I wish the FTC would make it mandatory for reps to state, "There is a 99% chance you will not make any money. You may even lose money. I am asking you to join me so that my chance of earning might be increased." It should be mandatory that this statement is verbalized and or quoted in every video or social media post they make regarding their "business". And it should be mandatory that it must be stated at a slow pace or in text that is legible and remains on the screen long enough to be read clearly.
This is the best idea I have ever heard. It should be the first thing that they have to say. So many vulnerable people would save a lot of time if they had heard these words first. Hell, they should have to have a signed copy of the statement saying they understand this information and have been given a copy of the earning disclosure statement.
@@bluejenn30 They should have to sign something saying they were given a copy of the income disclosure statement AND that it was adequately explained to them imo. That way the huns will have to be educated on how the statement works and what it indicates so they can explain it to others...and maybe that will lead to a dramatic decrease in mlm reps as well as in new recruits ;D
Now I'm really curious if those girls who were posting nonstop about being Monat lifers are getting paid more than $21... Because $21 a year? For life???
I don’t understand the statement I watched the paparzazzi one and I made much more than that. And I didn’t have a team ( I didn’t even know about team stuff ) I just bought and sold so I’m really confused
I would never, ever join a company that only gives me a 1 in 50 shot of even paying me for my time and financial investment. It’s crazy that they’re even allowed to operate!
That's why its a legal pyramid scheme. The money is in recruiting, the products are just the loophole that keeps the government off their back. Also keep in mind that these income disclosures don't include the money that these dingbats spent to keep their rank every month. Its easy to move up in rank when you sign up everyone and your grandma, but its not sustainable, and thats how you end up spending more than what you get paid, never mind in some cases now you're stuck with a car payment. There was an ex MLM'r who said that she was spending well over $1000 a month just to keep her rank and also keep her $500 car "bonus"coming. So ya , even the people "who are make money" according to the income disclosure, they're actually making less, unless they're up in the top 1%. The higher you get to the top of the pyramid the quicker you find out that you're scamming people since the only money coming in is from recruiting, the only suckers buying the majority of the product are the recruits, it's diabolical actually. You gotta have no morals to stay in these MLM cults, I'd just cut my loses once I figured out that I was scammed.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but regarding the whole "Inactive market partners bring down the averages!" argument against income discourse statement: Yes, that would be true for the overall average, which you mentioned at the top of the review, but otherwise, the rest of numbers are STILL broken down by rank, and those numbers are shit too, until you get to the very tippy-top! Any rank above the first rank is an indicator that the person is "working their business" to some extant, since ranking up entails recruitment AND sales. Also, IMO, I have always thought that the argument that a huge number of market partners, in this case 39% or almost 116,451 people, "only signed up for discount", simply STRAINS CREDULITY.
I CLICKED SO FAST (congrats on 40k and hope you are feeling better or are on the mend!) Oh my goodness .... i feel so bad for all the people working themselves physically and mentally to the ground for this... and then even when not even earning anything CLOSE to minimum wage, they're pressed to express gratitude at this "opportunity" to continue recruiting and enriching their up-lines at the cost of their own well being Hoping more MPs escape this sooner than later! They deserve so much better
Thank you for this! At the bottom of the statement, it says 0.45% of the 298,952 Market Partners participated in MONAT’s Motor Club. I wonder if the 298,952 includes inactive MPs as well. Either way, they have lost a lot of MPs because they used to have 400,000 at one point.
I was worried that 2021 would have been a really good year for them and would help them scam people because things would look good for them in 2021 but I was both surprised and happy to see that the yearly earnings was still dog poop when you compare before covi* to during when they had so many people joining that scam of theirs. Such a hot mess. Thanks for sharing.
Firstly, THANK YOU, for once again taking the time to put together such logical, thoughtful information to help people avoid getting caught in MLM schemes. Two questions: 1) Why do the companies even put out income statements? Anyone taking the time to read and interrupt can see that it's not a "good opportunity?" So why do MLMs who are otherwise so strategic about their efforts to get and keep people release these at all? 2) How do we know that the numbers they present in these are even accurate? I mean they do lie about the "great opportunity?" Thank you for your thoughts if you have a moment to weigh in and I completely understand if you don't. Please keep up the amazing content.
Hey! Great questions! Here's my speculations: 1. Some companies still may choose to put out an IDS (even though they're not required to) because it shows the earning potential of the company. Seeing those insanely large incomes in the top ranks is very enticing. People may be tempted to think "Oh my gosh, the top rank makes over a million dollars!" and perhaps believe that they can defy the odds and make it to those top ranks. Everyone wants to believe they are capable of something extraordinary and that they are the exception to the rule. For people who don't fully know how these business models operate, seeing the earning potential could entice them to join. Especially because they are falsely made to believe that people make it to the top based on "hard work". 2. Truthfully, I'm not sure how we know that they're accurate. That's a great question! I would assume the data would have to be verified by an outside source... but with how shady these companies are, I also wouldn't be surprised if there was no true way to verify their validity.
imagine working "part time" to make an average of 800 bucks PER YEAR. I can work literally 1 day a week and make 800 bucks A MONTH at my part time job 🤣
@@peachxtaehyung oh for sure! and if I had a business I would keep my private and business IG separate but these huns always gotta put videos of their cute kids all over their story and then be like BAM buy my fizzyyyyy stickssss!!!
You are so brilliant and (I believe) absolutely correct about why they choose to present the info the way they do. The number wouldn't be that different if they did only include active members!! Exactly!!!
If the opportunity isn't good now, then it never was good in the first place. We need more people like you Hannah to speak out against these sort of things.
This was so well explained and easy to understand even for me who math is my worst enemy. Well done Hannah!! And also, I think that Monat will be shut down within 3 years, they are on their downfall
Since they gave the exact percentage (or close to it, it's probably rounded but w/e), we can calculate the actual average income of active market partners, which is about $1362.30. 39% is a significant amount of people to take out of the equation, but $831 is pretty small so the result is still not great lol. please feel free to check my math, also sorry if someone else already said this!
Excellent analysis. I really have to wonder why Monat puts out all that revealing information. But I'm glad they do and you've done a great job of distilling it.
One of the things that I am hoping for with this public FTC commentary is that every single direct sales/multi level marketing/network selling company will be required to provide an income disclosure statement every single year by the end of the 1st quarter of the year (so by the end of March) and that they will have to create one that is based only on the active distributors/sellers and then, if they choose to, they can create an additional 1 that also includes the inactive people.
Oh my goodness considering the impromptu nature of this video, you must’ve absorbed and consolidated all of this information into a comprehensible and snappy lil video so damn fast! Go Hannah!! Clearly a teacher hehe 😎🤩
Thank you for releasing this video today! I'm driving from Texas to West Virginia and my kitty has been crying the whole time. Having your video on has been the quietest she's been so far.
It's so wild to me that less than half a percent make more than they would working a minimum wage job. Only MM and above have a Median Annual Gross Earnings above the federal minimum wage of $15.55/hr x 40/hr/week x 52 week/yr. And the Median No. of Months to Achieve Rank of MM is 12. So after a year, there's a chance you might make more than minimum wage.
We need more pyramid schemes than monat:) there are so many ! Have you ever done rodan and fields? I was in that one. Love ya! Keep fighting the good fight
Definitely! I base my content around the information people send me from different MLMs. If you have anything about Rodan + Fields you want me to cover, send it my way! Instructions are in the description box.
Wow!! This is breaking news for sure. I can only hope to ever be half as well spoken as you Hannah. 💯💖 Now I'll be keeping a close eye out for Young Living's income disclosure update.
Thank you for showing the actual numbers, those videos are always so dreadful. Especially when you consider that even the top 1% doesn't make ends meet. I mean, in the US, it's my understanding that low 5 figures is still not a living wage yearly. And the bottom 98% you highlighted still cuts out 3 ranks that make at best 17k a year. Which is barely more than 1k a month. In France where I live, this is less than minimum wage for a 35h/week job. Especially since it doesn't take into account expenses, which aren't just the mandatory pack to buy to join in, but also they buy each product before selling them. So they make a lot less than what is shown here. So dreadful what those pyramid schemes do to people.
Wow. I worked 12 hours a week at minimum wage for 3 months while in school just to look good on my PTA school application and made more than the average Monat person makes a year. That’s crazy!! Edit to add: I didn’t have to bust my butt to work this job, nor did I have to scam people. I actually tutored people so they could learn and understand the material so they could get better grades so they then could get a degree for a real job rather than a scam job that makes them lose money.
Woohoo! I’ve been waiting for a new video from my girl! I think I’ve binged all your others since recently discovering your channel. I love the mlm content. Love your down to earth, nice demeanor.
One time in the parking lot for my apartment complex I found a $20 bill blowing around. Less than 5 days later I found another $20 in the same parking lot. Crazy how that was more profitable than working as a Monat market partner for a year.
If 39% of 'MP's were inactive that means 61% were. If you take the median annual income and readjust for just that 61% it gives $1362.30 for a full year income. (Assuming I've not overlooked anything) And I'm pretty sure that doesn't take into account the massive amounts of spending on products, 'free gifts' for new sign ups and other costs. Not only that we all know the higher earners skew that average by there being so few of them. That's more than I thought but, boy, that's really not worth alienating your loved ones, spending all your time finding prospects, and all that other 'grifting'. And this is over all ranks!
Argh! How is this girl so damn pretty with no make up! It’s not fair on the rest of us! 🤣 (I’m being sarcastic it’s a British thing! Love this girl one of my favourite content creators)
Sometimes I wonder whether a visual representation like a screwed bell graph & a small explanation would help people understand the average/mean vs. median income. I know the basics of statistics well, but it can be hard thing to wrap your head around if you’ve not been taught it or had no incentive to really understand the difference between mean, median & mode properly in school. It could go in a video like this or deep dive. But, maybe I’m over thinking it. Thanks for the great content 😊
i checked the link to follow along and it took me to the main monat website. i was confused thinking they removed it, but nope, its linked at the bottom. which goes to... the 2020 statement. they havent even released the canada income disclosure yet...
The non-active members are almost all going to be at the bottom rank. They've never been able to go up any further. So the terrible numbers further up the chain can't really fall back on that. Edit: this is truly a great demonstration of the endless chain model as described by Robert Fitzpatrick in his book Ponzinomics. Which I absolutely recommend.
I wonder if the 2021 numbers for the higher ups are so much greater because they actually got to go on their incentive trips in 2021 so therefore those incentive trips were included in their income for 2021
I love statistical data, it's fascinating to me. Thanks for the video, very informative! :) Also, don't even worry about it being impromptu :3 You're honestly gorgeous with or without makeup :) And I love your content, so keep it coming! :D
They're pretty smart. They produce the income disclosure so it looks like they're being transparent. They add all of the "employees" together so that the number for the average agent thinks they'll be making more money.
aaaahhhh! I’ve been looking everywhere for the stats of how many people are actually active. I did an IG post about if you took out 50, 60 and 70% of inactive MP’s, the probability is still only 0.44% to make any money.
298,952 - That is the number of Market partners they have at the end of 2021. I want to know how many they have after Q1... Also - 46% were "inactive" in 2020 - 39% were "inactive" in 2021 That is quite a change.
A good question to ask is how are they defining an “Active” distributor? How can they ensure they are including folks that are trying to get their first customer/member of their down line?
Here's how the Monat IDS defines it: "An “Active” Market Partner is a Market Partner who earned any amount of commissions in the 2021 calendar year." Hope that helps!
Basically somebody could have had a commission sale in January and not had a single commission sale for the rest of the year and on the Come disclosure statement for that year they will be included as an active member/distributor because they earned commissions at least one point in time during that year.
Simultaneously, this also means that all the inactive distributors are broken up among people who have joined at any point in the year and not had a commission sale.. Including those who joined towards the last couple of months of the year because they are told and convinced that they have an opportunity to earn to earn an amazing amount of holiday spending money to be able to afford to get their kids or their family presents.
Hannah, I've been mostly ignoring social media, including anti MLM content, ever since my baby (my sweet sweet, loving dog) passed away this Sunday, just writing this breaks my heart all over again, but this is a subject I've been waiting for a while and honestly didn't even think they would disclose it... thank you in advance for hopefully make me laugh for a little while.
Hi Hannah, since I have started watching antimlm around 2014 I think, but never got into touch with anyone that I was in contact with, just my mother who has always been "special", at least to me, I just wonder if you or anyone in the comments noticed recently that adsense is more about it than ever before (maybe just my country in central Europe). It is in my mother tongue, of course, and I don`t even know how I could approach anyone about this being harmful. Maybe there is some FB group or other forum raising awareness? I think there is enough pain around as it is, nothing else needed.
I was a Monat MP I joined at the end of 2019, I made some money but not enough to quit my day job. It’s definitely a pyramid scheme, I quit being a mp back in November of 2021. This company is definitely crumbling.
Or it could be that the lower parts of the 1% are leaving. Like you said in other videos, those ranks are difficult to maintain because the only barely make enough to offset the costs. This would also explain why the tip is making more because they don’t have to divide the money as much.
I see your alls videos, I see the women boasting about it and I see the statistics and each time I’m like what kind of mental deformity do they have where they think they’re on top of the world?😓
MLMs are literally a gamble based on when you got into the company. They should be forced to operate with a gambling license per state at the very least.
I find it interesting how this statement is included in here. Which is a play on words to cover up a lie. "Success with MONAT Global results only from successful sales efforts, which require hard work, diligence, skill, persistence, competence, and leadership. Your success will depend upon how well you exercise these qualities." Success is a result of recruitment but they hide it with their leadership statement. But honestly, it is a straight-up lie because you MUST recruit to make higher ranks and more money regardless of if your recruit makes sales or not. IN no real company does the success of a sales job RELY on leadership. Being a successful salesperson and a leader are different skills.
I got paid about double the amount (~57USD) those huns got for a year just from a one day volunteer shift, I'd much rather do that than getting paid 21 dollars a year 😅😅
To figure out the average of those that earn $$ all you have to do is 1-0.41, if 41% is not active, and then multiple the original average value by 1.59 to account for the active members.
Don‘t mind me… I am just on my paid time off holidays in Cyprus at the beach right now, knowing that I do not have to care for my job this whole week and do not have to „wOrK fRoM mY pHoNe AnYwHeRe“ 😂 in order to maintain my frequent income (which is waaaaay higher than this bullsh*t) 😂😂
Do you know if Monat also had price increases between 2020 and 2021? Because due to inflation, their buying power got lower across the Board. Wondering if that is also true specifically for the Monat products as well.
Is this not the same model of every big business and corporation in America? The top percent get paid the most and the people at the bottom makes pennies compared to them? I understand the idea of a pyramid scheme but it seems like this is not limited to just MLMs.
Does it go based on their Fiscal year and not calendar year. I think the end of April is the end of their fiscal year, so it would make sense why it’s just coming out now
I wish the FTC would make it mandatory for reps to state, "There is a 99% chance you will not make any money. You may even lose money. I am asking you to join me so that my chance of earning might be increased." It should be mandatory that this statement is verbalized and or quoted in every video or social media post they make regarding their "business". And it should be mandatory that it must be stated at a slow pace or in text that is legible and remains on the screen long enough to be read clearly.
This is the best idea I have ever heard. It should be the first thing that they have to say. So many vulnerable people would save a lot of time if they had heard these words first. Hell, they should have to have a signed copy of the statement saying they understand this information and have been given a copy of the earning disclosure statement.
Honestly... love it. It's a 100% truthful statement, yet could you imagine how detrimental that would be for building teams?
@@bluejenn30 oh that's even better!!!
@@bluejenn30 They should have to sign something saying they were given a copy of the income disclosure statement AND that it was adequately explained to them imo. That way the huns will have to be educated on how the statement works and what it indicates so they can explain it to others...and maybe that will lead to a dramatic decrease in mlm reps as well as in new recruits ;D
Yes! This is awesome! MLMs would go out of business fast if this was required.
Now I'm really curious if those girls who were posting nonstop about being Monat lifers are getting paid more than $21... Because $21 a year? For life???
Ah but I’m sure they have rich husbands to support them!
I'm sure they are because I refuse to believe that they are that dumb and say lifer for $21 a year.
Even some of the higher ranks were only a few thousand BEFORE costs! That’s not enough to make all the time they spend worth it at all!
I don’t understand the statement I watched the paparzazzi one and I made much more than that. And I didn’t have a team ( I didn’t even know about team stuff ) I just bought and sold so I’m really confused
@@KimOldfieldRealtor are you in Monat or Paparazzi?
I would never, ever join a company that only gives me a 1 in 50 shot of even paying me for my time and financial investment. It’s crazy that they’re even allowed to operate!
That's why its a legal pyramid scheme. The money is in recruiting, the products are just the loophole that keeps the government off their back.
Also keep in mind that these income disclosures don't include the money that these dingbats spent to keep their rank every month. Its easy to move up in rank when you sign up everyone and your grandma, but its not sustainable, and thats how you end up spending more than what you get paid, never mind in some cases now you're stuck with a car payment.
There was an ex MLM'r who said that she was spending well over $1000 a month just to keep her rank and also keep her $500 car "bonus"coming.
So ya , even the people "who are make money" according to the income disclosure, they're actually making less, unless they're up in the top 1%.
The higher you get to the top of the pyramid the quicker you find out that you're scamming people since the only money coming in is from recruiting, the only suckers buying the majority of the product are the recruits, it's diabolical actually. You gotta have no morals to stay in these MLM cults, I'd just cut my loses once I figured out that I was scammed.
I agree! I personally need at least a 10-20% chance of being paid :)
Imagine going into a job interview and that’s what the hiring manager says… 1 in 50 you’ll get paid. Now how does THAT sound? 😏😂😂
Oof.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but regarding the whole "Inactive market partners bring down the averages!" argument against income discourse statement: Yes, that would be true for the overall average, which you mentioned at the top of the review, but otherwise, the rest of numbers are STILL broken down by rank, and those numbers are shit too, until you get to the very tippy-top! Any rank above the first rank is an indicator that the person is "working their business" to some extant, since ranking up entails recruitment AND sales.
Also, IMO, I have always thought that the argument that a huge number of market partners, in this case 39% or almost 116,451 people, "only signed up for discount", simply STRAINS CREDULITY.
I CLICKED SO FAST (congrats on 40k and hope you are feeling better or are on the mend!)
Oh my goodness .... i feel so bad for all the people working themselves physically and mentally to the ground for this... and then even when not even earning anything CLOSE to minimum wage, they're pressed to express gratitude at this "opportunity" to continue recruiting and enriching their up-lines at the cost of their own well being
Hoping more MPs escape this sooner than later! They deserve so much better
Thank you for this! At the bottom of the statement, it says 0.45% of the 298,952 Market Partners participated in MONAT’s Motor Club. I wonder if the 298,952 includes inactive MPs as well. Either way, they have lost a lot of MPs because they used to have 400,000 at one point.
I was worried that 2021 would have been a really good year for them and would help them scam people because things would look good for them in 2021 but I was both surprised and happy to see that the yearly earnings was still dog poop when you compare before covi* to during when they had so many people joining that scam of theirs. Such a hot mess. Thanks for sharing.
Firstly, THANK YOU, for once again taking the time to put together such logical, thoughtful information to help people avoid getting caught in MLM schemes. Two questions:
1) Why do the companies even put out income statements? Anyone taking the time to read and interrupt can see that it's not a "good opportunity?" So why do MLMs who are otherwise so strategic about their efforts to get and keep people release these at all?
2) How do we know that the numbers they present in these are even accurate? I mean they do lie about the "great opportunity?"
Thank you for your thoughts if you have a moment to weigh in and I completely understand if you don't. Please keep up the amazing content.
Hey! Great questions! Here's my speculations:
1. Some companies still may choose to put out an IDS (even though they're not required to) because it shows the earning potential of the company. Seeing those insanely large incomes in the top ranks is very enticing. People may be tempted to think "Oh my gosh, the top rank makes over a million dollars!" and perhaps believe that they can defy the odds and make it to those top ranks. Everyone wants to believe they are capable of something extraordinary and that they are the exception to the rule. For people who don't fully know how these business models operate, seeing the earning potential could entice them to join. Especially because they are falsely made to believe that people make it to the top based on "hard work".
2. Truthfully, I'm not sure how we know that they're accurate. That's a great question! I would assume the data would have to be verified by an outside source... but with how shady these companies are, I also wouldn't be surprised if there was no true way to verify their validity.
Had a horrible day, then you dropped this. Now I'm all better.
We ❤️ it when Hannah comes at us with the Math
Thank you for doing this despite you not planning to film and was going to relax!!! We appreciate you!!! And omg!!! $800 something on average?!? 😯
imagine working "part time" to make an average of 800 bucks PER YEAR. I can work literally 1 day a week and make 800 bucks A MONTH at my part time job 🤣
@@MrsMuffin11 right??? Like oh yeah this is such an "opportunity" alright! 🙄🙄🤣🤣🤣
@@peachxtaehyung and I dont have to sell out my Instagram 🤣
@@MrsMuffin11 I mean if you have a small real business there's nothing wrong with that BUT if you're in an MLM then yeah 🤣🤣
@@peachxtaehyung oh for sure! and if I had a business I would keep my private and business IG separate but these huns always gotta put videos of their cute kids all over their story and then be like BAM buy my fizzyyyyy stickssss!!!
You are so brilliant and (I believe) absolutely correct about why they choose to present the info the way they do. The number wouldn't be that different if they did only include active members!! Exactly!!!
Excellent analysis. When you get more time, I hope you'll be able to generate a longer time sequence for the IDS as you did with Plexus.
I would love to do that!
If the opportunity isn't good now, then it never was good in the first place. We need more people like you Hannah to speak out against these sort of things.
Bad day at work, I saw this got posted while working and I need it so badly 😩 you are my stress diffuser Hannah
This was so well explained and easy to understand even for me who math is my worst enemy. Well done Hannah!!
And also, I think that Monat will be shut down within 3 years, they are on their downfall
I'm having trouble understanding my stats class and the business one, this helped me a lot understanding haha
Since they gave the exact percentage (or close to it, it's probably rounded but w/e), we can calculate the actual average income of active market partners, which is about $1362.30. 39% is a significant amount of people to take out of the equation, but $831 is pretty small so the result is still not great lol. please feel free to check my math, also sorry if someone else already said this!
Thank you for taking the time out of your day to film this video and share this information!
Excellent analysis. I really have to wonder why Monat puts out all that revealing information. But I'm glad they do and you've done a great job of distilling it.
One of the things that I am hoping for with this public FTC commentary is that every single direct sales/multi level marketing/network selling company will be required to provide an income disclosure statement every single year by the end of the 1st quarter of the year (so by the end of March) and that they will have to create one that is based only on the active distributors/sellers and then, if they choose to, they can create an additional 1 that also includes the inactive people.
Thanks for reporting so quickly! Good job!
Oh my goodness considering the impromptu nature of this video, you must’ve absorbed and consolidated all of this information into a comprehensible and snappy lil video so damn fast! Go Hannah!! Clearly a teacher hehe 😎🤩
Thank you for releasing this video today! I'm driving from Texas to West Virginia and my kitty has been crying the whole time. Having your video on has been the quietest she's been so far.
Hannah the kitty whisperer! Haha drive safe!
It's so wild to me that less than half a percent make more than they would working a minimum wage job. Only MM and above have a Median Annual Gross Earnings above the federal minimum wage of $15.55/hr x 40/hr/week x 52 week/yr. And the Median No. of Months to Achieve Rank of MM is 12. So after a year, there's a chance you might make more than minimum wage.
We need more pyramid schemes than monat:) there are so many ! Have you ever done rodan and fields? I was in that one. Love ya! Keep fighting the good fight
Definitely! I base my content around the information people send me from different MLMs. If you have anything about Rodan + Fields you want me to cover, send it my way! Instructions are in the description box.
Wow!! This is breaking news for sure.
I can only hope to ever be half as well spoken as you Hannah. 💯💖
Now I'll be keeping a close eye out for Young Living's income disclosure update.
Thank you for showing the actual numbers, those videos are always so dreadful. Especially when you consider that even the top 1% doesn't make ends meet. I mean, in the US, it's my understanding that low 5 figures is still not a living wage yearly. And the bottom 98% you highlighted still cuts out 3 ranks that make at best 17k a year. Which is barely more than 1k a month. In France where I live, this is less than minimum wage for a 35h/week job. Especially since it doesn't take into account expenses, which aren't just the mandatory pack to buy to join in, but also they buy each product before selling them. So they make a lot less than what is shown here. So dreadful what those pyramid schemes do to people.
Realife use of middle school math “means, median, mode”. I’ve used you as an example for my son, as to why it’s useful to learn.
I'm so excited for this upload and I'm so happy you posted this video. Love this so much!❤️
Hannah we love a Anti-MLM queen like yourself that dishes the dirt in pjs! ❤️
We’ll finally in that income disclosure statement!!! Truly hope the downfall of Monat continues to come !
So excited to catch this as soon as it dropped 💓🥰
Wow. I worked 12 hours a week at minimum wage for 3 months while in school just to look good on my PTA school application and made more than the average Monat person makes a year. That’s crazy!!
Edit to add: I didn’t have to bust my butt to work this job, nor did I have to scam people. I actually tutored people so they could learn and understand the material so they could get better grades so they then could get a degree for a real job rather than a scam job that makes them lose money.
Great analysis. I love watching you!
You hit the nail on the head - it's 100% about plausible deniability.
Woohoo! I’ve been waiting for a new video from my girl! I think I’ve binged all your others since recently discovering your channel. I love the mlm content. Love your down to earth, nice demeanor.
HELLO I'M HERE FOR THE TEA PARTY
You could probably make more money looking for change on the ground than doing this, and it doesn’t even require you to buy overpriced shampoo.
TRUE 🤣🤣
One time in the parking lot for my apartment complex I found a $20 bill blowing around. Less than 5 days later I found another $20 in the same parking lot. Crazy how that was more profitable than working as a Monat market partner for a year.
@@DuhLikeTotally screaming 🤣🤣🤣
I love finding loose change! I found a penny today! I don't mind picking up even the smallest bit. I keep a jar on my dresser for such.
I wish more people in the latin community knew about this information, although this info is great for everyone.
Thank you for the thorough dive and explanation of how it works!! Super interesting and your voice is very nice to listen to explain these things! xx
Wow! 😳 Thanks, Hannah, as always for your content. 😁❤️
I would live to see the numbers on how long all the top earners have been part of Monat. How many 'fresh' people are at the top?
If 39% of 'MP's were inactive that means 61% were. If you take the median annual income and readjust for just that 61% it gives $1362.30 for a full year income. (Assuming I've not overlooked anything)
And I'm pretty sure that doesn't take into account the massive amounts of spending on products, 'free gifts' for new sign ups and other costs.
Not only that we all know the higher earners skew that average by there being so few of them.
That's more than I thought but, boy, that's really not worth alienating your loved ones, spending all your time finding prospects, and all that other 'grifting'. And this is over all ranks!
Short but EXACTLY to the POINT 🎉
Argh! How is this girl so damn pretty with no make up! It’s not fair on the rest of us! 🤣 (I’m being sarcastic it’s a British thing! Love this girl one of my favourite content creators)
You've make my math-teacher heart so happy! Well done with explaining the stats! ❤️
Oh I cannot WAIT for these numbers. 🍿
Sometimes I wonder whether a visual representation like a screwed bell graph & a small explanation would help people understand the average/mean vs. median income. I know the basics of statistics well, but it can be hard thing to wrap your head around if you’ve not been taught it or had no incentive to really understand the difference between mean, median & mode properly in school. It could go in a video like this or deep dive. But, maybe I’m over thinking it. Thanks for the great content 😊
i checked the link to follow along and it took me to the main monat website. i was confused thinking they removed it, but nope, its linked at the bottom. which goes to... the 2020 statement. they havent even released the canada income disclosure yet...
The non-active members are almost all going to be at the bottom rank. They've never been able to go up any further. So the terrible numbers further up the chain can't really fall back on that.
Edit: this is truly a great demonstration of the endless chain model as described by Robert Fitzpatrick in his book Ponzinomics. Which I absolutely recommend.
Incredibly clear and important explanation! Thank you for breaking it down for us, Hannah.
the way i gasped when I saw this in my suggested on a Sav Marie video
Wow that’s crazy! Could you go over the Amway income statement one day?
I jumped on this one and am very excited to watch and see this!
I don’t think you possibly could have done a better job explaining this! The figures are damning for Monat
I wonder if the 2021 numbers for the higher ups are so much greater because they actually got to go on their incentive trips in 2021 so therefore those incentive trips were included in their income for 2021
I've wonder this as well! Aren't incentives considered income and therefore taxable? I'm sure it's included.
❤️❤️ when Hannah talks numbers! 😍
for the algorithm
I love statistical data, it's fascinating to me. Thanks for the video, very informative! :)
Also, don't even worry about it being impromptu :3 You're honestly gorgeous with or without makeup :) And I love your content, so keep it coming! :D
Saw the title and grabbed my popcorn and wine immediately. Let’s do this.
They're pretty smart. They produce the income disclosure so it looks like they're being transparent. They add all of the "employees" together so that the number for the average agent thinks they'll be making more money.
Sweet, short and informative! Loved it!
aaaahhhh! I’ve been looking everywhere for the stats of how many people are actually active.
I did an IG post about if you took out 50, 60 and 70% of inactive MP’s, the probability is still only 0.44% to make any money.
Wow, mind blown. There it is in black and white.
Thanks for this. I am working on my horror story and reading the income disclosure with this info in mind is helpful.
298,952 - That is the number of Market partners they have at the end of 2021. I want to know how many they have after Q1...
Also
- 46% were "inactive" in 2020
- 39% were "inactive" in 2021
That is quite a change.
A good question to ask is how are they defining an “Active” distributor? How can they ensure they are including folks that are trying to get their first customer/member of their down line?
I’ve always wondered this too!!
Here's how the Monat IDS defines it: "An “Active” Market Partner is a Market Partner who earned any amount of commissions in the 2021 calendar year."
Hope that helps!
@@HannahAlonzo so it could be people still trying to get their first customer/recruit 👀 at-least some of them.
Basically somebody could have had a commission sale in January and not had a single commission sale for the rest of the year and on the Come disclosure statement for that year they will be included as an active member/distributor because they earned commissions at least one point in time during that year.
Simultaneously, this also means that all the inactive distributors are broken up among people who have joined at any point in the year and not had a commission sale.. Including those who joined towards the last couple of months of the year because they are told and convinced that they have an opportunity to earn to earn an amazing amount of holiday spending money to be able to afford to get their kids or their family presents.
Oh I’ve been waiting for this one
I wonder how come other MLMs have yet to disclose their income disclosure? Like ColorStreet, which only has 2020!
It's good to do your due diligence
some girl I went to middle school hit me up like a week ago and I saw she works for this company and all I could do was laugh.
Thank you for the breaking news!!!
Hannah, I've been mostly ignoring social media, including anti MLM content, ever since my baby (my sweet sweet, loving dog) passed away this Sunday, just writing this breaks my heart all over again, but this is a subject I've been waiting for a while and honestly didn't even think they would disclose it... thank you in advance for hopefully make me laugh for a little while.
i'm so sorry 🌻
I am so sorry to hear. I know the feeling. 💐
I’m so sorry to hear that Bee. Thinking of you ❤️
I'm so sorry for your loss Bee.
Hi Hannah, since I have started watching antimlm around 2014 I think, but never got into touch with anyone that I was in contact with, just my mother who has always been "special", at least to me, I just wonder if you or anyone in the comments noticed recently that adsense is more about it than ever before (maybe just my country in central Europe). It is in my mother tongue, of course, and I don`t even know how I could approach anyone about this being harmful. Maybe there is some FB group or other forum raising awareness? I think there is enough pain around as it is, nothing else needed.
Off topic but your eyes are just so pretty
I was a Monat MP I joined at the end of 2019, I made some money but not enough to quit my day job. It’s definitely a pyramid scheme, I quit being a mp back in November of 2021. This company is definitely crumbling.
I love that the ads that TH-cam has decided to use for these videos are for MLM's.... TH-cam....MLMs suck!!!!!!
very informative. great job Hannah.
My daughter inlaw and granddaughter use Monat shampoo and conditioner. Their hair grows fast and looks beautiful!!!
how did I miss this!?!?!!!!!!
Or it could be that the lower parts of the 1% are leaving. Like you said in other videos, those ranks are difficult to maintain because the only barely make enough to offset the costs. This would also explain why the tip is making more because they don’t have to divide the money as much.
Let's watch them fall!
I don't know anyone who has ever used or sold MONAT where I live. I have only ever heard about it from TH-cam.
I mean, was there ever a doubt??!
Wow, the median earnings for most of the reps increased by $21! 🤑😅
I see your alls videos, I see the women boasting about it and I see the statistics and each time I’m like what kind of mental deformity do they have where they think they’re on top of the world?😓
Cool. And how much do they spend in product/year to stay active lol
MLMs are literally a gamble based on when you got into the company. They should be forced to operate with a gambling license per state at the very least.
I find it interesting how this statement is included in here. Which is a play on words to cover up a lie. "Success with MONAT Global results only from successful sales efforts, which require hard work, diligence, skill, persistence, competence, and leadership. Your success will depend upon how well you exercise these qualities." Success is a result of recruitment but they hide it with their leadership statement. But honestly, it is a straight-up lie because you MUST recruit to make higher ranks and more money regardless of if your recruit makes sales or not. IN no real company does the success of a sales job RELY on leadership. Being a successful salesperson and a leader are different skills.
NO NOTES. CHEF'S KISS.
Hahaha thank you Michelle!! I’m usually Miss. Notes over here but this was kind of fun to just wing it!
I got paid about double the amount (~57USD) those huns got for a year just from a one day volunteer shift, I'd much rather do that than getting paid 21 dollars a year 😅😅
To figure out the average of those that earn $$ all you have to do is 1-0.41, if 41% is not active, and then multiple the original average value by 1.59 to account for the active members.
Don‘t mind me…
I am just on my paid time off holidays in Cyprus at the beach right now, knowing that I do not have to care for my job this whole week and do not have to „wOrK fRoM mY pHoNe AnYwHeRe“ 😂 in order to maintain my frequent income (which is waaaaay higher than this bullsh*t) 😂😂
Before the vid I got an ad for network marketing, how to grow your online business and become a girl boss. TH-cam algorithm you got it soo wrong
commenting for the algorithm!! FOR LIFE! 🤣 #HAlifers
Do you know if Monat also had price increases between 2020 and 2021? Because due to inflation, their buying power got lower across the Board. Wondering if that is also true specifically for the Monat products as well.
I'm not sure if they had an increase between 2020 and 2021, but I do know that they're increasing their prices in 2022.
What if someone sits at rank1 for 6months and rank 2 for 6months. What rank would they be under in the disclosure form?
Is this not the same model of every big business and corporation in America? The top percent get paid the most and the people at the bottom makes pennies compared to them? I understand the idea of a pyramid scheme but it seems like this is not limited to just MLMs.
Does it go based on their Fiscal year and not calendar year. I think the end of April is the end of their fiscal year, so it would make sense why it’s just coming out now
Ohhhh this is going to be interesting haha