I'll give you credit👍 You've been saying all that since we started the lake updates Just too much info to present for 1, 2, even 100 videos. I see water like the housing market currently. Eventually the goal would be to price everyone out and centralize it.
Thank you for bringing up these topics. Someone needs to. While I don't live in the West anymore, I have always been interested in following the water issues out west.
You are welcome, appreciate you watching and stopping by to leave a comment! Even though we live here there wasn't much interest in the lake level until it started getting really low. Being able to visually see that loss really caught everyone's attention.
Much appreciated Dobrinich!👍 Your channel is actually one of the several that helped motivate us to continue lake coverage. This was really a hiking/offroading channel😎 Much like the river though... you "go with flow" here I'm sure you know. So thank you for your updates also! In the future if you are interested in some original lake photos / short clips for your vids, shoot us an email. We enjoy helping out other creators here (especially those in a similar topic!)
Thanks for this video. Unlike dry minerals and ores, the underground water tables and basins are shared across the entire reservoirs. By increasing one's rate of mining ores, one does not deplete a neighbor's property. The same is not true of underground water. Even surface water channels over time change course until humans attempt to keep the oourse cast forever as if in stone with levees etc. And with desalination, the salt brine is most conveniently dumped back into the ocean with local over salination.
Well said as usual! 👍 One of the things we're fascinated with & hope to cover in future episodes is the several natural sinkholes around the Mojave. The most well known being the Devil's Hole in Death Valley. Some are thought to be connected through a deep ancient river system. It could be that draining an aquifer or water table in one area could have much further-reaching effects than we know of. Even up at Lake Powell, they are still not sure how much water is lost to seepage through the sandstone, or where it would be going. The salt brine looks like the biggest issue at this point. I would think they would evaporate it and use the dry minerals somehow, but like you said the most efficient and widely used method is to dispose it is right back into the water. I have a feeling whoever figures out a use for the dry waste brine minerals will be into a big big new venture. It would be interesting if the brine could be turned into sodium ion battery cells, used for EV's / clean energy. We would really be onto something then... Thank you for watching as always!
I think it's worth looking into the high-intensity agriculture uses of water, what crop types are consuming the most water, and more specifically, what those crops are used for or where they end up. A significant portion of uses are for animal agriculture, with a sizeable chunk of alfalfa actually being exported to other countries. In that sense I agree with the market-oriented pricing of water as the current rights and pricing are essentially an unsustainable subsidy for animal agriculture where the negative externalities are not priced in at all.
Well said! Agriculture needs the most water allotment to sustain our needs, but at the same time there is also a lot of fraud, waste and abuse going on. Especially in the southwest. Whether it's cutting our exports or relying less on animal sources, everything needs to be examined and brought to light. Thank you for watching and commenting! 👍
In some other YT vids of others - I listed out the entire metals, chemicals etc in sea water and other than fresh water - there is such massive industrial, strategic, tactical, rare earths, and precious metals in the salt brine (considered a waste byproduct). This is worth trillions. If you make these massive desalination projects, and then sell THIS WATER to the public, that is an income stream to private investors, and government utility industries. Both of all these water and metals make profits for CA - and it is STOOPID (!) that these mofos can't understand this - that I have been yellling at everybody since the late 1980s !!! Pure metals, means clean water, clean land, clean air - no land mining and contamination, no air pollution of smelting when you have pure chemical salt minerals/metals. Then tell CA to F-O and have the proper water flow for AZ, NM, CO, etc properly watered. It also helps to provide water (from the desalination plants) into the Salton Sea and reverse all the STOOPID there !!! - which creates jobs, entertainment, water sports, increased property values, ... and stops all of the foreign Saudi Arabia raping the federal water sources for alfalfa, and parasiting across us, and selling these vegetation overseas - and making us have higher livestock feed prices. FTS !!! Either they pay and overprice for their water and export products that are also export taxed to the Saudis. No raping the public as the expense of export markets from international parasites - or foreign owned business playing the Americans for their own gains. Time to take back America - and make livestock products for American producers and American consumers.
I give you credit also👍 You have listed out a lot of back-info on the situation going on there in our previous lake updates. You nailed it too- if the government doesn't solve these problems, then it becomes an income stream wide open to private investors. I can see this company SeaWell making BIG $$ if this platform tests successfully. Coastal towns are tired of waiting and want solutions. I wouldn't be surprised if individual cities/towns didn't wait for the state or governor to take action, and bought the SeaWell product themselves. Or they would get some kind of federal drought relief payout for installing one. That would be motivation enough for this product to take off.
@@mojo.adventures Time for a public GoFundMe SeaWell agenda - and the people are stockholders - outside of state and federal controllers - and then earn greater profits from their investments than the stock market etc.
Thx for this interesting story. Desalination is usable however: it will make the water in the coastal area more salt. The fisch and life in the area will change!
You are right, brine waste is one of the most cited concerns with desalination. Changes the habitat if it's too concentrated. I would think we could collect and evaporate it instead, then use the raw sodium/magnesium etc. I am interested to know how they use the brine stream to pressurize the intake though. Thank you for watching!👍
You're right, especially at high concentrations! This is the exact reason large scale desal plants haven't been built yet. I am thinking the real solution lies in evaporating and finding an industry for it.
I'm starting to see more push for that since the 2022 water levels but not much action yet. It would have been good to have new containment in place ready for all that flooding last spring!
Great report on desalination. Its definitely concerning that foreign countries controlling water. That sounds like a national security issue that should be addressed in Congress. What are your thoughts on that?
I think you are onto something! 👍 I view it like the oil reserves- definitely a national security issue. If aquifers start going dry and there are no reserves, canals, desal, or infrastructure to take it's place, rural America would be devastated. Especially out west here. Just like the oil reserves, we don't really have a solid backup plan either and BRICS is growing every day. Much in the same way- we can't rely on ocean desal, new containment, or pipelines to transmit clean reliable water where it would be needed. Just look at Flint Michigan if you want to see the pace at which critical infrastructure gets addressed at the federal level...
This information is quite scary. Water needs to be heavily regulated by governments. Water is a community owned resource . Water needs to absolutely focused on food production and life sustenance for all. Lots of other places to generate profits and entrepreneurial spirit ....
Well said! 👍 "Water needs to focused on life sustenance for all. Lots of other places to generate profits and entrepreneurial spirit". This is becoming an issue with the bottled water market also, some companies are pumping it out unregulated.
There needs to be a more logical approach here, you have non viable cropping being done in a "dry" region, you have out of state owners and foreign consumers - something is wrong here and there needs to be better protections in place for existing farmers and residents in these areas. Vested interests will put a spin on their situation but someone needs to be more pragmatic about the actual situation at hand. Charging residents for water use etc when alfalfa crops don't get charged in nonsensical. California would need a combination of both water storage and water desalination to help them meet water needs in the upcoming years. Hopefully commonsense will prevail on this important commodity to our existence. Great video as always. Hello again from New Zealand.
Once again you are on top of the situation better than most Americans! "Something is wrong here" definitely, and I think it is decades of back-room agreements bubbling over. Now that there isn't enough water to cover all the handshake deals made over the years, some of these big players are going to be exposed. I found it most shocking that the USBR was supplying Colorado River water for FREE to the Imperial Valley, which is some of the most wasteful forage crop farming in the whole country. The USBR themselves shaped the playing field as we see it today, wanting to usher in growth and industries to specific areas, and now they are reluctant to take action and fix it. Like you said, California is going to need a combination of solutions at this point... to late for just desal or another reservoir I'm afraid. Everything is growing so fast there from the big cities to industry and partial solutions should have been in place years ago already. Thanks for watching again hope you're doing well over in New Zealand!
The long time local farmers had original water rights passed down with their generational farms. The investment firms then "quietly moved to collect those rights" by patiently waiting out farmers over time and offering them large payouts for their farms (sometimes millions). Once they own the farms, the own the water rights. They can then sell off the water rights completely by agreeing NOT to farm the land anymore. This effectively "moves" the water from one region to another, because the new area (Queen Creek) will be given a larger yearly water use allotment.
@@mojo.adventures Lol I saw the sign behind you and I couldn't resist. Keep skating, brother! Go Leafs Go! Hey, our best player grew up in Arizona. See you at the first best on best international tournament in about a decade, at the next winter Olympics. Another reason why that yank,Gary Bettman, is a scourge on the game.
Ha Yes Sir all good fun. I jumped ship from the Pens when the Knights came along👍 Used to follow the Leafs when I was younger so no love lost here! Only against the Kings & Sharks 😎
@@mojo.adventures Looking forward to finally having the NHL guys back in the Olympics in a couple years. Canada / USA will be a beauty of a match up. Keep your stick on the ice, brother! Cheers!
I've been trying to get this across for years. Profits are controlling our actual storage capacity and costs. Stop the tyranny
I'll give you credit👍 You've been saying all that since we started the lake updates Just too much info to present for 1, 2, even 100 videos. I see water like the housing market currently. Eventually the goal would be to price everyone out and centralize it.
@@mojo.adventures 🙏❤👍🤙🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you for bringing up these topics. Someone needs to. While I don't live in the West anymore, I have always been interested in following the water issues out west.
You are welcome, appreciate you watching and stopping by to leave a comment! Even though we live here there wasn't much interest in the lake level until it started getting really low. Being able to visually see that loss really caught everyone's attention.
Great info, thanks!! And cute dog 🐶 0:46
Bella Boo appreciates the comment! Her 2 favourite activities... hiking and napping. Thanks for watching! 👍
😳 can wait to listen!
Good Stuff! Really enjoying your content!!
Much appreciated Dobrinich!👍 Your channel is actually one of the several that helped motivate us to continue lake coverage. This was really a hiking/offroading channel😎 Much like the river though... you "go with flow" here I'm sure you know. So thank you for your updates also!
In the future if you are interested in some original lake photos / short clips for your vids, shoot us an email. We enjoy helping out other creators here (especially those in a similar topic!)
No water, no food.
Thanks for this video.
Unlike dry minerals and ores, the underground water tables and basins are shared across the entire reservoirs. By increasing one's rate of mining ores, one does not deplete a neighbor's property. The same is not true of underground water. Even surface water channels over time change course until humans attempt to keep the oourse cast forever as if in stone with levees etc. And with desalination, the salt brine is most conveniently dumped back into the ocean with local over salination.
Well said as usual! 👍 One of the things we're fascinated with & hope to cover in future episodes is the several natural sinkholes around the Mojave. The most well known being the Devil's Hole in Death Valley. Some are thought to be connected through a deep ancient river system. It could be that draining an aquifer or water table in one area could have much further-reaching effects than we know of. Even up at Lake Powell, they are still not sure how much water is lost to seepage through the sandstone, or where it would be going.
The salt brine looks like the biggest issue at this point. I would think they would evaporate it and use the dry minerals somehow, but like you said the most efficient and widely used method is to dispose it is right back into the water. I have a feeling whoever figures out a use for the dry waste brine minerals will be into a big big new venture. It would be interesting if the brine could be turned into sodium ion battery cells, used for EV's / clean energy. We would really be onto something then...
Thank you for watching as always!
I think it's worth looking into the high-intensity agriculture uses of water, what crop types are consuming the most water, and more specifically, what those crops are used for or where they end up. A significant portion of uses are for animal agriculture, with a sizeable chunk of alfalfa actually being exported to other countries. In that sense I agree with the market-oriented pricing of water as the current rights and pricing are essentially an unsustainable subsidy for animal agriculture where the negative externalities are not priced in at all.
Well said! Agriculture needs the most water allotment to sustain our needs, but at the same time there is also a lot of fraud, waste and abuse going on. Especially in the southwest. Whether it's cutting our exports or relying less on animal sources, everything needs to be examined and brought to light. Thank you for watching and commenting! 👍
In some other YT vids of others - I listed out the entire metals, chemicals etc in sea water and other than fresh water - there is such massive industrial, strategic, tactical, rare earths, and precious metals in the salt brine (considered a waste byproduct). This is worth trillions. If you make these massive desalination projects, and then sell THIS WATER to the public, that is an income stream to private investors, and government utility industries. Both of all these water and metals make profits for CA - and it is STOOPID (!) that these mofos can't understand this - that I have been yellling at everybody since the late 1980s !!! Pure metals, means clean water, clean land, clean air - no land mining and contamination, no air pollution of smelting when you have pure chemical salt minerals/metals.
Then tell CA to F-O and have the proper water flow for AZ, NM, CO, etc properly watered. It also helps to provide water (from the desalination plants) into the Salton Sea and reverse all the STOOPID there !!! - which creates jobs, entertainment, water sports, increased property values, ... and stops all of the foreign Saudi Arabia raping the federal water sources for alfalfa, and parasiting across us, and selling these vegetation overseas - and making us have higher livestock feed prices. FTS !!! Either they pay and overprice for their water and export products that are also export taxed to the Saudis. No raping the public as the expense of export markets from international parasites - or foreign owned business playing the Americans for their own gains. Time to take back America - and make livestock products for American producers and American consumers.
I give you credit also👍 You have listed out a lot of back-info on the situation going on there in our previous lake updates. You nailed it too- if the government doesn't solve these problems, then it becomes an income stream wide open to private investors. I can see this company SeaWell making BIG $$ if this platform tests successfully. Coastal towns are tired of waiting and want solutions. I wouldn't be surprised if individual cities/towns didn't wait for the state or governor to take action, and bought the SeaWell product themselves. Or they would get some kind of federal drought relief payout for installing one. That would be motivation enough for this product to take off.
@@mojo.adventures Time for a public GoFundMe SeaWell agenda - and the people are stockholders - outside of state and federal controllers - and then earn greater profits from their investments than the stock market etc.
Thx for this interesting story.
Desalination is usable however: it will make the water in the coastal area more salt.
The fisch and life in the area will change!
You are right, brine waste is one of the most cited concerns with desalination. Changes the habitat if it's too concentrated. I would think we could collect and evaporate it instead, then use the raw sodium/magnesium etc. I am interested to know how they use the brine stream to pressurize the intake though. Thank you for watching!👍
All the brine they are planning on dumping in the ocean will cause a lot of trouble later
You're right, especially at high concentrations! This is the exact reason large scale desal plants haven't been built yet. I am thinking the real solution lies in evaporating and finding an industry for it.
Building new safe containments to store water is better.
I'm starting to see more push for that since the 2022 water levels but not much action yet. It would have been good to have new containment in place ready for all that flooding last spring!
Great report on desalination. Its definitely concerning that foreign countries controlling water. That sounds like a national security issue that should be addressed in Congress. What are your thoughts on that?
I think you are onto something! 👍 I view it like the oil reserves- definitely a national security issue. If aquifers start going dry and there are no reserves, canals, desal, or infrastructure to take it's place, rural America would be devastated. Especially out west here. Just like the oil reserves, we don't really have a solid backup plan either and BRICS is growing every day. Much in the same way- we can't rely on ocean desal, new containment, or pipelines to transmit clean reliable water where it would be needed. Just look at Flint Michigan if you want to see the pace at which critical infrastructure gets addressed at the federal level...
This information is quite scary. Water needs to be heavily regulated by governments. Water is a community owned resource . Water needs to absolutely focused on food production and life sustenance for all. Lots of other places to generate profits and entrepreneurial spirit ....
Well said! 👍 "Water needs to focused on life sustenance for all. Lots of other places to generate profits and entrepreneurial spirit". This is becoming an issue with the bottled water market also, some companies are pumping it out unregulated.
There needs to be a more logical approach here, you have non viable cropping being done in a "dry" region, you have out of state owners and foreign consumers - something is wrong here and there needs to be better protections in place for existing farmers and residents in these areas. Vested interests will put a spin on their situation but someone needs to be more pragmatic about the actual situation at hand. Charging residents for water use etc when alfalfa crops don't get charged in nonsensical. California would need a combination of both water storage and water desalination to help them meet water needs in the upcoming years. Hopefully commonsense will prevail on this important commodity to our existence. Great video as always. Hello again from New Zealand.
Once again you are on top of the situation better than most Americans! "Something is wrong here" definitely, and I think it is decades of back-room agreements bubbling over. Now that there isn't enough water to cover all the handshake deals made over the years, some of these big players are going to be exposed. I found it most shocking that the USBR was supplying Colorado River water for FREE to the Imperial Valley, which is some of the most wasteful forage crop farming in the whole country. The USBR themselves shaped the playing field as we see it today, wanting to usher in growth and industries to specific areas, and now they are reluctant to take action and fix it. Like you said, California is going to need a combination of solutions at this point... to late for just desal or another reservoir I'm afraid. Everything is growing so fast there from the big cities to industry and partial solutions should have been in place years ago already. Thanks for watching again hope you're doing well over in New Zealand!
Who sold these Cibola water rights? Who owned them?
The long time local farmers had original water rights passed down with their generational farms. The investment firms then "quietly moved to collect those rights" by patiently waiting out farmers over time and offering them large payouts for their farms (sometimes millions). Once they own the farms, the own the water rights. They can then sell off the water rights completely by agreeing NOT to farm the land anymore. This effectively "moves" the water from one region to another, because the new area (Queen Creek) will be given a larger yearly water use allotment.
@@mojo.adventures Thank you for the explanation.
Too many Canadians playing hockey in tax haven states with no hockey lovers and no ice. Shame on Gary Bettman.
I sense a low key VGK dig here😂 Hey now... there is at least ONE hockey lover here in the desert. Been playing since I was a mighty mite! 🏒
@@mojo.adventures Lol I saw the sign behind you and I couldn't resist. Keep skating, brother! Go Leafs Go! Hey, our best player grew up in Arizona. See you at the first best on best international tournament in about a decade, at the next winter Olympics. Another reason why that yank,Gary Bettman, is a scourge on the game.
Ha Yes Sir all good fun. I jumped ship from the Pens when the Knights came along👍 Used to follow the Leafs when I was younger so no love lost here! Only against the Kings & Sharks 😎
@@mojo.adventures Looking forward to finally having the NHL guys back in the Olympics in a couple years. Canada / USA will be a beauty of a match up. Keep your stick on the ice, brother! Cheers!
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