BMM is a ship of the line for when the Banu go to war, not to mention the giant amount of wasted space in the nose of the BMM. They should give it a size 10 spinal cannon and a small brig.
Also make the size 5 turret a size 6 and more remote turrets (separate from point defense ones). A large kitchen befitting for a large crew size. Crew storage areas. Possibly an observation room separate from the bridge. A ship repair section for hanger.
To your point, if the devs do indeed not only pause making but reconsider the design, I pray to CR they add more windows. The ship loses so much of its grandeurs for lack of panoramic references to the outside.
The personalized aspect you mentioned at the end is already in game in ships such as the Origin 315C. If you purchase that ship with real money, you have the option to choose a custom exterior paint, internal colors, custom sheets on the bed, trinkets on counters, etc. Once chosen and confirmed, the choices are locked in for good. They have already created the technology for this so perhaps they could use it in the BMM.
I like the idea. Just think modularity isn't what we're told it is. I believe it's actually just a different version of a ship that gets swapped. We won't actually see the modules being pulled and replaced. That'll be hidden behind a timer like when you use a refinery. All that's happening is your account is being given the ship with the config you want.
@@DawnstealerGaming It's really not too difficult for them to develop multiple variants as long as the rooms are only what's different and not hallways/corridors and doorways. I think if they did it with a Zeus sized Banu ship like you said, maybe have 2 or 3 rooms that could be different depending on owner choices, then they could do the same for BMM on a larger scale.
The Merchantman is a ship to live in and spacious interiors aid in psychologically being able to comfortably live in space. I would imagine this is particularly important to a species that is physically large by comparison to humans and seems more prone to gathering in groups. It's also a ship designed to show wealth in a conspicuous fashion. If you can afford to have such large areas of space, you must be wealthy. The image of wealth entices customers. Witness real estate salespeople driving luxury cars. For both those reasons the "wasted" space makes sense to the Banu. And then there is the esthetic. The ship is supposed to be a work of art, owing a good deal to an organic feel. Is it grown as much as built?
BMM is amazing . That is a great idea to have permeant mods on BMM . I really hope CIG will embrace it .I'd like to have the option to turn the meditation area into an armory for my Banu Warbird model .
I think it makes sense. With all the updates to engineering, all the smaller ships already need a refit, can you imagine having to do that with some of the larger ships
@@adrianbarreto4225 I think they have some large ship specialists at this point, but I was already getting 600i vibes when they were doing the walkthrough - “here’s a big space…we weren’t quite sure what to do with it, so we just kind of left it big and empty and added some stuff at the edges and curves” I’m fine with them taking a step back and thinking through what they want the Banu aesthetic to be a bit more
It all really did make sense in line with Banu lore and society. These weren't utilitarian vessels cranked out by Drake held together with bubble gum and space tape. These ships were generational ships that would span decades, even hundreds of years of use in a family of traders and nomads. The communal sleeping arrangements and turret temple were part of those sweeping spaces. And no, the Banu did not believe in privacy. A Spectrum user by the name "Tesseract" wrote a very interesting piece about the differences in communal affairs on a human ship (like a Carrack) and a Banu ship (like a Merchantman). To put it simply, on a human ship, if the Captain finds out that a gunner is being bullied by a janitor, the Captain would demand the janitor meet with him in his private Captain's quarters, and give him a "my way or the highway" speech. If the janitor didn't shape up, they'd get dumped at the next port and a new janitor would be taken on board as crew. But on a Banu ship, these crew mates are there together as a family, for years on end. You can't just dump the janitor at the next port. They're part of your family, so to speak. And the Essosouli (Banu leader) is not going to just bark orders at the janitor. They're going to bring them to the communal living space (those central seats in the sleeping chamber) and they will sit in a circle and try to figure out WHY the bullying is happening, and what is "off" about the social network on the ship, and fix it. There's no private Essosouli quarters (like on the Carrack) because that isn't how Banu ships are run. Those behind-closed-doors negotiations aren't hidden from the crew, those negotiations and dealings are held in the midst of the "ship family", so that all can participate, and all can know. Back to that point of there not being the same level of privacy on a human ship. Banu privacy really isn't that big of a thing. You can read more of Tesseract's write-up here: robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/main-turret-space-utilization-on-banu-merchant/5176146 As to a room showing their wealth, I think the idea was more that the ship itself displayed their wealth. That wealth was displayed through that turret temple with all of that extra space that a human designer might say "Oh my gosh, it's all wasted space!" but the Banu don't care. They have space to spare. And the things they have that are trinkets and tchotchkes to show off, they'd be shown off in the bazaar or selling space, because they'd also be ready to trade those things for others if the opportunity arises. Great video though, look forward to more of your stuff! o7
@@DawnstealerGaming Yeah, that was a player / non-CIG person writing, but I always thought they were writing based on their understanding of the lore. I never got that far into all the alien lore so I can't be sure, but their writing certainly seemed to match up with those images we got out of the dev team for the various rooms.
My problem with this is no ship in star citizen should be art and lore first. It needs to make sense to have and use long term or no one will keep it/buy it. If 90% of the space is wasted on open areas, I'm definitely going to be ccuing it. Most people will, and we will barely ever see it after the release patch. Maybe that's what they intend. Make it so useless that its rarely seen in the verse.
@@GideonBlackbook Yeah but it has it's uses. 2800+ SCU of cargo space, the merchant bazaar for selling and a mobile marketplace, a hangar for additional ships, supposed to have heavy engines for fast straight-line speed, and some hefty guns up front to defend herself punching through blockades. The rest was just the beautiful window dressing turning this utterly useful ship for cargo, exploration, and trade into what is most likely going to be one of the most gorgeous ships in the entire game. If they can stick the aesthetics they've already worked on, and keep furnishing environments like the sleeping chamber and others, it'll be visually unmatched, with a whole lot of goodness packed inside.
What we really need is a Banu Ironclad. A large ship (but not quite capital-ship sized) that CIG can use to develop a coherent style guide and asset library for Banu ships so that they can more easily tackle massive capital ships like the BMM. Just like how they are using the Ironclad to develop the Kraken.
The merchantman should have, exchangeable, rescueable, and unlockable npcs that have increased commodity trades based on the npc specialists. So for ex. One trader could buy/sell Medical supplies at a increased rate, and can be attached to your merchantmans stores, drawing traders to your merchantman. These npcs can only be unlocked via missions, rescues, or maybe even after an Organization event happens.
They might, honestly. And that might be another reason why they bagged it - realizing that engineering was going to be more than the engine room and that they’d have to figure out how the Banu would handle the various nodes across the ship
So according to CIG they stopped development on the BMM because the 2 specific ship devs that were working on it left the company and not because they lost their lead concept artist, CIG lost at least 4 ship artist I know of to Star Atlas alone whether this is because of pay, burnout or personal reasons I don't know but JC has been very vocal that they need to rotate artists due to burnout because they will lose them otherwise. JC also stated that they need to bring devs up to speed before throwing them onto the BMM due to its complexity as it can't be kit bashed.
The ship dev that was working on it WAS the lead concept artist. He was the guy guiding the ship through production. And yes - the issue is that they were trying to get Sq42 out the door, so it was all remaining devs on deck to get all those ships up to snuff, and that meant no wiggle room to rotate people onto the BMM
As one of the eternal members of the banu merchantman owner's club, I remember the excitement back on the forums... now it's just sad. Nothing they could do with the ship now will bring it back to that original concept.
Solid observations, best take ive seen yet on what the BMM should be, and what it isnt last we saw (so to speak), and the difference between reality and the CIG version of the truth we were dispensed, you did well to open up a perspective of where the design had started to deviate and fail and I have no doubt it was a part of the truth of it all. Totally agree CIG should restart direction in a medium and work up the sizes from there, it just makes bloody sense tbh, especially since S3 and S4 ships is where the sales and delivery has neglected the most in the many fomo years. You should do a collab with starjump and inforunners and astropub, that would be fun.
The Merch is definitely going to benefit from the maturation of the dev teams and the strengthening of manufacture style guides. Also, I think you’re on the right track with starting on smaller ships to solidify styling and architecture.
"has to choose throughout the rooms specialty through the modularity system then its baked in bespoke to that bmm" this sounds a LOT like the old 300i customization system that so few know about.
On the wasted space thing: Actually, I think it's an interesting idea. As you said, space comes at a premium in ships and Banu are all about showing off wealth. What better way to show off wealth than have large, open and beautiful spaces? Sure, there could be more details, but overall, I do like the approach. It's the exact opposite to the crammed and overly functional spaces of, for example, a C2 or a Corsair.
I simply have a upgrade from ironclad assault to merchantman and when that ironclad assault comes out in-game and is purchasable in-game i will redeem the upgrade.
IDK about you but personally the medical room and the bazaar are my favorite parts of the ship aside from the giant VIP room overlooks the cargo bay. I really like the alien goo rest stations and I hope they're here to stay.
Looking at the cargo room they are going to have to redesign it. Or back track on manual cargo loading for it because the cargo stacks are way to high.
@@vik12D For fun, and selling to players some rarer items. hardly something to base an economy on. Besides CIG was clear that you won't be able to make passive income, meaning no NPC making money for you in the shops, so you better have friends in every shop selling your stuff.
@@captainharlock3998 And player shops at player bases? Seems like you're projecting assumptions to fit a narrative you like. That's fine, time will tell.
@@vik12D It's not assumptions. Players shops at players bases will have to be manned by player sellers. CIG was clear there will be no passive income whatsoever.
I love a lot of the points you made. I was at first in the group that was like well they made a lot of progress why didn't they finish. Now I have critically looked at their progress before work halted, a rework of the layout will be needed. For example that top gun. A large retractable cone to cover a turret? why not swap the turret for a small Defender bay that is specialized in housing a couple of them. Next rework the forward hanger and integrate it with the cargo bay & meeting room. Directly towards your lore suggestions I think Banu prizes their privacy. Otherwise there would not be a private negotiation room. Why would a race that shares public spaces so freely build in such a private room?
re concept redesign after making a smaller ship. The banu defender is crab like, might make the mm manta ray like design with a pop out turret that has duel size 7. Plus some other smaller manned turrets and auto pds. The bazaar with a single deck connected to meeting room overlooking a big cargo/ hanger bay. The mouth of the manta ray design can be the cargo/hanger bay access. Always pictured the Banu being from ocean like worlds and living on islands with beautiful resort beaches and bustling trade centers, maybe have some backwoods swamp areas. I like the art style they chose but it just needs to be revised to make sense.
i hope eventually the rooms get reworked well or at least when we get smaller crafting machines or vehicles so you can actually live on the bmm and travel where you need to for supplies kind of like the intention of the ship and the banu
That’s my dream, at least - my home port will absolutely be my BMM and I don’t plan on leaving it often…provided it lives up to expectations of the last ten years. No pressure, CIG
I would like to know if you believe that the Defender needs to be redesigned because of how much larger the Merchantman feels in size? Everything about the Defender seems human-sized, from the beds and seats.
Nice insightful video with some really positive suggestions. I agree that there really is no other path to developing the BMM without introducing a smaller ship or they will end up with another Starfarer. Unfortunately, as wonderful a suggestion for the various bespoke configurations, it won't happen because of the resources it would take to create all those options and the players will undoubtedly gravitate to only a handful of them.
Some day I'll buy a GPU replacement for my 1070, and that will be the day I can fly my LTI Merchantman. The last thing I ever bought before I decided to stop "getting that bag."
Great info and insight! Thank you, I keep wanting to melt mine but it's it was part of my 1st ccu game and it's only worth $245....I think I will just keep my C2, Banu Defender and Hull C and be happy.
It’ll be amazing when it drops. Honestly, I care less about what it looks like and more about what it actually does. But I wouldn’t mind having it, you know, sooner
I think those big size 8 guns are going to be a challenge for them to bring in and then balance. The other thing is the tech for having shops that you can add thing to, have other players buy, and even npc's you hire to work there and those that come in to buy is probably still on the drawing board. Who knows how much they have done of the Banu as far as style and culture and actual in game sizes. Humans are fully done so its easy to make ships that fit them. Banu ships offer an additional challenge of needing to be made to allow both Banu and Humans to use. The styling is odd for them in some places as well. The one ship we do have is the defender and one odd thing to me is why would these aliens make a ship that looks like a crab from earth? The gun turret on the Merchantman also looks a lot like a Banu defender. It just seems like they have a real handle on some ship manufactures but the other ones don't seem as nailed down. Banu, Origin, and to some extent crusader. Drake and RSI they have nailed down really well and Anvil and Aegis as well. I like the idea of modularity for these and I am also all for a mid sized Banu ship that would help them create more Banu assets and work on the styling which is only going to help with the big Merchantman. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. One of the main things I wanted to do in the game way back in the early years was go find and repair ships and ship parts and then sell them. Queue the Banu Merchantman the store to sell and the Crucible the ship to acquire goods for my shop. Who knew it would be over a decade of those things still being on the shelf.
You miss out that the crew area is not accessible for customers. They do not have a leader, they decide everything democratically.. that is the thought behind the crew sleeping area..
I have this pledged. I would love to get it sooner than later. But, I am good waiting until they have the game loops complete...well, in our hands to test, before they put the BMM out to us. I hope they stick with the complete alien design. I want it to feel alien when I climb on board. I would like to see a lot more defense turrets. Since it doesn't have the luxury to store more than one large fighter, it really needs to be defendable by the crew. Even if that means 10+ crew to man guns. 4-6 Furys would be helpful in that bay, probably more than one Defender. Anyway. Great video!! Very much enjoyed. Thank you o7
The way they designed this ship, the Banu are more like a hive species. But, in my opinion, they made huge rooms so that they wouldn't have to spend time designing smaller ships. Not hard to design 10000 cu. Ft. of air. LOL.
Really interesting ideas and thoughts put into this. Nice work and a lot of fun to listen to. I like the idea of a unique module ship. Would feel like the player built it. Plus it would encourage players to buy/trade another in game because of the uniqueness.
I would HOPE it would be similar to what they did with the 300 series when they reworked it. I imagine it would be too much work for one ship, but it WOULD be cool
I'm speaking to the part where you said "CIG isn't really talking about why they pulled the Merchantman from production, so we are left with guesses and hearsay."
@@CaptainSnackbeard Yeah, but pretty sure I address that in this vid, too - Paul Jones (the dev who left) was certainly ONE reason why they put it on ice, but there were several devs outside of Paul Jones who were working on this. They just hit a roadblock and figured to put it on ice for a bit - which I'm okay with, honestly, but it would be nice if they picked it up again sometime soon-ish™
@@DawnstealerGaming Although I do [with no evidence, only gut feel/sense] see him as a major reason for the initial 600i poor design, and maybe, as you pointed out, the BMM.
Id say this. The BMM is an exceptionally difficult ship to maintain. They start beautiful but look like an Indian city after a few weeks and never get cleaned up. The maintenance would be exceptional because they utilize slaves and to equate that a normal human would be very very hard pressed to keep the ship flying withought a helluva lot of good business. Without systems, quantum economics, to explore the ship is worthless. It would be like flying a pyro station in no time. To caveat ive had this ship the moment i could get it.
I agree with what you say about the 600i. It has some individual rooms that are very successful, like the captain's quarters, but overall, it needs it's rework. The Banu Triptaker would be an awesome ship that already exists in lore!
Yeah, just as someone that's currently looking at boats that I could live on, all of the used variety, it would make a lot of sense that the highly-specialized Banu would have BMMs that were specifically task-built, and not the more-or-less generalists we're getting
@@DawnstealerGaming I also thought the guest rooms were an odd choice. They never struck me as a hospital species. The price difference between the BMM and privateer has been strange to me also. Are landing pads worth $1000? The BMM is currently in my but backs. The ironclad looks to better suit my needs.
@@Nmyoutube821 I think that's part of it - even internally, it's inconsistent. They have this big, communal room, but they have a space that's almost the same volume that's reserved for a single guest? Doesn't really make sense.
@@DawnstealerGaming I am not completely against the communal living area, but I agree that language needs to be consistent. The invention of privacy is a relatively recent development, largely adopted after the 17th century in European cultures. Perhaps the Banu did not value privacy, which led to communal living areas. Individual rooms would have contradicted their culture if they hosted non-Banu guests who valued privacy. I don't know the year the BMM was constructed or the year of first contact, but if the BMM predates first contact or was constructed shortly after, individual living arrangements would have been a completely alien concept, unlikely to have been incorporated into the ship's design. I understand the need to separate from the 'other' that may have posed a threat to the Banu; however, their living arrangements would likely have mirrored the conditions of the Banu themselves.
This ship will be great for hard core role players... and that's about it. This was my first big ship purchase way back in the day, and I mourn its loss to the great feature creep
For me the only interesting thing is, that it is a specific trade ship. But I have to take into calculation, that I do not see anything that does make sense from a trading perspective. A trading ship needs protection, maybe more than any other non military ship, because it would have not only goods, but maybe also a good amount of money as well. But a trading ship wouldn't waste any space for military sections if there is no need for and on top it wouldn't be just designed for the traders species, but to make feel any kind of customers comfortably and to make its interieur so absolutely incompatible to other species, doesn't make much sense. We would expect at least adaptable interior. But to mention one more point to the military part: A merchant ship like this wouldn't waste space for impressive military sections as mentioned, because security systems would be more hidden than visible and such a giant weapons room would make it look more of a spy ship than merchant ship. But what we would expect is, impressive weapon systems, that are well implemented without much need of interior space. If I would think of a communal species, I wouldn't really think of useless common sleeping quarter, but more of special sections, where people with specific tasks live and work together, like the gunners would have a special gunner section where there would be a common living quarter, where there would be weapon stations implemented, so that the guys there would socialice while there is no work, but if needed, they would be at work within seconds and without the need to break into solitary to man the guns far away.
Yeah, maybe a place for them to be communal, but Soulis aren’t exactly families, either - you’d think they’d keep the actual relatives separate from the indentured servants
@@DawnstealerGamingofc i would want it sooner but if there’s any silver lining to getting it 2027 is that there will likely be npc crew for hire by then so the MM could be ran as a solo player (which is myself)
I like what they showed during the greybox tour, but they really need to rethink the turret tower temple idea. It makes very little sense from a lore standpoint. The Banu who adapt other species tech to have the best of the best on their ships as a show of wealth and power; also design a ship with a giant gapping hole at the top of their ship for people to just float in? Not a fan.
It’s very annoying they got a fair way through the BMM build and stopped due to the team leaving. In fact, they need to understand the importance of wow ships like the 890J and Carrack. They wow external gamers, and give people something to strive for to eventually buy in game as a dream ship. CIG need to focus on delivering the BMM, Odyssey and Liberator asap for that reason imo, and I say that not owning any of them but because stupid “variants” and even more concepts are not how they should be hitting revenue targets.
I’ve said elsewhere I think the Liberator would be an easy win for them. I get it with the BMM, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t feel just a bit like the ship just isn’t a priority for them. THAT said, I totally understand why the BMM is on ice: it’s huge, it’s complicated, it’s total loop isn’t in the game yet, the style guide for the entire race isn’t nailed down yet - it…makes sense. Doesn’t mean I don’t still want it, though
@@DawnstealerGaming Yes, the BMM I totally get them parking, it should be one of the last ships done because they don’t want to be doing totally reworks like they are going to have to do for the Caterpillar (for example). The Liberator is to me perhaps the easiest ‘quick win’ large ship. They have a tonne of good Anvil assets thank strong design language they can repurpose, and the ship is a mini carrier so a lot of the core functionality are those landing pads. I feel like that’s a very easy one for them to get out and get done.
I'm not on the "We should class action sue CIG" bandwagon but the whole "selling a promise and then not delivering on it in a person's lifetime" practice with CIG is nearing criminal. Either scrap it, make it happen or refund the backers that pledged for that ship.
Yeah, you’d have to be able to prove damages, and that would be a rough one. At this point, I’m good with it taking a while off what we get in the end is worth the wait. From what we’ve seen with the latest ships? It should be - they are getting really good at it now
Why not the merchantman? Because the primary function of the ship doesn't really exist in game yet. That ship needs a functional economy and a decent set of crafting systems in place otherwise its just larger carrack.
No ship in star citizen should be art and lore first. It needs to make sense to have and use long term or no one will keep it/buy it. If 90% of the space is wasted on open areas, I'm definitely going to be ccuing it. Most people will, and we will barely ever see it after the release patch. Maybe that's what they intend. Make it so useless that its rarely seen in the verse.
I won’t be CCU-ing, but I hope I made the point pretty clear that I expect the space usage in this ship to be good and not a bunch big, open spaces without real purpose. That was the mistake they made on the 600i, so hopefully it was a lesson they learned
The Started with the Defender for that very reason. To develop the style guide for Banu ships. The merchant man has game mechanics that DONT EXIST. Until they do, that ship will never see the light of day.
If I may... Your ideas have merit, but there may be a simpler way than making the Merchantman modular. Supposedly the Banu Merchantman ships are ancient. Handed down from one generation to the next, and treasured beyond what humans would consider a ship or vessel. They are the Banu version of home. Each one unique, rare, and the result of many years of collecting objects. So... Why not go back to the original artwork, where the ships fit that description? And leave 6-8 rooms, each different in size, shape, and feel; but empty. Then each owner can outfit these rooms as they wish. CIG need only provide these empty rooms, access to the furniture and interior decor catalogs, so we may decorate these rooms to taste. Face it, the "new" BMM looks like a Pelican's head, more than an alien ship. Gone is the look of an ancient vessel, the "feel" of home, the impressive status symbol, of the original concept; even the majestic up-turned wing-tips. Instead it was given the FAT look of the re-imagined Carrack, and the wide open luxury, and wasted space of the 600i. I'd start over. You are correct. In a ship, space is always at a premium. Open spaces scream "wasted opportunity" not luxury. The BMM currently looks like a different artist designed each part of the ship. It's a mess. Ex: Who would EVER put a huge support beam directly over the main, central seat, on the bridge? looks un-planned. CIG have shown us that they can do MUCH better.
I think it’s also the case that the BMM has obviously grown way beyond the early ideas when they were thinking it would be somewhere between Connie and starfarer sized. I still think they’ll make a ship in the size range you suggest, hopefully in the manner you suggest there because I like that idea, just to get a true Banu style guide and assets rolling
great video. But a lot of this is a simple lesson that needs to be stated: If you pay CIG for a "concept ship", you're probably a complete fool, unless your only motivation is funding the project.. But 99.9% are buying a concept because they think they'll get a cool ship.
Please stop with your "modularity".. It's a Teletubbies Band-Aid for not completing and assuming the role of each of the ships... your word Unique.. means nothing here if you allow Modulation all the ships... It's simply a blatant lack of desire for Artistic Creativity!
the fact cig cant cope with 2 people leaving shows just how fucking mismanaged this project is. id lose my job if my entire team fell apart due to losing TWO people.
I think I want a little time to orient myself on it, but…yeah, if it was the last ship they made, it’d definitely be the coolest ship made to date, but Gdi - I want it before then 😂
BMM is a ship of the line for when the Banu go to war, not to mention the giant amount of wasted space in the nose of the BMM. They should give it a size 10 spinal cannon and a small brig.
Also make the size 5 turret a size 6 and more remote turrets (separate from point defense ones). A large kitchen befitting for a large crew size. Crew storage areas. Possibly an observation room separate from the bridge. A ship repair section for hanger.
@TheRealVranesh the front of the ship has a HUGE empty space that is like 20% the entire volume
GTA 6 before Merchantman...
100%
Lol😂
Man, that’s looking REAL likely, tbh
I'll be too old to play by the time this ship releases
Are you gonna die?
To your point, if the devs do indeed not only pause making but reconsider the design, I pray to CR they add more windows. The ship loses so much of its grandeurs for lack of panoramic references to the outside.
I think that could be said for most of their ships, and stations, honestly
The personalized aspect you mentioned at the end is already in game in ships such as the Origin 315C. If you purchase that ship with real money, you have the option to choose a custom exterior paint, internal colors, custom sheets on the bed, trinkets on counters, etc. Once chosen and confirmed, the choices are locked in for good. They have already created the technology for this so perhaps they could use it in the BMM.
I like the idea. Just think modularity isn't what we're told it is. I believe it's actually just a different version of a ship that gets swapped. We won't actually see the modules being pulled and replaced. That'll be hidden behind a timer like when you use a refinery. All that's happening is your account is being given the ship with the config you want.
Agreed - just throwing spaghetti at the wall. By the time they swing back to it, who knows what the tech will be
@@DawnstealerGaming It's really not too difficult for them to develop multiple variants as long as the rooms are only what's different and not hallways/corridors and doorways. I think if they did it with a Zeus sized Banu ship like you said, maybe have 2 or 3 rooms that could be different depending on owner choices, then they could do the same for BMM on a larger scale.
@@rtek777 fair point
The Merchantman is a ship to live in and spacious interiors aid in psychologically being able to comfortably live in space. I would imagine this is particularly important to a species that is physically large by comparison to humans and seems more prone to gathering in groups. It's also a ship designed to show wealth in a conspicuous fashion. If you can afford to have such large areas of space, you must be wealthy. The image of wealth entices customers. Witness real estate salespeople driving luxury cars. For both those reasons the "wasted" space makes sense to the Banu. And then there is the esthetic. The ship is supposed to be a work of art, owing a good deal to an organic feel. Is it grown as much as built?
BMM is amazing . That is a great idea to have permeant mods on BMM . I really hope CIG will embrace it .I'd like to have the option to turn the meditation area into an armory for my Banu Warbird model .
As someone who also owns a BMM and wanted to do this… but noe also own an Idris… I can’t wait to see these war blimps try me 😂
I think it makes sense. With all the updates to engineering, all the smaller ships already need a refit, can you imagine having to do that with some of the larger ships
@@adrianbarreto4225 I think they have some large ship specialists at this point, but I was already getting 600i vibes when they were doing the walkthrough - “here’s a big space…we weren’t quite sure what to do with it, so we just kind of left it big and empty and added some stuff at the edges and curves”
I’m fine with them taking a step back and thinking through what they want the Banu aesthetic to be a bit more
It all really did make sense in line with Banu lore and society. These weren't utilitarian vessels cranked out by Drake held together with bubble gum and space tape. These ships were generational ships that would span decades, even hundreds of years of use in a family of traders and nomads. The communal sleeping arrangements and turret temple were part of those sweeping spaces. And no, the Banu did not believe in privacy.
A Spectrum user by the name "Tesseract" wrote a very interesting piece about the differences in communal affairs on a human ship (like a Carrack) and a Banu ship (like a Merchantman). To put it simply, on a human ship, if the Captain finds out that a gunner is being bullied by a janitor, the Captain would demand the janitor meet with him in his private Captain's quarters, and give him a "my way or the highway" speech. If the janitor didn't shape up, they'd get dumped at the next port and a new janitor would be taken on board as crew.
But on a Banu ship, these crew mates are there together as a family, for years on end. You can't just dump the janitor at the next port. They're part of your family, so to speak. And the Essosouli (Banu leader) is not going to just bark orders at the janitor. They're going to bring them to the communal living space (those central seats in the sleeping chamber) and they will sit in a circle and try to figure out WHY the bullying is happening, and what is "off" about the social network on the ship, and fix it. There's no private Essosouli quarters (like on the Carrack) because that isn't how Banu ships are run. Those behind-closed-doors negotiations aren't hidden from the crew, those negotiations and dealings are held in the midst of the "ship family", so that all can participate, and all can know. Back to that point of there not being the same level of privacy on a human ship. Banu privacy really isn't that big of a thing.
You can read more of Tesseract's write-up here: robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/main-turret-space-utilization-on-banu-merchant/5176146
As to a room showing their wealth, I think the idea was more that the ship itself displayed their wealth. That wealth was displayed through that turret temple with all of that extra space that a human designer might say "Oh my gosh, it's all wasted space!" but the Banu don't care. They have space to spare. And the things they have that are trinkets and tchotchkes to show off, they'd be shown off in the bazaar or selling space, because they'd also be ready to trade those things for others if the opportunity arises.
Great video though, look forward to more of your stuff! o7
I read the Tesseract post a while back (or what feels like a while back?), but I thought that was just a fan work rather than one of the lore devs?
@@DawnstealerGaming Yeah, that was a player / non-CIG person writing, but I always thought they were writing based on their understanding of the lore. I never got that far into all the alien lore so I can't be sure, but their writing certainly seemed to match up with those images we got out of the dev team for the various rooms.
My problem with this is no ship in star citizen should be art and lore first. It needs to make sense to have and use long term or no one will keep it/buy it. If 90% of the space is wasted on open areas, I'm definitely going to be ccuing it. Most people will, and we will barely ever see it after the release patch. Maybe that's what they intend. Make it so useless that its rarely seen in the verse.
@@GideonBlackbook Yeah but it has it's uses. 2800+ SCU of cargo space, the merchant bazaar for selling and a mobile marketplace, a hangar for additional ships, supposed to have heavy engines for fast straight-line speed, and some hefty guns up front to defend herself punching through blockades. The rest was just the beautiful window dressing turning this utterly useful ship for cargo, exploration, and trade into what is most likely going to be one of the most gorgeous ships in the entire game. If they can stick the aesthetics they've already worked on, and keep furnishing environments like the sleeping chamber and others, it'll be visually unmatched, with a whole lot of goodness packed inside.
wef would love them
What we really need is a Banu Ironclad. A large ship (but not quite capital-ship sized) that CIG can use to develop a coherent style guide and asset library for Banu ships so that they can more easily tackle massive capital ships like the BMM. Just like how they are using the Ironclad to develop the Kraken.
What a really well thought out and fun video. Thanks!
The merchantman should have, exchangeable, rescueable, and unlockable npcs that have increased commodity trades based on the npc specialists. So for ex. One trader could buy/sell Medical supplies at a increased rate, and can be attached to your merchantmans stores, drawing traders to your merchantman.
These npcs can only be unlocked via missions, rescues, or maybe even after an Organization event happens.
How will they do engineering gameplay, where are the modules located. I am afraid they will have to start over when they pick it up.
They might, honestly. And that might be another reason why they bagged it - realizing that engineering was going to be more than the engine room and that they’d have to figure out how the Banu would handle the various nodes across the ship
So according to CIG they stopped development on the BMM because the 2 specific ship devs that were working on it left the company and not because they lost their lead concept artist, CIG lost at least 4 ship artist I know of to Star Atlas alone whether this is because of pay, burnout or personal reasons I don't know but JC has been very vocal that they need to rotate artists due to burnout because they will lose them otherwise.
JC also stated that they need to bring devs up to speed before throwing them onto the BMM due to its complexity as it can't be kit bashed.
The ship dev that was working on it WAS the lead concept artist. He was the guy guiding the ship through production.
And yes - the issue is that they were trying to get Sq42 out the door, so it was all remaining devs on deck to get all those ships up to snuff, and that meant no wiggle room to rotate people onto the BMM
As one of the eternal members of the banu merchantman owner's club, I remember the excitement back on the forums... now it's just sad. Nothing they could do with the ship now will bring it back to that original concept.
Solid observations, best take ive seen yet on what the BMM should be, and what it isnt last we saw (so to speak), and the difference between reality and the CIG version of the truth we were dispensed, you did well to open up a perspective of where the design had started to deviate and fail and I have no doubt it was a part of the truth of it all. Totally agree CIG should restart direction in a medium and work up the sizes from there, it just makes bloody sense tbh, especially since S3 and S4 ships is where the sales and delivery has neglected the most in the many fomo years.
You should do a collab with starjump and inforunners and astropub, that would be fun.
The Merch is definitely going to benefit from the maturation of the dev teams and the strengthening of manufacture style guides. Also, I think you’re on the right track with starting on smaller ships to solidify styling and architecture.
"has to choose throughout the rooms specialty through the modularity system then its baked in bespoke to that bmm"
this sounds a LOT like the old 300i customization system that so few know about.
On the wasted space thing: Actually, I think it's an interesting idea. As you said, space comes at a premium in ships and Banu are all about showing off wealth. What better way to show off wealth than have large, open and beautiful spaces? Sure, there could be more details, but overall, I do like the approach. It's the exact opposite to the crammed and overly functional spaces of, for example, a C2 or a Corsair.
I simply have a upgrade from ironclad assault to merchantman and when that ironclad assault comes out in-game and is purchasable in-game i will redeem the upgrade.
Bring back the pointed nose, the stupid looking update they came out with made me melt it.
Great video. I hadn't realized it's been (almost) two years since that ISC.
IDK about you but personally the medical room and the bazaar are my favorite parts of the ship aside from the giant VIP room overlooks the cargo bay. I really like the alien goo rest stations and I hope they're here to stay.
each Banu ship except the defender should have room for a defender to pop out from
#whereismyBMM
Looking at the cargo room they are going to have to redesign it. Or back track on manual cargo loading for it because the cargo stacks are way to high.
I think they mentioned in one of the vids that there was a tractor arm at the top of the room that could pull and load boxes
SC could really use player shops, period.
A player based economy is something CIG fortunately wants to stay far far away from.
@captainharlock3998 So what's the point of the player shops on the Merchantman and Kraken Privateer?
@@vik12D For fun, and selling to players some rarer items. hardly something to base an economy on. Besides CIG was clear that you won't be able to make passive income, meaning no NPC making money for you in the shops, so you better have friends in every shop selling your stuff.
@@captainharlock3998 And player shops at player bases? Seems like you're projecting assumptions to fit a narrative you like. That's fine, time will tell.
@@vik12D It's not assumptions. Players shops at players bases will have to be manned by player sellers. CIG was clear there will be no passive income whatsoever.
I love a lot of the points you made. I was at first in the group that was like well they made a lot of progress why didn't they finish. Now I have critically looked at their progress before work halted, a rework of the layout will be needed. For example that top gun. A large retractable cone to cover a turret? why not swap the turret for a small Defender bay that is specialized in housing a couple of them. Next rework the forward hanger and integrate it with the cargo bay & meeting room.
Directly towards your lore suggestions I think Banu prizes their privacy. Otherwise there would not be a private negotiation room. Why would a race that shares public spaces so freely build in such a private room?
re concept redesign after making a smaller ship. The banu defender is crab like, might make the mm manta ray like design with a pop out turret that has duel size 7. Plus some other smaller manned turrets and auto pds. The bazaar with a single deck connected to meeting room overlooking a big cargo/ hanger bay. The mouth of the manta ray design can be the cargo/hanger bay access. Always pictured the Banu being from ocean like worlds and living on islands with beautiful resort beaches and bustling trade centers, maybe have some backwoods swamp areas. I like the art style they chose but it just needs to be revised to make sense.
i hope eventually the rooms get reworked well or at least when we get smaller crafting machines or vehicles so you can actually live on the bmm and travel where you need to for supplies kind of like the intention of the ship and the banu
That’s my dream, at least - my home port will absolutely be my BMM and I don’t plan on leaving it often…provided it lives up to expectations of the last ten years. No pressure, CIG
I would like to know if you believe that the Defender needs to be redesigned because of how much larger the Merchantman feels in size? Everything about the Defender seems human-sized, from the beds and seats.
Maybe not a total rework, but an update?
@@DawnstealerGaming Thanks!
I like this idea a lot. The permanent modularity
Nice insightful video with some really positive suggestions. I agree that there really is no other path to developing the BMM without introducing a smaller ship or they will end up with another Starfarer. Unfortunately, as wonderful a suggestion for the various bespoke configurations, it won't happen because of the resources it would take to create all those options and the players will undoubtedly gravitate to only a handful of them.
Oh totally - there’s zero chance they’d actually do it, but it WOULD been cool
Some day I'll buy a GPU replacement for my 1070, and that will be the day I can fly my LTI Merchantman. The last thing I ever bought before I decided to stop "getting that bag."
Great info and insight! Thank you, I keep wanting to melt mine but it's it was part of my 1st ccu game and it's only worth $245....I think I will just keep my C2, Banu Defender and Hull C and be happy.
It’ll be amazing when it drops. Honestly, I care less about what it looks like and more about what it actually does. But I wouldn’t mind having it, you know, sooner
I think those big size 8 guns are going to be a challenge for them to bring in and then balance. The other thing is the tech for having shops that you can add thing to, have other players buy, and even npc's you hire to work there and those that come in to buy is probably still on the drawing board. Who knows how much they have done of the Banu as far as style and culture and actual in game sizes. Humans are fully done so its easy to make ships that fit them. Banu ships offer an additional challenge of needing to be made to allow both Banu and Humans to use.
The styling is odd for them in some places as well. The one ship we do have is the defender and one odd thing to me is why would these aliens make a ship that looks like a crab from earth? The gun turret on the Merchantman also looks a lot like a Banu defender. It just seems like they have a real handle on some ship manufactures but the other ones don't seem as nailed down. Banu, Origin, and to some extent crusader. Drake and RSI they have nailed down really well and Anvil and Aegis as well.
I like the idea of modularity for these and I am also all for a mid sized Banu ship that would help them create more Banu assets and work on the styling which is only going to help with the big Merchantman.
It will be interesting to see how it turns out. One of the main things I wanted to do in the game way back in the early years was go find and repair ships and ship parts and then sell them. Queue the Banu Merchantman the store to sell and the Crucible the ship to acquire goods for my shop. Who knew it would be over a decade of those things still being on the shelf.
the microphone is too loud to catch the way you inhale air. it's annoying. but the video is great
Very insightful. Well done marking issues and at least trying to offer solutions.
what an amazing video! please more like this!!
It never was in my buy back. Never left my active roster.
Got it for 250 +VAT. 👌
Same - it’s THE ship I want to fly, as long as it takes…but hopefully not TOO long - I was in my 30s when I bought it
You miss out that the crew area is not accessible for customers. They do not have a leader, they decide everything democratically.. that is the thought behind the crew sleeping area..
@@BesteWare soulis do have leaders, at least according to the docs CIG has put out. I know there’s fanfic docs out there, but that isn’t official
I like the two loaners I got for it, so I am fine with the delays.
I have this pledged. I would love to get it sooner than later. But, I am good waiting until they have the game loops complete...well, in our hands to test, before they put the BMM out to us. I hope they stick with the complete alien design. I want it to feel alien when I climb on board. I would like to see a lot more defense turrets. Since it doesn't have the luxury to store more than one large fighter, it really needs to be defendable by the crew. Even if that means 10+ crew to man guns. 4-6 Furys would be helpful in that bay, probably more than one Defender.
Anyway. Great video!! Very much enjoyed. Thank you o7
Yeah, I wouldn’t…totally…mad if it came later rather than sooner. The learn something with every ship they made
I want my own quarters, communal room pissed me off lol I hope it changes
Maybe it kills the server to load it
The way they designed this ship, the Banu are more like a hive species. But, in my opinion, they made huge rooms so that they wouldn't have to spend time designing smaller ships. Not hard to design 10000 cu. Ft. of air. LOL.
Really interesting ideas and thoughts put into this. Nice work and a lot of fun to listen to. I like the idea of a unique module ship. Would feel like the player built it. Plus it would encourage players to buy/trade another in game because of the uniqueness.
I would HOPE it would be similar to what they did with the 300 series when they reworked it. I imagine it would be too much work for one ship, but it WOULD be cool
CIG did release a statement explaining why they halted production. The lead art director working on the project (and others?) quit to work elsewhere.
Mentioned in the vid, yeah
I'm speaking to the part where you said "CIG isn't really talking about why they pulled the Merchantman from production, so we are left with guesses and hearsay."
@@CaptainSnackbeard Yeah, but pretty sure I address that in this vid, too - Paul Jones (the dev who left) was certainly ONE reason why they put it on ice, but there were several devs outside of Paul Jones who were working on this. They just hit a roadblock and figured to put it on ice for a bit - which I'm okay with, honestly, but it would be nice if they picked it up again sometime soon-ish™
Probably they regret to sold that. Although the Banu are peacful towards humans, that's a huge alien ship in a game where Players cannot be aliens.
I didn't realize Paul Jones had left! That guy was awesome!
Soft spoken, but REAL influential on this project, yeah
@@DawnstealerGaming Although I do [with no evidence, only gut feel/sense] see him as a major reason for the initial 600i poor design, and maybe, as you pointed out, the BMM.
I wish they'd gone for grown or living ships for the Banu; either plant or animal.
Would be cool. Maybe that can be the Kr’thak?
Id say this. The BMM is an exceptionally difficult ship to maintain. They start beautiful but look like an Indian city after a few weeks and never get cleaned up. The maintenance would be exceptional because they utilize slaves and to equate that a normal human would be very very hard pressed to keep the ship flying withought a helluva lot of good business. Without systems, quantum economics, to explore the ship is worthless. It would be like flying a pyro station in no time. To caveat ive had this ship the moment i could get it.
I agree with what you say about the 600i. It has some individual rooms that are very successful, like the captain's quarters, but overall, it needs it's rework. The Banu Triptaker would be an awesome ship that already exists in lore!
There will be only skinned ships in SQ42 which will not be flyable for the player. The BMM or Versions of it could be still in the game!
@@BesteWare fair point. And I could see it dropping into one of the later parts, but I think it’s out for part one
I would 100% scrap the shops for more cargo.
Yeah, just as someone that's currently looking at boats that I could live on, all of the used variety, it would make a lot of sense that the highly-specialized Banu would have BMMs that were specifically task-built, and not the more-or-less generalists we're getting
@@DawnstealerGaming I also thought the guest rooms were an odd choice. They never struck me as a hospital species. The price difference between the BMM and privateer has been strange to me also. Are landing pads worth $1000? The BMM is currently in my but backs. The ironclad looks to better suit my needs.
@@Nmyoutube821 I think that's part of it - even internally, it's inconsistent. They have this big, communal room, but they have a space that's almost the same volume that's reserved for a single guest? Doesn't really make sense.
@@DawnstealerGaming I am not completely against the communal living area, but I agree that language needs to be consistent. The invention of privacy is a relatively recent development, largely adopted after the 17th century in European cultures. Perhaps the Banu did not value privacy, which led to communal living areas. Individual rooms would have contradicted their culture if they hosted non-Banu guests who valued privacy. I don't know the year the BMM was constructed or the year of first contact, but if the BMM predates first contact or was constructed shortly after, individual living arrangements would have been a completely alien concept, unlikely to have been incorporated into the ship's design. I understand the need to separate from the 'other' that may have posed a threat to the Banu; however, their living arrangements would likely have mirrored the conditions of the Banu themselves.
Been wondering what the deal was with the BMM they were pushing it for awhile then nothing.
I hope BMM comes with the Perseus so I can farm all the traders
Hahahaa - just get yourself a pira…um “creative procurement specialist” friend who has a Perseus?
The breathing is too much for me
I agree, but i hope he takes it as constructive criticism and not hate, because other than that the vid is great!
Yeah, I had bronchitis when I recorded but wanted to get the vid out before I headed on vacation
I didn't even notice it until I read this post...why would you even say something like this?
Never noticed it until now. That's kinda funny. Now I'm wondering if I do that when I talk
This ship will be great for hard core role players... and that's about it.
This was my first big ship purchase way back in the day, and I mourn its loss to the great feature creep
For me the only interesting thing is, that it is a specific trade ship. But I have to take into calculation, that I do not see anything that does make sense from a trading perspective.
A trading ship needs protection, maybe more than any other non military ship, because it would have not only goods, but maybe also a good amount of money as well. But a trading ship wouldn't waste any space for military sections if there is no need for and on top it wouldn't be just designed for the traders species, but to make feel any kind of customers comfortably and to make its interieur so absolutely incompatible to other species, doesn't make much sense. We would expect at least adaptable interior.
But to mention one more point to the military part: A merchant ship like this wouldn't waste space for impressive military sections as mentioned, because security systems would be more hidden than visible and such a giant weapons room would make it look more of a spy ship than merchant ship. But what we would expect is, impressive weapon systems, that are well implemented without much need of interior space.
If I would think of a communal species, I wouldn't really think of useless common sleeping quarter, but more of special sections, where people with specific tasks live and work together, like the gunners would have a special gunner section where there would be a common living quarter, where there would be weapon stations implemented, so that the guys there would socialice while there is no work, but if needed, they would be at work within seconds and without the need to break into solitary to man the guns far away.
Yeah, maybe a place for them to be communal, but Soulis aren’t exactly families, either - you’d think they’d keep the actual relatives separate from the indentured servants
Still expect the BMM to take another 10 years.
Gg good info. And a strong video
These ships take longer to make than some games!
In some games, these ships would BE the game
Great video, learned a lot about the BMM. I really cant wait to use mine lol hoping for 2027
I really hope before that, but that's probably a really solid guess
@@DawnstealerGamingofc i would want it sooner but if there’s any silver lining to getting it 2027 is that there will likely be npc crew for hire by then so the MM could be ran as a solo player (which is myself)
@@Angry_Key definitely, and I really hope we have working NPC crews by then or something has gone seriously wrong
@@DawnstealerGaming i think npc crews is going to open up the flood gates for people wanting to dive deep into the verse
I like what they showed during the greybox tour, but they really need to rethink the turret tower temple idea. It makes very little sense from a lore standpoint. The Banu who adapt other species tech to have the best of the best on their ships as a show of wealth and power; also design a ship with a giant gapping hole at the top of their ship for people to just float in? Not a fan.
It’s very annoying they got a fair way through the BMM build and stopped due to the team leaving. In fact, they need to understand the importance of wow ships like the 890J and Carrack. They wow external gamers, and give people something to strive for to eventually buy in game as a dream ship. CIG need to focus on delivering the BMM, Odyssey and Liberator asap for that reason imo, and I say that not owning any of them but because stupid “variants” and even more concepts are not how they should be hitting revenue targets.
I’ve said elsewhere I think the Liberator would be an easy win for them. I get it with the BMM, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t feel just a bit like the ship just isn’t a priority for them.
THAT said, I totally understand why the BMM is on ice: it’s huge, it’s complicated, it’s total loop isn’t in the game yet, the style guide for the entire race isn’t nailed down yet - it…makes sense. Doesn’t mean I don’t still want it, though
@@DawnstealerGaming Yes, the BMM I totally get them parking, it should be one of the last ships done because they don’t want to be doing totally reworks like they are going to have to do for the Caterpillar (for example). The Liberator is to me perhaps the easiest ‘quick win’ large ship. They have a tonne of good Anvil assets thank strong design language they can repurpose, and the ship is a mini carrier so a lot of the core functionality are those landing pads. I feel like that’s a very easy one for them to get out and get done.
hot take. the BMM is done but without crafting and player-to-player sales there's no point in it's existence in game
I mean what's the point of my 890J lol
Great video 🎉
Mansesen...? I like it!
I’m down with it
-Mansi :)
Why the merchantman?
Damn you sound like Timothy Olyphant
All this just to say they already got their money and couldn't be bothered.
Good idea, but you would be massively increasing the workload of artists. As you say, no chance
well lkraken is not another BMM bcs its a lot better and with 3x the bmm price
@@Czecher86 point, but bmm is also going to go way up in price once it actually enters development. Again.
I'm not on the "We should class action sue CIG" bandwagon but the whole "selling a promise and then not delivering on it in a person's lifetime" practice with CIG is nearing criminal. Either scrap it, make it happen or refund the backers that pledged for that ship.
Yeah, you’d have to be able to prove damages, and that would be a rough one. At this point, I’m good with it taking a while off what we get in the end is worth the wait. From what we’ve seen with the latest ships? It should be - they are getting really good at it now
The model did look horrible 😂 the concept looked amazing
Model grew on me, especially since a lot of the issues were more to do with angles than the actual geometry
Luke I am your father. Nooooooooooo
Why not the merchantman? Because the primary function of the ship doesn't really exist in game yet. That ship needs a functional economy and a decent set of crafting systems in place otherwise its just larger carrack.
Which I say in the vid, yeah - huge ship, complicated, alien race, gameplay isn’t in yet.
what about the orion, it was the cover of the game until 2021 and no one cares about.
No ship in star citizen should be art and lore first. It needs to make sense to have and use long term or no one will keep it/buy it. If 90% of the space is wasted on open areas, I'm definitely going to be ccuing it. Most people will, and we will barely ever see it after the release patch. Maybe that's what they intend. Make it so useless that its rarely seen in the verse.
I won’t be CCU-ing, but I hope I made the point pretty clear that I expect the space usage in this ship to be good and not a bunch big, open spaces without real purpose. That was the mistake they made on the 600i, so hopefully it was a lesson they learned
The Started with the Defender for that very reason. To develop the style guide for Banu ships.
The merchant man has game mechanics that DONT EXIST.
Until they do, that ship will never see the light of day.
The breathing got too much for me, but great vid otherwise :)
If I may... Your ideas have merit, but there may be a simpler way than making the Merchantman modular. Supposedly the Banu Merchantman ships are ancient. Handed down from one generation to the next, and treasured beyond what humans would consider a ship or vessel. They are the Banu version of home. Each one unique, rare, and the result of many years of collecting objects. So... Why not go back to the original artwork, where the ships fit that description? And leave 6-8 rooms, each different in size, shape, and feel; but empty. Then each owner can outfit these rooms as they wish. CIG need only provide these empty rooms, access to the furniture and interior decor catalogs, so we may decorate these rooms to taste. Face it, the "new" BMM looks like a Pelican's head, more than an alien ship. Gone is the look of an ancient vessel, the "feel" of home, the impressive status symbol, of the original concept; even the majestic up-turned wing-tips. Instead it was given the FAT look of the re-imagined Carrack, and the wide open luxury, and wasted space of the 600i. I'd start over. You are correct. In a ship, space is always at a premium. Open spaces scream "wasted opportunity" not luxury. The BMM currently looks like a different artist designed each part of the ship. It's a mess. Ex: Who would EVER put a huge support beam directly over the main, central seat, on the bridge? looks un-planned. CIG have shown us that they can do MUCH better.
I think it’s also the case that the BMM has obviously grown way beyond the early ideas when they were thinking it would be somewhere between Connie and starfarer sized. I still think they’ll make a ship in the size range you suggest, hopefully in the manner you suggest there because I like that idea, just to get a true Banu style guide and assets rolling
BMM just isn't needed right now in the game. The game content just isn't there for it yet.
another jpeg i paid for smh im dam near done with this game
great video. But a lot of this is a simple lesson that needs to be stated: If you pay CIG for a "concept ship", you're probably a complete fool, unless your only motivation is funding the project.. But 99.9% are buying a concept because they think they'll get a cool ship.
there two size six in the nose of the banu. So 2 on each side a Total of 4
Please stop with your "modularity".. It's a Teletubbies Band-Aid for not completing and assuming the role of each of the ships... your word Unique.. means nothing here if you allow Modulation all the ships... It's simply a blatant lack of desire for Artistic Creativity!
the fact cig cant cope with 2 people leaving shows just how fucking mismanaged this project is. id lose my job if my entire team fell apart due to losing TWO people.
Gugh
Shelve it until the game goes live. I have one, and I'd be happy about that.
I think I want a little time to orient myself on it, but…yeah, if it was the last ship they made, it’d definitely be the coolest ship made to date, but Gdi - I want it before then 😂
Cope