Love these nostalgia trips. 80s and the very early 90s - great days and the end of the real era of football. The Peoples game about to transition into the Corporates Game.
One factor was the fact that he was badly effected from Heysel and Hillsborough the former 3 times he won the League as a manager the 1986 double team, the 1988 record breakers and the 1990 title side due to the ban on English clubs in Europe he was denied the opportunity to test those 3 sides in the European Cup and not only win Liverpool a 5th European Cup but become the first man to win the European Cup as a player and a manager. But Hillsborough hit him the hardest
As a Liverpool fan at the time I was heartbroken Kenny resigned after everything he went through especially with Hillsborough I completely understood why did resigned when he did.
I think dalglish could see that Liverpool needed a team overhaul because he could see that that squad was coming to an end of challenging for titles but he probably didn’t have the energy to do it. He might have just needed a change of scenery as well
Hi again. 😊👍🏻 I agree to a certain degree, but I don't think the team needed a complete overhaul... some slight changes but nothing drastic. Rush wasn't the potent force he was, needed a striker like Fowler alongside him to take on the pace - but came a little too late. If you watch the highlights of the matches between Arsenal and Liverpool, despite being 3-0 and 1-0 to Arsenal, the 3-0 flattered Arsenal and the 1-0 loss was a bit of a steal by Arsenal. There wasn't much between Arsenal and Liverpool. Man Utd, as you know were sneaking up though... 😊👍🏻
@@thelstanedwardsson4374 hello again!! You’re right about Arsenal against Liverpool that season. Liverpool’s problem that season was defensive. Plus too many injuries. The loss of Hansen affected them more than they thought it would. Hysen wasn’t anywhere near as good.
And just a few months later he was manager of newly minted Blackburn Rovers. The pressure story never added up with me. More like he fell out with the club over funding the rebuild of what was an ageing squad. United were also beginning to look like future title contenders and Kenny knew that he would require big money to meet Ferguson head on. Played his cards very well did Kenny.
Read Stephen Kelly’s book nothing to do with a fall out the stress got to him with rashes on his body and blotches on his back,that’s why he quit to save his health.
Great stuff thanks for the upload if you can upload more that would be amazing. Both were great footballers and made a great team here. Does anyone know how many programmes they made ? There should be a Saint and Greavsie channel !
We finished 6th in 1990/91. One place below city!! Mind you we won the cup winners cup and reached the league cup final so it wasn’t too bad a season!!! I think Spurs were concentrating on the FA cup by that time.
If it was me, I would have chosen Phil Thompson as manager with Roy Evans and Ronnie Moran as his assistants. All 3 were Liverpool through and through and were from the inside. On the other hand, Souness had spent the past few years in Italy and Scotland therefore had no idea of what worked best at Anfield. Despite winning the FA Cup which he never did as a player, he made some average to poor signings (his best was Rob Jones although David James wasn't bad) and didn't make an effort to boost their midfield and defence which were sadly lacking. They needed a Gary McAllister and a Roy Keane plus a defender of the Des Walker/John Terry type then they would have definitely mounted a title challenge against Man Utd.
No. They were jaded and United had the desire. They're set up now for another period of success at Anfield, but back then there was a lot to rebuild and the youth wasn't coming through. (Mcmanaman and Fowler excluded)
Say that to the families of the 97 whose funerals he went to, whose time he willingly gave and for whom no effort was spared, whilst at the same time managing one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Souness didn't ruin us we were in decline mate,the ban& tragedy in Hillsborough plus not changing players after their peak all took us down sad to see Kenny look so burned out😔
@@ciansheridan7689 The club was in temporary decline when Dalglish resigned in 1991. As Brian Moore said on TV, Liverpool were still joint top with Arsenal. They still had a great squad. There was no need to rush changes, it should have been done gradually with someone with a wise mature head. 37 year old Souness came in and sold Beardsley, Staunton, Ablett, Gillespie, McMahon all within three months. Then Houghton left a year later ( I assume Houghton wanted to get out). Thirty years on, I am still scratching my head why he sold Staunton who was a good utility player. Beardsley exit was a ridiculous decision. Then to make matters worse he purchased Dean Saunders, Mark Walters, Julian Dicks, Paul Stewart, Nigel Clough, all players who were not of Liverpool title winning standard. Not only that, he brought in Mark Wright, and made him immediate captain over Ronnie Whelan who was there since 1979 and was vice captain behind Hansen. And it is well documented, Souness organised the contracts and payed the new players more wages than the players already there who won championships!! Souness was also forced to bring through McManaman, Renapp, Fowler, Hutchison, Tanner, Jones, Marsh. Marsh, Tanner and Hutchsion were not good enough. Only Mcmanaman and Rob Jones was ready phsyically and mentally to play every week. Souness did buy David James. David was very talented but unfortunately was as wacky as Bruce Grobbelaar! I was at a few matches where David made ludicrous errors. Souness also contrived to fall out with all of the remaining senior players so team spirit was shot to pieces. Souness actually put Ronnie Whelan on the transfer list in 1993 on Ronnie's birthday! Michael Thomas and Mark Wright were his better signings but both got injured a lot while he was there. Roy Evans got the best of them in the mid 1990s. Neil Ruddock? Jury is out on him whether he was any good. Michael Thomas did an interview recently where he said he thought he was coming in to learn the Liverpool way off McMahon and Whelan, next minute McMahon was gone! When Souness finally resigned in January 1994, everyone was delighted to get rid of him. Souness was too young, the job was too big for him. Final analysis? Souness ruined the club!!
I think injuries and Hansen retiring was a big factor in Liverpool not winning the league in 1990/91. After that the players got older and left and weren’t replaced with players of similar quality as you said.
@@mrkipling2201 Think he could have had Kenny as a mentor who favoured Jockey,just as Bob paisley had mentored Kenny.I agree that souness made some awful mistakes but I hate that some supporters still blame everything on him as he was a fantastic captain.YNWA
When the times were simpler and Sky wasn't there to commercialise everything..every joy. Happy reunion with your old pal, Greavsie 😥
World class sports presenters. So much better than anyone on today’s tv.
Love these nostalgia trips. 80s and the very early 90s - great days and the end of the real era of football. The Peoples game about to transition into the Corporates Game.
Totally agree. End of an era feel about football at this time. Especially 1991/92 season.
@@mrkipling2201 👍🙁
Incredible how much Dalglish achieved before reaching 40
Exactly. Now it’s scary what Pep has already achieved at City and he’s only just over 50!!!
One factor was the fact that he was badly effected from Heysel and Hillsborough the former 3 times he won the League as a manager the 1986 double team, the 1988 record breakers and the 1990 title side due to the ban on English clubs in Europe he was denied the opportunity to test those 3 sides in the European Cup and not only win Liverpool a 5th European Cup but become the first man to win the European Cup as a player and a manager. But Hillsborough hit him the hardest
Saint & Greavsie Bring back 2 Many Good Great Memories for Me
King Kenny will be fine. It wouldn’t surprise me if he went on to win the league with another team.
Yeah he didn’t do too bad did he?? Joined a mid table 2nd division team I think??
Great memories of a show I loved watching.
Great upload, thanks for posting. Just one small correction, this show was from February 23rd, not March.
As a Liverpool fan at the time I was heartbroken Kenny resigned after everything he went through especially with Hillsborough I completely understood why did resigned when he did.
The subtle "Emlyn Hughes is gay" jokes/remarks on these episodes are quite something...
Great memories!! When football was football and not run by sky sports !!!
Roy Evans should have came in at this point.
Love how Ronnie Moran clearly mouths " f*ck off" to Kenny! That would be pixilated these days.
I think dalglish could see that Liverpool needed a team overhaul because he could see that that squad was coming to an end of challenging for titles but he probably didn’t have the energy to do it. He might have just needed a change of scenery as well
Hi again. 😊👍🏻 I agree to a certain degree, but I don't think the team needed a complete overhaul... some slight changes but nothing drastic. Rush wasn't the potent force he was, needed a striker like Fowler alongside him to take on the pace - but came a little too late. If you watch the highlights of the matches between Arsenal and Liverpool, despite being 3-0 and 1-0 to Arsenal, the 3-0 flattered Arsenal and the 1-0 loss was a bit of a steal by Arsenal. There wasn't much between Arsenal and Liverpool. Man Utd, as you know were sneaking up though... 😊👍🏻
@@thelstanedwardsson4374 hello again!! You’re right about Arsenal against Liverpool that season. Liverpool’s problem that season was defensive. Plus too many injuries. The loss of Hansen affected them more than they thought it would. Hysen wasn’t anywhere near as good.
And just a few months later he was manager of newly minted Blackburn Rovers. The pressure story never added up with me. More like he fell out with the club over funding the rebuild of what was an ageing squad. United were also beginning to look like future title contenders and Kenny knew that he would require big money to meet Ferguson head on. Played his cards very well did Kenny.
Read Stephen Kelly’s book nothing to do with a fall out the stress got to him with rashes on his body and blotches on his back,that’s why he quit to save his health.
R I P Mr..Greaves.
Great stuff thanks for the upload if you can upload more that would be amazing. Both were great footballers and made a great team here. Does anyone know how many programmes they made ? There should be a Saint and Greavsie channel !
Brilliant
I think this is 23rd FEBRUARY 1991, the day after Dalglish resigned from Liverpool.
This is 23 February 1991, not 23 March 1991.
Can't believe we were still 6th at this point - December to end of March was a disaster in the League for Tottenham.
We finished 6th in 1990/91. One place below city!! Mind you we won the cup winners cup and reached the league cup final so it wasn’t too bad a season!!! I think Spurs were concentrating on the FA cup by that time.
And in 2021 we are still a disaster lol
If it was me, I would have chosen Phil Thompson as manager with Roy Evans and Ronnie Moran as his assistants. All 3 were Liverpool through and through and were from the inside. On the other hand, Souness had spent the past few years in Italy and Scotland therefore had no idea of what worked best at Anfield. Despite winning the FA Cup which he never did as a player, he made some average to poor signings (his best was Rob Jones although David James wasn't bad) and didn't make an effort to boost their midfield and defence which were sadly lacking. They needed a Gary McAllister and a Roy Keane plus a defender of the Des Walker/John Terry type then they would have definitely mounted a title challenge against Man Utd.
David James was fucking terrible at Liverpool???
No. They were jaded and United had the desire. They're set up now for another period of success at Anfield, but back then there was a lot to rebuild and the youth wasn't coming through. (Mcmanaman and Fowler excluded)
erm a free kick closer than the penalty spot ? thats something odd to modern eyes . seems very strange indeed !
Kenny never did have any bottle
Say that to the families of the 97 whose funerals he went to, whose time he willingly gave and for whom no effort was spared, whilst at the same time managing one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Ronnie Moran Liverpool legend .simple .YNWA
You could argue it was the start of there downfall
The Begining of the end for us , souness ruined the club looking back in hindsight ronnie moran should have been given a shot.
Souness didn't ruin us we were in decline mate,the ban& tragedy in Hillsborough plus not changing players after their peak all took us down sad to see Kenny look so burned out😔
@@ciansheridan7689 The club was in temporary decline when Dalglish resigned in 1991. As Brian Moore said on TV, Liverpool were still joint top with Arsenal. They still had a great squad. There was no need to rush changes, it should have been done gradually with someone with a wise mature head.
37 year old Souness came in and sold Beardsley, Staunton, Ablett, Gillespie, McMahon all within three months. Then Houghton left a year later ( I assume Houghton wanted to get out).
Thirty years on, I am still scratching my head why he sold Staunton who was a good utility player. Beardsley exit was a ridiculous decision.
Then to make matters worse he purchased Dean Saunders, Mark Walters, Julian Dicks, Paul Stewart, Nigel Clough, all players who were not of Liverpool title winning standard.
Not only that, he brought in Mark Wright, and made him immediate captain over Ronnie Whelan who was there since 1979 and was vice captain behind Hansen.
And it is well documented, Souness organised the contracts and payed the new players more wages than the players already there who won championships!!
Souness was also forced to bring through McManaman, Renapp, Fowler, Hutchison, Tanner, Jones, Marsh. Marsh, Tanner and Hutchsion were not good enough. Only Mcmanaman and Rob Jones was ready phsyically and mentally to play every week.
Souness did buy David James. David was very talented but unfortunately was as wacky as Bruce Grobbelaar! I was at a few matches where David made ludicrous errors.
Souness also contrived to fall out with all of the remaining senior players so team spirit was shot to pieces.
Souness actually put Ronnie Whelan on the transfer list in 1993 on Ronnie's birthday!
Michael Thomas and Mark Wright were his better signings but both got injured a lot while he was there. Roy Evans got the best of them in the mid 1990s. Neil Ruddock? Jury is out on him whether he was any good.
Michael Thomas did an interview recently where he said he thought he was coming in to learn the Liverpool way off McMahon and Whelan, next minute McMahon was gone!
When Souness finally resigned in January 1994, everyone was delighted to get rid of him.
Souness was too young, the job was too big for him.
Final analysis? Souness ruined the club!!
I think injuries and Hansen retiring was a big factor in Liverpool not winning the league in 1990/91. After that the players got older and left and weren’t replaced with players of similar quality as you said.
Would Alan Hansen been a good choice for managing Liverpool alongside Ronnie Moran and Roy Evans at that time??
@@mrkipling2201 Think he could have had Kenny as a mentor who favoured Jockey,just as Bob paisley had mentored Kenny.I agree that souness made some awful mistakes but I hate that some supporters still blame everything on him as he was a fantastic captain.YNWA
Looks like Grobelaar let those goals on purpose