritative body will abuse the power it has.
@@SelFreeLionsLMFAO WRONG
@@SelFreeLions almost every word of this is wrong. Cyberpunk is anti-capitalist. Socialism is not "authoritarian" because that word is absolutely meaningless.
@@demsochimbo5383 don’t know how it’s meaningless but alright. So far both replies to my comment are just “you’re wrong” with no explanation of your claim. The idea of socialism isn’t inherently authoritarian, but when used in practice it sure is lmao.
Its funny how this can fit in today's world so accurately
Yep and plus what makes it better is it applies to both sides of the political cess pool and here's the thing not many like to admit or too dumb to know it always has all over the fkn world.
@@noneedtoknow-yv2tu it’s like it happened right under nose but the truth is we allowed it
Yeah...
The thesis of the entire game
Pov Costco employees hearing the 50th rant after they inevitably raise the price of their hotdogs
The moment the hotdog prices raise, we know it's too late.
This conversation is not so different from what’s happening right now in our world. It’s terrifying, but we are seeing this future unfold before our eyes little by little.
Yep and by enlarge most of the population is okay with it. The only way to deal with it is to protest, or terrorism, but people see protesting as an inherently evil thing that inconveniences others while terrorism is something less than 1 in a million is willing to risk to do for a possible brighter future (I am not that one in a million nor do I advocate for terrorism). The corporations have already won in my eyes. They've successfully managed to distract or enforce such horrible living conditions that they have no/cannot have an impact on the future. Instead the masses follow the news anchors/influences like good dogs (some attack dogs), waiting for it to tell them "X group bad (distracting you from the real problem, which is your socio economic conditions and corporations continual exploitation)" or "Y man is bad (distracting you from whatever good you could (helping in a soup kitchen or protesting are good examples) do instead of listening to them reaffirm your hatred of this bad man)". I mean, hell, that's exactly what I'm/we're doing right now. I'm personally just a nihilist and gave up a long time ago
@@zugetzuzu FINALLY someone who knows exactly what I'm talking about,nihilism I know her well. People always forget her last name is reality.
1:14 he said the thing!
*insert "I'll fuck it" meme*
I genuinely love this game for the reason alone it brings up deep discussions about the ideals people hold dear and where the world is headed next.
This reads like the Tears in Rain monologue from Blade Runner haha.
I think that's the intention.
Not even close. 2 totally different concepts. The first Blade Runner is a profound philosophical debate about what it means to be human and having the right to live as a synth. The second movie is a pretty but empty shell where the main character is just doing a quest from A to B. In cyberpunk, it's a mish mash of many ideas.
@@SlashRfnR I wouldn't say it's a "mish mash" of many ideas. Yes, there are lots of ideas and life lessons, but the game is also much bigger than just a one movie. There are many separate stories in the game, each with it's own idea, they aren't really mashed. The main story line probably shares some lessons with "
For Whom the Bell Tolls", about how facing death affects you.
But "in summary", including side quests, I'd say that the main point of the game was that you don't really want or need to throw your life away trying to become a well-known legend, instead you can meet beloved people and help them, unintentionally becoming a legend of their own.
1:14 There’s Johnny being a horndog again haha. I can hear the Cyberpunk theme playing already.
"dont worry guys i wont get too political"
Me after two beers:
Hey, it's Shadow the Hedgehog
arasaka: "hey do you guys hear something?"
V dressed as a red army soldier: *soviet national anthem starts playing*
This is how I’m feeling about Sony after killing HELLDIVERS
😂😂
Sony were assholes but I don't think you get the point of what was said in this cutscene if that's how you took it
I mean, Helldivers isn't to different from cyberpunk in terms of their criticism of capitalism, just a different coat of paint.
“Do whatever it takes to stop em, defeat em, gut em. If I need to kill, I’ll kill. If I need your body I’ll fuckin take it.
Johnny can make anyone a renegade
i can't believe how people in my country thinks that our polish Silverhand played by Michał Żebrowski is better than Keanu.
They still don't see it. But they will one day.
Because people can have different opinions. I've played both versions because I wanted to listen to the dialogues the way that the writers came up with them and the VA Zebrowski was outstanding. Keanu is a both a great actor and a voice actor but it's not such a big gap that people can't prefer the other one
I haven't heard it, but I've heard Keanu. He's got a real charisma, but he's not a good actor.
Keanu Reeves was amazing in this game. Not once did i even remember he was an actor, i rewatched john wick and the matrix and it doesn’t feel right seeing him in other roles anymore. He is such an amazing portrayal of silverhand, even how he looks, everything is just right.
@@JayAreAitch I think Keanu is a great action star but his dialogue is usually flat. Perfect for john y though as that just worked. But in like John Wick when he talks sometimes its always like "ehhhh" but then he does cool gun stuff and im right back invested
@@PippyPopsSelfHarmMonica This is exactly it. He's best in stuff where being a good actor isn't important, which sounds like more of an insult than it is.
HES SPITTING!!
My absolute favorite moment in the game. I wanted to rebel against the system after hearing this speech.
Maybe you ought to
You still don’t see it, but you will one day. So many times I said this to someone…
Same...
How do more people not understand the systems fucked all ways,all sides? How can people be so fucking blind! Us little folk are just puppets to them slimy suits and they pull our strings to advertise who, what to love,what to wear the list goes on til the end of fuckin time.
You know what's funny, this line from a game that was created by a billion dollar corporation that most likely have mistreated it's employees.
Yeah it’s also why Amazon releases series like the boys which is also inherently anti capitalist, because at the end of the day no one will do anything about it
I mean look at the state it was launched in. The higher ups wanted their bonuses and virtually forced them to release it early.
I mean, yeah. It's awful that people get overworked and harassed like they so often do in game making (I usually stay away from studios/publishers that do this on a large scale, Ubisoft, Blizzard, etc), while not even being sure they'll keep their job because of layoffs. That's how capitalism works, and Cyberpunk as a genre is a commentary on capitalism
@@adamburgess7890 I don't think we should worry about the launch state and the executive's bonuses (even though it's the executives fault for the mistreatment of the employees) as much as we should worry about the overworked employees who might be cut at any time and often gets discriminated against and harassed, but IDK perhaps that's just a radical idea to care for human lives... What Johnny's speech to some degree was about
@@zugetzuzu Thats what I meant yeah, the development of the game was a mirror of the story it was trying to tell.
Best scene in the game in my opinion considering his past
When your Son asks you what Corona Lockdown was like:
This speech always hits me in the chest
Johnny has a point, but so does V later on if you choose to throw him into the net. V basically says “you blew up arasaka and killed a lot of innocent people, you may not have agreed with them but it’s their choice. And without choice, we have nothing in life”. Johnny is too short sighted, that’s why he blew up arasaka tower with a nuke. He doesn’t see the bigger picture where you have to actually gain the public’s support and have half the population backing you up. Without that, the “revolution” or “reset” of our society would mean nothing at all. Just another war of attrition without common law.
Nuke wasn't Johnny's it was militecs johnny only joined the mission to save alt the Johnny you see in game has had his his memories edited aka unreliable narrative this is cyberpunk lore
@@subjectnivleis7572he dropped the nuke because of alt dying by corpo hands
the nuke was supposed to go off in the sublevels but the elevator got stuck and caused an air detonation. his goal was always to drop Arasaka Tower, not murder a bunch of random NC citizens.
also that "half the population backing you up" is just historically inaccurate and logistically wrong.
@@da-jonmcfadden2827Johnny's memories are false. Militech dropped the nuke as an act of aggression against arasaka. THe whole thiNg was a corpo mission headed by hired mercs like Blackhand and Johnny was just roped in to be the perfect patsy.
Even sadder that his existential rage against the corps was just bent into another act of corpo espionage. Not only did he affect no change, he essentially aided his enemies in further destroying the world.
That was not Johnny's plan, that was Militech's solution to Arasaka's new soulkiller weapon, Militech had to push Arasaka hard all or nothing or risk losing to the newest netrunner killer
This is the closest to real reason why he dropped a bomb and killed so many.
Me after the two for $5.50 monsters go up to $7.50
Me after MS closing Tango Gameworks.
Let him cook! Then, we cook Arasaka
Johnny Silverhand 2077
I wish he mentioned the corps putting chemicals in the water that turns the freaking frogs gay
What i can make of myself right now.
exactly what i felt when solving the cube for the 3rd time
literally got pissed off thinking about it and gave my own version of this speech to someone about dubai
This currently describes the situation of our country of America today, but switch around a few things instead of corpos we have the "our" u.s. government who is corrupt to all hell and sadly we have no one like johnny or v on our side
The very American way created this though. In the end, socialist ideologs of early 20th century are being proved right, it seems.
The capitalist, individualist, liberal system itself is unsustainable, modern governments of democracies aren't there to protect the rights of populace, it's there to protect this system.
And this system, by its very nature, creates bottlenecks, bubbles, fraudulent markets and nonstop corporate greed and tech firms nowadays, are becoming unstoppable even by governments themselves.
Are you realising big tech are fast becoming monopolies in their own specialised fields of operation? Like Amazon, Uber, Apple and Google? And even the idea of a competitors from these in free market seems ridicilous nowadays?
And these aren't classical capitalists either, they're bringing feudalism back. It's not even capitalism anymore, these corps create their own digital fiefdoms, subordinate actual capitalists who try to make profit in these fiefdoms, and get rent from their work and trade. Amazon creates next to nothing, but it sucks a shit ton of money thanks to the monopoly it's built in international markets. Any alternative is incapable of actually competing the massive scale of Amazon except for Chinese corps, that're even worse, a capitalist corporation that's intertwined with an oppressive government
Rosa Luxenburg had it right: The choice is not socialism or capitalism, the choice is socialism or barbarism
Thing is, socialism is also dead, social democracies are dying, Europe is becoming a political circus, and this hellish new world seems irreversible
The fact you're differentiating Corpos from the Gov means you missed the point somewhere on the way. In modern America they've become one and the same, Cyberpunk is a warning of what will come if we don't amend that issue
@ramblingrenegade6346 yes my brother preach it
@@ramblingrenegade6346and take Raiden’s speech from Metal Gear Rising to heart too. They only care lining up their own pockets and approval ratings with no sense of principles at all just like all the rest.
Pretty much what Rambling said. This isn't necessarily about government as a whole. It's about capitalism and its effects on society.
Me when kfc remove their hot wings for chicken nuggets because they want to simplify their menu because they dont want their employees brains to overload
Is there a specific quest to complete for this dialogue? Or is there just a random bench to go to?
Have to pick specific Dialogue whenever you sit down on a bench it's kinda scripted but not really
@ayojit8706I only got after the clouds mission
My favorite part about Johnnys motives, actions, and history are that none of them are put in either a good or bad light.
The game clearly lays out his horrible atrocities, his righteous motives, everything in between and leaves it all up for the player to decide who he is.
What song from the soundtrack is this?
Strange... I got this after doing the automatic love mission, is this scene randomly triggered in main mission?
I think this conversaton takes place after the *second* you complete of the following; Going to Clouds, Finding Anders Hellman, and the whole thing with the Voodoo boys. All of these have different variations where V will sit down somewhere to speak with Johnny, but the order in which you do them also changes some of the details a bit.
It takes place during the second occurrence of Tapeworm iirc, which occurs after Automatic Love, Transmission, Search and Destroy and Life During Wartime. Place where it takes place differs depending on which main job you complete second
what song plays during this speech?
It’s an unreleased track, called “The Relic”, easy to find it on youtube
“Look, I don’t care about your politics.”
It's a shame this wasn't actually a theme that was explored in the actual game
But there's like a LOT of missions that talks about those problems
Because the theme is this is what happens when you let the system win. There are no good endings cus it’s to late you can’t save the city or the world and you can barley save yourself
Homie the game itself is the exploration, everything you see in game is in one way or another, a result of late stage capitalism (as is with almost anything in the cyberpunk genre)
The game IS the exploration. The message is crystal clear. It doesn't matter how many different endings you do, the corporation will ALWAYS win. Judy even tells you at the start of the game.
It's amazing how people can look at a man who killed 10k people and praise him all because he said "muh corpos bad" it's the same deal as Ted kaczinsky he had good views but did nothing to accomplish it
He punched a militech apologist (aka punched a random civilian and didn't do anything to stop militech)
and killed 10k people not harming Arasaka at all, I like JS he's funny and if you play chippin in he's semi redeemed but to see people idolize him is hilarious and sad
You know, he's saying all these things I'd otherwise agree with, but this entire time all I could think of was "My fucking god Keanu can't act! 😤😤"
We all knows that he hate corps cause of girlfriend
Nah, it was long before he met her
Nintendo in a nutshell...
This part i dont take it serious maybe '-'. Keep uploading vids they are sooo useful ( also im first to like )
Micro$oft gaming....
Capitalism is a thorn in our side. Sad to see Johnny go to waste under capitalist propaganda.
isn’t it the opposite? if johnny liked capitalism, he wouldn’t say it’s a thorn in his side. So how’d he fall for capitalist propaganda?
@@talpho3301 he said it isn't a thorn in his side, made an excuse for it, while actually describing symptoms of capitalism
@@sobanya_228It’s a thorn in YOUR side. Not ours. Do not presume to speak for others when your beliefs are so utterly dogshit.
@@sobanya_228 "made an excuse for it"
My brother in Christ, he literally said in the previous sentence that he declared war against the system, he dropped a fucking nuke on said corpos just to get a point across and you call him a waste under capitalist propaganda?
Imma be real, despite the lack of hindsight for all the people that unintentionally got fucked by that, hes done more to fight capitalism than most people would, especially dropping a fucking nuke
it's funny, considering how USSR hasn't collapsed in Cyberpunk universe and is the same type of shithole.
Almost as if it's not the economic system that is bad, but it's implementation.
Johnny in this game actually nearly radicalized me irl. Maybe parent were right about videogames but more likely maybe im just incredibly susceptible to radicalization. Always did have a problem with the idea that these suits up top control our lives, keep shit from us "for our owm good" (yeah fucking right), make the rules and break their owm rules, take the profit from us they we make working for them and etc.Not to mention the boatlaods of corruption going on behind the scenes. It was easy to not get radicalized when all the people who says shit like this are normally on a far side of a politcal spectrum and have shitty opinions mixed in there. But Johnny... Johnny i find oddly charismatic. He's an asshole but he's my kinda asshole
This is a modernized version of the criticisms of capitalism. This language is found directly in the red book written by a man named Karl. You know the one.
This isn't about radicalization. It's pointing out the obvious. Doing what Johnny wants to do about makes sense in his position because it's at a point where it can't be fixed by normal means.
I mean, it’s not so much radical thought as it is literally just recognizing that the greedy mfs in power want you to essentially become their slave. It’s ultra late stage capitalism where the nobility class from the medieval ages has come back, and they think they’re untouchable. As one of our founding fathers (Patrick Henry) in the US would say,
“Give me liberty, or give me death!”
Johnny Silverhand = Hero
he is a an anti-villain if you want to put him somewhere .
@@andrei-cezarbleaje5519whatever you say gonk. Yk he's right about all sides of politics this shit has always applied whether you go to the big bang theory or the nuclear heat death of the universe Johnny's right. Corporations, politicians only care about us if we can line their pockets.