The flame king does not have a pin that needs to be depressed, the fuel keg does. The pin on the flame king adapter, is to prevent the filling of non-flame king bottles, nothing else. The fuel keg does have an extra valve, that needs to be depressed for the bleeder to work. What this means is that you can refill flame king bottles with a generic adapter, but the fuel kegs, you can not. The adapter still has to have a 90 degree to properly fill the flame king bottles, so the tanks can both be vertical when filling.
Interesting, I am not able to open the purge valve on the Flame King unless the arm with the pin is attached. Is it a situation where it can be filled in the same way a normal green bottle can be refilled, meaning without actually purging the tank?
@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I'm not aware of there being different designs for the bleeder, but I guess it is possible. I have 10 flame king bottle, two of them being the 1/4lbs. All ten of them I can open the bleeder whether screwed onto the refill adapter or not. When refilling, many times I will open all the bleeders at the same time to let any residual pressure bleed off, so there is less pressure when refilling, thus they fill slightly faster.
@@ryanzanow8221 I just double checked and you are absolutely correct, the Flame King do open without the arm attached. Thanks for pointing that out! Do you have any particular "normal" arm that you would recommend?
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I point people to Amazon, with two I like to recommend. One is a solid arm that goes to a 90, and the other has a 3 foot hose on it that goes to a nice 90. Both have ball valves, so you dont have to hold onto them the entire time while filling. I use the hose model, so I can have the bulk tank and 1lbs tank sitting on the same surface, without a stand for the bulk. I've tried both mine and my buddy's, and I like both, but I favor the one with the hose. Thanks again for the video, man!
I use Fuel Kegs since I can get them at any Tractor Supply and they are in most towns in the South East. My Buddy Heater and fuel kegs are being used full time while overlanding North Carolina. Its been teens and lower with 35+mph wind gust and Ive stayed warm. I'm pretty loyal to Mr Heater after all they've donated to the people of West Carolina and the Appalachians
Thanks for the comment and it is great to see them stepping up to help the folks in need! We actually have a Tractor Supply about 10 minutes from the house.
FK? That Flame King or Fuel Keg? They're both Fk 😂. I use a Mr Heater Buddy Heater and fuel kegs overlanding full time right now and in sub freezing temps and 35+ mph winds, they've been stellar so far.
@@uwharriebigfoothunter Home Depot has the Flame King Refill Kit ( 3 bottles, stand, and fill valve) for under $80 plus tax. You have to order at most stores, but arrives fairly quick
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT. Propane is NOT replaced "by air" as it is used, nor are you "expelling air" as you refill it. "That thing" which is "replacing" the used LIQUID LP as you use it down, is simply VAPORIZED LP. What you are expelling as you refill the bottle is SOME OF the vaporized LP. This reduces pressure a small bit as the thing fills with liquid, and allows the liquid to enter, as well as the fact that the bleeder "picks up" liquid as the liquid rises, thus giving you a visual indication of fill. IT IS IMPORTANT for ANY liquid under pressure to have a vapor bubble in the container and IT IS IMPORTANT to weigh the filled container against it's tare (empty) weight.
@@fourfortyroadrunner6701 since you are so quick to point out a mistake, in a very rude and disrespectful way, how about looking at yourself, first! Sorry to say, but Vaporized Liquid Propane does not exist. That's kind of an oxymoron, actually. When propane is vaporized, it is in the physical state of being a GAS, and not a LIQUID. Also, when referring to propane in its LIQUID form, most people in an intelligent society do not refer to it as LIQUID LIQUID PROPANE. You really don't need to say or reference LIQUID twice. Smarten up, dude! At least use some intelligence when "trying" to call someone out, because your comment makes you look like a fool
@fourfortyroadrunner6701 since you are so quick to point out a mistake, in a very rude and disrespectful way, how about looking at yourself, first! Sorry to say, but Vaporized Liquid Propane does not exist. That's kind of an oxymoron, actually. When propane is vaporized, it is in the physical state of being a GAS, and not a LIQUID. Also, when referring to propane in its LIQUID form, most people in an intelligent society do not refer to it as LIQUID LIQUID PROPANE. You really don't need to say or reference LIQUID twice. Smarten up, dude! At least use some intelligence when "trying" to call someone out, because your comment makes you look like a fool
@fourfortyroadrunner6701 since you are so quick to point out a mistake, in a very rude and disrespectful way, how about looking at yourself, first! Sorry to say, but Vaporized Liquid Propane does not exist. That's kind of an oxymoron, actually. When propane is vaporized, it is in the physical state of being a GAS, and not a LIQUID. Also, when referring to propane in its LIQUID form, most people in an intelligent society do not refer to it as LIQUID LIQUID PROPANE. You really don't need to say or reference LIQUID twice. Smarten up, dude! At least use some intelligence when "trying" to call someone out, because your comment makes you look like a fool
@fourfortyroadrunner6701 since you are so quick to point out a mistake, in a very rude and disrespectful way, how about looking at yourself, first! Sorry to say, but Vaporized Liquid Propane does not exist. That's kind of an oxymoron, actually. When propane is vaporized, it is in the physical state of being a GAS, and not a LIQUID. Also, when referring to propane in its LIQUID form, most people in an intelligent society do not refer to it as LIQUID LIQUID PROPANE. You really don't need to say or reference LIQUID twice. Smarten up, dude! At least use some intelligence when "trying" to call someone out, because your comment makes you look like a fool
Good information for comparison. I have been using the Flame King system for several years and never had a problem. Each FK bottle comes with its own Allen wrench so you never have to look for extras if you have a few bottles. If I were looking for a new system, I would still buy the Flame King unit as it has served me well.
I too have used mine for a couple of years with no problem. I tape the Allen wrench to the stand and leave them on the bottle for any newer bottles. Having both means that you can grab whichever bottles are on sale when you need more. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Went to a Menards for the first time while vacationing. We don’t have them in East Tennessee. Was amazed at the inventory and ended up phasing a few things I couldn’t pass up!
Let me correct you. when you use up the propane in a 1lb bottle, it doesn't fill with air. it is just the propane gas that has lost the pressure to push it out. so, when your purging the refillable bottle, your expelling gas until the propane reaches the top of the bottle.
@jiminsav nobody wants to listen to your bullshit when you start with "let me correct you". The fact that it's propane gas rather that "air" is also irrelevant to the video and nobody cares. Hope you felt superior posting that comment.
Definitely a thumbs up and a subscription! Excellent review very good!!! I just been working on a playlist for 2 or 3 hours here on the dangers of propane in North Carolina and Tennessee people living out in the tents now hundreds of little buddy heaters out their thousands of them probably and I hate propane for heating!!!
I've got 2 flame kings and they both leak from the main valve. They don't leak if screwed onto the device immediately after filling, so they are usable. I was thinking about the fuel keg but it requires the special filling adapter $25. Flame king can use any adapter. I just tape the Allen to the bottle.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I bought them in 2023. They started leaking after about two month. The leak coming from the main valve mechanism. Perhaps some debris or dirt is causing the valve to stick open or maybe the valve is defective. Yesterday I sent an email to flame king and they responded.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I got them sometime in 2023 but they started leaking after about 2 months. I sent an email to flame king yesterday and they responded. I think some dirt or debris got into the valves causing the valves to not fully close, or perhaps both valves are defective.
You might just need an o-ring kit from Flameking. I had one like that, and they sent me out a kit, free of charge, as my bottle was under warranty. Get ahold of them, they might sned out a couple of kits to you as well.
My thoughts are to consider 1, what conditions are the containers going to be used in 2, how portable is your refilling station going to be. 3, availability in the area you plan to use it I don’t see a significant difference in cost to make the difference. The flame king uses the wrench and doesn’t have anything extra protruding to get broken or banged open. So it may be more desirable if rough handling or transportation is involved. The fuel keg has the easier to use valve that doesn’t require a tool, but could theoretically be easier to damage . The connection to the tank could probably be easily changed if you don’t like the “wiggle” The “stands” could easily be interchangeable depending if your refill station is basically permanent or you take it with you. I’ll likely get both as they aren’t particularly expensive or take up much room that way I can take advantage of whatever refills are available or if a buddy is carrying something different than me. I don’t use much propane at the moment and if my needs happen to increase, I would probably just use the larger tank and a hose. At some point the disposable options will probably be legislated away, so having some of these before that happens is a good idea. Great video 👍😎
I think both bottles have their advantages. I like the purge valve on the fuel keg better because it doesn't require a small tool that can get lost. Like you, I prefer the Flameking stand and that's what I use... They're both good bottled and I use both. However... When your fuel canister bottle empties. The space is not filled with air... Propane is in liquid form and kept that way by being under pressure. However what you're using is the vapor. As you use the propane vapor. The pressure drops in the bottle causing some of the liquid propane to boil into
I put my disposeable bottles in the freezer when they are empty, and when they are freezing cold, I refill them. I seem to get a whole pound in them with no venting. "One shot, one kill" :-)
@@howtogetoutofbabylon8978 Although it would not be as stable I think that would work. I know you can buy the Flame King fueling arm separately so that would work, but depending on the price of the kit a fuel arm and bottle might be the same price.
Question - Are they interchangeable? Will a Flame King filler fit on and fill a fuel Keg bottle ?? I assume from the video it will not. I also saw the two bottles cut open and Fuel Keg had a better rust prevention coating. That may mean nothing as a sample size of one is next to nothing. Fuel Keg bottle also weighed a tad bit more and might have a thicker shell.
No, the two systems are not compatible. Flame King valve has a plastic piece to prevent one from filling disposable bottles. Fuel Keg's valve has a metal pin which must depress a recessed safety valve (which is in series with the manual release valve) on the Fuel Keg cannister. The Pin prevents one from filling disposable bottles as well as the Flame King bottles, since there's no where for the PIN to go when the fitting is tightened onto the bottle.
@@mattwaters6987 (sigh) Thank you. I was afraid they were proprietary and not interchangeable. Still like the FuelKeg a bit better. Need to check the fit in other devices.
@@allenshepard7992 Yes, I was hoping they were but no cigar. One thing you could do is buy the Fuel Keg refill kit and then add a Flame King refill tube as it is sold separately. Then you will be able to pick up bottles when on sale or refill your friend's bottles regardless of which they have.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 What is it that doesn't match up? They both have to fit on the 20 lb bottle. So that's the same. Both have you fit the 1 lb propane bottle so that's the same. How can they be proprietary and different this not interchangeable? What am I missing?
If you buy a valve stem extractor tool like tire shops use, you can take out the valve, drill a hole in it and recycle it. Get a good quality valve tool.
I have the flame king bottles and using a generic filler nozzle that has no allignment pin and works great with the 2m allen wrench to bleed, I assume i could use the fuel keg the same way.
The flame king does not have a pin that needs to be depressed, the fuel keg does. The pin on the flame king adapter, is to prevent the filling of non-flame king bottles, nothing else. The fuel keg does have an extra valve, that needs to be depressed for the bleeder to work. What this means is that you can refill flame king bottles with a generic adapter, but the fuel kegs, you can not. The adapter still has to have a 90 degree to properly fill the flame king bottles, so the tanks can both be vertical when filling.
Personally I think the flame king bottle is better because the bleeder valve can't be accidentally knocked open, whereas with the fuel keg bottle, the ring can be knocked or jostled open during transit from your point 'A' to your point 'B'. I think the added safety of needing the allen key to open the bleeder valve on the flame king far outways any perceived convenience of the easy access, easy open (therefore easy leak) system on the fuel keg. Doing things safer is always better than convenience.
Good review how ever I recently bought some fuel kegs because they were cheaper than the FK's and when I used the FK filler the keg would not purge because the FK, on the inside of the neck, doesn't have the pin that depresses a detent that allows the purge valve to open. Did I not line it up or won't it work without using the fuel keg filler system?
Thanks for dropping by. You have discovered that the purge lock is not the same on each of the bottles and they will not work with the other brands filling arm. Sadly you will have to grab a Fuel Keg filling kit for those bottles which isn't very expensive.
Has this issue (discovered by another user) been resolved? 6 days ago Fuelkegs have a flaw during the welding part. Sometimes the welders leave the beads inside the tank without cleaning them out. And they get stuck in the valve if you turn the tank upside down. I ordered 4 FuelKegs and only one of them didnt have the beads. You can shake them around to hear it. So i ordered 15 more of them to Home Depot so i can pick out 3 good ones. 10 of them were full of beads. One had only a small amount of beads, and 4 were perfect. I kept those 4. So now i have 5 perfect FuelKegs out of 19 ordered.
Sounds like Mr. Heater may need to do some QC work at the factory if this issue persists. No one should get a bottle that is not fit for purpose, ever.
I cannot answer that as I don't have your referenced heater. From a cylinder standpoint the Fuel Keg is slightly shorter and a bit fatter while the Flame King is taller and a slight bit thinner if that helps.
I use flame king but I bought a forklift fuel tank to refill my bottles. With a forklift propane tank you can get liquid fuel out of the top so no need to invert the bottle
Great idea and nice to see some recycling going on. Thanks for checking out the channel. I don;'t think I have ever seen a cordless hole punch, I will have to check that out!
👍 I use a 22 LR bullet - cost 3 1/2 cents. Savings to the Canadian government: $64.965 …. Problem Solved !!! I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night !!
Great comparison, I have 4 fuel kegs tanks, two work great , two the purge valve does not work. I'm not able to completely fill the tank with 1lb. of propane. Has anyone else had any issues like this, or know how to trouble shoot the issue. I've tried to contact the company but no response yet.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that purge did not open (initially). Tried connecting 4 times , bumped the filler lever to be sure gas going thru it. Changed the big bottle. Finally, I took small pin punch, gently pressed the pin down. With the ring in the open position. It felt stuck. I depressed it to bottom, no force, appears to have freed it up. Filled the keg, checked for leaks and put it away for future use. I guess empty it out and refill it, I'll see if it still works. Aggravating but not to point of downing the product..
I did that for five years. During that time, four canisters failed on me. A good thing I wasn't near an open flame. I've had good luck for those five years but now I've decided not to press my luck and I've gone all in on Flame King canisters. Yes, they cost money, but it's good insurance to not end up in a hospital burn unit.
@@sarahmorrill Great lesson for folks and a real life story that shows the importance of the level of engineering going into these bottles. Thanks for sharing and Happy New Year!
@@sarahmorrillGEE YA THINK. Can't believe the level of stupidity out there with those idiots refilling those green Disposable TANKS. It says right on the tank. Do not refill. God Almighty do you need a visit from Jesus himself to show you how close you idiots are to dying. One of those green tanks leaking near a open flame will get you a trip to the ER. PDQ . If you're lucky.
All your opinion. I like the fuel keg. Sturdier bottles and the check valve is sweet . No stupid Allen wrench to lose or strip out the valve screw. Won win fuel keg.
You cannot, it will not open the purge valve. You also cannot use the Fuel Keg adaptor on the Flame King bottle. But I have been told that you can use a generic refill hose on the Flame King bottle.
Sadly no, they are not compatible with each other. Thanks for checking out the video and the channel.
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.... something i noticed as soon as i saw the ring on the bleeder valve ... the Fuel Keg should have a cap like the other brand as it would protect the bleeder valve ring from snagging on something and discharging propane everywhere ... the ring is convenient but dangerous
I had the same thought when i first saw the ring but even if the ring is opened nothing will come out as the circuit is closed unless it is attached to the filling arm and the locking pin is depressed. So no worries from that regard.
i stopped use flame king cause the o-rings kept leaking after just a few times used so ive been using 20 lb tanks and hoses, if the new 1 lb works good i my het one to see for my self how long they last
ok i have a plan for mine when its empty i want to purge all the gas then wash it out and turn it into a lantern body using a grinder and drill then use welding wire to make a hanger so i can light up my back garden with candles.
Well if you define afraid as looking for something more convenient then yep, I am. I use both regularly and don't have an issue with either, the Fuel Keg is simply more convenient and removes the slight chance of misplacing the wrench.
@ I have not heard of gasket issues but did see one video of a Fuel Keg leaking and it appeared that the locking pin (which is opened by the filling nozzle) seemed to be stuck in the down position. I have not experienced this but maybe what you are referring to?
@@mikew8622 I wonder if it is the gasket that surrounds the pin, I will watch for this and see if anything goes amiss. I wonder if they had some issues early on with quality control?
@@meseahunt sadly no, they are specific to their bottles. You can buy the Fuel Keg refill kit and just the refill arm for the Flame King though for about the same price as the Flame King refill kit.
It definitely has yet to be seen and only time will tell as these get into the market and get some miles on them, but I am hoping both will prove to be rock solid. I have seen some videos (probably early on) where it appears the Fuel Key lock pin had stuck in the open position but I have not experienced that. Thanks for dropping by and commenting.
DOT-39 is a disposable canister designation. The Flame King and presumably the Fuel Keg are built to a 3AA or 3A reusable container standard. Also; the disposable DOT-39 bottles contain about 60% isobutane and 40% propane with some allowance for other trace gasses with a lower pressure curve than 100% propane.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 You done good. there is a LOT of misinformation about refilling DOT-39 canisters. Finding and reading the Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) is revealing. Couple that with the vapor temperatures of propane, isobutane and butane and the logic becomes more obvious. I started refilling "propane" canisters in the 1970s and is soon became obvious it was not safe. Only in the last 5 years have I been able to collect the data as to why.
I remember first coming to your channel when you reviewed the original flame king. I ought to buy one of these. We use a lot of 1LB bottles, and you're right. They're so wasteful.
I've invested in the Flame King and the Fuel Keg doesn't give me any incentive to change. As far as the allen wrench goes I bought one on Amazon that has a long stem with a large, orange triangular handle (less likely to lose). I could use a few more Flame King bottles and Menards didn't have any.
Standard canisters i just empty and porta band it in half and into the metal bin. Puncture and incinerate lol. I have both prefer the fuel key. Finding an allen and cheesy feel of the allen just doesn't feel like it's gonna last.
I have been happy with the Flame king for a few years now so think both have their advantages, but both are worth it to so whichever one you like better is the one for you!
I don't think air enters as you use the propane, rather, the propane pressure decreases to atmospheric pressure and gas stops flowing. Refilling is at higher pressure, so the liquid flows into the container.
You can use the generic $6 adapter to fill the Flame King canisters. The fact that the canister won't be vertical doesn't matter that much. However, using the Flame King adapter is much more convenient and is worth the $25. I bought the adapter without buying the stand. It's not that hard to overhang a table using a couple of bricks to keep the 20 lbs tank stable. Since I bought 16 Flame King bottles, I have 16 Allen wrenches so losing one or two isn't going to be a problem. I'm very happy with the Flame King canisters. I refilled the disposable Coleman canisters for five years without burning down my house but I've decided not to press my luck.
Yes someone else pointed out they use a generic one with a hose that they really like so I was going to check that out. Glad you didn't burn down your house! Have a Happy New Year.
Just to note, if your bottle isn't vertical when refilling, you will never get a proper fill. So yes, it does make a difference. On the Flameking bottles, there is a tube on the bleeder valve, inside the tank, that extends down a calculated and predetermined length. This is so that when filling, the tube will pick up and vent the liquid propane, telling the user to stop filling before the tank becomes overfilled. This also helps in not underfilling due to guessing when it might be the "proper amount." Just an FYI for everyone.
Thanks for the video. You pointed out a couple things I hadn't thought of. Just give up on the side camera angle. It's so impersonal, and I didn't like it the first time I saw someone do it.
Ya, the angles are something we are trying to keep from having too much of the same in the screen for too long. It is work in progress and I appreciate your thoughts on the topic and thanks for checking out the channel!
Flame King's cap has a gasket, Fuel Keg doesn't, the 3rd party brass caps w/gasket are a great upgrade. At least one poster had a Fuel Keg leaking (KISS), a simple set screw is a positive shut off.
Interesting, I am surprised one of the bottles would be leaking. I don't have the brass caps for the FK but have seen them on the site. I really have not had any problem with either system and just tape the Allen wrench to the refill stand and it is always there.
There was a recall of some bottles sold between 2013 and 2016, you are correct. Here is a link to the CPSC Notice. www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2017/YSN-Imports-Recalls-Refillable-Propane-Cylinders Thanks for watching and taking the time to make folks aware of this issue if they have older bottles on hand.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I totally agree with your premise as well. I"m certified in TX to work on RV propane systems and TX is biting at the bit to ban the green canisters on the lack of refill safety and recycling. We know they are sold by the pallet. I"m not a fan of big gov and so it can be considered a broken clock that's right twice a day - in this case CA called it right. Your review of both systems are spot on... based on what works for me as I said, I'll go with Fuel Keg when I burn through my green tanks!
Yeah, not really. Each cylinder has to be depressurized before the pbrass fitings can be removed and the metal recycled. that takes labor and all it's associated costs.
**CORRECTION** When a pressurized propane bottle is being used, the fuel is not being replaced with air. This occurs with Non-pressurized liquid fuels. Air connot enter a pressurized vessel until the pressure inside equals the pressure outside the vessel. Air only enters the propane tank once it has been fully depleted. This is the Air that the purge valve is venting, as well as already vaporized gas so that you can get the tank filled up to the proper level. Without venting you would get much less full in the tank
One of the other commenters mentioned they use a refilling hose on the Flame King (won't work on Fuel Keg) and he really likes that. Have a Happy New Year.
Prices seem to vary widely online with some veering into the ridiculous. Flame King's website has a 4 bottle bundle for $59.99 which works out to under $15 per bottle. Here is a link to Amazon where a single bottle is $18.04 amzn.to/4fMXGac Lowes and Home Depot look like they have them too (online for sure) at a bit higher price (but still starting at $18.xx)
At time mark 5:03: Air (oxygen) should never be able to enter any of these bottles. There is always some kind of positive pressure in the tank. Even an empty will have a small amount of pressure keeping any air out.
You are correct, but I have never found it to be an issue when using. I think though that both of the kits could be a bit more robust and stable, but again, in use it has never been an issue for me. Have you had any negative issues with the stand? Have a Happy New Year!
The Flame King bottle is labeled Made in Thailand. The Fuel Keg bottle is Made in India. The Fuel Keg refill kit labeled Made in China. I no longer have the Flame King refill kit box so cannot confirm origin.
Yes you are correct, I misspoke. Each of the bottles has a "lock" on the purge valve circuit. This lock is unlocked by the fueling arm and each brand has a unique pin design to unlock their bottle. The arms are not interchangeable with the other brand's bottles.
Fuel keg is far better than flame king, when you cut the tank open flame king have rusted, fuel keg have better coating to prevent rust. Fuel keg will last longer than flame king.
Interesting insight, it would be interesting to see how many users have had issues with their Flame King cylinders that are rust related. One thing we all need to remember is that these cylinders do need (or are supposed to be) rectified after a period of time but I suspect the never happens. I would have no idea how/where to even get this done.
I’ll continue buying and reusing the disposable ones. I refill them 4 times before tossing them. I think there is a big campaign demonizing the refilling of the disposable ones, but there isn’t ONE documented failure. Stop fear mongering. Start eating healthy.
And the news always tells the truth? They weren’t there and don’t know what happened. The Coleman’s are equipped with an over pressure valve you dip shit. They can’t explode unless you shoot it with a shotgun with a lot cig nearby.
@ Yeah it’s insanity. I see prices in the USA around 30$ (for example eBay) but than shipping is times and a have to twice that. Again makes it cost prohibitive. Insanity. But maybe we’ll see them up here eventually.
@ “according to propane association of Canada it is illegal to refill containers with propane unless properly trained to do so”. Maybe that’s why they’re harder to find up here
Good to hear. I also like the Fuel Keg tank a bit better but with both being rated for their intended use my choice is the ease of the purge valve. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I own both system and, in my estimation, the Fuel Keg is a far superior system. A "couple" of corrections to your video comments... 1. The refill stand for the host tank is exceptionally smaller and is eminently portable on the Fuel Keg. In fact, I keep mine in a small Klein Tools zipper bag that goes everywhere with me when car camping. That's part of the draw for folks not just refilling their tanks on their back patio but instead actually refilling when out and about; which is often necessary. The Flame King's system is large, bulky, and not very portable. 2. The Keg's quality purging system - to include no need for a secondary tool - is far superior. Also, the Keg's system ca't be actuated unless hooked up to their refill system. 3. The alignment pin on the Keg is far easier and repeatable without some home grown alignment system. That's purely secondary generation product design superiority. 4. The quality of the Keg's tank is superior. In fact... the quality of Keg's tank is well beyond the DOT 4BA standards whereas Flame King 'meets standard'. Admittedly, BOTH systems should sell with grommeted brass caps, not the plastic caps. 5. Oh, and the 'pin' you allude to on the fill handle in the video for the Flame King is of inferior metal to the 'pin' (which you refer to as 'riveted on") on the Fuel Keg. How do I know this? I've had a Flame King system's handle fail which necessitated that research. Admittedly, given the number of Flame King canisters I own, I bought a second filler and haven't had the problem since on hundreds of fills. But it did happen once. Maybe I just got a lemon filler? Dunno. That's my assumption. 6. Using both systems on 20lb canisters, I don't find a wobble or any other questionable attachment problem with the Keg. I will say that the Flame King's attachment seems more 'robust' given that it does seat on the canister itself. But then again... does that mean its getting a completely sealed seating or is that merely a 'stopping point'? I've not noticed leakage with that system, however, I have noticed it and it still begs the question. I will give you that the knurled retaining ring on the Flame King is superior. I provided that feedback to Mr Heater over a year ago - along with other upgrades we (Scouts and Scouters internationally) would love to see in their product line. Oh, and... I provided significant feedback to Flame King over the last couple years as well. I'd prefer two exceptional products from which to choose. (Rubbing at least two stones together, if you will.) Basically, you've done a very solid video defining how YOU SPECIFICALLY use the 1lb refill tank system and YOUR SPECIFIC preferences thereof without really taking into account any other variables or usage patterns. I like your videos. Hopefully future videos will be more wholistic and encompassing.
Thanks for checking out the channel and the thoughtful reply. I think on most parts I am in agreement with you. Yes these are my specific use scenarios and the way the system fits my scenarios and I have had comments supporting both systems so I think that both work well. You are correct that my use scenario includes filling at home as my assumption was, based on individual use, that you would not be taking both a 20# tank and 1# tanks on the same trip. The group camping makes sense. Thanks again and thanks for the great comment.
Why do so many people that have no idea of how propane works feel the need to make informational videos about propane cylinders? Wow! It’s just irresponsible. Take some science classes and learn what you’re talking about before you make a video.
@@noelsulflow2266 why do so many people feel the need to disparage other people’s attempts to help people make decisions without articulating their issues with the videos they comment on?
Yes, for the most part that is where I am at. If I could have the Flame King Stand with both fueling arms then shop for the bottles when on sale I would go that way so that regardless of which bottle someone has it could be refilled. .
No it's not..has a plastic purge needle compared to the fuel kegs all metal one. Fuel keg has the awesomely easy release valve compared to the stupid Allen wrench BS on the flame king and the flame king 20 lb stand is bulky and not easy to store. Fuel keg 20 lb stand comes off in seconds and fits in a small bag..
You fill the bottle with liquid propane as it evaporates it turns into a gas under pressure and that's what the buddy Burns. I hope you're not getting air in your tank cuz if you are... I'll be checking my system
Nah, I misspoke in the video and some others have clarified the issue that air doesn't;'t enter the cylinder. Thanks for checking out the channel and for taking the time to comment.
@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 thank you for creating the channel I just found out about these systems a month ago. As a man living off the grid. I used to hose to my heater so that I can run it without having to refill all the time but the bottles I use for my stove. And of course it's the Mr kegg refillables. For $18.95 they pay for themselves within four uses
@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I remember one of them was that the 1 lb cylinder does not let air in as the propane goes out. The reason for bleeding is to make sure that air that is in the feed line if any when you fill it has a chance to go out. The propane in any cylinder is a liquid and turns to a gas acid goes out. If you check with anybody who feels propane tanks you will find that that's the reason they bleed the line first and the cylinder while they're filling it. If much air got into the cylinder, it creates a potential for explosion. I don't remember the second one but it was shortly after that.
@@cprendon3 Yep, thanks for that and you are totally right and I was utterly mistaken. A few others have pointed out my mistake on that issue. Brain fart on my part.
The flame king does not have a pin that needs to be depressed, the fuel keg does. The pin on the flame king adapter, is to prevent the filling of non-flame king bottles, nothing else. The fuel keg does have an extra valve, that needs to be depressed for the bleeder to work.
What this means is that you can refill flame king bottles with a generic adapter, but the fuel kegs, you can not.
The adapter still has to have a 90 degree to properly fill the flame king bottles, so the tanks can both be vertical when filling.
Interesting, I am not able to open the purge valve on the Flame King unless the arm with the pin is attached. Is it a situation where it can be filled in the same way a normal green bottle can be refilled, meaning without actually purging the tank?
@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I'm not aware of there being different designs for the bleeder, but I guess it is possible.
I have 10 flame king bottle, two of them being the 1/4lbs. All ten of them I can open the bleeder whether screwed onto the refill adapter or not.
When refilling, many times I will open all the bleeders at the same time to let any residual pressure bleed off, so there is less pressure when refilling, thus they fill slightly faster.
@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 also, when filling the disposable green bottles, they still need to be purged, to achieve a complete fill.
@@ryanzanow8221 I just double checked and you are absolutely correct, the Flame King do open without the arm attached. Thanks for pointing that out! Do you have any particular "normal" arm that you would recommend?
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I point people to Amazon, with two I like to recommend. One is a solid arm that goes to a 90, and the other has a 3 foot hose on it that goes to a nice 90. Both have ball valves, so you dont have to hold onto them the entire time while filling. I use the hose model, so I can have the bulk tank and 1lbs tank sitting on the same surface, without a stand for the bulk.
I've tried both mine and my buddy's, and I like both, but I favor the one with the hose.
Thanks again for the video, man!
I use Fuel Kegs since I can get them at any Tractor Supply and they are in most towns in the South East. My Buddy Heater and fuel kegs are being used full time while overlanding North Carolina. Its been teens and lower with 35+mph wind gust and Ive stayed warm. I'm pretty loyal to Mr Heater after all they've donated to the people of West Carolina and the Appalachians
Thanks for the comment and it is great to see them stepping up to help the folks in need! We actually have a Tractor Supply about 10 minutes from the house.
Im glad I purchased the FK kit less than 2 years ago. No regrets! Cheers and great video.
FK? That Flame King or Fuel Keg? They're both Fk 😂. I use a Mr Heater Buddy Heater and fuel kegs overlanding full time right now and in sub freezing temps and 35+ mph winds, they've been stellar so far.
@uwharriebigfoothunter too funny. Didn't realize that! 😊 Flameking. 👍😊
@@mattwaters6987 I'm not even sure where to get the Flame King canisters, But I know the fuel kegs work great with daily use and frequent refilling.
@@uwharriebigfoothunter Home Depot has the Flame King Refill Kit ( 3 bottles, stand, and fill valve) for under $80 plus tax. You have to order at most stores, but arrives fairly quick
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT. Propane is NOT replaced "by air" as it is used, nor are you "expelling air" as you refill it. "That thing" which is "replacing" the used LIQUID LP as you use it down, is simply VAPORIZED LP. What you are expelling as you refill the bottle is SOME OF the vaporized LP. This reduces pressure a small bit as the thing fills with liquid, and allows the liquid to enter, as well as the fact that the bleeder "picks up" liquid as the liquid rises, thus giving you a visual indication of fill. IT IS IMPORTANT for ANY liquid under pressure to have a vapor bubble in the container and IT IS IMPORTANT to weigh the filled container against it's tare (empty) weight.
Yep, you are correct and some folks have been good enough to point that out. I stand corrected on this point.
@@fourfortyroadrunner6701 since you are so quick to point out a mistake, in a very rude and disrespectful way, how about looking at yourself, first!
Sorry to say, but Vaporized Liquid Propane does not exist. That's kind of an oxymoron, actually.
When propane is vaporized, it is in the physical state of being a GAS, and not a LIQUID. Also, when referring to propane in its LIQUID form, most people in an intelligent society do not refer to it as LIQUID LIQUID PROPANE. You really don't need to say or reference LIQUID twice.
Smarten up, dude! At least use some intelligence when "trying" to call someone out, because your comment makes you look like a fool
@fourfortyroadrunner6701 since you are so quick to point out a mistake, in a very rude and disrespectful way, how about looking at yourself, first!
Sorry to say, but Vaporized Liquid Propane does not exist. That's kind of an oxymoron, actually.
When propane is vaporized, it is in the physical state of being a GAS, and not a LIQUID. Also, when referring to propane in its LIQUID form, most people in an intelligent society do not refer to it as LIQUID LIQUID PROPANE. You really don't need to say or reference LIQUID twice.
Smarten up, dude! At least use some intelligence when "trying" to call someone out, because your comment makes you look like a fool
@fourfortyroadrunner6701 since you are so quick to point out a mistake, in a very rude and disrespectful way, how about looking at yourself, first!
Sorry to say, but Vaporized Liquid Propane does not exist. That's kind of an oxymoron, actually.
When propane is vaporized, it is in the physical state of being a GAS, and not a LIQUID. Also, when referring to propane in its LIQUID form, most people in an intelligent society do not refer to it as LIQUID LIQUID PROPANE. You really don't need to say or reference LIQUID twice.
Smarten up, dude! At least use some intelligence when "trying" to call someone out, because your comment makes you look like a fool
@fourfortyroadrunner6701 since you are so quick to point out a mistake, in a very rude and disrespectful way, how about looking at yourself, first!
Sorry to say, but Vaporized Liquid Propane does not exist. That's kind of an oxymoron, actually.
When propane is vaporized, it is in the physical state of being a GAS, and not a LIQUID. Also, when referring to propane in its LIQUID form, most people in an intelligent society do not refer to it as LIQUID LIQUID PROPANE. You really don't need to say or reference LIQUID twice.
Smarten up, dude! At least use some intelligence when "trying" to call someone out, because your comment makes you look like a fool
Good information for comparison. I have been using the Flame King system for several years and never had a problem. Each FK bottle comes with its own Allen wrench so you never have to look for extras if you have a few bottles. If I were looking for a new system, I would still buy the Flame King unit as it has served me well.
I too have used mine for a couple of years with no problem. I tape the Allen wrench to the stand and leave them on the bottle for any newer bottles. Having both means that you can grab whichever bottles are on sale when you need more.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
I use the Flame King bottles. One other thing to keep in mind is that they also offer the tall 1lb torch cylinders too!
That is true as well as a 1/2 pound cylinder if that fits your needs.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609as well as 1/4lb cylinders, which I have a few of, and love for my toolbox torch.
Went to a Menards for the first time while vacationing. We don’t have them in East Tennessee. Was amazed at the inventory and ended up phasing a few things I couldn’t pass up!
Next thing you know you will have a Menard's Big Card!
watched this video again because I just bought a Mr Heater heater , THANKS again for this fine video
He’s got health issues and doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Pumping because he’s getting paid.
Let me correct you. when you use up the propane in a 1lb bottle, it doesn't fill with air. it is just the propane gas that has lost the pressure to push it out. so, when your purging the refillable bottle, your expelling gas until the propane reaches the top of the bottle.
Yep, some others have pointed this out. Thanks for watching and taking the time to clarify the topic.
@jiminsav nobody wants to listen to your bullshit when you start with "let me correct you". The fact that it's propane gas rather that "air" is also irrelevant to the video and nobody cares. Hope you felt superior posting that comment.
Definitely a thumbs up and a subscription!
Excellent review very good!!!
I just been working on a playlist for 2 or 3 hours here on the dangers of propane in North Carolina and Tennessee people living out in the tents now hundreds of little buddy heaters out their thousands of them probably and I hate propane for heating!!!
I am glad you found it helpful and thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
I've got 2 flame kings and they both leak from the main valve. They don't leak if screwed onto the device immediately after filling, so they are usable. I was thinking about the fuel keg but it requires the special filling adapter $25. Flame king can use any adapter. I just tape the Allen to the bottle.
Interesting, how old are the cylinders?
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I bought them in 2023. They started leaking after about two month. The leak coming from the main valve mechanism. Perhaps some debris or dirt is causing the valve to stick open or maybe the valve is defective. Yesterday I sent an email to flame king and they responded.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I got them sometime in 2023 but they started leaking after about 2 months. I sent an email to flame king yesterday and they responded. I think some dirt or debris got into the valves causing the valves to not fully close, or perhaps both valves are defective.
You might just need an o-ring kit from Flameking.
I had one like that, and they sent me out a kit, free of charge, as my bottle was under warranty.
Get ahold of them, they might sned out a couple of kits to you as well.
@@ryanzanow8221 Do the kits come with installation instructions?
My thoughts are to consider
1, what conditions are the containers going to be used in
2, how portable is your refilling station going to be.
3, availability in the area you plan to use it
I don’t see a significant difference in cost to make the difference.
The flame king uses the wrench and doesn’t have anything extra protruding to get broken or banged open.
So it may be more desirable if rough handling or transportation is involved.
The fuel keg has the easier to use valve that doesn’t require a tool, but could theoretically be easier to damage .
The connection to the tank could probably be easily changed if you don’t like the “wiggle”
The “stands” could easily be interchangeable depending if your refill station is basically permanent or you take it with you.
I’ll likely get both as they aren’t particularly expensive or take up much room that way I can take advantage of whatever refills are available or if a buddy is carrying something different than me.
I don’t use much propane at the moment and if my needs happen to increase, I would probably just use the larger tank and a hose.
At some point the disposable options will probably be legislated away, so having some of these before that happens is a good idea.
Great video
👍😎
Thanks for checking it out and the insightful comments.
I think both bottles have their advantages. I like the purge valve on the fuel keg better because it doesn't require a small tool that can get lost. Like you, I prefer the Flameking stand and that's what I use...
They're both good bottled and I use both.
However...
When your fuel canister bottle empties. The space is not filled with air...
Propane is in liquid form and kept that way by being under pressure. However what you're using is the vapor. As you use the propane vapor. The pressure drops in the bottle causing some of the liquid propane to boil into
Thanks for that, someone had mentioned the air was actually remaining vapor but I appreciate the correction.
Thanks for checking out the channel.
I put my disposeable bottles in the freezer when they are empty, and when they are freezing cold, I refill them. I seem to get a whole pound in them with no venting. "One shot, one kill" :-)
Just set the fuel tank up on a stable Crate or a solid box?!?
@@howtogetoutofbabylon8978 Although it would not be as stable I think that would work. I know you can buy the Flame King fueling arm separately so that would work, but depending on the price of the kit a fuel arm and bottle might be the same price.
Can you use fuel King bottles on a Mr Heater?
I have the smaller Mr. Heater Portable Buddy and they work just fine in it.
Good info, thanks for sharing and taking the time to educate us!
I love the idea to a place to purchase one! I also liked your video, it's very informative of each one! And what to expect. Thank You!
Thanks for checking out the channel and taking time to comment.
Question - Are they interchangeable? Will a Flame King filler fit on and fill a fuel Keg bottle ?? I assume from the video it will not.
I also saw the two bottles cut open and Fuel Keg had a better rust prevention coating. That may mean nothing as a sample size of one is next to nothing.
Fuel Keg bottle also weighed a tad bit more and might have a thicker shell.
No, the two systems are not compatible. Flame King valve has a plastic piece to prevent one from filling disposable bottles. Fuel Keg's valve has a metal pin which must depress a recessed safety valve (which is in series with the manual release valve) on the Fuel Keg cannister. The Pin prevents one from filling disposable bottles as well as the Flame King bottles, since there's no where for the PIN to go when the fitting is tightened onto the bottle.
They are not interchangeable. Each one is proprietary. Hope this helps. 😊
@@mattwaters6987 (sigh) Thank you.
I was afraid they were proprietary and not interchangeable. Still like the FuelKeg a bit better. Need to check the fit in other devices.
@@allenshepard7992 Yes, I was hoping they were but no cigar. One thing you could do is buy the Fuel Keg refill kit and then add a Flame King refill tube as it is sold separately. Then you will be able to pick up bottles when on sale or refill your friend's bottles regardless of which they have.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609
What is it that doesn't match up?
They both have to fit on the 20 lb bottle.
So that's the same. Both have you fit the 1 lb propane bottle so that's the same.
How can they be proprietary and different this not interchangeable?
What am I missing?
If you buy a valve stem extractor tool like tire shops use, you can take out the valve, drill a hole in it and recycle it. Get a good quality valve tool.
That makes sense, a bit like the butane can openers that evacuate the tank before recycling.
Nice tip and thanks for sharing it with us.
I have the flame king bottles and using a generic filler nozzle that has no allignment pin and works great with the 2m allen wrench to bleed, I assume i could use the fuel keg the same way.
interesting. How does the generic (can you tell us the brand and model) unlock the purge valve?
The flame king does not have a pin that needs to be depressed, the fuel keg does. The pin on the flame king adapter, is to prevent the filling of non-flame king bottles, nothing else. The fuel keg does have an extra valve, that needs to be depressed for the bleeder to work.
What this means is that you can refill flame king bottles with a generic adapter, but the fuel kegs, you can not.
The adapter still has to have a 90 degree to properly fill the flame king bottles, so the tanks can both be vertical when filling.
Very informative, thank you for the review and comparison.
You are welcome, thanks for dropping by and checking out the channel.
Personally I think the flame king bottle is better because the bleeder valve can't be accidentally knocked open, whereas with the fuel keg bottle, the ring can be knocked or jostled open during transit from your point 'A' to your point 'B'. I think the added safety of needing the allen key to open the bleeder valve on the flame king far outways any perceived convenience of the easy access, easy open (therefore easy leak) system on the fuel keg. Doing things safer is always better than convenience.
Good review how ever I recently bought some fuel kegs because they were cheaper than the FK's and when I used the FK filler the keg would not purge because the FK, on the inside of the neck, doesn't have the pin that depresses a detent that allows the purge valve to open. Did I not line it up or won't it work without using the fuel keg filler system?
Thanks for dropping by. You have discovered that the purge lock is not the same on each of the bottles and they will not work with the other brands filling arm. Sadly you will have to grab a Fuel Keg filling kit for those bottles which isn't very expensive.
Has this issue (discovered by another user) been resolved?
6 days ago
Fuelkegs have a flaw during the welding part. Sometimes the welders leave the beads inside the tank without cleaning them out. And they get stuck in the valve if you turn the tank upside down. I ordered 4 FuelKegs and only one of them didnt have the beads. You can shake them around to hear it. So i ordered 15 more of them to Home Depot so i can pick out 3 good ones. 10 of them were full of beads. One had only a small amount of beads, and 4 were perfect. I kept those 4. So now i have 5 perfect FuelKegs out of 19 ordered.
Sounds like Mr. Heater may need to do some QC work at the factory if this issue persists. No one should get a bottle that is not fit for purpose, ever.
Can the empties be further vented, and/or can they be made safe for standard metal recycling? Fill somehow and rinse with water?
I think that would be a question for the manufacturer as I would only be guessing. Thanks for the great question.
Which one works best with my big buddy heaters? Fits in it with the side doors closed? Ready to carry?
I cannot answer that as I don't have your referenced heater. From a cylinder standpoint the Fuel Keg is slightly shorter and a bit fatter while the Flame King is taller and a slight bit thinner if that helps.
Great video! Yeah, both are pretty good. I would like to see them both be cut open to see the rust proofing and etc... : )
I will leave the cutting open to those with deeper pockets than myself but I concur it would be interesting to see them in comparison.
I use flame king but I bought a forklift fuel tank to refill my bottles. With a forklift propane tank you can get liquid fuel out of the top so no need to invert the bottle
That would be nice.
I use a cordless hole punch to perforate an empty canister at a safe range. After that they are safe to put into regular steel recycling.
Great idea and nice to see some recycling going on. Thanks for checking out the channel. I don;'t think I have ever seen a cordless hole punch, I will have to check that out!
👍 I use a 22 LR bullet - cost 3 1/2 cents.
Savings to the Canadian government: $64.965 …. Problem Solved !!!
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night !!
@ that’s funny! My cordless hole punch is .22 as well! 😂
@@Joseph-wp2ry LMAO
@@Joseph-wp2ry
Cordless hole punch?!!!
The first thing I thought of was a 22!
Great comparison, I have 4 fuel kegs tanks, two work great , two the purge valve does not work. I'm not able to completely fill the tank with 1lb. of propane. Has anyone else had any issues like this, or know how to trouble shoot the issue. I've tried to contact the company but no response yet.
That is a bummer. I have not heard of that but hopefully someone chimes in. Have a Happy New Year.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that purge did not open (initially). Tried connecting 4 times , bumped the filler lever to be sure gas going thru it. Changed the big bottle. Finally, I took small pin punch, gently pressed the pin down. With the ring in the open position. It felt stuck. I depressed it to bottom, no force, appears to have freed it up. Filled the keg, checked for leaks and put it away for future use. I guess empty it out and refill it, I'll see if it still works. Aggravating but not to point of downing the product..
Subscribed! Gotta get you to 10K kind sir. Appreciate your decisive recommendation!
I appreciate the sub and the goal! Thanks for checking out the channel.
I just refill the old Coleman green bottles the old way, with brass caps for the leakers.
I think a lot of folks do that. I just prefer to use the ones designed to be refilled to avoid a possible issues. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I did that for five years. During that time, four canisters failed on me. A good thing I wasn't near an open flame. I've had good luck for those five years but now I've decided not to press my luck and I've gone all in on Flame King canisters. Yes, they cost money, but it's good insurance to not end up in a hospital burn unit.
@@sarahmorrill Great lesson for folks and a real life story that shows the importance of the level of engineering going into these bottles. Thanks for sharing and Happy New Year!
@@sarahmorrillGEE YA THINK. Can't believe the level of stupidity out there with those idiots refilling those green Disposable TANKS. It says right on the tank. Do not refill. God Almighty do you need a visit from Jesus himself to show you how close you idiots are to dying. One of those green tanks leaking near a open flame will get you a trip to the ER. PDQ . If you're lucky.
All your opinion. I like the fuel keg. Sturdier bottles and the check valve is sweet . No stupid Allen wrench to lose or strip out the valve screw. Won win fuel keg.
Can you use a fuel keg bottle on flame king refill kit?
You cannot, it will not open the purge valve. You also cannot use the Fuel Keg adaptor on the Flame King bottle. But I have been told that you can use a generic refill hose on the Flame King bottle.
Can you use the flameking refueling adapter with the Mr. Heater bottle or vise versa?
Sadly no, they are not compatible with each other. Thanks for checking out the video and the channel.
.... something i noticed as soon as i saw the ring on the bleeder valve
... the Fuel Keg should have a cap like the other brand as it would protect the bleeder valve ring from snagging on something and discharging propane everywhere
... the ring is convenient but dangerous
I had the same thought when i first saw the ring but even if the ring is opened nothing will come out as the circuit is closed unless it is attached to the filling arm and the locking pin is depressed. So no worries from that regard.
i stopped use flame king cause the o-rings kept leaking after just a few times used so ive been using 20 lb tanks and hoses, if the new 1 lb works good i my het one to see for my self how long they last
Interesting, which o-rings were you having trouble with? I have been using mine for quite a while with no issues.
ok i have a plan for mine when its empty i want to purge all the gas then wash it out and turn it into a lantern body using a grinder and drill then use welding wire to make a hanger so i can light up my back garden with candles.
Interesting take on repurposing. Be careful to get it completely empty before you do anything that sparks!
Afraid to use an allen wrench?
Well if you define afraid as looking for something more convenient then yep, I am. I use both regularly and don't have an issue with either, the Fuel Keg is simply more convenient and removes the slight chance of misplacing the wrench.
I've read reviews and seems the keg has gasket failures.
@ I have not heard of gasket issues but did see one video of a Fuel Keg leaking and it appeared that the locking pin (which is opened by the filling nozzle) seemed to be stuck in the down position. I have not experienced this but maybe what you are referring to?
I only read it, he was talking about some little nylon type gasket. Other than that, I'm not sure. He said he had two out of four fail.
@@mikew8622 I wonder if it is the gasket that surrounds the pin, I will watch for this and see if anything goes amiss. I wonder if they had some issues early on with quality control?
can you use either fill arm with both bottles?
@@meseahunt sadly no, they are specific to their bottles. You can buy the Fuel Keg refill kit and just the refill arm for the Flame King though for about the same price as the Flame King refill kit.
Does the flame king refill attachment fit the fuel keg?
The two brands are not comparable with each other, have have to use the Fuel Keg bottle and arm together and same for Flame King.
@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 thanks!
Very informative, thank you!
My pleasure, thanks for checking out our channel.
I used a small magnet on the bottom of the Bottle to no louse the Allen wrench
That is a great idea, thanks for sharing!
So yeah at 6:02 imo, more convenient but more likely for a failpoint. But who knows.
It definitely has yet to be seen and only time will tell as these get into the market and get some miles on them, but I am hoping both will prove to be rock solid.
I have seen some videos (probably early on) where it appears the Fuel Key lock pin had stuck in the open position but I have not experienced that.
Thanks for dropping by and commenting.
Good video. Lots of useful information and tips. A "College Professor" could Not have done a better job!!👍👌👏
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment-cheers
DOT-39 is a disposable canister designation. The Flame King and presumably the Fuel Keg are built to a 3AA or 3A reusable container standard. Also; the disposable DOT-39 bottles contain about 60% isobutane and 40% propane with some allowance for other trace gasses with a lower pressure curve than 100% propane.
I stand corrected, thanks for clarifying and taking the time to educate us! And thanks for checking out the channel.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 With all due respect: It took many hours of research to ferret out the formulation information.
@@brucewcalkins2445 I am sure it did. I hope you didn't take my comment negatively as it was meant sincerely.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 You done good. there is a LOT of misinformation about refilling DOT-39 canisters. Finding and reading the Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) is revealing. Couple that with the vapor temperatures of propane, isobutane and butane and the logic becomes more obvious. I started refilling "propane" canisters in the 1970s and is soon became obvious it was not safe. Only in the last 5 years have I been able to collect the data as to why.
I remember first coming to your channel when you reviewed the original flame king. I ought to buy one of these. We use a lot of 1LB bottles, and you're right. They're so wasteful.
They definitely pay for themselves quickly if you use them frequently. Cheers buddy and congrats on the successful hunt!
I've invested in the Flame King and the Fuel Keg doesn't give me any incentive to change. As far as the allen wrench goes I bought one on Amazon that has a long stem with a large, orange triangular handle (less likely to lose). I could use a few more Flame King bottles and Menards didn't have any.
Ya, I would not switch if I already had one or the other. Thanks for checking out the channel and have a Happy New Year!
Standard canisters i just empty and porta band it in half and into the metal bin. Puncture and incinerate lol. I have both prefer the fuel key. Finding an allen and cheesy feel of the allen just doesn't feel like it's gonna last.
I have been happy with the Flame king for a few years now so think both have their advantages, but both are worth it to so whichever one you like better is the one for you!
I don't think air enters as you use the propane, rather, the propane pressure decreases to atmospheric pressure and gas stops flowing. Refilling is at higher pressure, so the liquid flows into the container.
Yep, I have been corrected (rightly so) in that it is propane vapors and not air that are expelled as you refill. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Good, informative video. Thanks.
You are welcome and thank you for checking out out channel.
Thank you
Thanks for checking out the channel and taking time to comment.
You can use the generic $6 adapter to fill the Flame King canisters. The fact that the canister won't be vertical doesn't matter that much. However, using the Flame King adapter is much more convenient and is worth the $25. I bought the adapter without buying the stand. It's not that hard to overhang a table using a couple of bricks to keep the 20 lbs tank stable. Since I bought 16 Flame King bottles, I have 16 Allen wrenches so losing one or two isn't going to be a problem. I'm very happy with the Flame King canisters. I refilled the disposable Coleman canisters for five years without burning down my house but I've decided not to press my luck.
Yes someone else pointed out they use a generic one with a hose that they really like so I was going to check that out. Glad you didn't burn down your house! Have a Happy New Year.
You dodged a bullet you stupid morons. How dumb do you have to be. It says on the tank. DO NOT REFILL.
Just to note, if your bottle isn't vertical when refilling, you will never get a proper fill. So yes, it does make a difference.
On the Flameking bottles, there is a tube on the bleeder valve, inside the tank, that extends down a calculated and predetermined length. This is so that when filling, the tube will pick up and vent the liquid propane, telling the user to stop filling before the tank becomes overfilled. This also helps in not underfilling due to guessing when it might be the "proper amount."
Just an FYI for everyone.
Thanks for the video. You pointed out a couple things I hadn't thought of. Just give up on the side camera angle. It's so impersonal, and I didn't like it the first time I saw someone do it.
Ya, the angles are something we are trying to keep from having too much of the same in the screen for too long. It is work in progress and I appreciate your thoughts on the topic and thanks for checking out the channel!
Why don’t they collect a deposit on them. Like tires.
Great question.
Makes me horny thinking about it
An old fat guy like me definitely likes the height of the flame king for refilling better but I do like the convience of the fuel keg.
I guess we old fat guys think alike!
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609ditto...
Er, I resemble that remark:-)
@@howtogetoutofbabylon8978 hahah
Flame King's cap has a gasket, Fuel Keg doesn't, the 3rd party brass caps w/gasket are a great upgrade. At least one poster had a Fuel Keg leaking (KISS), a simple set screw is a positive shut off.
Interesting, I am surprised one of the bottles would be leaking. I don't have the brass caps for the FK but have seen them on the site. I really have not had any problem with either system and just tape the Allen wrench to the refill stand and it is always there.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609
One guy uses a magnet and a good rare Earth magnet would be plenty strong to not lose it
@@howtogetoutofbabylon8978 Yep someone mentioned that and it is a great idea. Thanks for stopping by.
Flame King has a product recall on a LOT of their units. Check their website.
There was a recall of some bottles sold between 2013 and 2016, you are correct. Here is a link to the CPSC Notice. www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2017/YSN-Imports-Recalls-Refillable-Propane-Cylinders
Thanks for watching and taking the time to make folks aware of this issue if they have older bottles on hand.
Fuel Keg hardware for the 20# tank occupies less space when stored.
You are correct about that. Thanks for dropping by taking the time to comment.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I totally agree with your premise as well. I"m certified in TX to work on RV propane systems and TX is biting at the bit to ban the green canisters on the lack of refill safety and recycling. We know they are sold by the pallet. I"m not a fan of big gov and so it can be considered a broken clock that's right twice a day - in this case CA called it right. Your review of both systems are spot on... based on what works for me as I said, I'll go with Fuel Keg when I burn through my green tanks!
$65.00 1 pound disposable propane tank disposal cost = 1 cent disposal cost + bs + kickbacks + theft of public money totaling $64.99
Ya, it sounds a bit rich doesn't it.
Yeah, not really. Each cylinder has to be depressurized before the pbrass fitings can be removed and the metal recycled. that takes labor and all it's associated costs.
@@Facefur1 Are you a social worker ???
@@Joseph-wp2ry No. I'm an engineer.
Of course. That’s why we’re trillions in debt. Politicians are giving out money in exchange for kickbacks, I mean donations.
another nice video THANKS
**CORRECTION**
When a pressurized propane bottle is being used, the fuel is not being replaced with air.
This occurs with Non-pressurized liquid fuels. Air connot enter a pressurized vessel until the pressure inside equals the pressure outside the vessel.
Air only enters the propane tank once it has been fully depleted. This is the Air that the purge valve is venting, as well as already vaporized gas so that you can get the tank filled up to the proper level. Without venting you would get much less full in the tank
Thanks for clarifying that point. I appreciate you taking the time to comment and checking out the channel.
It seems like the refilling rig needs a hose to be easier to use.
One of the other commenters mentioned they use a refilling hose on the Flame King (won't work on Fuel Keg) and he really likes that. Have a Happy New Year.
Here is the problem. Flame King I can no longer buy at Menards. What retailer carries flame King
Prices seem to vary widely online with some veering into the ridiculous. Flame King's website has a 4 bottle bundle for $59.99 which works out to under $15 per bottle. Here is a link to Amazon where a single bottle is $18.04 amzn.to/4fMXGac
Lowes and Home Depot look like they have them too (online for sure) at a bit higher price (but still starting at $18.xx)
Air does not come into the tank at any time, only in manufacturing. When empty only propane gas at zero pressure is left in the tank when exhausted.
Yep, thanks for that clarification. Some other folks have mentioned it as well so very helpful. Thanks for checking out the channel!
At time mark 5:03: Air (oxygen) should never be able to enter any of these bottles. There is always some kind of positive pressure in the tank. Even an empty will have a small amount of pressure keeping any air out.
Thanks for the clarity-instead of air you simply don't have enough/any liquid fuel vapor pressure to operate your appliance.
Cheers
Great!!!!
The Fuel King standis wobbly & unstable. There is nothing to ensure that the propane tank is centered between the four metal tubes
You are correct, but I have never found it to be an issue when using. I think though that both of the kits could be a bit more robust and stable, but again, in use it has never been an issue for me.
Have you had any negative issues with the stand?
Have a Happy New Year!
Just curious, where are they manufactured?
The Flame King bottle is labeled Made in Thailand. The Fuel Keg bottle is Made in India. The Fuel Keg refill kit labeled Made in China. I no longer have the Flame King refill kit box so cannot confirm origin.
Do you know if you can use your home propane tank to fill these?
Yes you can, they sell a very cheap kit for it.
@ Thank you!
Probably want to get a kit to fill a 20 lb tank then use the 20 lb to fill your 1 lb models
So explain the whole air bleed
Note… there is not air in the being blown out every time… it is propane
Yes you are correct, I misspoke. Each of the bottles has a "lock" on the purge valve circuit. This lock is unlocked by the fueling arm and each brand has a unique pin design to unlock their bottle. The arms are not interchangeable with the other brand's bottles.
❤I bet your mother said you were the Whiner of the litter.
Not sure what that means but thanks for checking out the channel!
Fuel keg is far better than flame king, when you cut the tank open flame king have rusted, fuel keg have better coating to prevent rust. Fuel keg will last longer than flame king.
Interesting insight, it would be interesting to see how many users have had issues with their Flame King cylinders that are rust related.
One thing we all need to remember is that these cylinders do need (or are supposed to be) rectified after a period of time but I suspect the never happens. I would have no idea how/where to even get this done.
I’ll continue buying and reusing the disposable ones. I refill them 4 times before tossing them. I think there is a big campaign demonizing the refilling of the disposable ones, but there isn’t ONE documented failure. Stop fear mongering. Start eating healthy.
@@2cthetruth www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/1-dead-1-injured-in-polk-county-garage-explosion/
And the news always tells the truth? They weren’t there and don’t know what happened. The Coleman’s are equipped with an over pressure valve you dip shit. They can’t explode unless you shoot it with a shotgun with a lot cig nearby.
@ wrong it was not caused by a rusty tank goofy
In Canada 1 bottle (Amazon) is 100$
😅😅😅
Wow, someone wants to make some money-that is a bargain I would definitely have to say NO to!
@ Yeah it’s insanity. I see prices in the USA around 30$ (for example eBay) but than shipping is times and a have to twice that. Again makes it cost prohibitive.
Insanity.
But maybe we’ll see them up here eventually.
@@CoFRTheGamerXxX If Flame King themselves ship to Canada they have 4 bottles for $54, or did last time I looked.
@ problem is finding the FuelKeg ones
@ “according to propane association of Canada it is illegal to refill containers with propane unless properly trained to do so”. Maybe that’s why they’re harder to find up here
Flame king are self emptying. If you don’t use them immediately they are empty when you need them.
Now that is funny! Not my experience but dang funny anyway.
I have the Fuel Keg… it’s great… much thicker tank
Good to hear. I also like the Fuel Keg tank a bit better but with both being rated for their intended use my choice is the ease of the purge valve. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I own both system and, in my estimation, the Fuel Keg is a far superior system.
A "couple" of corrections to your video comments...
1. The refill stand for the host tank is exceptionally smaller and is eminently portable on the Fuel Keg. In fact, I keep mine in a small Klein Tools zipper bag that goes everywhere with me when car camping. That's part of the draw for folks not just refilling their tanks on their back patio but instead actually refilling when out and about; which is often necessary. The Flame King's system is large, bulky, and not very portable.
2. The Keg's quality purging system - to include no need for a secondary tool - is far superior. Also, the Keg's system ca't be actuated unless hooked up to their refill system.
3. The alignment pin on the Keg is far easier and repeatable without some home grown alignment system. That's purely secondary generation product design superiority.
4. The quality of the Keg's tank is superior. In fact... the quality of Keg's tank is well beyond the DOT 4BA standards whereas Flame King 'meets standard'. Admittedly, BOTH systems should sell with grommeted brass caps, not the plastic caps.
5. Oh, and the 'pin' you allude to on the fill handle in the video for the Flame King is of inferior metal to the 'pin' (which you refer to as 'riveted on") on the Fuel Keg. How do I know this? I've had a Flame King system's handle fail which necessitated that research. Admittedly, given the number of Flame King canisters I own, I bought a second filler and haven't had the problem since on hundreds of fills. But it did happen once. Maybe I just got a lemon filler? Dunno. That's my assumption.
6. Using both systems on 20lb canisters, I don't find a wobble or any other questionable attachment problem with the Keg. I will say that the Flame King's attachment seems more 'robust' given that it does seat on the canister itself. But then again... does that mean its getting a completely sealed seating or is that merely a 'stopping point'? I've not noticed leakage with that system, however, I have noticed it and it still begs the question.
I will give you that the knurled retaining ring on the Flame King is superior. I provided that feedback to Mr Heater over a year ago - along with other upgrades we (Scouts and Scouters internationally) would love to see in their product line. Oh, and... I provided significant feedback to Flame King over the last couple years as well.
I'd prefer two exceptional products from which to choose. (Rubbing at least two stones together, if you will.)
Basically, you've done a very solid video defining how YOU SPECIFICALLY use the 1lb refill tank system and YOUR SPECIFIC preferences thereof without really taking into account any other variables or usage patterns. I like your videos. Hopefully future videos will be more wholistic and encompassing.
Thanks for checking out the channel and the thoughtful reply. I think on most parts I am in agreement with you. Yes these are my specific use scenarios and the way the system fits my scenarios and I have had comments supporting both systems so I think that both work well.
You are correct that my use scenario includes filling at home as my assumption was, based on individual use, that you would not be taking both a 20# tank and 1# tanks on the same trip. The group camping makes sense.
Thanks again and thanks for the great comment.
Good video Dick
Thank you sir.
The Keg has gasket failures
Why do so many people that have no idea of how propane works feel the need to make informational videos about propane cylinders? Wow! It’s just irresponsible. Take some science classes and learn what you’re talking about before you make a video.
@@noelsulflow2266 why do so many people feel the need to disparage other people’s attempts to help people make decisions without articulating their issues with the videos they comment on?
cut to the chase ... buy the cheaper unit...
Yes, for the most part that is where I am at. If I could have the Flame King Stand with both fueling arms then shop for the bottles when on sale I would go that way so that regardless of which bottle someone has it could be refilled. .
Flame king is better
Can you share with us why you feel that way? Thanks for dropping by the channel and taking the time to comment.
No it's not..has a plastic purge needle compared to the fuel kegs all metal one. Fuel keg has the awesomely easy release valve compared to the stupid Allen wrench BS on the flame king and the flame king 20 lb stand is bulky and not easy to store. Fuel keg 20 lb stand comes off in seconds and fits in a small bag..
@twolak1972 I'm sorry your correct.
You fill the bottle with liquid propane as it evaporates it turns into a gas under pressure and that's what the buddy Burns. I hope you're not getting air in your tank cuz if you are... I'll be checking my system
Nah, I misspoke in the video and some others have clarified the issue that air doesn't;'t enter the cylinder.
Thanks for checking out the channel and for taking the time to comment.
@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 thank you for creating the channel I just found out about these systems a month ago. As a man living off the grid. I used to hose to my heater so that I can run it without having to refill all the time but the bottles I use for my stove. And of course it's the Mr kegg refillables. For $18.95 they pay for themselves within four uses
@@geralddougherty3864 They definitely save money and are very convenient. Thanks for dropping by the channel!
obviously a Harris / Walz supporter (based on rants)
Hmmm, that is an interesting take away from the video.
Two statements in this video are factually wrong. Somebody needed to verify their information before stating it.
@@cprendon3 I would be happy to correct inaccuracies if you would choose to expand on your comment.
@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I remember one of them was that the 1 lb cylinder does not let air in as the propane goes out. The reason for bleeding is to make sure that air that is in the feed line if any when you fill it has a chance to go out. The propane in any cylinder is a liquid and turns to a gas acid goes out. If you check with anybody who feels propane tanks you will find that that's the reason they bleed the line first and the cylinder while they're filling it. If much air got into the cylinder, it creates a potential for explosion.
I don't remember the second one but it was shortly after that.
@@cprendon3 Yep, thanks for that and you are totally right and I was utterly mistaken. A few others have pointed out my mistake on that issue. Brain fart on my part.