I've done a fair few to my M900ie. An RS has a higher top speed & is a little lighter, but it also vaporises fuel so quickly you have to ride from Station to Station. For me air cooled, simple, lightened, modded internally & custom externally, the 900 is the classic Monster.
I have an 02 750Si.e monster. She’s a blast to ride and has a great purr. Up keep is expensive but you expect it with this Italian pony. After watching whole video I’m heading out to the garage to look at my bike...it’s pouring out :-(
That makes "2" of you from the looks of it ! LOL ! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. When it comes to that bike those words couldn't ring truer ! I had the pleasure of spending a half day on one at Laguna. It rode 10X better than it looked..
To be honest, I've not been a fan of the Monster design since they abandoned the original frame. I'm sure the newer models are better bikes, but that original design around the beautiful 851 frame is just about perfect in my eyes.
It’s not just the monster, there’s something... a bit off with Ducati styling the last few years. Most of the bikes have actually got uglier. The supersport is the only one that’s actually ‘pretty’ to me right now, the rest I look at and thing ‘sure it looks premium... but x pervious model was better looking’. With Ducati that matters
🤯 was a returning rider a few years ago. Went looking for a Monster as that was what I wanted when younger and poorer. But it wasn’t the same, didn’t feel right and did not know why... I can’t believe I didn’t pick that up...
LOVED my 2011 Monster 696 to bits. Had a set of Leo Vinci pipes, lowered pegs, and a sprocket change to make it more useable around town. I'd say it's the bike I had the absolute most connection with. Quirky and temperamental for sure, but light and an absolute blast to ride.
To me it was an iconic tank shape and the tail as well. If they had kept those it still resembles monster. Check out the 2015 821 - minimal frame but still monster looks. This would be my choice after having two S2R 800 in the past. If not 821, the 696 is the best of a bunch but a bit on a weak side - also very flimsy with all the plastic.
About a week ago, a friend sent me a picture of the new monster and we spent the next hour discussing and reaching the same conlcusions as you. Apparently the youtube algorythm found out and recommended this video. Thanks to the quality and the humour in the video you have a new sub in Argentina. Cheers!
You nailed it! As a Ducatisti since the 1980's I"ve watched folks often missinform on the true history of Monster . Your score 9/10. The trellis frame change for 2021 IHMO is a mistake, looks like a MT07. Subscribed👍
I have a '17 1200S and was excited to see the new design. Without the trellis frame though it looks very standard and the MT07 is spot on. It's not offensive and I'm sure it rides well but it's missing THAT look.
Excellent video, M900ie owner here, such a shame Ducati killed the monster with the latest incarnation... Getting a Scrambler 1100 sport next, as that's more of the monster's natural successor. Great video, subscribed. Thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
It's the connoisseurs choice... You get all the bling (SSSA, Tail exhausts) in a relatively modern Ducati engine architecture without breaking the bank
You nailed it with the latest Monster being a mistake. Going away from the trellis frame is almost like changing their name... Let's just hope that the new model doesn't sell too well and they renew it soon!
Unfortunately if the new model doesn’t sell well it’s not really in Ducati or Volkswagen’s vocabulary to admit they fucked up. If it doesn’t sell it’s far more likely they’ll just scrap or replace it rather than go backwards IMhO. Personally I love monsters and started on an M400, which was basically an M600 for more regulated markets. Here in Australia it was super popular because as learners you had to restrict the power, and Ducati did a bit of malicious compliance in fitting the easiest to remove throttle stop ever... I dont think anyone who bought one ever left it in there lol. However they lost me years ago with the fugly headlight. Monsters need a round headlight, make it LED for sure, but not some Dali-inspired melted mess round headlight and trellis frame were the crux of the monster. I personally found it hilarious that when Ducati went for an aero headlight, and then a side exhaust, Suzuki thought, oooh better copy that Suzuki-style! And transformed the sv650 into the gladius lol.
I've owned a M821 for almost 4 years now, my friends have all MT09s that are faster, and maybe better all around bikes. But after all these years with the same bike, i always turn around to look at it every time i park it as is a real work of art and i love it for that. Both Pagani and Galuccio are argentines, so may be that's the reason behind the excess in same name models coincidence.
Oh i lovessssssss my 796. Its a classic. Blend of a bit of modern era with oldschool vibes. Enjoy the ride everytime, just like the first time fall in love with it.
I owned a 2003 M1000 Senna. It was a really nice ride, except for the soft valve guides and resulting lack of compression at 30k miles. By far, the best "monster" is the Honda Hawk GT. It beat the Ducati Monster to market by a few years, had a twin spark engine and single sided swing arm in 1989. Installing a high mount exhaust really showcases the single sided swing arm. It's too bad it was expensive and didn't catch on because it truly was a bike before it's time. How about a breakdown of the sales demise of the Honda Hawk GT? Currently, I'm looking at purchasing a 2000 M900 to add to The Garage of Meaningful Motorcycles
I still have a 2002 M600 with only 14000km and full Ducati service history. I recently took her on a 700km road trip in one day. She ticked over like a Swiss watch.
I'll never forget in 1994 when I saw my first Ducati Monster, the M600 and I stopped, watched-stunned, hell...listened to the thing and didn't even blink till it were out of sight and earshot. I hated walking from then on. Oh I'm so glad you have released another video, I were informed of your channel from another forum user and immediately was hooked, subbed, binged watch and were left hanging for more. Awesome subject matter this time around too.
My first poster on my wall was a M696. And I finally was able to buy one. And I absolutely love it. After a decade of riding all types of bikes - the monster is just something else. The new monster without the trellis frame is a mistake.
The most complete documentary about the Ducati Monster origins! Well done!!! I'm italian and I sought in the far 1993 one of the first Monsters on the road in my city... beh... what to say? My 1996 carburateurs large valves Monster is still in my garage! :)
nice job. i'm currently riding a M600. yes the turning circle at low speed is hopeless, but on the go it is quite good. down here in AUS, we have a few special models (the so called LAMS models) due to local law restrictions on beginner riders. these are detuned models of a normal lineup like 695 LAMS from 797. LAMS models are capped at 53hps, so the M600 is actually the most powerful unrestricted DUCATI a beginner can ride. to be honest, 53hps for a 180kg dry and 250kg all up bike including a small rider like me is more than enough. i've clocked 0-100km/h in under 6s when i launch it correctly. only the N gear and lack of 6th gear are my complains. 5 gears are ok, but the ratio is a bit awkward in suburban traffic, as 3rd is a bit low and 4th is a bit tall if cruising at 60, same applies to 2/3 at 50 and 4/5 at 80, would be nice to have a 6th and spread the ratio a bit more.
I like the vid! Great history lesson about the Monster. However, I also want to give you my take on it. I just ordered the new Monster. And while I was also sceptical at first, when I saw the bike, I was just sold. In person it is prettier compared to when it was presented. And indeed I also miss the Trellis frame, but it didn't loose the Monster soul. Superbike frame (=Panigale), Engine (good and well used Testeretta engine), Drop of weight (singifcantly), completely renewed but still refined (you see where I am going). You have to question yourself: Were the latest Monsters worth being called Monsters? They just got extra power (except for the 797), while just adding weight, with just one purpose: selling Monsters for the sake of so called "purity". Right now they did something else, and I like it. Do I like it more than the S4RS, of course totally not, but I like the way they just took a big guess, just like they originally did with the Monster. And indeed, while it also remains marketing, looking a hell lot like an MT-07, I think they did a good job. Especially with all the EU standards nowadays. Heritage and producing things from the past is not always the way forward, and I think this is good. I liked the whole video, right until the and. And that is not because you critiqued the new Monster which I bought. No, I just think it was too short-sighted too reflect all of your Monster knowledge, that you gave in the video, and then finish with a bold flattened opinion, without actually looking at the fact that it is more a Monster now, compared to the most recent previous version (Just because it had a Trellis Frame???). Bold claim. Such a shame. However, keep up the good work!
Speaking to the trellis frame, the OG monster stole a frame off another bike. The current 937 shares the same frame design characteristics of the modern Panigale. This to me shows that the monster has always taken some inspiration from the bigger bikes and grown along with the rest of Ducati’s line up.
Great video. Lots of good info presented in an interesting way. I have a 1996 m900 owned it since new and love it cant see getting rid of it. It IS my italian therapist. Have a good day keep up the great work
I saw 2 separate intros to the Monster, one in England and another in NYC, at first I loved the bike. took a test ride on it and was blown away but I never owned one. Over the years while the monster was a hit, I was always lusting for a 916.
Fantastic history lesson on the Monster. I would like to think Ducati knows what its doing by removing the trellis frame, lets face it they did it to the Streetfighter (or has everyone forgotten) and pound for pound that turned out to be one of the best bikes currently on the market. I have a feeling over time the new Monster will be a hit. I pick mine up next month. Respect from London 👊🏾🇬🇧.
Dude, I ignored this video because I didn't want to watch a 20+min thing. But I'm glad I did! Great job making a very entertaining video! Looking forward to more✌️
My .02 for what its worth. In the beginning of the video you highlighted Ducati's underwhelming response to change and innovation, at the end of the video you came full circle. Ducati is not a retro brand, their efforts in Motogp are revolutionary and the new monster is adapting to a changing clientele looking for a bike that is entry level ish, with Ducati styling and one that can keep up with the masses. To stick by the steel for heritage sake would be to repeat the mistakes of their humble beginnings by shunning innovation. All of this resentment about the missing ladder will melt away when you throw a leg over and realize not only is this the stiff Ducati we all love, but a bike made to exquisite Italian detail and thrill. I'm not in love with it visually but I can't wait to try it out and see their new approach has improved my favourite bike.
Bro, great combination of lots of information well organized, and a really entertaining presentation. And your sprinkling in clearly pronounced Italian is like the right seasoning on a signature dish. As a rider returning post retirement I have watched a ton of bike videos in the last several months. All types. Yours deserves an A+. Instant subscription. -Matt’s dad
I have an original M900 in a crate, bought it new and rode it for a few years. Hopped up the motor and the suspension , that was hard on the license and insurance so it was put away. It doesn't have a monster name on it, only M900 on the side covers. Back in the day it was said the ducati test driver called a monster due to it's lower gearing and how that made it a torque monster in the lower gears. I wonder how many 1993 m900s are left out there? Cheers for the vid.
I still have my first bike, a 2003 Monster 800 S.i.e. I am convinced it is one of the rarest monsters ever, most people don't know the 800 exists! Wish I would have got an S4RS
great video, i unapologetically love the new monster because it feels modern and a step forward from older designs, and the fact that it brings it closer to best selling bikes like mt07s is a good move imo, also on the comment "they're never the fastest or best" look at them now winning everything in motogp and sbk! i can't wait to finally own a ducati myself, i lusted over the 696 when i was getting my a2 license, the 848 streetfighter also always made me dream, i couldn't believe it when they finally revived the streetfighter brand with the v4 engine, dream bike that one, hopefully i'll get to upgrade from my mt07 to the new monster soon!
Personally owned a Monster S2R1000, S4RS, Monster 1100 EVO, and a 1200S... Very fun bikes, and acted as a gateway drug for me, causing me to pick up many other Ducatis... 999S Parts Unlimited, Streetfighter 1098, Hypermotard 1100, 848 Nicky Hayden Edition, 1198, Panigale 959, etc...
Man, you nailed it. Ducati (and the VW group) killed the Monster. I remember talking to a friend when i heard Ducati had been bought by the germans and saying "These guys are gonna destroy the brand. Trellis frame? Nein, too heavy; Desmodromic distribution? Nein, too expensive." The 2021 Monster ended up being a glorified and (way) more expensive MT09. Like you said, it looks like every other bike. I own a 2002 Monster 620 i.e. Dark, stock, except for the pipes. By product standards is a flawed bike: the suspension is the shittiest thing, the riding position was studied for midgets, driving in low revs is a nightmare... It only has 60 bhp but God, when you use them on a montain road you forget about that, the bike just puts a smile on your face. And the looks... I've been trying to sell my bike but everytime i look at her i just quit. Just to finish, let me tell a story: Some years back, i was relaxing at a pier, my bike parked along others, when a young couple passed by and the girlfriend pointed at her saying "Now this is the one...".
Great video and very accurate as I'm old enough to have lived through all the Ducati 'drama' since the late '70s. Ducati's direction , under current German management, has removed dry clutches, desmodromic valve trains and now iconic Monster trellis frames. Mamma mia and scheisse !!
The lack of a trellis frame doesn't bother me at all, honestly. It's the decidedly UN-Monster design that ruins the new Monster for me. As an 821 owner, and having just ridden the 937, the new bike is a great ride. The look of the 937 is so far out of line and looks so much like every other bike on the street, there's nothing in the new design that draws the eye to it or makes me want to own one. They should have installed the motor from the V2 Panigale and called it the V2 Streetfighter. And fire the designer for such a lazy design. Where's the Italian passion? Where's the style that makes me want to sit in my garage and stare at it for a while? It doesn't exist with the 937. Other than the design, the 937 is very good. It's light, handles great, and more comfortable than the 821/1200.
Loved this ! 2011 Monster 696 owner and would not upgrade to the latest soulless computers on wheels models. Only gripes are short + expensive services , complicated layout for self service but otherwise it is a DUCATI and is just a pleasure to ride - big smile on my face when I get out on the road. I am past rice rockets and Harleys are loud underpowered tractors - the Monster is light, great torque, handles well , no exhausts scraping on the ground, looks good and sounds great - well with Termi’s at least given everything these days must meet Euro7.9 and sound like a dishwasher and not wake sleeping babies at a distance of 2 miles. This guy made me laugh the whole way through - keep it up - and more Ducati !
The first design was a stroke of genius. It’s a down hill from then. S2R 800 and the 696 ending with 796 being the last of the good monster design. Everything after might as well come out of Japan - great on the road but terrible to look at. I still think the original and 696 are the best two looking monsters. Probably most fun on the road too for the average rider.
What makes a monster is 3 things: trellis frame, tank shape and the back end. Monster died with 796. Spreadsheets are very poor design tools. RIP my favourite bike.. “They massacred my boy…”
I was appalled that you have less than 8k subscribers. You deserve better. I can't think of any good presentation on youtube. Keep it going. Enjoyed your funny presentation. You should really monetize your skills.
The original Monster took the trail frame from the "Panigale of the the '90s", the 888. So it seems pretty logic to me for the new Monster to inherit the 2021 Panigale's aluminium front frame.
@@UrgetoRide sure they're not the very same piece, but I'm talking about the concept that's behind. The idea was "ok, let's undress our top notch bike and put a more usable engine on it", and there was the Monster. Every gen speaks the same language of its time Ducati's best machine, but every gen had also its "meh" versions. The 900, the original, took the engine from the supersport, and the trail from the 851/888, but there was the 600cc version with wet clutch... Then came the mighy S4/S4R based on the 916/996, but also the 400cc, a pretty tamed "monster". And what about the 5th gen? The 1200/S/R based on the first Panigale were beasts, but the 797? Still trail frame, but that seat position felt like an office chair, definitely not Monster-like. Now, Panigale has evolved (for somebody it's not even a "real Ducati" because of the V4) and the Monster must do the same, on Panigale's same road.
I'm into Brit bikes having owned a T140V and T160V, amongst many others. I bought a 1996 M900, mikuni carbs, big valves and carbon fibre raised loud pipes. What a bike, I put 10s of 1000's of miles on that bike, I toured Europe on it and many trips to the great roads of Wales. The only fault I had was the clutch slave cylinder packed up as I exited the M5 on the way back from a long trip. Rode it home without a clutch and fitted an Oberon cylinder and that was that. My biggest gripe with the bike was no revcounter or main stand, I f####g hate paddock stand bulls###e. Eventually built a tuned 74 T120V with a tuftrided and balanced crank and sold the Ducati as it wasn't being used, but I have great memories of that bike. Cheers for the interesting video and especially the Bonnie story at the start, right up my street 👍
Love everything about this! And now that you got me up to speed, I'ma head out to satisfy my sudden urge for donuts* *for real, I've been longing on a motorcycle format of that kind, it's perfect ✨
Great video and I couldn't agree more on the current Monster having lost its mojo. I would go so far to say ALL current Ducatis have lost their mojo. The Panigale is nowhere near as good looking as the superbikes of the past, the Streetfighter V4 is almost as ugly as the MT-10 and don't even get me started on the parts-bin yet outrageously expensive marketing product that is the Scrambler. Like almost everyone else that grew up riding in the 1990s, I was IN LOVE with Ducatis. The Monster, the 916, even the 999. Timeless classics. The modern ones are toys for hipsters and people with way too much money and way too little skills. Few points: 1. I'm sure the guy who helped him with the prototype tank knew "a lot about welding", but definitely not because he worked on the Cagiva rally bikes, because those had polyester tanks 2. The M600 Monster, while popular, was total crap. The forks were 1970s technology, the single rotor in front didn't stop the bike very well and the engine was laughably underpowered
I had an opportunity to buy an S4RS MOnster that came with a signature helmet hand painted by a totally famous Artist in Italy, whose name I can no longer remember, and a full set of leathers and boots...I should have....I should have.... I still dream about having a Ducati Monster, at least until they screwed it up
Great video! I was looking at getting a Monster 696 ABS a few years ago. Fell in love with the classic first-generation styling and ended up with an S2R 800 instead. Hoping one day to move up to an S4RS.
I was 18 when the monster was released. I used to work in a bike dealership that had multiple branches and franchises. Having passed my test, and back then it wasn't restricted license. I was insured to ride any of the (shop stock) motorcycles. If I had to run an errand or go to cover at another branch. And if I had to work at another branch I would have the bike for the weekend. At 17 years old being given the keys for gsxr, CBR, fzr/yzf, zxr, and other bikes that people my age had no chance of riding. It was pretty cool. Being that young and being responsible for these bikes, I wouldn't really take the piss, but I did on occasions ride like a 'dick' and my boss would get the occasional call from local constabulary regarding ' shenanigans '. Anyway, we got a monster come into the dealership for stock, I believe it was a demonstrator from from another branch, and because it had miles on it, it was classed as used. So we could have it in the shop, shop being franchised by another manufacturer. So I get asked to go on an errand and needed to take a bike. I chose the monster obviously. So I go to get the key from the boss. "No! YOU are not taking this out! We will get a call telling us you've been locked up for pulling wheelies up the dual carriageway. It's not happening. Take something else" So I wasn't allowed to ride the monster then, I did get a chance later, much later. But what bike did I choose to take to run the errand? A Yamaha TDR250..... And they were worried about me doing wheelies on a monster......
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What's your favourite Monster lads. I'd personally do unspeakable things for an S4RS ❤
I've done a fair few to my M900ie. An RS has a higher top speed & is a little lighter, but it also vaporises fuel so quickly you have to ride from Station to Station. For me air cooled, simple, lightened, modded internally & custom externally, the 900 is the classic Monster.
I have an 02 750Si.e monster. She’s a blast to ride and has a great purr.
Up keep is expensive but you expect it with this Italian pony.
After watching whole video I’m heading out to the garage to look at my bike...it’s pouring out :-(
My 2002 900ie Dark. Clean uncluttered air cooled engine, efi reliability and Miguel's original lines.
Mine is my 2004 m1000Sie, she’s beautiful to me.
1100 Evo?
I can only imagine how much pain and passion went into creating this masterpiece. I meant the video. The Monster is great too.
Very kind of you, thanks for watching Mohit
Not many videos these days that are as interesting to me as yours! The effort you put into these really shows and I hope it pays off soon!
Means a ton, thanks matie
@@UrgetoRide I hope Ducati sees your presentation and your are their new Miguel.
Bro you killed it! As an Italian, you couldn't make me laugh more than that!
This is a history lessons for the boys studying Design 👌🏻
Grazie ragazzi, all in good fun 🤜🤛
For years I felt alone, ashamed to speak my truth, but then one youtuber showed me the courage to stand up and say it publicly: I love the 999 too!
That makes "2" of you from the looks of it ! LOL ! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. When it comes to that bike those words couldn't ring truer ! I had the pleasure of spending a half day on one at Laguna. It rode 10X better than it looked..
@@stevebiron3036 There's a third one, me.
Make that a 4th
better than any ducati related documentary. thank you for being the voice of true monster fans at the end. ciao!
You are right about the trellis frame !!! The beauty is gone without the trellis !!!!
Agreed.
Anyone taking bets that it's going to fail spectacularly and Ducati comes crawling back to a trellis frame design?
To be honest, I've not been a fan of the Monster design since they abandoned the original frame. I'm sure the newer models are better bikes, but that original design around the beautiful 851 frame is just about perfect in my eyes.
It’s not just the monster, there’s something... a bit off with Ducati styling the last few years. Most of the bikes have actually got uglier. The supersport is the only one that’s actually ‘pretty’ to me right now, the rest I look at and thing ‘sure it looks premium... but x pervious model was better looking’. With Ducati that matters
🤯 was a returning rider a few years ago. Went looking for a Monster as that was what I wanted when younger and poorer. But it wasn’t the same, didn’t feel right and did not know why... I can’t believe I didn’t pick that up...
LOVED my 2011 Monster 696 to bits. Had a set of Leo Vinci pipes, lowered pegs, and a sprocket change to make it more useable around town. I'd say it's the bike I had the absolute most connection with. Quirky and temperamental for sure, but light and an absolute blast to ride.
He lives! He has returned to us and blesses us with dank knowledge about bikes once more!
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You revealed how Ducati messed up the Monster brand. The trellis frame and round headlight were its trademark look.
To me, they messed it up since Monster 696. The riding position was completely different, and surely not a 'Monster riding position.'
@@masterofpuppets1985 Get a scrambler if you want vintage
Ik I had a 2017 821, and think that's the last gen of the real monsters. God what an awesome bike
To me it was an iconic tank shape and the tail as well. If they had kept those it still resembles monster. Check out the 2015 821 - minimal frame but still monster looks. This would be my choice after having two S2R 800 in the past. If not 821, the 696 is the best of a bunch but a bit on a weak side - also very flimsy with all the plastic.
I have a ‘16 821 and i am literally obsessed. So beautiful and fun to ride
Man, your storytelling and video editing are unbelievable. Bravo!!!
About a week ago, a friend sent me a picture of the new monster and we spent the next hour discussing and reaching the same conlcusions as you. Apparently the youtube algorythm found out and recommended this video. Thanks to the quality and the humour in the video you have a new sub in Argentina. Cheers!
Salud !
You nailed it! As a Ducatisti since the 1980's I"ve watched folks often missinform on the true history of Monster . Your score 9/10. The trellis frame change for 2021 IHMO is a mistake, looks like a MT07. Subscribed👍
Mt 07 engine is fun. Its sad to see the monster succumbed
You are blind.
I have a '17 1200S and was excited to see the new design. Without the trellis frame though it looks very standard and the MT07 is spot on. It's not offensive and I'm sure it rides well but it's missing THAT look.
Meanwhile Ducati is currently doing record sales, largely thanks to the new Monster. Clearly this was a great decision for them.
I am proud M796 owner.. can’t stop looking at her
Smart of Ducati to not compromise performance by sticking to an old style. Times change, styles need updating. Well done Ducati!
Excellent video, M900ie owner here, such a shame Ducati killed the monster with the latest incarnation... Getting a Scrambler 1100 sport next, as that's more of the monster's natural successor.
Great video, subscribed. Thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
I just got a white 2012 monster 796 over the weekend. It is hands down the most beautiful motorcycle I have ever seen. It rides so nice I love it.😭
It's the connoisseurs choice... You get all the bling (SSSA, Tail exhausts) in a relatively modern Ducati engine architecture without breaking the bank
You nailed it with the latest Monster being a mistake. Going away from the trellis frame is almost like changing their name... Let's just hope that the new model doesn't sell too well and they renew it soon!
I agree. I still like the new monster but I will still probably buy the 821 because it’s the last of the trellis frame.
Unfortunately if the new model doesn’t sell well it’s not really in Ducati or Volkswagen’s vocabulary to admit they fucked up. If it doesn’t sell it’s far more likely they’ll just scrap or replace it rather than go backwards IMhO.
Personally I love monsters and started on an M400, which was basically an M600 for more regulated markets. Here in Australia it was super popular because as learners you had to restrict the power, and Ducati did a bit of malicious compliance in fitting the easiest to remove throttle stop ever... I dont think anyone who bought one ever left it in there lol.
However they lost me years ago with the fugly headlight. Monsters need a round headlight, make it LED for sure, but not some Dali-inspired melted mess round headlight and trellis frame were the crux of the monster.
I personally found it hilarious that when Ducati went for an aero headlight, and then a side exhaust, Suzuki thought, oooh better copy that Suzuki-style! And transformed the sv650 into the gladius lol.
Love my 2015 1200S and was thinking of a new 2021. Then I saw no Trellis!😳🥲😡🤯 I might look for nice 2020 or just grow old gracefully with my 2015!
@@ianashdown how has the reliability been on your monster? I’d like to get one but not confident on reliability since I ride a lot.
I’m not a high mileage rider, but it’s been 100%. It’s never missed a beat . . .
Maaate, this has got to be one of the best video's I've watched that blends 'good' humour with education. So well edited too! Thank you!
Man, your channel is sooooo good. A perfect rundown of the Monster’s lineage. Well done. Really appreciate the time and effort you put into this.
Totally brilliant, all I ask is to see an MV Agusta history with as much humour !!
In italy when we find out that they would end the use of the trellis we felt really hungry, is like put pineapple on pizza 😠
I've owned a M821 for almost 4 years now, my friends have all MT09s that are faster, and maybe better all around bikes. But after all these years with the same bike, i always turn around to look at it every time i park it as is a real work of art and i love it for that.
Both Pagani and Galuccio are argentines, so may be that's the reason behind the excess in same name models coincidence.
You could be a history teacher !
Really well done video very entertaining.
Thanks from a 821 owner
I don't recall anyone mentioning the term 'Skunk Works' that's younger than 50. I'm genuinely impressed with that, you know your history!!!
I got the first M900. Dellorto Carburetors. Still have it. I love her.
Oh i lovessssssss my 796. Its a classic. Blend of a bit of modern era with oldschool vibes. Enjoy the ride everytime, just like the first time fall in love with it.
Oh boy this channel is going places 😄
Brill! I've just bought a M 797. Superb. And yes, the turning radius sucks! I love the way you lampooned that.
I owned a 2003 M1000 Senna. It was a really nice ride, except for the soft valve guides and resulting lack of compression at 30k miles. By far, the best "monster" is the Honda Hawk GT. It beat the Ducati Monster to market by a few years, had a twin spark engine and single sided swing arm in 1989. Installing a high mount exhaust really showcases the single sided swing arm. It's too bad it was expensive and didn't catch on because it truly was a bike before it's time. How about a breakdown of the sales demise of the Honda Hawk GT? Currently, I'm looking at purchasing a 2000 M900 to add to The Garage of Meaningful Motorcycles
I own and love my 2005 M620ie Dark, been a Ducati fan since 1995, and I'm torn with the recent changes.
"It's August in Italiy" that killed me.
Excellent video 👍 a must watch for Ducati fans and bikers who appreciate history ..keep it coming.. looking forward to more videos from this channel.
S2R 800. My first Ducati. Loved that Monster.
I still have a 2002 M600 with only 14000km and full Ducati service history. I recently took her on a 700km road trip in one day. She ticked over like a Swiss watch.
I'll never forget in 1994 when I saw my first Ducati Monster, the M600 and I stopped, watched-stunned, hell...listened to the thing and didn't even blink till it were out of sight and earshot. I hated walking from then on.
Oh I'm so glad you have released another video, I were informed of your channel from another forum user and immediately was hooked, subbed, binged watch and were left hanging for more. Awesome subject matter this time around too.
Happy to hear people are liking the videos enough to spread the word 👌 Thanks for the kind words Ty
My first poster on my wall was a M696. And I finally was able to buy one. And I absolutely love it. After a decade of riding all types of bikes - the monster is just something else.
The new monster without the trellis frame is a mistake.
The new monster is awesome, I think its pretty.
The most complete documentary about the Ducati Monster origins! Well done!!! I'm italian and I sought in the far 1993 one of the first Monsters on the road in my city... beh... what to say? My 1996 carburateurs large valves Monster is still in my garage! :)
nice job. i'm currently riding a M600. yes the turning circle at low speed is hopeless, but on the go it is quite good. down here in AUS, we have a few special models (the so called LAMS models) due to local law restrictions on beginner riders. these are detuned models of a normal lineup like 695 LAMS from 797. LAMS models are capped at 53hps, so the M600 is actually the most powerful unrestricted DUCATI a beginner can ride. to be honest, 53hps for a 180kg dry and 250kg all up bike including a small rider like me is more than enough. i've clocked 0-100km/h in under 6s when i launch it correctly. only the N gear and lack of 6th gear are my complains. 5 gears are ok, but the ratio is a bit awkward in suburban traffic, as 3rd is a bit low and 4th is a bit tall if cruising at 60, same applies to 2/3 at 50 and 4/5 at 80, would be nice to have a 6th and spread the ratio a bit more.
Had a blue Monster 750 and a grey SuperSport 800 Nuda, loved both of them.
I like the vid! Great history lesson about the Monster. However, I also want to give you my take on it.
I just ordered the new Monster. And while I was also sceptical at first, when I saw the bike, I was just sold. In person it is prettier compared to when it was presented. And indeed I also miss the Trellis frame, but it didn't loose the Monster soul. Superbike frame (=Panigale), Engine (good and well used Testeretta engine), Drop of weight (singifcantly), completely renewed but still refined (you see where I am going). You have to question yourself: Were the latest Monsters worth being called Monsters? They just got extra power (except for the 797), while just adding weight, with just one purpose: selling Monsters for the sake of so called "purity". Right now they did something else, and I like it. Do I like it more than the S4RS, of course totally not, but I like the way they just took a big guess, just like they originally did with the Monster. And indeed, while it also remains marketing, looking a hell lot like an MT-07, I think they did a good job. Especially with all the EU standards nowadays. Heritage and producing things from the past is not always the way forward, and I think this is good. I liked the whole video, right until the and. And that is not because you critiqued the new Monster which I bought. No, I just think it was too short-sighted too reflect all of your Monster knowledge, that you gave in the video, and then finish with a bold flattened opinion, without actually looking at the fact that it is more a Monster now, compared to the most recent previous version (Just because it had a Trellis Frame???). Bold claim. Such a shame. However, keep up the good work!
Speaking to the trellis frame, the OG monster stole a frame off another bike. The current 937 shares the same frame design characteristics of the modern Panigale. This to me shows that the monster has always taken some inspiration from the bigger bikes and grown along with the rest of Ducati’s line up.
Great video. Lots of good info presented in an interesting way. I have a 1996 m900 owned it since new and love it cant see getting rid of it. It IS my italian therapist. Have a good day keep up the great work
Awesome as always! :) Learning while having a laugh, what could be better? And those italian jokes - massive :) Thanks!
The French ate it in the last video, I felt bad doing them but not do their neighbors 😂 All in good fun of course, thanks Rafal for sticking around
Thank god your still alive! And again, nice work bro!! The world needs people like you. Especially in these times.
Peace✌🏼
Pleasure is all mine, thank you for sticking around and the kind words, means the world 🤜🤛
That new one looks like the Suzuki gladius.
The S2R and the S4R are the absolute pinnacle of monster design it has been all downhill from there
We need a new Monsterino, 53 hp with 'show us how lightweight you can make it'.
I saw 2 separate intros to the Monster, one in England and another in NYC, at first I loved the bike. took a test ride on it and was blown away but I never owned one. Over the years while the monster was a hit, I was always lusting for a 916.
No trellis, No monster. It's like star wars with no Jedi.
Fantastic history lesson on the Monster. I would like to think Ducati knows what its doing by removing the trellis frame, lets face it they did it to the Streetfighter (or has everyone forgotten) and pound for pound that turned out to be one of the best bikes currently on the market. I have a feeling over time the new Monster will be a hit. I pick mine up next month. Respect from London 👊🏾🇬🇧.
I ride a VTR FIRE STORM and wasn't Star Struck on the Half Fairing "LOOK" BUT HEY I love it now, Its Funcutional
The Monster isn't dead it's sleeping.
I still find the 999 gorgeous, Getting rare and undervalued.
Dude, I ignored this video because I didn't want to watch a 20+min thing. But I'm glad I did! Great job making a very entertaining video! Looking forward to more✌️
bro, your content and research is netflix level nice. New sub for sure! Glad I found your channel
Loved the video! I have a 95 M900 that hasn’t been able to run consistently in 4 years but I love the pain she brings me🤣
My .02 for what its worth. In the beginning of the video you highlighted Ducati's underwhelming response to change and innovation, at the end of the video you came full circle. Ducati is not a retro brand, their efforts in Motogp are revolutionary and the new monster is adapting to a changing clientele looking for a bike that is entry level ish, with Ducati styling and one that can keep up with the masses. To stick by the steel for heritage sake would be to repeat the mistakes of their humble beginnings by shunning innovation. All of this resentment about the missing ladder will melt away when you throw a leg over and realize not only is this the stiff Ducati we all love, but a bike made to exquisite Italian detail and thrill. I'm not in love with it visually but I can't wait to try it out and see their new approach has improved my favourite bike.
Bro, great combination of lots of information well organized, and a really entertaining presentation.
And your sprinkling in clearly pronounced Italian is like the right seasoning on a signature dish.
As a rider returning post retirement I have watched a ton of bike videos in the last several months. All types. Yours deserves an A+. Instant subscription.
-Matt’s dad
I had a Monster 796 2011 model with the single sided swing its a beautiful bike
I have an original M900 in a crate, bought it new and rode it for a few years. Hopped up the motor and the suspension , that was hard on the license and insurance so it was put away. It doesn't have a monster name on it, only M900 on the side covers. Back in the day it was said the ducati test driver called a monster due to it's lower gearing and how that made it a torque monster in the lower gears. I wonder how many 1993 m900s are left out there? Cheers for the vid.
super video!!! liked, subscribed and cheering from Varese, Italy!!! ciaooo
Varese,now home of MV Agusta of course! W la Schiranna!
Had the most beautifully evolved M1200S which burnt my inner thighs but always beckoned me for a ride
I still have my first bike, a 2003 Monster 800 S.i.e. I am convinced it is one of the rarest monsters ever, most people don't know the 800 exists! Wish I would have got an S4RS
S4rs isn't only the best monster ever, is the best Ducati ever...
I own a 2007 black s2r1000 with 9,000 miles and it’s a keeper for life,I hope.
That was informative and very entertaining 😃. Big like!..I've got the 796 20th anniversary.
I never understood why people hated the 999 , it was fking beautiful
great video, i unapologetically love the new monster because it feels modern and a step forward from older designs, and the fact that it brings it closer to best selling bikes like mt07s is a good move imo, also on the comment "they're never the fastest or best" look at them now winning everything in motogp and sbk!
i can't wait to finally own a ducati myself, i lusted over the 696 when i was getting my a2 license, the 848 streetfighter also always made me dream, i couldn't believe it when they finally revived the streetfighter brand with the v4 engine, dream bike that one, hopefully i'll get to upgrade from my mt07 to the new monster soon!
You've gained yourself a sub! Do one for the Triumph Street Triple!
This is the best documentary TH-cam channel in the motorcycle sphere, beside FortNine channel. Awesome work
Personally owned a Monster S2R1000, S4RS, Monster 1100 EVO, and a 1200S... Very fun bikes, and acted as a gateway drug for me, causing me to pick up many other Ducatis... 999S Parts Unlimited, Streetfighter 1098, Hypermotard 1100, 848 Nicky Hayden Edition, 1198, Panigale 959, etc...
great story and the presentation was awesome, nicely done !
Man, you nailed it. Ducati (and the VW group) killed the Monster. I remember talking to a friend when i heard Ducati had been bought by the germans and saying "These guys are gonna destroy the brand. Trellis frame? Nein, too heavy; Desmodromic distribution? Nein, too expensive." The 2021 Monster ended up being a glorified and (way) more expensive MT09. Like you said, it looks like every other bike.
I own a 2002 Monster 620 i.e. Dark, stock, except for the pipes. By product standards is a flawed bike: the suspension is the shittiest thing, the riding position was studied for midgets, driving in low revs is a nightmare... It only has 60 bhp but God, when you use them on a montain road you forget about that, the bike just puts a smile on your face. And the looks... I've been trying to sell my bike but everytime i look at her i just quit.
Just to finish, let me tell a story: Some years back, i was relaxing at a pier, my bike parked along others, when a young couple passed by and the girlfriend pointed at her saying "Now this is the one...".
This channel is on the way to 1 million subs. It has to be.
Great video and very accurate as I'm old enough to have lived through all the Ducati 'drama' since the late '70s.
Ducati's direction , under current German management, has removed dry clutches, desmodromic valve trains and now iconic Monster trellis frames. Mamma mia and scheisse !!
The lack of a trellis frame doesn't bother me at all, honestly. It's the decidedly UN-Monster design that ruins the new Monster for me. As an 821 owner, and having just ridden the 937, the new bike is a great ride. The look of the 937 is so far out of line and looks so much like every other bike on the street, there's nothing in the new design that draws the eye to it or makes me want to own one. They should have installed the motor from the V2 Panigale and called it the V2 Streetfighter. And fire the designer for such a lazy design. Where's the Italian passion? Where's the style that makes me want to sit in my garage and stare at it for a while? It doesn't exist with the 937.
Other than the design, the 937 is very good. It's light, handles great, and more comfortable than the 821/1200.
My fav Monster is my '01 SV650. I like Italian shoes ok.
Loved this ! 2011 Monster 696 owner and would not upgrade to the latest soulless computers on wheels models. Only gripes are short + expensive services , complicated layout for self service but otherwise it is a DUCATI and is just a pleasure to ride - big smile on my face when I get out on the road. I am past rice rockets and Harleys are loud underpowered tractors - the Monster is light, great torque, handles well , no exhausts scraping on the ground, looks good and sounds great - well with Termi’s at least given everything these days must meet Euro7.9 and sound like a dishwasher and not wake sleeping babies at a distance of 2 miles. This guy made me laugh the whole way through - keep it up - and more Ducati !
That BMW K1 is actually pretty stunning imo
The first design was a stroke of genius. It’s a down hill from then. S2R 800 and the 696 ending with 796 being the last of the good monster design. Everything after might as well come out of Japan - great on the road but terrible to look at. I still think the original and 696 are the best two looking monsters. Probably most fun on the road too for the average rider.
I didnt belive u only have 6k subs, had to make a second look cuz ur content is good for 600k subs, keep it up bro
Probably the most informative and best vid i've ever seen! Keep up the excellent work!
I absolutely HATE the new “monster”. You let us down Ducati, you let us down.
What makes a monster is 3 things: trellis frame, tank shape and the back end. Monster died with 796. Spreadsheets are very poor design tools. RIP my favourite bike.. “They massacred my boy…”
I do think 796 was probably pinnacle middleweight Monster. Tail exhaust, SSS, modern tech and that sexy stubby look.
I was appalled that you have less than 8k subscribers. You deserve better. I can't think of any good presentation on youtube. Keep it going. Enjoyed your funny presentation. You should really monetize your skills.
The original Monster took the trail frame from the "Panigale of the the '90s", the 888. So it seems pretty logic to me for the new Monster to inherit the 2021 Panigale's aluminium front frame.
I very much doubt they're the same.. but yes I see your point
@@UrgetoRide sure they're not the very same piece, but I'm talking about the concept that's behind. The idea was "ok, let's undress our top notch bike and put a more usable engine on it", and there was the Monster. Every gen speaks the same language of its time Ducati's best machine, but every gen had also its "meh" versions. The 900, the original, took the engine from the supersport, and the trail from the 851/888, but there was the 600cc version with wet clutch... Then came the mighy S4/S4R based on the 916/996, but also the 400cc, a pretty tamed "monster". And what about the 5th gen? The 1200/S/R based on the first Panigale were beasts, but the 797? Still trail frame, but that seat position felt like an office chair, definitely not Monster-like. Now, Panigale has evolved (for somebody it's not even a "real Ducati" because of the V4) and the Monster must do the same, on Panigale's same road.
I'm into Brit bikes having owned a T140V and T160V, amongst many others. I bought a 1996 M900, mikuni carbs, big valves and carbon fibre raised loud pipes. What a bike, I put 10s of 1000's of miles on that bike, I toured Europe on it and many trips to the great roads of Wales. The only fault I had was the clutch slave cylinder packed up as I exited the M5 on the way back from a long trip. Rode it home without a clutch and fitted an Oberon cylinder and that was that. My biggest gripe with the bike was no revcounter or main stand, I f####g hate paddock stand bulls###e. Eventually built a tuned 74 T120V with a tuftrided and balanced crank and sold the Ducati as it wasn't being used, but I have great memories of that bike. Cheers for the interesting video and especially the Bonnie story at the start, right up my street 👍
Thanks for the throwback !
Love everything about this! And now that you got me up to speed, I'ma head out to satisfy my sudden urge for donuts*
*for real, I've been longing on a motorcycle format of that kind, it's perfect ✨
Great video and I couldn't agree more on the current Monster having lost its mojo. I would go so far to say ALL current Ducatis have lost their mojo. The Panigale is nowhere near as good looking as the superbikes of the past, the Streetfighter V4 is almost as ugly as the MT-10 and don't even get me started on the parts-bin yet outrageously expensive marketing product that is the Scrambler. Like almost everyone else that grew up riding in the 1990s, I was IN LOVE with Ducatis. The Monster, the 916, even the 999. Timeless classics. The modern ones are toys for hipsters and people with way too much money and way too little skills.
Few points:
1. I'm sure the guy who helped him with the prototype tank knew "a lot about welding", but definitely not because he worked on the Cagiva rally bikes, because those had polyester tanks
2. The M600 Monster, while popular, was total crap. The forks were 1970s technology, the single rotor in front didn't stop the bike very well and the engine was laughably underpowered
That just earned you a subscription. Nice one!
this video was brilliant. i cant believe i waited 5 whole days to watch this.
How dare you leave me hanging
Changing the trellis frame is akin to Coke changing their recipe.
Galuzzi also designed the monsteresque Cagiva Raptor.
Own an S4R & V-Raptor 1000
(had a M900, M800 and M620)
I had an opportunity to buy an S4RS MOnster that came with a signature helmet hand painted by a totally famous Artist in Italy, whose name I can no longer remember, and a full set of leathers and boots...I should have....I should have.... I still dream about having a Ducati Monster, at least until they screwed it up
Thank god I bought my 1200s before they decided to not produce them anymore
Great video! I was looking at getting a Monster 696 ABS a few years ago. Fell in love with the classic first-generation styling and ended up with an S2R 800 instead. Hoping one day to move up to an S4RS.
Yeah, same reaction. Hated the non-trellis, more than a single disc. By a long way too.
I was 18 when the monster was released. I used to work in a bike dealership that had multiple branches and franchises. Having passed my test, and back then it wasn't restricted license. I was insured to ride any of the (shop stock) motorcycles. If I had to run an errand or go to cover at another branch. And if I had to work at another branch I would have the bike for the weekend. At 17 years old being given the keys for gsxr, CBR, fzr/yzf, zxr, and other bikes that people my age had no chance of riding. It was pretty cool. Being that young and being responsible for these bikes, I wouldn't really take the piss, but I did on occasions ride like a 'dick' and my boss would get the occasional call from local constabulary regarding ' shenanigans '.
Anyway, we got a monster come into the dealership for stock, I believe it was a demonstrator from from another branch, and because it had miles on it, it was classed as used. So we could have it in the shop, shop being franchised by another manufacturer. So I get asked to go on an errand and needed to take a bike. I chose the monster obviously. So I go to get the key from the boss. "No! YOU are not taking this out! We will get a call telling us you've been locked up for pulling wheelies up the dual carriageway. It's not happening. Take something else"
So I wasn't allowed to ride the monster then, I did get a chance later, much later. But what bike did I choose to take to run the errand? A Yamaha TDR250.....
And they were worried about me doing wheelies on a monster......
Hahaha thanks for the share
Outstanding video, liked and subscribed. My favorite would be my 2016 821 😉