Thee funny thing is, this was very common 20-30 years ago. From half to all the ports being in the back. I don't know why it slowly changed over the last 20 years.
Some reviewers ding laptops cuz "it's hard to get at them." No, it's not. If I'm in 100% mobile mode I'm not using hardly any ports. If I'm plugged in, then I get set up and then I'm done. I am with @kabodanki. One or two USB ports on the side would be nice (thumb drives and maybe a mouse).
I have this exact laptop and I can get 4-5 hours of battery life with normal web browsing, TH-cam, email work. I change it to quiet mode (keeps fans from spinning up taking power), then also use the Windows Battery Saver option. I changed the default CPU max (windows power savings) on battery to 99% so it never uses the max CPU power draw. That is the only things I do and I can go for a LONG time on battery.
Your channel always has the most interesting, new tech-relevant and informative posts. I do not understand why you do not have at least 1 million subscribers. Keep up the excellent work here! 👍
This was one of the better laptop reviews I've seen. Hit all the right points. Thank you! I've been considering either this or a Razer Blade 16 and I think I'll go with the Lenovo. Doesn't look as nice (I'm not into the gamer aesthetic and don't love the camo look of the carbon lid) but for the price difference I'm in.
Thank you so much for doing a review on this laptop. I'm considering purchasing it as a replacement for the one I currently have which is an MSI GE76 Raider with an RTX 3080 Ti and i9 12900HK. I wanted the next Gen processor with a RTX 4000 series laptop and this seemed perfect for what I wanted. I just didn't know what it was like compared to other laptops. So your review hit all the questions I had for it.
It’s a good laptop, you won’t be disappointed, consistent 30500 Cinebench scores and 22000 time spy scores without any tweaking, Starfield runs at 160fps at max settings…
Thank you for this excellent review. That certainly is a nice laptop. I agree that the display is very nice. You did quite thorough testing of this laptop and bring up many important considerations. I agree that SSDs in RAID offer nothing of benefit. I wonder how the performance of the laptop might have improved if you substituted your own choice for the SSD instead. On another note, CES will open up further opportunities for you and your team.
I feel like having a 3200x2000 resolution on a tiny 16" screen is...overkill, I got a lenovo legion 7 and I don't run it on the native resolution ever, it pushes the GPU too much into heating too much, I just use 1920x1200 to keep the 16:10 format. That said it's good that the laptop is capable of a bigger resolution if someone wants to hook it up to a monitor to take advantage of that 2560x1600 resolution.
Like Stefan above me says: Laptop display has nothing to do with an external monitor you might connect. A 1080p laptop can usually drive a 1440p or 4K monitor just fine as well. As for overkill. 1600p would have been fine imho, but you definitely notice the extra sharpness of the 2000p display. And it doesn't really change the GPU heat output either in many games as they're still GPU bound.
I am very pleased with your review, so detailed, units will tell. Flawless work. Wish you had the opportunity to review and test more laptops, your reviews can save buyers money and help them make the right choice. Thank You!
Hi Nada. I'm working on my Christmas Wish List today. This Laptop will not be on it as I'm a full tower PC lover. Your review was great, but I had to force myself to watch all of it. I would only do this for you. Please do me a small favor: wait two more years before you review another laptop. Have a lovely Christmas, and I hope you will get a nice full-tower PC with all the bells and whistles.
Great video! I still find very high end laptops like this one very hard to justify in general, especially when you look at battery life. If you are in some coffee shop to actually justify the portability feature you need to find a spot close to a power outlet anyway. I was expecting much more than 2 hours with the dedicated GPU off. if it was at least capable of 3-3.5 h maybe it's recommendable, but 2h is so little that any casual usage outside home require external power which is a shame. As I said the review is great, the laptop not so much. If you use it at home then why not having a slightly cheaper desktop pc and an affordable $1000-1200 laptop with decent battery life for the life on the go.
Thanks! High-end laptops do have some very specific use cases. I've heard from people that are on the go a lot with access to power (like truck drivers), kids that split their time between two houses and so on. But I agree that for many people a nice desktop + a super light work laptop will make more sense.
Shame that Lenovo nerfed the Pro 7, Slim 7 series laptops in order to sell the 9-series this year. The laptop is ridiculously expensive for some reason. Better wait for sales options.
Nice review! Laptop lid finishing looks cool. As for battery live Ryzen 7000 series mobile would definately improved it, they are more efficient, Raptor Lake mobile are too power hungry. But Lenovo equiped it with two chargers and 140W one is much more convenient for transporting so they somehow mitigate battery life issue.
@@itsacookie1 Since Legion 9i is not available with Ryzen it's strange to claim that Intel version has better battery life. "ryzen sucks too much power to maintain high clocks" is even more weird because Zen 4 outperforms Raptor Lake when they are working with the same power limit especially at low power.
OK, Dragon Range has higher idle power consumption due to its chiplet configuration, but what about power consumption under load? In this review PC Mark 10 wad used for battery life assessment. Does it measure only idle power? As for core count Intel has 24 cores but they are not equal. Only 8 are high performance and 16 are so called "efficient" using different architecture with reduced cache and lowered frequencies which also lacks Hyper Threading capability. While AMD offers up to 16 equal cores in Dragon Range which allows easily compete with Intel's 24 cores in Raptor Lake.
@@KriticullCTRLIt's "very" easy btw. Oh I'm sorry if you're easily offended by other people's comments. It was a kind gesture that had nothing to do with computers I know but it was deserving. I bet either you don't get complimented enough or don't give any and that's ok. Call me whatever you want but I also like JerryRigEverything's voice too. He isn't so bad looking as well. Is that better for you now? It's called an opinion and everyone is entitled to one.
How hard is it to get used to the thinner touchpad and the fact that the keyboard is moved "down" leaving a thinner palm rest / wrist area? It seems to be something that would take a lot of time to get used to and it is designed for a mouse.
@@TechTesters Thanks, I got to try it - I couldn't get used to it. I think that the laptop was designed for a mouse mostly and maybe an external keyboard. To make it thinner and lighter, they made some pretty big compromises in that regard (and the RAM is harder to reach).
@@giulioparisa8794 I'm liking it. It can pretty much do everything. The display is great, probably the best display I've ever used. The laptop does get loud and hot, and if you want maximum performance, you do have to use the bigger power adapter that comes with it. Back to my original comment, I definitely don't regret it. I played a ton of games on it with ultra settings, always great performance. I also did some 3D stuff and editing, its always smooth. The only reason I got this is because I move a lot, otherwise I probably would've went with a desktop PC.
Wow finaly somone that properly review a laptop with all of the important aspects!! I'm A fan! Should I buy this or the msi titan with the mini led or the msi raider with normal ips 500 nits 1600p? All with rtx 4090. Screen wise? I am a content creator and a gamer.
Dual chargers? That's a great idea. Keep the 330W at the home desk setup and the 140W in your bag for travel. Nice. I would love to upgrade my current Legion to this model, although my savings account disagrees. Flicker could be an issue and that lower color accuracy. The real killer though is battery life. I'd never want a laptop I couldn't get a solid 4 hours on for regular work and 2 for heavier use. There is no reason to get a laptop if it's always tied to the wall.
Thank you for this review - especially covering the flicker and local dimming of the miniLED display. Really too bad about the battery life. Otherwise amazing laptop.
All high end x86/amd64 gaming laptops with discrete GPUs have short battery life, that’s not going to change until there are significant changes in battery, CPU and/or GPU technologies
I’d be interested to hear your opinion about the PG32UQXR. I’m not sure if I fully trust oled monitors yet so a cheaper mini led might be a good option
I'm curious why these benchmarks are created with laptops that are much lower in terms of hardware and performance. I would have liked to see the ROG Strix 18 RTX 4090 comparison for example.
Not sure actually, Mini LED displays in laptops are pretty rare. I can't recall if the MSI Creator had that option, and I haven't seen the ASUS version yet.
Thank you. Nice video. I'm looking for a 4090 laptop, this is great but my god...2 hours of battery life is ridiculous. such a shame. Argh, I don't know which one I buy...
Wondering how did you get those results on color gamut since all other resources are stating that it has %100 srgb coverage, around 97 dci p3 and 86 adobe rgb
I have this laptop ( not for long). I'm picky about screens and I can say this noticably doesn't cover the full sRGB spectrum. It's lacking punch. The greens and oranges are vibrant but that's about it. Also the dimming is controlled in a way that reduces blooming by a color gradient that basically is gray gray gray all the way to the left and the black. So solid black is pure black but everything else in between is a shade of grey. So in some ways blacks are portrayed worse than typical IPS.
I need your suggestion. I am about to buy a new laptop for mostly programming C, Python, Java also for media editing, and I also plan to learn ethical hacking further. I am too much confused between this laptop and Macbook M3 Pro 16" 64GB RAM and 1 Tb ssd. Price is not a problem. But I dont understand which one to buy. Please recommend me just only one.
I'm using both the Legion and a 16" MBP right now, it really depends on what you want to do though. I really like my Mac for work and the battery life is fantastic, but it really isn't great at gaming. If you don't game, and if you're sure the apps you run work on Mac, that's probably the way to go. Gaming laptops like this make more sense if you actually play a lot of games.
Great in depth review! I think the 7i is a much better buy. I believe the finish on the cover is "forged carbon fibre" not compressed..of couse i could very well be wrong too haha😅 Lots of options up to that that price range. Thanks Nada!
I think they "forge" it by "compressing" the carbon fibres. Either way it's... something :P And agreed the 7i makes more sense for most, just because it's so much cheaper. But this does add a few nice things at least.
With all the discounts Lenovo offers you can have maxed out 9i 4090 32GB at 6400 with 2TB ssd for $3380, this is cheaper than any laptop in this class.
@@Mdot555 You are correct. I just ordered a maxed out Legion except I got 4080 instead because I thought it was more bang for the buck. I paid $2999 all in, on Dec 1st. But you have to speak to a sales person to provide you with a quote to get the best deal. Never buy direct from Lenovo's site without speaking to someone.
@@Mdot555 People forget about all of Lenovo's discounts. In reality the 9i's price is much better than comparable Razer and even Acer options (Triton 17x).
It is a few years before we see ARM-based gaming machines but I suspect they will revolutionise that industry assuming gaming devs support them. Getting 6 hours of gaming and 12+ hours of SOT doing the usual stuff would show how far Intel is behind with efficiency per watt. The poor SOT on this makes it only practical for desktop use. You would still be better off supplementing this with an ultrabook for lighter work. Other than that, this is solid but expensive and I have abandoned Lenovo many years ago due to poor QC, so though I suspect they have improved in the interim, I am not willing to return when there are great alternatives. Thanks!
They do. Even in quiet mode. And the fans aren't variable speed like Razer or MacBook. They don't start low rpm and ramp up to 1800rpm. They start at 1800rpm. Those old style fans that spin the opposite way for a second when they start up. Probably 12v. Very pronounced sound when they start. ( They do sound good once they are running)
Yes. They lie. Watch Gizmo Slip tech video where he does a 2 hour unboxing. Gushes over it. Even compared the sound to "just under" razer Blade 18 levels. Which is insane.
Two SSD slots are very useful to clone your files I said no way I'm taking out my GPU with all the melting news with the 4090 I prefer two SSD slot for convenience
If this is the one with the built in liquid cooler DO NOT BUY IT. AIO need to be maintained or replaced every few years so unless you are going to get rid of a 4090 laptop after just a few year this is an insanely bad idea.
I just hope they were able to resolve thier keyboard issue. When Windows 11 is on Fast Boot...."sometimes" the keyboard will not work when u restart it. It will only work when u uncheck the Fast Boot and restart the PC again. That is the issue with my Legion laptop.
Will be a while I guess before proper 14th gen laptop stock, and they'll start at MSRP again while many 12/13th gen ones are on good deals atm. Not saying you shouldn't wait, even if it's just for 13th gen models to get even cheaper, but I don't think people should skip on good deals if they find them.
I just ordered a Lenovo Legion 7 pro with the AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX processor and 4090 GPU. I got a decent deal on it, so, I’m thinking I’ll be happy. The 9i looks nice, but… performance wise.. mine is no slouch. I’m paying $2,714 after tax, and a 1 year accidental protection added on. I may upgrade warranty stuff later on. I bought 2 SSDs and a memory upgrade.
Isn’t she the perfect woman!? Looks great and talks about tech! God does exist!❤ For the laptop, 4090 is not the same as the adult version in your desktop. I would opt for the 14” ROG Zypherus. As I would only game on an external monitor like the Samsung Odyssey 47” Groetjes Bart 👋🏼
I've not watched this video but do I need to? Every laptop for the last decade plus overheats and burns itself out in a couple of years. They have very poor longevity and even worse upgradability. I doubt I'll ever touch another laptop. A waste of time and money. If you are gaming on a laptop - WHY?
Why does that make it strange? Most products, like this one, have some downsides to consider. If you do that and decide they don't matter (enough) to you, great!
Because they are designed to be plugged in for heavy workloads, whereas you can just make it go into eco mode on battery. Laptops are WAY easier to carry then a desktop+monitor+keyboard mouse. When on the go laptops are the way to go.
You know what I'd like to see the laptop manufactures make? A laptop that has no monitor or keyboard or trackpad, just IO, CPU, RAM, NVME, and GPU. I have a gaming laptop but I never use the laptop's keyboard or trackpad or monitor. I basically use the laptop as a small, efficient desktop because I have never liked trackpads or laptop keyboards or even laptop monitors.
@@gerardgauthier4876 just get a desktop tower at that point, because what you want is basicly a desktop tower... you can find small tiny ones if space is an issue and they can even be set on the side so your monitor can sit on the case
@@bonelink90 Who said I wanted a tower? Not me. Don't you find it odd that people with gaming laptops usually have a gaming mouse and a gaming keyboard and monitor? Why not take the laptop components and make a device that has a laptop motherboard and CPU and RAM and laptop GPU? I'd buy it if the price was lower than a gaming laptop with similar specs because I never use the touchpad or the laptop keyboard or the laptop monitor.
@@eIectrostatic No problem. You have your choice. I just don’t want to take risks. The incident of the drone safety just happened during the Ukraine-Russia war.
I have it in 64 RAM 13980 hx and I hate it. My Macbook pro M1 32gb ram can run Blender even better with animation and designing not too complex even... The touch pad is 2x smaller than my Macbook pro M1which I need since I have trouble working with a mouse due to surgery. Also after some time the pad is definetily not working as well as the M1 or even my older Mac laptops. Anything compared to a MacbookPro looks plastic. Am I missing something?
More laptop brands need to consider this I/O layout... all the essential ports at the back are amazing.
Thee funny thing is, this was very common 20-30 years ago. From half to all the ports being in the back. I don't know why it slowly changed over the last 20 years.
one or two usb c on the side is pretty good though
Some reviewers ding laptops cuz "it's hard to get at them." No, it's not. If I'm in 100% mobile mode I'm not using hardly any ports. If I'm plugged in, then I get set up and then I'm done. I am with @kabodanki. One or two USB ports on the side would be nice (thumb drives and maybe a mouse).
I have this exact laptop and I can get 4-5 hours of battery life with normal web browsing, TH-cam, email work. I change it to quiet mode (keeps fans from spinning up taking power), then also use the Windows Battery Saver option. I changed the default CPU max (windows power savings) on battery to 99% so it never uses the max CPU power draw. That is the only things I do and I can go for a LONG time on battery.
I'll see if that helps. If that's the case then I think they really need to consider adding a proper battery mode.
Why buy it if you have to disable it's power into a potato for better battery? Just use your phone at that point.
Your channel always has the most interesting, new tech-relevant and informative posts. I do not understand why you do not have at least 1 million subscribers. Keep up the excellent work here! 👍
Mini LED is the way to go if you use this laptop for work. OLED screens can still get burn-in with static UI elements.
Props for testing for PWM! It'd be really helpful to get some quantified data for the flicker frequency and modulation depth as well.
Notebookcheck tested the 9i and measured 4742 Hz PWM. They have some data on their site.
This was a very well-done video and extremely helpful. Love that you think about multiple use cases. Well done and thank you.
This was one of the better laptop reviews I've seen. Hit all the right points. Thank you! I've been considering either this or a Razer Blade 16 and I think I'll go with the Lenovo. Doesn't look as nice (I'm not into the gamer aesthetic and don't love the camo look of the carbon lid) but for the price difference I'm in.
Thank you so much for doing a review on this laptop. I'm considering purchasing it as a replacement for the one I currently have which is an MSI GE76 Raider with an RTX 3080 Ti and i9 12900HK. I wanted the next Gen processor with a RTX 4000 series laptop and this seemed perfect for what I wanted. I just didn't know what it was like compared to other laptops. So your review hit all the questions I had for it.
It’s a good laptop, you won’t be disappointed, consistent 30500 Cinebench scores and 22000 time spy scores without any tweaking, Starfield runs at 160fps at max settings…
I’m so glad you mention the stuff about RAID 0. I got this laptop and the process to disable RAID 0 wasn’t hard, it was annoying.
Thanks! And yeah it's easy, just a waste of time imho.
Thank you for this excellent review. That certainly is a nice laptop. I agree that the display is very nice. You did quite thorough testing of this laptop and bring up many important considerations. I agree that SSDs in RAID offer nothing of benefit. I wonder how the performance of the laptop might have improved if you substituted your own choice for the SSD instead. On another note, CES will open up further opportunities for you and your team.
I feel like having a 3200x2000 resolution on a tiny 16" screen is...overkill, I got a lenovo legion 7 and I don't run it on the native resolution ever, it pushes the GPU too much into heating too much, I just use 1920x1200 to keep the 16:10 format. That said it's good that the laptop is capable of a bigger resolution if someone wants to hook it up to a monitor to take advantage of that 2560x1600 resolution.
If you hook it up to an external monitor you can use whatever resolution you want, doesn't matter what resolution the laptop's display has...
Like Stefan above me says: Laptop display has nothing to do with an external monitor you might connect. A 1080p laptop can usually drive a 1440p or 4K monitor just fine as well.
As for overkill. 1600p would have been fine imho, but you definitely notice the extra sharpness of the 2000p display. And it doesn't really change the GPU heat output either in many games as they're still GPU bound.
You can run 4k monitor if you want with this laptop.
god your reviews are so good, finally a channel that doesn't waste your time
Glad you think so! That's the idea any way :)
I am very pleased with your review, so detailed, units will tell. Flawless work. Wish you had the opportunity to review and test more laptops, your reviews can save buyers money and help them make the right choice. Thank You!
I would love one of these for playing and making vr games but not anywhere near my budget.
Wow you're amazing, what a review, you really know what a laptop user wants, thank you very much it really helped me a lot in my decision
Thanks!
Thank you, once more! :D
Good review.
Given the option, I would go for an i7 with a 1080p monitor and two SSDs not in a RAID.
Thanks for the review.
Thanks! I do think higher resolution displays are worth it though, even if it's "just" 1440p/1600p.
Wow that's a lot of local dimming zones on such a small screen! I have 576 on a 27" so over a thousand on 16" is insane!
I'm looking at a ~600 zone 27" monitor here for another test, the difference is huge.
Hi Nada. I'm working on my Christmas Wish List today. This Laptop will not be on it as I'm a full tower PC lover. Your review was great, but I had to force myself to watch all of it. I would only do this for you. Please do me a small favor: wait two more years before you review another laptop. Have a lovely Christmas, and I hope you will get a nice full-tower PC with all the bells and whistles.
is the miniled blooming noticable with white text on black background? my day job is coding in darkmode
Great video! I still find very high end laptops like this one very hard to justify in general, especially when you look at battery life. If you are in some coffee shop to actually justify the portability feature you need to find a spot close to a power outlet anyway. I was expecting much more than 2 hours with the dedicated GPU off. if it was at least capable of 3-3.5 h maybe it's recommendable, but 2h is so little that any casual usage outside home require external power which is a shame.
As I said the review is great, the laptop not so much. If you use it at home then why not having a slightly cheaper desktop pc and an affordable $1000-1200 laptop with decent battery life for the life on the go.
Thanks! High-end laptops do have some very specific use cases. I've heard from people that are on the go a lot with access to power (like truck drivers), kids that split their time between two houses and so on. But I agree that for many people a nice desktop + a super light work laptop will make more sense.
Shame that Lenovo nerfed the Pro 7, Slim 7 series laptops in order to sell the 9-series this year. The laptop is ridiculously expensive for some reason. Better wait for sales options.
I got one maxed out for $2960 before taxes, got a lot of discounts on it :)
How you get the discounts?
Nice review! Laptop lid finishing looks cool. As for battery live Ryzen 7000 series mobile would definately improved it, they are more efficient, Raptor Lake mobile are too power hungry. But Lenovo equiped it with two chargers and 140W one is much more convenient for transporting so they somehow mitigate battery life issue.
The Intel version has better battery life this time. The ryzen sucks too much power to maintain high clocks.
@@itsacookie1 Since Legion 9i is not available with Ryzen it's strange to claim that Intel version has better battery life. "ryzen sucks too much power to maintain high clocks" is even more weird because Zen 4 outperforms Raptor Lake when they are working with the same power limit especially at low power.
Ryzen has higher idle power draw so pick your poison. How many cores is the Ryzen part as well? The 13980HX is 24 cores.
OK, Dragon Range has higher idle power consumption due to its chiplet configuration, but what about power consumption under load? In this review PC Mark 10 wad used for battery life assessment. Does it measure only idle power? As for core count Intel has 24 cores but they are not equal. Only 8 are high performance and 16 are so called "efficient" using different architecture with reduced cache and lowered frequencies which also lacks Hyper Threading capability. While AMD offers up to 16 equal cores in Dragon Range which allows easily compete with Intel's 24 cores in Raptor Lake.
Best review of this imo. Plus you're very easy to look at and listen to. 😊
Always some creep needing to comment on how a reviewer that's a woman is easy to look at.
@@KriticullCTRLIt's "very" easy btw. Oh I'm sorry if you're easily offended by other people's comments. It was a kind gesture that had nothing to do with computers I know but it was deserving. I bet either you don't get complimented enough or don't give any and that's ok.
Call me whatever you want but I also like JerryRigEverything's voice too. He isn't so bad looking as well. Is that better for you now? It's called an opinion and everyone is entitled to one.
Nice work as usual and very thorough.
Your pal Coco.
Thank you for such a good review.
My pleasure!
Unless you're trying to do 4k on a 4070 or 3080. Or you're using a 20 series card for any resolution, ect. Resolution scaling should not be needed.
I ordered one last week with 6400 ram and a single 2tb drive with the 4090. I was able to get a bunch of discounts. Much cheaper than the blade 16.
How much did you spend, and where are you? Just curious! And enjoy it!
It was 4500 Canadian before taxes so like 3325 USD. Thanks for the video!
I got same exact specs, total with tax was $3500, you can’t beat that
@@kmdkmd-jz8pv thats pretty nice imho. Hope you enjoy it!
@@Mdot555 not bad either. Enjoy!
How hard is it to get used to the thinner touchpad and the fact that the keyboard is moved "down" leaving a thinner palm rest / wrist area?
It seems to be something that would take a lot of time to get used to and it is designed for a mouse.
I didn’t really have any issues getting used to it, but it’ll vary from person to person I suppose.
@@TechTesters Thanks, I got to try it - I couldn't get used to it.
I think that the laptop was designed for a mouse mostly and maybe an external keyboard.
To make it thinner and lighter, they made some pretty big compromises in that regard (and the RAM is harder to reach).
Fantastic review, very informative
Great laptop, fantastic review as always!
I bought one, hope I don't regret it.
Hey man, how was your time with this laptop? I’m considering buying one
@@giulioparisa8794 I'm liking it. It can pretty much do everything. The display is great, probably the best display I've ever used. The laptop does get loud and hot, and if you want maximum performance, you do have to use the bigger power adapter that comes with it. Back to my original comment, I definitely don't regret it. I played a ton of games on it with ultra settings, always great performance. I also did some 3D stuff and editing, its always smooth. The only reason I got this is because I move a lot, otherwise I probably would've went with a desktop PC.
@@giulioparisa8794If you get one, let me know bro
Wow finaly somone that properly review a laptop with all of the important aspects!!
I'm A fan!
Should I buy this or the msi titan with the mini led or the msi raider with normal ips 500 nits 1600p? All with rtx 4090. Screen wise?
I am a content creator and a gamer.
Dual chargers? That's a great idea. Keep the 330W at the home desk setup and the 140W in your bag for travel. Nice. I would love to upgrade my current Legion to this model, although my savings account disagrees. Flicker could be an issue and that lower color accuracy. The real killer though is battery life. I'd never want a laptop I couldn't get a solid 4 hours on for regular work and 2 for heavier use. There is no reason to get a laptop if it's always tied to the wall.
MiniLED is just a fancy backlight technology. What is the actual panel - IPS or VA?
Not specified and not 100% sure, but I'd say IPS or AMVA is the most likely.
Great review. I don't understand why there is no version with Ryzen 9 CPU and the 4090
Thank you for this review - especially covering the flicker and local dimming of the miniLED display. Really too bad about the battery life. Otherwise amazing laptop.
All high end x86/amd64 gaming laptops with discrete GPUs have short battery life, that’s not going to change until there are significant changes in battery, CPU and/or GPU technologies
I’d be interested to hear your opinion about the PG32UQXR. I’m not sure if I fully trust oled monitors yet so a cheaper mini led might be a good option
Haven't tested it but I agree that Mini LED is a good alternative to OLED due to not having burn-in risks ,even if it has other downsides.
Does it have an AMD dragon range variant? It would be interesting to see how it will perform .
Thank for this very detailed review. Do you think that water cooled options made a big difference? Like how must degreea better than normal ones.
From what I've seen so far it would have a small impact. Hard to quantify without having the same laptop without watercooling.
Any issues with the Intel i9-13980HX CPU? Did Intel finally fix them?
hehe with the cpu & gpu pulling up to 200-210w together under max load, not sure the display is the main battery drain when playing games =)
Great review!
Thank you!
MSI Titan 18 HX! Hey miss techtester! Could you review this next year?
I'm curious why these benchmarks are created with laptops that are much lower in terms of hardware and performance. I would have liked to see the ROG Strix 18 RTX 4090 comparison for example.
Good that you mention the local dimming that doesn't have the option of turning off. Does other laptops has that option for content creation?
Not sure actually, Mini LED displays in laptops are pretty rare. I can't recall if the MSI Creator had that option, and I haven't seen the ASUS version yet.
@@TechTestersi think scar 16 has that ability from what I remember, which makes it kind of unique
@@TechTesters Only ASUS has that ability for turn on/off the local dimming zone, the option is in the armoury crate.
Thank you. Nice video.
I'm looking for a 4090 laptop, this is great but my god...2 hours of battery life is ridiculous.
such a shame. Argh, I don't know which one I buy...
Thanks for this review. Can you recommend a similar laptop with the same speed for photo editing?
I guess the Legion 7 / 7 Pro would be the closest?
I bought one but was disappointed with the performance compared to my gaming desktop. Maybe 5090 will perform better when it comes out
Laptop prices are stupid now for the upper end.
First 24 h ,second for paiment 2+ or problem, i tought first is second, companies less or non
Lovely sweater !
Thanks!
Wondering how did you get those results on color gamut since all other resources are stating that it has %100 srgb coverage, around 97 dci p3 and 86 adobe rgb
I have this laptop ( not for long). I'm picky about screens and I can say this noticably doesn't cover the full sRGB spectrum. It's lacking punch. The greens and oranges are vibrant but that's about it.
Also the dimming is controlled in a way that reduces blooming by a color gradient that basically is gray gray gray all the way to the left and the black. So solid black is pure black but everything else in between is a shade of grey. So in some ways blacks are portrayed worse than typical IPS.
I need your suggestion. I am about to buy a new laptop for mostly programming C, Python, Java also for media editing, and I also plan to learn ethical hacking further.
I am too much confused between this laptop and Macbook M3 Pro 16" 64GB RAM and 1 Tb ssd. Price is not a problem.
But I dont understand which one to buy. Please recommend me just only one.
I'm using both the Legion and a 16" MBP right now, it really depends on what you want to do though. I really like my Mac for work and the battery life is fantastic, but it really isn't great at gaming. If you don't game, and if you're sure the apps you run work on Mac, that's probably the way to go. Gaming laptops like this make more sense if you actually play a lot of games.
Great in depth review!
I think the 7i is a much better buy.
I believe the finish on the cover is "forged carbon fibre" not compressed..of couse i could very well be wrong too haha😅
Lots of options up to that that price range.
Thanks Nada!
I agree, but I think people should get the slim 7/7i if people don't need a rtx 4080/4090
I think they "forge" it by "compressing" the carbon fibres. Either way it's... something :P
And agreed the 7i makes more sense for most, just because it's so much cheaper. But this does add a few nice things at least.
With all the discounts Lenovo offers you can have maxed out 9i 4090 32GB at 6400 with 2TB ssd for $3380, this is cheaper than any laptop in this class.
@@Mdot555 You are correct. I just ordered a maxed out Legion except I got 4080 instead because I thought it was more bang for the buck. I paid $2999 all in, on Dec 1st. But you have to speak to a sales person to provide you with a quote to get the best deal. Never buy direct from Lenovo's site without speaking to someone.
@@Mdot555 People forget about all of Lenovo's discounts. In reality the 9i's price is much better than comparable Razer and even Acer options (Triton 17x).
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I don't understand 165 hz at 3k when scar 16 can do 240hz at 2k. Lenovo needs to do better 😢
It's a completely different panel, they just decided to buy the slightly higher res, slightly slower one.
Actually for the bandwidth 3K @ 165hz equates well with 2K @ 240hz. ... obviously
It is a few years before we see ARM-based gaming machines but I suspect they will revolutionise that industry assuming gaming devs support them. Getting 6 hours of gaming and 12+ hours of SOT doing the usual stuff would show how far Intel is behind with efficiency per watt. The poor SOT on this makes it only practical for desktop use. You would still be better off supplementing this with an ultrabook for lighter work.
Other than that, this is solid but expensive and I have abandoned Lenovo many years ago due to poor QC, so though I suspect they have improved in the interim, I am not willing to return when there are great alternatives.
Thanks!
Lenovo Legion has excellent QC when comparing to other gaming laptops. I have had three or them over the last 5 years, with zero problems
Some reviews says the fans are really ramping up even idle . I was considering this until that review .tsk
They do. Even in quiet mode.
And the fans aren't variable speed like Razer or MacBook.
They don't start low rpm and ramp up to 1800rpm. They start at 1800rpm.
Those old style fans that spin the opposite way for a second when they start up. Probably 12v.
Very pronounced sound when they start. ( They do sound good once they are running)
What a surprise 🥳
these specs for the colour are wayyyy lower than what they advertised? is it that it just needs calibration. I dont understand. They are just lying?
Yes. They lie.
Watch Gizmo Slip tech video where he does a 2 hour unboxing.
Gushes over it. Even compared the sound to "just under" razer Blade 18 levels. Which is insane.
If only I was made of money...
Two SSD slots are very useful to clone your files
I said no way I'm taking out my GPU with all the melting news with the 4090
I prefer two SSD slot for convenience
Best way to clone your files is to use an external Thunderbolt drive as then if the laptop is lost you have a backup at home, rather than losing both.
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If this is the one with the built in liquid cooler DO NOT BUY IT. AIO need to be maintained or replaced every few years so unless you are going to get rid of a 4090 laptop after just a few year this is an insanely bad idea.
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Give me an 18-inch version with an OLED screen, and I'll be fist in line to buy.
Wait for lenovo legion w/ rtx 5000 series btw lenovo legion user here rtx 3000series
Nice aesthetics
I just hope they were able to resolve thier keyboard issue. When Windows 11 is on Fast Boot...."sometimes" the keyboard will not work when u restart it. It will only work when u uncheck the Fast Boot and restart the PC again. That is the issue with my Legion laptop.
I haven't had that happen at all with this one.
Have a Lenovo laptop at the moment - overheats in long gaming sessions and feels generally cheap.
Customer support is also abysmal.
You can't consider battery life if you choose a gaming laptop. Then you should go for a completely other machine.
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Thanks ✌
Some budget content would be nice....
Budget laptops? If so, gaming or non-gaming?
@@TechTesters some content in general for students going to college
I would trade my wife and kids in for this one. Good thing I am single.
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I would buy only with an AMD CPU... 🤷♂
Hold off cuz the new intel 14th gen is around the corner
Meh, gains not worth waiting for.. rather wait on amd 8000 serie
Would have been if Apo was in more games and application
Will be a while I guess before proper 14th gen laptop stock, and they'll start at MSRP again while many 12/13th gen ones are on good deals atm. Not saying you shouldn't wait, even if it's just for 13th gen models to get even cheaper, but I don't think people should skip on good deals if they find them.
I just ordered a Lenovo Legion 7 pro with the AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX processor and 4090 GPU. I got a decent deal on it, so, I’m thinking I’ll be happy. The 9i looks nice, but… performance wise.. mine is no slouch. I’m paying $2,714 after tax, and a 1 year accidental protection added on. I may upgrade warranty stuff later on. I bought 2 SSDs and a memory upgrade.
@@NewLungs12312zeroeighteen enjoy! Lovely machine and a pretty reasonable price imho!
2 hours on battery!
great review
5k Euros for this here in some of European countries...
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For the laptop, 4090 is not the same as the adult version in your desktop. I would opt for the 14” ROG Zypherus. As I would only game on an external monitor like the Samsung Odyssey 47”
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I've not watched this video but do I need to? Every laptop for the last decade plus overheats and burns itself out in a couple of years. They have very poor longevity and even worse upgradability. I doubt I'll ever touch another laptop. A waste of time and money. If you are gaming on a laptop - WHY?
Many people need the portability. And not every laptop burns itself out in a few years. Very few do in my experience.
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idk this video is trange, your arguments against this computer are not really convincing
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Why does that make it strange? Most products, like this one, have some downsides to consider. If you do that and decide they don't matter (enough) to you, great!
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What is the purpose of a laptop if it doesn’t last more than 2 hours
Because they are designed to be plugged in for heavy workloads, whereas you can just make it go into eco mode on battery. Laptops are WAY easier to carry then a desktop+monitor+keyboard mouse. When on the go laptops are the way to go.
You know what I'd like to see the laptop manufactures make? A laptop that has no monitor or keyboard or trackpad, just IO, CPU, RAM, NVME, and GPU.
I have a gaming laptop but I never use the laptop's keyboard or trackpad or monitor. I basically use the laptop as a small, efficient desktop because I have never liked trackpads or laptop keyboards or even laptop monitors.
That is a colossal stupid idea.
@@Wobbothe3rd Why?
@@gerardgauthier4876 just get a desktop tower at that point, because what you want is basicly a desktop tower... you can find small tiny ones if space is an issue and they can even be set on the side so your monitor can sit on the case
Why wouldn’t you just get a prebuilt desktop tower at that point lol.
@@bonelink90 Who said I wanted a tower? Not me. Don't you find it odd that people with gaming laptops usually have a gaming mouse and a gaming keyboard and monitor? Why not take the laptop components and make a device that has a laptop motherboard and CPU and RAM and laptop GPU?
I'd buy it if the price was lower than a gaming laptop with similar specs because I never use the touchpad or the laptop keyboard or the laptop monitor.
HOPE, 64 GB of ram and a 4TB drive with a 17in screen, then we can talk...
I do my best to avoid Chinese companies if I have the option.
MSI makes great Laptops ;~)
Hard to do these days you know
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Summery:
Before you buy lenovo legion , remember that mac m3 exist
Dumb. Mac can't play regular games.
The screen is slow like mud.
No cooling capacity anyway.
No Lenovo.
Love Lenovo.
@@eIectrostatic No problem. You have your choice. I just don’t want to take risks. The incident of the drone safety just happened during the Ukraine-Russia war.
I have it in 64 RAM 13980 hx and I hate it. My Macbook pro M1 32gb ram can run Blender even better with animation and designing not too complex even... The touch pad is 2x smaller than my Macbook pro M1which I need since I have trouble working with a mouse due to surgery. Also after some time the pad is definetily not working as well as the M1 or even my older Mac laptops. Anything compared to a MacbookPro looks plastic. Am I missing something?
Yes. Zephyrus 2024 and Razer are like the max.
legion 9i is as well but with a textured coating