Yea for sure bro, I forget what health issue or exactly what it was that forced him into early retirement but there was a quick minute n time where roy really was one of (& some could argue) was the best player n the league, Gilbert Arenas too
@@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t the only thing that kept Roy out of the discussion (excluding his degenerative knee tissue) was his lack of athleticism/explosiveness. (Reading this back, it reads like a degenerative knee tissue problem.) Other than that he was just as skilled from anywhere on the floor as Kobe was.
This man was on his way to being a MVP and maybe an NBA champion with that skillset damn those injuries!!He was so smooth and so tough!Kobe gave him lots of praise too
crazy thing is we witnessed lamarcus reach his prime and he did not dissapoint it hurts to think what coulda been if b-roy and oden woulda stayed healthy definitely woulda won at least two chips
Thank you for this! When healthy, Brandon Roy was the Tim Duncan of shooting guards. Back in 2010, the late-great Kobe Bryant was asked who was the toughest player to guard in the West. His answer? “Roy 365 days, seven days a week. Roy has no weaknesses in his game.”
5dastral I agree T-Mac was a bad boy when he was healthy. At the same time, his injuries began to slow him down by 2008. That might be why Kobe didn’t mention T-Mac in that 2010 interview.
im glad you said brother roy was just one of those players you had to see and kids just don't know how great he was in his prime . he could drop 40easily if you were sleeping on him and even the mamba knew he was problem. i just wished we could have seen him longer man
@@ryanr20091 I’m with you, brother. I live in South Carolina and remember staying up late to watch his games. He was that special. And his brief 2011 comeback against Dallas in the West playoffs was pure heart.
@@chrislacy1990 , Yeah T-Mac was super talented but Brandon Roy had one thing that T-Mac didn’t really have and that’s a clutch gene. A guy as talented as T-Mac was should have gotten passed the first round. And Brandon was still young he definitely would have won playoff series
His prime was short lived, but during it he was insane. Supremely skilled, extremely intelligent, sneaky athletic, tall and strong enough to be a problem, one of the best shooters in the league (off the dribble, with range), and as clutch as they come. You may not have feared him quite as much as a Kobe or Wade, but you definitely feared him. There were so many great players who played with heart in the NBA back then.
@@12savage68 one word: FEAR! If a player is fearful, they WILL NOT do/produce what is needed. If a player is fearless, they WILL do/produce what is needed. Once an athlete checks the fear in their heart the game comes down to preparation and opportunity.
@@aimwrld3970 Naw Tmac was a star for 7 years, he got his shine, Thats why he's in the Hall of Fame. Roy wont get that chance because his career ended as he was taking off
Yeah Brandon Roy was the truth, you have to be a true basketball head to remember him. His game was smooth, not for injuries would have been an all-time great.
Roy was truly a class act! Dude stayed humble on and off the court. Just seemed like he was never pressured or rushed. Took smart shots and knew how to contort and use his body when he drove to the basket
To think Brandon Roy played only 6 seasons in the NBA and he was healthy for just 4 of them, I really think he's the biggest what if, we got to see a good couple years from Penny, Grant Hill, D-Rose, but Brandon Roy was just scratching the surface. Even Kobe said he had no weakness in his game
@@allidoiswin9891would've been an all time point guard 💯 better than Jason Kidd imo. Not a better passer but a killer at the point guard position. Ahead of his time.
He would’ve been a first ballot hall of famer and probably a top 5 SG ever. The dude had ZERO weaknesses. The same way we were robbed of D rose, we were robbed of B Roy
Loved Brandon Roy. Knew he'd be a good NBA player but he was becoming a great player when he got hurt. Loved watching him play. Clutch, great shooter. Fun to watch
Oh man, thank you for the compilation. Still top 5 favorites players I ever watched live. Hurts my heart to see B Roy and Oden playing so well together. 💔
Brandon Roy would been one of the best to ever do it. His game had it all, a killer on the court. Those that watch you recognize and remember Roy, we will never forget.
Man, it was tough to watch. Would have had the chance to be in the same conversation as Stockton/Malone, Kobe/Shaw or a Peyton/Kemp. I had no idea Roy was feeding Oden like that. BOY!
I ain’t gonna lie...lakers during this season was my favorite team, and the one team I didn’t want them seeing in the playoffs was Portland due to this man right here
B Roy was a top 5 sg of the 2000s but most importantly, he was an positive impact & a franchise player His initiating the offense with intense intelligence in execution made him enjoyable and someone to watch with his style of relentless athleticism. His aggression on defense was nice
Had the Roy oden and Aldridge trio stayed healthy they would’ve won at least 2 championships imo. They were 50-12 when on the floor together. Roy was just so good man. Kobe said he was the hardest player in the league to guard and had no weaknesses.
Man I am a Celtics fan on the East Coast, so it was very rare to catch Blazers games on TV at the time... but I still think about Brandon Roy randomly every couple months because he was just so fun to watch. Hope he is doing well
I usually browse through TH-cam looking for something interesting to watch, not this time I clicked so fast! B-roy is one of my favorite basketball players.
@@klipzgod1503What are you talking about Oden was drafted 1 year after Roy. You're mixing up Oden and Lillard. Everybody says imagine Lillard with those 3 but they woulda never had Lillard if all 3 stayed healthy.
He was a senior when I was Freshmen at Garfield High School. He was different. Even just watching him hoop during lunch time or during varsity games. His basketball IQ and fluidity was so effortless.
I miss watching Brandon Roy, he definitely coulda been a top 75 talent and he’s definitely one of the biggest what ifs ever outside of drose. These highlights take me back to my middle school days
That young Blazers team was on its way to being the Spurs of the 2010s.. Roy, Aldridge and Oden were 50-12 in the 62 games they played together. So sad.
WOW this team. From Roy, LA, Oden , Batum. If everyone stayed healthy and kept adding the pieces that Portland did....would have been a legit scary team for a long time. Definitely fun to watch. West was so stacked.
When I was playing college basketball and we played UW my freshman year and Brandon Roy was a senior, I had to be him in scout team. He dropped 35 on us and it was so smooth then when he was 22. I thought he was for sure gonna be one of the top players in the game. People don’t realize just how legit his game was before the injuries 🏀☹️
What made him special was his ability to handle the rock, pass and make the right play. At times he looked more like a point guard. He didn't rush the game (pierce). He was smooth (Allan Houston). He was the cornerstone in what we see today... bigger guards playing on the ball using their shifty change of speed to get to the right spots. Roy changed the idea of the prototype shooting guards to a more fluid position in what we see in Harden, P.G. Luka Booker, etc...
There was a reason this guy was the highest paid player in the league for several years, even while he was out injured indefinitely moving teams he was the highest paid player. It's because he was that good when healthy.
Big strong guard that can shoot with a quick first step, match up nightmare. He could legit muscle guys in the paint, he was a beast. I was young when he played so I couldn't tell how strong he was, he made most guys look seem weak lol. He was tough
The man was pure amazing. I knew he was special in college playing at the university of Washington. I was a fan of him well before the NBA. His potential was higher than the sky itself. I miss this dude.
Brandon Roy could do it all. Could score the 3, had a deadly mid-range, could post-up, drive the basket and finish. Shoot fadeaways, catch and shoot, shoot off the dribble, shoot off the screen. Amazing.
What sets him apart is his ability to do everything with his left that he can do with his right (ambidextrous) . Along with shooting, athleticism, and great passing vision.. easily one of the hardest guys to guard in nba history, but he was missing the most important factor of them all.. health , if only he had good knees. Same with oden
Wow. Him, Oden, and Aldridge were supposed to the the trio...god damn injuries. I'm glad he got to lead that comeback versus the Mavs in the 2011 playoffs. He looked like his old self for a brief time.
While we are at it can I ask for a Danny Granger goat szn? Dude was also a walking bucket in real life and in 2k. If you cant make one it’s ok. I truly understand how tough it is to make one of these.
@@MaxaMillion711 man I only liked once because its not possible to do it twice! I am an aspiring pro hooper and i have been learning so much from this vids!! please keep em coming bro! much love
Factssss if your a 90s baby that grew up watching the NBA you will never forget this talented star he was a bucket from anywhere pure scorer
Yea for sure bro, I forget what health issue or exactly what it was that forced him into early retirement but there was a quick minute n time where roy really was one of (& some could argue) was the best player n the league, Gilbert Arenas too
Degenerative knee tissue for some strange reason his knee was just breaking down it's sad
Alton Rodgers damn that's too bad smh he was definitely on his way to becoming one of the all time greats imo
Dayzth0seWere there was never a time he was the best player in the league. Around this time it was Wade, LeBron, and Kobe discussion only
@@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t the only thing that kept Roy out of the discussion (excluding his degenerative knee tissue) was his lack of athleticism/explosiveness. (Reading this back, it reads like a degenerative knee tissue problem.) Other than that he was just as skilled from anywhere on the floor as Kobe was.
This man was on his way to being a MVP and maybe an NBA champion with that skillset damn those injuries!!He was so smooth and so tough!Kobe gave him lots of praise too
Agreed 100% bro, this man was unfair in clutch moments
A lot of nba players did
One break out season where he only seen one defender in front of him. Average.
@@dougdimadome3144 Roy was a average defender throughout his career. He was a poor man's T Mac and Mitch Richmond at best.
crazy thing is we witnessed lamarcus reach his prime and he did not dissapoint it hurts to think what coulda been if b-roy and oden woulda stayed healthy definitely woulda won at least two chips
06-07 was a great time to watch the NBA.
Watch B-Roy drop 40 on TNT and then watch Gilbert arenas go for 50 and a game winner on ESPN lol
man what an era
And watch Tmac torch kids while being injured but in 03 watch Tmac get 50 and a poster dunk and a contested deep 3
#MyEra !!!
And watch kobe drop 50 for consecutive games
And A.I. too. Plus these comments prove Kevin Garnett wrong. KG said guards from 20 years ago couldn't play in today's era 😆
Thank you for this! When healthy, Brandon Roy was the Tim Duncan of shooting guards.
Back in 2010, the late-great Kobe Bryant was asked who was the toughest player to guard in the West. His answer? “Roy 365 days, seven days a week. Roy has no weaknesses in his game.”
5dastral I agree T-Mac was a bad boy when he was healthy. At the same time, his injuries began to slow him down by 2008. That might be why Kobe didn’t mention T-Mac in that 2010 interview.
5dastral well obviously not if he wasn’t mentioned
im glad you said brother roy was just one of those players you had to see and kids just don't know how great he was in his prime . he could drop 40easily if you were sleeping on him and even the mamba knew he was problem. i just wished we could have seen him longer man
@@ryanr20091 I’m with you, brother. I live in South Carolina and remember staying up late to watch his games. He was that special. And his brief 2011 comeback against Dallas in the West playoffs was pure heart.
@@chrislacy1990 , Yeah T-Mac was super talented but Brandon Roy had one thing that T-Mac didn’t really have and that’s a clutch gene. A guy as talented as T-Mac was should have gotten passed the first round. And Brandon was still young he definitely would have won playoff series
His prime was short lived, but during it he was insane. Supremely skilled, extremely intelligent, sneaky athletic, tall and strong enough to be a problem, one of the best shooters in the league (off the dribble, with range), and as clutch as they come. You may not have feared him quite as much as a Kobe or Wade, but you definitely feared him. There were so many great players who played with heart in the NBA back then.
How do you measure who's playing with heart and who isn't?
@@12savage68 one word: FEAR! If a player is fearful, they WILL NOT do/produce what is needed. If a player is fearless, they WILL do/produce what is needed. Once an athlete checks the fear in their heart the game comes down to preparation and opportunity.
In all honesty I think he was more skilled than them. Just didn’t get to reach his full potential
Technically he never had a prime his knees we’re screwed before he entered the NBA
@@12savage68 eye test
This guy would've been a star if not for injuries. "One of the hardest players to guard"-Kobe Bryant on Roy
He was a star . He would have been a hall of famer if it wasn't for his injuries
Same with Tracy McGrady
Star... More like a Superstar.
He was extremely fundamentally sound, super Athletic, clutch ASF and most importantly a closer.
No weaknesses.
@@aimwrld3970 Naw Tmac was a star for 7 years, he got his shine, Thats why he's in the Hall of Fame. Roy wont get that chance because his career ended as he was taking off
Yeah Brandon Roy was the truth, you have to be a true basketball head to remember him. His game was smooth, not for injuries would have been an all-time great.
He’s an all time great anyways
He mad it look so easy. So smooth and technically sound. I could watch that midrange jumper all day long.
He plays at such a perfect when he has the ball he’s controlling the pace most of the time in games
This man was so humble as well. Will always be one of my fav players.
I’m so happy for this video. Roy needs a 30 for 30 from ESPN
STAT and ASAP!
This dude got the cleanest step back I've ever seen. Always wanna equip that
Btw Oden looked like a straight beast in the video too😪
Not many know that Greg Oden was very good when he actually was able to play.
His hop step/jump stop was killer also.
I think him and oden only played like 59 games together... only if ...
Woulda been great. Blazers only played 60 games over 3 seasons with Roy, Aldridge and Oden. 50-10 in those games.
He even euro stepped before it was popular
The original dame time lol
He had the most smooth moves I've ever seen, his game is such a pleasure to watch. And man, was he a deadly scorer and tremendous playmaker.
One the most underrated and underappreciated players in the league
He was definitely appreciated by real hoop fans . We know how lethal Brandon was .
Definitely appreciated and BR is not underrated, we all know how good he is in just a short time.
@@GoatzyYT facts
@@Maxjuliann true
Man this hurts.. he really deserves to see his prime all the way through and have a full career. He was just getting started.
Roy was truly a class act! Dude stayed humble on and off the court. Just seemed like he was never pressured or rushed. Took smart shots and knew how to contort and use his body when he drove to the basket
To think Brandon Roy played only 6 seasons in the NBA and he was healthy for just 4 of them, I really think he's the biggest what if, we got to see a good couple years from Penny, Grant Hill, D-Rose, but Brandon Roy was just scratching the surface. Even Kobe said he had no weakness in his game
Jay Williams would've been a problem too
@@allidoiswin9891would've been an all time point guard 💯 better than Jason Kidd imo. Not a better passer but a killer at the point guard position. Ahead of his time.
2022 just watching Brandon, Oden, LA and just get sad at what was lost smh. Fun to see while it lasted.
man if he was healthy, just imagine roy and dame together
They would have never gotten that draft pick, they would have been to good
@@Junior-ns2kn dame's pick from swapped with other team
imagine Roy and Oden together if they never got hurt
Dame would have never got draft by Portland
@@frankpoleski5423 Portland picked him by another team's draft pick
Brandon Roy was truly a Great player but more importantly he was clutch and a closer.
THAT MAN WAS A BUCKET, SHEESH!
Roy had the most incredible left. He's the film every young player needs to study.
He would’ve been a first ballot hall of famer and probably a top 5 SG ever. The dude had ZERO weaknesses. The same way we were robbed of D rose, we were robbed of B Roy
It was a 3 headed show at SG with him Kobe & Wade. They were all phenomenal
I wanted to see B-Roy vs Kobe playoff battles soooooooo badly
One of my favorite players of all time.
Man, i was like watching kobe,t-mac and drose in one body but smoother and more efficient 😱 b-roy was a superstar
Facts the boy was a problem
I still remember going nuts in my dorm when he hit that shot against the rockets. Injuries robbed everyone
Loved Brandon Roy. Knew he'd be a good NBA player but he was becoming a great player when he got hurt. Loved watching him play. Clutch, great shooter. Fun to watch
Nobody even has a pull up like that anymore ... hardest move to stop in basketball period
Russ does, he just misses
@@Chan6th funniest thing I've heard all day.
Steph Curry from thirty feet has entered the chat
It’s what separates the great from the good
@@riskmakeitlookeasy3266 only real Hoopers know
Oh man, thank you for the compilation. Still top 5 favorites players I ever watched live. Hurts my heart to see B Roy and Oden playing so well together. 💔
One of the smoothest players to play in the league. So unfortunate for his injuries...
Brandon Roy would been one of the best to ever do it. His game had it all, a killer on the court.
Those that watch you recognize and remember Roy, we will never forget.
And since they technically traded to get the right to draft for Dame. You could potentially have Dame, LA, and Roy.
He took no wasted movements . He was killing u off 3 to 4 dribbles and getting anything he wanted . Different 😩
exactly very efficient!
that little succession of plays with Greg Oden at 5:55 almost brought a tear to my eye. If only those two stayed healthy...
Wouldvd been a tuff duo to handle 😔
Man, it was tough to watch.
Would have had the chance to be in the same conversation as Stockton/Malone, Kobe/Shaw or a Peyton/Kemp.
I had no idea Roy was feeding Oden like that.
BOY!
@@MooreVoicesMediawhen Roy Aldridge and oden played they were like 50 and 10 or something crazy
The disrespect to Oden, calling him a bust. He was a really good player. Loved that trio of BRoy, him and LA.❤
I ain’t gonna lie...lakers during this season was my favorite team, and the one team I didn’t want them seeing in the playoffs was Portland due to this man right here
B Roy was a top 5 sg of the 2000s but most importantly, he was an positive impact & a franchise player His initiating the offense with intense intelligence in execution made him enjoyable and someone to watch with his style of relentless athleticism. His aggression on defense was nice
My boy ROY 💪🏾💯, wish his body held up for him, deff was one of my favorite players growing up
Some of the best body control you'll ever see. One of the most clutch! Seattle's finest!
Had the Roy oden and Aldridge trio stayed healthy they would’ve won at least 2 championships imo. They were 50-12 when on the floor together. Roy was just so good man. Kobe said he was the hardest player in the league to guard and had no weaknesses.
Man I am a Celtics fan on the East Coast, so it was very rare to catch Blazers games on TV at the time... but I still think about Brandon Roy randomly every couple months because he was just so fun to watch. Hope he is doing well
Max, you and Dawkins are the Goats 🙏 Thank you for the endless film
It’s sad what happened to Dawkins
*YESSSS*
You my G...deserve a milli subs and hella views, ON GAWD.
Oh yeah!!! Brandon Roy!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I usually browse through TH-cam looking for something interesting to watch, not this time I clicked so fast! B-roy is one of my favorite basketball players.
Oh what a time it was! Lebron and Roy were my childhood hoop heros. Imagine a healthy Roy/Oden duo with that team though..
The fact that they could have had a core of Roy, Lamarcus and Oden if not for injuries is heart breaking
They wouldn’t have had oden if Roy stayed health
@@klipzgod1503What are you talking about Oden was drafted 1 year after Roy. You're mixing up Oden and Lillard. Everybody says imagine Lillard with those 3 but they woulda never had Lillard if all 3 stayed healthy.
Brandon Roy was right there with Kobe. So deceptive and can score from anywhere. One of the best SG in history but was plagued by knee injuries.
Ray Allen supersonics
Reggie miller
Melo
Vince
Monta Ellis
@MaxaMillion711
You did it again, B. Roy was on 🔥🔥🔥 that season.
Way underrated when that talk come up
Brandon Roy , LaMarcus Aldridge , Greg Oden , Channing Frye , Steve Blake , Nicolas Batum , Rudy Fernández , Sergio Rodríguez ecc............
Coach : Nate McMillan
What team 🔥🔥
one of the greatest what ifs
man i love this throwback series, can't wait to see more players!
He was a senior when I was Freshmen at Garfield High School. He was different. Even just watching him hoop during lunch time or during varsity games. His basketball IQ and fluidity was so effortless.
I miss watching Brandon Roy, he definitely coulda been a top 75 talent and he’s definitely one of the biggest what ifs ever outside of drose. These highlights take me back to my middle school days
Talented player. I miss him so much watching him playing in NBA. Godbless
The way B. Roy played at his own speed and made it look soooo easy. Reminds me of Luka right now
Smooth, efficient, tough. Three words I’d describe B-Roy with.
dude also those Greg Oden dunks, though... I wish he could stay healthy :(
Back when centers were still center
bro the GOAT of bball highlights on TH-cam.. but damn the quality on this one was brutal, yet full of buckets!! lmao
That young Blazers team was on its way to being the Spurs of the 2010s.. Roy, Aldridge and Oden were 50-12 in the 62 games they played together. So sad.
WOW this team. From Roy, LA, Oden , Batum. If everyone stayed healthy and kept adding the pieces that Portland did....would have been a legit scary team for a long time. Definitely fun to watch. West was so stacked.
The blazers are cured man. Bill walton, Sam Bowie, Arvydas Sabonis, Brandon Roy, Greg Oden all great players plagued by injuries.
And this kid has DEFENSE to go along with his game....no weaknesses..Wow
When I was playing college basketball and we played UW my freshman year and Brandon Roy was a senior, I had to be him in scout team. He dropped 35 on us and it was so smooth then when he was 22. I thought he was for sure gonna be one of the top players in the game. People don’t realize just how legit his game was before the injuries 🏀☹️
I remember you bagga. U of A all day. ILL never forget those games against Nate Robinson, Brandon Roy
nano Ja definitely. Dude was a Pure bucket getter 💪🏽🏀
Keep em coming big dawg!!!
Roy reminded me of Thomas Shepherd in the movie “Above the Rim” . Effortless, clutch, and unstoppable!
Roys bag was deep man
GOAT SZN playlist getting stupid lit
One the most gifted scorers
B.Roy was a dawg mane!!
Straight…DAWG!
my favorite shooting gaurd of all time
Devin Booker reminds me of Brandon Roy. I loved Roy's game. He stays healthy and he would've been a superstar
I love Devin … he need to kick that Hollywood shit to the curve and get back focus
The smoothest player at the same time effective player I've ever seen
What made him special was his ability to handle the rock, pass and make the right play. At times he looked more like a point guard. He didn't rush the game (pierce). He was smooth (Allan Houston). He was the cornerstone in what we see today... bigger guards playing on the ball using their shifty change of speed to get to the right spots. Roy changed the idea of the prototype shooting guards to a more fluid position in what we see in Harden, P.G. Luka Booker, etc...
facts facts facts
The dude was lights out when he was in his prime. Hated it when he went down
There was a reason this guy was the highest paid player in the league for several years, even while he was out injured indefinitely moving teams he was the highest paid player. It's because he was that good when healthy.
One of the most complete guards I’ve ever seen had the total package him and Kobe would’ve had some great battles for years if it wasn’t for injuries
This guy is a beast I was really enjoying watching him carry the team
Big strong guard that can shoot with a quick first step, match up nightmare. He could legit muscle guys in the paint, he was a beast. I was young when he played so I couldn't tell how strong he was, he made most guys look seem weak lol. He was tough
This guy and D rose were so fun to watch back then
Man look.. Injuries cut a future Hof career short. This man Brandon Roy was a beast. He had every shot in his arsenal. No weakness except his health
B Roy was so dope. I remember that OT buzzer beater vs the Rockets. Shame he had injuries rob his potential.
Easily would’ve been a hall of famer 💯
R.B. ☆Roy Buckets ☆ Simply extraordinary 🥇
The man was pure amazing. I knew he was special in college playing at the university of Washington. I was a fan of him well before the NBA. His potential was higher than the sky itself. I miss this dude.
26:01 clean af
Boy had 1 of the crispiest pull up jumpers I’ve ever seen
If Kobe tells u that u have no weaknesses in ur game. Ur pretty damn good
Brandon Roy could do it all. Could score the 3, had a deadly mid-range, could post-up, drive the basket and finish. Shoot fadeaways, catch and shoot, shoot off the dribble, shoot off the screen. Amazing.
Healthy Roy and Oden is fun to watch.
I was excited when he made a comeback in Minnesota, but he got injured again, so heartbreaking
Game never changed, from even his AAU days, he just got stronger, I mean the same so crazy!
As a 90s baby late 2000s hoop hold a special place in my heart
What sets him apart is his ability to do everything with his left that he can do with his right (ambidextrous) . Along with shooting, athleticism, and great passing vision.. easily one of the hardest guys to guard in nba history, but he was missing the most important factor of them all.. health , if only he had good knees. Same with oden
What an amazing talent
Oden and Roy healthy 😭 >>>
Wow. Him, Oden, and Aldridge were supposed to the the trio...god damn injuries. I'm glad he got to lead that comeback versus the Mavs in the 2011 playoffs. He looked like his old self for a brief time.
While we are at it can I ask for a Danny Granger goat szn? Dude was also a walking bucket in real life and in 2k. If you cant make one it’s ok. I truly understand how tough it is to make one of these.
I’m not sure how many Granger highlights are available. If I had a hard time with KG, I doubt Granger highlights are more plentiful. I’ll look into it
MaxaMillion711 damn bro. You’re on a GOAT SZN yourself for this. ✊🏼💯
@@MaxaMillion711 man I only liked once because its not possible to do it twice! I am an aspiring pro hooper and i have been learning so much from this vids!! please keep em coming bro! much love
Dame and BRoy in the backcourt together 😮💯💯💯
That spin move unguardable