As soon as I beat the final boss, I rushed back to tell St. Trina and seeing her laying there dead was the most emotionally gutpunching part of the dlc AND base game combined, for me. She knew, even discarded from Miquella, that his death meant hers as well. And still she asked us to stop him, to SAVE him from Godhood by killing him. One of the best characters, even though we see so little of her
Possibly, but she's in a protected zone so your methods to hurt an NPC (her) drop significantly. Lore wise I'm not sure, I mean radagan and Marika seem to be the same tied existence, but when we take down radagan, it's hard to say for certain Marika is physically alive or not. I mean being headless should be pretty decisive but they don't show what happens after reattach her head.
@@miliyawhite4354Yes, that's why she's in a protected zone. Otherwise they'd have to program an ending where you just killed Miquella without fighting radahn.
St Trina and Miquella are probably some of the most beautiful character from ever created. Trina especially has some ethereal beauty full of peace, she really feel like someone in an eternal peaceful slumber
its honestly really interesting to see how despite the generally very saturated look in-game, the flower is actually extremely withered... its still majestic to us, yet the peak of her beauty and power is far, far behind.
Miquella tossing away the parts of himself that he needed the most to actually achieve the kind loving order he wanted. At the very least when Miquella had died, St. Trinia helped him one last time.
Tragic and surprisingly true to reality story about how its usually required to toss away your heart to climb to power, but result is just another heartless person with power
It just feels like some twisted version of communion, and the followers of Miquella literally trying to obtain or mark locations where the body parts fell in a legitimately same manner that Reliquaries do. The most traditional use of the term "relic" is the preserved body parts of saints. Blasphemous has you collect relics in the form of bones. Relics in a bone sense are collected in an "Ossuary."
@@AtticusKarpenter depends on the definitions. Miquella is creating an Age of Compassion and even though I can imagine someone associating love with compassion, I can also imagine the concepts to be different. Also there's many-a-ways to interpret what the "love" means especially since it's plausible it's referring to Trina and I at least don't know Japanese, so I'm unaware of possible other linguistic context.
He wanted so bad to create a better and kinder world order, where everyone would be accepted... yet he ironically discarded what he needed for it... Love...
In the german version of the game they translated "the poor thing" into "die erbärmliche Kreatur", which means "the miserable creature". It seems like the translator had a bit of a subjective perspective on poor Miquella. My personal theory is that it was Thiollier, who translated this, since he assumed that only a truely evil and miserable creature could break up with Trina. In conclusion this means, that Thiollier is still alive and working as a translator in Germany.
VERY interesting to see her unused dialogue. Even in the used one, she seem to clearly not scorn Miquella for being abandoned, rather, she seems like she cares for him and knows that divinity is *not* something good, but rather a prison, that she wants us to stop him from inserting himself. I've seen a lot of people interpreting that she wants us to kill Miquella because he ''lost his goodness'', but it seems clear even in the cut dialogue that she just wants him to be free - which considering he was cursed since his birth, its something that gripped him from the very beginning.
miquella's cursed for forever youth. i don't think that simply means he'd never grow up. it actually means anything he works on will never come to fruition. look back on everything he did in the game, they're pretty much all failures. i think once miquella decided to give up his love for godhood, st. trina knew it'd be another failure at that point. so she turned to us tarnished to give him forgiveness for all the failure he's done.
ohhh i was wondering how miquella could have cut her away from him, and realising she probably just budded a new version of herself from the nectarbloom where his blood fell makes so much sense. like how millicent came from a bud of aeonia, or how 'erdtree birth' might work, people really do grow on trees in this world.... edit: may i refer you all to tarnished archaeologist’s video on the subject th-cam.com/video/3C-AaanlTD4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ny-h0nV17380DC4f
I feel like the Millicent/Malenia connection is presented differently than St. Trina/Miquella and Radagon/Marika. I like your theory - I just don't think Millicent is necessarily in the same category. Perhaps that's why St. Trina looks so non-human?
@@vaatiwrileythewolf1746 there’s no evidence that radagon and marika could separate themselves from each other. why would they fight for control of their shared body shattering the elden ring if radagon could just step out of the body and stop marika physically
@@roachdoggjr4648 she is miquella's other half, so when we kill miquella she dies too. she probably would have grown out of the blossom given time, looked like she was halfway out already, manifesting herself.... also she drops a hidden headpiece, read its description 😭
She was blooming to become the next haligtree i think or rather a big sleep tree that spread sleep in the whole area/world , because I believe that what Miquella would look like in the start of the haligtree before he nestled inside it, before Mohg removed him from the heart or rather womb of the tree
@@talalogy Interesting! And probably too, considering how the sleep poison melded with the putrescence. But I was referring to real legends and myths: like a girl, born under the moon, have beautiful eyes. People grew envious with her beauty, then decided to murder her and bury her body. The Moon grew sad, and from her remains grew a tree with fruits looking like eyes.
To think Miquella threw her off the cliff to the sea to embark on his quest after using her to gain favors and followers is really horrible. Even so Trina still thinks about him.
"I abandon here my doubt and vascillation" was the first cross most players probably find with the nectar burgeons indicating trina. I took it to mean that he was having doubts and facing indecisiveness about abandoning his other self, or his "love," which he ultimately chose to abandon because it was a necessary step in his plan to achieve godhood. in an "ends justify the means" sort of way. I don't think he WANTED to, but rather he felt like he had to if he was ever going to ascend. and he had to abandon his doubt first in order to make that step
That’s because Miquella learned from Marika. Marika never divested herself of anything so despite achieving Godhood she still retain aspects of her humanity and with that it’s short comings.
@@bigboy6019 or he refused to believe he had doubts, like sta trina asking him "are you sure about this?" And to make her stop convincing him he threw her off the cliff
@@snarky5341and without the human flaws he would become far worse than marika, he would kill without remorse, a god with rage is bad, a god that doesnt care if its population dies or doesnt care about killing is worse, like Ansbach and goldmask said, a great order is one led by men, not gods, for gods are too like men with too much power
We can see Trina's full body in one of the DLC trailers, so, if it wasn't obvious enough, this mostly-floral form of hers is a new development. I'd guess that this flower started out as a piece of discarded flesh, little different than what Miquella left at his other crosses, only it tried to grow back into Trina herself rather than just another empyrean-blood burgeon
She started out as a whole person, the scene we saw in the trailer was the exact moment Miquella abandoned her and left her down that pit and sealed the fissure
A few different moments in the DLC truly looked as if I was looking right at the most beautiful concept art for a video game, but I was standing INSIDE of it. Like being inside of a beautiful painting. I feel bad for anyone who isn't/didn't thoroughly enjoy the DLC, we were truly blessed with this work of art.
dude the first time st trina said her lines after us dying felt so ethereal. none of the videos here make justice to that feeling, u just gotta be there
well alot of her blood becomes the nectarblood flowers given she was tossed of a cliff her bottom half could have transmuted after she was bleeding out
A lot of Mediterranean flowers were named after greek gods, as a lot of other flowers after were named after saints and biblical events. Flowers symbolize life and death cycles, beauty, love , sadness and also blood. In Portuguese there's this beautiful flower that grows from a vine in bunches called (translated) "Christ's Tears". Elden Ring takes so much from how human kind dealt with the real and the sacred trough esoterism and science. How we named planets, chemical elements, fauna and flora. Its all connected, it's terrestrial and celestial.
Really taking the flower child motif to a whole other level. Makes the idea of the version of her on the Torch that's depicted as fully grown and seemingly intertwined with the Fell God a truly terrifying possibility that I'm glad never came to pass.
@@jasona4445 She has one singular central eye, along with her hair making the same swirling patterns around that center as the Furnace Visage, One-Eyed Shield, & Troll's Hammer all use to represent the divinity of the Fell God of the Fire Giants.
I think the torch was designed that way because fire isn't inherently connected to st Trina, so the maker combined designs of St Trina and the Fell God to reflect a torch embued with St Trinas magic
@@PierceArner no implications of such thing thats just your speculation just because her hair design in the torch is swirly? there are a lot of thing swirling not related to the Fell God
The vibe leading up to this, the dialogue thiollier, the calm music in her little grove, and how she looks, not sure exactly why but her design deeply effected me! It's beautiful in such a unique way. I'm not even gonna watch this vid because I don't want to see behind the scenes so to speak!
The endless screaming because I died to the skeleton guys horse ramming into me for the 495th time S u c h a vibe dude Don't even get me started on the fucking lasers I was about to fly to Japan and eat miyazaki
She blessed the merchants with tranquility and peace when their eyes were burning in frenzy, this character is a victim beyond what words can describe.
This character possesses infinite beauty and sadness. When I discovered (all by myself) that insisting with this character would trigger a specific cutscene, I was truly moved. Hearing Saint Trina say that Miquella - essentially herself - had to be killed gave me chills.
She is hauntingly peaceful, like stumbling upon a soul in a tranquil coma, sustained by fragile threads of life. Blissfully asleep, yet teetering on the edge of existence. We are, in essence, severing those threads, a sorrowful act. Miquella was never meant to forsake his love, to abandon her in this desolate place. How cruel must one be, to cast aside a piece of their heart, leaving it to be forgotten at the world's end?
It is not cruelty. Miquella just discarded his ability to love in the fissure. God of the Age of Compassion unable to love anyone is such a dark and fearsome concept.
He had to. Because divine states of conciousness can only achieved through absolute balance. divinity here is an ideal or a concept. And concept here is Compassion for all.
One of the most beautiful (and very sad) and memorable moments imo was actually discovering she was even down is the fissure. One of my most favorite moments in my play through thus far!! The music was also just on point 🤌🏽
I was literally vibrating with excitement when I came across a purple field. Since I already knew that he had discarded St. Trina, I figured she’d be there and the interaction would be awesome.
The entire stone coffin fissure, the garden of deep purple, and finally St. Trina is such a tragic and heartbreaking setting. They really nailed the emotions here.
I do think abandoning St. Trina was one of the most difficult part Miquella had to do, she was the embodiment of his love after all and I've read somewhere on reddit, she may also symbolize his self-love which makes it even sadder. If you think about it, it wasn't about using Trina for his own selfish gains, he thought it was to only way to be free of his corrupt lineage, his fate. It makes me symphatize with him, I would like to give both him and St. Trina a hug...;;---;;
St Trina also symbolizes letting go of his haligtree and his followers. He did many things to create a place for the persecuted but failed because of mogh and now in the land of shadow he finds more persecution. His compassion and grief to all of those slaughtered, must of made it difficult to continue with his task to become a God.
@@ramoraid he didn't fail because of mogh, he straight up chose mogh - even enchanted him, people are stepping over the fact that he abandoned everything of his own will
@@lurksmcgee St Trina appeared to the people of the lands between and suddenly disappeared. I fits that miquella slumbering in his haligtree(to break his curse) and then being cut from the tree would make her/him disappear. If he did use mogh than he likely made him remove him from the tree, until after he broke his curse.
@@lurksmcgee The tree was failing and the needle wasn't enough to help Malenia. He "didn't" chose Mohg, he used the fool to lead him to the Land of Shadows. Mohg's rememberance even tells Miquella didn't answered his advances (let he do whatever he wanted with his corpse bc he was already long gone to the lands of shadows). So the blood cult stuff still all on Mohg's part. Becoming a god was Miquella's last resort, he tried everything before trying godhood. Mohg's body being used to be a vessel for Radahn is probably by opportunity bc Radahn's og body was completely devoured by Alexander.
One of ny favorite encounters of the game and DLC. I got mesmerized by the color of the cave, the music, the design, he voice... It really makes you understand why someone would pray to her
Miquella with Trina: I want to give eveyone a chance to rest. Miquella without Trina: Let's use my mind control powers to make everyone love me and resurrect the strongest demigod who can control fate to have endless wars roflmao
they both have mind control powers.. but it's clear that shedding away, heart, love, doubt and your other self.. would definitely loosen up any inhibitions regarding that..
Yeah I couldn't tell what she was exactly like I thought she was a flower or a plant but I guess this confirms it though I wonder if she always was like this? Well thank you for this close up. Shame that was unused idk why they would.
@@wzx6x6z6w I don't think she deteriorated. I think it's showing her coming from the bud of a flower. Miquella casted away his body and we know his blood glows flowers/trees (Haligtree) and when he casted away his love she was born from that flower. It's like how Milenia's other selves were born from her flower buds
@@pratiksengupta5336 I think it's a matter of how you perceive the trailer. There's no definitive answer because the game never tells what exactly is going on. In the trailer it showed St Trina floating in a sleep state when Leda says he abandoned his fate. But in the game it shows Trina as a bud and she herself says that she was casted aside when Miquella casted aside his love. Based on evidence in the game I'm assuming she's going through the same process that Milicent and her sisters went through because they also came from buds.
Well hello there Wealthy Bone, long time no see. For whatever reason, TH-cam keeps deleting my replies to you. So I’ve signed in on an alt just to drop by and say hello!
st trina looks eerily like the little girl from the animated movie "Angel's Egg" which was already an inspiration for FromSoft in DS3 (namely for the crystal egg hold by Filianore)
It may seem strange that Miquella would sacrifice his “love” in order to become a more “compassionate” being. But love and compassion are not quite the same thing; compassion is the ability to feel sadness and grief even for complete strangers, while love is deeply personal. St. Trina was the side of Miquella’s Empyrean nature that could feel personal attachments; attachment to his mother, Marika, attachment to Melania, his sister, and attachment to St. Trina herself, who as Miquella’s alter ego shared both a body but also a relationship somewhat akin to that of Marika and Radagon. By casting her aside, Miquella is trying to achieve what many Buddhists and other ascetic religions try to accomplish; the eschewing of these personal attachments in favor of a higher, purer, more universal kind of love. But his plan is doomed to failure, because without understanding love on that individual level, how can one understand individuals?
So crackpot theory here. Miquella gives up his opposite gendered aspect, his anima, his love, in the form of St. Trina. That sacrifice produces a bud that grows into the beginnings of a young tree, which produces a sap and a person. Malenia gives up her opposite gendered aspect, her animus, her dignity (as Millicent put it), which maybe took the form of her "daughters". That sacrifice produced a bud and grew into the Scarlet Aeonia, which produces the scarlet rot and several people. To go one step further then... Marika gives up her opposite gendered aspect, her animus, her... loyalty? (Tied to her betrayal that led to her becoming a god) Her ability to meld things together as a Shaman? In the form of Radagon, who is a loyal hound of the golden order, and whose philosophy dictates that all things can be conjoined. That sacrifice produces a bud that grows into the Erdtree, which produces a sap (which she collects, or collected while in the age of plenty) and a person, Radagon. Ranni seems to break the mold though. She gives up her body, as I think all the others do too. She I don't think she sacrifices an aspect of herself though, unless Blaidd is that opposite gendered aspect... Maybe Ranni and Marika sacrifice their loyalty in the forms of Blaidd and Maliketh, where from Marika Radagon is produced, but from Ranni nothing can be produced because of Destined Death? Maybe that is why she is able to leave the world and move amongst the stars? Where does the Dark Moon factor in? Maybe in sacrificing St. Trina a new, different person is being produced from Miquella? That rambled a bit but essentially, I think that to become a god an Empyrean has to give up their flesh and give up an aspect of themselves, which as a byproduct produces a tree. That tree grows and produces a sap representative of that essential aspect of the new god, and grows a new person. When that person falls from the tree like a fruit, the tree dies and that new person grows until they eventually either become a new god to replace the old, or are conjoined with the old god, erasing the previous two and producing a new thing. Marika, in order to subvert this order shatters the Elden Ring which governs this process, and prevents the conjoining of Marika and Radagon from completing. Radagon tries to repair the ring, but cannot, and Marika is imprisoned for her sin. Because the Elden Ring is now shattered, either a tarnished has to repair the Elden Ring so that Marika and Radagon's combination can complete and the cycle can continue, or a new Empyrean must rise to establish a new order. Miquella is following the same path as Marika, and so is destined to, like her, eventually be destroyed utterly when he is rejoined after St. Trina grows into a new god. That is why godhood is Miquella's prison; he is imprisoned by fate to be erased as a person. Ranni's sacrifice cannot produce a tree like Miquella and Marika, because her sacrificed body has been rendered Dead in the truest possible sense. Since she is no longer bound by the same fate as Marika, her fate can be guided by the stars and the moon. And unlike Miquella, she does not give up her doubts, or her love, as her final dialogues imply. As for Malenia, we guide Millicent to her inevitable death mere moments before the two of them can be reunited. As she says "That if I am to flower into something other than myself, I would rather rot into nothingness as I am." Like Miquella and Marika, Malenia and Millicent do not want to have their selves destroyed to make way for a new god. Still not particularly cohesive as a theory but I came up with this on the spot after seeing 0:51
You're forgetting that there is a candidate for Ranni's other half... Melina. Born at the foot of the Erdtree, burned and bodiless. Who else is burned and without a real form? Ranni. Who else has a sealed eye? Ranni. They are literally opposites as well, one using solely Carian Sorcery and the other Miracles, much like how Radagon turned to Sorcery in an attempt to make himself whole again. Btw, Radagon was all of Marika's negative traits, which is why he governs the Law of Regression, is loyal to the Greater Will and the corrupted Fingers, and even has the Fire Giant's curse upon him that Marika originally was afflicted with. Trina is much the same, being poison to Miquella's abundance. Messmer's item descriptions mention a younger sister who saw a world aflame. Technically all of Radagon's children are also his siblings, so perhaps Ranni saw this world and that's why she started her quest to achieve godhood and cast aside her own flesh. We have to remember that Ranni's original body was a redhead, hence she was cursed by the Fire Giant as well, inherited from her father. Cursed with visions of fire, and after she died and her soul bound itself to a doll we see her true body burned. This fire was passed onto her other half perhaps, which is why Melina can burn the Erdtree. Remember, Marika was indeed conspiring with Ranni on the Night of the Black Knives, so Melina's task could have been given to Ranni, knowing full well that the other half could do it. Also, they're connected via Torrent. They also both speak to us at the Graces directly (Ranni during her questline through the doll). They both appear through apparition or mist before us. I would also point out that the Melina we see at the Frenzy Flame ending could indeed be a Melina fused back together with Ranni. By the way, I too assumed the daughters are the other half of Malenia. Since she's degrading to eventually regrow into a flower, perhaps she separated like one too, like pollination. Would explain how all of them look the same as her but feel like smaller shadows of a big whole. Gowry found them and wanted one of them to bloom into the Rot Goddess because their "mother" would not. It might have not even been intentional either, as her flesh is rotting away. The rotted flesh could have been rebirthed into new forms, forms that bear parts of herself. It seems that all Empyreans must separate from part of themselves to ascend to godhood.
@ididntaskverified3663 The item description just says younger sister with visions of fire, not Melina by name. Remember, ALL of the children sired by Marika or Radagon are his brothers and sisters. Ranni is his younger sister too, and if Ranni and Melina are the same person, this all tracks perfectly. By the way, it turns out that the Malenia/Millicent and her sisters theory we talked about is indeed true. In the Zullie the Witch video from months ago, "Rotten Family," there is cut content dialogue that proves it. In a cut ending to the Millicent quest, if Millicent had died without removing the needle then her consciousness rejoins with Malenia. The dialogue in the game files for this cut quest ending has Malenia know our character and refer to us the same way Millicent does. I find this adds even more validity to the Ranni/Melina theory because it proves along with St. Trina in the DLC that every single Empyrean has an Other Half, with us knowing that the four known Empyreans are Marika, Ranni, Miquella, and Malenia. By process of elimination this means that Ranni too has an Other Half since all Empyreans are accounted for except her. Miyazaki also said in an interview that there was a huge story thread that he has seen no one talk about in a lore video yet. I am assuming it is the Ranni and Melina connection.
Same man. It really bummed me out. I think its two parts. One is we see Miquella in trying to save the world and create a new age of compassion divests himself of the only emotion that could have helped bring it to fruition. Second we see St Trina as the last good part of someone dying and discarded. Tragedy man for real.
Best character design in the history of the Souls series. Hands down. It's what I'd imagine the Greek god of sleep, Hypnos, to look like. I hope From makes a game centered around Greek mythology one day.
Please also do a closer look for the Marika statue in Messmer's room. It's the first statue with her head attached, meaning we can get a Marika face reveal!
"only I am allowed to know. of your velvety sleep. its sweetly gentle embrace. so please, smile - for me, and only me." - this could be in regards to thiolliare, but knowing how miquella discarded of her, most likely placed her here hoping none would find her, and this description from the talisman she gives you makes my heart ache.
I’ve been waiting for a video like this to explore her design and character model. At first it felt a little unnerving trying to figure out what is what and where things begin or end but after a little I’ve found the design beautiful and majestic looking.
My first thought on seeing her is that "She really looks like the protagonist from Belladonna of Sadness brought into 3D space." It's truly amazing how Fromsoft could bring surreal paintings to life.
Honestly makes me wonder if St Trina’s nectar can be used to help put Godwyn to sleep. Like let me gather some and let me try at his main body. His mutated eyes are always open and can’t rest, and we see the Putrescent Knight was thankful for being able to rest (tho it DID come back to guard her so hm). Like I feel there’s a clear connection here, when we’re told that her nectar can likely put the dead to rest, and we have a Prince of Death who literally can’t rest, AND in the main game Miquella wished for and wanted to give Godwyn a true death too.
When you realize that St. Trina is bleeding and has half her body missing because she was thrown into the Stone Coffin Fissure. Her body probably broke on the way down.
I feel like St. Trina was really underused this dlc. If only there was a way to free her. Maybe a bloodborne style dream world to get her back? Maybe we could have collected the pieces of miquella at his crosses to reform saint trina to summon her against miquella? Would have made this dlc even better.
There’s theories that there’s a secret ending we haven’t discovered yet as there’s cutscenes in some of the trailers that people haven’t found as well as a couple structures that have been unused so who knows
This moment and finding Mariqa village were my fav moments it was amazing walking to that peaceful serene village bathed in gold while a gentle chord plays I don’t think ill ever forget that
I ended up getting a beautiful tattoo of St Trina on me and this video was the absolute best piece of reference I was able to send my artist so I personally want to thank you for making this video. You even included her dialogue and her music and included shots of her in her location so she was able to capture Trina’s majestic and melancholic nature and vibe. It also helped reveal that St Trina is just a tiny little fragment almost hidden in the mess of hair and flower petals and that’s represented in the tattoo as well.
"I got invited to a wedding and the flower girl was so adorable. Then I thought to myself, how can I make this sad and horrifying?" Hidetaka Miyazaki, probably.
I adore her floral design, it calls back to Miquella's original fae-like powers and attributes before he started giving up everything about himself for godhood. Trina's design reminds me of the faerie queen Oona from Magic the Gathering's Lorwyn plane which is one of my favourite planes in MTG.
Saint Trina looks like the flower that is named after her, and that her human body reminds me of of a young child, and since Miquella was cursed to be stuck in a child's body, so maybe this what Miquella would have looked like, well not as a leggless flower child that is.
It is interesting that the alter ego of Miquella which is St. Trina obviously seems to be a flower. Where did we see this motif as well? Exactly. His twin sister, Malenia. Were they both initially supposed to bloom to achieve divinity? Malenia blooms three times to become the Goddess of Rot. Miquella original fate might have been to become the God(dess) of Death/Eternal Sleep after some blooming?
don't forget about the miranda flowers as well, it's a subtler connection compared to malenia but with how many times poison is referred to in reference to trina('s nectar) during thiolliers questline (as well as poison being his whole thing) they're definitely overlapping the two concepts in some way for some reason. seems prominent and intentional
If you are talking about bloom remember miquella grew the haligtree and then places himself inside it. He went inside his tree to break the curse placed upon him. St Trina torch is the only item that describes and shows st Trina/miquella as an adult, (success). It's clear that st Trina is tied to his haligtree and success in breaking his curse. Mogh cutting miquella out of his tree clearly screwed things up.
St.Trina I consider to be Miquella's good side. Still sharing Miquella's wisdom, so much so that she knew we HAD to kill Miquella when he took things too far.
This actually horrified me to find because I couldn't figure out if this was a willing thing she'd done to herself or something that Miquella had done. Great work as always.
Poor little saint. All she wants is to bless people with a good sleep, yet she is casted away in her most terrifying way she knows (the sense of falling is the bane of sleep). Moreover, she has probably lied at the bottom of the pit filled with corpse juice, stinking with smell of the dead (another bane of sleep), scared and bloodied, for so long until a certain clump of corpse juice absorbed some her liquid and turned into Putrescence Knight, which carried her inside a dry cave and took care of her To think that Miquella would make his love, a part of himself even, go through such horrible ordeal is a clear sign Miquella has become a monster after removing St Trina from him 🫠
@@WobiKabobi ok the question wasn’t worded how I intended. What I was questioning is if this twisted form is the result of being separated. Questioning whether or not St. Trina was more human like before.
@@magnumdoinks5595 i think so! Similair to Radagon/Marika. In the trailer for the DLC, we can see Trina falling in a purple background, assuming that was her being thrown down by Miquella, or that is was just figurative.
@@magnumdoinks5595descriptions of items associated with her in the dlc talk about the nectar pooling and toxifying, like being dropped to the bottom of the world has caused it to concentrate and fester, congealing into something darker and corrupted. instead of a light fog of sleep that gives you gentle rest, its a heavy cloud that smothers you forever, never to wake again. So the idea that Trina herself was distorted in such a way makes a lot of sense
@@dumbsterdives yeah that does make sense. Only thing I’m wondering is the cinematic trailer showing what looks like St. Trina falling down or being “discarded.” Is that just her similar look to Miquella while still technically being apart of him, or is that what she looks like before being removed? St. Trina being Miquella’s love also brings into question a lot of things. Is it love in the sense of Miquella’s compassion and kindness being represented through St. Trina, or is it love in the sense of what Radagon and Marika where?
I’ve been waiting for this one Bonfire! St Trina & Romina are honestly some of the most beautiful I’ve seen since base game and I COULD NOT figure this one out…like I couldn’t tell is she was being birthed/cradled by the flower or WAS the flower. Her wings look like Miquella’s when pulled from the cocoon but the seem to be petals here??? So sad but beautiful 😢 deadly nightshade comes to mind but she’s more like a strawberry-most fruit bearing plants will produce blooms before wilting and produce/ripen the fruit. A strawberry however, produces a flower which sheds its petals and wilts-from the wilting bud it becomes the strawberry, before releasing it to the ground…..the grim art of reincarnation…
Radagon is actually marikas half which represented her origin before godhood hence the so called curse of red hair. She shed him to rid her of that origin before her ascent. There are more pointers but this is the simplest story I can tell @@kaine438
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I wonder how loud the shouting in From Software offices was when they told Miyazaki that they will have a female character without feet.
What areyou talking about that monsterous stem is close enought as one foot
LOL
your stupid lame comments
Miyazaki: Big stem 🤤🤤🤤
They told Miyazaki that the name of the guy who got rid of the feet was Bayle, and thats how we got Igons voice lines
props to the voice actress, it's hard to speak like this and not sound like dying, st trina felt like she's sleep talking
dying would've sounded better, as it would accurately reflect her broken state. just sounds eepy instead but it still is entrancing
@@PK-cg5ej Idk shes the saint of sleep it makes sense shes sleep talking come on
@@coraline2770 mm yeah it does make sense, but i feel like her brokenness should've shone through more still
ASMR.
Um no.. obv u havent met people much😅
When I saw her, I thought the flower was holding her. But it’s just her.
She's budding...
I kept looking with the telescope trying to find the rest of the body and going crazy when I couldn't tell wtf I was looking at I LOVE this design
@@bigboy6019🤣🤣saaame
Come back after you defeat radahn
@@leewang2902Do you get anything else from her quest besides thiolliers set after beating miquella?
As soon as I beat the final boss, I rushed back to tell St. Trina and seeing her laying there dead was the most emotionally gutpunching part of the dlc AND base game combined, for me.
She knew, even discarded from Miquella, that his death meant hers as well. And still she asked us to stop him, to SAVE him from Godhood by killing him.
One of the best characters, even though we see so little of her
Agreed, though the flower head piece she gives as a reward is my favorite head piece
wait... wouldn't killing her also kills miq? sorry, new to the fandom.
Possibly, but she's in a protected zone so your methods to hurt an NPC (her) drop significantly. Lore wise I'm not sure, I mean radagan and Marika seem to be the same tied existence, but when we take down radagan, it's hard to say for certain Marika is physically alive or not. I mean being headless should be pretty decisive but they don't show what happens after reattach her head.
Being headless in a From Software game means very little if you go off some of the supernatural beings, monsters and bosses you end up fighting.
@@miliyawhite4354Yes, that's why she's in a protected zone. Otherwise they'd have to program an ending where you just killed Miquella without fighting radahn.
St Trina and Miquella are probably some of the most beautiful character from ever created.
Trina especially has some ethereal beauty full of peace, she really feel like someone in an eternal peaceful slumber
balls
Some say they are the same.
@@glyphdragonix Says in the game they are. St. Trina is one of Miquella's discarded parts.
would
@@glyphdragonixyeah she is referred to a couple times as his "other self" just like how marika refers to radagon
Thollier somewhere losin his mind watchin this
Fuck Thollier, all I did was tell him the truth and the mf talked mad shit
St Trina's smile is mine and mine alone he say. XD
Thoillier gets cucked by the tarnished lol
"First off, edge"
-Thioliier probably
@@cacaodemon5220 “time for head”
its honestly really interesting to see how despite the generally very saturated look in-game, the flower is actually extremely withered... its still majestic to us, yet the peak of her beauty and power is far, far behind.
the magic of ps2 quality textures
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735hate is strong with this one...
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 might actually have to fight for this
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 Boring ass 4k textures aint got shit on great art direction bruhv.
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 bro look at that hair it's literally beautiful
"I abandon here my love."
Reading that line had me heartbroken, because you just understood the loaded implications behind it.
"No love ahead"
Oh no...
Pretty sure St.Trina is his Fate it even says it in the trailers.
@@SaiyanBRZRKR play the game, don't play the trailers
@@toastee5421 why? they feature game dialogue lol
she looks so much like the little girl in angel's egg
Oh wow, she really does, though.
Oh man time to watch that again
Exactly. Which is why she reminds me so much of the slumbering Filianore in DS3. I love the ethereal visual design of both characters.
I see, you're a Tenshi no Tamago enjoyer too. Very cultured.
Miquella tossing away the parts of himself that he needed the most to actually achieve the kind loving order he wanted. At the very least when Miquella had died, St. Trinia helped him one last time.
Tragic and surprisingly true to reality story about how its usually required to toss away your heart to climb to power, but result is just another heartless person with power
It just feels like some twisted version of communion, and the followers of Miquella literally trying to obtain or mark locations where the body parts fell in a legitimately same manner that Reliquaries do. The most traditional use of the term "relic" is the preserved body parts of saints. Blasphemous has you collect relics in the form of bones. Relics in a bone sense are collected in an "Ossuary."
@@AtticusKarpenter depends on the definitions. Miquella is creating an Age of Compassion and even though I can imagine someone associating love with compassion, I can also imagine the concepts to be different. Also there's many-a-ways to interpret what the "love" means especially since it's plausible it's referring to Trina and I at least don't know Japanese, so I'm unaware of possible other linguistic context.
He wanted so bad to create a better and kinder world order, where everyone would be accepted... yet he ironically discarded what he needed for it... Love...
In the german version of the game they translated "the poor thing" into "die erbärmliche Kreatur", which means "the miserable creature". It seems like the translator had a bit of a subjective perspective on poor Miquella. My personal theory is that it was Thiollier, who translated this, since he assumed that only a truely evil and miserable creature could break up with Trina. In conclusion this means, that Thiollier is still alive and working as a translator in Germany.
VERY interesting to see her unused dialogue. Even in the used one, she seem to clearly not scorn Miquella for being abandoned, rather, she seems like she cares for him and knows that divinity is *not* something good, but rather a prison, that she wants us to stop him from inserting himself. I've seen a lot of people interpreting that she wants us to kill Miquella because he ''lost his goodness'', but it seems clear even in the cut dialogue that she just wants him to be free - which considering he was cursed since his birth, its something that gripped him from the very beginning.
Makes sense that she represented Miquellas love. She definetly was that one part he should never discard.
The dialogue isn't unused. If you die to her nectar ~4 times she starts speaking each time you die.
@@mikaelobos No, the dialogue in the video is unused. She doesn't talk to you after you killed Miquella, only before
miquella's cursed for forever youth. i don't think that simply means he'd never grow up. it actually means anything he works on will never come to fruition. look back on everything he did in the game, they're pretty much all failures. i think once miquella decided to give up his love for godhood, st. trina knew it'd be another failure at that point. so she turned to us tarnished to give him forgiveness for all the failure he's done.
Goes to show that Ranni is just a lot brighter since she did what was necessary specifically to escape a fate of godhood.
ohhh i was wondering how miquella could have cut her away from him, and realising she probably just budded a new version of herself from the nectarbloom where his blood fell makes so much sense. like how millicent came from a bud of aeonia, or how 'erdtree birth' might work, people really do grow on trees in this world....
edit: may i refer you all to tarnished archaeologist’s video on the subject th-cam.com/video/3C-AaanlTD4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ny-h0nV17380DC4f
Idk about the Erdtree part, but the rest sounds right
Or you could look at the parents of miquella who had 2 separate gendered forms and could separate from each other.
@@vaatiwrileythewolf1746 with the lore they can actually be 2 separate shamans instead of 1 entity
I feel like the Millicent/Malenia connection is presented differently than St. Trina/Miquella and Radagon/Marika. I like your theory - I just don't think Millicent is necessarily in the same category. Perhaps that's why St. Trina looks so non-human?
@@vaatiwrileythewolf1746 there’s no evidence that radagon and marika could separate themselves from each other. why would they fight for control of their shared body shattering the elden ring if radagon could just step out of the body and stop marika physically
Man sleeping like that is gonna get you such a creak in the neck
10,000 years can also give you such a creak in the neck
I thought she was sleeping while standing at first 😂
Don't have to worry about the creak if you'll never wake up.
depends on how flexible someone's neck is. I was able to sleep comfortably like this for a long time. Then I turned 30 lol.
Millennial spotted. You old people are old.
wish we could save her.... this quest was so heartbreaking
Is she actually dying? I assumed she was okay, but likely stuck in the cave unless she continues to grow or something.
@@roachdoggjr4648 Yes, when you complete the mission it releases a purple flower that confirms its death.
@@roachdoggjr4648 she is miquella's other half, so when we kill miquella she dies too. she probably would have grown out of the blossom given time, looked like she was halfway out already, manifesting herself.... also she drops a hidden headpiece, read its description 😭
Да, очень жаль что ей нельзя спасти(
Hear me out... What if we...maybe graft her?
It’s really mythological: a demigod loses part of themselves, it becomes a flower
She was blooming to become the next haligtree i think or rather a big sleep tree that spread sleep in the whole area/world , because I believe that what Miquella would look like in the start of the haligtree before he nestled inside it, before Mohg removed him from the heart or rather womb of the tree
@@talalogy Interesting! And probably too, considering how the sleep poison melded with the putrescence.
But I was referring to real legends and myths: like a girl, born under the moon, have beautiful eyes. People grew envious with her beauty, then decided to murder her and bury her body. The Moon grew sad, and from her remains grew a tree with fruits looking like eyes.
She's eepy
If it wasn’t 1AM I’d have audibly laughed at this comment
lightning great epee +19
@@metalsludge8205 Frost Dane's Footwork +25
Miquella's eepiest soldier
😴
“Would you love me if I was a flower?”
To think Miquella threw her off the cliff to the sea to embark on his quest after using her to gain favors and followers is really horrible. Even so Trina still thinks about him.
That's why he had to get rid of his doubts, hesitation and love beforehand
To become a resolute and ruthless entity able to achieve godhood
"I abandon here my doubt and vascillation" was the first cross most players probably find with the nectar burgeons indicating trina. I took it to mean that he was having doubts and facing indecisiveness about abandoning his other self, or his "love," which he ultimately chose to abandon because it was a necessary step in his plan to achieve godhood. in an "ends justify the means" sort of way. I don't think he WANTED to, but rather he felt like he had to if he was ever going to ascend. and he had to abandon his doubt first in order to make that step
That’s because Miquella learned from Marika. Marika never divested herself of anything so despite achieving Godhood she still retain aspects of her humanity and with that it’s short comings.
@@bigboy6019 or he refused to believe he had doubts, like sta trina asking him "are you sure about this?" And to make her stop convincing him he threw her off the cliff
@@snarky5341and without the human flaws he would become far worse than marika, he would kill without remorse, a god with rage is bad, a god that doesnt care if its population dies or doesnt care about killing is worse, like Ansbach and goldmask said, a great order is one led by men, not gods, for gods are too like men with too much power
We can see Trina's full body in one of the DLC trailers, so, if it wasn't obvious enough, this mostly-floral form of hers is a new development. I'd guess that this flower started out as a piece of discarded flesh, little different than what Miquella left at his other crosses, only it tried to grow back into Trina herself rather than just another empyrean-blood burgeon
She started out as a whole person, the scene we saw in the trailer was the exact moment Miquella abandoned her and left her down that pit and sealed the fissure
She might have pretty much barely survied the fall and in her weakened state her body bloomed to survive
Miquellas missing an arm in his final fight, so maybe discarding her meant he couldn’t fully reform in his spirit form due to his soul being split.
@@ShardofWant he actually has 2 extra arms
@@thecommentguy9380 yeah but they’re even more clear than his body, but his actually arm is missing
A few different moments in the DLC truly looked as if I was looking right at the most beautiful concept art for a video game, but I was standing INSIDE of it. Like being inside of a beautiful painting.
I feel bad for anyone who isn't/didn't thoroughly enjoy the DLC, we were truly blessed with this work of art.
100%. The complainers are actual dullards
Felt the exact same. Until the shit ending. Dragged the whole DLC down so much.
Everything about the dlc is good except for the ending
dude the first time st trina said her lines after us dying felt so ethereal. none of the videos here make justice to that feeling, u just gotta be there
I preferred the aesthetics of Liurnia at night tbh. The visuals in the DLC are striking, but generally not to my taste.
So...St. Trina is just an bigger St. Trina's lily
Lil Saint Trina's
well alot of her blood becomes the nectarblood flowers given she was tossed of a cliff her bottom half could have transmuted after she was bleeding out
In trailer she looks very normal. Probably she turned a flower after Miquella discarded her.
St. Trina is to die for. If you don't know, you'll understand when you meet her.
Imagine the people who missed that
@ParadiseLordRyu I havent gotten there yet 😭
Literally 😂😂😂
Ok thiollier we know its you
@@mamamosishrekcomments from his alt account 😂
A lot of Mediterranean flowers were named after greek gods, as a lot of other flowers after were named after saints and biblical events. Flowers symbolize life and death cycles, beauty, love , sadness and also blood. In Portuguese there's this beautiful flower that grows from a vine in bunches called (translated) "Christ's Tears". Elden Ring takes so much from how human kind dealt with the real and the sacred trough esoterism and science. How we named planets, chemical elements, fauna and flora. Its all connected, it's terrestrial and celestial.
Really taking the flower child motif to a whole other level. Makes the idea of the version of her on the Torch that's depicted as fully grown and seemingly intertwined with the Fell God a truly terrifying possibility that I'm glad never came to pass.
Why? Woulda been a dope boss fight.
How was it intertwined with the fell god?
@@jasona4445 She has one singular central eye, along with her hair making the same swirling patterns around that center as the Furnace Visage, One-Eyed Shield, & Troll's Hammer all use to represent the divinity of the Fell God of the Fire Giants.
I think the torch was designed that way because fire isn't inherently connected to st Trina, so the maker combined designs of St Trina and the Fell God to reflect a torch embued with St Trinas magic
@@PierceArner no implications of such thing thats just your speculation just because her hair design in the torch is swirly? there are a lot of thing swirling not related to the Fell God
she's a little lily. so cute
Heartbreaking, alluring, ethereal. They nailed Miquella and St.Trina.
Finding her be like: Worship ended with Miquella, St. Trina is my new god now.
okay thiollier
The age of nap 😴😪😴😴
I mean they are parts of a whole. That's why they die at the same time.
@@Nicky-mk1nvI kinda wished St Trina could've been saved but well 😞😞😞
@@mark0183 I see no drawback to such an age!
The vibe leading up to this, the dialogue thiollier, the calm music in her little grove, and how she looks, not sure exactly why but her design deeply effected me! It's beautiful in such a unique way. I'm not even gonna watch this vid because I don't want to see behind the scenes so to speak!
The endless screaming because I died to the skeleton guys horse ramming into me for the 495th time
S u c h a vibe dude
Don't even get me started on the fucking lasers I was about to fly to Japan and eat miyazaki
She blessed the merchants with tranquility and peace when their eyes were burning in frenzy, this character is a victim beyond what words can describe.
The voice actor did a phenomenal job as well - made me feel her pain and sorrow. Got really emotional toward the end
This character possesses infinite beauty and sadness. When I discovered (all by myself) that insisting with this character would trigger a specific cutscene, I was truly moved. Hearing Saint Trina say that Miquella - essentially herself - had to be killed gave me chills.
"Godhood would be a prison" genuinely made my jaw drop. It's crazy how such few lines of dialogue can convey so much.
sure you did
same. her whole dialog was so chilling. it was awesome lol
@@naka3339fr bro did NOT have to specify that he “did it alone”
@@pringlescanister I still don't know how Godhood can be a prison..
At long last, she fell asleep. A sweet, eternal sleep to wash away the suffering. There is no pain in death.
She is hauntingly peaceful, like stumbling upon a soul in a tranquil coma, sustained by fragile threads of life. Blissfully asleep, yet teetering on the edge of existence. We are, in essence, severing those threads, a sorrowful act. Miquella was never meant to forsake his love, to abandon her in this desolate place. How cruel must one be, to cast aside a piece of their heart, leaving it to be forgotten at the world's end?
Well, that was a mistake.
I don't believe Miquella was cruel before that, just unwise.
It is not cruelty. Miquella just discarded his ability to love in the fissure.
God of the Age of Compassion unable to love anyone is such a dark and fearsome concept.
He had to. Because divine states of conciousness can only achieved through absolute balance. divinity here is an ideal or a concept. And concept here is Compassion for all.
One of the most beautiful (and very sad) and memorable moments imo was actually discovering she was even down is the fissure. One of my most favorite moments in my play through thus far!! The music was also just on point 🤌🏽
I was literally vibrating with excitement when I came across a purple field. Since I already knew that he had discarded St. Trina, I figured she’d be there and the interaction would be awesome.
Her humanoid heads falls after completing her quest like a wilted bloom from a flowering plant it seems
The entire stone coffin fissure, the garden of deep purple, and finally St. Trina is such a tragic and heartbreaking setting. They really nailed the emotions here.
The man Who wanted to do all quest no death: 💀
But in the tutorial you need to die to reach Limgrave, so no death is impossible in this game
@@Leonardo-so7dbyou can actually beat the first boss as a samurai without dying
@@kirill.sedunov you can beat it as any class if you arent a scrub
@@kirill.sedunov You can beat it as any starting class if you know how
@@leroysmith4616you would still have to fall off the cliff after beating the Scion
St. Trina is one of the best From's designs. Beautiful, withered, dying, transitional on so many levels, like the sleep is. Peak elegy.
I do think abandoning St. Trina was one of the most difficult part Miquella had to do, she was the embodiment of his love after all and I've read somewhere on reddit, she may also symbolize his self-love which makes it even sadder. If you think about it, it wasn't about using Trina for his own selfish gains, he thought it was to only way to be free of his corrupt lineage, his fate. It makes me symphatize with him, I would like to give both him and St. Trina a hug...;;---;;
St Trina also symbolizes letting go of his haligtree and his followers. He did many things to create a place for the persecuted but failed because of mogh and now in the land of shadow he finds more persecution.
His compassion and grief to all of those slaughtered, must of made it difficult to continue with his task to become a God.
We gotta break Miquella's spell on you bro!!!!
@@ramoraid he didn't fail because of mogh, he straight up chose mogh - even enchanted him, people are stepping over the fact that he abandoned everything of his own will
@@lurksmcgee St Trina appeared to the people of the lands between and suddenly disappeared. I fits that miquella slumbering in his haligtree(to break his curse) and then being cut from the tree would make her/him disappear. If he did use mogh than he likely made him remove him from the tree, until after he broke his curse.
@@lurksmcgee The tree was failing and the needle wasn't enough to help Malenia. He "didn't" chose Mohg, he used the fool to lead him to the Land of Shadows. Mohg's rememberance even tells Miquella didn't answered his advances (let he do whatever he wanted with his corpse bc he was already long gone to the lands of shadows). So the blood cult stuff still all on Mohg's part.
Becoming a god was Miquella's last resort, he tried everything before trying godhood.
Mohg's body being used to be a vessel for Radahn is probably by opportunity bc Radahn's og body was completely devoured by Alexander.
She's so adorable
Cute sleepy girl
One of ny favorite encounters of the game and DLC. I got mesmerized by the color of the cave, the music, the design, he voice... It really makes you understand why someone would pray to her
Miquella with Trina: I want to give eveyone a chance to rest.
Miquella without Trina: Let's use my mind control powers to make everyone love me and resurrect the strongest demigod who can control fate to have endless wars roflmao
they both have mind control powers.. but it's clear that shedding away, heart, love, doubt and your other self.. would definitely loosen up any inhibitions regarding that..
I wonder if he, who abandoned Trina, could really keep hoping for a world full of kindness in his final fight...
@@ピクニック行きたい one thing that i dont get is why miquella hug radahn when he dies.
Yeah I couldn't tell what she was exactly like I thought she was a flower or a plant but I guess this confirms it though I wonder if she always was like this? Well thank you for this close up. Shame that was unused idk why they would.
In the story trailer you can see she still had a humanoid figure when Miquella abandoned her, but she has since deteriorated into a flower then.
@@wzx6x6z6w I don't think she deteriorated. I think it's showing her coming from the bud of a flower. Miquella casted away his body and we know his blood glows flowers/trees (Haligtree) and when he casted away his love she was born from that flower. It's like how Milenia's other selves were born from her flower buds
@@binkl2844Nope the story trailer is pretty much canon. The veiled woman was Trina who was caste deep inside the area.
@@pratiksengupta5336 I think it's a matter of how you perceive the trailer. There's no definitive answer because the game never tells what exactly is going on. In the trailer it showed St Trina floating in a sleep state when Leda says he abandoned his fate. But in the game it shows Trina as a bud and she herself says that she was casted aside when Miquella casted aside his love. Based on evidence in the game I'm assuming she's going through the same process that Milicent and her sisters went through because they also came from buds.
Well hello there Wealthy Bone, long time no see. For whatever reason, TH-cam keeps deleting my replies to you. So I’ve signed in on an alt just to drop by and say hello!
st trina looks eerily like the little girl from the animated movie "Angel's Egg" which was already an inspiration for FromSoft in DS3 (namely for the crystal egg hold by Filianore)
Angel's Egg is likely an inspiration for the entire vibe of Souls games, that being a desolate already-dead world with vague story.
It may seem strange that Miquella would sacrifice his “love” in order to become a more “compassionate” being. But love and compassion are not quite the same thing; compassion is the ability to feel sadness and grief even for complete strangers, while love is deeply personal. St. Trina was the side of Miquella’s Empyrean nature that could feel personal attachments; attachment to his mother, Marika, attachment to Melania, his sister, and attachment to St. Trina herself, who as Miquella’s alter ego shared both a body but also a relationship somewhat akin to that of Marika and Radagon. By casting her aside, Miquella is trying to achieve what many Buddhists and other ascetic religions try to accomplish; the eschewing of these personal attachments in favor of a higher, purer, more universal kind of love.
But his plan is doomed to failure, because without understanding love on that individual level, how can one understand individuals?
I am so obsessed with her design. Elden Ring is literally the game of renaissance in our time.
So crackpot theory here.
Miquella gives up his opposite gendered aspect, his anima, his love, in the form of St. Trina. That sacrifice produces a bud that grows into the beginnings of a young tree, which produces a sap and a person.
Malenia gives up her opposite gendered aspect, her animus, her dignity (as Millicent put it), which maybe took the form of her "daughters". That sacrifice produced a bud and grew into the Scarlet Aeonia, which produces the scarlet rot and several people.
To go one step further then...
Marika gives up her opposite gendered aspect, her animus, her... loyalty? (Tied to her betrayal that led to her becoming a god) Her ability to meld things together as a Shaman? In the form of Radagon, who is a loyal hound of the golden order, and whose philosophy dictates that all things can be conjoined. That sacrifice produces a bud that grows into the Erdtree, which produces a sap (which she collects, or collected while in the age of plenty) and a person, Radagon.
Ranni seems to break the mold though. She gives up her body, as I think all the others do too. She I don't think she sacrifices an aspect of herself though, unless Blaidd is that opposite gendered aspect... Maybe Ranni and Marika sacrifice their loyalty in the forms of Blaidd and Maliketh, where from Marika Radagon is produced, but from Ranni nothing can be produced because of Destined Death? Maybe that is why she is able to leave the world and move amongst the stars? Where does the Dark Moon factor in? Maybe in sacrificing St. Trina a new, different person is being produced from Miquella?
That rambled a bit but essentially, I think that to become a god an Empyrean has to give up their flesh and give up an aspect of themselves, which as a byproduct produces a tree. That tree grows and produces a sap representative of that essential aspect of the new god, and grows a new person. When that person falls from the tree like a fruit, the tree dies and that new person grows until they eventually either become a new god to replace the old, or are conjoined with the old god, erasing the previous two and producing a new thing. Marika, in order to subvert this order shatters the Elden Ring which governs this process, and prevents the conjoining of Marika and Radagon from completing. Radagon tries to repair the ring, but cannot, and Marika is imprisoned for her sin. Because the Elden Ring is now shattered, either a tarnished has to repair the Elden Ring so that Marika and Radagon's combination can complete and the cycle can continue, or a new Empyrean must rise to establish a new order.
Miquella is following the same path as Marika, and so is destined to, like her, eventually be destroyed utterly when he is rejoined after St. Trina grows into a new god. That is why godhood is Miquella's prison; he is imprisoned by fate to be erased as a person.
Ranni's sacrifice cannot produce a tree like Miquella and Marika, because her sacrificed body has been rendered Dead in the truest possible sense. Since she is no longer bound by the same fate as Marika, her fate can be guided by the stars and the moon. And unlike Miquella, she does not give up her doubts, or her love, as her final dialogues imply.
As for Malenia, we guide Millicent to her inevitable death mere moments before the two of them can be reunited. As she says "That if I am to flower into something other than myself,
I would rather rot into nothingness as I am." Like Miquella and Marika, Malenia and Millicent do not want to have their selves destroyed to make way for a new god.
Still not particularly cohesive as a theory but I came up with this on the spot after seeing 0:51
You're forgetting that there is a candidate for Ranni's other half... Melina. Born at the foot of the Erdtree, burned and bodiless. Who else is burned and without a real form? Ranni. Who else has a sealed eye? Ranni. They are literally opposites as well, one using solely Carian Sorcery and the other Miracles, much like how Radagon turned to Sorcery in an attempt to make himself whole again. Btw, Radagon was all of Marika's negative traits, which is why he governs the Law of Regression, is loyal to the Greater Will and the corrupted Fingers, and even has the Fire Giant's curse upon him that Marika originally was afflicted with. Trina is much the same, being poison to Miquella's abundance. Messmer's item descriptions mention a younger sister who saw a world aflame. Technically all of Radagon's children are also his siblings, so perhaps Ranni saw this world and that's why she started her quest to achieve godhood and cast aside her own flesh. We have to remember that Ranni's original body was a redhead, hence she was cursed by the Fire Giant as well, inherited from her father. Cursed with visions of fire, and after she died and her soul bound itself to a doll we see her true body burned. This fire was passed onto her other half perhaps, which is why Melina can burn the Erdtree. Remember, Marika was indeed conspiring with Ranni on the Night of the Black Knives, so Melina's task could have been given to Ranni, knowing full well that the other half could do it. Also, they're connected via Torrent. They also both speak to us at the Graces directly (Ranni during her questline through the doll). They both appear through apparition or mist before us.
I would also point out that the Melina we see at the Frenzy Flame ending could indeed be a Melina fused back together with Ranni.
By the way, I too assumed the daughters are the other half of Malenia. Since she's degrading to eventually regrow into a flower, perhaps she separated like one too, like pollination. Would explain how all of them look the same as her but feel like smaller shadows of a big whole. Gowry found them and wanted one of them to bloom into the Rot Goddess because their "mother" would not. It might have not even been intentional either, as her flesh is rotting away. The rotted flesh could have been rebirthed into new forms, forms that bear parts of herself. It seems that all Empyreans must separate from part of themselves to ascend to godhood.
@@SpacePirateLordYeah Ranni's shadow face fits well with Melina too
@Khann_2102 It does indeed; I have seen them overlaid and they are identical. The sealed eyes even synch up.
Melina is the sister of Mesmer tho
@ididntaskverified3663 The item description just says younger sister with visions of fire, not Melina by name. Remember, ALL of the children sired by Marika or Radagon are his brothers and sisters. Ranni is his younger sister too, and if Ranni and Melina are the same person, this all tracks perfectly.
By the way, it turns out that the Malenia/Millicent and her sisters theory we talked about is indeed true. In the Zullie the Witch video from months ago, "Rotten Family," there is cut content dialogue that proves it. In a cut ending to the Millicent quest, if Millicent had died without removing the needle then her consciousness rejoins with Malenia. The dialogue in the game files for this cut quest ending has Malenia know our character and refer to us the same way Millicent does. I find this adds even more validity to the Ranni/Melina theory because it proves along with St. Trina in the DLC that every single Empyrean has an Other Half, with us knowing that the four known Empyreans are Marika, Ranni, Miquella, and Malenia. By process of elimination this means that Ranni too has an Other Half since all Empyreans are accounted for except her. Miyazaki also said in an interview that there was a huge story thread that he has seen no one talk about in a lore video yet. I am assuming it is the Ranni and Melina connection.
St. Trina probably has one of the most unique character designs I've ever seen
the music and dialogue and how confusing and creepy yet beautiful she looks really set the mood here, it made me so sad in a weird way
Same man. It really bummed me out. I think its two parts. One is we see Miquella in trying to save the world and create a new age of compassion divests himself of the only emotion that could have helped bring it to fruition. Second we see St Trina as the last good part of someone dying and discarded. Tragedy man for real.
Well that explains the marking on Saint Trina’s torch. It is the dew that she cries for eternal sleep
I love St. Trina's design, it has a body horror feel to it, but its just so beautiful
Best character design in the history of the Souls series. Hands down.
It's what I'd imagine the Greek god of sleep, Hypnos, to look like. I hope From makes a game centered around Greek mythology one day.
Please also do a closer look for the Marika statue in Messmer's room. It's the first statue with her head attached, meaning we can get a Marika face reveal!
"only I am allowed to know. of your velvety sleep. its sweetly gentle embrace. so please, smile - for me, and only me."
- this could be in regards to thiolliare, but knowing how miquella discarded of her, most likely placed her here hoping none would find her, and this description from the talisman she gives you makes my heart ache.
St Trina's colour design was absolutely enchanting.
1:12 ah the cloth, she's wearing the same cloth as Miquella, just her's is purple and Miquella's is white plus gold
I’ve been waiting for a video like this to explore her design and character model. At first it felt a little unnerving trying to figure out what is what and where things begin or end but after a little I’ve found the design beautiful and majestic looking.
My first thought on seeing her is that "She really looks like the protagonist from Belladonna of Sadness brought into 3D space." It's truly amazing how Fromsoft could bring surreal paintings to life.
Honestly makes me wonder if St Trina’s nectar can be used to help put Godwyn to sleep. Like let me gather some and let me try at his main body. His mutated eyes are always open and can’t rest, and we see the Putrescent Knight was thankful for being able to rest (tho it DID come back to guard her so hm). Like I feel there’s a clear connection here, when we’re told that her nectar can likely put the dead to rest, and we have a Prince of Death who literally can’t rest, AND in the main game Miquella wished for and wanted to give Godwyn a true death too.
St. Trina’s theme is so beautiful
They should’ve made you enter her dream world. Missed opportunity for a BloodBorne homage
Unexpected cleaned dialogue with headphones on was the ASMR jump scare of my year
FINALYY!!! I've been expecting a video like this since release, thank you so much!!!!
When you realize that St. Trina is bleeding and has half her body missing because she was thrown into the Stone Coffin Fissure. Her body probably broke on the way down.
I like how Trina continues to sleep comfortably on the ground, it's like she can finally rest at peace
I like how her eyelids are puffy, nice detail for a character that has been on an incredibly long slumber.
Trina is literally, a flower girl 🌼
Puberty: Okay, dude. I think you've done enough. Why don't you let me take her from here?
Scoliosis: No, I don't think I will.
I feel like St. Trina was really underused this dlc. If only there was a way to free her. Maybe a bloodborne style dream world to get her back? Maybe we could have collected the pieces of miquella at his crosses to reform saint trina to summon her against miquella? Would have made this dlc even better.
I agree. I like to use Thiollier's hidden needle.
Call for maid?
Dude, yes.
In the game files it seems that st. Trina had a bigger role but just like the main game they cut it out unfortunately…
There’s theories that there’s a secret ending we haven’t discovered yet as there’s cutscenes in some of the trailers that people haven’t found as well as a couple structures that have been unused so who knows
This moment and finding Mariqa village were my fav moments it was amazing walking to that peaceful serene village bathed in gold while a gentle chord plays I don’t think ill ever forget that
Dearest Miquella, İ See You Have Abandoned Something You Shouldn't Have.
Miquella Abandons His Love.
I ended up getting a beautiful tattoo of St Trina on me and this video was the absolute best piece of reference I was able to send my artist so I personally want to thank you for making this video. You even included her dialogue and her music and included shots of her in her location so she was able to capture Trina’s majestic and melancholic nature and vibe. It also helped reveal that St Trina is just a tiny little fragment almost hidden in the mess of hair and flower petals and that’s represented in the tattoo as well.
Can i see it ? Any Instagram or Twitter?
Of all the things in this game that are fucking creepy. Nothing creeped me out more than walking in that cave and finally seeing St Trina
"I got invited to a wedding and the flower girl was so adorable. Then I thought to myself, how can I make this sad and horrifying?"
Hidetaka Miyazaki, probably.
I adore her floral design, it calls back to Miquella's original fae-like powers and attributes before he started giving up everything about himself for godhood. Trina's design reminds me of the faerie queen Oona from Magic the Gathering's Lorwyn plane which is one of my favourite planes in MTG.
1:40. As a St-Trina fan (my homeboy is Thiollier) The ASMR was appreciated. Too bad he missed out.
She really is just a little baby 😭
We need the sliders for this face! St.Trina face looks like the most impossible NPC face to make with the creator creation.
SO glad this came out; just coming across her in-game I had no idea what the hell I was looking at.
Saint Trina looks like the flower that is named after her, and that her human body reminds me of of a young child, and since Miquella was cursed to be stuck in a child's body, so maybe this what Miquella would have looked like, well not as a leggless flower child that is.
She is so freaking adorable
Peak fromsoft character design, so beautiful and much more interesting than I imagined for this character
in the trailer she was a full person not half flower.. but consider: Miquella and st trina's blood both grow plants...
She also whispers like she's in ASMR which makes sense since she's associated with sleep
You've never tried speaking in your dreams, it sounds soft, no matter how hard you yell.
St. Trina is legitimately one of the most confusing thingz to look at in all of Fromsoft. Glad you did this
It is interesting that the alter ego of Miquella which is St. Trina obviously seems to be a flower. Where did we see this motif as well? Exactly. His twin sister, Malenia.
Were they both initially supposed to bloom to achieve divinity? Malenia blooms three times to become the Goddess of Rot.
Miquella original fate might have been to become the God(dess) of Death/Eternal Sleep after some blooming?
don't forget about the miranda flowers as well, it's a subtler connection compared to malenia but with how many times poison is referred to in reference to trina('s nectar) during thiolliers questline (as well as poison being his whole thing) they're definitely overlapping the two concepts in some way for some reason. seems prominent and intentional
this actually could make a lot of sense, since eternal sleep being a permanent stasis lines up with his curse of agelessness
If you are talking about bloom remember miquella grew the haligtree and then places himself inside it. He went inside his tree to break the curse placed upon him. St Trina torch is the only item that describes and shows st Trina/miquella as an adult, (success).
It's clear that st Trina is tied to his haligtree and success in breaking his curse. Mogh cutting miquella out of his tree clearly screwed things up.
Miquella tried to kill her, look how badly injured she is.
St.Trina I consider to be Miquella's good side. Still sharing Miquella's wisdom, so much so that she knew we HAD to kill Miquella when he took things too far.
This actually horrified me to find because I couldn't figure out if this was a willing thing she'd done to herself or something that Miquella had done. Great work as always.
Rip Trina, you were the better half
The way the voice actress is sleep talking The lines is absolutely chilling.
Elden Ring's Morpheus looks like she bites her pens too hard.
Poor little saint. All she wants is to bless people with a good sleep, yet she is casted away in her most terrifying way she knows (the sense of falling is the bane of sleep). Moreover, she has probably lied at the bottom of the pit filled with corpse juice, stinking with smell of the dead (another bane of sleep), scared and bloodied, for so long until a certain clump of corpse juice absorbed some her liquid and turned into Putrescence Knight, which carried her inside a dry cave and took care of her
To think that Miquella would make his love, a part of himself even, go through such horrible ordeal is a clear sign Miquella has become a monster after removing St Trina from him 🫠
And yet, st trina still cared miquella, telling us to help him one more time
If St. Trina is Miquella’s other half, then is this what she looks like after Miquella discarded her?
Obviously
@@WobiKabobi ok the question wasn’t worded how I intended. What I was questioning is if this twisted form is the result of being separated. Questioning whether or not St. Trina was more human like before.
@@magnumdoinks5595 i think so! Similair to Radagon/Marika. In the trailer for the DLC, we can see Trina falling in a purple background, assuming that was her being thrown down by Miquella, or that is was just figurative.
@@magnumdoinks5595descriptions of items associated with her in the dlc talk about the nectar pooling and toxifying, like being dropped to the bottom of the world has caused it to concentrate and fester, congealing into something darker and corrupted. instead of a light fog of sleep that gives you gentle rest, its a heavy cloud that smothers you forever, never to wake again. So the idea that Trina herself was distorted in such a way makes a lot of sense
@@dumbsterdives yeah that does make sense. Only thing I’m wondering is the cinematic trailer showing what looks like St. Trina falling down or being “discarded.” Is that just her similar look to Miquella while still technically being apart of him, or is that what she looks like before being removed?
St. Trina being Miquella’s love also brings into question a lot of things. Is it love in the sense of Miquella’s compassion and kindness being represented through St. Trina, or is it love in the sense of what Radagon and Marika where?
The deep meaning of this character I think is one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen
Me either, im fascinated how they designed her
I’ve been waiting for this one Bonfire! St Trina & Romina are honestly some of the most beautiful I’ve seen since base game and I COULD NOT figure this one out…like I couldn’t tell is she was being birthed/cradled by the flower or WAS the flower. Her wings look like Miquella’s when pulled from the cocoon but the seem to be petals here??? So sad but beautiful 😢 deadly nightshade comes to mind but she’s more like a strawberry-most fruit bearing plants will produce blooms before wilting and produce/ripen the fruit. A strawberry however, produces a flower which sheds its petals and wilts-from the wilting bud it becomes the strawberry, before releasing it to the ground…..the grim art of reincarnation…
Marika shattered the ring because godhood was a cage and st Trina knew and wanted to save miquella and radahn from doing it again
Just beat the final boss and went down there to see her😢
This video was right on time
What happens if you go back to St. Trina after beating Miquella?
@@JasonAlikakosFitness she saddly die too and left a helmet that increase FP.
@@victtor2463 damn.. so I guess it's only lady hornset thats still alive and just sleeping?
Theres also moore @@JasonAlikakosFitness
@@JasonAlikakosFitnessnope... she says she's tired and needs rest... but if you come back, she's gone too.... place is messed up, everyone's gone😢
I think St. Trina is my favorite character design in a FromSoft game. I was floored entering that little cave.
Sad when you realize Radagon was discarded the same way as St. Trina, and was suffering a similar fate.
Radagon was discarded? How?
Radagon is actually marikas half which represented her origin before godhood hence the so called curse of red hair. She shed him to rid her of that origin before her ascent. There are more pointers but this is the simplest story I can tell @@kaine438
Well, he isn't. Radagon is still part of Marika, and she is part of him, that's why he fights you