Please click "...more / Show more" for links and more information. Visit www.horizonhobby.com/blog-article-plus-firmware-update.html for more information on AS3X+. Visit the AS3X+ setup guide on the Spektrum Wiki Page for a detailed explanation on each setting: wiki.spektrumrc.com/spektrum/as3x-setup-guide Join Ethan Ater and Miguel Alvarez as they walk through the initial setup and tuning process on a 3D airplane! Traditionally, pilots felt that a modern gyro would greatly increase the overall stability in 3D aircraft. However, they felt that a gyro would interfere with certain 3D maneuvers where the airframe's momentum was needed. With AS3X+, this concern is in the past! Miguel walks through the initial settings currently recommended by Spektrum that eliminate gyro interference with these kind of 3D maneuvers while explaining what each AS3X+ setting is used for. With a couple of tuning flights, Miguel and Ethan are able to get the perfect tune with their 3D airplane! Follow SpektrumRC on Social Media! facebook.com/SpektrumRC/ instagram.com/spektrum_rc/
When are we going to get a lightweight 4 channel AS3X+ reciever for our 3D profile planes? I would really love one. The AS3X+ 8 channel has made it easy for me to learn torque rolls with my EF 78 inch Extra 300 V3. Once I learned I was able to shut off the gyro and do them. It would be awesome to be able to do the same with our smaller 32" profile foamies.
I'm in love with AS3X. It has some black magic going on. It feels so natural when flying. You forget there is a gyro. It flies like a much bigger plane. I switched all of my planes to AS3X+. I'm so glad we are able to upgrade our current receivers to AS3X+. This is going to be hard to beat. Great job guys! I'm excited to see what is coming next!
Great instructional video guys. If possible could you do one of these instructional videos for EDF jets. I’m sure a lot of people would appreciate it. A lot of us are still trying to figure this AS3X+ out.
I would follow the synapse video series that David Payne does, as standard tuning procedures are good all around with the exception of 3D (which is why we did this video). Aside from the powersafe/synapse specific stuff, the tuning is the same (AS3X+) th-cam.com/play/PL3xicOtuJ600o5dUvry9z2Og03EAJ-Xdg.html
If you like doing 3D maneuvers high alpha and sick Cobra flips with your EDF Jet, check out Two Brothers RC setup guide on all his EDF jets. His is insane! He posts all his settings for every EDF Jet he reviews.
This is such a well presented video on this subject - best I've seen. Will you please do another showing how best to use AS3X+ with an EDF aircraft - perhaps the Freewing F22 Raptor. This would need, IMHO, to be with an aft CG compared to the OM setting, so that the gyro is having to work when it comes to landing in particular. And another video showing how to use the additional gyros which are available on the AR10360T. Probably best demonstrated on an aircraft with Thrust Vectoring Nozzles and Canards. TwoBrothersRC videos are good but he tends to skip through too fast for them to be good instructional videos. I'm sure there are others craving for more information and guidance on how to benefit from this imaginative upgrade.
I appreciate this setup guide! As I am just getting into 3D and I did not totally 100% understand how to tune as3x+ properly, I was close, but your guys explanation with onscreen display and voice walk through was fantastic. I was able to understand the differences in settings when you demonstrated the flights, by turned down the speed down to .5 on certain parts to understand. I love the idea about putting the gains on the trim switch. But How do you trim the plane after assign the gains to that switch? Or is the point is to never trim again after first flight trimming? All hail the coding AS3X GOD!!
This is actually using additional trimmer inputs which not all radios have. I believe NX8 and above, as well as all iX radios have them. I forget where the cutoff is on DX radios. In my case, I'm using the "L Trim" on my iX20, which is just above the throttle trim.
Hello, great technology. Thank you for the video. Is it OK to apply the same method you used in the video using the 20410t with synaps on my 100cc EF extra 260? I’m flying mostly 3-D with high rates. Thx
Hi Miguel. I have another question. I have had everything setup and flew for awhile. I adjusted more servo travel onto rudder. So do I need to like factory reset and reset up my as3x plus. You said relearning servo after the fact is not a good idea?
Not saying its a bad idea to relearn, in fact you should, but you might need to adjust your Yaw gains depending on how much it was changed. The systems gyro outputs will use the travel range taught to know its allowed movement range. If you reduce travel and don't relearn, the gyro might work on a higher range than what you want it too (especially an issue if it'll cause servo binding). If you increase travel and don't relearn, the gyro output might be limited as its not allowed to move as far as the user can.
@ I guess like usual, there is nothing in the manuals about left or right trims, as far as I know, u have to assign the analog left trim to a channel to be able to use it as a gain channel, once I do that it only goes -50 to +50, then I raise travel to 150 and the output is -75 to +75. It does change my gains, but not 0-100.
@@carlmorasch7831 You probably have something else set up in your model that is affecting the trim range. If you create a new model and assign an analog trim, you'll see it gets the full range. That is a miss on the manual for sure, however I did point out in the video that you have to specifically use Analog Trim as the range on digital is +/- 30 (assuming default travels).
@ so I decided to create a new model, I found that the original model was effected on all 6 trims, they would all go -50 to +50 in increments of 1, so 100 steps. The new model goes -100 to +100 in increments of 2, so 100 steps, Just like the old model. I don’t have a clue what setting could do this, if any? The trim menu is very limited, and it’s set up the same between the new and old model. I’m saying it’s a glitch in the radio, until proven different.
I read a comment here about soft mounting in a gas plane, I have the AR20410T with Synapse that I put in a 76cc plane, is there somewhere that a guy can get info on how to “soft mount” the Synapse? Or mount it at all? Like turbine jet vs gas plane? Spektrum makes great products, with no follow through. These types of videos are appreciated and are a game changer.
The Synapse mounting is already soft mounted through the included grommets with screws. Alternatively you can remove the grommets and use double sided tape, though it might not be as secure. As mentioned in the other issue, if you still run into vibration issues, you can increase the gyro filter strength. I run a synapse in my 100CC Extra with no issues and no gyro filter changes just mounting with screws through the grommets.
@@carlmorasch7831 Gyro Settings > System Setup > Next page. You will need to exit forward programming then reboot the receiver for it to take effect. I'll add this to the wiki.
@@MiguelFAlvarez that would be great, thank you. On a side note, if you could get someone to put in the manuals that the wiki exists, it would really help new pilots. I just got into this hobby 6 months ago and it took me 5 months to stumble across the wiki, and what a game changer it is. Like u said, videos are really difficult to update, but the wiki is easy and super accurate. Every video I tried to watch to learn how to do something, I noticed the transmitter menus were all different. So I knew I could not use said videos and had to just figure it out myself. This was an awesome year for me to start doing this hobby with all the new stuff, but it made it even more difficult without the wiki. So please, try to get the wiki web page added in the manuals. In bold print! lol
@@carlmorasch7831 If you look at the manuals for the pre-updated "+" receivers or the latest powersafe, there is actually a QR code that will take you to the wiki. Obviously for the older rx's its not going to be there (manuals date before the wiki). There is also a link to the wiki in the support tab for any of these new receivers in the product page.
Several months ago, I downloaded about 50 SRM files for Horizon's BNF planes from the shared Google drive. None of them used the 2X or 4X gain sensitivity setting, and I 've never been able to use them. So, I'm wondering why you'd double the gain in the algorithm and add the 0.25X and 0.5X options. If someone wanted more AS3X gain, they could simply set the sensitivity to 2X or 4X. Did you really need to have 5 sensitivity ranges? I used to be able to use the 1X setting, but now I have to use the 0.5X setting. Adding two more ranges when 2X or 4X could have been used makes no sense to me.
Just because the BNF's don't use them doesn't mean they're not useful to others. Our BNF's are only a fraction of the model variety out in the world.The gain was doubled in the algorithm because most of the models we tested ended up with twice the gain that they had in 2.x code without oscillations. If we didn't double the gain behind the scenes, most people would've been having to change their multiplier from 1x to 2x to reach their max gain, so we decided to "shift the window" instead. Believe it or not, there are people that use up to the 4x multiplier (very docile planes), and there are others that use the 0.25x multiplier (extremely sensitive/3D planes). In fact, I personally have planes with both 0.25x and 4x multipliers.
Theres a lot more to the video than just what to change. Explanation for why we change what we do, showing how it behaves in the air, then landing and additional optional changes plus an additional flight to demonstrate.
Did you really just ask that? I'm worried that it might not be safe for you to fly RC planes. You might be a danger to yourself and others. I hope you were high, cause you can't be that ignorant?
Is Spektrum becoming like Tesla with 'full self driving' trying to eliminate the driver? Just like how a race driver would not want to become a passenger, a 3d pilot wants to actually fly the plane. What's next? An AS3X setting for glider 'pilots' that finds its own thermals and circles above with no input? The AS3X people need a more appropriate hobby like bird watching or plane spotting at an airport.
Dude, you're cringe. You don't even notice the AS3X+. It is the most natural feeling system out there. It's 3-axis and counters outside forces. It's not going to fly the plane for you. It's not a freaking auto-pilot, you donut. If you're a POS pilot, AS3X+ isn't going to fix a POS pilot. You need to come down the totem pole and stop projecting your mental illness into this hobby.
There's nothing autonomous about AS3X plus here, all flying is done by the pilot. Like the difference between an autopilot and flight stabilization with airliners. Doubt 98% of fliers could do the maneuvers Ethan performed here. And Ethan could have done them without the gyro, it's just that when flying in gusty conditions, his plane would seem like there's less wind. And landings would be more like "butter" all the time. And we can fly smaller planes, more realistically (as they touched on here.) Oh, and you can fly with the CG further back, yet still fly in a straight line. That's electronic stability.
Please click "...more / Show more" for links and more information. Visit www.horizonhobby.com/blog-article-plus-firmware-update.html for more information on AS3X+.
Visit the AS3X+ setup guide on the Spektrum Wiki Page for a detailed explanation on each setting: wiki.spektrumrc.com/spektrum/as3x-setup-guide
Join Ethan Ater and Miguel Alvarez as they walk through the initial setup and tuning process on a 3D airplane! Traditionally, pilots felt that a modern gyro would greatly increase the overall stability in 3D aircraft. However, they felt that a gyro would interfere with certain 3D maneuvers where the airframe's momentum was needed. With AS3X+, this concern is in the past! Miguel walks through the initial settings currently recommended by Spektrum that eliminate gyro interference with these kind of 3D maneuvers while explaining what each AS3X+ setting is used for. With a couple of tuning flights, Miguel and Ethan are able to get the perfect tune with their 3D airplane!
Follow SpektrumRC on Social Media!
facebook.com/SpektrumRC/
instagram.com/spektrum_rc/
When are we going to get a lightweight 4 channel AS3X+ reciever for our 3D profile planes? I would really love one. The AS3X+ 8 channel has made it easy for me to learn torque rolls with my EF 78 inch Extra 300 V3. Once I learned I was able to shut off the gyro and do them. It would be awesome to be able to do the same with our smaller 32" profile foamies.
So glad you guys are following up the release with helpful videos like this!
Thanks! 👍
Ethan and Miguel...this is fantastic! Extremely well done fellas! I know a lot of people wanted a set up vid specifically for 3D planes.
I saw Miguel's interview with Adam on Model AV8r, very useful video! Let's see an AS3x+ initial setup video for jets next!
I'm in love with AS3X. It has some black magic going on. It feels so natural when flying. You forget there is a gyro. It flies like a much bigger plane. I switched all of my planes to AS3X+. I'm so glad we are able to upgrade our current receivers to AS3X+. This is going to be hard to beat. Great job guys! I'm excited to see what is coming next!
Thank you for this! It is good to have the explanation of the settings and also be able to see how the aircraft responds.
I’ll have to look into this for sure since I recently picked up at EF extra ng 60” recently. Thanks, Miguel And Ethan.
You are going to love the EF Extra NG 60". It is on rails! With AS3X+ It will feel so much bigger and locked in.
Gain rates on trimmer = genius. Great video.
Great instructional video guys. If possible could you do one of these instructional videos for EDF jets. I’m sure a lot of people would appreciate it. A lot of us are still trying to figure this AS3X+ out.
I would follow the synapse video series that David Payne does, as standard tuning procedures are good all around with the exception of 3D (which is why we did this video). Aside from the powersafe/synapse specific stuff, the tuning is the same (AS3X+) th-cam.com/play/PL3xicOtuJ600o5dUvry9z2Og03EAJ-Xdg.html
If you like doing 3D maneuvers high alpha and sick Cobra flips with your EDF Jet, check out Two Brothers RC setup guide on all his EDF jets. His is insane! He posts all his settings for every EDF Jet he reviews.
This is such a well presented video on this subject - best I've seen. Will you please do another showing how best to use AS3X+ with an EDF aircraft - perhaps the Freewing F22 Raptor. This would need, IMHO, to be with an aft CG compared to the OM setting, so that the gyro is having to work when it comes to landing in particular.
And another video showing how to use the additional gyros which are available on the AR10360T. Probably best demonstrated on an aircraft with Thrust Vectoring Nozzles and Canards. TwoBrothersRC videos are good but he tends to skip through too fast for them to be good instructional videos.
I'm sure there are others craving for more information and guidance on how to benefit from this imaginative upgrade.
Great informative video guys! Thanks much!
Very helpful - getting my head around it now. 🇬🇧!
so where do you get the Extra 260 3D airplane you are using? I can find reviews and comments but cannot find where I would buy one? thank.
Its an EF Extra 260 67". It has the recommended motor/prop, 4x Spektrum A5070 servos, Spektrum Avian 130A 3-6s esc, and a Spektrum AR10360T receiver.
Thanks I was wondering the same thing
I looked up those servos and they are $150 EACH.
I appreciate this setup guide! As I am just getting into 3D and I did not totally 100% understand how to tune as3x+ properly, I was close, but your guys explanation with onscreen display and voice walk through was fantastic. I was able to understand the differences in settings when you demonstrated the flights, by turned down the speed down to .5 on certain parts to understand. I love the idea about putting the gains on the trim switch. But How do you trim the plane after assign the gains to that switch? Or is the point is to never trim again after first flight trimming?
All hail the coding AS3X GOD!!
Side note, Thanks for showing off the Gyro Response Test feature. The way I would do it before was, Turn gains up to max and 4x sensitivity.
This is actually using additional trimmer inputs which not all radios have. I believe NX8 and above, as well as all iX radios have them. I forget where the cutoff is on DX radios. In my case, I'm using the "L Trim" on my iX20, which is just above the throttle trim.
How would you setup the gain channel on a DX6e transmitter with SAFE on an AeroScout?
Good video. How about some tutorial on Heading mode for 3D as well?
Hello, great technology. Thank you for the video. Is it OK to apply the same method you used in the video using the 20410t with synaps on my 100cc EF extra 260? I’m flying mostly 3-D with high rates. Thx
Yes absolutely. Any receiver with AS3X+
What model spektrum reciever is this plane running
AR10360T
Hi Miguel. I have another question. I have had everything setup and flew for awhile. I adjusted more servo travel onto rudder. So do I need to like factory reset and reset up my as3x plus. You said relearning servo after the fact is not a good idea?
Not saying its a bad idea to relearn, in fact you should, but you might need to adjust your Yaw gains depending on how much it was changed. The systems gyro outputs will use the travel range taught to know its allowed movement range. If you reduce travel and don't relearn, the gyro might work on a higher range than what you want it too (especially an issue if it'll cause servo binding). If you increase travel and don't relearn, the gyro output might be limited as its not allowed to move as far as the user can.
wht was the setting for servo travels here and rates and expos if i may ask. i have a similar setup and would like to try yours
They are set to achieve the throw angles and expo that the manual recommends. In this video, Ethan was flying on the High Rate + 3D Rate for Ele.
Who makes the plane these guys are flying?
Extreme flight
On my NX10, I am trying to use the left trim for gyro gains, I can only get -75 to +75, and travel is set at 150%, any ideas?
Don't change the travel. Leave it at default +/- 100. You need to assign the analog trim switch, not digital
@ I guess like usual, there is nothing in the manuals about left or right trims, as far as I know, u have to assign the analog left trim to a channel to be able to use it as a gain channel, once I do that it only goes -50 to +50, then I raise travel to 150 and the output is -75 to +75. It does change my gains, but not 0-100.
@@carlmorasch7831 You probably have something else set up in your model that is affecting the trim range. If you create a new model and assign an analog trim, you'll see it gets the full range. That is a miss on the manual for sure, however I did point out in the video that you have to specifically use Analog Trim as the range on digital is +/- 30 (assuming default travels).
@ so I decided to create a new model, I found that the original model was effected on all 6 trims, they would all go -50 to +50 in increments of 1, so 100 steps. The new model goes -100 to +100 in increments of 2, so 100 steps, Just like the old model. I don’t have a clue what setting could do this, if any? The trim menu is very limited, and it’s set up the same between the new and old model. I’m saying it’s a glitch in the radio, until proven different.
Is it possible you guys can Hook up. on a 50 CC or 30Cc gas airplane.
Gas is fine. Make sure to soft mount the receiver. If you run into vibration related issues, you can increase the gyro filter level on the receiver.
I read a comment here about soft mounting in a gas plane, I have the AR20410T with Synapse that I put in a 76cc plane, is there somewhere that a guy can get info on how to “soft mount” the Synapse? Or mount it at all? Like turbine jet vs gas plane? Spektrum makes great products, with no follow through. These types of videos are appreciated and are a game changer.
The Synapse mounting is already soft mounted through the included grommets with screws. Alternatively you can remove the grommets and use double sided tape, though it might not be as secure. As mentioned in the other issue, if you still run into vibration issues, you can increase the gyro filter strength. I run a synapse in my 100CC Extra with no issues and no gyro filter changes just mounting with screws through the grommets.
@ I use a NX10 with the latest updates, I don’t recall seeing a gyro filter? Can u tell me where to find it?
@@carlmorasch7831 Gyro Settings > System Setup > Next page. You will need to exit forward programming then reboot the receiver for it to take effect. I'll add this to the wiki.
@@MiguelFAlvarez that would be great, thank you. On a side note, if you could get someone to put in the manuals that the wiki exists, it would really help new pilots. I just got into this hobby 6 months ago and it took me 5 months to stumble across the wiki, and what a game changer it is. Like u said, videos are really difficult to update, but the wiki is easy and super accurate. Every video I tried to watch to learn how to do something, I noticed the transmitter menus were all different. So I knew I could not use said videos and had to just figure it out myself. This was an awesome year for me to start doing this hobby with all the new stuff, but it made it even more difficult without the wiki. So please, try to get the wiki web page added in the manuals. In bold print! lol
@@carlmorasch7831 If you look at the manuals for the pre-updated "+" receivers or the latest powersafe, there is actually a QR code that will take you to the wiki. Obviously for the older rx's its not going to be there (manuals date before the wiki). There is also a link to the wiki in the support tab for any of these new receivers in the product page.
Several months ago, I downloaded about 50 SRM files for Horizon's BNF planes from the shared Google drive. None of them used the 2X or 4X gain sensitivity setting, and I 've never been able to use them. So, I'm wondering why you'd double the gain in the algorithm and add the 0.25X and 0.5X options. If someone wanted more AS3X gain, they could simply set the sensitivity to 2X or 4X. Did you really need to have 5 sensitivity ranges? I used to be able to use the 1X setting, but now I have to use the 0.5X setting. Adding two more ranges when 2X or 4X could have been used makes no sense to me.
Just because the BNF's don't use them doesn't mean they're not useful to others. Our BNF's are only a fraction of the model variety out in the world.The gain was doubled in the algorithm because most of the models we tested ended up with twice the gain that they had in 2.x code without oscillations. If we didn't double the gain behind the scenes, most people would've been having to change their multiplier from 1x to 2x to reach their max gain, so we decided to "shift the window" instead. Believe it or not, there are people that use up to the 4x multiplier (very docile planes), and there are others that use the 0.25x multiplier (extremely sensitive/3D planes). In fact, I personally have planes with both 0.25x and 4x multipliers.
21min to setup?
Theres a lot more to the video than just what to change. Explanation for why we change what we do, showing how it behaves in the air, then landing and additional optional changes plus an additional flight to demonstrate.
Did you really just ask that? I'm worried that it might not be safe for you to fly RC planes. You might be a danger to yourself and others. I hope you were high, cause you can't be that ignorant?
Spektrum showcasing product tweaking on an extreme flight plane.....even they know what's up and what airframe to fly
Is Spektrum becoming like Tesla with 'full self driving' trying to eliminate the driver? Just like how a race driver would not want to become a passenger, a 3d pilot wants to actually fly the plane. What's next? An AS3X setting for glider 'pilots' that finds its own thermals and circles above with no input?
The AS3X people need a more appropriate hobby like bird watching or plane spotting at an airport.
Dude, you're cringe. You don't even notice the AS3X+. It is the most natural feeling system out there. It's 3-axis and counters outside forces. It's not going to fly the plane for you. It's not a freaking auto-pilot, you donut. If you're a POS pilot, AS3X+ isn't going to fix a POS pilot. You need to come down the totem pole and stop projecting your mental illness into this hobby.
You are an RC Karen. You post without knowing what you're talking about. It doesn't fly the plane for you. You donut.
There's nothing autonomous about AS3X plus here, all flying is done by the pilot. Like the difference between an autopilot and flight stabilization with airliners. Doubt 98% of fliers could do the maneuvers Ethan performed here. And Ethan could have done them without the gyro, it's just that when flying in gusty conditions, his plane would seem like there's less wind. And landings would be more like "butter" all the time. And we can fly smaller planes, more realistically (as they touched on here.) Oh, and you can fly with the CG further back, yet still fly in a straight line. That's electronic stability.