an entire episode of cimo clobbering MBT half to death and then going "if it makes you feel any better, you only lost because I just so happened to win!"
@@ChazzzyF I honestly don’t care what MBT had. This was already in an excess game 3 and cimo had yet to summon it to showcase it in the “cyber stein otk” episode. So ridiculous that he didn’t just play it for the video.
“This combo was so oppressive they had to ban it in 5 days” Game 1: didn’t draw combo Game 2: didn’t draw combo Game 3: drew combo, discarded it to graceful Didn’t even see the card in the thumbnail
Im half convinced at this point that Cimo has a plugin for duelingbook that makes so certain cards are more likely to appear in his hands cause this episode is just disgusting.
Dang, Cimo pitching Megamorph literally every chance he got, ensuring even if he drew the combo he'd never have the combo kinda hurt. Nothing compared to Game 3 where he just pitched the entire combo from his hand off Graceful though. A little piece of me died lol. I know it was the right move to win the game, i get it, but dangit, it woulda been fun to see the combo and it was the "No stakes" game 3 where he already won so why not try for the funny? Feel like Cimo's always playing YuGiOh as if he's in an elimination round at a national tournament lol
This game is literally just the epitome of why 'just limit the card so consistency is hit' can be frustrating. When you get sacked three games in a row because they just draw the one of every game, it just feels bad.
Consistency hits only really work if the 1 of is a bad open/draw that normally gets played at 2-3(i.e. Poplar), or if you need at least 2 of a card to play the "full" line(Ratpier/Malicious). I've made decks that just seem more capable of play lines by removing the spare HOPTs and replacing them with similar functions so you still have a line without opening/drawing the specific thing(or bricking on extra copies of the HOPT card). It's amazing how hard some people tunnel into specific lines that they'd rather brick on "consistency" than ensure they always have a play. Which explains why so many decks seem even MORE busted after those consistency hits get them to finally run more gas at better ratios.
consistency is not really being hit when you have 2 charity and 1 pot and the game is slow enough for MoF to recycle them multiple times during a game, though
I wish we saw good stuff vs stein instead. This way Cimo might of actually gone for the stein otk instead of just discarding it for tributed to the doom
@@zariygoyugioh as an ip is a success magnet, the only time the game down in sales was during the link era, because fuck Konami making people forced to run link to "slow down" the game, turns out people especially in ocg straight up quiting. You see there? People don't care about slow or fast the game is, yugioh main attraction is the all gas no brakes gameplay take that identity away and it's just another game.
MOF is just the dancing girl in Yuro’s 460mm Go Bang! It’s like Alex invited Joseph over for a nice friendly game of OCG but then he rolled in with Battleship instead of a deck.
Combatting Flip Effects was always a challenge in the TCG equivalent of this era. Then Royal Command, Ceasefire, NoC, and even Dark Ruler Hades happened. Hades even crippled recruiters, Witch, and Sangan.
The cretin loop only "works" if the cretin gets destroyed in battle... It wouldn't make any difference, the deck was created poorly and without thought.
They semi-limited gravekeepers servant in order to hit the extremely unfair combo that it had with banisher of the light, and this was during the "draw the out" era.
If Mill's around Painful Choice seems like a bad card to be playing, especially at 3; outside of maybe tossing Summoned Skull to Reborn later, it just seems like it'd waste cards you could instead use later, if only to pad the deck so a Morphing Jar or Needle Worm don't do as much damage as quickly. Personally, I'd just replace them with Upstart Goblin even in the deck where using two of them makes the OTK more difficult to pull off.
I hate when we don't get to see the featured deck do what it's supposed to do at least once. I wish MBT played a different deck for a game after the match. It would have been a very different game had he not been playing mill.
"I know that I drew every perfect card in sequence and won, but in fairness I had to draw every perfect card in sequence to do so" "YES, THAT IS WHY IM MAD YOU DREW PERFECT"
Tough matchup. Cimoo is playing a ton of facedown removal and MBT needs em to flip. Insane that in a cyber stein vs jar mill matchup, not a single stein or jar was activated the entire game.
Am I the only one thinking that these don’t hit the feels like the history of yugioh videos? Especially early videos with the wheel and Joseph actually caring about doing these videos lol
Maybe not the best match up to showcase the power of megamorph + Blue-eyes ultimate dragon by playing against the only meta deck that does nothing but set monsters and play attack/damage negates like eaboku and swords
BTW, before the Premium Pack 3, there have been two and only two copies of Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon as the winner's reward in the Duelist Legend in Tokyo Dome, Aug 26, 1999. Yes, it is that event where they rioted. One is for the GB game match and one is for the OCG match. So technically you can play this deck one month before the Premium Pack 3 came out if you own that copy.
I imagine they probably Semi'd Gravekeeper's Servant to help curb the Deck Out deck against more aggressive, beater style decks going forward, which they may have expected to come next once hand ripping was no longer viable.
I believe gravekeepers servant is send a card to the graveyard to attack. So if you have multiple active, you have to send per card to attack. If you have banisher of light up, you can’t attack at all bc you can’t send cards to the graveyard. Sending 3 cards from the top of your deck to the graveyard could be essential.
cimo's deck relies on witch or sangan getting destroyed to search stein, but he plays it against a mill deck that doesn't attack so of course we never see the combo. He should have played the deck against aggro or at least ran stein at 3 in main so we can actually see the deck work
Pretty sure Blue-Eyes Ultimate came out so late that the Movie Promo Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon was LITERALLY unplayable for YEARS. Just one of the earliest in an increasingly long list of TCG release timing sins.
Magician of Black Chaos, Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon... Many iconic cards that for some reason never appeared on the TCG until way too late, even though they had gotten to the OCG before the TCG was even a thing
The jar mill deck isn’t good at dealing dmg and probably worse in term of pure battle strength compare to the Stein deck. Mbt didn’t show a single monster that can hit over tomato. It’s hard for the MegaStein combo to go off when your opponent doesn’t do any dmg.
I don't think MBT had a very good deck to start with this episode.... Just saying hand destruction is gone doesn't mean at least using delinquent is not good. Did he even have raigeki? Also MBT deck was not even a good enabler to megamorph combo as it was so weak it just doesn't incetivize paying 5k for cyber stein.
Fun Fact: Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon did not come out into the TCG until 2008, by which point Cyber-Stein had been banned making this combo here impossible in the TCG until Cyber-Stein was unbanned in 2019, by which point the game had long moved on.
I am not sure of this, but I believe around 2006, you could pull off an even more broken combo by using Cyberstein to get Cyber End Dragon. Sure it has 500 less attack, but this one has piercing too.
@@theposhdinosaur7276 There was also Master of Oz with it's 4200 attack power that came out in late 2004 before Cyber Stein or Cyber End Dragon was even released, so BEUD wasn't even really needed to pull it off.
What I remember being really funny is the movie promo Blue Eyes Shining Dragon could only be summoned by sacrificing BEUD. But BEUD didn't even _exist_ in the TCG yet.
Its interesting to me that back then nobody was side decking 3 kuriboh, hand control got destroyed by the banlist back then. you could have held onto it with 0 worry of getting your hand ripped.
This is not a real format and they just played it as a meme... 5 days is not enough to explore counterplay estrategies. Also .. there is no way mill would be played like this at this moment in the time.
They sidedecked kuriboh in stein otk formats afterwards. In the modern ocg exploration of 2005 ocg format, stein is seen as one of the best decks along with Gadgets and people definitely sidedeck Kuriboh there, though idk enough about ocg history to know if they did it in the actual 2005 ocg format.
@@andleepfarooqui7874 I don't remember seeing it back then, most deck had a lot of toolbox options, deck were built to handle most situations, but with that versatility came slow game play.
I'm playing a Cyber-Stein turbo deck in Eternal Duelist Soul while I try to get a second Flute of Summoning Dragon. I summon Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon roughly 85% of duels I play. Weird to see Cimo win without summoning it once
For everyone who doesn't know. Ultimate offering in this format states you can Normal summon extra for each 500 LP paid. This means you can Normal summon or Set in your opponent turnat any phase lol. That's why they change the effect in 2003 lol. You could set the flip monsters in your opponent's turn at anytime lol.
13:50 would have been the time to do it or am i missing something. Duster, crash into skull, summon stein, summon ultimate, megamorph, hit over skull again, game
Limit to the 2 single card hard rip spells but a Semi for the double hand rip spell!? Classic Konami being the least harsh on the objectively more problematic card
We see why “Just draw the out” is a valid argument against Cimooo specifically
You gotta appreciate Joseph playing around megamorph doubling attack effect by reducing his own lifepoints to 0 as fast as possible.
MBT's deck should be the one having the megamorph. Haha
Bro MBT got bullied here, kinda felt bad watching lol
"Let's see if Stein OTK is an overly oppressive threat"
*Proceeds to play Tomato Beatdown*
Tomato summons Stein
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
@@ChampionMarxliterally TRUE
Alexander "Never Didn't Have It" Cimo
Think its just Alex
an entire episode of cimo clobbering MBT half to death and then going "if it makes you feel any better, you only lost because I just so happened to win!"
I. LOVE. HISTORY OF YU-GI-OHHHHHHHHHHHHH
today we will showcase the cyber stein/megamprh deck.
and by showing it we mean we will discard both cyber stein AND megamprh off graceful charity.
Alex “just draw the out” Cimoooooooo wins again.
Game 1 was a slaughter.
That first game was literally just Cimo climbing across the table and punching MBT in the teeth 4-5 times
Cimo: talks about Stein OTK
Also Cimo: draws like a god and never shows off the combo
I honestly feel Joseph's pain whenever Cimo uses his protagonist powers and then goes "This isn't great I know"
I like how we have reached peak Cimo format where the DM staples are just always in his hand 😂 that game 2 hand was absurd
"I haven't gotten anywhere near close to pulling it off" discards stein mega 💀
tbf his LP is higher even with -5k, but yeah, would've been nice to see the Ultimate Dragon at least.
And also he had Swords up so it wouldn't really have done anything, pitching them both was probably the correct move there but it would've been funny
Sometimes, I wish our boy wasn't so competitive
@@RikuoTanakaSnatch steal would have put Joseph over in just one turn
@@ChazzzyF I honestly don’t care what MBT had. This was already in an excess game 3 and cimo had yet to summon it to showcase it in the “cyber stein otk” episode. So ridiculous that he didn’t just play it for the video.
Cimooooooo the first two games were a war crime, holy shit
I love the History of Bullying Joseph
So Cimo plays heart of the cards turbo to win all 3 games in just over 10 minutes. Sounds about right.
“This combo was so oppressive they had to ban it in 5 days”
Game 1: didn’t draw combo
Game 2: didn’t draw combo
Game 3: drew combo, discarded it to graceful
Didn’t even see the card in the thumbnail
it’s more joseph’s deck countered it specifically (the combo at hand. not cimos deck)
@@empresscarrie6230countered it by being so useless of a deck there was no reason to use the combo
The FTK so infamous Kaiba would get special dialogue referencing how broken it was in one of the GBA games when he pulled it off.
He also tried to kill the gods with it in the first movie
Which?
Pyramid of light, didn't use stein though. @@brandoncastellano1858
@@brandoncastellano1858the pyramid of light one
I didn’t mean the movie I meant the game.
Megamorph is such an underrated card.. Even if you aren't getting the attack boost it still cuts an opponents attack in half and functions as removal.
My biggest takeaway from this era of History of OCG is that Tribute to the Doomed was really good
Im half convinced at this point that Cimo has a plugin for duelingbook that makes so certain cards are more likely to appear in his hands cause this episode is just disgusting.
Dang, Cimo pitching Megamorph literally every chance he got, ensuring even if he drew the combo he'd never have the combo kinda hurt. Nothing compared to Game 3 where he just pitched the entire combo from his hand off Graceful though. A little piece of me died lol.
I know it was the right move to win the game, i get it, but dangit, it woulda been fun to see the combo and it was the "No stakes" game 3 where he already won so why not try for the funny? Feel like Cimo's always playing YuGiOh as if he's in an elimination round at a national tournament lol
This game is literally just the epitome of why 'just limit the card so consistency is hit' can be frustrating. When you get sacked three games in a row because they just draw the one of every game, it just feels bad.
Consistency hits only really work if the 1 of is a bad open/draw that normally gets played at 2-3(i.e. Poplar), or if you need at least 2 of a card to play the "full" line(Ratpier/Malicious).
I've made decks that just seem more capable of play lines by removing the spare HOPTs and replacing them with similar functions so you still have a line without opening/drawing the specific thing(or bricking on extra copies of the HOPT card). It's amazing how hard some people tunnel into specific lines that they'd rather brick on "consistency" than ensure they always have a play. Which explains why so many decks seem even MORE busted after those consistency hits get them to finally run more gas at better ratios.
consistency is not really being hit when you have 2 charity and 1 pot and the game is slow enough for MoF to recycle them multiple times during a game, though
Is cimo oblivious to his plot armor? The man draws every out 😂😂
14:25 "Ooh, those are not good" after drawing 2 MoF with Duster in grave
The luckiest man in the galaxy somehow still finds a way to complain about his god draws 🤪
Well, that first game was real close.
And so were the second and third games. I was sweating so much wondering how it was going to turn out. 😆
Arby's has the meats. Alex has the outs.
So what have we learned? Nothing, Cimo is just cracked
Ahhh, love the showcase duels of old decks where the main deck they’re showcasing wins but never does the thing they’re designed to do
Game 1 4:32
Game 2 7:32
Game 3 12:18
the japanese screen is just an info screen, not the actual banlist
I wish we saw good stuff vs stein instead. This way Cimo might of actually gone for the stein otk instead of just discarding it for tributed to the doom
The best part of this FTK is that it was at full power for only FIVE DAYS before Konami limited Megamorph. They KNEW it was bullshit
Alex is just allergic to doing the thing the deck is meant to do
I know I say this every week, but hiw tf this game managed to survive for 25 years?
I too wonder hiw?
Same as ever, casual players didnt have such discuting decks
@@matheles1824 no I mean, the gameplay is actually horrible.
Cimo wasn't playing it yet
@@zariygoyugioh as an ip is a success magnet, the only time the game down in sales was during the link era, because fuck Konami making people forced to run link to "slow down" the game, turns out people especially in ocg straight up quiting.
You see there? People don't care about slow or fast the game is, yugioh main attraction is the all gas no brakes gameplay take that identity away and it's just another game.
This week on: Joseph losing to Protagonist Cimo
MOF is just the dancing girl in Yuro’s 460mm Go Bang!
It’s like Alex invited Joseph over for a nice friendly game of OCG but then he rolled in with Battleship instead of a deck.
You already won , why not show the Stein combo in Game 3 ?
Combatting Flip Effects was always a challenge in the TCG equivalent of this era. Then Royal Command, Ceasefire, NoC, and even Dark Ruler Hades happened. Hades even crippled recruiters, Witch, and Sangan.
20:24 yeah I like the times where you have to think in a different way with how you play or play around certain cards
Joseph: dang tribute to the doomed keeps killing my spear cretin
Also Joseph: doesn't flip up his spear cretin under swords :)
The cretin loop only "works" if the cretin gets destroyed in battle... It wouldn't make any difference, the deck was created poorly and without thought.
@@SinamonX Is that its original OCG text? All TCG texts say it just needs to be destroyed?
@@RyanAtlusThink you are right, spear has to be sent to GY after flipped thought the whole effect had to be activated on flip
Wait when did alex used swords because it doesn’t flip up your cards?
@@sonic21blast88 Alex didn't use the swords it was Joseph who used it, but he didn't flip his own monster during the "free turn" sword gave him.
Crazy that we’re only a few months into this game and flips are already irrelevant due to all the destruction effects 😂
Cimo: "we didn't even get to show off the combo"
**Pitches the combo in a game 3 of a match he already won**
Cimo: "it's not great"
also Cimo:
Epic video guys, really love the part where you used Cyberstein to summon the big monster! Definitely a top 10 moment in this series.
They semi-limited gravekeepers servant in order to hit the extremely unfair combo that it had with banisher of the light, and this was during the "draw the out" era.
If Mill's around Painful Choice seems like a bad card to be playing, especially at 3; outside of maybe tossing Summoned Skull to Reborn later, it just seems like it'd waste cards you could instead use later, if only to pad the deck so a Morphing Jar or Needle Worm don't do as much damage as quickly. Personally, I'd just replace them with Upstart Goblin even in the deck where using two of them makes the OTK more difficult to pull off.
I hate when we don't get to see the featured deck do what it's supposed to do at least once. I wish MBT played a different deck for a game after the match. It would have been a very different game had he not been playing mill.
"I know that I drew every perfect card in sequence and won, but in fairness I had to draw every perfect card in sequence to do so"
"YES, THAT IS WHY IM MAD YOU DREW PERFECT"
Tough matchup. Cimoo is playing a ton of facedown removal and MBT needs em to flip. Insane that in a cyber stein vs jar mill matchup, not a single stein or jar was activated the entire game.
1:25 cimooo's decklist
4:31 Game 1 7:31 Game 2
Cimo has gone from protagonist of his channel to the villain of this series.
This duel almost felt like fcking scripted because of how fcking perfect he was drawing... How is this even possible to draw this perfect?
7am History video
Strange times we’re living in
european supremacy
The OCG truly is the wild Wild West people out here losing to tomato beat down
6:51 this how it felt playing 5ds on the DS with no experience of building a deck
Tribute to the doomed/MST turbo lol.
hes just better
Does cimo look at a hand of maxx c, ash blossom, effect veiler, snake eye ash, and bonfire, and go "it's not great, this one's all right I guess"?
4:47 on the nose with that prediction
In another universe Alex is winning YCS after YCS instead of stomping in TH-cam series. These draws were insane.
Am I the only one thinking that these don’t hit the feels like the history of yugioh videos? Especially early videos with the wheel and Joseph actually caring about doing these videos lol
Maybe not the best match up to showcase the power of megamorph + Blue-eyes ultimate dragon by playing against the only meta deck that does nothing but set monsters and play attack/damage negates like eaboku and swords
This episode has big "Mom... Dad... Stop fighting" energy
BTW, before the Premium Pack 3, there have been two and only two copies of Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon as the winner's reward in the Duelist Legend in Tokyo Dome, Aug 26, 1999. Yes, it is that event where they rioted. One is for the GB game match and one is for the OCG match. So technically you can play this deck one month before the Premium Pack 3 came out if you own that copy.
I imagine they probably Semi'd Gravekeeper's Servant to help curb the Deck Out deck against more aggressive, beater style decks going forward, which they may have expected to come next once hand ripping was no longer viable.
I believe gravekeepers servant is send a card to the graveyard to attack. So if you have multiple active, you have to send per card to attack. If you have banisher of light up, you can’t attack at all bc you can’t send cards to the graveyard. Sending 3 cards from the top of your deck to the graveyard could be essential.
ok so it's just Powerspell Turbo and not actually Cyberstein otk?
cimo's deck relies on witch or sangan getting destroyed to search stein, but he plays it against a mill deck that doesn't attack so of course we never see the combo. He should have played the deck against aggro or at least ran stein at 3 in main so we can actually see the deck work
The actual gameplay for this was 10 minutes, for all of the games, that's 3 minutes per game
This one seriously went fasttt
Cyberstein was insane in this duel!
Cimo saying the deck doesn’t want the power spells and proceeding to loop multiple power spells with MoF each game.
Pretty sure Blue-Eyes Ultimate came out so late that the Movie Promo Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon was LITERALLY unplayable for YEARS. Just one of the earliest in an increasingly long list of TCG release timing sins.
Magician of Black Chaos, Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon... Many iconic cards that for some reason never appeared on the TCG until way too late, even though they had gotten to the OCG before the TCG was even a thing
Dude won without even summoning cyber 😂
The jar mill deck isn’t good at dealing dmg and probably worse in term of pure battle strength compare to the Stein deck. Mbt didn’t show a single monster that can hit over tomato. It’s hard for the MegaStein combo to go off when your opponent doesn’t do any dmg.
I don't think MBT had a very good deck to start with this episode.... Just saying hand destruction is gone doesn't mean at least using delinquent is not good. Did he even have raigeki?
Also MBT deck was not even a good enabler to megamorph combo as it was so weak it just doesn't incetivize paying 5k for cyber stein.
Can’t wait to the see entire game one on the year end, holy hell
Holy shit what a steamroll
Fun Fact: Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon did not come out into the TCG until 2008, by which point Cyber-Stein had been banned making this combo here impossible in the TCG until Cyber-Stein was unbanned in 2019, by which point the game had long moved on.
They wanted to ban stein first before releasing ultimate
I am not sure of this, but I believe around 2006, you could pull off an even more broken combo by using Cyberstein to get Cyber End Dragon. Sure it has 500 less attack, but this one has piercing too.
@@theposhdinosaur7276 There was also Master of Oz with it's 4200 attack power that came out in late 2004 before Cyber Stein or Cyber End Dragon was even released, so BEUD wasn't even really needed to pull it off.
The TCG in North America had Ultimate Dragon at the end of 2005 as a Shonen Jump promo in the January 2006 issue
What I remember being really funny is the movie promo Blue Eyes Shining Dragon could only be summoned by sacrificing BEUD. But BEUD didn't even _exist_ in the TCG yet.
Caption Top Deck coming back with another banger
Its interesting to me that back then nobody was side decking 3 kuriboh, hand control got destroyed by the banlist back then. you could have held onto it with 0 worry of getting your hand ripped.
Especially if a Kuriboh could eat a 9k BEUD in these 5 days.
This is not a real format and they just played it as a meme... 5 days is not enough to explore counterplay estrategies. Also .. there is no way mill would be played like this at this moment in the time.
They sidedecked kuriboh in stein otk formats afterwards. In the modern ocg exploration of 2005 ocg format, stein is seen as one of the best decks along with Gadgets and people definitely sidedeck Kuriboh there, though idk enough about ocg history to know if they did it in the actual 2005 ocg format.
@@andleepfarooqui7874 I don't remember seeing it back then, most deck had a lot of toolbox options, deck were built to handle most situations, but with that versatility came slow game play.
My favorite old school megamorph otk
I'm playing a Cyber-Stein turbo deck in Eternal Duelist Soul while I try to get a second Flute of Summoning Dragon. I summon Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon roughly 85% of duels I play. Weird to see Cimo win without summoning it once
technically blue eyes ultimate dragon's debut was in 1999 but there was only one copy given out.
Dude I am salty on behalf of MBT. That was some real bullshit.
Its funny how the combo is broken, but the deck built around to make it doesnt even need it to be effective
For everyone who doesn't know. Ultimate offering in this format states you can Normal summon extra for each 500 LP paid. This means you can Normal summon or Set in your opponent turnat any phase lol. That's why they change the effect in 2003 lol.
You could set the flip monsters in your opponent's turn at anytime lol.
Oh, so BEUD came out BEFORE Shining Dragon in the OCG, good to know
i had the stein beud mega combo in paper back in the day we had a strange playground ocg/tcg mixed format in japanese school...
Never put cimo on gottahaveit, he always does
Kaiba's dream come true - back in the day!
Not sure if that would be the reason but when comboed with dimansional fissure it stops all opponents monsters to attack
Lol this also happened in tcg and got e ban also don't remember how long before it happened
Jesus christ those hands were perfect
That was just a massacre. In the funniest way possible.
13:50 would have been the time to do it or am i missing something.
Duster, crash into skull, summon stein, summon ultimate, megamorph, hit over skull again, game
From back then, in TCG the real threat was Dark Elf with Megamorph!!
Limit to the 2 single card hard rip spells but a Semi for the double hand rip spell!?
Classic Konami being the least harsh on the objectively more problematic card
Cimo goes aggro Game 1 and wins, who would have thought?!
So it turns out, the mill deck doesn't really need to have stein used against it... because it never attacks over the recruiters
So the take-away is not that Cyber Stein was good, but that Mill was actually really bad.
Impossible to win when you draw the outs Every Game