Plain vs FANCY!...Federal .45 Auto Battle!

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  • @cgsimons1187
    @cgsimons1187 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    A handgun bullet which expands to a diameter that dwarfs a 12-gauge shotgun slug is absolutely amazing. The HST in .45 is indeed, like you said, the alpha round.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Crazy good stuff.

    • @thomascronan9964
      @thomascronan9964 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets qq+

    • @deejayimm
      @deejayimm ปีที่แล้ว

      The expanded 45 was .1 larger than a non-fired 12g.
      Except a self-defense slug will have around twice the velocity and nearly five times the energy.
      You 45 worshipers really do drink some crazy Kool-Aid.
      It's a very good round for sure, but you're comparing a rifled musket to a cannon.

    • @paulscountry456
      @paulscountry456 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      A center shot and no surgeon could put Humpty back together again.

    • @mrbreck1
      @mrbreck1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For decades i carried a glock 30 as my off duty and personal firearm. I used federal ammo, usually hydra shoks. Some times my round would expand when i tested the ammo some times not but a 45 is still a .45. If my bullet expanded it was amazing otherwise i figured it was good enough. Bullet tech has come a long way and as i have aged into my fifties i decided it was time to get a smaller lighter firearm and carry a 9mm now. Thank you for testing these rounds as both are in my gun safe.

  • @ronaldperkins4222
    @ronaldperkins4222 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    The trifecta. A subsonic round that punches an .80 caliber hole 16 inches deep. Can't ask for much more from a handgun. 👏

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Fantastic stuff.😎👊

    • @wizardofahhhs759
      @wizardofahhhs759 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yep, a 12ga. slug is in the neighborhood of .72 so that's a helluva hole made by a handgun.

  • @MeMadeIt
    @MeMadeIt ปีที่แล้ว +28

    When I gave my son my Colt 1911, I also gave him a box of HSTs. And, for my diehard FMJ friend, your previous HST test opened his eyes, and I gave him a box of HSTs for his birthday. 👍

  • @Dwayne7834
    @Dwayne7834 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    HST is a good bullet in most calibers. They never seem to let you down in the gel test. . Thanks for video.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yessir. They earn their paycheck.😎👍

  • @Adam-nv9zo
    @Adam-nv9zo ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I can't tell you how much I appreciate these tests. Gotta love HST. Awesome video, as always, brother.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Appreciate the support, my friend!😎👍

  • @boogerdog5247
    @boogerdog5247 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The Federal blue box had extremely good standard deviation. Tight, tight! Can't say that for the HST Premium.
    Federal Premium in Nosler has been my go to in .270 since the late 80's or early 90's...Never saw any caliber in Federal Premium that wasn't top tier...awesome bullet yes indeed.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Doesn't surprise me. The blue box is fairly old. Back when at least one or two people gave a crap about what they were doing.

  • @steelpunisher6944
    @steelpunisher6944 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Nice!!! Ole Dolly would be proud of your version. 😂. The HST is just a beast in .45. When I carry my G30 I have it topped off with the 230+p HST’s. I’ve actually taken a pig with it and my G20 and both bullets looked almost like that except a couple petals were a little bent where it went through a rib but performed perfectly. I wasn’t holding my breath with this test. It’s just a top tier round. Awesome video as always 👍🇺🇸

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely a beast of a round.😎👍

  • @rogerwood5228
    @rogerwood5228 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I swear you're the hardest working man on TH-cam, Tools! Thanks again!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Appreciate that!😎👊

    • @sanhxhebsbbb1048
      @sanhxhebsbbb1048 ปีที่แล้ว

      I second that. You do an amazing job sir keep it up please 👍

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sanhxhebsbbb1048 Thank you sir.

    • @virtuaguyverify
      @virtuaguyverify ปีที่แล้ว

      Sexiest man too

    • @anangryranger
      @anangryranger ปีที่แล้ว

      You betcha! You put the muscle to the hustle!👍😁

  • @delles1548
    @delles1548 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been handloading and shooting the HST for several years, and it has replaced my old standbys of the old Remington Golden Saber and the Speer Gold Dot (Both good performers). It is the bullet loaded in my bedside 45 ACP 13 shot XD, and when I carry a 45 ACP for defense, it is my goto bullet of choice loaded to +P pressure at 925fps.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice to know what you're gonna get from em.😎👍

    • @delles1548
      @delles1548 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets We knew years ago by shooting them in wet newsprint, clay and then the old type ballistic gel. Thanks for the clear gel test

  • @g54b95
    @g54b95 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had a thought...since there are always variations in the muzzle velocity from round to round, have you ever taken the 'loser' and fired 5 shots into the jelly contraption to see if any of the 5 expand? The single shot test might have been a lower velocity round. With .45 ACP, a small difference in muzzle velocity could make a big difference in expansion (compared to faster calibers). Great video. That HST is no joke!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you sir. I don't have the time to do something like that and keep pumping out videos almost daily. The problem is it doesn't matter how long I make the videos by putting in more content, it will only get watched for the same amount of time as a standard 10 to 15 minute gel video. Blame TH-cam watchers short attention span.😆

  • @billdye3530
    @billdye3530 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    HST looked awfully good. You know after you show good performance on a round the local prices go up 10% the next day 😂. Good job!!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      😂😂😂 I gotta start buying all I want from my local shop before I show stuff too. People not too far away buy it up after I show it.😆😆😆

    • @billdye3530
      @billdye3530 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@ToolsandTargetsBut the crappy stuff should drop 20% & it doesn't. Not fair. 😂😂

    • @gk5891
      @gk5891 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you happen to find an old box the Federal Tactical Bonded is really good as well. I'm out of the .45 but still carry the 135 gr + P in my 9mm.

  • @josephpacchetti5997
    @josephpacchetti5997 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    HSTs are hard to beat, It's what my mags are stuffed with, great test my friend! 👍 🇺🇸

  • @ironmikehallowween
    @ironmikehallowween ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That 45 ACP HST is an absolute beast! Thanks for the video.

  • @upperroomtoo
    @upperroomtoo ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I used to deer hunt with the Winchester white box 230 JHP. It was a lot like the blue box Federal but it did a good job on deer out to 50yd.

  • @codynipper2460
    @codynipper2460 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I get a kick out of buying and trying different kinds of hollowpoints but everytime I watch one of your HST gel tests it proves to me I only really need to stockup on one brand lol HST is the king! Good video Tools. You deserve all the views and subs that are inevitably headed your way.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the same thing when I test em. Appreciate that!😎👊

  • @RL-RL
    @RL-RL ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Very surprising that both met the speed criteria. But the surprising star of the show was the HST. I didn't think it would perform as good like you said. 👍

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great stuff.

    • @andreawhalen4142
      @andreawhalen4142 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets don't let the 890fps fool you, a retired individual assured me how effective 45acp hst rounds are in a self defense situation, and his side arm wasn't even a 5inch barrel. He was talking within ten feet but said everyone who carries should be using them because of how immediately effective they are, and it was 45acp regardless what the nay sayers claim, he says bs because they got the job done with horrifying results in 45acp.

  • @donskiver
    @donskiver ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The HST performed as well as expected. A little disappointing that the blue box didn't hardly expand...still would leave a big hole though.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep, it would let the juice out for sure.

  • @gavinpearcy6094
    @gavinpearcy6094 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    First of all, I wanna thank you for always responding to the comment. I have an extra suggestion on the Phoenix Arms hp22a or hp25a. See what kind of ammo run in the gun. The gun is known for being picky with ammo.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      You gonna cause me to have to buy one of them things just to test.😂

  • @johnanderson3405
    @johnanderson3405 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I’ve never been disappointed with the HST in any caliber. That stuff is the real deal!

  • @ronaldbarnes8302
    @ronaldbarnes8302 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The blue box was amazingly consistent and left a decent track, but HST once again impresses. Haven’t tried the blue box, have some HST’s for my G36. Thanks for the test Tools!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, both of em left some good marks.😎👍

    • @BlakeHouse-j3u
      @BlakeHouse-j3u ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, the old school jhp was designed before heavy clothing gel testing was a thing . The various old school 230 jhp do pretty well with less cloth In-between.
      And the old timers would point out " A 230 jhp that doesn't expand , is still at least as good as Hardball " .

  • @guardianminifarm8005
    @guardianminifarm8005 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    HST just performs. Out of our 3.3 S&W Shields we never got less than 850 and most ran @ 870s with +P offering. My wife and one of my daughters carry the +P HST in this Shield. Every type of test we put it through it looked like your sample here. Good test.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you sir. I was torn between using the standard or +P. I personally would use +P in any caliber when I have the choice, but I know some people don't like to.

    • @guardianminifarm8005
      @guardianminifarm8005 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ToolsandTargets We ran a 5 round test out of all of our Shields a few years ago with all the main offerings standard and +P. My ladies are typical sized young adult "healthy" ladies. I am a largish fella exceeding 6' tall and 200 & too much 😃. None of us could discern any difference in recoil from standard to +P. Can you tell it?

  • @HalfCrazy520
    @HalfCrazy520 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 230 grain HST is what's in my EDC pistol. I have seen that same performance from a 3.3" barrel.

  • @jeffreybean5363
    @jeffreybean5363 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The HST is the way to go for 45acp.. Great Ammo test Tools 👍🇺🇸..

  • @YellowHammer26
    @YellowHammer26 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    👍👍Thanks tools. To me this test shows how important bullet construction is and although you need a certain amount of velocity rounds can expand at a lower velocity if the bullet is constructed correctly. Also that is a really good looking pistol with those grips.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you sir. Definitely a great example.

  • @drew55974
    @drew55974 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And is the reason I carry hst. It does as advertised. I carry the same one in my 42 it is a good combo. Usp is filled with hst too.

  • @palmettocynic8482
    @palmettocynic8482 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No reason to doubt the .45 230 gr HSTs. Of course you know that now. These have been my go to in my bedside .45 for at least 5 years now. Awesome test! Tool is the Springfield XDS, probably the most ergo .45 I've ever had, with 13 +1 of "breaking in here was a really bad idea" 230 gr HSTs.

  • @miker9043
    @miker9043 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another good one Tools ! that HST has ridiculous expansion ! makes me want a new tool in 45 acp !

  • @donsteilberg9050
    @donsteilberg9050 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, I love my HST’s. You are definitely one of the best on TH-cam. Thank you.

  • @Beaver108
    @Beaver108 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    +P .45 HST might give a little more push, but it's still an outstanding round!! That's why it's my favorite.

  • @robertdonaldson2321
    @robertdonaldson2321 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    As expected, HST crushes the competition 😊

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Guess I shouldn't even be surprised anymore.😎👍

  • @lens7859
    @lens7859 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    From watching all your tests I have to say thank you and now all my carry guns have HST or Gold Dot's in them.

  • @timrobinson6573
    @timrobinson6573 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice Test. Great expansion and penetration from the HST. The only reason I don't carry a 45 is the decreased capacity compared to 40 and 9mm.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some big ol chunks of lead.😆

    • @randallflores-qr8cs
      @randallflores-qr8cs ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Mine carries 15 rounds. If 15 rounds of 45acp doesn't get the job done, you got big troubles amigo.

    • @darrylmuse9948
      @darrylmuse9948 ปีที่แล้ว

      My XD.45 13 rounds till we got banned in NJ to 10 rounds

    • @rsbreeze
      @rsbreeze ปีที่แล้ว

      They make double stacks! Check out Para Ordinance.

  • @bobg.8954
    @bobg.8954 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not only did you give me info on those awesome grips but you gave me a Reba reference and a Dr Phil reference lol. Great video T!

  • @64samsky
    @64samsky ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Federal HST is always a good choice in a lot of calibers. Sometimes not the best, but always near the top.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yessir. Great stuff on this one.😎👍

  • @maxmccain8950
    @maxmccain8950 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man, those HST’s continue to amaze me. Another great video, as usual. I simply have to watch every new vid you produce.

  • @jaredgreen5840
    @jaredgreen5840 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Once again the HST doesn't disappoint... Maybe try to get your hands on the +P version and test it out of some different barrel lengths if you could 😉 👍

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Got a few boxes of +P's.😎👍

    • @BlakeHouse-j3u
      @BlakeHouse-j3u ปีที่แล้ว

      Ehh . .82 expansion, and 16 inch penetration, isn't leaving anything on the table .... in a 5 inch .
      The potential purpose for a +P , would be for shorter bbls to get velocities closer to the std round from the 5 inch .

  • @johnshields9110
    @johnshields9110 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your videos! Straight to the point and showing the performance of the cartridges! If you could find some older Winchester 180 grain Silvertips (or something similar), I'd like to see that jell block performance.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Appreciate that. I'll do some digging.😎👍

  • @Dennismadeacomment
    @Dennismadeacomment ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nice to see a full weight 230gr perform HST 💥🏆

  • @rjw261984
    @rjw261984 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    HST continues to show why it is the king of self defense rounds. 🇺🇸

  • @chretired
    @chretired ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nice test with interesting results Tools. Even if you can't go the HST, price or availability, the blue box might be good enough. Either way I don't want to be on the receiving end of either round.
    Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, either one of these would spell a bad day.😆

    • @jason200912
      @jason200912 ปีที่แล้ว

      Get 2 box of hst and 10 boxes of fmj then.

  • @Nutty.357
    @Nutty.357 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That blue box did ok but the HST is the Star 🌟for sure! Good stuff brother! 💥💥

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't want either one comin at me.😆

    • @Nutty.357
      @Nutty.357 ปีที่แล้ว

      That aint no doubt! me neither!! lol

  • @marcthomas2482
    @marcthomas2482 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looks like I need to pick up a box of HST's for when I want to carry the 1911. Great video Tools!

  • @buzsalmon
    @buzsalmon ปีที่แล้ว +2

    HST is hard to beat! Never used blue box. Good video Tools!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you sir. Hope you're doing good!

  • @doctorschoolgraduate5444
    @doctorschoolgraduate5444 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lol I was gonna ask you about the those sweet grips too. Keep up tha great work

  • @michaelegert1284
    @michaelegert1284 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dont know why would anyone save a couple dollar and buy crappy ammo to bet its life on it. A good bullet its priceless

  • @mikebott6940
    @mikebott6940 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Would love to see tests of the way that many companies load .45 now: 160 - 180 grain hollow points.

  • @KD-lb9bg
    @KD-lb9bg ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, HST has been the king for several years now, and at standard velocity too.
    Thanks for another fine round of jelly time testing.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, it really is great stuff.😎👍

  • @frank6029
    @frank6029 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No surprise, the HST did absolutely fantastic Stay Safe and God Bless 🙏🙏

  • @mikefranklin1253
    @mikefranklin1253 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I liked Winchester Ranger but it failed when shot through denim. I have switched to HST.

  • @picwik281
    @picwik281 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the test. I don’t carry the 45acp anymore but I’ve still got a half a dozen or so. I was surprised at the expansion at such a low velocity

  • @truthhurts7836
    @truthhurts7836 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Will definitely get some of the HST very nice expansion. Another great video keep them coming 👍.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you sir. They weren't messin around.

  • @v73133
    @v73133 ปีที่แล้ว

    That blue box stuff uses the old Hi Shock bullet design from many decades ago. I think they're a pre Hydra-Shok bullet.

  • @CornFedGrimlin
    @CornFedGrimlin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful performance. I wish you would have included a shorter barrel tool as a comparison, although I’m sure you probably already did that in another video. Thx

  • @alanex5225
    @alanex5225 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting results. I like to use the full length Government Model when possible but It's realy handy to tote around the Commanders, Officer Models.

  • @randybrunson2339
    @randybrunson2339 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That HST looks devastating !!!

  • @bobloblaw6326
    @bobloblaw6326 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Didn't even know federal made blue box personal defense. Keep on showing us those options Tools!

  • @grimsleeper653
    @grimsleeper653 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I appreciate your intelligence and mathematical skills that you apply to ballistic statistics.

  • @clintwestwood1895
    @clintwestwood1895 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The .45 auto HST is excellent for Jackal defense.

  • @jackbaird5235
    @jackbaird5235 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always tools! You are my go guy for ammo testing hands down keep up the great work

  • @nikos6220
    @nikos6220 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That Blue Box is really a head scratcher. What are they doing there? Its like needing a convertible in the lineup and cutting off the top section of a sedan to get there.

  • @adrianmateogunz
    @adrianmateogunz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review brother. Thanks for sharing Sir. I am learning a lot from you buddy. Keep those great videos coming!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊

  • @trustnot9
    @trustnot9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great test, i have hsts in 9mm now i have to get some in 45 for sure.thank you, my friend..

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you sir. Old faithful.😎👍

    • @trustnot9
      @trustnot9 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets Yes sir it is👍

  • @robertseafield5810
    @robertseafield5810 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good test. HST looks perfect. I would use the lighter HST for carry. Some 45 autos have shorter barrels that might not make the right speed for expansion.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you sir.

    • @jona5517
      @jona5517 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually it has been tested out of shorter barrels and was a fine performer. Also the 185 grain HST of course did well. Another sold round is Speer Gold Dots 230 grain both regular and short barrel are great out of a shorter barrel .45acp.

  • @threefortyduster
    @threefortyduster ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would be interested to see if the basic bullet would perform better with the extra velocity and vice versa. Ever thought about taking two similar rounds and pulling the bullets and swapping them?

  • @natjonestower3035
    @natjonestower3035 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    HST wins again. I just picked up a box of 230g Sig v-crowns for a good price an hour ago. Wonder how they do out of a 3.3 inch, because that's where they're going.

  • @keithtate1241
    @keithtate1241 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for another great jelly test. No contest the HST rules. Have a great evening and keep shooting 😊.

  • @bretkoesser
    @bretkoesser ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't carry a .45 but I do keep some 230gr HST's for home defense. It's HST for me in calibers like 9mm, .40, .45

  • @Bob-lq9ys
    @Bob-lq9ys ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HST for the big win, another great tools test, Keep them coming brother

  • @roberthancock2563
    @roberthancock2563 ปีที่แล้ว

    Be cool to see the HST 230gr. +P test. Great video! Thanks so much for doing these tests👍

  • @tannernorton7868
    @tannernorton7868 ปีที่แล้ว

    The HST never dissapoints me in my test but im always useing the + p out of a full size it's almost impossible to find the HST here where I'm at that is not +p it's like the gun stores here don't keep them in stock as far as the HST goes unless they are + p mine always mushroom out just like that perfect every time if I'm hitting gel if you shoot them into a 5 gal bucket of water standing above aiming straight down I don't recommend anyone do this but I have and those things mushroom just like it shows on the box or even prettier and they lose like absolutely zero weight

  • @mhmt1453
    @mhmt1453 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you get any stoppages shooting JHP through that Rock Island? I was always told to only use ball ammo with a 1911, and my nephew complained to me that he couldn’t cycle hollow points through his Rock Island. I have a few 1911s, but they’re all quality brands. I’ve never had any such problem feeding JHPs.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Never. I've probably run about every hollow point made by now through it and never a single problem.😎👍

  • @Dennisthemenace40
    @Dennisthemenace40 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The HST is a phenomenal design, it’s performance is no surprise. I’m curious as to how the original benchmark, the Hydra-shok, would compare to the current champ HST.

  • @rob.3575
    @rob.3575 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good to see the standard pressure HST do so well as that's what I use in my FNX. 15+1 should get the job done.

  • @jeffroberts760
    @jeffroberts760 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would guess that blue box is the same as another product they have called “Train and Protect VHP” - bullet and case look exactly the same to me - are the primers sealed in yours?

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Could be. I'm sure they use the bullet somewhere else since I don't think they package this blue box anymore. They don't have any colored sealer and it doesn't look like there's any clear on it either.

  • @svtkilr
    @svtkilr ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Tools man I love those HSTs that is what I carry in my G43X Mos 5 124gr HSTs and 5 124gr +P Gold Dots 5 and 5 of the nothing but the best with a spare mag of the same but with 2Underwood Xtreme penetrators at the bottom just in case I need to penetrate something lol

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      That's like a Golden Corral buffet in your mags!😜

  • @jonclark8155
    @jonclark8155 ปีที่แล้ว

    In my Glock 21 I use PDX1’s Hornday and Remington umc’s 230g &185g jhp’s. I haven’t seen the federal hst’s around here in the Deep South. Good shooting.

  • @1madmaxx80
    @1madmaxx80 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great test again Tools! Sometimes saving a few bucks up front isn't really worth it. I recently picked up a couple boxes of Remington UMC .45acp 230gr JHP for not a lot of Chinadian dollars. Have you any experience with those? Hopefully I didn't get hosed too bad LoL. Appreciate ya brother
    👍😎

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The only test I think I've done with them was one of the very first ones I ever did and only had a few rounds of it. They did pretty good on that one from what I remember, but might need to see if there are any around to do a new one.

    • @1madmaxx80
      @1madmaxx80 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets I searched the back catalog, and sure enough there was a test! They seemed to perform decent enough considering the price point. If I could, I'd send you some to test but our governments don't like law abiding citizens sending ammunition/firearms to each other. My sister came up for Easter, but she was flying this time so she didn't bring us any goodies. She's in Chattanooga. Cheers! 👍😎

  • @azazelakira12
    @azazelakira12 ปีที่แล้ว

    This what a man will carry, I liked the blue box

  • @jameshood9694
    @jameshood9694 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is one you have not tested that I would like to see. I cannot find where anyone has a video on it. The Federal Tactical Bonded 230 grain 45 acp +P. It's supposed to be as good as HST but bonded.

  • @sanyihegedu
    @sanyihegedu 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    12 Guage is ~0.79" diameter.
    The 0.82" expanded 45 ACP Federal HST is very impressive.

  • @CharlesHuyck-cf6yz
    @CharlesHuyck-cf6yz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For 45 the 230 grain hydroshok is best rated at 900 fpe and I get 898 average rocks.

  • @black_dog_barks
    @black_dog_barks ปีที่แล้ว

    TN outdoors 9 tested the HST 10 years ago...same results...😊

  • @chrismorley9127
    @chrismorley9127 ปีที่แล้ว

    That HST was beautiful! Good video. Thanks Tool. 👍🇺🇸

  • @doyleblackwell661
    @doyleblackwell661 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did it open up on one side ( blue box ) because it tumbled or did it tumble because of asymmetrical expansion creating more drag on one side. Chicken or egg.

  • @jeffreyrobertson7652
    @jeffreyrobertson7652 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great jelly test Tools love the HST Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you sir. It always seems to get the job done.😎👍

  • @alm9951
    @alm9951 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shoot! More ammo to collect! Ive never seen that federal blue box jhp. I want a box for my collection and I want it NOW! Thanks for another cool vid!

  • @l.a.3887
    @l.a.3887 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great test I appreciate all you do on these videos great job I love 45acp

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you sir. A lot of lead goin downrange from these big boys.😎👍

  • @greybeard277
    @greybeard277 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glad the HST did what it is supposed to. Thanks.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't know why I had any doubts.😎👍

  • @rickhofsess84
    @rickhofsess84 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey TT, excelent video as usual, thanks!

  • @45acp
    @45acp ปีที่แล้ว

    I ordered some 185 gr. HP 45 acp, but haven't shot any yet.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      185 is probably the sweet spot for most .45 hp's.

  • @CeltKnight
    @CeltKnight ปีที่แล้ว

    The rational me knows it's not the caliber, it's the placement (assuming sufficient oomph to get to the essential plumbing). BUT there's just SOMETHING about a .45 that makes me believe in it beyond any other non-magnum round. :D The blue-box wasn't super but would still put a hurting on a bad guy (and anyone behind him), better than ball, IMHO. But that HST ... wow, can I get an Amen?
    My old dept way back in the day issued 230 gr Hydra-Shoks. If I didn't still have several boxes of those, I'd be scouting the local stores for some HSTs.

  • @filippocorti6760
    @filippocorti6760 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder what the results would be through bare gel.

  • @armorist6570
    @armorist6570 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ya know, i had a long and rough day today, and all i could think of was getting home with some Taco Bell, and watchin some T&T
    And now im doin exactly that!
    And seein the HST perform like it did is just the cherry on top!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Now you got me wanting Taco Bell!😆😆😆

    • @armorist6570
      @armorist6570 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets Tools, Targets, and Taco Bell!

  • @JG54206
    @JG54206 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s pretty insane that they can make a bullet moving that slow peel open to almost double it’s original size. The blue box was definitely a disappointment but the HST performed as well as I heard it does. I would love to see this test again with the 185gr +P versions of these round.

  • @paulscountry456
    @paulscountry456 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Almost any 45 round even it it does not expand is nearly half a inch...lol.Fudds just adore it, it is the ultimate Fudd cartridge.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Wabbit Season!💥🐰💥

    • @paulscountry456
      @paulscountry456 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets Fudds get weel angwee is you dis tha 19 eweven.Arthwitis flares up...

  • @texaschesthair79-pm5ip
    @texaschesthair79-pm5ip ปีที่แล้ว

    My good friend is a K9 deputy .couple years ago he was involved in a shooting . Lady pulled a .380 .. wouldn’t put it down..fired a round luckily it didn’t hit my friend.. he Carries G21 with 230+p HST … it was a one shot stop with the 230 HST.. not scientific but it is real world performance..

  • @svtkilr
    @svtkilr ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey tools can I get a few of those opened up .45 HSTs I’d love to buy them would be a cool conversation piece. I have .380 but no big boys Lmk thanks bud.

  • @halfcirclehranch6877
    @halfcirclehranch6877 ปีที่แล้ว

    The start of the video kinda sounded like this:
    We ought to have just enough room to drive a garbage truck through this, so let's go try to drive two garbage trucks through it at once.
    🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣🤣🤣🤣 You're not wrong. It was close quarters with these big boys and I aint the best with a 1911 to begin with. I was expecting about 3 or 4 shots and a hot mess in the gel when it was all said and done.

  • @totljag1
    @totljag1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That HST is beautiful how do they feed ?

  • @trusttheprocess7200
    @trusttheprocess7200 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have no doubt about either one of these rounds especially the HST

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      HST has some type of alien technology in it.💥👽💥

    • @trusttheprocess7200
      @trusttheprocess7200 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets I recant my statement for the blue box. I knew nothing about those but federal makes pretty decent stuff. The HST is proven and is a little pricey but you get what you pay for.