Hey guys. In this DCS video im fighting #GrowlingSidewinder. So a very big thank you for him for all the help, make sure to follow him on TH-cam: th-cam.com/channels/h2rDh7vXGeoh1LlzL3QEwg.html Growling Sidwinder is in the Rafale and im in the F16C Viper. That fight was... well... enoying LOL. Anyway, I hope you guys enjoy.
Kudos to you taking on GS in a Rafale Mod. It shows that you aren't afraid to learn from failure. You're going to be awesome, I'm gonna see more you in the future.
Ahahah that shit was fun not gonna lie I had a good time flying that thing I could do whatever I wanted. I do lean a little on the side of the rafale being a little TOOO good in the way the mod is represented.
Até mentioned on his channel that the engine is way overpowered, and that he could not induce drag with the delta wing like he's able to do with the Mirage 2000.
@@saiduslu7681 but those planes will beat you at one circle and two circle so you will not go to rate fight, apart that those planes have better thrust to wheight ratio, except the gripen
yep , that thing got SU-27 engines but with the weight of the M88 , so the good is that the real rafale is not even close to be that powerfull , the bad new being that the real one has better handling .Still might be fun to play with , not much against it ;-) .
Engines surprisingly less reactives than the real one, missing delta degradation to use as brake, impossible with the mod, but too much power to weight , totally irealistic. I summarized Ate thought about this mod
Armed Dogfights will never Happen in the Aegean Sea or East Med. Moreover Turkish F16‘s are brought to F16 Block 70/72 Viper Status such as home made Upgrades better than US ones. Greek Rafales will lack with Training sich as Technology advance against Turkey which they have alot.
LOL!! On his channel I watched SideWinder flying the F-16 go thru the same experience vs. the Rafale last night. Gen-4 Falcon vs. Gen-4.5 Rafale don't end well for F-16.
Até, a real rafalle pilot, has reviewed the mod It's engines are rediculously overpowered, it looses far too little speed, preforms much too well at low speed, and is much too sluggish at high speed
Rafale vs F-14, F-15, F-16, F-35, Su-27, Su-30, Su-35, Su-57, JF-17 and J-10. (Seems like Rafale vs All😅) This battle will be so intresting... You and GS choose any thing..... But one of you face the Rafale..... 😅😅😅
The Rafale is unquestionably better in BFM, but you were still not playing the Viper's strengths. Keep that speed no lower than 350 and no higher than 430, that's the biggest problem. Evade downward. If your enemy is on your butt, you almost never want to evade against gravity unless he's outside the control box. Even if you are at the upper limit of that maneuvering window, cash in a little speed for AOA on your low yo-yo rather than cashing all in for altitude. Right before he gets a gun solution, roll towards his weakest wingtip (away from nose) about half a radian, maybe less. Repeat immediately and consecutively as he adjusts. That's how to start a rolling scissors and maybe force him to go out of plane as he tries to regain the control box. Too much roll takes too long, too little roll doesn't make a difference; you'll know it as you do it. Keep the roll smooth, don't get jerky like a robot. You were pretty much screwed at takeoff, to be honest. The Rafale is an absolute monster!! Nice fight lol, love your videos.
Great video! You"ll get him next time! Have you two given any thought of doing some colabs on that new server for PvE? Would love to see the two of you flying missions together!
They're about equal IRL from my experience. Same as the Typhoon. The Canards on the front are exception. Thrust Vectoring makes you lose energy IRL too, so it's debatable as to the benefit they provide. Obviously in a low and slow knife-fight or in demonstrations, they're cool, but for most other uses they're a negative. Typhoon was designed as a high-altitude air superiority aircraft so doesn't want to lose energy like this. Rafale was designed with a bit more low-level in mind as it's a multirole aircraft so is more stable at low altitude. Both are more than a match for all SUs outside the latest variant and then they're pretty even.
@@sidv4615 Agreed. F-16 is a beast and very agile but the Rafale is in a league of its own when compared to it. It has significantly better sustained, instantaneous, and slow speed handling. To some degree, it's sustained turn rate is comparable to that of a Eurofighter and F-22.
Ate reviewed the MOD tocompare with the Rafale M he flew when he was a pilot. Definitely overpowered, not braking enough like the delta it is, and sluggish as the real thing is more maneuverable...
@@LongShotChannel hey don’t stop! Hopefully they will get it better and once it will have these Mica missiles, it will be anyway a tough customer to fight against
He found also the engines surprisingly slow to react. But much much over powered. Could be cool if the mod creators can Hear Ate's thought and tune a bit the mod accordingly.
O.k. the Rafale and the Typhoon are great jets, but are they really as good as it performed here? I mean, o.k. it is a mod but is the flight model realistic?
A nearly slick F-16C shouldn't have this much trouble with A Rafale. I think the Rafale mod may be A "Bit OP". Their performance is similar, the Rafale likely has an AOA advantage.
Just curious- were you on reheat full time? Your viper seems really slow in a lot of these situations? I don't have DCS (PC too old) so I'm ignorant of much of the game and the how & why, but I'm still very curious
Well because the plane he was flying i tried to be slower so i can turn faster. It didnt work and in the last round i was fast. But i did a mistake by pulling to hard and i lost my speed
I just curious why were you so slow? IIRC Viper max rate speed should be around 400-450 KIAS right? And it's designed to not generate too much AoA so nose-position fight or snap-shot shouldn't be an option in the first place. Unless you're fighting another Viper. Or did you try rate fight and Rafale still won so you tried something else?
This was my thought. No reason to try low speed snapshot fight with a high AOA plane like the Rafale. Manage your airspeed better, fly your fight, not his, and only pull lead, and deal with the resulting drag, when you have a good position to go for the kill.
The Rafale is unrealistic. its a mod in DCS. the SIM makes an effort to make its modules realistic as possible, but the Rafale is not include... so its not real at all... we just had fun with it
@@pastlast158 Thechnicly, non of them. but the official ones that you buy are realy close to the real thing, you know, this stuff are secret... so they do the best they can. But MODs made buy pepole from the community, so they are mostly (not all of them) not realistic.
I'm curious if I can fight the Rafale with the Viper, I have an idea I want to try but has to be against a good one circle fighter that knows what they are doing flying the Rafale. Hit me up on the side of you read this Longshot
Actually on this mod the RAFALE engines are a little bit overpowered by around 6 to 8%. However it's much more agile than that, it can do 35 degrees instantly and sustain 28 degrees in a turn.
Hmmm... There is defenatly an issue with energy retention in almostly all mods I'we seen so fare))) It would be interesting to see, if you both have fox1.
No way f16 can win rafale. We know it very well here in Greece, we have both f16 block 70 and Rafale. Especially on BVR due to meteor missile, low ir signature and spectra system which makes it invisible until it's too close.
Hey great fun but why enter the merge at 250 knots and no burner? Go hard or go home hahaha. Keep it up :) e positive. Even Growling is when hes getting his but kicked. Doesnt happen much but it happens. )
If they do a mod for a Euro Fighter Typhoon where do you think it will fit in? A little better or worse than the Fafale? Its basically the same shape and style, a delta wing with forward working cannards, 2 engines. A guns only dog fight would be intresting? I know these mods are not completely a true representation of the real jets but i can imagine some flight characteristics are true, and each mod is different from each other, i doubt the Rafale is this good over the F16 viper in real life. And in real life what do you think is better for dog fighting, thrust vectoring engines or cannards? Imagine a jet with both??
would be nice to see rafale vs the 1st version F16A. Even the first F16A was a compromise compared to the YF16 initially introduced. After the A version the plane became heavier without increasing the wing area. Wingloading became to high. The F16 in its basic intended form is probably still one of the best dogfighters out there. The rafales mod is just "tuned". A delta looses lots of energy on the deck and should not keep up in the rate fight with the F16.
Hey guys.
In this DCS video im fighting #GrowlingSidewinder.
So a very big thank you for him for all the help, make sure to follow him on TH-cam: th-cam.com/channels/h2rDh7vXGeoh1LlzL3QEwg.html
Growling Sidwinder is in the Rafale and im in the F16C Viper.
That fight was... well... enoying LOL.
Anyway, I hope you guys enjoy.
🐍
whats the audio in the end?
@@schweizerluchs7146 COMMS from a dogfight and from ground OPs... i made that to have an outro sound track.. its real life COMMS
@@LongShotChannel uhhh niicee
Thanks my dude
A few years ago, France sent Rafales to the US and practiced against the F-16’s (Nevada, I think). Rafales won decisively with a 3:1 kill ratio.
Nice to know. 👍🏽
Rafales are just too good at dpgfights because of those canards, F-16 best case scenario is in a bvr engagement
@@WarDaddy8917 arent F-16s still outranged by the meteor? But yeah i agree a best case scenario would a BVR engagment
The f16 came out in the 70’s…..
Were f16 v ?
Kudos to you taking on GS in a Rafale Mod. It shows that you aren't afraid to learn from failure.
You're going to be awesome, I'm gonna see more you in the future.
Appreciate it man, thank you very much
Ahahah that shit was fun not gonna lie I had a good time flying that thing I could do whatever I wanted. I do lean a little on the side of the rafale being a little TOOO good in the way the mod is represented.
It was fun tho... lol.
Thanks for every thing my man
Agreed... It looks like a spaceship
Seems like its over performing
@@aestheticsdesignstudio4113 Beacuse it is... Its not realistic
Até mentioned on his channel that the engine is way overpowered, and that he could not induce drag with the delta wing like he's able to do with the Mirage 2000.
Much disrespect
Enough said.
Such wow
I can't see your ✔ sign???
Ta gueule connard !
"When you can see the underbelly of a plane, that is usually a bad si........." - pearly gates music
Hahaha... i thought he will come closer... lol
No belly rub then??
I tried 20mm belly rub... he didnt went for it
The Rafale is incredible. Scored a rare practice kill on an F22 in real life.
I am so happy that GOVERNMENT OF INDIA and INDIA AIRFORCE chose RAFAEL.
IT'S A BEAST
Bhai this is not fully realistic! Rafael is badazz irrespectively!
@@aarujtripathi rafale is a legend in bvr and jamming
@@globalthings1016 Are bhai I'am saying Rafale is not fully realistic in DCS!! Real-life ki baat nahi kar raha
@@aarujtripathi it's even better
@@mangeshchalan8786 what?
They forgot to incorporate the laws of physics in Rafael mod.
Lol.
:Physiscs = 0
GS looks pretty intimidating from bandit perspective
Yeah. When you look at it from his perspective it looks way calmer, but looking at it from the other side i would be in a panic state.
European 4++ Gen fighters rule the way
No has got no idea what F16 can do in a rate fight and maintaining low speed which f16 doesnt like
@@saiduslu7681 but those planes will beat you at one circle and two circle so you will not go to rate fight, apart that those planes have better thrust to wheight ratio, except the gripen
Wow that Rafale mod is super op. Great work, really nice vid
Thank you very much man. Glad you liked it
wait till you see the finished F-22 mod
oui parce que c'est surtout (extrement) vrai !
Alors chuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...
@@Noirtx Grave le Rafales c'est le meilleur multi-roles du monde et l'un des meilleurs dogfighter après le F22 (de pas beaucoup)
Hey Longshot! Great video! Thank you so much for incorporating that previous feedback man! You rock! Keep em comin!
Thank you so much for that awesome comment. You are the man!
Ate himself said that the Rafale mid in DCS is overpowered
Link
yep , that thing got SU-27 engines but with the weight of the M88 , so the good is that the real rafale is not even close to be that powerfull , the bad new being that the real one has better handling .Still might be fun to play with , not much against it ;-) .
Engines surprisingly less reactives than the real one, missing delta degradation to use as brake, impossible with the mod, but too much power to weight , totally irealistic.
I summarized Ate thought about this mod
Ofc it's OP, it's a mod, the real aircraft isn't as near as powerful as this mod is. But again mods are for fun.
@@jemarcatubig3171 just check the secondary channel of até...
Hey man, just like the Concorde, the French can build a good airplane.
This is just a mod
@@ibrahim-dw8xl He was also talking about the real life French airplanes.
Longshot heroic try but growling sidewinder is such a veteran at this especially in the Rafael.
na, the rafale mod is just unrealistic.
Yeah, we just had fun with it
@@kamraam1464 true facts, but mods are for fun not to represent the capabilities of the real aircraft.
Seems like a recent GS video showed the Rafale pulling 12.5g. Perhaps the airframe can actually handle it but I suspect the pilot cannot.
According to official specs, the Rafale can pull 11g in emergencies.
Pilots can handle 13Gs+ for a fraction of time. Not in sustained 13gs.
Magic of delta wing
A turkish F16 getting demolished by a Rafale.. Hmm, I can't imagine where that could ever take place
Armed Dogfights will never Happen in the Aegean Sea or East Med.
Moreover Turkish F16‘s are brought to F16 Block 70/72 Viper Status such as home made Upgrades better than US ones.
Greek Rafales will lack with Training sich as Technology advance against Turkey which they have alot.
@@Aceuu_ You are an endless source of comedy! Thank you!
@@Aceuu_ keep telling yourself that lolo
@@SMhydra wrong check the Turkish Özgür Project with the upcoming AESA Radar for all Block 30‘s with its CCIP upgrades
Let me tell you where it will not take place,in the Aegean :)
Great vid! Quick tip I have, try and adjust the volume a bit when transitioning to the jet videos, the voice is much lower than the jet noise
Noted. Thanks for your help man. Glad you liked it
Omg that Raf is SO op. And gawd damn he’s fast af. He looks like a fly jumping around you at will.
Growling Sidewinder brought me here 👍
Great fight boys! Amazing video dude, keep up the good work.
Thank you so much. Means alot man.
LOL!! On his channel I watched SideWinder flying the F-16 go thru the same experience vs. the Rafale last night. Gen-4 Falcon vs. Gen-4.5 Rafale don't end well for F-16.
Sent by growling sidewinder. Good job man.
Thank you very much man.
Honestly this was a way better fight than I expected
So sad to see the hot hod relegated to aerial fodder. That's progress.
Instantaneous turn rate (Viper) vs sustained turn rate (Rafale)
Infact vice-versa
Até, a real rafalle pilot, has reviewed the mod
It's engines are rediculously overpowered, it looses far too little speed, preforms much too well at low speed, and is much too sluggish at high speed
Not that overpowered and more agile at slow speed "in real life" u really are downgrading the aircraft by changing the words and formulations ate used
Looks like GS did get a huge kick flying the Rafale........
Rafale vs F-14, F-15, F-16, F-35, Su-27, Su-30, Su-35, Su-57, JF-17 and J-10. (Seems like Rafale vs All😅) This battle will be so intresting...
You and GS choose any thing..... But one of you face the Rafale..... 😅😅😅
Doing nothing but yanking back on the stick is a guaranteed way to lose.
Rafale rules!!!🤩🤩🤩👍🏻
The Rafale is unquestionably better in BFM, but you were still not playing the Viper's strengths.
Keep that speed no lower than 350 and no higher than 430, that's the biggest problem.
Evade downward. If your enemy is on your butt, you almost never want to evade against gravity unless he's outside the control box. Even if you are at the upper limit of that maneuvering window, cash in a little speed for AOA on your low yo-yo rather than cashing all in for altitude.
Right before he gets a gun solution, roll towards his weakest wingtip (away from nose) about half a radian, maybe less. Repeat immediately and consecutively as he adjusts. That's how to start a rolling scissors and maybe force him to go out of plane as he tries to regain the control box. Too much roll takes too long, too little roll doesn't make a difference; you'll know it as you do it. Keep the roll smooth, don't get jerky like a robot.
You were pretty much screwed at takeoff, to be honest. The Rafale is an absolute monster!! Nice fight lol, love your videos.
Yo Longshot. First saw you sparring with the Sidewinder. Subbed! Keep up the content. Cheers.
Thank yo very much man. Im realy happy you enjoyed, stay tuned
Great video! You"ll get him next time! Have you two given any thought of doing some colabs on that new server for PvE? Would love to see the two of you flying missions together!
Thank you very much for your support.
And we shell see..
Bring a FOX2 dogfight between Rafale and F16. It's a request from one of your subscribers.
It's nice to see GS from a bandits perspective..:-)
It was an amazing fight,you improved gameplay and graphics a lot.keep it up
thanks alot man. im happy you liked it
Waiting for more Rafale challenges.....
pop in the F-22 mod then get your Revenge on him
My thought as well 😈
Ne parlez pas trop vite !
That Rafale performs like a thrust-vectoring Su. I wonder if that mod is really just that?
They're about equal IRL from my experience. Same as the Typhoon. The Canards on the front are exception. Thrust Vectoring makes you lose energy IRL too, so it's debatable as to the benefit they provide. Obviously in a low and slow knife-fight or in demonstrations, they're cool, but for most other uses they're a negative. Typhoon was designed as a high-altitude air superiority aircraft so doesn't want to lose energy like this. Rafale was designed with a bit more low-level in mind as it's a multirole aircraft so is more stable at low altitude. Both are more than a match for all SUs outside the latest variant and then they're pretty even.
the rafale engine mob i think its too OP..
You would be right
Why didnt you come with a slick jet? All those pylons are draggy
Still it’s not possible for the viper to beat the Rafael
@@sidv4615 Agreed. F-16 is a beast and very agile but the Rafale is in a league of its own when compared to it. It has significantly better sustained, instantaneous, and slow speed handling. To some degree, it's sustained turn rate is comparable to that of a Eurofighter and F-22.
Ate reviewed the MOD tocompare with the Rafale M he flew when he was a pilot. Definitely overpowered, not braking enough like the delta it is, and sluggish as the real thing is more maneuverable...
Yeah... but you know, we fly it for fun even tho its unrealistic.
@@LongShotChannel hey don’t stop! Hopefully they will get it better and once it will have these Mica missiles, it will be anyway a tough customer to fight against
He found also the engines surprisingly slow to react. But much much over powered.
Could be cool if the mod creators can Hear Ate's thought and tune a bit the mod accordingly.
Not wise to immediately drop below 200 kts in the Viper...
Yeah you gave him a good day , very generous of you :)
O.k. the Rafale and the Typhoon are great jets, but are they really as good as it performed here? I mean, o.k. it is a mod but is the flight model realistic?
It's not really, a bit overpowered... but It would still beat the f16 in real life
Can you show your setup. I really love to try DCS. But i don't know the gear needed.
A nearly slick F-16C shouldn't have this much trouble with A Rafale. I think the Rafale mod may be A "Bit OP". Their performance is similar, the Rafale likely has an AOA advantage.
I've read otherwise. Supossedly, it has superior sustained, instantaneous, and slow speed handling compared to the F-16.
Bad news for our friendly and pease loving country
Pakistanz🇵🇰 🥰😊😊😊😊😊
From India 🇮🇳
That's a mod which does not represent its true capabilities unfortunately 😉
@@munnumkhalid u are ryt ... Rafael doesn't revealed it's true capabilities 😊😊😊 thanks bro 😉😉🤣
@@programmingskillset3173 😆😄👍
@@programmingskillset3173 It is your dream my dear
@@somnathghosh1376 haha Indiot
Great entertainment guys :) Thanks!
Great vid, you got my sub ;)
More F-16 content plz!
Much appreciate. Thank you man, that means alot and im glad you enjoyed.
In dcs Rafale is "over powered and too maneuverable " said the retired Rafale pilot !
Hey buddy pls upload jf17 Vs Indian Tejas
It’s all fun games until someone loses a wing…
Just curious- were you on reheat full time? Your viper seems really slow in a lot of these situations? I don't have DCS (PC too old) so I'm ignorant of much of the game and the how & why, but I'm still very curious
Well because the plane he was flying i tried to be slower so i can turn faster.
It didnt work and in the last round i was fast. But i did a mistake by pulling to hard and i lost my speed
I just curious why were you so slow?
IIRC Viper max rate speed should be around 400-450 KIAS right?
And it's designed to not generate too much AoA so nose-position fight or snap-shot shouldn't be an option in the first place. Unless you're fighting another Viper.
Or did you try rate fight and Rafale still won so you tried something else?
This was my thought. No reason to try low speed snapshot fight with a high AOA plane like the Rafale. Manage your airspeed better, fly your fight, not his, and only pull lead, and deal with the resulting drag, when you have a good position to go for the kill.
That Rafael is way too much OP
Rip for Pakistan 😥 they are now have to face rafale
Rafael is just OP
If this DCS is representative of real life jets' capabilities, then all the nations that own American-made jets are pretty much screwed
The Rafale is unrealistic. its a mod in DCS. the SIM makes an effort to make its modules realistic as possible, but the Rafale is not include... so its not real at all... we just had fun with it
@@LongShotChannel which jetfighters are realistic in DCS?
@@pastlast158 Thechnicly, non of them. but the official ones that you buy are realy close to the real thing, you know, this stuff are secret... so they do the best they can.
But MODs made buy pepole from the community, so they are mostly (not all of them) not realistic.
@@LongShotChannel Thanks for the info.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 when GS fought ATÈ he was but the learner,........
I need an aircraft simulator !! 😍
I'm curious if I can fight the Rafale with the Viper, I have an idea I want to try but has to be against a good one circle fighter that knows what they are doing flying the Rafale. Hit me up on the side of you read this Longshot
Please make video sukhoi 30mki vs f16
He could turn for sure
Most mods are overpowered
would you two do it again switching planes ?
Please do a Chengdu j20 vs rafale.
Would like to see you and GS do rafale vs rafale
This was awesome..... 😎😎😎
No way the Rafale is that much better🙄
In the game the Rafale module is unrealistic. So in the game it is...
pl make vedio of SU 30MKI with F16 viper
You're really good
This mod is so OP.
I’d like to see this with the new f16 update
That emblem is so badass, man. Is it your design?
Yup
Great dogfight! A nice video to show at Turkey pilots what will happen to them when get into Greece aerospace again 😉
Wait wor growling is in the rafale??
Yes sir
He definitely had a good time.
@@doncalypso yeah lol
@@doncalypso Yes he did... and he was very disrespectful while doing so lol
@@LongShotChannel he made you pay for all the times Feisty waxed his ass...
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Actually on this mod the RAFALE engines are a little bit overpowered by around 6 to 8%.
However it's much more agile than that, it can do 35 degrees instantly and sustain 28 degrees in a turn.
Did you mean 28 Gs?
@@agdthing8355 no, it's 35 degrees instantanius and then 28 degrees sustainable
@@DK-ig8zi oh now I understand
Do it again with the new viper?
It's a little disheartening seeing the backbone of the USAF being dispatched rather easily.
Not when it is not real life. DCS is a game platform.
In rd 1 did your left wing tear off bc of previous damage, stress from the lack of rear stab or what? Me confused
Yes. It was because of the damage from the rounds he put into my jet.
nice
Thank you man
Hmmm... There is defenatly an issue with energy retention in almostly all mods I'we seen so fare))) It would be interesting to see, if you both have fox1.
You need to head for much lower altitude with the f16.
Turkish F-16s being shot down by Greek, Egyptian and French Rafales 🇫🇷🇬🇷🇪🇬
?
Rafale vs SU35 ????👍🏻
This is not about plane but pilot skill....that is all
😂good one 👍
No way f16 can win rafale. We know it very well here in Greece, we have both f16 block 70 and Rafale. Especially on BVR due to meteor missile, low ir signature and spectra system which makes it invisible until it's too close.
1.20 ----1.23 viper had chance to shoot
If he was a real Turkish pilot, the results would have been different.
Longshot brasileiro?
not even a match.....Rafale eat ten F-16 every morning for breakfast.
Hey great fun but why enter the merge at 250 knots and no burner? Go hard or go home hahaha. Keep it up :) e positive. Even Growling is when hes getting his but kicked. Doesnt happen much but it happens. )
Hahah thanks dude
If they do a mod for a Euro Fighter Typhoon where do you think it will fit in? A little better or worse than the Fafale? Its basically the same shape and style, a delta wing with forward working cannards, 2 engines. A guns only dog fight would be intresting? I know these mods are not completely a true representation of the real jets but i can imagine some flight characteristics are true, and each mod is different from each other, i doubt the Rafale is this good over the F16 viper in real life. And in real life what do you think is better for dog fighting, thrust vectoring engines or cannards? Imagine a jet with both??
Su 30mki .. So I have been summoned.
would be nice to see rafale vs the 1st version F16A. Even the first F16A was a compromise compared to the YF16 initially introduced. After the A version the plane became heavier without increasing the wing area. Wingloading became to high. The F16 in its basic intended form is probably still one of the best dogfighters out there. The rafales mod is just "tuned". A delta looses lots of energy on the deck and should not keep up in the rate fight with the F16.
Rip Pakistan 😂😂😂
27 feb 😁
@@human20488 Rip f 16 and that pak general fear 😁 😄.
Wow, this whole time i thought it was called rape fight..... no wonder everyone is looking at me crazy 😝
Lol
Well, the Rafale basically rapes the f-16, so you were right.
Imagine flying against a typhoon, which has 25% more TWR