I bought my FIRST VR headset 1 Year ago, WAS IT WORTH IT
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ธ.ค. 2021
- I’m one of those people who have wanted to get into VR ever since learning about it YEARS ago. However I never did because of one reason or another. I didn’t think the technology was there yet, there were no good games or I was afraid I just get motion sick. Well one year ago I decided it was time to do it so I decided the valve index was the headset for me. Today we talk about my experience with the head set and was VR worth it. Also over this year I have had many different people try my headset and we will talk about there experience with motion sickness. Should you finally pull the trigger on a VR system.
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100% my favorite tech channel now. Dude has vibes like someone you'd sit down for a beer with.
I am a fan of beer
lets print a resin beer mug
@@MajorHardware air force guys. We all love beer lol
@@MajorHardware 🍻🍻🍺🍺
This channel is the only tech channel I subscribe to, and I don't plan on changing that.
"Done pretending I'm bald, improved my cooling performance."
lmao
He looks more like a viking when bald than I would have expected. Which is cool, seems more gruff than his manner though.
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Please upvote the message for anyone who might want to jump into VR
This is a disclaimer
Do not force your way through motion sickness.
That makes it last longer and become more intense.
It creates a disposition for feeling motion sickness due to a nocebo effect.
What you want to do is to play, and take off the headset the moment you feel even a bit queazy, no exception.
Forget about being a macho, you'll regret it.
Once you feel better, after maybe an hour, jump back in.
Rince & repeat. You'll last longer and longer without getting queazy, until eventually you can stay in VR for an entire day, at which point it's less than a non-issue.
I can concur, the effect seems to be very similar to playing certain old games for a long time. Like SW Dark Forces. I think it's the eye strain not the motion, though in VR you have eye strain and disorientation. (I suddenly want to play VR portal).
..I know its not for everybody, I havent had many issues with being sick, but also confirmed by my friends, glass of beer makes everything much easier...
i had no idea wht screen door was untill VR ,screendoor must be a yank thing
This, +1, etc
I played alot of Minecraft many years ago but now I get sick after 5min. Its weird how I didnt get sick at all back then.
Finally, that last bit of hair was bothering me for ages. Love the new look bro
Now he just needs a goatee.
Were you jealous? :p
VR really is the future and playing games like Contractors and Pavlov with the Halo Mod really shows just how great FPS shooters will be.
Doggo is like "why the heck am I here. And who da hell is the guy talking to?!"
Ehy. Bald & Beard definitely suits you very well. I like it a lot.
Congrats. I bought a valve index last year and was very happy with it.
I would suggest ThrillSeeker's advice for VR, my favorite being:
1. mount a pulley system in your room so that the HMD cable is above you instead of under your feet.
2. get a circular 1m (3 feet) diameter rug instead of the chaperone thing to get a better hold of your play area.
Having a small rug to center yourself in the room is an excellent thing to have.
Smart
You're a commercial pilot? Absolutely did not expect that. Super cool. Awesome review too!
I have a commercial license I don't fly for a living
@@MajorHardware Makes sense. Still very cool!
your dog is adorable, gotta love cooper!
Just found out you’re a pilot after watching your vids for a few months- super cool. New doo looks good!
Just bought an oculus for my son for Xmas so I had to click this video and hear your impressions. Shaved head with the beard looks great on you, dude! Worthy upgrade for the better cooling performance
Good honest review.
Cueball looks good!
Appreciate the no nonsense reviews!
oh man, the cooper part at the beginning made me subscribe :D
DAMN, you look younger now! Plus the aerodynamics must've improved!
Looking clean with the cut.
The OG vive with the deluxe audio headstrap and wireless transmitter and knuckles is the way to go. Also, bald looks good on you lol
Owning the bald my man! Looks good, adds +10 wisdom
Looking good James! I completely agree with your opinion. I got myself the Quest 2 because I lack the space requirements for the index (and money lol)
Nice vid! 🔥🔥
My first VR headset was the Oculus Rift (first Retail version). At some point I switched to a Pimax 5k XR. Later I got the Index Bundle like you did and used Watchdogs dongles since then (Steam Controller Dongles with modified Firmware to be used for the Index Controllers to switch between Lighthouse Headsets without rebinding).
Now I have a 8kx since a few days, best resolution of my headsets, bigger FOV than Index.
Really glad to see this because I’ve been debating on getting the index for a long time. Have you played bone works?
Rocking the look, especially with that beard
Now you can do an intro like the Ozzyman:
"Welcome to the fan showdown! 'Bends the head' "Dome!"
"Let's get started!"
Great Video! Not sure if you're a boxing fan or not but if you are, give Thrill of the fight a shot. Its the whole reason why i got my VR headset and its probably the closest simulation you can get to boxing in real life that we have right now. Also congrats on the VR headset you got one of the nicest ones on the market!
I'm having so much fun flying in VTOL VR, its so good, especially in the new multiplayer beta 🛫
First of all I like the hair... or lack there of it looks good on you. Also, I have never used an index but I did get a quest 2 in January and absolutely love it. VR is amazing and as technology advances we are going to see VR/AR everywhere!
BTW quest 2 has no screen door effect... at least not noticeable to me and when I used my brothers rift s there was a significant screen door effect.... so I mean the index is the best for many many reasons but if you know someone with a Quest 2 check it out see how it feels for you or if you just have $300 for a second HMD but with the amount of filament you go through idk.... lol anyway I have seen VR enthusiast reviews but seeing a comparison from an average VR user like you would be really cool for a future video. ;)
This is really cool (with additional points for floof ball Cooper). I'm looking into buying a Quest these days, I tried it for a bit at a friend's, and didn't get too dizzy so I have hope.
Speaking of the future of the tech : opinions on the omnidirectional treadmills that are coming out?
One of my favorite VR programs is the movie theatre. After a few minutes I forget I'm in a small room, and really feel i'm watching movies in a theatre.
Love the shaved look way better then the one bit of hair just sitting there
My first VR experience was back in the 90s, with a head-mounted CRT! Only for a few minutes at a demo unit, but still.
Shame you've not used the other brands to get a better feel for "if you'd buy that one again".
I've not used any and have no idea but would love one.
This was a nice rounded/detailed review though. Thank you
I've had the OG rift, rift S, and currently have an index with KatVR loco S motion sensors. Most of my gaming time is beatsaber, but I do really enjoy the immersion that VR brings to other games which makes it that much more enjoyable than normal gaming. The biggest downfall of VR for me is that it's hard to get friends into it due to floor space restrictions and hardware requirements - the quest has been helpful in at least getting wife/girlfriend approval for some by not having cables everywhere.
I think with the quest being so cheap lots more vr games will be developed. I'm stoked.
Video I'd love to see: 3D-printing an IHS out of the copper-plastic mix you used to print the copper-infused radiator.
I got my first VR setup a little over a year ago just for iRacing and had never tried VR before that either. I've never been sea sick and that didn't even cross my mind of being an issue. The first time I used it I immediately felt sick to my stomach and had a headache for the rest of the night. I waited over a week to try it again but it wasn't too bad the second time and I played for about 45 minutes. It's been totally fine since then. I went with the Oculus Rift 2 because I wasn't too sure how often I would use it, which turns out not often at all. I do however love using it and 7.1 surround headphones in the Big Screen app to watch movies and youtube in my own 'theater." I think that alone makes it worth it.
Just taken my first leap into VR with a quest 2 a few days ago, I'd used my friend's OG rift and index before and was very impressed with the index, but last week I managed to snag a 128gb quest 2 for £200 (well, £250 with a £50 amazon voucher).
Really impressed so far. There's definitely room for improvement when it comes to comfort, but I can't fault it for the price. I wish it had the index's FOV, but again, price. Wireless PCVR on the other hand is a pretty liberating experience. My friend has her index set up with cable pulleys, which is better than tripping over the cable, but you still have to worry about accidentally hanging yourself if you turn around too much, which is a bit of an immersion breaker to say the least. The freedom of movement with airlink is really nice.
Yeah but with the quest 2 you should know that you can get the "pro" headstrap which gives you extra battery for headless mode and allows the cable going to your pc to be routed better... not to mention it is more comfortable. That is the next upgrade I'm getting though is the headstrap as the one it comes with is garbagio.
@@Dimondminer11 yeah, I guess by room for improvement I meant that there are options available. The official elite strap isn't usually recommended due to durability issues, but I think a lot of the third party straps don't have that issue. I'm currently using one of those D strap things that attaches to the back of the stock strap, it works pretty well once you've got it adjusted properly, even better with a power bank attached to the back to act as a counterweight.
I have had the index for 2 years (had psvr prior) and love it. half life alyx is great but you really need to try the Bioshock Mod for it, it has a lot more action and is really intense. I would buy a quest but the privacy is a problem for me as I am not a Facebook person, I have tried a friends though and while it is a good headset and very cheap the field of view is really noticable. Ive never had a cable issue but I use a pulley system from kiwi
That's a shiny dome you got there! 😁
My dome was distinctly not shiny. So I decided to wear a hat.
If you calculate your viewing angle of your monitor and then compare it to VR, you'll find that the pixels per degree (PPD) in your field of vision can be less than half of a monitor. That's why when I got the Reverb G2, I actually expected to have very low resolution. But I was surprised. Due to the lack of screendoor effect, the resolution and level of detail actually felt higher than I expected. Yes, it's not as sharp as a monitor, and you can see shimmering in object edges, but in a way the resolution feels "infinite". And reading even small text is no problem.
Your part about screen door is just you seeing the pixel layout and not the screen door effect. You should try an HTC Vive if you ever get the chance, it's screen door is horrid and completely different than just pixels being laid out in a grid. SDE is talking about the black lines that show up on OG OLED pixel layouts with loads of black inbetween the pixels.
the haircut looks very good on you ;)
❤️Gotta love Cooper ❤️, did you get yourself a skull shaver?
beautiful head my man
I did not know you were a pilot... MEOWWW... I also have an index and had exactly the same experience, but also, as a commercial pilot myself, my unit ended up finding a slot on the shelf as coming back to VR after breaks here and there in my gaming life meant I had to restart that "motion sickness training" again and again. Its also just a hassle to setup and put when you just want to sit down after a long day with a controller and a beer.
Please keep the cute doggo face zoom ins coming.
My first headset was a Quest 2, and I didn't realize what the screen door effect ACTUALLY was until I tried a friend's Quest 1 😬
You look good bald dude nh. Welcome to the club.
I never used the Valve Index but I do I use the controllers which I used to use with my Vive for awhile. I mostly use my Quest 2 with PC wireless streaming now. The Index looks amazing and I am sure it's great but PCVR needs to release more high end content for it now. Development has shifted mainly to the Quest platform it seems.
Yeah, I really don't think I could handle VR. From the little bits I've experienced, situations where the movement of my physical body matches that of my virtual body 1 - 1 is great, but the instant my virtual body takes off with out me I instantly feel horrible. Also you shaving your head makes you look almost exactly like JD from Gears of War, which to say is really good.
Welcome to the bald club.
I have a Rift S and love VR. I love space flight Sims and racing Sims. Also HL Alyx is a fantastic game. Plenty of there's out there also.
did you oversample your Index? I did.. makes a huge difference in resolution and screen door effect. I do a lot of iRacing and DCS world and it's very clear when set to oversample. Not like 4k but still very easy to read dials. Need a wicked PC tho... I had to upgrade (again) lol.
I have the original oculus and I haven't touched it in years. It's fantastic fun. I really should get it set back up
Thanks I'm still in the wall with a Vive Cosmos. I won't do the Quest even though it's arguably good and inexpensive in comparison... So this provides some other food for thought!
" improved my cooling performance" almost spit out my food lol
I have a g2 with knuckle controllers beas of both worlds also addon a wide fov mod for the g2 made the biggest difference.
Hahahahaha to improve your cooling performance!!!! The best way to accept things!
There are a few headsets that are supposed to come out in the second half of next year that supposedly have almost completely eliminated the screen door effect. Problem being that they're extremely expensive at around 3000$
You should try Hotdogs Horseshoes & Hand Grenades, it's an epic sandbox gun simulation with constant updates.
As a follow up to people looking to get into VR gaming, could you help us understand what factors you considered and how you ended up with this one. And as new ones have come out since, would you consider any of those. Like the oculus quest 2
Nice! Welcome to the bald head, red beard club. I'll mail out your members card in the morning.
Don't forget Matt Whitman from TMBH!
the only question i have after watching your video is what video card you are using to power it? how much do video card power do you need to enjoy an index?
I don't have motion sickness, but running down\up stairs in pavlov really triggers my brain that I am falling
Honestly, I think you look even better with the shaved head!
Bold looks good. Question, why is HTC asking reviewers to do "VIVE, is it worth in 2021?"...perhaps the old "every advertisement is good advertisement?"
At least it's not oddly shaped. I have an HP g2 and love it even for 3d movies. You do build up a tolerance to motion sickness.
I will agree the G2 controllers are not as good as the index controllers.
edit: the g2 resolution is what I would consider the min in resolution to not see screen door effect.
Yah he has a good face and head so bald really suits him.
Its more about Pixel Density than actual resolution. Because you are looking at the screen through a lens that acts basically as a magnifying glass SO no matter how high the res is from a standard viewing distance you will see in between the pixels which is what creates the screen door effect. If you put your face up to a 4k or higher res TV you can sort of see the pixels then you add magnification and yeah its hard not to focus on it... But anyway we will be seeing CHEAP headsets that will advertise High Res displays soon enough so be mindful of what's a marketing ploy and what's legit advances in technology.
@@ethanvalentine4299 Yeah I know, when I said resolution I specifically mentioned the G2 as a reference as such meaning its screen size also.
It is somewhat common to say resolution and others (hopefully understand) I do have an Associates Degree in Electronics.
But yes we should be using "ppi density" but no one does, probably because you also would need to know the screen size and FOV (vertical and horizontal) for any comparably. So the resolution is just the most relatable to people. FOV is also really subjective to the individual.
So yes min g2 res BUT I would like a higher FOV also meaning the res to stay at ≈ the same ppi it would need to have a higher resolution.
Thanx the info might help someone.
With so many different IPDs and head shapes and glasses/not distance from the screen, not sure there will ever be a "standard" way to compare HMDs. We will always have companies fudging the numbers, we see that with FOV now.
@@WDMurphy yep, G2 is the step out of SDE we needed. Hopefully none of the yet to be released HMDs step back over that line
you should flow test the shape of your head. just the usual setup. 😁 i have embraced the aerodynamic headshape in the youthful age of 23, because there was no hair left. 😆
As much as I love the Index. I wish the price came down after two years. If you don't have $1,000 to spend or don't want to buy a computer. Snag an Oculus Quest 2. If you want to do PCVR use Virtual Desktop or Oculus Link with a cable. AVOID AIR LINK! It sucks.
I've only had my quest 2 for a few days, but so far my experience with airlink has been pretty much faultless. I'm interested to see how virtual desktop compares though.
@@LyK0sa you just have a lot more options and control with Virtual Desktop. They've fixed most Airlink issues since launch
Been really happy with my index.
The screen door effect is magnified when looking at things that are far away. So things up close look really good but if you are trying to aim at something far away it looks like garbage.
For me, I have quite a bit of motion sickness issues so I can't use a mobile device (phone, Switch, etc) in the car. I had issues with the first gen 3DS unless I looked at the screen a certain way and held the 3DS perfectly still which was impossible. Thankfully the 2nd gen 3DS "NEW 3DS" fixed that issue. I also can't look at first person view videos or selfie stick videos either. Even certain scenes on TV give me issues and I have to look away or close my eyes. In video games, if I look down from a significant height I get nauseous. I know it's just an image but it still affects me. My only other concern is not being able to see the real world and potentially injuring myself or breaking something. Also 3D setups that used Active Shutter glasses give me issues too.
That Pavlov VR is literally just VR TTT best I can tell, same popular map anyways
I think I'm immune to motion sickness, I've never experienced it in my life. I frequently used the Daydream VR headset when being driven around in a car or bus so I was moving IRL, but differently to how I was moving in VR and apart from the minor annoyance of having to reset my orientation when the vehicle turned it was quite comfortable for me. I have also worked on a VR game and I wanted to see if I could induce motion sickness somehow so I turned off all our comfort settings, stood up in the car so my head was clearly above the roof turned 90 degrees to the direction of travel (which did mess with my balance a little) and had another developer constantly adjust the in-game IPD setting making it look like the entire world was growing and shrinking, it was super weird but no motion sickness. I love VR but have been stuck with the original Vive, I've been wanting to get the Index for years but it only "released" here recently but it always sells out before the release date so it isn't really released and I haven't been able to secure an order for one :(.
I get motion sick on cars and boats but not in vr
To anyone new with vr games: start with simple and static games, like the steamVR home maps and the quests you can do there and then SteamVR Labs. This way you get used to VR without much movement in the game. After that try some games with teleport movement and the last thing you should do is free locomotion when you are used to the previous steps. And avoid any space-flight/fight games, rolling inside a cockpit in vr is pure horror and only for the most experienced vr players!
haha...Well if you ever want to visit lake Erie again I can hook you up with some jet skies and we can go riding with the boys.
you can play microsoft flight sim in VR? i need a headset now...just bought a HOSAS(for star citizen and elite dangerous ) but have been wanting to fly in MFS for a while
Almost hit the Purchase button for an Oculus.... glad I waited. I will save up for these. Rather use top quality
I just bought Oculus Quest 2 (I know FB stuff etc), but i wanted afordable one to check racing games. I was diasapointed a Little when I found out that not many Racing games support IT (unless you use 3rd party software). But except of that airlink, and being able to race in vr is amazing. Also standalone Quest games arw ok, my gf enjoys beat saber and boxing(?!) games.
Pls more videos with the dog as co-host
Omg what a coincidence, I got the quest 2 the other day and omg, it's just taken over my house. Im gonna need to grab another one.
I got so motion sick I threw up smh it was fun but I'm just one of those people that get sick during vr sadly. I found that I am fine during games where the environment is moving but my character or avatar is not. But when I played games where I am moving in the game while looking around I got really sick. But then again I get carsick sometimes if I sit in the back of a car and I get seasick too
Try The Room VR. It’s incredible 👍
I know what you mean with needing to learn how to walk in VR
When I tried the PSVR in a mall demo I needed to brace my leg against the chair behind me to not fall over when my body tried to counterbalance my forward "motion"
I love these dogs... Amazing creatures. But my hatred to picking up sh... is bigger than love for them. LoL.
My lawn mower handles that for me
@@MajorHardware make and model?
Sh!# disturber 5,000,000?
How long till you 3d print a new fan for it?
quest 2 has very little screendoor btw. Like, the quest 1 has it like crazy, quest 2 gets rid of that. I think its at that "pixel density" cost you mentioned, which, yeah, but it works, you can still get some pretty impressive framerates.
Completely unrelated to the video, any tips for a newly instrument rated pilot when flying into actual IMC? I'm kind of hesitant to do it in a single engine.
How often do you play vr instead of flats reen games though
one of the few situations i'd say "yes, a tanning bed will improve things" :P
I see you improved your own CPU cooling
Is what's your system specs on your VR gaming device?
As a mostly bald guy who also shaves his head and keeps a full beard, I find the best way to deal with baldness is to simply own it. I don't have to style, wash, or groom my hair at all. I have learned to love it, and as long as you don't give in to societal ideals of vanity, you will too. It's much more efficient. Even if they offered an easy, 100% effective medication to regrow hair, I wouldn't bother.
Also, I have a Samsung Odyssey+, and it's been an awesome experience. I don't get motion sickness, or experience the screen door effect. So, even if you can't spend $1000 on an Index, you can still get a very satisfactory VR experience for relatively cheap.
best games for those who suffer from motion sickness are the ones where your character remains still and stuff come your way, for example beat saber. I am prone to motion sickness, never felt it in beat saber. superhot in the other hand is a nightmare
I absolutely echo your opinions and went through the same experiences, I have a quest 2 because the index wasn't available in my country but i've never regretted it. in saying that, to anyone with an quest DONT UPGRADE TO WIN 11, it breaks oculus link/airlink and i think to a degree, virtual desktop. no 'real' fixes yet.
I don't like windows 10, is windows 11 better otherwise, or no?
You really should give the Quest 2 a try for both standalone and PCVR. Its the only Headset I've tried where I can't see any screen door effect and... you know.. its $299 and you can play wireless PCVR lol grab yourself a set of controller grips with it and your good. Index controllers are amazing though and you can use Quest 2 Headset with Index controllers on PCVR
I wonder if you tried the other movement option for Alyx where you could walk instead of hopping
edit: also I should note your bald look is fantastic. Some can't pull it off but it looks great on you.
Yeah he looks exactly like JD from Gears of War, which is really hot lmao
How about the pimax sword controllers?
bald guy telling why he picked X over Y without ever testing Y and even knowing what it's features mean, except that bigger number is better.
love the channel.
I've got the Rift and screen door sucks.. god rays are worse. But, once you do some racing in VR, just like flying, it's 1000% better than any monitor setup.