Wait, Was Crash Bandicoot Always This Difficult?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ค. 2017
- Scott, Peter and Jules bring you their take on the tricky jumping mechanics of Crash Bandicoot: The N. Sane trilogy. Has anything actually changed? Why does it seem so hard?
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I've had to take a break from game after 3 hours of dying. I'll get back to it when I don't feel like punching a hole through my wall
CK TV been the same way, been on and off playing it because I feel bad when I can't get passed lvls that feel like they should be easy. I keep coming back for more tho!
Watcher08121 345 Oh you did not just call wumpa fruit apples!
Andy Aquino I used to call them apples too when I was a kid and I still call them apples. 😂 it just feels much better than wumpa fruit
when you die at the end of sunset vista..
William Dozen hahahaha i had to google the end part to know how to get past that lizard!!!!
I was so fucking mad when I finished The High Road and had 44/45 boxes
Cameron Kubeil that happened to me today lol.. wondering where the hell is that missing box..
commentNator 24 I found it. it's above the screen. have to jump on the metal box with the TNT before it explodes to reach it.
No, are you fricking serious?!?!?! You poor soul!!!
I missed the box too :(
Cameron Kubeil i lost 60 lives on that level and thought fuck it and went on to crash 2. wayyyy better
Definately agree with the physics being off, i noticed it right off the bat on the first level of crash 1!
I knew something was off for ages and eventually worked out it was something to do with the jump.
It's made the trilogy unplayable for me and I'm guessing they done this to save time and money.
Probably easier to just remaster the levels and throw the same physics rather than design new physics for different games.
Its not off its just harder!
Considering all the changes they should have made some levels more forgiving.
That's it.
Same, I thought my game was lagging or something.
I've been playing the crash games for the past 20 years. Crash and Spyro have always had a special place in my heart. The moment I started playing Crash 1 in the trilogy, I immediately realized the jumping mechanic was different. I was really struggling with my depth of field and the biggest problem I was having was to relearn 20 years of muscle memory. The Road to no Where and the High Road use to be two of my favorite levels. Now, not so much. Slippery Climb was noted as being one of the hardest levels in the original and now it's nothing compared to the Road to no Where. Those damn turtles made me so angry. I kept sliding off, and I felt like there wasn't enough space on the turtle to stay steady. For the time trials I stuck to the ropes as much as possible.
Tell me about it.
I think that's it the much poorer hang time of Crash that makes the difference.
Such wimpy jumps, when many, I should have made easily in the originals.
Road to nowhere and High Road did zapped some of my lives, but Slippery Climb?!
I did it first frickin try! Like WHAT?!
Stormy Ascent also gave me problems due to weaker hang time...
That 1 spike with the fast platforms zapped more than 15 lives due to being nearly impossible to jump
over, unless you do it "frame perfect". (I believe...)
The biggest killer in this remake surely is the hang time, but there are some other things that makes it
also worse, or better.
Like.... no damage on Death Route "Cold Hard Crash" = Impossible in this version.
(I tried a lot and no cigar. The ice physics are also nonsensical in comparison to originals...)
To be honest... I don't know whether version is easier as both have their own perks and downs to the
point of balancing themselves out. It's like, pick your poison. ;P
You could have jumped on the rope and walk don’t run if you run you will fall off
imo the last few years really suffering from demakes, and such.
I'm fine with the changes, but an instant restart button should've been included.
Melcore That would be great when trying to get a color gem. The weird thing is when you activate time trials you get an instant resart button.
Melcore I was thinking about it today! It's so frustrating when I'm trying to get a colored 💎 and I die, so I need to get back to level screen and back to the level again! If Time Trial has a restart option, why normal mode hasn't?
The thing about an instant restart button would be that it'd pretty much make the life system moot, because why "die, lose a life, return to a checkpoint" when you can just "restart to the beginning or latest checkpoint"? And, I know what you're thinking. "Then FUCK the life system!" If that's the case, would you feel the game is as it should be without it?
You don't lose a life when dying/restarting a time trial, that's why.
1Synner But if you restarted a level you'll still be down a life and resart similar to game over. You wouldn't be able to recollect any extra lives either, because they spawn back until you reload. It doesn't mess with the lives system at all.
To be fair crash bandicoot 1 has always been fucking brutal compared to the 3'.
I got that game when i was 6 years old and i think i finished when i was 8, that bastard kicked me in the balls for years.
thats what i liked about the original
Bosses were easy as shit though.
The Illustrator except koala kong. It was way harder in the original. It's still hard in the remaster actually
They already made it far easier with the new checkpointing system and the fact you don't have to collect all boxes in a single life.
Trent Callan For clear gems. You still do for Colored gems.
you have to collect all boxes in a singel life to get the collored gems
True, but the jumping was easier in the PS1 version.
But it was much easyer to do the lvl's without dying on ps1!, road to nowhere was easy on the old game, because you have 3 times as large place to land on + you don't need the momentum to be able to jump from one tourtle to a other one.
Lots of people don't even do the diamonds, just finishing all the levels to beat the final boss, then its much harder than the old game.
"The High Road" and "road to nowhere"*
I am so glad you posted this......i'm glad to know I'm not crazy
I can't complete the game. It used to be so easy. It takes me 2-6 hours to complete one level and now I am stuck at High Road, because it takes me even 10 life points to land the first jump and then not die after it. I die around 100-500 times per level and it is frustrating. Now I tried 45 minutes to get to second checkpoint on The High Road. It somehow feels the jumps are not as long as they used to be and you drop faster. Should I update the game if there is any fixes to it?
@@RRJOfficial complain to activision only they can fix it. They changed the jumping and hitboxes thats why you slip easier.
I want to play again but i know its broken and not as enjoyable as the originals
@@hozdehoz2459 Okey dokey, I will report some day. :) I think I am too used to the old version because of my childhood, so I can't complete the game anymore as an adult anymore or at least not easily enough, if you know what I mean. 🙂
@@hozdehoz2459 Yeah ... 😔 It's so sad. Even if I would like to say "try the game", it's not as enjoyable anymore ... My daughter's mother tried it and she has always loved Crash Bandicoot, but even she said the game is too difficult. I wish they would fix it.
im so happy that they confirmed the jumping is different - my 12 year old self was so disappointed with me until i saw this
casualobserver2000 Omg.. I feel you. Am like all the time shouting "I DON'T REMEMBER CRASH BEING THIS HARD!"
it is different, but honestly, you get used to it. I died so many times in the beginning, but it becomes second nature.
I was freaking out because I kept over shooting jumping on boxes and falling and dying. It drove me insane!
Let´s admit the real issue guys, game makers cant make funny games anymore. fuck scoreboards.
It was the same for me. I played Crash 2 and 3 growing up and have extensive muscle memory of the game. I konw how to play it. That's why, when I put my new Nsane Trilogy disc in and started playing the first one, I fell into the very first pit. I NEVER do that. I even had the PS1 version of Crash 1 and played it. The jumping mechanics feel different and I agree that it's harder than the originals. I don't mind though, because at the end of the day, this just gives the game more life for me to play it.
Use the d-pad instead of the analog stick like the original, it'll make it waayyyyy easier.
MrPotatoehead69 I agree it just feels weird using the analog stick for a crash game :)
yep, D-pad all the way
Analog stick works fine for the third one though. But 3 would have been designed with them in mind
MrPotatoehead69 i always using a d-pad on crash games like i used to remember it on the frist play station console
Yup always D pad for crash games!
I'm happy that it's hard. When that new donkey kong game came out on the wii I actually had fun playing a platformer for the first time in forever because I didn't beat every level first try and end the game with 99 lives.
Yeah, I was surprised by that game, I was watching my sister play and thought this looks easy she's just not jumping right, then I said let me see, and i learned that day that the game was fairly challenging.
Joeyissexy same that game was the shit i hated the dinosaur places
except it's hard for all the wrong reasons. The devs set out to recreate the games faithfully and failed miserably by butchering the physics and hit boxes.
It definitely wasn't a fail. I'm happy with this year so far we got some great games that at least got me interested. (2016 was pretty bland).
@BigGeekEmpire Git gud! Perhaps these aren't the games for you.........
Hog Wild I beat on the very first attempt thanks to muscle memory from 19 years ago. Native Fortress on the other hand took me over 30 lives to beat. I'm not looking forward to the high road....
Yeah. High Road zapped many of my lives, but Slippery Climb?!
None. I did it first try. Like what the hell?!
I started to doubt my gaming skills that "it's just pure luck and nothing else".
Also... did only I think that "Cold Hard Crash's" death route is impossible without at least 1 aku mask?!
I just couldn't do without it. :/
(Mind you, I can easily do it in the original though.)
I finished the high road today, never doing that fuckfest of a level again
ESSAB0SS77 the griezman pic 👌
ESSAB0SS77 i went from 64 lives to 13 playing that fucking level....
ESSAB0SS77 just walk on the rope, easy peasy
ESSAB0SS77 Did a speed run of the first game of of the trilogy and it shows all the faults from the developers jumping mechanics. A stream i'll never forget...
what pissed me off about that as well, was the bonus platform having a small in between that and the ledge so I went to walk on to it and had to go back again.
Hope they bring back the original 3 Spyro the Dragon games, those games rocked.
gomthaol but with the old Spyro design, not that Skylanders fucktard of a design.
Oh my goodness, YES PLEASE, THANK YOU!!!
I ruddy HATE the Skylanders Spyro design. I love the Skylanders games, but he looks ANGRY! haha!
+Illisia Adams oh look, a purple pug with wings.
I fucking would buy the PS4 and own that SPYRO games right away if I heard about it.
What you guys said was so true, my hands, my muscle memory just kept telling me something was wrong with the jumping. It took me a long time to get used to it.
That weak hang time... That is the biggest red flag of this remaster.
I'm finding them easier. As a kid it took me FOREVER to beat crash 1, but it's taken me a couple of hours to hit the last island now.
Kieran Fulcher yeah, on the OG crash 1,once you die and respawn on the checkpoint. The boxes count will reset by itself. So you must do a clean run on a level to get a gem. Not like the remastered version. Thats very difficult for a game that released on 90's.
Kieran Fulcher exactly, the original was a lot harder.
Kieran Fulcher So it's easier because you're not a kid anymore.
kpazz123 pretty much this
kpazz123 Then why are there three adults older than me having problems with the first game?
"Crash has turned into Dark Souls" - Genuine review from a games "Journalist" at Gamesradar
this industry is a mess
TheSnoozeFox Reminds me of "like skyrim with guns."
It really is difficult though. The jumping sections feel so outdated.
Dean Quinn so what you're saying is it's hard because it's old? lmao you're a fucking idiot.
trash bag not what I said at all. Great game, It's just hard. You sound nice.
the remaster is easy, try to play the original and then say what is hard. stop say sh*ït
I finished Crash 1 today moving onto Crash 2 soon.
Don't even mention 100%, finishing the game is a challenge alone
Tuxedo Troops Scandinavian Orange
Just wondering,
Did you try 100%ing it at any time, then give up after seeing stupid things you have to do (time trials)
luckily the time trials are optional on 1 and 2 for 100% and are only needed for the Platinum trophy, personally I will finish each game normally (with 100%) before bothering with the time trials, of course the time trials are still part of CB3's 105%.
currently at 100% on CB1 and 70% on CB2. but hey, it only came out on friday.
Tuxedo Troops Scandinavian Orange Im at 102% in crash 1 and at 25% in crash 2 and so far im finding crash 2 100 times easier
KarateCreeper I tried for a bit, I'll probably attempt it at a later date
Tuxedo Troops Scandinavian Orange that Platinum was a BITCH
I'm so glad I am not the only one who thinks the exact same. There is something legitimately wrong with the jumping mechanics. There were countless times I don't make jumps because the jumping mechanics are so tight that you have to be INCREDIBLY precise with your jumps, resulting in overshooting jumps, falling off ledges and dying on the simplest jumps that make you feel like DSP. It's like trying to take a piss into a shot glass. I lost 40 lives alone on Road to Nowhere, I cannot tell you how many times my brother and I died on missing those turtle jumps, it was a nightmare. But on the original game I can beat those levels without even dying, I even played it again with no problems after playing the Remaster. You can see the differences tremendously. And don't even get me started on the jet ski levels in Crash 3, they fucked up the controls beyond belief, it was the worst thing I have ever seen in a Crash game.
Tell me about it...
The ramps are your worst enemy in the Ski levels.
I really loved how they magnetized Coco to the middle of the ramp and leveled her out, so she goes
straight without missing boxes like an idiot or dying like a moron on a nitro boxes...
...speaking of which... "Hot Coco"... I'm looking at you!
That level transition to remaster was a disaster!
The level looks.... squished.
There is so little space between bombs it's near impossible to get through those even without full
speed, let alone when trying to get the platinum relic on that thing!
I assume that Hot Coco level was made in such way back in the original, due to show the limitations of
the character's control and difficulty, but when those "controls" are changed.... then... the level becomes
a complete uncontrollable mess that can't be comprehended.
But yeah.... this game can make you think whether one sucks real bad at video games like DSP...
That darn hang time!!!
Sad thing is.... I didn't even got 99 lives in Crash 2, due to so many deaths, like WHAT?!
Where in the original.... I had 99 lives even before Road to Ruin.
Oh yeah, also.
Fun Fact: those 3 lives on the bouncing crates at the secondary entrance of Air Crash... are impossible.
Crash's hang time is so weak in the remaster... you can't get onto the 2 box from the first.
Like... did they even playtested that?!
What a fucking tease!
My God I can't count how many times I have rage quit
Either it's more difficult or it's different somehow, because I flawlessed the first og crash only months ago and now I'm dying repeatedly in the remake.
I've never played Crash, but about a year ago I played through the Ratchet and Clank Collection as well as the Jak and Daxter Collection. The mechanics change from game to game, but you get used to it right away. Slight mechanics changes between games is understandable and vastly preferable to mechanics not intended to a game.
Mark Andrus the reason is because with ratchet and clank and jak and daxter, were ports.
this crash was made from the ground up.
Mark Andrus - Halo collection is better, it's the new and old engines combined so it has enhanced graphics and framerate along with the old mechanics lol.
Fanboy shit aside though, I seriously think HCEA and H2A are how all remasters should be handled.
The Ratchet and Clank and Jak and Daxter collections weren't really remasters or remakes to begin with so comparing those two with Halo is kind of pointless.
It was even harder back in the day. We all just got used to playing easy videogames nowadays.
true, cause getting the gems was way less forgiving then....
it was "do one life clear for the gems" in crash 1 or the game just said "fuck you"
thesatanic6 who the hell cant finish world 1-1 lel
i think so
Charli3_ Boii I play Dark Souls that's not true!
Charli3_ Boii A number of times it seems easier. Sonic and Knuckles is a lot easier, Castlevania Sotn is too easy. Both great games imo that I still come back to play. I miss what challenge I saw as a kid. However, I find that the first Crash Bandicoot is still hard.
High road is the worst. Made me skip the game to the second one.
I did the same. LMAO
Erik Jamin I'm at the point right now...
Daniel Petracci 10 times I tried to stand on the run, 10 times I fell... it's not easy to jump on the rope.
I just completed it, you can keep saving and loading the beginning of the level you get 4 lives everytime. Got 40 lives doing this in a short time.
I don't like using the ropes but I figured out to land on the rope you have to jump from the centre. I kept bouncing on turtles over gave me a hard time dam turtles
crash3 physics for crash1 is pretty bad.
all the 'hardcore gamers' bullshit saying it's easy... lies haha.
I felt the jump had changed, it has made it much more infuriating. you have to be perfect on alot of jumps, so fucking many.
amazing game so far though
New engine, new controls...
You worded it perfectly sir
Is that, to a certain extent and under a certain mindset, a "perfect remaster" though? It's giving you, basically, the exact same game that you loved, but it's making you relearn it, almost like you're playing it for the first time again?
Dallas Richardson this is a very interesting point tbh but I think what people want is the exact same game but updated for the modern day,the only issue with the jump mechanics is that they haven't updated the levels for the new jump mechanics
That sounds like something Activision would say.
nobody wants to relearn anything, been playing crash for over 20 years
Depends, did they change the mechanics so that each level is an organic experience of learning and enjoyment? Or did they cobble together a bunch of mechanics making the whole thing "new", but not necessarily "better" or as good?
Take away the pretty graphics and convenience upgrades, is this iteration of Crash as good as the original?
Beat the games now and yes, this iteration of Crash is as good as the originals.
There is nothing wrong with re-learning how to play. Honestly I don't know how naive anyone would have to be to expect a game programmed from the ground up today could play 100% like a game programmed by entirely different people many years ago.
High Road, had 60......went down to 8 by the time I finished it
Jon Winters I used that one trick by jumping on the side of the rope bridge.
Emmanuel De La Cruz yeah I ended up doing that too, tweeted at Jules my 100% screen though for Crash 1 right after I posted this comment
Had a 12 year old cousin start with 90 lives on Hang Eight, went down to 5 later. It's funny looking back on it like,
"What the f*ck? Just what the sodomizing f*ck?"
Jon Winters damn you're trash lol I died 7 times
High road didnt bother me too much until the relic.
its a love hate kinda game. sometimes you gotta turn it off hahah
blaggard 999 me right now, I'm pissed off at it. Im taking a break lol. And getting back at in like an hour.
This remake is bullshit
@@noam6175 you're bullshit
So true. Once you get pissed off it's already too late.
That goddamn bridgelevel.. SOO FUKIN HARD!😂😂😂
I knew there was something off about the jumping when I started level 1 for Crash 1. I had chalked it up to VV keeping the clunkiness of the original first game rather than using the mechanics of the 3rd game. I did a full playthrough of all 3 Crash games on PS3 to prepare for the N.Sane Trilogy and I was not expecting this difficulty. Yes, it would be nice if VV kept the same mechanics as they were in the originals, BUT, it was refreshing to me that we got an actual sense of true difficulty as you got to the further levels.(for someone that's played over and over again the original games, it was nice) The High Road was a pain, I lost 45 lives to that stage, was a good thing I had 71 lives by the time I got there.
I don't care if VV patches the jumping of the first game, yes it is difficult, getting the colored gems is a pain in the butt, but it is still a good game and can be completed. I know everyone is going to have their own opinion on this, and that's 100000% alright. If changes get made, I'm 100% okay with it.
"Can be completed" is not something that should need to be said; it isn't even a compliment.
I totally agree
Can be 100% completed with time and effort, which is preferable imo lol
I'm going for the platinum trophy and have all the gems but some of those time trials. my word. native fortress slippery climb and the high road are the only ones left.
I lost over 50 lives on High Road, and spent 7 hours trying to get the gem on Slippery Climb.
Volteire OMG 7 hours, screw that
Volteire 7 hours :O I was lucky and got it on my 3rd attempt :)
only took me ten tries on Slippery Climb and I mostly died on the first section; only once on the upper section. so frustration levels were low. High Road. . . maybe 20 lives. Given that I never manged to beat High Road as a kid 20 years ago, that's at least an improvement.
Slippery Climb is as far as I've got on the 1 remaster. Tried a couple of times and - I think - smartly decided to go to either of the other two games to avoid raging. But last time I played the PS1 version, it took me about two hours. I wouldn't be able to do it for seven hours without quitting, or irreparably damaging my controller.
Jesus
Thank goodness! I'm 52, and was thinking that I was just too old to play these games any more, because I got 100% back in the day, but am having trouble just getting through some of the levels now.
I also noticed myself screaming "THAT'S INSANE" at the TV, as I failed to get across yet another seamingly impossible gap, then realising that's where they got the name for the trilogy from.
Now I'm happy. In our household we have the CPM Rating for platformers; which is the Curses Per Minute scale. The higher the CPM, the better the game, and I suspect this one is going to be even higher than Tropical Freeze, though probably not as high as Cuphead...
Loved the origonal. Love the remake 👍 Went into the latest thinking it would be a breeze. I was wrong haha Died more times on the first level that I care to admit. But by the time I finished the first play through, re-doing even the high road was a heap easier! Just takes a while to get use to the new mechanics. It did however question how my gaming ability could became so bad in 20 years! 😶 So pleased I didn't stream my first run live! 😅 haha
favorite part is when i can finish a level without losing at least 7-10 lives lol
Best thing to do would put in different modes for the different mechanics. In one you have classic Crash with everything exactly the same. While in the other you have a version that would be refined by vicarious visions.
Do you really want to play with the original crash 1's controls which were worst than 2 and 3's controls? I think their choice of control scheme works for most of the stages in 3 games except for the very few in crash 1. Players just need to readjust to the controls again like they did when they first played the originals. If they kept the controls the same as the original, then the game would be piss easy for hardcore fans while newcomers have to play the game tons of times to be as good as the hardcore fans instead of both fans being challenged together.
I hated Crash 1 growing up cause he slid a bit on landing. I prefer this over the original
First video I've seen of you guys, and I really enjoyed it. I agree about part of the problem being muscle memory. Crash 2 was the first video game I owned, and I have beaten it hundreds of times. However beating it in the N'Sane Trilogy took a labor of love at times, as I had to let go of my old habits and teach myself new ones instead.
I'm fine with the mechanics being streamlined as it made sense for the newer players, and was less labor intensive for the employees working on the games. It also made Crash 2 challenging for me for the first time in years, which is something I appreciate.
F*CK THE HIGH ROAD IN NSANE.
Now that I've got that off my chest: As long as I know why the game seems harder, I can adjust, so now I don't mind as much.
I just played through all three games in the N-Sane Trilogy over the weekend.
You sure the physics are the same in each game? Because in game one the controls felt quite a bit more stiff, and as the game series went on, it became more fluid and easier to control.
Crash one felt like I was wading in mud, while in 2 it felt very tight and responsive with way better jump physics, I didn't have much trouble till the very, very end when trying to make mini jumps quick enough to no trigger the instant death shrink rays (you all know the part...)
As for the High Road, screw that level.. I was stuck on both versions of that level for longer than I care to admit. However you CAN stop and safety jump on the turtles, you just gotta make sure you're holding the X button as long as possible as you jump to the next one to make the jump. I will admit though, there were times where I accidentally clipped a turtle killing me, or the turtle (Thank you Aku Aku..) and in both cases I was SOL...
I thought I was the only one who had bother with the jumping. Obviously not.
I was a hardcore crash player back in the day and still played the original trilogy on/off throughout the years and the jumping in N.Sane trilogy is definitely off. Is it a bad game? absolutely not I'm thoroughly enjoying it although I'm not a fan of the new soundtrack.
I would have preferred it to be exactly the same. You have a very good point when you say that the older games' levels where they weren't built for Warped's physics and mechanics.
I'm so late that I even saw this taken down
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who felt this. And I agree- FUCK HIGHROAD. I spent an embarrassingly long amount of time ok that level
the guy in the middle is the friend that everyone "forgot" to invite to the party
"Really hard" = Hit boxes and jumping that need fixing.
had 99 lives before the high road .Had 40 something after
Thehulksterbeast
Did you grind, if so, where?
KarateCreeper Same, got 99 lives trying to get they color gem on The Lost city.
KarateCreeper I had 99 lives as well. I used the first level after I cleared it to grind all my lives.
Just shows that most people haven't played a challenging or stimulating videogame in years.
Exactly, people complain games are easy, then they complain games are too challenging, like come on. Challenging and stimulating is what partly makes a game.
MrZurata well most people who only play fps can't play a platformer the right way which needs accuracy on pressing the face buttons instead of using triggers and relying with their crosshairs, hahaha
MrZurata it's not that they haven't played a tough game it's they don't put it on the hardest level to make it a hard game lol
I think people are upset because they changed how the games play. The original games aren't nearly as difficult.
MrZurata Just shows you don't actually listen to what is being said in the video. The challenge wasn't the problem, it's the fact they used the physics from crash 3 for crash 1 and 2, which messes up any muscle memory they had for it. People who never played Crash before won't have any problem.
Oh yeah ps1 games were hard as shit sometimes crash devs didn't give a shit if you couldn't beat it they were savages
Maybe they could have made a 'Classic' mode where they had different jumping mechanics for each game and a 'Modern' mode with the same jumping mechanic for each game.
SCREW THE LEVEL AFTER HOG WILD good god I hate that level.
Miguel Vasquez Native fortress? I feel the same way if that is the level you're talking about.
Newfie16 that level made me play Warped instead
Newfie16 YES. OH MY GODS. Every checkpoint you're like "Ok this next part must be the hard part" then you realize "OH, ITS ALL THE HARD PART."
Yeah I don't think I've EVER been so mad that I actually started feeling faint from the anger. I was livid. I'm at Ripper Roo now and I don't have it in me to try hard anymore. I try the level like 1 or 2 times and turn the bullshit ass game off. I don't think I'm gonna finish it. Well, the first game at least.
Desarae Chester For real! I actually threw my controller and turned my PS4 off at the third game over.
They made it harder so we can have our nostalgic rage quit and it felt like it was only yesterday.
thank you guys so much for making this video! I literally got a game over on level one and thought I was going crazy. glad to know it wasn't just me! once I realized it was playing like 3 though it got a lot easier
"no checkpoints in time trial"
"why can't i retsart at my last checkpoint"
"why ADDED restart to time trial"(that was always there)
"this guy on reddit said-"
clearly someone didnt play crash 1-3 as much as they're implying. Go back, play crash 1, tell me how far u get before it game over's you and makes you start from level 1.
A lot of people are saying things like "get good" but did you even stop to watch the video? People are complaining because they changed an already established game. People were expecting to get the same 3 games but this time with updated graphics, not 3 harder games with updated graphics.
Yeah no, my friend went and replayed the originals to compare it, minor game physics aside, the difficulty curve is nearly the same. The ease and fun from playing the game in the past is pure nostalgia, rose tints and all. The real issue is that modern gamers have spend the last decade, or longer, playing yearly rehashes of 1st/ 3rd person shooters and 3rd person Rpgs. I.E. Call of Duty, Battlefield, Dark Souls, Overwatch, Destiny, and Mass Effect. Seriously, when was the last time anyone played a legitimately difficult platformer on a console?
lucariomew358/2 Donkey kong Country returns on 3DS is difficult
Amen! I don't have the remake but I am playing the first game for the first time and comparing to let's plays, I'm struggling at the same parts as people who are playing the new game. I don't think it's that big of an issue.
True, if you're really into that sort of gameplay, but I still say that we need more variety. Plus the online playerbase is usually super toxic, especially the underage kids.
From what I see people are getting stuck at the same parts I got stuck at when I was little, high road and the other sky bridge level were always tough to complete, along along with slippery climb and the level that's pitch black without aku aku.
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze in 2014, and every 3D Mario in recent years in regards to their "final" levels, are hard. Crash Bandicoot, is not hard, and I'm of the opinion that you probably didn't play the originals when they came out.
So glad you made this video. Super happy it wasn't just me. I loved the game, but I knew within half an hour of booting up crash 1, wait a minute... Something feels weird, there's no WAY it was this hard when I was 8, I'd never have been able to do it. I did get a massive rush every time I managed to get by a section that had been ruining my life for about half an hour though. It was very refreshing to be challenged, I think a lot of modern games are pitched to make the player feel great about themselves, so they overpower the player and make the levels and the enemies too forgiving to sell better
Level High road : Run on the hanging lines.. easiest level ever ! 👍🏻
......... Relic....... Sucker!
I notice that too. The jumping mechanic between the original and remaster looks different. But hey, that didn't stopped me to keep going into the 3 games :P
crash 1 jumping is broken. sipper climb red gem is driving me insane.
Glad they talked about the 1st game's jumping mechanic. While I never finished the original (finished the remake yesterday) I still remember the platforming wasn't as unforgiving. Native Fortress was tough, but you could get through it with only losing 4 lives or so... in the remake it took me hours to get through it. Definitely a more frustrating game, but still fun.
I thought it was just me! Crash one is definitely harder, I had to give up because my ps controller was on the verge of being launched at the TV (I genuinely have never sworn so much in my life at I did with the high road lol). I think they should have definitely put a the restart option as standard, because waiting for the loading screen when you've just died for the 30th time is rather frustrating.
Lovely video guys nice to know I'm not the only one struggling, loving crash 2 & 3 though :) realising how much time I clocked up on my ps1 when I was younger haha x
I can't wait to play this game hopefully they don't patch the difficulty. I have to get a new controller.
Am I the only one who'd like to see a let's play on Crash from these guys? I think it'd be fun and interesting
I love this! So far, I've only been playing Crash 1. I'm being a completionist and I'm not going to stop playing 1 until I get all the platinum relics. I had a hell of a time with Native Fortress and both Bridge levels, more notably High Road 😐
I hate to admit the number of attempts/hours I put into these levels, but it has to be in the thousands, for a total of over 10 hours just for a few of the relics.
I spent over 3 hours trying to perfect High Road just because there were a couple points I had to keep the momentum going by jumping on the rope and I'd miss and fall off, or I'd not hold X long enough during one of my jumps and I'd fall between some of the planks in the bridge.
I'm ecstatic to hear in this video that Crash 2 and 3 sound relatively less frustrating with regard to the jumping mechanics because I was starting to think that my platforming skills suck, but now at least there seems to be a bit of reason behind it besides lack of skill. Thanks for the video 😃
I took a break from the frustration of failing the high road so much and was happy to see I wasn't the only person screaming about it.While I'm really happy with my purchase, it can be very frustrating to lose because of the broken jumping/landing.I think I may do every other gem/trail run and save the high road trail for last.
Yes yes yes! That is the first thing that I said when I began the second game! I have been yelling at my screen because of that damn ass stupid Jumping mechanic...I haven't started 1 yet (mostly because it's my least favorite) but the problem still occurs in Crash 2. It seems like you're going to jump over a pit really easily and then you fall right into it. I found myself 9/10 having to do the slide jump to even get over the tiniest of pits. It is pissing me off! And like you guys said I kept trying and trying, yet I kept falling in the pits. Vicarious Visions really NEEDS to fix the stupid ass jumping!
The high road took my all weekend to do...now I have work 😫
Haha I saw The High Road in the thumbnail and I'm currently stuck at that level. Immediately clicked out of frustration
LOL the thumbnail is literally the level where I officially CRACKED!
besides the hitboxes being off in the games this game is a million times easier than the original far less punishment the Wampa fruit suctions to your character like a magnet and you get pity checkboxes now how much easier do you need it
....... You are estupid or something?
After playing the N-Sane Trilogy ans then going back ad playing the old ones to see for myself, the momentum mechanics are COMPLETELY different. They're worse now IMO. Felt more solid back in the day.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who went through dozens of lives on The High Road. I am concerned the relic will be all but impossible for me to get on that one. :P Game looks gorgeous though :)
I rarely ever went back to Crash Bandicoot 1 so I had less issues with muscle memory than many others. In fact, part of my hype for the N. Sane Trilogy was knowing that I would be able to play Crash 1 with analog control that it never had, and it's certainly helped my experience with it. Road to Nowhere and High Road are the only stages that I consistently have trouble with, though, because of those precise jumps it asks you to repeatedly nail. The hitboxes on the planks and turtles really should have been widened just a smidge.
- Lewis
I got stucked on that high road level. Then i realized taht you can jump over the rope and run to the end of the level it was beutufil after losing like 30 lives
Great video! I don't understand how ignorant some people in the comment section are. We get it! You're awesome players who do nothing all the time but playing this game till you are a crack at it, but there are people who just want to play this game like it was and it is in fact really hard. The hit boxes from enemies are bigger and from platforms smaller, which leads to more falloffs. Many people on Reddit say that, I say that, all of my friends said that. Maybe you're just better than us, but that doesn't give you the right to insult us, because we want to have fun too.
I would've preferred the old mechanics, even if I was a new player. I mean the justification is easy. If someone gets mad about why you have three different jump mechanics, tell them that this game is a remake and that those games are from three different times but from the same franchise. It's only logical to put the same jumping mechanic to the same game it had before. I feel like activision was just to lazy to make 3 different mechanics.
those people use the analog and they never played the original with the gems, the remaster is easy
ElComandanteRiky exactly.. can't die the whole level to get the gem lol
SkullTune too lazy? no your just too needy
Yeah I wanted to have fun on it too I was really looking forward for it to come out and when it did I started playing it and was really disappointed. Yes I dont mind if it's a bit harder but they made it way too difficult. The jumping is useless it has to be 100% right or you die and you need to have extremely good reaction times and can't hesitate at all and also you need alot of luck. You said you people just want to have fun yes we all do but it's not fun when your you've been trying so hard just to get through this one level for days instead it makes it stressful. I remember playing the old crash games as a kid yes it was a bit hard and it can take a while to get past certain levels but it never took like several days to pass it. This is definitely the most difficult and stressful game I've ever played. Activision did not do a good job at all re making this game.
I don't know, I played Crash a lot as a kid. It was way easier for me to beat the remake than when I played through the first time. Try going back and getting the gem on Sunset Vista, the High Road, Fumbling in the Dark, etc and say it is honestly way easier in the remake.
This is why games are so easy now a days. I love and miss these unforgiving hard games. We need more of them! Posting these kinds of videos tells game designers to make it easy and simple. The new crash is perfect and you have to be good and learn the game to be good! Keep it that way.
I kinda like the new contiguous nature of the jumping. I haven't played in ages, so some of the muscle memory is still there, but relearning the jumps is always the thing that takes the most time. So I'd rather learn it once and be done with it. Plus, it's a new challenge, when you think about it!
why did they take this video down
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WhatCulture Gaming thanks for clearing that up
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WhatCulture Gaming thanks for clearing that up.
You guys pretty much nailed everything I would say about this remaster on this video. I also love it a lot but for fucks sakes the jumping just isn't right in the first 2 games and hitboxes for a platformer are just broken. They added stuff that makes this remaster better than the old ones but then also failed some aspects. I have already 100% Crash 1 and 2 and 105% Crash 3. Now I am only trying to achieve platinum ps4 trophies :D
Indeed.
I had to slide spin jump in the "Piston it Away" bonus area above the nitros, because the intended way... .... is IMPOSSIBLE!!!
You were meant to jump off of the multi-wumpa box to get the boxes after when you hit the ! switch.
But since the hang time is so pathetic, it's impossible to jump over the nitros.
You just don't go that far! And you can't use the "3D" aspect of the game, since it doesn't exist in THIS
version shamefully.
And let me remind you... Slide Spin Jump that makes you go slightly higher, was NOT an actual feature
considered by Naughty Dog originally, i'm pretty sure of it.
And that "feature" is what makes this game "playable" at those awkward moments.
What a shame... (I can name few other things.... but I wouldn't be able to fit that in 1 comment. LOL)
I agree with everything you guys were saying Crash was always difficult but on this remaster they've definitely raised the difficulty level to a whole other level
You guys are absolutely spot on man the amount of Rage Quit N-Sane trilogy has caused me is ridiculous to the point where i have actually (and yes i will admit this) shed few tears out of complete frustration and had to switch off So immediately lol but regardless keep coming back whats worse with these jumping mechanics is when your now trying to go for speedruns i have completed Crash Warped 105% everything but Crash 1 is a whole different animal lool and on the high road and the other bridge level cant remember its name but my god. I have noticed especially on the turtles you need to jump as close to the edge of the turtles as possible on top of holding down forward and the jump button as hard as possible to give u that chance of making the jump so button sensitivity is definitely a thing to me at least, what i can say is that because of things and levels like high road you really do feel that sense of accomplishment when you do actually complete it. Only Stormy Ascent in my opinion can match the bridge levels in terms of pure unadulterated frustration.
p.s on a side note Boulder and Boulder dash are the greatest levels ever so simplistic yet the challenge of running backwards not knowing what you could run into is simply awesome, yes their are similar levels in Crash 2 but don't think they carry the same level of awesomeness as the first time having to do it.
It took me 20 min to finish the road to nowhere 110% real
Super_Nova 2424 it did for me just run on the rioe
U guys are really great TH-camrs 👏 I want to congratulate you guys and keep up your hard work
Definitely wouldn't want the controls to change over all 3, I've recently achieved 100% on the first game and consequently feel as though I've developed new muscle memory for the games such that going to 2 (and doing speed runs ) is a breeze!
Brilliant guys, totally agree with more or less all these points! I also fell down the very first hole a few times and immediately thought what is going on?
I eventually got used to the controls about halfway through crash 1 and the only real issue i had from that point was that you slipped off ledges and that it seemed crash just didn't jump as far making the simplest of jumps a real chore! I finally 100%'d crash 1 and thoroughly enjoyed it. I have just reached the final warp room of crash 2 and this is where my experience tends to differ from most, where the majority seem to complain that crash 1 is the problem and feels the most broken i on the other hand have to disagree and admit that I've found far more issues with crash 2. The first being the hit boxes! I've lost count of how many times I've died from a nitro crate that I visibly did not touch! Secondly is the ability to gauge distance and in particular judge where abouts on the 3D plane you are while on a 2D side scrolling section. In the original you simply moved left and right, whereas here i found myself constantly jumping and missing the platform completely due to not being inline with it in the 3D plane. A prime example is in Road to ruin where you jump forward over some nitros (easier said than done) then as it switches to 2D you jump to the right and repeatedly fall to your death! My 3rd major issue is that the controls don't always match what's happening on screen. Multiple times like when you're trying for the aforementioned boxes on the ice while riding the polar bear you adjust accordingly from left to right to line up correctly with each box and at the last second the camera moves and pulls you away from the box! In the end i got the first 2 boxes then did nothing and the camera moved and got the 3rd box for me. But the best example i can give of this is that even the directional buttons don't guarantee you moving in the right direction! If you play cold hard crash you will come to a section with ascending steel crates on either side each with a box on top. Go to either side and facing forward line yourself up perfectly with the crates in front of you. Now using only the "up" directional button and jump button try and get to the top of the farthest crate and see what happens. You will continually move to the left and slip off the crates!
Even if you stand beside the first crate and hold "up" you will not run alongside the crates but instead veer off to the left.
These issues definitely need addressed.
Overall though it's still crash and I'm still having a blast playing it. I find it strange however that as a result of these issues everyone is saying that it is so much more difficult than the original. Personally even with these issues i seem to be breezing through it much faster and easier than i did the originals, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense! Harder sections i had more trouble with in the originals i seem to be getting by here with little effort! It's the easy parts that normally you don't even have to think about that constantly kill me as a result of the somewhat broken game mechanics and my muscle memory of how the game should play!
Oh thank god, you said it !! I was sooooo frustrated while playing crash 1. I was stuck on few levels for like 2 hours and started hating myself for being so bad at playing this game that I was so good at when I was just a child. Felt embarrassed and thinking that I'm just bad at it and thinking everyone else got it on a first try or so 'cause there were so many times when I just fell from what seemed like an easy jump and aaaargh I was so pissed! Thank god I made it to warped and now I can just run trough every level easily without dying at the first possible moment for 10 times in a row.. It just felt weird to me that the first game is the hardest and third is easiest but that's how they were. Not so good for the new players though
siru elisa you ain't alone man, I had over +30 game overs in crash 1. those bridge levels and slippery climb were a major pain in the ass lol.
siru elisa Yeah Warped is so easy, actually finished the whole game yesterday and only died a couple of times, never had a 'game over'. Crash 1 is insanely hard though i'll keep dying over and over again and i've probably had over 30 game overs and i'm not even finished.
It feels great after seeing the game over screen for 50 times to start playing warped and realizing that I'm not shit the first game is :D (not shit but like super hard shit) And just running trough like 20 levels before even dying once. And instead of having max 4 lives you find yourself having +45 all the time. Maybe there should be a hint at the first loading screen or at the menu where you choose which game to play that beginners should start from 3 to 1. It messes up the story but I assume most people want to play the games in order like me and I see so many people who are new to this game just not being able to finish the first game and never getting to warped.
HI there is the tip for bridge level . You can jump on the rope and just walkthrough. I finish game yasterday
its not that hard! get a grip people.
True, I'm still playing the original third game on my PS2 and it can be challenging but I have never had a problem with it.
Rene Pedersen The 3rd wasn't even on PS2
Perfect Focus backwards compatibility was a thing back then
that's not what he meant, he meant he's still playing the original
cause i can also pop it in on my PS3 and play it due to backwards compatibility
You could play PS1 games on the PS2.
On top of what you guys are saying, Crash 1 also doesn't have the slide and jump mechanic. So this makes getting momentum way harder on Crash 1 than it is in the other two Crash's. Wow no wonder it is so savagely difficult.
YOU GUYS ARE SPOT TF ON! GOD THIS IS SO RELIEVING! THANK YOU!
Why was this taken down
Logan Gregg It got cut off at about 4mins
ArmskillerV2 ok thanks
yeah its still hard. but it feels like its more harder then the original.
Brand91 "more harder" lol
Brand91 that's what she said
It's nice to see you guys having different opinions on this. Makes for good dame discussion.
Whah. Hey don't look at me! I beat all 3 games in 8 days. Best 8 days ever.
They need to patch the jumping, hit detection and input lag asap. Graphics, soundtrack and sound design need work in some areas aswell.
Thank you!!! I asked myself the same question! Was I a better player as a teenager? I had to use 70 lives to get through the High Road
I still love The High Road, and The Road To Nowhere, they are actually my favourite Crash maps. But there is one little important thing you forgot to mention... In the old game you used to be able to just walk over a "one plank wide" gap on the bridge in these two maps, you can't do that in the N. Sane trilogy for some reason. That made it a LOT harder for me, even though I have 100% replayed Crash 1 like 8 times the for last 4 years.
My only real complaint is about the cloud area in the Native Fortress level. I really, really hope they fix the clouds' hitbox, those things are infuriating as hell, and end up turning a simple and straightforward section into a complete nightmare. Sometimes Crash would fall from a spot where in one of my previous attempt he would stand just fine. Sometimes he even drops randomly while walking through the cloud surface, I mean what the hell?
Really hope they patch this up, otherwise everything is pretty top notch. The jump in the first Crash game is a little messed up and he also tends to slip constantly when he lands on the edge of things but I assume most of the difficulty comes from "old" players like em remembering the old controls and having to learn and adapt to the new movements.
Vicarious Visions did a phenomenal job with the remakes.
I honestly didn't think they would pull it off. They even managed to get me loving Crash 1 like I never did before. The old clunky controls, insane loading times and password saving system BS really threw me off as a kid. Now I understand why it is called a true gem of Platforming.
Also here's hoping they will also remake CTR. The demand is high enough and from what I know the trilogy is making a huge success, so who knows
or_lionheart Keep trying!... I got my platinum yesterday... Crash 1 requires a lot of practice. If you are going for the platinum thropy you need to get all the gold relics and that is terrible INSANE!
or_lionheart odd. I played and didn't have any trouble at all. Keep trying I guess
i'll be honest, i never cursed this much to a game until i play the 'recreation' of Crash Bandicoot 1 and 2. Road to Nowhere, Native Fortress, and High Road really pissed me off! Unfortunately i can't stop playing, i never finished both games back on my teens so i want to finish these games no matter what.
I appreciated Vicarious...uh, vision to keep some of the original gameplay elements, but an option for a more accessible experience would be appreciated, especially to newcomer or fans who just want to relax and enjoy a good time with Crash and Coco.
Henry Rahardja git gud
lol, the good thing is i finished the first game, seems like the game take pity on me after the dreadful High Road. Now it's just a matter of finishing the 2nd game
Henry Rahardja i felt the same.
Henry Rahardja if u beat the first then don't worry you'll have a blast with second one its easier and third is easiest wit more spaced out levels
What's the point of a platformer if it's not difficult? Crash doesn't have an amazing story, an open world to explore, non-linear gameplay, amazing visuals or cool set pieces like most modern games. Challenge, charm and nostalgia are the only things that make Crash enjoyable, especially nowadays.
The jumping thing where you slide off the edge of platforms seems to actually be more because of Crash's hitbox rather than the level geometry's hitbox. The hitbox around where his feet are is apparently more of a pill shape rather than a box shape, which makes him slide off the edge of platforms if he doesn't quite make it.
This is something of a double edged sword, because although it can screw you over if you slightly under jump, it also gives you a little bit of leeway where instead of just falling off an edge you were standing on if you were a little late to jump, sometimes you will jump anyway and not die. So although it makes some challenges harder, it makes other challenges easier.
My biggest gripe with the game is the camera angles. I have no nostalgia for terrible camera angles that get me killed due to a lack of depth perception. The game itself may be nostalgic, but I would rather be able to see what I am doing than have everything wrong with the game I liked as a kid still be in the remake. What I am saying is I would praise the game more for fixing issues with the original rather than keeping those issues because "lol nostalgia, it's just like how you remember!"
Just keep the camera angles where they aren't hurting anything, and change the angles when they are just as much an obstacle as the level design itself.
I don't remember the Crash games having different jump mechanics from one another, but I never did have Crash 1 until much later when I played it on the PS3...though I only got halfway in. I'm glad I'm not the only one who lost so many lives to The High Road, and I also had a good 40 lives to start, and hit multiple game overs. I just chalked it up to early platformer design.