Just be careful and do your research. I was going to do this but the consensus is that CA can bleed into the wood and discolor it. It can also damage finishes. Some repair guys recommend using shellac to seal the wood and prevent any bleeding. Different luthiers and repair guys have recommended Weld On and Tite Bond instead. I'm probably going to use Stewmac's binding glue which is another favorite.
The guitar already has a finish on it. Therefor bleed is not a problem at all. You are referencing a problem that luthiers have when originally putting on the binding, using a lot of glue all over the guitar with no finish on it. Spruce is particularly bad for this problem. That is why they use shellac as sort of a temporary finish to help discourage bleed. That is not a problem on repair jobs like this one because of the lacker. CA glue is a widely used product for just such an application.
Roger Jackson I’d like to know to,00-18 binding coming off, Itd be great to see how an experienced repair guy would handle that, need new binding, I’m keeping the guitar so it don’t have to be super pretty
I had a new ebony bridge replaced on an old Gibson acoustic guitar and it cracked. I watched a very famous guitar builder fill the crack with super glue, let it dry while we talked, and buff it out and it still looks new.
Has Nothing to do with humidity or temp. All my guitars are kept in the same environment and only the Martins had this happen. Its Because of the Binding shrinking and a change in the glue used.
I glued my bindings back with wood glue before watching this. Should I worry? Also how do you check the humidity and what do you do if it is dried out?
The wood glue should be fine. It's just that it takes longer to dry so it is usually harder to use with weird little shapes, where as with the CA glue you can just hold it in place until it dries. If you want to check humidity then the best way is to leave a humidity sensor in the case with the instrument. If it is dried out then you want to pick up some kind of sound hole humidifier.
I have six guitars in my music room some as old as 1955 up through the years until till now my Martin which is 11 years old started about 2 years ago first time binding came loose and about 3 more times since then . The Martin is the only one that ever done this . The humidity is controlled with a big gauge on the wall . Martin has a great sound but I would never buy another one . I did the repairs according to Martin's spec's that they sent me six months later it comes loose again .
The consensus in Martin circles is that the factory changed to a more environmentally friendly binding glue in around 2012, leading to these issues. I have had binding issues with most of my Martin’s, even though they are in a humidity controlled room. Worst has been my CEO-7, unfortunately. Great guitar, though, otherwise.
If they are actually replacing all of the binding then refinishing is best and probably necessary. There is a big difference between re-gluing a little piece of binding and pulling off all the binding and installing new binding. Just depends how bad the problem is.
All kinds of things wrong with this method. The waste didn't shrink, The Binding did. You need to heat the binding to make sure it is stretched enough to glue back in. And then never, never use super glue on a guitar. It wasn't used to build it, and it shouldn't be used to repair it. Wood glue only.
You shouod state at the begining, and not the end "This is not for a museum piece". You don't hold binding in place while gluing. Period. Tyoically, the adhesive will either weep into places unknown, from different applied pressures, ruining your finish. You mask, as well as mask protect surfaces. It's no wonder your end result wasn't perfect. You simply cannot control the process with hand pressure. Particularly anything greater than a one inch seam, or worse, where the binding has naturally pulled away due to humidity. Thanks for the band-aid fix instruction. Some people have Martin's they would like to also play, but not see a shoddy repair. Folks, do not do this by hand pressure as shown, unless you want tears in your eyes, and wondering "what did I do?" Also, use Bind-all. It's made for bonding such materials.
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Common issue on newer Martins. Amazing that this is the best they can do. My first and last Martin product!
same here with a Martin 2017 DC-18. still sounds good tho
Very useful video, thank you. I had the same problem with my 2012 D-18.
Literally same is with my same year
Thanks for the help and CHAPEAU! for the homemade humidifier!
Just be careful and do your research. I was going to do this but the consensus is that CA can bleed into the wood and discolor it. It can also damage finishes. Some repair guys recommend using shellac to seal the wood and prevent any bleeding. Different luthiers and repair guys have recommended Weld On and Tite Bond instead. I'm probably going to use Stewmac's binding glue which is another favorite.
Well I can't speak to every situation, but it has been almost 2 years and the repair is holding up great and isn't very noticeable at all.
The guitar already has a finish on it. Therefor bleed is not a problem at all. You are referencing a problem that luthiers have when originally putting on the binding, using a lot of glue all over the guitar with no finish on it. Spruce is particularly bad for this problem. That is why they use shellac as sort of a temporary finish to help discourage bleed. That is not a problem on repair jobs like this one because of the lacker. CA glue is a widely used product for just such an application.
Nice work. Looks very professional. I have a D-35 and the back binding has a lot of separation, like two feet or more. How is that addressed?
Roger Jackson I’d like to know to,00-18 binding coming off, Itd be great to see how an experienced repair guy would handle that, need new binding, I’m keeping the guitar so it don’t have to be super pretty
I had a new ebony bridge replaced on an old Gibson acoustic guitar and it cracked. I watched a very famous guitar builder fill the crack with super glue, let it dry while we talked, and buff it out and it still looks new.
Thanks, now I know how to repair my 00 Martin binding.
D18 like yours same binding separation as yours.
This is a known Martin defect. I dont think humidity is the issue. My Martin peeled, My Taylor is just fine
Has Nothing to do with humidity or temp. All my guitars are kept in the same environment and only the Martins had this happen. Its Because of the Binding shrinking and a change in the glue used.
Same for me. Only my Martins have come apart
Loose bindings like this are just an ornamental repair though. Nothing about that affects the sound or structural integrity, am I right about that?
i’ve heard it does help with structural integrity, guitars with binding are supposed to be more robust than guitars without
Dude I've got a D-17m and the same planet waves humidifier, and that very same binding issue on both the top and bottom of the body.
Same
I glued my bindings back with wood glue before watching this. Should I worry? Also how do you check the humidity and what do you do if it is dried out?
The wood glue should be fine. It's just that it takes longer to dry so it is usually harder to use with weird little shapes, where as with the CA glue you can just hold it in place until it dries.
If you want to check humidity then the best way is to leave a humidity sensor in the case with the instrument. If it is dried out then you want to pick up some kind of sound hole humidifier.
@@MerwinMusic thanks! I used a lot of tape.
What if I don't fix it for a long time? Will it be unfixable later?
Yes
@@jahjahjah4717 how so
How is it holding up over year later? I have the same issue with one of my acoustics.
The repair is fine and is still glued down.
I have six guitars in my music room some as old as 1955 up through the years until till now my Martin which is 11 years old started about 2 years ago first time binding came loose and about 3 more times since then . The Martin is the only one that ever done this . The humidity is controlled with a big gauge on the wall . Martin has a great sound but I would never buy another one . I did the repairs according to Martin's spec's that they sent me six months later it comes loose again .
Yeah mine is bad again. I feel like the binding just needs to be completely redone.
The consensus in Martin circles is that the factory changed to a more environmentally friendly binding glue in around 2012, leading to these issues. I have had binding issues with most of my Martin’s, even though they are in a humidity controlled room. Worst has been my CEO-7, unfortunately. Great guitar, though, otherwise.
Mine is a 2011 D-35 and had this very same problem at all four waist corners!
Why would a repair shop recommend refinishing the guitar after replacing the binding? It’s recommended on their web site
If they are actually replacing all of the binding then refinishing is best and probably necessary.
There is a big difference between re-gluing a little piece of binding and pulling off all the binding and installing new binding. Just depends how bad the problem is.
MerwinMusic thanks
can you dive e the manufacturer of the glue?
There is a link to the glue used in the website article: merwinmusic.com/2018/09/26/repairing-acoustic-guitar-binding/
All kinds of things wrong with this method. The waste didn't shrink, The Binding did. You need to heat the binding to make sure it is stretched enough to glue back in. And then never, never use super glue on a guitar. It wasn't used to build it, and it shouldn't be used to repair it. Wood glue only.
Super glue is just so super.
70% of humidity is not an issue !!! More than 75% is !!!
Don't do it this way.
You shouod state at the begining, and not the end "This is not for a museum piece".
You don't hold binding in place while gluing. Period. Tyoically, the adhesive will either weep into places unknown, from different applied pressures, ruining your finish.
You mask, as well as mask protect surfaces. It's no wonder your end result wasn't perfect. You simply cannot control the process with hand pressure. Particularly anything greater than a one inch seam, or worse, where the binding has naturally pulled away due to humidity.
Thanks for the band-aid fix instruction. Some people have Martin's they would like to also play, but not see a shoddy repair.
Folks, do not do this by hand pressure as shown, unless you want tears in your eyes, and wondering "what did I do?"
Also, use Bind-all. It's made for bonding such materials.