Thank you for this very informative and important video. I had no idea this was going to be a thing, so I am really thankful to you, for bringing it to our attention. 🎉
A very helpful and informative video, Alain! (On another topic, do you plan to do a vid soon on insider tips for Paris' [and France's] 2024 Christmas Market visitors? I'm certain it would be popular. Best wishes from northern California, and thanks again for your delightful videos!!)
Le Navigo jour 5 zones incluait les aéroports ; il ne le fera plus dorénavant. Je dirais qu'il y a 99% de chance que le Navigo semaine inclue les aéroports, mais pour l'instant je préfère ne pas le garantir à 100%
@@paristoptips yes, often when I go to Paris I wd try to stay a week (or close to a week as possible) and take advantage of the Navigo weekly pass -- i watched this video thinking the day pass is way too $$ & what happened to the Weekly pass... will wait for your update but simplification is always good (for us visiting!) After all, who wants to spend time calculating which zone/fare you shd pay when visiting. This is a positive move. Just wish the govt had made it across all public transit options, i.e. RER-Metro-BUS-TRAM
Bonjour. Thank you for this new update. We have the Navigo Decouverte pass from our last visit to Paris. Can we still use this. We have an upcoming holiday planned for February. Merci.
@@12flyonwall The Navigo Liberté +, not really a thing for visitors, hence I didn't mention it, will accept all newly created tickets so be extended to the whole Île-de-France region. Furthermore, tickets on Liberté + will only cost 1,99€ for metro/RER/train and 1,60€ for bus/tram. And the connection between the bus or tram with the metro, train or RER is offered with Liberté+
Wonderful information and I am looking forward to it being less confusing. We are coming next month to Paris and want to visit Saint Denis Basilica. I am confused if I will need to buy a specific ticket to get there (from the Louvre area) even if we have the Navigo Easy pass. Would you happen to know?
If you take metro line 13 to Basilique de Saint-Denis station, it's a standard t+ ticket that you can load on your Navigo Easy pass. So, from the Louvre, take metro line 1 towards La Défense and change at Champs Elysées Clémenceau for line 13 to Saint-Denis Université (beware, not to Asnières, there's a fork) and exit at Basilique de Saint-Denis.
Hello, I have planned a trip to Paris in 2024, and I would like your help to clarify a few things. First of all, if I purchase the Navigo Weekly Pass through the IDF Mobilité app, can I use it for my transfer from Charles de Gaulle Airport to the city? Or, since it is a direct transfer, will I need to buy a separate ticket at the airport? Secondly, since I intend to book my weekly ticket through the app, will I be okay if I just upload my photo in the app, or do I need to do anything else to be fully compliant? Thank you very much!
@@paristoptips Sure, perfect, thank you. And one last question: I purchased my Navigo weekly pass and added it to my Apple Wallet, but for some reason, my photo doesn’t appear on the card. I’m wondering if I did something wrong or if that’s how it’s supposed to be. The reason I’m pointing this out is that I’ve read weekly passes are supposed to be personalized, and during checks, the card should have my photo on it. Did I make a mistake when purchasing the pass, or is this how it’s supposed to look?
Thank you for the detailed and informative video. Great information to have. This will make getting around easier and more simplified though it does leave room for improvement as you mentioned 🙏🏼
as a banlieue resident and occasional user of the transit (I use the bus more often in my are, not so much the train and very rarely the metro), for me I could see the benefits, especially when Navigo Liberté+ finally starts for my area (I'm currently Zone 4), but I can see how it will be a complete hassle for those that use transport mostly in zone 1
@@paristoptips 85% of people living in the Paris urban area live outside the city proper of Paris. That distinction between "commuters" and "Parisians" feels a bit archaic.
Yes and no. The Parisians, as people living in Paris, complained about the new monthly price when it was moved from zones related to all 5 zones. Indeed, the new all zones monthly price was more expensive than what Parisians paid for zones 1 & 2 beforehand. And now, see on twitter, they complain they will have to pay 2,50€ instead of 2,15€.
Bonjour monsieur, merci beaucoup pour votre couverture complète de tout ce qui concerne le Parisien. Nous (2 personnes) resterons à Paris pendant un mois (25 novembre). Sera-t-il encore possible d'acheter une carte Navigo mensuelle (carte physique en carton) ? Aurons-nous encore besoin de photo ? Connaissez-vous le coût mensuel et est-ce le meilleur moyen/le moins cher de voyager en métro/rer ? Nous aimerions également nous rendre à Lyon et à Reims à des occasions distinctes, quels billets me conseilleriez-vous s'il vous plaît ? Anglais. Hello sir, thank you very much for your comprehensive coverage of all things Parisian. We (2 people) will stay in Paris for a month (November 25). Will it still be possible to buy a monthly Navigo card (physical cardboard card)? Will we still need photos? Do you know the monthly cost and is this the best/cheapest way to travel by metro/rer? Also, we would like to travel to Lyon and Rheims on separate occaissions , what tickets would you advise please?
Physical Navigo cards are plastic cards nowadays. You can purchase a Navigo Découverte card (5€ + a photo) and add on it a monthly pass for 86,40€. You can also have it on the IDF Mobilité app on your phone, which will allow you not to pay these 5 euros and bring a photo with you.
Thank you. I purchased a Navigo Easy card in December 2023. I kept it as there is still rides/money on it. Will the card still be valid next year if I just top it up?
I'm an Australian going to Paris for a month. I've downloaded the Isle de France app. I was going to get the weekly 5 zone pass, and then the monthly pass (as it only operates from the 1st of the month) will these still be available?
The region's and transit authority president said that if people still have unused tickets past the end on 2025, they'll "work something up" for people to avoid losing them.
Bonjour. Merci pour les informations, mais il me reste quelques questions auxquelles je n'ai pas trouvé de réponses sur le site d'Île-de-France Mobilités. Je possède un passe Navigo Découverte et j'utilise le forfait semaine lors de mes visites à Paris. Pourriez-vous me dire s'il y a des changements prévus pour ce type de passe et ce forfait ? Merci.
J'ai posé la question au service communication d'IDF Mobilité. Voici la réponse: "Rien ne change concernant les Navigo, qu’il s’agisse des supports ou des titres (jour, semaine, mensuel ou annuel). Quant aux abonnements, les tarifs n’évoluent qu’en fonction de l’inflation de l’année en cours + 1 % maximum."
But what about the Liberté+, the monthly or annual navigo card ? I can change easily from metro to bus without pb. Or you are talking only about ticket and navigo card for tourists ?
You're right: these exist, but there not meant for visitors to Paris. And this channel is all about helping visitors get the most out of their stay in Paris. Liberté+ needs you to share your bank account details: I don't think most visitors would be interested into that, though it's a great solution for people living in Paris.
@@paristoptips oef, I always have a stack of tickets ( that I buy the previous trip) that I already hand out on the train at my students. When I come to paris with a group( paris nord) it's easy to get on the metro directly , no time wasted in a ticketqueue. If those little tickets disappear I don't know how to take the metro practically ( for a day trip) because they are ever changing persons with no Navigo.
This is what my contacts at IDF Mobilités told me when I asked the question: "Nothing changes regarding Navigo, whether it concerns the media or the tickets (daily, weekly, monthly or annual). As for subscriptions, the prices only change according to the inflation of the current year + 1% maximum"
I agree that it’s a missed opportunity not to offer a top-off multi-modal card like Tokyo’s Suica (and Pasmo). I have spent a lot of time in Tokyo and love love love the public transit with my Suica card. You can even use funds stored on it at many vending machines and retail stores (especially convenience stores). Absolutely brilliant-point Tokyo over Paris.
This wouldn't be a plus... The precise advantage of the new fare system is to only have 2 single fares and to remove zone / distance pricing. So when recharging either on Navigo or on smartphone, the top-up is done in number of trips and not as a lump sum of money as it would have no meaning.
@@GeraldFigal I have, multiple times, and it still won't make sense in Paris because there won't be zone or distance fares anymore. Plus, the transit authority doesn't have a payment operator license, so a Navigo will never be used to pay anything and will remain only a ticket medium. Suica simply is like a pre-paid wallet, so people can pay other things with it. It was created because there are different transit operators and distance based fares, making the need for a "money reserve" to pay for trips with varying fares. In Paris there's only one regional transit authority, and there will no longer be any distance or zone based fares, only 2 single fares will remain. So there's no need for a "wallet", only a ticket medium. Plus, the region will certainly not waste millions introducing something that has no use. If Paris kept distance based fares and introduced a tap-in tap-out system it would make sense to have such system, but not with the removal of distance and zone fares.
You can do all that with your smartphone in Paris and you also love the public transportation prices 4 to 6 times higher in Tokyo? Because I can tell you for a fact that the Parisians prefer their ways and their prices. The Suica is multimodal because it doesn't grant unlimited fare to the entire network. That's a mere paying method not a real commuter pass. The commuter pass in Tokyo is actually called teikiken and is separate from the Suica. It's also very expensive and doesn't allow to travel around.
Thank you for making this video. Trying to determine the cheapest transportation costs for our trip. Arriving on 29/12/2024. We had planned to purchase a weekly Navigo pass that we would use from Monday 30/12/2024 through Friday 03/01/2025. Will we still be able to do that? Planning travel between zones 1 through 5 going to Versailles and DisneyLand Paris. We will be flying in to ORLY and out of CDG. I would greatly appreciate any thoughts you have on what would be best to do.
Thank you for this video. Do you know what will happen to tickets (t+?) that I have on a Navigo Easy card. Will they become bus tickets in 2025 or metro tickets. Will they become useless. Thanks.
That's a question I'd have to ask my contacts at IDF Mobilité. For the moment, I know they will still be valid until the end of 2025, in the metro, as far as I know.
This leaves me with more questions! Two separate Navigo Easy cards, one for Metro and another for busses? What about Navigo Decouverte weekly or monthly cards? What about tickets we already have on our NE cards?
@@julieparker8176 No, just one card that will support both types of tickets. And the ones you already have will be usable until the end of 2025 minimum.
Sounds like I’d better use up my old t+ tickets in the next couple of days before I leave France. I arrived Thursday with 9 tickets left from the carnet I bought in 2022. I usually spend my time in Paris walking most places, so one carnet lasts for several (almost) annual visits. It seems like my t+ tickets will have no value after the end of this year. Am I understanding this correctly?
This is what they say on the 2025 information notice on the IDF Mobilité website: If you still have t+ tickets on your phone, your Easy pass or Origin/destination tickets in your pocket, don't panic! They remain valid until December 31, 2025. And if you want to buy new ones, this will be possible for 1 year, but under the new price conditions.
Shame they didn't copy the London system. I can use any touch payment card on the Tube and it will only ever charge you the best deal you could get i.e. a day pass if that worked out cheaper.
Apparently it's a significant expense for the transport authority (they pay Visa/MasterCard a fee for that). I recently had a course with an IDFM representative who told me they thought about it but voluntarily didn't, for that exact reason, with London as an example of what not to do.
@@paristoptips I mean, there are more intricacies than that, it depends on if the city has the possibility to opt out or not, because at the beginning, the cost can be fairly low, but apparently, in Paris, given the the extent of the network, it would be too costly to implement two validation systems alongside each other, so the transport authority could become trapped with the credit card payment and the fees associated. Then said fees could be increased by credit card companies.
On another subject, it's also the reason why so few shops accept the American Express card in France, to the large surprise of visitors... Too high fees in France!
The Oyster card and the Suica aren't more practical and they are useless in Paris. Public transportation is very expensive in London and Tokyo and the Suica isn't a commuter pass but a pre paid wallet. It's 4 to 6 times more expensive than in Paris. The Parisians would never accept that and most commuters use a Navigo which gives access to the entire public transportation network unlimited. The info you gave are for the tourists or people who don't commute daily. The commuter pass in Tokyo is called teikiken and gives access to one route between the 2 stations you paid for only. Basically you can't travel on the entire network like with a Navigo. Same with the Oyster card which is more similar to Navigo liberty or something. There is a daily cap not exceeding 8 pounds but only in the central boroughs not on the entire network. At this price better take a daily Navigo which gives access to the entire network unlimited.
This video, and the entire channel, is dedicated to tourists, not locals. And, to me, as long as you still have different tickets, for a tourist - metro/RER, bus/tram, airport tickets - a top up card would still be easier to use.
@@paristoptips But the public transportation network is made for the locals, not the tourists so they have to offer solutions for those who actually use the network daily, not for the visitors. If the tourists don't mind paying crazy prices good for them, for the Parisians that would be unacceptable. The tourists can simply use the exact same solutions as the locals except for the yearly Navigo and another thing which requires to be a resident, I think it's the Navigo Liberty, to be verified, and there is a top up card which allows to charge all the means of transportation including the airport tickets. That's the Navigo Easy or your smartphone. Which again is absolutely not worth it if during your stay you'll use for more than 30 euros of public transportation per week which was usually the case when the ticket for the Greater Paris was 5 euro. Now that it's 2,5 euro that's still the case for most tourists but those in Paris who won't move around may be better off with the Navigo Easy. Even with the regular Navigo the locals more likely use, we can go to the airports without a special fare but the route might be longer than using the RER B or the metro 14 depending on where one is staying. The only problem with the tourists is that they always insisted on using individual tickets instead of buying the passes which were cheaper, and using slower expensive transport to go to the airport like the special buses. That's the reason why they increased the individual ticket at 4 euro during the Olympics, to force them to use the passes and stop creating big queues at the vending machines for nothing.
@@paristoptips You're forgetting Liberte+ that you don't have to charge at all: you just take your rides and your are debited by the end of the month. Also frankly Oyster card sucks for occasional travelers in London. As you need to pay in advance, you often spend far more than what you'll actually use. The only thing that is really better in London is that you can pay directly with your credit card.
Liberté+ is great for locals, but you need to link it to a bank account, which tourists will not do, that's why I did not mention it in the video. Paying directly with a Credit / debit card is top notch, in London.
@@paristoptips Frankly, London fares are hell for tourists. You never know how much you'll be debited at the end of your trip. At least in Paris that is 2.5€ wherever you go, that's much clearer. I think that one of the reason for fare simplification is also to get rid of the "origin-destination" fares for RER and Transilien tickets. Ultimately, that should also make implementation of credit card direct payment much easier: simply charge 2.5€ to anyone ticking their credit card.
i’ve been able to top up my navigo weekly pass from my iphone (nfc + apple pay) all these years - will this not be possible in 2025 ?! most transport cards accept top ups directly from the phone these days & it would seem odd for navigo to stop something that has been & is currently in use. i’m also sure that an integrated pass will be available for commuting on trains, trams & buses as is the case currently, only perhaps at a higher cost because it’s otherwise a regression. most travel cards in the world offer such integration such as those in switzerland, hongkong or london. finally, creating a single zone is helpful but travel zones are related to occasional trip planning whereas loading card credits is an ongoing user experience, both of which are distinct & incomparable. many thanks for the heads up from this video & i will also try to find out more myself 😊
@@jan-toreegge9252 Which Navigo, Easy or Découverte ? Both will still be available... And as said in the video, the Navigo Day ticket will now cost 12€. The Navigo week will also still be available, but it might cost a little more, around 1 to 2%.
@@jan-toreegge9252 OK, I get it.... On Easy you can add tickets, which is a kind of top-up. But I'd prefer a top up card like the Oyster, where you just have a certain amount of money, and it gets used gradually.
I was in London and Paris last week and was able to experience both system. When it comes to payment, London was the most convenient with its contactless payment system. So easy and simple, with a cap of about $10 per day using the same card. However, I did enjoy the Paris Metro train ride experience with is rubber tires, it's quite smooth and quiet even on sharp curves, quite a different experience than the Tube. Overall, they're quite the same, both extensive and moves people efficiently. One more thing, Paris please accept American Express card! The only time I use a metro is when I travel because I live in city with no metro system (only a short monorail) and relatively small but growing bus system. And it's a city with 40 million visitors (4.74 international) annually.
@@mistersquirrel0 Yes, the London payment system is better, but the Paris metro, at least for me, is more comfortable and easier to use. American Express takes a fee of around 3 to 5% in France, that's why it's not as frequent as in the USA.
Just a new way to "tax" real Parisians to subsidize the non-Parisians who live in the suburbs. At least the Navigo Liberté + will have discounted pricing for each ticket.
I kinda agree, though it's nice being able to go anywhere in the region (except airports) for the same price. What I don't understand is why you wouldn't have this discounted pricing on the Navigo Easy. I did not mention Liberté+ as it clearly not meant for travelers to Paris.
Ceux que vous appelez des non-Parisiens sont aussi des Parisiens. Vous faites partie de la même ville. Les habitants des arrondissements devraient arrêter de penser que ce qu'il y a au-delà du périphérique est une terre sauvage.
so this means the prices have doubled in some cases if you need to take a subway then a bus. now you need to buy two tickets. whats was the point of taking away the 90mins free to hop on and hop off.. seems like a money grab and now people have to pay more. I guess the best option would be the weekly pass if you come as a tourist, if you fly into and out of the airport and stay 3 to 7 days. ?
First, hop off from a metro and hop on in the bus is already not possible, you have to use two tickets: the t+ ticket allows connections between bus and tram or between metro and RER, but not between metro/RER and bus/tram. For people staying long enough, I think the Navigo weekly pass on a Navigo Découverte card or on a smartphone will still be the best solution...
Somewhere in England not only ahead of somewhere in France in a key aspect (not price!) of public transport, but seems set to stay that way ..... well -bugger-me- colour me astonished!!
The changes sound very good for visitors. Thank you for your very clear explanation.
Glad it can help! Thanks for the comment.
Thank you for this very informative and important video. I had no idea this was going to be a thing, so I am really thankful to you, for bringing it to our attention. 🎉
You are so welcome!
Yes, it came a little bit as a surprise...
Very helpful and explained very well. Thanks!
@@TISTN1934 Thanks to you 🙏
As always, your channel is helpful and informative. Many thanks again 🙏🇫🇷
Glad to hear that! I'm happy if it can help...
Thank you, will review again before my next visit 😊
Please do!
A very helpful and informative video, Alain! (On another topic, do you plan to do a vid soon on insider tips for Paris' [and France's] 2024 Christmas Market visitors? I'm certain it would be popular. Best wishes from northern California, and thanks again for your delightful videos!!)
Thanks 🙏
Unfortunately, this year, I'll be away from Paris for a month before Xmas, so I won't be able to do a Xmas market video as last year's.
@@paristoptips Thanks for the reply, Alain. I hope you have an enjoyable holiday season!
ah well, something new to learn as i travel. thank you for this video.
My pleasure 🙏
Thanks for this interesting and helpful video 👏
Glad you liked it!
Thank you for this special update! Will the weekly or monthly passes still be around, and if so, will they include the airports?
@@kristopherschave9641 Yes they will, and, normally (we'll know later this year) it will still include the airports.
@@paristoptips Of course they will include the airports !
Le Navigo jour 5 zones incluait les aéroports ; il ne le fera plus dorénavant. Je dirais qu'il y a 99% de chance que le Navigo semaine inclue les aéroports, mais pour l'instant je préfère ne pas le garantir à 100%
@@paristoptips yes, often when I go to Paris I wd try to stay a week (or close to a week as possible) and take advantage of the Navigo weekly pass -- i watched this video thinking the day pass is way too $$ & what happened to the Weekly pass... will wait for your update but simplification is always good (for us visiting!) After all, who wants to spend time calculating which zone/fare you shd pay when visiting. This is a positive move. Just wish the govt had made it across all public transit options, i.e. RER-Metro-BUS-TRAM
Totally agree with your last sentence!
Bonjour. Thank you for this new update. We have the Navigo Decouverte pass from our last visit to Paris. Can we still use this. We have an upcoming holiday planned for February. Merci.
Yes, you'll still be able to use the Navigo Découverte.
Thank you for the first and the best video in this matter. Maybe you know how and where to buy bus tickets now?
Thanks. No, honestly, I don't know where these bus tickets will be sold, except at tram stations...
Thank You for nice video to help us planning. Do you have any ideas, where to buy bus ticket after this implement?
Also is it Navigo Jour Pass (12 euro) , also cover bus?
You're welcome...
You'll be able to purchase them at the vending machines in metro stations, but also in many shops that sell these tickets.
Yes, it will!
It wasn't mentioned, I assume there'll be an update to the usability and pricing of the Navigo Liberté ?
@@12flyonwall The Navigo Liberté +, not really a thing for visitors, hence I didn't mention it, will accept all newly created tickets so be extended to the whole Île-de-France region. Furthermore, tickets on Liberté + will only cost 1,99€ for metro/RER/train and 1,60€ for bus/tram. And the connection between the bus or tram with the metro, train or RER is offered with Liberté+
*Merci bien, Alain ! Ces changements sont une bonne idée !
@@enriquesanchez2001 Avec grand plaisir, Enrique !
Wonderful information and I am looking forward to it being less confusing. We are coming next month to Paris and want to visit Saint Denis Basilica. I am confused if I will need to buy a specific ticket to get there (from the Louvre area) even if we have the Navigo Easy pass. Would you happen to know?
If you take metro line 13 to Basilique de Saint-Denis station, it's a standard t+ ticket that you can load on your Navigo Easy pass. So, from the Louvre, take metro line 1 towards La Défense and change at Champs Elysées Clémenceau for line 13 to Saint-Denis Université (beware, not to Asnières, there's a fork) and exit at Basilique de Saint-Denis.
@@paristoptips Thank you so much!
@@TNB-1889 My pleasure
Will the weekly/monthly Navigo Découvert still be available? If so, will they still cover metro / RER / busses / trams?
To put things simple, yes, and yes!
Hello, I have planned a trip to Paris in 2024, and I would like your help to clarify a few things. First of all, if I purchase the Navigo Weekly Pass through the IDF Mobilité app, can I use it for my transfer from Charles de Gaulle Airport to the city? Or, since it is a direct transfer, will I need to buy a separate ticket at the airport? Secondly, since I intend to book my weekly ticket through the app, will I be okay if I just upload my photo in the app, or do I need to do anything else to be fully compliant? Thank you very much!
The answer is yes to both your questions: it includes the airport to Paris journey and you just need to take a photo of you with your phone
@@paristoptips Sure, perfect, thank you. And one last question: I purchased my Navigo weekly pass and added it to my Apple Wallet, but for some reason, my photo doesn’t appear on the card. I’m wondering if I did something wrong or if that’s how it’s supposed to be. The reason I’m pointing this out is that I’ve read weekly passes are supposed to be personalized, and during checks, the card should have my photo on it. Did I make a mistake when purchasing the pass, or is this how it’s supposed to look?
I'm afraid I can't help you there, as I use an Android phone.
The photo should appear on the IDF mobility app, not on the Apple Wallet.
Thank you for the detailed and informative video. Great information to have. This will make getting around easier and more simplified though it does leave room for improvement as you mentioned 🙏🏼
Thanks for your comment. I do think they could have done better.
If we use the navigo pass in 2025 which you told is 12 euros flat. We can use both bus/trams and metro/rer/train?
Absolutely. Anything except airport rail or bus links
as a banlieue resident and occasional user of the transit (I use the bus more often in my are, not so much the train and very rarely the metro), for me I could see the benefits, especially when Navigo Liberté+ finally starts for my area (I'm currently Zone 4), but I can see how it will be a complete hassle for those that use transport mostly in zone 1
It was already the case when they had the Navigo monthly all zones. The price was great for commuters but not for Parisians...
Most Parisians leave zone 1 because most of them work in the suburbs.
@@paristoptips 85% of people living in the Paris urban area live outside the city proper of Paris. That distinction between "commuters" and "Parisians" feels a bit archaic.
Yes and no. The Parisians, as people living in Paris, complained about the new monthly price when it was moved from zones related to all 5 zones. Indeed, the new all zones monthly price was more expensive than what Parisians paid for zones 1 & 2 beforehand. And now, see on twitter, they complain they will have to pay 2,50€ instead of 2,15€.
@@paristoptips French people always complain. That's how you recognize them. 😀
Bonjour monsieur, merci beaucoup pour votre couverture complète de tout ce qui concerne le Parisien. Nous (2 personnes) resterons à Paris pendant un mois (25 novembre).
Sera-t-il encore possible d'acheter une carte Navigo mensuelle (carte physique en carton) ?
Aurons-nous encore besoin de photo ?
Connaissez-vous le coût mensuel et est-ce le meilleur moyen/le moins cher de voyager en métro/rer ?
Nous aimerions également nous rendre à Lyon et à Reims à des occasions distinctes, quels billets me conseilleriez-vous s'il vous plaît ?
Anglais.
Hello sir, thank you very much for your comprehensive coverage of all things Parisian. We (2 people) will stay in Paris for a month (November 25).
Will it still be possible to buy a monthly Navigo card (physical cardboard card)?
Will we still need photos?
Do you know the monthly cost and is this the best/cheapest way to travel by metro/rer? Also, we would like to travel to Lyon and Rheims on separate occaissions , what tickets would you advise please?
Physical Navigo cards are plastic cards nowadays. You can purchase a Navigo Découverte card (5€ + a photo) and add on it a monthly pass for 86,40€.
You can also have it on the IDF Mobilité app on your phone, which will allow you not to pay these 5 euros and bring a photo with you.
Thank you. I purchased a Navigo Easy card in December 2023. I kept it as there is still rides/money on it. Will the card still be valid next year if I just top it up?
Yes it will
I'm an Australian going to Paris for a month. I've downloaded the Isle de France app. I was going to get the weekly 5 zone pass, and then the monthly pass (as it only operates from the 1st of the month) will these still be available?
Yes, they will
I still have 4 Metro trips on my phone from this past June. Are these still going to be valid with the new pricing? Thanks.
Yes, until the end of 2025
The region's and transit authority president said that if people still have unused tickets past the end on 2025, they'll "work something up" for people to avoid losing them.
Bonjour. Merci pour les informations, mais il me reste quelques questions auxquelles je n'ai pas trouvé de réponses sur le site d'Île-de-France Mobilités. Je possède un passe Navigo Découverte et j'utilise le forfait semaine lors de mes visites à Paris. Pourriez-vous me dire s'il y a des changements prévus pour ce type de passe et ce forfait ? Merci.
J'ai posé la question au service communication d'IDF Mobilité. Voici la réponse: "Rien ne change concernant les Navigo, qu’il s’agisse des supports ou des titres (jour, semaine, mensuel ou annuel). Quant aux abonnements, les tarifs n’évoluent qu’en fonction de l’inflation de l’année en cours + 1 % maximum."
@@paristoptips Merci.
@@djemidjema Avec plaisir 🙏
what about the Navigo Decouverte
Nothing changes.. apart for a few percent price increase...
But what about the Liberté+, the monthly or annual navigo card ? I can change easily from metro to bus without pb. Or you are talking only about ticket and navigo card for tourists ?
You're right: these exist, but there not meant for visitors to Paris. And this channel is all about helping visitors get the most out of their stay in Paris.
Liberté+ needs you to share your bank account details: I don't think most visitors would be interested into that, though it's a great solution for people living in Paris.
So the tickets that I already have at home and gonna use in Feb. 2025 are still good?
@@damiaanspatrick2050 Yes, they'll be valid until end of 2025 minimum.
@@paristoptips oef, I always have a stack of tickets ( that I buy the previous trip) that I already hand out on the train at my students. When I come to paris with a group( paris nord) it's easy to get on the metro directly , no time wasted in a ticketqueue. If those little tickets disappear I don't know how to take the metro practically ( for a day trip) because they are ever changing persons with no Navigo.
For the moment, they're not talking about stopping the cardboard tickets.
@@paristoptips Thank you, will be back in Feb. 2025.
Thank you for this! I will load up my phone app and Navigo Easy cards with carnets while they are still available.
Hello and thanks for the video, will the Navigo weekly and monthly exist, and if yes with the same pricing?
This is what my contacts at IDF Mobilités told me when I asked the question: "Nothing changes regarding Navigo, whether it concerns the media or the tickets (daily, weekly, monthly or annual). As for subscriptions, the prices only change according to the inflation of the current year + 1% maximum"
@@paristoptips Thank you and God bless
I agree that it’s a missed opportunity not to offer a top-off multi-modal card like Tokyo’s Suica (and Pasmo). I have spent a lot of time in Tokyo and love love love the public transit with my Suica card. You can even use funds stored on it at many vending machines and retail stores (especially convenience stores). Absolutely brilliant-point Tokyo over Paris.
@@GeraldFigal Absolutely!
Maybe in a few years...
This wouldn't be a plus...
The precise advantage of the new fare system is to only have 2 single fares and to remove zone / distance pricing.
So when recharging either on Navigo or on smartphone, the top-up is done in number of trips and not as a lump sum of money as it would have no meaning.
@@KyrilPG I think you have never experienced the Tokyo transit system. Once you have, you'd understand why it's superior.
@@GeraldFigal I have, multiple times, and it still won't make sense in Paris because there won't be zone or distance fares anymore.
Plus, the transit authority doesn't have a payment operator license, so a Navigo will never be used to pay anything and will remain only a ticket medium.
Suica simply is like a pre-paid wallet, so people can pay other things with it. It was created because there are different transit operators and distance based fares, making the need for a "money reserve" to pay for trips with varying fares.
In Paris there's only one regional transit authority, and there will no longer be any distance or zone based fares, only 2 single fares will remain.
So there's no need for a "wallet", only a ticket medium.
Plus, the region will certainly not waste millions introducing something that has no use.
If Paris kept distance based fares and introduced a tap-in tap-out system it would make sense to have such system, but not with the removal of distance and zone fares.
You can do all that with your smartphone in Paris and you also love the public transportation prices 4 to 6 times higher in Tokyo? Because I can tell you for a fact that the Parisians prefer their ways and their prices. The Suica is multimodal because it doesn't grant unlimited fare to the entire network. That's a mere paying method not a real commuter pass. The commuter pass in Tokyo is actually called teikiken and is separate from the Suica. It's also very expensive and doesn't allow to travel around.
Thank you for making this video. Trying to determine the cheapest transportation costs for our trip. Arriving on 29/12/2024. We had planned to purchase a weekly Navigo pass that we would use from Monday 30/12/2024 through Friday 03/01/2025. Will we still be able to do that? Planning travel between zones 1 through 5 going to Versailles and DisneyLand Paris. We will be flying in to ORLY and out of CDG. I would greatly appreciate any thoughts you have on what would be best to do.
I think the weekly pass is still going to be your best solution as, apart from pricing, it should remain unchanged in 2025.
As a Paris resident, I see that the benefits are merely for the suburban residents AGAIN
@@joanne_ft Quite right!
Well people don't just reside somewhere. They also work, travel, visit people, a place, live... That's the case of most Parisians.
Thank you for this video. Do you know what will happen to tickets (t+?) that I have on a Navigo Easy card. Will they become bus tickets in 2025 or metro tickets. Will they become useless.
Thanks.
That's a question I'd have to ask my contacts at IDF Mobilité. For the moment, I know they will still be valid until the end of 2025, in the metro, as far as I know.
This leaves me with more questions! Two separate Navigo Easy cards, one for Metro and another for busses? What about Navigo Decouverte weekly or monthly cards? What about tickets we already have on our NE cards?
@@julieparker8176 No, just one card that will support both types of tickets.
And the ones you already have will be usable until the end of 2025 minimum.
Best deal will be Liberte+: you don't pay anything in advance, you only ride your transit and get debited by the end of the month.
Sounds like I’d better use up my old t+ tickets in the next couple of days before I leave France.
I arrived Thursday with 9 tickets left from the carnet I bought in 2022. I usually spend my time in Paris walking most places, so one carnet lasts for several (almost) annual visits. It seems like my t+ tickets will have no value after the end of this year. Am I understanding this correctly?
This is what they say on the 2025 information notice on the IDF Mobilité website:
If you still have t+ tickets on your phone, your Easy pass or Origin/destination tickets in your pocket, don't panic! They remain valid until December 31, 2025.
And if you want to buy new ones, this will be possible for 1 year, but under the new price conditions.
Shame they didn't copy the London system. I can use any touch payment card on the Tube and it will only ever charge you the best deal you could get i.e. a day pass if that worked out cheaper.
That's true! Credit / Debit card payment is a plus.
Apparently it's a significant expense for the transport authority (they pay Visa/MasterCard a fee for that). I recently had a course with an IDFM representative who told me they thought about it but voluntarily didn't, for that exact reason, with London as an example of what not to do.
Interesting information, thanks 👍
@@paristoptips I mean, there are more intricacies than that, it depends on if the city has the possibility to opt out or not, because at the beginning, the cost can be fairly low, but apparently, in Paris, given the the extent of the network, it would be too costly to implement two validation systems alongside each other, so the transport authority could become trapped with the credit card payment and the fees associated. Then said fees could be increased by credit card companies.
On another subject, it's also the reason why so few shops accept the American Express card in France, to the large surprise of visitors... Too high fees in France!
Can I load my T+ ticket in mobile (app) without Navigo Card?
@@Jaikrat Yes, you just have to have the IDF Mobilité app or the Bonjour RATP app.
The Oyster card and the Suica aren't more practical and they are useless in Paris. Public transportation is very expensive in London and Tokyo and the Suica isn't a commuter pass but a pre paid wallet. It's 4 to 6 times more expensive than in Paris. The Parisians would never accept that and most commuters use a Navigo which gives access to the entire public transportation network unlimited. The info you gave are for the tourists or people who don't commute daily. The commuter pass in Tokyo is called teikiken and gives access to one route between the 2 stations you paid for only. Basically you can't travel on the entire network like with a Navigo. Same with the Oyster card which is more similar to Navigo liberty or something. There is a daily cap not exceeding 8 pounds but only in the central boroughs not on the entire network. At this price better take a daily Navigo which gives access to the entire network unlimited.
This video, and the entire channel, is dedicated to tourists, not locals.
And, to me, as long as you still have different tickets, for a tourist - metro/RER, bus/tram, airport tickets - a top up card would still be easier to use.
@@paristoptips But the public transportation network is made for the locals, not the tourists so they have to offer solutions for those who actually use the network daily, not for the visitors. If the tourists don't mind paying crazy prices good for them, for the Parisians that would be unacceptable.
The tourists can simply use the exact same solutions as the locals except for the yearly Navigo and another thing which requires to be a resident, I think it's the Navigo Liberty, to be verified, and there is a top up card which allows to charge all the means of transportation including the airport tickets. That's the Navigo Easy or your smartphone. Which again is absolutely not worth it if during your stay you'll use for more than 30 euros of public transportation per week which was usually the case when the ticket for the Greater Paris was 5 euro. Now that it's 2,5 euro that's still the case for most tourists but those in Paris who won't move around may be better off with the Navigo Easy. Even with the regular Navigo the locals more likely use, we can go to the airports without a special fare but the route might be longer than using the RER B or the metro 14 depending on where one is staying. The only problem with the tourists is that they always insisted on using individual tickets instead of buying the passes which were cheaper, and using slower expensive transport to go to the airport like the special buses. That's the reason why they increased the individual ticket at 4 euro during the Olympics, to force them to use the passes and stop creating big queues at the vending machines for nothing.
@@paristoptips You're forgetting Liberte+ that you don't have to charge at all: you just take your rides and your are debited by the end of the month. Also frankly Oyster card sucks for occasional travelers in London. As you need to pay in advance, you often spend far more than what you'll actually use. The only thing that is really better in London is that you can pay directly with your credit card.
Liberté+ is great for locals, but you need to link it to a bank account, which tourists will not do, that's why I did not mention it in the video. Paying directly with a Credit / debit card is top notch, in London.
@@paristoptips Frankly, London fares are hell for tourists. You never know how much you'll be debited at the end of your trip. At least in Paris that is 2.5€ wherever you go, that's much clearer. I think that one of the reason for fare simplification is also to get rid of the "origin-destination" fares for RER and Transilien tickets. Ultimately, that should also make implementation of credit card direct payment much easier: simply charge 2.5€ to anyone ticking their credit card.
i’ve been able to top up my navigo weekly pass from my iphone (nfc + apple pay) all these years - will this not be possible in 2025 ?! most transport cards accept top ups directly from the phone these days & it would seem odd for navigo to stop something that has been & is currently in use. i’m also sure that an integrated pass will be available for commuting on trains, trams & buses as is the case currently, only perhaps at a higher cost because it’s otherwise a regression. most travel cards in the world offer such integration such as those in switzerland, hongkong or london. finally, creating a single zone is helpful but travel zones are related to occasional trip planning whereas loading card credits is an ongoing user experience, both of which are distinct & incomparable.
many thanks for the heads up from this video & i will also try to find out more myself 😊
Nothing will change for the weekly and monthly passes, so you'll be able to continue doing what you did before.
Does it mean Navigo is out?
@@jan-toreegge9252 Which Navigo, Easy or Découverte ?
Both will still be available...
And as said in the video, the Navigo Day ticket will now cost 12€.
The Navigo week will also still be available, but it might cost a little more, around 1 to 2%.
@@paristoptips I was thinking Easy with top-ups.
@@jan-toreegge9252 OK, I get it....
On Easy you can add tickets, which is a kind of top-up. But I'd prefer a top up card like the Oyster, where you just have a certain amount of money, and it gets used gradually.
I was in London and Paris last week and was able to experience both system. When it comes to payment, London was the most convenient with its contactless payment system. So easy and simple, with a cap of about $10 per day using the same card. However, I did enjoy the Paris Metro train ride experience with is rubber tires, it's quite smooth and quiet even on sharp curves, quite a different experience than the Tube. Overall, they're quite the same, both extensive and moves people efficiently. One more thing, Paris please accept American Express card!
The only time I use a metro is when I travel because I live in city with no metro system (only a short monorail) and relatively small but growing bus system. And it's a city with 40 million visitors (4.74 international) annually.
@@mistersquirrel0 Yes, the London payment system is better, but the Paris metro, at least for me, is more comfortable and easier to use.
American Express takes a fee of around 3 to 5% in France, that's why it's not as frequent as in the USA.
😊I will miss the carnet, useable on bus or metro.
Yes, it's a change that I don't really understand...
The reason is quite simple : to reduce the fare for bus and trams, while increasing it for the metro.
@@KyrilPG But, apparently, no free metro-bus/tram transfer.
@@obifox6356 Obviously, or they couldn't differentiate fares...
But it's free for Navigo Liberté + passes which are for locals.
Just a new way to "tax" real Parisians to subsidize the non-Parisians who live in the suburbs. At least the Navigo Liberté + will have discounted pricing for each ticket.
I kinda agree, though it's nice being able to go anywhere in the region (except airports) for the same price.
What I don't understand is why you wouldn't have this discounted pricing on the Navigo Easy.
I did not mention Liberté+ as it clearly not meant for travelers to Paris.
Ceux que vous appelez des non-Parisiens sont aussi des Parisiens. Vous faites partie de la même ville. Les habitants des arrondissements devraient arrêter de penser que ce qu'il y a au-delà du périphérique est une terre sauvage.
Yeah... and there are many very good reasons for this
so this means the prices have doubled in some cases if you need to take a subway then a bus. now you need to buy two tickets. whats was the point of taking away the 90mins free to hop on and hop off.. seems like a money grab and now people have to pay more.
I guess the best option would be the weekly pass if you come as a tourist, if you fly into and out of the airport and stay 3 to 7 days. ?
First, hop off from a metro and hop on in the bus is already not possible, you have to use two tickets: the t+ ticket allows connections between bus and tram or between metro and RER, but not between metro/RER and bus/tram.
For people staying long enough, I think the Navigo weekly pass on a Navigo Découverte card or on a smartphone will still be the best solution...
Somewhere in England not only ahead of somewhere in France in a key aspect (not price!) of public transport, but seems set to stay that way ..... well -bugger-me- colour me astonished!!
Then, you're right: not price!
the old Navigo tickets are still valid in 2025?????
You mean the cardboard tickets? Yes, they are...