My issue with NEW Speedpaints
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Ngl, mega respect for going back and revisiting the take. I haven't got any experience with either set of paint, but thought 'that dosen't line up with what I've heard from others but... I don't know?', so I didn't really care. But you really put your money where your mouth is about the integrity of your information, which now means we can all trust ur content even more! Love to see it
Nah don't trust youtubers! We're rotten to the core haha. But really though, I appreciate the vote of confidence :)
How does it taste?
The flavors are on the bottle .
It has complex notes of putrefaction and bile.
Like rectum... and it damn near killed him.
Asking the important questions. Respect!
😂😂
Mea culpa accepted, well done, glad you revisited your original post, class act. If fast drying time is the issue, you can try adding acrylic drying retarder. For large surfaces a flow aid additive might improve speed paints coverage, worth experimenting with. As to painting large smooth surfaces, I would check out some videos by scale modelers, they have some very clever air brush and other techniques as well as interesting products they use to achieve amazing results not generally practiced by table top miniature painters. Looking forward to more content.
Oh these are great tips. I'm going to try these out when my big box of 2.0 shows up.
Appreciate the tips Mr Gunn! I will definitely be experimenting more with these v2 speedpaints in the coming months.
@@OnceinaSixSide Then I might add I saw them replying to a german reviewer that the speed paint medium also works as a drying retarder , so if your getting the box , you might already have a retarder to make it more v1.
Or just use a better brand with none of these issues like citadel, Vallejo or dipping inks
Tasting the paint didnt even phase me after watching you take a sip of resin.
Try slapping the speedpaint as you've done here, but stippling with a torn on sponge afterwards. You still get texture, but it looks more natural. A few layers of stippled speedpaint would probably also look good.
Great idea! Next titan I think I'll do just that
Honestly hats off to you, just watched a few of your videos, you have a new subscriber.
Your editing actually amazes me, I love your almost documentary style take too. I’m not much of a painter either but appreciate you showing your steps and experiences, you models look great the way you paint.
Just wanted to leave a comment and commend you, your doing a great job and I love your videos. Will be watching them all, keep up the great work.
Appreciate that, thanks! 🍻
If you don’t mind I have some ideas that might allow you to get a better finish when using speed paints, contrast paints or any other type of quick color. The longer it takes you to fully coat a model or even move from one quadrant of the armor plate to another, the more likely they will run into the paint setting up and drying, and this showing brush strokes. My first recommendation is to use a larger brush for those large flat areas. You can continue to use a round brush, but the wider flat brushes will give you more coverage and allow you to store more paint in the brush. Which brings me to my second recommendation, use more paint than you think you need. Your paint is drying really quickly and showing brush strokes not just because of speed but because the medium is having time to evaporate before you can come back and go over it. If you use more paint, you can prevent this and you’ll be able to move around the excess paint which in my experience leaves few to no brush strokes on the model. Now I haven’t done anything quite as large as the titan, but I have painted a telemon dreadnought using exclusively speed paint 2.0 and I have 0 brush strokes showing on any of those large flat areas. I really hope that this allows you to enjoy using speed paints, they’ve honestly given me the motivation to go back and paint my models.
Appreciate the tips! 🍻
I feel like your initial criticism was correct for using a brush. They are called Speed Paints and advertised/marketed as a way to speedily paint miniatures (yay!). They are not called Speed Paints* (terms and conditions apply). I do like that you showed the side by side on the larger surface areas though. While I was disappointed with V1 speedpaints I found a use for them in painting plastic scenery.
Looking forward to that resin comparison, I don't believe anyone has done a video on the topic with such a desire for finding proper information, It will be a great resource.
It's coming!
Thank you for providing a different perspective and following up with a test. Helpful warning to be careful with large flat surfaces.
I thin it is good of ya to let us know when you learn more. We all get things wrong, or not as right as we had wished, it is how we deal with our mistakes that matter.
I just bought the whole speedpaint kit after using the regular one. I spent both days experimenting with every color this weekend for the entire day. What I found was some colors perform way way better than others. For the ones that dont, when it comes to flat areas you almost have to use multiple very light layers. The layer has to be applied in one even brush stroke, the more strokes you take the worse it looks. After a lot of experimenting I was able to get very even application but it definitely took a lot more nuance to how I applied it than I expected for something marketed as the quick and easy solution. That said I really like them and plan to do 75% of the painting I do on each model with them. I just think I have to alter the way I paint A LOT to accommodate them.
Engagement! Thanks for coming back to this, and keep up the good work.
Props for reflecting and acting on your reflections
You can get acrylic drying retarder, it shouldn't change the properties of the paint, but it would need testing to be sure.
Absolutely love the editing style!!
lol man, the fact you came back and corrected yourself is boss mode, welld one.
You could make an interesting thing with those streaky brushtstroke and large panels I think... could make it into an old aged or slappily adhoc painted thing.
"Let's do some tests and find out" - one of the most valuable sentences in the english language. Respect.
For large flat areas, lay on alot of paint, then sponge it
This was a useful showcase of your criticism and I think it was worth the time to check to see if you knee jerk reaction was accurate or not. Ill still blend the old fashion way, very slowly.
lol nice intro bit. It took me way too long to figure out what you were about to do.
edit: Your previous video is what convinced me to buy the speed paints - including the big v2 box. Don't worry about your subjective statements, they should be taken as exactly that! It does show good character to come back like this, and challenge your own opinions. Lots of people would just have doubled down. Ego things.
I definitely miss the v1 speedpaints, enough that I'm thinking of hunting down remaining singles of the colors I use the most . It seems to me that, aside from some of the thicker v1 colors like Hive Dweller Purple, the v1 paints show a lot more separation by default. They pull away from the high points more cleanly, and darken more noticeably in the recesses. I've also encountered the cracking problem with the darker v2 colors, and for me personally it's been a more significant issue than reactivation was for the originals. That said, the extended color range is fantastic and a liberal use of the speedpaint medium definitely helps get those highlights back.
just a bit of an early judgement. not the end of the world mate but good for reassessing your concerns
V2 seems better to me for standard minis. I've never had the chance to paint a titan. Well done for doing a more detailed 2nd review.
Not losing anything for a model of their size the detail is not as awesome as youtubers make it look.
Iv found that speedpaint/contrast paints usually don't work well over smooth flat surfaces, blotchy lol and if you do, try working top to bottom and not going back over spot already hit. They really benefit on models with lots of texture & recesses. Terrific vid and glad to see hobbyist do test, trying diffrent things to see what works for them and what doesn't👍🏻
To prevent lifting allow the first layer to dry hard and then varnish between layers using something like testors dullcoat. Using a softer brush and a lighter touch can also help, but starting with a good priming layer with an absorbent primer or chalky paint will help the most.
honest review, details and good testing, went back with an open mind and shared the true results. Well done. You have a new subscriber! :D Can't wait to see more of your content
It takes a big man to do a video like that. Well done. Honestly, you gave me a little pause when it comes to buying v2. I'll go ahead and pull the trigger on them now. Love your channel. Keep up the good work.
If you talk to him, please give my regards to Commissar G.
Cheers man :) Yeah I don't think you'll be unhappy with them if all you're looking for is an alternative to contrast paint. The thing it's supposed to do, it seems to do. But if you're like me and had been using v1's you might miss reactivation and the slower drying time if you like wet blending.
@Once in a Six Side this week be my first go at them. Thanks, bro!
I would imagine adding a retarding agent for large flat surfaces if you absolutely want to brush them.
Nothing with either version of the SpeedPaint really impressed me. I'm screwing around with the Vallejo Xpress Colors myself and pretty happy with them, though of course not doing any massive flat panels.
Really informative video, thanks.
Nearly there with the camera framing!
I know, getting there! I dunno what it is I'm sure I frame it up right then I hit record and I'm just always out of shot. Oh well I think the video still works haha
You could add glaze medium to the speedpaints to lengthen drying time?
I love your content, despite the length. In my opinion your best video is about the Cadia stands box, I imediatelly tried to redo it, but failed
10/10. Follow up and delivered more quality content. Humbling yourself is a strength of character and a true show of who you are as a content creator. I look forward to more and more videos because I know what you say is truthful and delivered correctly or corrected. ❤
Cheers bud :)
What happens if you apply the speed paints to large surfaces by wiping it with a sponge?
At a curiosity, did you try adding any speed paint medium while doing the blending or the large panels.
Large flat surfaces is the weakness of all the transparent paints, but adding some of the SpeedPaint medium should help some in both scenarios
How do the new Speedpaints react to being mixed with retarder? I don't have any of the v2 paints to try this out but could it provide a way to get that v1 longer drying time?
I really enjoy using the V1 speedpaints and reactivation is definatly a feature I love in them. Not tried the V2s yet but tempted to pick some up for areas where I don't want any reactivation occurring.
Could you put a few drops of slow-dri into a bottle of V2 to make it not dry as fast and get that working time you are after?
I've had absolutely no issues with either 1.0 or 2.0 speedpaints
Don't feel stressed about making next video ;) Keep your pace and don't rush it. Personally I like that you are being honest in your videos. Another thing is that criticism sometimes hit much harder than we expect... But what you did on those videos is nice test of both versions of paints in case if someone didn't use them yet (like me, I only got one vallejo xpress paint for skin). Also you can't make everyone happy, with growing number of viewers there will be people with extreme opinions and if one are happy the others are not.
Great channel and strangely comforting to hear a someone with a familiar accent sharing their wisdom.
Thank you kindly!
I definitely find V2 is a lot less brush-agnostic than V1, sometimes the paint comes out quite jam-like at the end if its not liking that brush, also kills a brush a lot quicker
Why go to speedpaints when stuff like liquitex acrylic gouache does the same thing but better when thinned to a fine wash? They cost like one tenth of what AP charges for these or what GW asks for their weird inks they like to call contrast paints.
They're thick artist paints so if you're thinning them down for slap chopping one 59ml bottle, which costs about 11 euros will probably last for like decade, or however long it takes for paint to just completely die in the bottle.
You're my new favorite hobby channel! Would love to see some collabs!
I loved the reactivation of the V1 SP's
I know this is probably unrelated, but would you ever be interested in making a desktop tour? I'm sure us aspiring videographers would love to see your lightning setup!
You mean like a studio tour?/How it's made kind of thing? That could be a fun behind the scenes video!
@@OnceinaSixSide for sure! Or your workflow in general, since I really like the cinematic feel and black backdrop. And you also make your own sounds and music which I find fascinating. How the sausage is made would make for a really compelling video imo
@@Nextr0nWasTaken I'd actually really enjoy making a video like that, but I don't think it would make sense to release publicly on the channel given it is a bit off topic. So if/when I do it would have to be a coffee exclusive 😁
Could you add a retarder to slow the drying time? Would that mess up the speed paint thing?
Dunno! I'll have to try
Regarding what's your favorite tool, to each his/her own really. You are totally entitled to have an opinion on what fits your painting style the most or what kind of model you're doing. Big respect though for reassessing your first take on the product. Class act. And as long as you're not one telling me I must be a nazi to be painting and playing WW2 german troops on a wargaming board, we should get along fine ;)
Don't stress about your assessment about something as unimportant as a type of paint!
Keep making your high quality, awesome content. Focus on the cool and fun projects you are sharing!
Cheers, and will do!
The "texture" you get from Speed paint 2 on a large panel is pretty interesting.
You're allowed to have opinions, even poorly formed ones you make up on the spot. 😄Good on you for going back and doing some careful experimentation! Do NOT freak out about this in the future. Keep doing what you're doing, because it's awesome.
Cheers Jim! I'm trying not to freak out haha, I just felt an irrational sense of urgency to nip this one in the bud sooner than later, as well as to scratch an itch to make something short and easy for a change :D
So is the video on the Warlord Titat coming ;)?
The sight of that blotched titan plate hurts so badly it created a new chaos god in the warp
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Fantastic
Comment for the comment god.
I didn't think your previous observations were really hot takes but yeah good on you for going back and revisiting your bias.
Honestly I think it'd be nice to have something similar to SpeedPaint medium, but with the sole goal of extending the drying time so that people can continue to play with reactivation and *a bit of assistance with large panels*
I thought he was going to inject the speedpaint into his vein.
Coming up.. On the next episode!
Why would you use such a small brush on way bigger pieces. It would be logical thinking to use a 1.5 -2" wide brush. Then you might actually get the affect of the speed paint cause your able to apply and coat the piece faster and way before any drying happens. Giving you better results.
I mean... having a preference for one paint over another, even from the same range or manufacturer, is a subjective and valid experience, regardless of whether there actually is much of a difference. if it feels off, your painting experience will be off. finding a paint or tool or whatever that just clicks intuitively can change the way you hobby completely for the better.
100%
So lesson is it's models and painting let's just take out time and enjoy it
All my first uses of V2 it cracked when it dried. After much searching here and in the patreon communities I’m in, I think it’s because I’d used a satin varnish over the previous layer of painting. (Sharing in case anyone else encounters cracking)
Where did you get those bugs from in the beginning? The ones you said you painted before the video. I didn't quite catch where you said they were from?
Check the description, they're from puppetswar :)
I don't think they need any justification in my experience having tried all the contrast like they are the worst by far.
1.0 reactivation make them useless in most case scenarios
2.0 present crackling with many primers so i don't would get them either except is you miss one color in particular
GSW dipping inks are way better and half the price
Contrast are Well the best ones , but expensive
Normal paint with speed paint coating can work better on large flat areas like put a lare of light bule than put magic blue speed paint on top
have you had any cracking issues with either version of the speed paints?
Can't say I have!
@@OnceinaSixSide ok thanks! I saw a couple others have cracking issues, but they were doing things like blow-drying the models or using an ink-based primer that dries very slowly with the fast-drying Speed Paints on top, and idk if they were waiting long enough between layers or not.
Honestly, the original speedpaint 2.0 video you did was not as bad as a lot of the others I saw. Some of the other videos I saw were people who, according to the comments, were using a primer which is known to cause cracking with a lot of paints, or having the same issues with the mixing balls getting stuck that I, and many others, are very familiar with in v1.
Regardless, I was mostly only looking forward to the metallics and to have more variety in skin tones without having to make my own.
There are also a few youtubers who have either been paid by the competition or were part of the development cycle of competitor products doing reviews on speedpaints and putting them in a bad light.
The issue I have with my original take is I formed my opinion based off of a misguided feeling that "speedpaint v1 would have performed better here", when it clearly performed equally as crap at the given task (large armour panels). Having gone back and looked at it closer now I think for the most part I'm gonna be pretty happy with these new paints, and whether or not I personally miss reactivation is yet to be determined.
@@OnceinaSixSide What I was trying to get at, was that I liked that you made a follow up video addressing the criticism you got, when the more focused painting channels, some of which were part of the development of 2.0, made worse mistakes and didn't do so.
@@cp1cupcake Sorry I didn't mean to come across defensive, and I think I may have misread your original comment. I appreciate your input :)
The only thing worse than bad tasting paints is good tasting paints. Looking at you Vallejo Dwaf Grey xpress color
I found when using speed paint v1 on large surfaces, the brush needs to match the size of the panel, bigger panels need bigger brushes. But I've never tried to paint something like a titan panel, I imagine in that situation you'd need a brush so big that it'd take the entire pot of paint just to wet the brush, lol.
AIrbrush for large flat areas. ALL speedpaints performs poorly on large flat areas with a small brush. You are just not using speed paints where they excel, which is surfaces with texture, or change out the brush for an airbrush.
@@dustinhollis Yeah, but if you're painting an army, you may want the vehicles to look consistent with the infantry, so swapping out painting techniques is undesirable. Also not everyone has an airbrush.
I have struggled with acrylics for quite some time and when I discovered reactivation I fell in love with it. Now that that's gone I will NOT be buying 2.0. I will likely be using basic acrylics as a base and add oils instead. As soon as I finally thought I had an acrylic i liked, Army Painter shat on my joy.
Yeah it definitely still feels like a loss of features rather than anything actually being gained here (other than new colours and metallics). For now though they seem to be behaving about how I'd expect, so until I run into a situation where I do miss reactivation I think I'll be okay with these for the most part.
What are you on about? It's not like Army Painter broke into your house and stole your old speed paints. Just keep using the 1.0 if you like them better. What a histrionic lune.
@@trisbane4086 first of all paints run out, second of all there are only a limited number of colors in the version 1. I'm not declaring that we wage war against army painter I'm just saying I'm not going to version 2.0 and I'm going to do something else instead. If you think that's acting like a loon and I think you might need to look in the mirror because your reaction to my statement is pretty Looney.
@@aaronbono4688 " As soon as I finally thought I had an acrylic i liked, Army Painter shat on my joy."
That's what you said. No need to write a paragraph back peddling and justifying your lunacy. Go buy some more of your 1.0 paints. And remember, you can mix paints to get the color you want.
@@trisbane4086 it's an expression. Jesus, learn to understand English better.
Wait a minute where is that video you're talking about?
i add water to the speedpaints on large surfaces
I really think you want oil paints.
Cheers!
Oh believe me I have a lot of oil paints, and they terrify me haha. One day I will tackle that challenge!
I bought some on the new speed paints, I'm not impressed with the streaky results. I dont feel like its the fault of the paint they do what they say they do. I just dont think contrast/speedpaint is for me.
Will not get speedpaint 2.0. Best thing I like about speedpaints is the reactivation so don't think I'll buy the new ones. Will probably use up the originals and then move to other paints. Really liked that if I made a mistake (with my hands that is something that happens often :D) I could wipe it away really easily and after I've done the painting, I could take a wet brush and rub the minis to make easy overly white highlights. And if I want to prevent that, I can deal with that by using some varnish before oils or anything... A style I liked and I did win a painting contest using that. I got nothing against the new ones, I see that others really like them but they're just not for me.
My takeaway from this and many other videos is to not try to use ANY brand of these types of paints for large flat surfaces. They work great on textures and details on smaller minis. Otherwise just use normal paint, it will look way way better even if there is no contrast.
Try with a bigger brush maybe!
Well you know, you can't fix every problem with a hammer. Speedpaints 2.0 are just yet another tool in the toolbox. I'm excited for them but I'll be using them to paint 32mm minis.
I would say, try shooting speedpaints through an airbrush, maybe that'll give a better effect on large panels?
Reactivation is useful unless it isn't, and indeed is catastrophic unless it isn't, and sadly this all depends on externalities like personality, mood and how busy you are! Additives are annoying to work with. I think maybe we want someone to give us paints that reactivate quickly and smoothly by default, but cure in seconds with UV? Maybe even hobby lights with a “fix that” button?
And of course smoothness on a flat area is genuinely hard given that the pigments are actually powders. If the pigments were just made of nanorobots that could move themselves to where they are needed…? Ahem. I'll go and take my pills now….
Huge respect for you for not being afraid to correct yourself, and putting in the scientific method. But this clickbait title sucks, should have called it "I was wrong about the new speedpaints"
Since the old world is comming back, you could do a small army with details but for those of us who only have 2K or older printers. Sadly It's hard to find balance between details and supports.
But why would you use Speedpaints over large flat areas?
preach, Brother
Good on you for being willing to reexamine an opinion! Rare today
It’s funny because I bought the V1 Set after watching your previous video saying v2 was worse in terms of drying time etc. now seems you think V2 is better generally, 🤔😂🤷♂️🤦♂️ Anyway, hopefully they’ll work out ok for me I’m looking forward to giving them a try. Thanks for all your content, keep up the great work.
Haha damn, I am sorry I suck at my job. Honestly if you don't find reactivation a useful feature I think you'll be totally happy with either version. I'm aware now after making this video of some other critiques raised against v2 speedpaints that people have, but in any case don't feel bad about picking up v1's - they're absolutely brilliant.
Also to clarify, I don't think v2 is generally better, I think it performs about how I would expect it to in its core function. Ie, shade in the recesses and highlights on the topmost surfaces/edges.
@@OnceinaSixSide Not at all, I'm particularly interested to try out the longer drying time as this is what I'm looking for from contrast paints, they are quick to dry and often don't give you the time to do what I want blending wise. Hopefully the V1 will be better. In terms of reactivation, nothing a quick spray of matt varnish won't fix, I don't really see the big fuss about reactivation, having said that, I haven't tried them yet... so we shall see. I'd be interested to hear the critiques against V2, another follow up vid perhaps? :-D
@@oleww50 I don't think speedpaints will see another dedicated video anytime soon, however do expect more commentary on them in future videos as I spend more time with them on other projects :) For now, check out Gray Scalp Miniatures and his review.
I think you need practice on painting with contrasts. Warhipster has it down. Paints vehicles well with them.
It's funny how when speed paint 1.0 came out and people were pissed that they took too long to dry and now 2.0 comes out and now they dry too fast. It's interesting how differently people use them. I will say that 2.0 blending is alittle hard to pull off because of the faster drying time. But overall the speed paints are a really good paint set ! And I recommend them
Did u test mixing in some retarder to V2? (Only got V1 myself and reactivation was never an problem for me anyway).
@@kueppe same V1 didn't rlly reactivate for me either , mainly just the Red was noticable if I didn't hit it with a varnish before I tried touching up with white. But nah I haven't thought of that , I usually just use them out of the bottle. What kind of retarded do I recommend?
Medium simpin'
Speedpaint requires a thick coat as far I am aware, having a thin coat on a large surface will give you the poor results
The issue is not, I think, the thickness of the coat but the lack of texture. Both speed paint and contrast paint require a varied surface in order to get the contrast effect of pulling away from raised surfaces and pooling in recesses. A big smooth surface doesn't let it do that, which in combination with its transparent nature makes brush strokes very prominent.
why would you use speed paint for large flat areas? The point of speed paints or contrast paints is to have bright highs and dark lows, on a flat area you have neither. If you want to quickly paint a large flat area like a titan, just airbrush normal paint brother
Contrast paints also work well with airbrush, but it makes sense only as filter
But agree, even paint of large areas with brush would work a lot better than any kind of contrast paint, especially with airbrush
Because it gives you a base layer with slight variation in tone to begin stippling and highlighting from, especially with black
@@chaosclg you can achieve it with stippling with sponge/brush, with glaze on top if necessary, imo it looks more natural as texture, not as poorly painted surface
@@gi1dor yeah man absolutely! For some colours i like to do it just to get some extra tones in there totally depends on what the painters going for though i get good results though. good to have up your sleeve
Watching this video post LinusGate2023 really shows how someone should handle criticism. Great work mate, new to the channel and I'm loving the content.
NGL they all look like ass when you leave brush strokes and streaks over flat surfaces. They are good for airbrushing or for using on texture or even small armour panels if you put enough on so the surface tension is smooth and it does not leave watermarks, I use a lot of acrylic inks and stipple tanks to give a pitted worn armour effect but if I just brushed it on it would look poopey.
Why is This Old Tony talking about speedpaints?
Well. Paint is expensive so with the pricedrop on 1.0 i got the mega set.
I love the paints....but varnishing is annoying as hell.
I think for moni use 2.0 is better... but for large surfaces 1.0 is the way
*mini
But your tests didn't match the quality of the work you did with v1. Im not convinced. I could see how a titan panel would be too much though.
I don't understand how you're upset that a fast drying speedpaint is drying quickly over a large surface when they're designed to be used on a small surface.
Using Speed Paints on large flat surfaces..? Eh?
No speed or contrast is meant to paint on flat surfaces.
It's common knowledge.
2 coats and it works fine literally no issue, Do it on tanks and cars all the time you just arent going to get good saturation with one coat. Used contrast as base coats as well despite the hobby guy saying its not doable. I think it comes down to people just wanting quick results which is obviously the advert but i see them as a thicker wash to build up layers with fantastic results 💁
It seems like most of the issues you have would be solved by using larger brushes or smaller minis. Saying they perform poorly when you’re essentially using them “wrong” seems disingenuous, but I do understand you gotta get them clicks
You're gonna need a bigger brush. Seriously, if you're going to paint a flat surface that large with a brush, it needs to be either a wide, flat brush or a large round brush that can hold a lot of paint. As others have mentioned, adding some drying retarder and thinner might help on these large surfaces as well. I'm experimenting with Contrast for the first time ever and I've found a few drops of my airbrush "sauce" (60% airbrush thinner/20% drying retarder/20% water) makes it spread and flow into a recesses a lot better.