There is no way I am letting Toyota rebuild my engine in the service center at a Toyota dealership. Nope. They need to fix this with a crate engine. Period. If not, they're buying my truck back.
Exactly! And they’d better ship it to Japan to have the chief engineer put the engine in himself, I don’t want just any technician touching my trucks engine!
If the plant didn't remove debris. Would that not effect the 5.7 if it was still being produced on that line. Is the 5.7 a magic motor immune to debris😂
Similarly, the final year of a model run are usually the best examples of that generation. It might be an awful car overall but that last year before the big changes will be the most buttoned up of the awful car.
I wouldn't accept Toyota's solution. You buy a brand new vehicle only to have it completely torn apart by some tech who doesn't really give a crap and is working as fast as possible to make as much money as possible. The chances of this "solution" in some way being detrimental to the quality/life of the vehicle is about 100%. Toyota should be buying these trucks back, or at the very least installing brand new (long block) engines.
Thing is techs aren't trying to make fast amount of money their forced to produce money for the establishment for their ours that's their bread for living the real crook is the dealer and toyota
@loveamerica2828 Hyundai was only paying 5-6 hours book time on the Theta II engine swaps. It's not much of a money maker, and dealerships keep finding creative ways to avoid doing them.
Toyota just issued a Layman term "blanket statement" to the general public, its not some debris metal shavings issue, its an engineering design flaw with the main crank bearings and shaft not machined to correct tolerances, shaft cavitation causes friction which destroyed the bearings.
That and also a design flaw for the main crank caps being a ladder design. If any of that piece of metal stretches under heat then say bye bye to the bearings.
I call BS on machining debris left behind in over 100,000 engines. Maybe machining tolerances but even that is suspect on that number of engines. Where are the quality checks during the manufacturing and assembly of this engine? I put my money on an engineering design issue! If machining debris was the issue you would see damage throughout the internal engine components and turbo chargers that oil is supplied to and that has not been the case!
Apparently this issue has come up. When they put in the main bearing cradle. I blame the cradle. I believe, some how that is throwing the tolerance out of the main bearings...🧐
Yep, me too, how about the second engine they have already put in some and they fail again? wouldn’t you think the second engine will be clean and inspected? Bull, bull, bull.
And they will make it right, no need to gain from this, just get a better paying job and dont rely on Toyota to bail you out, just let them fix the truck man!!
@@bsmith8297 no offense but you sound to me like a democrat, I was complaining about the high prices on everything I mean INFLATION And someone gave me the same answer 🙄in fact that punk went even further and told me not to be stingy and pay whatever groceries or gasoline cost 😡
Happy I purchased a new 2021 Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro employing that bulletproof naturally aspirated 5.7 liter V-8 engine and reliable 6 speed Aisan transmission
got a neighbor up the street from us that did the very same thing, bought one of the last prior gen models before the turbo 6 ones showed up and it will probably last longer than I live...
05 sequoia here with 230,000 miles on it. Runs/looks perfect. Sold my 2005 Tundra with over 300,000 miles on it to someone who took it to Hawaii. Still running perfect years later. The V8 reliability days. Never thought I would see jokes being made about Toyota reliability. Heartbreaking.
Bought a 21 sr5 4 runner since rumors of the new gen would get the 4cyl turbo. People need to acknowledge that some technology is for long time and some is for high hp and torque . The stupid regulations put companies like toyota in the place of having to use turbos . They sell us saying that it will have Better fuel economy. That is not the case . The companies have to stat below a giben number of emmisions or they have fines. That’s the point
Im not a mechanic or engineer. If the same motor is produced on two different continents and the worldwide debris is causing the front bearing in all cases to grenade, it would stand to reason the "debris" would be clogging the same oil passage on each motor. That theory requires several coincidences to line up. Toyota may think people are idiots, maybe some us are. I will require a lot more information on my 23 LX before I'm satisfied. Additionally, Toyota ststes that the recall vehicles end production in November 22. If so, HOW do they know that? I have been driving Toyota for a long time, I bought the LX to drive for the rest of my life, and at 9500 miles so far so good. That does not change the sick feeling I have in my stomach. If they extend the warranty way out, Im in, if not I will sell, take the loss, and NEVER buy anything they make again. I'm not sure they can make this right, but I'll hold until I know one way or the other. Unacceptable in every conceivable way, off your ass on your feet, Toyota.
Don't get your hopes up. This issue has been happening since 2018 ever since its debut in the LS500. Lexus forums has multiple threads on it, and in some cases customers going through 2 and 3 engine replacements in the LS500 before lemon buyback. It's definitely a design defect, it has nothing to do with where it's being assembled.
A critical thinker here. Congrats. Go study the Hyundai Theta II engine debacle. In 2017, when those engines were dying after being in service 6+ years, Hyundai told everyone that "manufacturing debris" was responsible for the engine failures. The reality is that those engines manufactured 2017 and later continued to fail at a high rate. Turns out that the oil passages were poorly designed, along with excessive blowby around the piston rings. There were huge lawsuits, and lots of us got free (remanufactured) engines. This situation is playing out quite similarly.
@@saywhatnow57 The engines are made in Japan for the most part, final assembly takes place in Alabama. Sort of like with the VK56 in the Infiniti M56/QX56, where it came almost in one piece from Japan and the final assembly & installation took place in California.
PLEASE keep making these videos about the Tundra, I’ve been loyal to Toyota, but we as consumers have to know what’s really going on. I really like my 2024 Tundra, but if the engine is going to have reliability issues I’ll just go another direction. This was supposed to be my last truck through retirement, i just want to know if I take care of it if it’s going to last….i paid a lot of hard earned money for this dam thing
The 2024's have the problem too. My friend is a Toyota tech and they are throwing rods too with as little as 2000 miles. The tech friend just traded his for the Nissan. It's got an older reliable engine.
Last summer I bought a 2023 Tundra after issues with an F150. I feel like I jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. I feel somewhat relieved that I bought the extended full coverage warranty.
That`s ridiculous! My old 1970 C10 with a 350cid , 350 auto attains 17.1 mpg hauling hay at 55mph. Old sometimes is better & whole lot less complicated & easier to repair.
I just bought a new truck (Titan XD) after driving all of them and I was the most disappointed with the new Tundras. Man I feel for the owners and dealers, what a mess this is going to be.
Toyota is so screwed. This is actually very huge. 100,000 trucks at 60k a pop is 6billions dollars. They are admitting the new Tundra, almost all of them are dangerous. Not just a door hinge needs replacing... Resale value will be doomed on these trucks. Fire koji now!
Mr Toyoda needs to do what Teddy Waithe did at Gateway computers a few years back. He bought GW back and got brought it back to its original greatness.
Honestly, from the wording, "There is a possibility that certain machining debris may not have been cleared from the engine when it was produced." Keyword is "may." That's conditional, not definite. They don't know exactly what went wrong. Time will have to tell.
If they weren’t ethical there would not be a TSB. The ‘24 are in sale hold, not to be sold until a viable solution is determined. Mind you this is going to take awhile to replace all these motors. I agree with others that Toyota should do a straight engine swap with corrected engines aka like Hyundai is doing.
@@michaeldecker2725 ahem.... they did a tsb to cover their ass with nhsta..... and to avoid covering anything with high miles. What is most egregious is they won't supply a crate engine. If I had one of these, I'd make one call to Toy US and give them 48 hrs to give me a new "truck". After that, I call my attorney.
GM, Toyota , everyone post Covid apparently shortage of vehicles to sale they rushed production and ignored quality control which was what always made Toyota stand apart from everyone else . I have a 23 Chevy in shop far 2nd time far oil leaks they claim they may decide to out a new engine in its this time it’s been in shop far 5 weeks now
@@coreyconner1699 That’s terrible, to pay literally a house load of money and have the most reputable part fail. 5 weeks makes you lemon law eligible under some states lemon laws. I feel for you.
@@firstlast--- Improper torque applied to head bolts, improper torque sequence to head bolts, timing chain installation, , timing chain cover installation, crank pulley installation, the list goes on and on.
@@dustin9967 Every single tech I've worked with that does heavy line work has a digital torque wrench they purchased from the tool truck. Any problem caused by improper torque or mistiming would come back in short order. Nobody wants to do that job a second time for free. I'm not understanding your concerns
The right group of lawyers should be brought in to organize the owners concerns and if necessary take legal action to make everyone affected whole. No dealer engine jobs. That is unacceptable. 🇨🇦
Dealer "engine jobs" are what will happen, the one and only motor job we did in our shop, Toyota said short block, my Journeyman said no way and called the tech hotline explained the failure and they issued a long block immediately
About the long block/short block argument, you show the oil pump inlet screen. If all that stuff is there, it will be in the heads. I don't want to keep that and put it in another block to have it ruined, too.
Wanna hear an interesting thing that happened at the dealership I work at. We had a 2022 Tundra with a spun bearing and metal debris though the entire engine. The Technician said all engine parts that contacted oil need replacing. Makes sense right? Well Toyota said no way you only do the short block. So we did the short block. Engine blew up again shortly after and Toyota said sorry we're not responsible and you have to eat the entire cost, which was around 50k. This was Toyota Canada Btw.
sounds about right. put the responsibility on the Tech who only made 27 hours on the job. the techs paycheck also suffered. this recall should pay 1.5 times warranty
Shoulda had a V8. That engine is so complicated. I like the looks of the truck. But, I knew they made a mistake as soon as I heard this was the direction Toyota was going.
Tech at Hyundai told me to get the 5w30 oil out of the Santa Fe and replace it with Rotella 15w40. Said the 5w30 was used to meet emission reqs. I did what he advised.
The Tundra subreddit has videos of people with 24's knocking I think Toyota knows but only wants to admit 22-23s right now or it would look really bad on them
No way they will replace every engine. They will have some type of inspection, good point on the oil pickup screen, maybe an oil analysis. No signs or symptoms then no repair. Just look how they handled the rusted frames, holes in your frame and they replaced it. No hole, you got a spray job. Consumers need to be pushing for an extended warranty. I still don’t understand how debris are consistently causing the #1 bearing to fail and not other random components. Don’t the turbos have oil inlet screens that would also get clogged?
That’s exactly my thought! They will find a way to say yours is within tolerances, hem & haw long enough for it to be out of warranty. Then the engine replacement will be on you. Just like Acura did me with the 2009 to 2014 TL and MDX 3.7 L oil burners.
@@bsmith8297 Maybe these bearings are failing at much lower levels of contamination than is typical for an engine. So maybe it's debris, with a root cause of poor design.
no you don't. Most nameplates have a 5-6 yr lifespan, 2-3 years should be the max it takes to get everything addressed, either that or increase the lifetime of cars and trucks. Although, to be fair Toyota had a whopping 15 years to get it right. It's just unacceptable
@@engineer_alv agree to disagree I suppose. That's just my personal rule. I like to see at least a solid year of no outstanding issues before pulling the trigger on a model. If that model happens to be the least one in a 5-6 year run that's just fine with me. That's why I bought a 21 Tundra last month instead of getting a brand new one. On your last point, I agree. It's totally unacceptable, especially from toyota. I'm guessing it has something to do with the new president. Maybe not? I'm not a fan of what they've been doing since he got in there, phasing out their time tested reliable powertrains.
I reallllllly want the 1794 edition Tundra, test drove one today. I think I will just take my chances and get one, they have to fix any issues. It is just an awesome truck!!
I am a loyal Toyota buyer and through the years they have always fixed issues and stood behind the products, however I am not happy with how they have handled this issue they SHOULD replace them with a Crate Engine PERIOD! In the past they replaced entire Frames for Tacoma owners with rust issues and for a customer peace of mind they should offer a Crate engine because anytime you have to tear that many working pieces a part there is ALWAYS a high risk it does not get put back correctly or within spec.
@@benredacted8468 They earned my loyalty and until I see a real change in them I will stay that way. In the grand scheme of things and compared to GM and Ford failures this is nothing compared.
@@BobJones-zw3ui They are offering Long Blocks now so they are fixing the mess. I still bet they will last longer than the Big 3 when they get these issues corrected though. We shall see:P
Looks like they were forced to offer a recall. There was a similar issue with the Bronco issue. It’s considered a safety issue if you pull out in front of incoming traffic and your engine goes out. The max was excluded because it has a hybrid system and will still be under power.
Great video, very informative and factual without bias. Thanks for posting and sharing. I bought a 23 Tundra that has a build date of May 23. It is my first Toyota in over 40+ years of driving. I was targeting buying my wife the new Land Cruiser or 4 Runner next year but now I will sit back and wait to see what happens. I've owned GM products my entire life and may go back here. Being an engineer and backyard mechanic, I tend to think this problem is much more than "debris in the engine" and will likely affect all V6's produced over time until they address the true root cause, whatever that might be. I have to agree a short block is an unacceptable solution as there are way too many variables that can go wrong with a field rebuild on an engine of that complexity. I have a little over 11,000 miles and have had several minor issues already with the most concerning being rough idle for a few seconds after starting when the truck sits for a day or two. Until this gets solved, I am hesitant to take the trip on a cross country trip which is disappointing. Time will tell but Toyota, please stand up and come out with more information on the root cause as well as the full scope of affected engines. Also, anything other than a long block would be the end of the line with my new Toyota relationship if this happens to my engine.
@@bsmith8297 Rebuilding the engine from a short block swap is an unacceptable solution. The risk of additional problems are far too many. In addition, if there truly is debris in the engine there will be other damage to parts which will not be replaced. This can very likely lead to long term failures in other areas.
This is the 2nd Toyota engine recall. Back when I worked there, we had piston ring recalls on the 2.4L 4 cylinder from the 2009 era Camry/Rav4/Avalon. Fun times.
How do you feel about the people commenting that there is no way techs can rebuild an engine in a shop and for it to be the same after? If only they knew how many rebuilt 2AZ are on the road today that are still operating.
@@TheYotaChannel it’s a fair point they are making, but it’s still doable to rebuild engines at a regular service center. Since it was just piston rings and not a full rebuild, we didn’t have to wash out the engine or anything like that. We would do 1 engine per work-day, per Tech. So roughly 8 hours from lifting the vehicle up in the air, and then finally running and driving. Next morning check for leaks, issues and put trim pieces back together. Not sure about the process for these new ones though
No, they haven't said much regarding the part number or if the short block will supersede to a new part number. At the time, prior to this recall update, they did tell us they knew what the issue was. So im sure the short block they were sending us and producing went through a thorough cleaning and inspection. Even though at the time they didn't specify to us what changed in the new short block, Toyota knew.
I know the bearing design changed from a resin type coating to all metal,not sure how much tolerances changed. Also some are saying they used a top plate instead of individual bearing caps.Who knows how heat distribution is affecting that design.
I am looking forward to his video on this with an engine strewed all over his garage as he shows us each part and whether is is affected (with the great explanation about what is does).
Oh man what an awful situation. The short block approach is nearly the worst outcome. The only thing worse is not having any recall at all. Everybody knows most mechanics these days are not up for this kind of work. I feel bad for these owners.
Is everyone here incompetent at their job but patriotic and believes in America first? Think about that for a minute. The failures have been happening. The techs at dealers have gotten experience. You have no legal basis for replacement vehicle for the engine recall just like a tree falling on your $68,000 truck and doing $30,000 damage will not get you a new truck. It's not like being a child and your new toy gets crushed and mom runs out and buys a new one to make you quit crying.
Jr great video. Why are the hybrid versions of truck not being recalled only gas models? Aren’t they the same engine block? Or different. I’m assuming one was cleaned better than the other during manufacturing?
Great question, i was wondering the same thing. Im guessing they narrowed it down to a certain manufactured date range and concluded they're all gas models. OR, Toyota is choosing to release these recalls out in phases.
Ugh! 100k or more tear downs and rebuilds! What a nightmare. A few, not related to your shop’s work on this, have not been happy with how things we reassembled, eg, left things untidy, splatters of coolant on the engine space and chipped or damaged body components that were factory painted but damaged during reassembly, ie, sloppy work. Probably gonna take a hit on resale value on known reworked trucks.
Yes no way would I let a service centre rebuild the engine. Canceled my Tundra order not going to take a chance on dealing with that nightmare. Toyota needs to send out complete crate engines and stop screwing around with their customers who pay way to much for these trucks in the first place.
My theory is that it has to do with the cast iron bearing caps embedded in the aluminum ladder casing or the new non resin coated metallic bearings themselves. My theory is that the differential expansion of aluminum vs iron is causing the bearing caps to "move" out of tolerance. It starts with just a little play, but that increases over time (just like a small leak always increases over time). Solution: maybe go back to resin coating? Maybe lose the cast iron caps - stick with 1 material with 1 thermal expansion rate? Thoughts?
I thought the same thing as well regarding the two different metals used for the bearing plate. Regarding the debris i saw in the oil pickup, i couldn't tell if it's from the bearings giving out or what Toyota claims to be machining debris.
You realize this isn't the first time Toyota had something like this right? Every manufacturer has had something like this. And a short block makes a lot more sense than a complete crate engine, a lot less waste.
I don’t believe for a second is debris left in the engine. How about when they have swapped engines already and still failing, was that debris again? I bet it is something else and Saying they left debris in there is as bad, that is one of the worse things you can do to an engine. The quality control is not there. They have lost credibility period.
@@TheYotaChannel thanks for the response. I have a 2023 tundra limited trd pro and I love it. It’s an upgrade from my 2015 Tacoma but I’m worried about any issues might be coming. Hopefully it lives up to Toyota’s reputation of reliability. No issues with my Tacoma.
I dont believe its a "debris" issue either. Toyota has been making engines for some time now and all of a sudden they forgot how to clean a motor after machining what ever. I think the engineers made the main bearings and rod bearings too narrow to save engine space. Yes the motor is 1" shorter or whatever but lost all reliability. If an engine doesnt have a solid bottom end with wide enough bearings to support the load its worthless.
How is it at this stage of engine engineering, AI and a hundred plus years of engine making experience we are reversing progress. We are looking at the best, longest lasting engines from 20+ years ago…? Should we not be able to buy better engines today than 20-30 years ago?
this is a nightmare, do you really think they are going to get this all put together correctly? I don't think so. I took my truck in a couple weeks ago for a simple service and they left off a couple of screws that hold my skid plate.
Looks like I’m holding onto my rav4 diesel for a while longer and yes it’s a 2.2 diesel I’m from the UK not many tundras sold here but definitely worth checking out the engine in case they put it into another model
We can sugar coat the problem any way we want all the Tundras from 2022 to current just lost half of their values. Oh yes, Toyota has been making these turbo engines for long, long time and they know what they're doing. I see how they know what they're doing.
Nothing I have seen or heard would suggest it has anything to do with the turbo systems, rather it’s related to a new motor design or assembly issue for the bottom end.
turbos have nothing to do with the machinists forgetting to clear their trash out of the block/head. Zero connection. This is a manufacturing error (according to toyota)
@@Dragalovci Sorry, I don't see the connection on what looks like a bottom end issue. Totally unrelated systems. Bottom ends on Turbo vehicles in most engineered designs for a Turbo designed motor, which tend to have a stronger or reenforced bottom end to withstand higher effective compression ratios due to cylinder pressure boosting. But, this is commonly done on gas designs and particularly diesel engines.
I’m not convinced that it is debris left over from manufacturing. I have a 2024 and I find that the oil has a strong gas smell to it by the approximate time I am half way through the life of the oil between changes. I wonder if the direct injection system is dumping fuel into the cylinders which causes bearing wash. Couple that with a prolonged oil change interval and you have a recipe for bearing failure. Not sure if I am right or wrong but just sharing my observations and thoughts. I’m changing my oil way sooner now on. Fingers crossed it’s not a Lemon. Plate C
Should make them in Japan, at least you would have workers who take pride in their work….not slobs that are overweight, overpaid, and who don’t care about their job
Why didn't they include the Hybrid? Wasn't its block made in the same place? All they did was add an electronic motor to the back of the engine? Right?
Hey I was wondering the same but how can you say it was debris from machining and not from being ground up metal from a bad bearing component gone bad.
Remedy: make them in Japan, at least you would have workers who take pride in their work….not slobs that are overweight, overpaid, and who don’t care about their job
People always with the crap. You seriously think even if Toyota builds cars in Alabama there's no quality control. As if people anywhere else don't take pride in their work. Give me a break. Yes maybe we should all outsource every job to Japan. Ridiculous
There are many new 2022-2023 full-size Land Cruiser 300s with same engine made in the Tahara factory in Japan, which is the most important and highest quality vehicle for Toyota, also having the same issue. I feel the problem is a design issue, unless all engine blocks are machined by a single supplier for engines assembled in both the US and Japan!
If this issue of spun main bearing was caused by uncleared machining debris leftover from the manufacturing process, then wouldn't all the connecting rods be effected equally? Why aren't all of them cooked? Why would only the front 2 connecting rods be disproportionately under-cooled / under-oiled? How would debris only get in the main bearing and no where else?
You make it a great point. Maybe it's because it's the first to get oil and the first to suffer from lack of oil. And before the other bearings can show signs of damage, the motor locks up.
So, toyota changed my short block on my 22 tundra back in the middle of this past February. DO you think it will last after being put back together by my dealership ? At very least, I will send my oil to Blackstone for analysis, but I am worried and selling the truck means taking a loss...mechanics for toyota out there, I would love to hear opinions ....
I would say use good oil in it and a thicker weight. None of the ow20 crap. Get a catch can installed and change that oil every 3k check it very other fill up.
Currently, there are no qualified mechanics in any dealership. All we have is parts changers. Besides all dealers would have to double their staff and have half of them just rebuilding engines for 40 hours a week, and get paid warranty work which would be $200.00 a week.
It will be interesting to see how everything shakes out. Toyota will survive and prosper. The truck division is taking a hit and will be for some time. They could mitigate the damaged reputation depending on how the remedy this. IT is obvious buyers don't want a short block rebuild.
its insane, the price of Tacoma, Tundra, LX, Land Cruiser and GX were always high because those trucks were so reliable and everyone around the world wanted them. Now its the complete opposite.
Problem is they use defective bearings!! They had the same issue in engines back in 2010… The problem is with the displacement of a small engine, trying to get more horsepower.. Put back the V8 engines. They have no problems with those engines and the government mandates for better fuel economy, which ain’t gonna happen now they raise the standard to 50 miles per gallon which ain’t never gonna happen unless it’s a hybrid/EV garbage…. Toyota needs to get back to basics . People want more affordable vehicles not outrageous prices…
@lapermits6193 most heavy equipment is done routinely (think CAT etc.) About 10 years ago the testing was about 30 dollars when you provided the sample.
@muddywater6856 My toyota dealership said that they would look at my oil when they drain it for the first oil change. They would then take the oil and look for more than normal amounts of metal shavings. They say there should be a little due to initial/normal wear and tear, but not a lot.
Just wondering…. If Tundra owners take out the oil pan and pick up oil tube and clean them thoroughly and adding an extra oil filter on line…would there be any chance of saving the Tundra engine before be replaced? 🤔I’m referring to those vehicles involved in the recall without symptom yet….
I too call complete and total BS on "machining debris" - the problem is it's a twin-turbo 4-main V6 being pushed WAY too hard in a pickup truck application. Its a design flaw, not a manufacturing error. Land Rover can't get that configuration to work without exploding either, for a long time (TDV6). And I bet $100 within the next year or two broken crankshafts are going to start pouring in after these trucks get some age and workouts
Being pushed WAY too hard in a pickup application? Give me a break! Probably 20% of these engines get "worked" in their lifetime let alone in the first 10K miles. I'm not saying it isn't a design flaw of some type, but it's because it's being pushed WAY too hard. Ford has disproved that with the 3.5 Ecoboost ... and yes, it's not perfect, but it's basically worked pretty well.
@@RonRussell-sj1zf The tundra, EMPTY, weighs well over 5,000lbs, up to 5,800lbs from factory. That's heavy enough for the motor. What do you think wheels and tires and bull bars and light bars and 1,000 more pounds worth of kit and junk and *your* fat ass adds to the kerb weight?
U a toyota master tech why don't you tear apart the block and inspect it for debris in the oil passages. So what did you find ? Anybody can see that the discoloration and overheating of the main bearing...but what's your diagnosis?
I did see metal debris in the oil pick-up screen, but at this point, it's hard to say if it was from the bearing failure or machining debris left behind during manufacturing.
@@TheYotaChannel what I want to know is there debris stuck in the hole at the main bearing oil passage . Imo debris was not in the oil pan. If so the pick up screen and filter should have stop it. I am worry that debris was not cleaned out of oil passages leading to main bearing and traveled there and nowhere to go but grinding up the bearing and crank
do people not understand its not EVERY single truck? they arent saying all 100K trucks have this issue, its is going to be a certain amount of them that MAY have the issue. for them to issue the recall though several have already had the issue and they were spread out throughout the production timeline so they are just saying from this year to this year. it sucks, 100% but its not every single truck produced. people are taking it literally that all 100K trucks have the issue and they dont.
The problem is that everybody's truck could be one of the 100k trucks that actually has a problem. Just the possibility of my truck having that problem would make me not trust it and want to get rid of it before I have to deal with it. Most people understand that not every truck will blow an engine, they're just afraid theirs will.
Do YOU not understand that Toyota has NOT assured the public that all the brand new 2024 Tundras and Lexus's CURRENTLY IN STOCK at dealerships across the USA are guaranteed not to have the main bearing failure problem ?
Several people in the Tundra Subreddit and forums have engine failures on 2024s I believe Toyota knows it's affecting all trucks but only want to recall 22-23s because it would look really bad
And I thought the head of engineering said they test these engines for a long time before they put them in these trucks. My Toyota contact said its all the ones manufactured in the Alabama facility .
You’ve got to be joking. There is no way I’d let some dealer “tech” do a short block on my new Truck motor. Replace the whole engine with a crate motor. What a joke.
Is this recall for the 24 Tundra as well? Is the Hybrid type is excluded? This is a great video, thank you. I love the 1794 edition. man, what a truck!!!
Its a flat rate, warranty dealer repair…did you want the tech to wrap em up in a hermetically sealed sandwich bag? Nope! Brake clean that shit down and over torque those head bolts! Good to go.
@@jerrykurl69 Haha, I presume you’re kidding. But honestly, set them face down on shop towels at the very least. It takes 5 seconds to lay some towels out. Brake cleaner doesn’t remove gouges on the machine surface. This is the difference between a clean job and a hack job. These are customers brand new $70k trucks that are being dissected in to hundreds of pieces. At least try to do it right.
@@Banshee365 You gotta resurface the head anyways. Obviously the best way is decking it at a machine shop, this is warranty flat rate, toss that out the window. The service instruction are gonna say clean it up with a plastic scraper, that is laughable, that would take forever to clean the block and head, again flat rate, it’s not happening. I’m assuming it’s gonna get hit with a brown cookie/abrasive disk, then brake cleaned off, that’s what I do and I’ve done a shit ton of head gasket jobs. Not one comeback.
@@jerrykurl69 You don’t have to resurface the head of it checks out flat within spec. These are brand new engines. And flat rare or not, wrong is wrong and right is right. This process is devaluing these vehicles in a HUGE way in my opinion.
@@Banshee365 Yes, checking for flatness is 1st. If it’s off then deck it. Its really not that much to deck a head, just not the flat rate/dealer way. 💯 this is a big hit for Toyota and customers that bought these vehicles. Resale value will plummet.
So if crate engine is solution, would seem like there’s a lot of these used engines on market. Assuming the old engines are discarded, would it be a “deal” to buy one of these and do the work to get the debris remidied?
Reading in comments sentiment seems to be these engines are inherently flawed and the debris is not happening at factoring but rather as a result of internal component post purchase so maybe answered my own question here
they're lying. It's no way it's machining debris. they've been building engines for a long time and they know importance of flushing debris after each step.
Machining debris my back side. Turbos working a little 6 cyl to produce the power of a big V8 and does this engine have an off-setting the crank 10 deg to get a less friction more unbalanced crank? rippin out mains is unheard of nowadays while the rod bearings are holding up just fine. That's my opinion and no one is talking about it.
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There is no way I am letting Toyota rebuild my engine in the service center at a Toyota dealership. Nope. They need to fix this with a crate engine. Period. If not, they're buying my truck back.
Exactly! And they’d better ship it to Japan to have the chief engineer put the engine in himself, I don’t want just any technician touching my trucks engine!
Bet $1000 that crate engine has the same issues
They won’t be buying anything back, lol. If you want that, you’ll be trading it in for pennies on the dollar.
Toyota doesn't send long blocks. They never have.
@@LoneWolfSpartyIt’s time they start.
That's why experts say never purchase a car that has a new engine or significant upgrade before all the bugs are worked out
Fools have to have the newest things.
If the plant didn't remove debris. Would that not effect the 5.7 if it was still being produced on that line. Is the 5.7 a magic motor immune to debris😂
its not a new engine, this engine been around since 2017
@@floggyWM1that’s what I thought too, but clearly it’s better to be safe rather than sorry 🤷🏾♂️ I just hope they fixed the issue with the 2024
Similarly, the final year of a model run are usually the best examples of that generation. It might be an awful car overall but that last year before the big changes will be the most buttoned up of the awful car.
If mine started knocking I would hold my foot on the floor till it explodes, no way would I let them just do a short block
😂😂😂
Lol you'd get another short block as a reward for your hard work. Toyota doesn't do long blocks 😂
just like the good old cash for clunkers days....some fun times
Actually, not a bad idea, traffic was busy... Can't stop, unsafe.
@@solarforfuture Odumba days.
I wouldn't accept Toyota's solution. You buy a brand new vehicle only to have it completely torn apart by some tech who doesn't really give a crap and is working as fast as possible to make as much money as possible. The chances of this "solution" in some way being detrimental to the quality/life of the vehicle is about 100%. Toyota should be buying these trucks back, or at the very least installing brand new (long block) engines.
Thing is techs aren't trying to make fast amount of money their forced to produce money for the establishment for their ours that's their bread for living the real crook is the dealer and toyota
Techs get paid by the hour so they take their sweet time...
@@ssgviper7147 are you a tech how do you know?
@@ssgviper7147 Actually there is whats called warranty time.....and it DOES NOT benefit the technician....so your incorrect
@loveamerica2828 Hyundai was only paying 5-6 hours book time on the Theta II engine swaps. It's not much of a money maker, and dealerships keep finding creative ways to avoid doing them.
"Man, that's wild."
*Starts 2020 Tundra up and drives away.
Feel better? You’re a clown. Time and place tough guy
Facts I can concur, when I start up my 2010 Tundra with no issues with 173,000 miles.
“Man, that’s wild.”
*Starts 2024 Tundra up, clenches butthole tightly, and drives away.
“Man, that’s wild”
Start 1995 Land Cruiser and drives away
" First time? huh?"
starts Land Rover Range Rover and drives away.
2nd generation Tundra just went up in value after this announcement......
This is the very reason why i bought a 21 model this year rather than getting any new generation turndra😢
Glad I have my 19!
@@rjnoj-xb5kq hang on to it forever.
My 02 4.7 just went up in value
All the old tundras are turds 😂😂😂
Toyota just issued a Layman term "blanket statement" to the general public, its not some debris metal shavings issue, its an engineering design flaw with the main crank bearings and shaft not machined to correct tolerances, shaft cavitation causes friction which destroyed the bearings.
I agree, no way that the debris ONLY effects the front main bearing and no other bearing! Debris my ass, it’s a design flaw.
That and also a design flaw for the main crank caps being a ladder design. If any of that piece of metal stretches under heat then say bye bye to the bearings.
Where? Can you please share that.
I call BS on machining debris left behind in over 100,000 engines. Maybe machining tolerances but even that is suspect on that number of engines. Where are the quality checks during the manufacturing and assembly of this engine? I put my money on an engineering design issue! If machining debris was the issue you would see damage throughout the internal engine components and turbo chargers that oil is supplied to and that has not been the case!
Apparently this issue has come up. When they put in the main bearing cradle. I blame the cradle. I believe, some how that is throwing the tolerance out of the main bearings...🧐
It's possible that debris were not cleaned out from milling oil galley or passages with might block oil from getting to certain areas..
@@brycem0the 2018 lexus LS500 that is built in Japan also use the same engine with only 1 case of engine problem .
Me too, I call complete and total bullshit on Toyota's "machining debris" excuse, it's just them trying to avoid class action suits.
Yep, me too, how about the second engine they have already put in some and they fail again? wouldn’t you think the second engine will be clean and inspected? Bull, bull, bull.
My truck cost me 70k OTD
Let’s put a class action law suit against toyota and get our money back.
Sue for what? They have a warranty and they are honoring it. You live in fantasyland
And they will make it right, no need to gain from this, just get a better paying job and dont rely on Toyota to bail you out, just let them fix the truck man!!
@@bsmith8297 no offense but you sound to me like a democrat, I was complaining about the high prices on everything I mean INFLATION And someone gave me the same answer 🙄in fact that punk went even further and told me not to be stingy and pay whatever groceries or gasoline cost 😡
lol ever heard of a warranty? Class action law suit won’t do a thing as Toyota is actively putting the effort in to correcting the issues.
@@bsmith8297 you’re a perfect idiot 😘
Happy I purchased a new 2021 Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro employing that bulletproof naturally aspirated 5.7 liter V-8 engine and reliable 6 speed Aisan transmission
got a neighbor up the street from us that did the very same thing, bought one of the last prior gen models before the turbo 6 ones showed up and it will probably last longer than I live...
05 sequoia here with 230,000 miles on it. Runs/looks perfect. Sold my 2005 Tundra with over 300,000 miles on it to someone who took it to Hawaii. Still running perfect years later. The V8 reliability days. Never thought I would see jokes being made about Toyota reliability. Heartbreaking.
Bought a 21 sr5 4 runner since rumors of the new gen would get the 4cyl turbo. People need to acknowledge that some technology is for long time and some is for high hp and torque . The stupid regulations put companies like toyota in the place of having to use turbos . They sell us saying that it will have Better fuel economy. That is not the case . The companies have to stat below a giben number of emmisions or they have fines. That’s the point
same here, ive got a ram hemi with the 6 speed aisan trams, no twin turbo six for me.
Im not a mechanic or engineer. If the same motor is produced on two different continents and the worldwide debris is causing the front bearing in all cases to grenade, it would stand to reason the "debris" would be clogging the same oil passage on each motor. That theory requires several coincidences to line up. Toyota may think people are idiots, maybe some us are. I will require a lot more information on my 23 LX before I'm satisfied. Additionally, Toyota ststes that the recall vehicles end production in November 22. If so, HOW do they know that? I have been driving Toyota for a long time, I bought the LX to drive for the rest of my life, and at 9500 miles so far so good. That does not change the sick feeling I have in my stomach. If they extend the warranty way out, Im in, if not I will sell, take the loss, and NEVER buy anything they make again. I'm not sure they can make this right, but I'll hold until I know one way or the other. Unacceptable in every conceivable way, off your ass on your feet, Toyota.
What is the better option? Really nothing but junk out there. This may push me to a 6.6 gas Silverado
Don't get your hopes up. This issue has been happening since 2018 ever since its debut in the LS500. Lexus forums has multiple threads on it, and in some cases customers going through 2 and 3 engine replacements in the LS500 before lemon buyback. It's definitely a design defect, it has nothing to do with where it's being assembled.
A critical thinker here. Congrats.
Go study the Hyundai Theta II engine debacle. In 2017, when those engines were dying after being in service 6+ years, Hyundai told everyone that "manufacturing debris" was responsible for the engine failures. The reality is that those engines manufactured 2017 and later continued to fail at a high rate. Turns out that the oil passages were poorly designed, along with excessive blowby around the piston rings. There were huge lawsuits, and lots of us got free (remanufactured) engines. This situation is playing out quite similarly.
LX engines are made in the same factory as the Tundra engines, in the U.S. in Alabama.
@@saywhatnow57 The engines are made in Japan for the most part, final assembly takes place in Alabama. Sort of like with the VK56 in the Infiniti M56/QX56, where it came almost in one piece from Japan and the final assembly & installation took place in California.
PLEASE keep making these videos about the Tundra, I’ve been loyal to Toyota, but we as consumers have to know what’s really going on. I really like my 2024 Tundra, but if the engine is going to have reliability issues I’ll just go another direction. This was supposed to be my last truck through retirement, i just want to know if I take care of it if it’s going to last….i paid a lot of hard earned money for this dam thing
I’m in the same boat! Mine was made 3/24 hope and pray for good results!
The 2024's have the problem too. My friend is a Toyota tech and they are throwing rods too with as little as 2000 miles. The tech friend just traded his for the Nissan. It's got an older reliable engine.
@@VanillaFingerz mine was made the same dates. I have a feeling our trucks are not in the same boat. I think they figured out the problem by then.
Glad I got a 23 GX. The last Toyota truck with a V8, and built in Japan
Take care of this car, it is the last reliable Toyota Tundra.
@@trumpeldorf I'm a Lexus master tech, I'm hoping it takes care of me lol
22 and 23 GX finally got a decent Infotainment system
Last summer I bought a 2023 Tundra after issues with an F150. I feel like I jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. I feel somewhat relieved that I bought the extended full coverage warranty.
😆
Ford has had that 3.5 eco-boost on the market for more than 10 years, and still fighting reliability issues.
@@jonathonsmith7694 Uoy kcuF
Go back old and used. Not one truck anymore I would buy nowadays.
@@gamitaalfonso9999 what are those issues? cam phaser recall? id much rather that then a locked up motor...
Hated my 23 tundra platinum. Doors and windows rattled. Interior was garbage. Rode like hell. Only 17mpg. Sold that pos 6 weeks ago. I feel lucky.
That`s ridiculous! My old 1970 C10 with a 350cid , 350 auto attains 17.1 mpg hauling hay at 55mph. Old sometimes is better & whole lot less complicated & easier to repair.
I just bought a new truck (Titan XD) after driving all of them and I was the most disappointed with the new Tundras. Man I feel for the owners and dealers, what a mess this is going to be.
Toyota is so screwed. This is actually very huge. 100,000 trucks at 60k a pop is 6billions dollars. They are admitting the new Tundra, almost all of them are dangerous. Not just a door hinge needs replacing... Resale value will be doomed on these trucks. Fire koji now!
I am LOVING my 2019 V8 Platinum more and more every damn day!
@@charliegermany9449only suckers and those who don’t research would buy a Tundra right now. Poor saps.
You are so dramatic 😂
resale is amazing, everyone with half a brain knows Toyota will make it right
Mr Toyoda needs to do what Teddy Waithe did at Gateway computers a few years back. He bought GW back and got brought it back to its original greatness.
Honestly, from the wording, "There is a possibility that certain machining debris may not have been cleared from the engine when it was produced." Keyword is "may." That's conditional, not definite. They don't know exactly what went wrong. Time will have to tell.
Therein lies the issue. Who wants to drive a ticking time bomb that “may” explode @ anytime?
@@KevinatorPhase1 Agreed.
Jr.
great update, I love my 2UZFE in my 03 4 runner. I am glad I’m on the sideline just waiting to see what happens.
Strong work bro. 😎
Never thought I'd see the day where Toyota made GM look ethical.
If they weren’t ethical there would not be a TSB. The ‘24 are in sale hold, not to be sold until a viable solution is determined. Mind you this is going to take awhile to replace all these motors. I agree with others that Toyota should do a straight engine swap with corrected engines aka like Hyundai is doing.
@@michaeldecker2725 ahem.... they did a tsb to cover their ass with nhsta..... and to avoid covering anything with high miles. What is most egregious is they won't supply a crate engine. If I had one of these, I'd make one call to Toy US and give them 48 hrs to give me a new "truck". After that, I call my attorney.
@@lexusguy9127 A new truck with the same problem? Really?!!!
GM, Toyota , everyone post Covid apparently shortage of vehicles to sale they rushed production and ignored quality control which was what always made Toyota stand apart from everyone else . I have a 23 Chevy in shop far 2nd time far oil leaks they claim they may decide to out a new engine in its this time it’s been in shop far 5 weeks now
@@coreyconner1699 That’s terrible, to pay literally a house load of money and have the most reputable part fail. 5 weeks makes you lemon law eligible under some states lemon laws. I feel for you.
I'm glad I bought a Ridgeline last month. No turbos, no hybrid, 24-26 mpg avg on the tried and true 3.5 V6 they've been using for 20+ years.
Blame the EPA. Blame the greenies. Blame the people that voted for them. Blame EV's.
😂🤣😅
Hahaha "tried and true V6" .. Just wait till your rear camshaft goes out cause of the stupid VCM issues they've "had for 30 years"
Love that V6.
This is a marketing ploy to cover up the reality that the single main bearing clamp is just a faulty design.
Thank you
You're right, if that was the case EVERY SINGLE TRUCK would need to be recalled. This way only "affected" trucks need it. 100% a scam.
@@371kenny I saw a new video yesterday. All main bearings trashed, not just the front one.
@@ArnoldsDesign wow
Yup exactly!
No way in hell I'm allowing a short block replacement at the dealer level. Too much to go wrong.
Like what?
@@firstlast--- Improper torque applied to head bolts, improper torque sequence to head bolts, timing chain installation, , timing chain cover installation, crank pulley installation, the list goes on and on.
@@dustin9967 You do realize the short block has the crankshaft installed right?
@@firstlast--- yes I left out "pulley" after crank. Edited comment.
@@dustin9967 Every single tech I've worked with that does heavy line work has a digital torque wrench they purchased from the tool truck. Any problem caused by improper torque or mistiming would come back in short order. Nobody wants to do that job a second time for free. I'm not understanding your concerns
The right group of lawyers should be brought in to organize the owners concerns and if necessary take legal action to make everyone affected whole. No dealer engine jobs. That is unacceptable. 🇨🇦
Dealer "engine jobs" are what will happen, the one and only motor job we did in our shop, Toyota said short block, my Journeyman said no way and called the tech hotline explained the failure and they issued a long block immediately
give it a rest, what are warranties for.....jesus!!!!
There are only 98000 of them it will be fine!
About the long block/short block argument, you show the oil pump inlet screen. If all that stuff is there, it will be in the heads. I don't want to keep that and put it in another block to have it ruined, too.
Wanna hear an interesting thing that happened at the dealership I work at. We had a 2022 Tundra with a spun bearing and metal debris though the entire engine. The Technician said all engine parts that contacted oil need replacing. Makes sense right? Well Toyota said no way you only do the short block. So we did the short block. Engine blew up again shortly after and Toyota said sorry we're not responsible and you have to eat the entire cost, which was around 50k. This was Toyota Canada Btw.
sounds about right. put the responsibility on the Tech who only made 27 hours on the job. the techs paycheck also suffered. this recall should pay 1.5 times warranty
And they wonder why the auto industry cant find experienced techs anymore.............
Holy Hell dude.
You have more 'right stuff than I ever had. And I was an AME for 40 years!
Shoulda had a V8. That engine is so complicated. I like the looks of the truck. But, I knew they made a mistake as soon as I heard this was the direction Toyota was going.
Hush boomer, the men are talking
@@jonathonsmith7694 Poor child.
@@jonathonsmith7694your, dumb and only your boyfriend talks to you 😂
They offered a 11 year 150k warranty to me. This was on my 22 back when i bought it, way before any recall. I'm glad i purchased.
Tech at Hyundai told me to get the 5w30 oil out of the Santa Fe and replace it with Rotella 15w40. Said the 5w30 was used to meet emission reqs. I did what he advised.
If they just now figured out the issue, then 24's will be affected
It's a strong possibility.
@@TheYotaChannel damn it
24s are affected too
There’s been a guy or 2 that have had blown engines on their 24’ Tundra’s. Basing off the Tundra forums.
The Tundra subreddit has videos of people with 24's knocking
I think Toyota knows but only wants to admit 22-23s right now or it would look really bad on them
No way they will replace every engine. They will have some type of inspection, good point on the oil pickup screen, maybe an oil analysis. No signs or symptoms then no repair. Just look how they handled the rusted frames, holes in your frame and they replaced it. No hole, you got a spray job. Consumers need to be pushing for an extended warranty. I still don’t understand how debris are consistently causing the #1 bearing to fail and not other random components. Don’t the turbos have oil inlet screens that would also get clogged?
That’s exactly my thought! They will find a way to say yours is within tolerances, hem & haw long enough for it to be out of warranty. Then the engine replacement will be on you. Just like Acura did me with the 2009 to 2014 TL and MDX 3.7 L oil burners.
@davidm.8309 machining debris can be small enough to pass through a screen.
I believe we all know its not debris
@@bsmith8297 Maybe these bearings are failing at much lower levels of contamination than is typical for an engine. So maybe it's debris, with a root cause of poor design.
That whole engine looks like a nightmare.
Remember Hyundai having a "machining debree" issue that took years to cure? LOL! I agree that it is poor engineering on Toyota's part.
This is why you wait about 5 years to buy a new model.
no you don't. Most nameplates have a 5-6 yr lifespan, 2-3 years should be the max it takes to get everything addressed, either that or increase the lifetime of cars and trucks.
Although, to be fair Toyota had a whopping 15 years to get it right. It's just unacceptable
@@engineer_alv agree to disagree I suppose. That's just my personal rule. I like to see at least a solid year of no outstanding issues before pulling the trigger on a model. If that model happens to be the least one in a 5-6 year run that's just fine with me.
That's why I bought a 21 Tundra last month instead of getting a brand new one.
On your last point, I agree. It's totally unacceptable, especially from toyota. I'm guessing it has something to do with the new president. Maybe not? I'm not a fan of what they've been doing since he got in there, phasing out their time tested reliable powertrains.
No this is why you don’t buy a turbo engine
I reallllllly want the 1794 edition Tundra, test drove one today. I think I will just take my chances and get one, they have to fix any issues. It is just an awesome truck!!
I am a loyal Toyota buyer and through the years they have always fixed issues and stood behind the products, however I am not happy with how they have handled this issue they SHOULD replace them with a Crate Engine PERIOD! In the past they replaced entire Frames for Tacoma owners with rust issues and for a customer peace of mind they should offer a Crate engine because anytime you have to tear that many working pieces a part there is ALWAYS a high risk it does not get put back correctly or within spec.
Espousing your loyalty to a corporation in 2024 should be really embarrassing comrade 😂
@@benredacted8468 They earned my loyalty and until I see a real change in them I will stay that way. In the grand scheme of things and compared to GM and Ford failures this is nothing compared.
@@JasPlun you mean you bought your own loyalty. Sheesh people these companies have no idea who you are. Marketing executives wet dream🤣
Agree 💯 - TOYOTA - build temp factories on each coast and repair this MESS‼️‼️
@@BobJones-zw3ui They are offering Long Blocks now so they are fixing the mess. I still bet they will last longer than the Big 3 when they get these issues corrected though. We shall see:P
Thank god I backed out and kept the 18 . Thank you!
Debris damages the same bearing every time? Very suspicious.
This sounds like a mistake that the Koreans would make.
good point
Looks like they were forced to offer a recall. There was a similar issue with the Bronco issue. It’s considered a safety issue if you pull out in front of incoming traffic and your engine goes out. The max was excluded because it has a hybrid system and will still be under power.
Nobody makes anything any good anymore better just keep your old vehicles
Great video, very informative and factual without bias. Thanks for posting and sharing. I bought a 23 Tundra that has a build date of May 23. It is my first Toyota in over 40+ years of driving. I was targeting buying my wife the new Land Cruiser or 4 Runner next year but now I will sit back and wait to see what happens. I've owned GM products my entire life and may go back here. Being an engineer and backyard mechanic, I tend to think this problem is much more than "debris in the engine" and will likely affect all V6's produced over time until they address the true root cause, whatever that might be. I have to agree a short block is an unacceptable solution as there are way too many variables that can go wrong with a field rebuild on an engine of that complexity.
I have a little over 11,000 miles and have had several minor issues already with the most concerning being rough idle for a few seconds after starting when the truck sits for a day or two. Until this gets solved, I am hesitant to take the trip on a cross country trip which is disappointing. Time will tell but Toyota, please stand up and come out with more information on the root cause as well as the full scope of affected engines. Also, anything other than a long block would be the end of the line with my new Toyota relationship if this happens to my engine.
you dont think toyota will stand behind it? What is giving you that idea?
@@bsmith8297 Rebuilding the engine from a short block swap is an unacceptable solution. The risk of additional problems are far too many. In addition, if there truly is debris in the engine there will be other damage to parts which will not be replaced. This can very likely lead to long term failures in other areas.
toyota needs to do this right and give the full assembly. NOTHING LESS.
I agree!
This is the 2nd Toyota engine recall. Back when I worked there, we had piston ring recalls on the 2.4L 4 cylinder from the 2009 era Camry/Rav4/Avalon. Fun times.
How do you feel about the people commenting that there is no way techs can rebuild an engine in a shop and for it to be the same after? If only they knew how many rebuilt 2AZ are on the road today that are still operating.
@@TheYotaChannel it’s a fair point they are making, but it’s still doable to rebuild engines at a regular service center. Since it was just piston rings and not a full rebuild, we didn’t have to wash out the engine or anything like that. We would do 1 engine per work-day, per Tech. So roughly 8 hours from lifting the vehicle up in the air, and then finally running and driving. Next morning check for leaks, issues and put trim pieces back together. Not sure about the process for these new ones though
*Please answer me straight: Did Toyota spec a NEW PART-NUMBER for the short-block? or is it the same part as the original?*
No, they haven't said much regarding the part number or if the short block will supersede to a new part number. At the time, prior to this recall update, they did tell us they knew what the issue was. So im sure the short block they were sending us and producing went through a thorough cleaning and inspection. Even though at the time they didn't specify to us what changed in the new short block, Toyota knew.
I can only answer you crooked so I will not answer you at all sir.🤪
@@user-kq7gi7eh1s my opinion it is design flaw. Not contamination
@@TheYotaChannelremember me saying something about the engineering testing stuff awhile ago? This is related to that 🫣
I know the bearing design changed from a resin type coating to all metal,not sure how much tolerances changed.
Also some are saying they used a top plate instead of individual bearing caps.Who knows how heat distribution is affecting that design.
Just another reason to keep my 2013 Tundra, with 220k and no issues at all!
There’s only one person I would want working on my Engine and his name is AMD from the Car Care Nut channel
I can't argue with that. He is a Toyota Master Diagnostic tech, very knowledgeable.
I am looking forward to his video on this with an engine strewed all over his garage as he shows us each part and whether is is affected (with the great explanation about what is does).
Yes, that guy is the best and honest mechanic 👌 on YT.
he bought one too lol
Unfortunately i believe the days of toyota being the best is over
Oh man what an awful situation. The short block approach is nearly the worst outcome. The only thing worse is not having any recall at all. Everybody knows most mechanics these days are not up for this kind of work. I feel bad for these owners.
Is everyone here incompetent at their job but patriotic and believes in America first? Think about that for a minute. The failures have been happening. The techs at dealers have gotten experience. You have no legal basis for replacement vehicle for the engine recall just like a tree falling on your $68,000 truck and doing $30,000 damage will not get you a new truck. It's not like being a child and your new toy gets crushed and mom runs out and buys a new one to make you quit crying.
I have 5 journeymen that can do this job in their sleep
Jr great video. Why are the hybrid versions of truck not being recalled only gas models? Aren’t they the same engine block? Or different. I’m assuming one was cleaned better than the other during manufacturing?
Great question, i was wondering the same thing. Im guessing they narrowed it down to a certain manufactured date range and concluded they're all gas models. OR, Toyota is choosing to release these recalls out in phases.
For now, that's all the information we have. So all we can do is take their word.
do you think the turbo charger bearings could be damaged?
Ugh! 100k or more tear downs and rebuilds! What a nightmare. A few, not related to your shop’s work on this, have not been happy with how things we reassembled, eg, left things untidy, splatters of coolant on the engine space and chipped or damaged body components that were factory painted but damaged during reassembly, ie, sloppy work. Probably gonna take a hit on resale value on known reworked trucks.
Are the same Toyota with the same engines in Australia, but made in Japan, have the same issue?. If yes, it is then a design issue. 🤔🤔🤔
Yup. It has been happening since 2018. The only vehicles with this engine are the LS500, LX600, Land Cruiser, GX550, Tundra & Sequoia.
@@philhenderson3516 2017 if you want to get technical, and yes they been having problems with this engine since they released it in 2017
@@floggyWM1 On the LS? Really? Can you share more details cause I never heard of it till recently with the Tundra/LX.
Thanks dude. Keep us updated.
Yes no way would I let a service centre rebuild the engine. Canceled my Tundra order not going to take a chance on dealing with that nightmare. Toyota needs to send out complete crate engines and stop screwing around with their customers who pay way to much for these trucks in the first place.
My theory is that it has to do with the cast iron bearing caps embedded in the aluminum ladder casing or the new non resin coated metallic bearings themselves. My theory is that the differential expansion of aluminum vs iron is causing the bearing caps to "move" out of tolerance. It starts with just a little play, but that increases over time (just like a small leak always increases over time). Solution: maybe go back to resin coating? Maybe lose the cast iron caps - stick with 1 material with 1 thermal expansion rate? Thoughts?
I thought the same thing as well regarding the two different metals used for the bearing plate. Regarding the debris i saw in the oil pickup, i couldn't tell if it's from the bearings giving out or what Toyota claims to be machining debris.
Matching debris would be sharp and curly.
I don’t think anyone who paid over $60,000 for a new truck wants a motor pieced together by the scammers at the dealership.
The Toyota BRAND will never recover from this MESS!
You realize this isn't the first time Toyota had something like this right? Every manufacturer has had something like this.
And a short block makes a lot more sense than a complete crate engine, a lot less waste.
If Toyota would replace the engine, can I ask for a V8 instead?🎉
Just throw the v8 from rcf and i will buy gx550
I would demand a crate engine. If it is small metal, it is all over the engine and impossible to totally remove.
I don’t believe for a second is debris left in the engine. How about when they have swapped engines already and still failing, was that debris again?
I bet it is something else and Saying they left debris in there is as bad, that is one of the worse things you can do to an engine. The quality control is not there.
They have lost credibility period.
Do you see the same issues with the hybrid engine? It was not part of the recall.
I have not seen a Hybrid one in the shop yet.
@@TheYotaChannel thanks for the response. I have a 2023 tundra limited trd pro and I love it. It’s an upgrade from my 2015 Tacoma but I’m worried about any issues might be coming. Hopefully it lives up to Toyota’s reputation of reliability. No issues with my Tacoma.
I dont believe its a "debris" issue either. Toyota has been making engines for some time now and all of a sudden they forgot how to clean a motor after machining what ever. I think the engineers made the main bearings and rod bearings too narrow to save engine space. Yes the motor is 1" shorter or whatever but lost all reliability. If an engine doesnt have a solid bottom end with wide enough bearings to support the load its worthless.
Have to tend to agree.
its not debris
Makes sense!
I think Toyota should just deal with it on a case by case basis. if it fails they take care of it. No questions asked .
thats exactly what they will do
Let's be clear isn't the hybrid version using the same exact engine? Why aren't they being included?
Hybrid models are assembled in Japan😊
@@timleng4404 proof?
@@timleng4404 no way!!! Lol
They will be. The hybrid has less stress on the gas engine. Just give it time.
@@timleng4404maybe the big magnets on the electric motor in the hybrid sucked out all the debris. Lol.
How is it at this stage of engine engineering, AI and a hundred plus years of engine making experience we are reversing progress.
We are looking at the best, longest lasting engines from 20+ years ago…? Should we not be able to buy better engines today than 20-30 years ago?
this is a nightmare, do you really think they are going to get this all put together correctly? I don't think so. I took my truck in a couple weeks ago for a simple service and they left off a couple of screws that hold my skid plate.
Say they send a short block. What is the cleaning process for everything else that oil comes in contact with?
I gotta ask are the Hybrid motors affected to? I have a 24 IForce max hopefully mine will be ok.
Hey, we haven't heard anything regarding the Hybrid models. Only 22-23 gas engines from a specific date range.
@@TheYotaChannel Thanks.
Looks like I’m holding onto my rav4 diesel for a while longer and yes it’s a 2.2 diesel I’m from the UK not many tundras sold here but definitely worth checking out the engine in case they put it into another model
We can sugar coat the problem any way we want all the Tundras from 2022 to current just lost half of their values. Oh yes, Toyota has been making these turbo engines for long, long time and they know what they're doing. I see how they know what they're doing.
Nothing I have seen or heard would suggest it has anything to do with the turbo systems, rather it’s related to a new motor design or assembly issue for the bottom end.
turbos have nothing to do with the machinists forgetting to clear their trash out of the block/head. Zero connection. This is a manufacturing error (according to toyota)
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Of course the turbos have something to do with this problem they make everything more complicated including machining.
Turbos need more oil flow! And they want you to change your even longer then 5k! Crazy talk
@@Dragalovci Sorry, I don't see the connection on what looks like a bottom end issue. Totally unrelated systems. Bottom ends on Turbo vehicles in most engineered designs for a Turbo designed motor, which tend to have a stronger or reenforced bottom end to withstand higher effective compression ratios due to cylinder pressure boosting. But, this is commonly done on gas designs and particularly diesel engines.
I’m not convinced that it is debris left over from manufacturing. I have a 2024 and I find that the oil has a strong gas smell to it by the approximate time I am half way through the life of the oil between changes.
I wonder if the direct injection system is dumping fuel into the cylinders which causes bearing wash. Couple that with a prolonged oil change interval and you have a recipe for bearing failure.
Not sure if I am right or wrong but just sharing my observations and thoughts.
I’m changing my oil way sooner now on.
Fingers crossed it’s not a Lemon.
Plate C
How you gonna leave trash in the engine. Massive L's for Toyota
Should make them in Japan, at least you would have workers who take pride in their work….not slobs that are overweight, overpaid, and who don’t care about their job
@@Wellh0wryathis issue has affected Japanese made Lexus gx 550.
My 2001 Ford ranger is doing just fine.... If anyone was wondering?
@@richardoaks3597and lx 600, LC 300
Hard to believe this would go unnoticed, for so long, and not get fixed right away.
Why didn't they include the Hybrid? Wasn't its block made in the same place? All they did was add an electronic motor to the back of the engine? Right?
Are you seeing debris in the oil pickup screen on the engines that failed?
Yes, at 2:13 in the video, i showed the oil pick-up screen and the debris that was found inside.
Hey I was wondering the same but how can you say it was debris from machining and not from being ground up metal from a bad bearing component gone bad.
@@josephpuchel6497 Or could be both!
Imagine you already put 100,000 miles on your truck and you hear that you’re gonna get a new engine what a win-win.
That's true. I've never thought of it like that before.
Remedy: make them in Japan, at least you would have workers who take pride in their work….not slobs that are overweight, overpaid, and who don’t care about their job
The lexus made in japan has also had the same failures.
People always with the crap. You seriously think even if Toyota builds cars in Alabama there's no quality control. As if people anywhere else don't take pride in their work. Give me a break. Yes maybe we should all outsource every job to Japan. Ridiculous
There are many new 2022-2023 full-size Land Cruiser 300s with same engine made in the Tahara factory in Japan, which is the most important and highest quality vehicle for Toyota, also having the same issue. I feel the problem is a design issue, unless all engine blocks are machined by a single supplier for engines assembled in both the US and Japan!
My 5.7, made in the USA strong and long. Enough with the stupidity, this is a process issue found in Japan and the USA.
Let's outsource u to Japan
If this issue of spun main bearing was caused by uncleared machining debris leftover from the manufacturing process, then wouldn't all the connecting rods be effected equally? Why aren't all of them cooked? Why would only the front 2 connecting rods be disproportionately under-cooled / under-oiled? How would debris only get in the main bearing and no where else?
You make it a great point. Maybe it's because it's the first to get oil and the first to suffer from lack of oil. And before the other bearings can show signs of damage, the motor locks up.
exactly!!
So, toyota changed my short block on my 22 tundra back in the middle of this past February. DO you think it will last after being put back together by my dealership ? At very least, I will send my oil to Blackstone for analysis, but I am worried and selling the truck means taking a loss...mechanics for toyota out there, I would love to hear opinions ....
I would say use good oil in it and a thicker weight. None of the ow20 crap. Get a catch can installed and change that oil every 3k check it very other fill up.
this is ajoke i would never let u or anyone rebuild my new engine ... have a good day
The 2024 Tacoma transmission recall incoming.
Currently, there are no qualified mechanics in any dealership. All we have is parts changers. Besides all dealers would have to double their staff and have half of them just rebuilding engines for 40 hours a week, and get paid warranty work which would be $200.00 a week.
Does anyone really believe that in modern times and building millions upon millions of engines that "debri" is all of a sudden a problem?
I just finished doing a short block on a 23 HYBRID It was a lot of work. The transaxle has to come out and inverter as well.
Interesting to cut open the oil filter on un-failed engines to see if metal is present. This is a huge cock-up by Toyota.
It will be interesting to see how everything shakes out. Toyota will survive and prosper. The truck division is taking a hit and will be for some time. They could mitigate the damaged reputation depending on how the remedy this. IT is obvious buyers don't want a short block rebuild.
its insane, the price of Tacoma, Tundra, LX, Land Cruiser and GX were always high because those trucks were so reliable and everyone around the world wanted them. Now its the complete opposite.
Problem is they use defective bearings!! They had the same issue in engines back in 2010… The problem is with the displacement of a small engine, trying to get more horsepower.. Put back the V8 engines. They have no problems with those engines and the government mandates for better fuel economy, which ain’t gonna happen now they raise the standard to 50 miles per gallon which ain’t never gonna happen unless it’s a hybrid/EV garbage…. Toyota needs to get back to basics . People want more affordable vehicles not outrageous prices…
Good explanation. Time to send my oil in for analysis.
great idea
How do you do that? I called Valvoline Oil, and they said they don't do that.
@lapermits6193 most heavy equipment is done routinely (think CAT etc.)
About 10 years ago the testing was about 30 dollars when you provided the sample.
@muddywater6856 My toyota dealership said that they would look at my oil when they drain it for the first oil change. They would then take the oil and look for more than normal amounts of metal shavings. They say there should be a little due to initial/normal wear and tear, but not a lot.
@@lapermits6193 reports I have read identify the type of metals also. (i.e. bearing material).
This looks like a COROLLA engine.. fuck that spending 60 to 80k and going through this...
LoL corollas are super reliable though
what model do you have?
Toyota needs to replace these engines or it will severely damage their reputation.
Dealers are Not engine builders! No way I would allow this on my Toyota!
Just wondering…. If Tundra owners take out the oil pan and pick up oil tube and clean them thoroughly and adding an extra oil filter on line…would there be any chance of saving the Tundra engine before be replaced? 🤔I’m referring to those vehicles involved in the recall without symptom yet….
no because its a design issue, this being going on since they released this engine on LS500 in 2017
I too call complete and total BS on "machining debris" - the problem is it's a twin-turbo 4-main V6 being pushed WAY too hard in a pickup truck application. Its a design flaw, not a manufacturing error. Land Rover can't get that configuration to work without exploding either, for a long time (TDV6). And I bet $100 within the next year or two broken crankshafts are going to start pouring in after these trucks get some age and workouts
Being pushed WAY too hard in a pickup application? Give me a break! Probably 20% of these engines get "worked" in their lifetime let alone in the first 10K miles. I'm not saying it isn't a design flaw of some type, but it's because it's being pushed WAY too hard. Ford has disproved that with the 3.5 Ecoboost ... and yes, it's not perfect, but it's basically worked pretty well.
@@RonRussell-sj1zf The tundra, EMPTY, weighs well over 5,000lbs, up to 5,800lbs from factory. That's heavy enough for the motor. What do you think wheels and tires and bull bars and light bars and 1,000 more pounds worth of kit and junk and *your* fat ass adds to the kerb weight?
Get ready to lose $100
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U a toyota master tech why don't you tear apart the block and inspect it for debris in the oil passages. So what did you find ? Anybody can see that the discoloration and overheating of the main bearing...but what's your diagnosis?
I did see metal debris in the oil pick-up screen, but at this point, it's hard to say if it was from the bearing failure or machining debris left behind during manufacturing.
@@TheYotaChannel what I want to know is there debris stuck in the hole at the main bearing oil passage . Imo debris was not in the oil pan. If so the pick up screen and filter should have stop it. I am worry that debris was not cleaned out of oil passages leading to main bearing and traveled there and nowhere to go but grinding up the bearing and crank
do people not understand its not EVERY single truck? they arent saying all 100K trucks have this issue, its is going to be a certain amount of them that MAY have the issue. for them to issue the recall though several have already had the issue and they were spread out throughout the production timeline so they are just saying from this year to this year. it sucks, 100% but its not every single truck produced. people are taking it literally that all 100K trucks have the issue and they dont.
The problem is that everybody's truck could be one of the 100k trucks that actually has a problem. Just the possibility of my truck having that problem would make me not trust it and want to get rid of it before I have to deal with it. Most people understand that not every truck will blow an engine, they're just afraid theirs will.
Do YOU not understand that Toyota has NOT assured the public that all the brand new 2024 Tundras and Lexus's CURRENTLY IN STOCK at dealerships across the USA are guaranteed not to have the main bearing failure problem ?
Several people in the Tundra Subreddit and forums have engine failures on 2024s
I believe Toyota knows it's affecting all trucks but only want to recall 22-23s because it would look really bad
The thin oil they use doesn’t provide adequate lubrication once it gets hot.
And I thought the head of engineering said they test these engines for a long time before they put them in these trucks. My Toyota contact said its all the ones manufactured in the Alabama facility .
You’ve got to be joking. There is no way I’d let some dealer “tech” do a short block on my new Truck motor. Replace the whole engine with a crate motor. What a joke.
Toyota doesn't sell crates. Not sure why your panties are in a bunch, replacing a short block is easy. Way easier than pulling the engine
what did they tell you they were going to do with yours?
Is this recall for the 24 Tundra as well? Is the Hybrid type is excluded? This is a great video, thank you. I love the 1794 edition. man, what a truck!!!
They haven't included the 24's yet or the Hybrid models, im not sure if they are releasing it in phases.
Seeing those heads laying on a bare table machine surface down makes my hairs stand up.
Its a flat rate, warranty dealer repair…did you want the tech to wrap em up in a hermetically sealed sandwich bag? Nope! Brake clean that shit down and over torque those head bolts! Good to go.
@@jerrykurl69 Haha, I presume you’re kidding. But honestly, set them face down on shop towels at the very least. It takes 5 seconds to lay some towels out. Brake cleaner doesn’t remove gouges on the machine surface. This is the difference between a clean job and a hack job. These are customers brand new $70k trucks that are being dissected in to hundreds of pieces. At least try to do it right.
@@Banshee365 You gotta resurface the head anyways. Obviously the best way is decking it at a machine shop, this is warranty flat rate, toss that out the window. The service instruction are gonna say clean it up with a plastic scraper, that is laughable, that would take forever to clean the block and head, again flat rate, it’s not happening. I’m assuming it’s gonna get hit with a brown cookie/abrasive disk, then brake cleaned off, that’s what I do and I’ve done a shit ton of head gasket jobs. Not one comeback.
@@jerrykurl69 You don’t have to resurface the head of it checks out flat within spec. These are brand new engines. And flat rare or not, wrong is wrong and right is right. This process is devaluing these vehicles in a HUGE way in my opinion.
@@Banshee365 Yes, checking for flatness is 1st. If it’s off then deck it. Its really not that much to deck a head, just not the flat rate/dealer way. 💯 this is a big hit for Toyota and customers that bought these vehicles. Resale value will plummet.
So if crate engine is solution, would seem like there’s a lot of these used engines on market.
Assuming the old engines are discarded, would it be a “deal” to buy one of these and do the work to get the debris remidied?
Reading in comments sentiment seems to be these engines are inherently flawed and the debris is not happening at factoring but rather as a result of internal component post purchase so maybe answered my own question here
they're lying. It's no way it's machining debris. they've been building engines for a long time and they know importance of flushing debris after each step.
Agree. Something else's is going on... Toyota has lost their way
Machining debris my back side. Turbos working a little 6 cyl to produce the power of a big V8 and does this engine have an off-setting the crank 10 deg to get a less friction more unbalanced crank? rippin out mains is unheard of nowadays while the rod bearings are holding up just fine. That's my opinion and no one is talking about it.
Toyota doesn’t know how to build a truck. They were not serious when they built the new Tundra. What a shame