It’s a geopolitically neutral aircraft. There are really only a few options to buy fighter jets, mainly the US, or Russia (I know there are others, but those are the two main players in the industry) the Rafale is a very capable aircraft, sure there are more stealthy and more capable aircraft, but it is a good way to remain out of the way of the USA V Russia air war while still having a good jet. Also with buying jets from France there are way less strings attached, than other countries would have.
Stealth ? 😂No use against a Rafale today. The Rafale features the new RBE2 active antenna radar, which is capable of tracking multiple targets simultaneously, as well as the Forward Infrared Detection System (IRST), which can detect infrared emissions from aircraft. These combined capabilities improve the Rafale's ability to detect various types of aircraft and including detecting stealth aircraft. And if we add to that part of its weaponry such as missiles Meteor: Long-range air-to-air missile, designed for air superiority and known to be undoubtedly the most effective and devastating. Close air combat, distant air combat, ground attack including with nuclear weapons, electronic warfare, intelligence ....capable of accomplishing different missions simultaneously on the same flight plan with exemplary reliability, this makes the Rafale one of the best aircraft if not the best all categories today.
@@ljm9359 2 Rafale head towards eachother one has a new stealth coating ( freshly applied ) the other has been a bit weathered. One aircraft is ' Stealthier ' than the identical twin piloting the other plane, it gets defeated. Stealth always matters or Dassault would not add it to the equation. The swing role ability is common to many modern aircraft it just depends what you have under the wing you might have some glide bombs , missiles etc but unlikely to have an Exocet and a nuke. Simply doesn't happen. Perhaps the RBE2 is great but it is small and size matters or even a Repositioner for a crafty look around would help. Nothing is perfect and Restricted information rather than myth and magic is the reality Nothing wrong with Patriotic thoughts.
@@NATObait Yes, stealth coating is certainly useful for reducing the radar signature of an aircraft, but it does not make a device completely undetectable. Stealth also depends on the shape of the aircraft, thermal management and the tactics used by the pilots. The Rafale is not designed as a stealth aircraft in the strict sense (like the F-35), but its stealth is optimized by multi-faceted measures, not just cladding. To say that it is "unlikely" to have an Exocet missile and a nuclear weapon under the same wings is not the point. Although these two missions are indeed different (anti-ship and nuclear deterrence), the versatility of the Rafale lies precisely in being able to adapt quickly to different scenarios by modifying its armament. This is the advantage of the "swing-role": a single aircraft can fulfill several missions without having to be specialized, unlike many aircraft of previous generations. Regarding the RBE2, its size is certainly a factor, but not the only determining factor. The Rafale's RBE2 active antenna (AESA) radar is renowned for its reliability, its multiple detection and tracking capability, and its electronic agility. In modern air combat, a smaller but better optimized radar can outperform a larger radar through better signal management and integration with other sensors (SPECTRA, optronic systems, for example) All of these are not a “myth”. There have been numerous tests and feedback from operations (Libya, Syria, etc.) which show that the Rafale’s capabilities are proven in the field. Nations like Egypt, India and the United Arab Emirates did not choose this aircraft for the "myth", but for its concrete performance. Best regards.
@@ljm9359 All aircraft are not perfect, only on the day do they have an advantage. As for Libya it was on Day 11 before Rafale found a radar site to hit ( Tomahawks removed most ) and flying around undetected was done with Gripen doing the Recon . The ' Swing Roll ' function is standard today but lacking is Ground Moving ability on Rafale and 2 way Data Link on F4 .
@@NATObait It is true that the initial strikes, notably with Tomahawk cruise missiles, destroyed a large part of Libyan air defenses. But the Rafale played a crucial role from the start of Operation “Harmattan”. From March 19, the first day of the strikes, the Rafales carried out reconnaissance, air superiority and precision strike missions. The Gripen is a high-performance aircraft with excellent reconnaissance capabilities. However, the Rafale has also demonstrated skills in this area, particularly thanks to its sensors such as the OSF and its AESA RBE2 radar. It should be noted that the Rafale carried out missions without requiring support from the Gripen, it also had the opportunity to act autonomously to collect, process and share information in real time. Concerning ground movement capability (GMTI) The Rafale can be equipped with the TALIOS (Targeting Long-range Identification Optronic System) designation pod, which offers advanced reconnaissance, targeting and surveillance capabilities. This pod makes it possible to identify, track and designate moving targets on the ground, even at long distances. Its optronic sensors offers infrared and electro-optical vision to detect all kinds of vehicles or moving objects. As for the two-way data link, you know as I do that the F4 standard will be fully operational around 2025 and it will incorporate significant improvements in terms of connectivity and data fusion. But you are right, we can always improve but perfection is difficult to achieve in the real world as Aristotle said
The document is interesting but the prices concerning the Rafale and the F 35 are absolutely wrong... The Rafale, despite a number produced much lower than its American competitor, has an average price (average of the three versions B, C, or M) of 74 million euros, or 81 million dollars. Several serious sources give these figures. The F35 was since the beginning more expensive than the Rafale, but soon, thanks to its mass production, it should fall at a price equivalent to the Dassault model.
@@christianrose5566 France are purchasing 42 Rafale jets from Dassault for an agreed price of $131 million per aircraft. That is today's price for an internal purchase no extras needed. LM are selling F35A at $80 million to the USAF this is a demonstration of mass production and orders of 2000+ expected . Hence F35 will always undercut Rafale and other competitors on production cost alone even Gripen!
I question your purchase cost assertion - it’s much more like 115 million per unit for export. Croatia bought 12 for $960 million, unit cost of $80 million. Not as cheap as an F16, way cheaper than a Lightning 2. Much lower sortie costs as well.
It's not only the aircraft they bought with the contract of 960 millions of$. On this contract, they bought also the munitions, some detached pieces, training time, simulator, the maintenance for 10 years probably
12 Rafale F3R used, but refurbished, but at this price, it is necessary to train the pilots, the mechanics!! bring a warranty of x year!! and frequently, with the price of new devices, there is technology transfer! but certainly not in this case! but indeed, there are also ammunition, weapons, specific tools!! but hey, the F16 is a good device, but we can't compare it to the Rafale, it's comparing a Ferrari with a Fiat 500!! the technologies in the Rafale currently are at the top, and if the customer wants to upgrade these Rafales into the future F5 version, Croatia or Greece will just have to pay extra and their Rafale will be retrofitted from F3R to F5!! and there, they would have Rafales with a revolutionary radar, the RBE2 XG or TARAMMAA! capable of detecting stealth aircraft like the F35 or B21!
@@LOLOVAL-os3pqyes well a f 16 is absolutely not a fiat lol especially the block 70 version. It’s more like comparing a nicely spaced amg or Aston Martin to a lower end Ferrari
Rafale is simply the best aircratf ever......it is a jewel like few others in the history of aviation, and I would like to remind you that your figures are wrong, the Rafale is much cheaper than its competitors, you should make sure that your figures are correct. And what's more, France does not practice economic blackmail like the Americans do...if we do not agree with them on political or economic issues we no longer receive any spare parts, this is not the case with France, the French respect their contracts whatever happens.
@@MsTitounet .......well give us the reasons for dissatisfaction instead of simply stating.....but it will be complicated because the Russians have never bought a French plane.
@@-S4TSorry for the delay.I reffered to the fact that the Israelians have no more trusted the French after the''Vedettes de Cherbourg ''file and the Russians have never received their 2 helicopters carriers from France.If you want to be trusted,you have to be fair not only for the aircrafts but also for the warships
In 4 years, stealth will be a feature from the past for all Rafale, with the next radar. It is scheduled on the F5 variant. We postponned it a few time, for budgetary reason and for the sake of not having US loose face, but now, since the stealth trap is not bought by Russia and China fell for it, no need to postpone this evolution anymore.
Rafale cost 74M€ for the biplace version, 68,8M€ for the monoplace version and 79M€ for the Marine version. For gode sake check your sources before saying false information !
Those price doesn't really mean nothing. Check the amount of the Indian first contract. If you divide it by the number of aircrafts, it's more than 100 millions/piece. Because it's include pilots training, maintenance deal, ammunitions, even factories deal on indian soil. Those deals are too complex to affirm that this aircraft cost this much. Every deal is different.
very true, i was baffled by the price showns. If it was really this price, it would be a fucking scam. Rafale isn't cheap but it's not stupidly expensive like this.
The F35A is being bought by the USAF for $80m per aircraft. But that is because the US invested in designing it. For export to Germany, Switzerland and Finland the price is around $170m but they didn't invest and need training, flight simulators, weapons and spares etc. hence an export price v a home nation price is way different. India bought 36 Rafale at $255m each with all extras.
France are buying 42 Rafale for $5.5 billion so that is $131m each while the USAF have paid LM $80m for F35A. That price point is a domestic purchase not an Export cost which would have to include training, flight simulators, weapons, engines , spares etc . Mass production and cheaper weapons than French equivalents are a factor too.
Because it's simply put the technologically best multirole 4th ++ generation fighter on the market. It's literally better then all other 4th generation jet fighters.
Several trend coming to fighter fleet. Gallium nitrites radars, passive airborne radar, multistatic detection, quantum airborne and ground based radar are the biggest challenges to stealth, at least in it’s current form. Combine this with IRST and TV, the increase of computing power and the pace at which thèse technologies go from prototype to deployment and you have the framework that lead to stealth obsolescence in 2030. Will see is active stealth holds it’s promises. But the technological path seem to lead to a dead end. By the way, this is fully taken into account by USA, with the mitridatiaation of the US Air Force, going full speed ahead to millions of flying assets instead of hundreds. Same thing for Iran, China, France, Turkey, UK, Saudi Arabia, EAU, India and China. The goal is to reach security in numbers. I think this trend is the real one. Armenia, Ukraine, Israel battlefield all show it correct. Stealth is used almost nowhere. What seem to be important is the control of the electro magnetic spectrum. The pace at which technology evolve i this areas is by far more impactful on the battlefield than stealth.
@@7up-dp1kk, you have included quite a few topics in your response which will probably need to be discussed separately. I had previously asked for someone to explain what “generation 4++” means. The Russians us 4++ to describe their Flankers but these lack some of the traits of generation 4.5 aircraft. The latest variants of the Rafale are in fact 4.5 generation aircraft. Why did you choose to inject a red herring argument about stealth vein negated by 2030 rather than addressing the question about what a 4++ is or why it would be used to describe the Rafale?
Rafale is not a multirole fighter is a omnirole fighter the difference in a multirole have to change many disposal on the aircraft before changing is mission, a omnirole is ready for a other mission whitout changing anything except bombs or missiles That a great gain of time and cost
The Rafale is not 2x the price of an F35 that's an oversight on your part. The problem is that many fighter contracts contain all the additional parts, equipment and weapons which can easily multiply overall cost to 2 or 2.5 times. The shown cost of an F35 also does not take into account that the F35 needs its own completely integrate fighter support complex which adds to the cost over other designs. Also the fighter is very logistically expensive as it has complex components and stealth material which needs extensive maintenance. The Rafale is roughly the same price for a single airframe at 100 to 120 million (usually 115) USD per aircraft but concurrent cost is lower and availability of the airframe is higher so you need fewer planes to retain the same level of readiness.
@@ASpyNamedJames France are paying Dassault 5.5 billion dollars for 42 Rafale, that is the current internal price for the latest F4 version or $131 million each . LM are building F35A for the USAF for $80 million each. The Rafale is therefore 64% more expensive than F35A in 2024 ( only for internal purchase ) but that is without any extras like weapons, engines, flight simulators , training etc and exports can come with loan and service guaranteed arrangements that typically double those prices. Feel free to Google the purchase of 42 Rafale for the French Government.
euuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh where do you get this price of more than $230 million???? The Rafale C costs 68 million euros, about the same in US dollars! and the Eurofighter costs twice its price! This comment is absurd! unless you have divided the purchase price of a country by the number of planes, but it doesn't work like that, in a sale price, there is the training of pilots, mechanics, integration as for example in India, this country asked Dassault to integrate Indian weapons!! the Dassault warranty, and very often spare parts, and often weapons such as the MICA IR or EM, which is perfectly integrated into the Rafale, the MICA serving as an advanced sensor by sending information about what is in front of the MICA !! in this case, why minimize the price of the F35, since 1996, LM has built around 1000 F35s for a total cost of $1600 billion, if we divide this sum by the number of aircraft, because research and development is not are not making a loss, the manufacturer recovers these billions by integrating them into the selling price, and if we divide 1,600,000,000,000 / 1000 F35 = each F35 will have cost $1.6 billion!! if LM manufactures 2000, that will still be 800 million per F35, 4000 = 400 million per F35 etc, etc. ..............for 8000 F35, that will be $200 million per F35, but provided that 7000 F35 does not cost one $, let's admit 7000 x 100 million $ per F35 = 700,000,000,000 $ + 1,600,000,000,000 = 2,300,000,000,000 $ for 8000 F35 if the USA sells at a loss, it’s to crush the competition!! but hey, an F35 is a pile of scrap metal and the SU35 or SU 57 are no better because they are obsolete!! you have to compare what is comparable, the Rafale is a Formula 1, the F35 is a flying cauldron whose only advantage is its stealth, the worst, it only works against high frequency radars, but there are many other radars that don't care about the passive stealth of the F35!!
Yes, but what is Serbia purchasing exacly for this amount? Only « naked » plane? Or more? What defense package Serbia is buying for the stated amount, you will not know that easyli. Nor would I
@@millmoormichael6630Le TGV qui roule à 300 km/h depuis 40 ans, un des meilleurs tank,sous marin, hélicoptères de combat,ariane ,Rafale,centrale nucléaire.... what else !😎
To all of you who cant Google to find a price for domestic and export costs, remember that is different. You can just pay for an aircraft but typically you might want ; pilot and ground crew training, flight simulators, weapons, spares, extra engines, guarantees for backup, targeting and recon pods etc etc and then offset trade deals, even interest free loans. The manufacturer will need a profit too. Then when you think you have a ' price' the deal is wrapped up with a submarine and anti aircraft total price ( just so you don't know ).
There is an error on the costs of using the Rafale, the French speak in unit cost (per Rafale) on a small squadron (6 Rafales) and on a combat squadron (12 Rafales) which explains the purchases in batches of 6/12/18 French combat aircraft in fact it is between 68 and 75 million $ per Rafale, and not 236 million $
The Rafale had shown to win every single Export Trials in was used in, most country that chose anything else were either not looking for something that big or expensive (Brazil chose the Gripen), and other countrys chose the F35 either because they already own american amrement so it facilitated the change in aircraft, or they were pushed by the US mostly threw the reason of the Nuclear program of the F35.
One of the most successful plane in the world and no one bought it in Europe unlike Croatia and Greece. European Union talk about defence, this is a joke! Time for France to leave that shit
Whats a Raaf-a-lay ? Thought it was a Rafale! Anyway the F4.1 version is on order for $131m by the French AF that is a domestic price the export price normally includes all the extras from ground crew training to weapons. No country explains the breakdown of full costs but offset purchases, loans, guarantees etc all add in the price. Countries like Norway who have money to burn are few and far between so expect a wide price from a domestic purchase to an export cost also a profit is desirable by the manufacturer. This price point is the same for all similar aircraft.
Could it be Rafale comes with extras like ; 1. It's ITAR FREE ( and you can't buy F35 ). 2. France give you a loan 3. Eurofighter has a flip flop partner in Germany who would veto you for not having a vegan breakfast. 4. France is a loyal supplier. Or hopefully Rafale is simply a good fit?
Rafale Was Malaysia Final Candidate For Next MRCA But Have To Postpone Because Of Budget Restraint Need To Spend On Other Issue First(Subsidy) Politician In Government Block Fear Losing Voter Vote If They Withdraw Subsidy USD 15 Billion Per Year With That Amount How Many Rafale Can Malaysia Purchase Let Say Usd 100m Per Aircraft With 15 Billion Malaysia Can Purchase 150 Rafale I Miss 1980 When Malaysia Still Have War Monger Mindset
Super Hornet is Omnirole then also as it can even fold it's wings and has a 2 seat carrier version the Growler. Perhaps the ' Omnirole ' title is just a marketing ploy as neither can land on water like a Catalina flying boat.
They are not buying it for political reasons but because Rafale, is THE best of the best,in it's category!!!!! You also did a huge mistake (maybe on purpose?) on how these cost....
It depends on what type of add-on you take. At this price, you are not just buying the plane. It comes with spare parts, weapons, sensors, pilots and mechanic formation...
non stealth ? are you sure you watched the same video ? because it clearly says it is.. and It is... also the F4 version of the rafale can detect and track any 5th gen fighter, it was one of the features included in that version
@@johndoe-cd9vtRafale can indeed track a F35 but if it is already being tracked first then it's not such a benefit. The generation difference is F35 hides it's weapons and has a built in targeting pod while you dangle those off the pylons and the RCS is much larger ( over 100 X ) ..
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It’s a geopolitically neutral aircraft. There are really only a few options to buy fighter jets, mainly the US, or Russia (I know there are others, but those are the two main players in the industry) the Rafale is a very capable aircraft, sure there are more stealthy and more capable aircraft, but it is a good way to remain out of the way of the USA V Russia air war while still having a good jet.
Also with buying jets from France there are way less strings attached, than other countries would have.
Stealth ? 😂No use against a Rafale today. The Rafale features the new RBE2 active antenna radar, which is capable of tracking multiple targets simultaneously, as well as the Forward Infrared Detection System (IRST), which can detect infrared emissions from aircraft. These combined capabilities improve the Rafale's ability to detect various types of aircraft and including detecting stealth aircraft.
And if we add to that part of its weaponry such as missiles Meteor: Long-range air-to-air missile, designed for air superiority and known to be undoubtedly the most effective and devastating. Close air combat, distant air combat, ground attack including with nuclear weapons, electronic warfare, intelligence ....capable of accomplishing different missions simultaneously on the same flight plan with exemplary reliability, this makes the Rafale one of the best aircraft if not the best all categories today.
@@ljm9359 2 Rafale head towards eachother one has a new stealth coating ( freshly applied ) the other has been a bit weathered. One aircraft is ' Stealthier ' than the identical twin piloting the other plane, it gets defeated. Stealth always matters or Dassault would not add it to the equation.
The swing role ability is common to many modern aircraft it just depends what you have under the wing you might have some glide bombs , missiles etc but unlikely to have an Exocet and a nuke. Simply doesn't happen.
Perhaps the RBE2 is great but it is small and size matters or even a Repositioner for a crafty look around would help. Nothing is perfect and Restricted information rather than myth and magic is the reality
Nothing wrong with Patriotic thoughts.
@@NATObait Yes, stealth coating is certainly useful for reducing the radar signature of an aircraft, but it does not make a device completely undetectable. Stealth also depends on the shape of the aircraft, thermal management and the tactics used by the pilots. The Rafale is not designed as a stealth aircraft in the strict sense (like the F-35), but its stealth is optimized by multi-faceted measures, not just cladding.
To say that it is "unlikely" to have an Exocet missile and a nuclear weapon under the same wings is not the point. Although these two missions are indeed different (anti-ship and nuclear deterrence), the versatility of the Rafale lies precisely in being able to adapt quickly to different scenarios by modifying its armament. This is the advantage of the "swing-role": a single aircraft can fulfill several missions without having to be specialized, unlike many aircraft of previous generations.
Regarding the RBE2, its size is certainly a factor, but not the only determining factor. The Rafale's RBE2 active antenna (AESA) radar is renowned for its reliability, its multiple detection and tracking capability, and its electronic agility. In modern air combat, a smaller but better optimized radar can outperform a larger radar through better signal management and integration with other sensors (SPECTRA, optronic systems, for example)
All of these are not a “myth”. There have been numerous tests and feedback from operations (Libya, Syria, etc.) which show that the Rafale’s capabilities are proven in the field. Nations like Egypt, India and the United Arab Emirates did not choose this aircraft for the "myth", but for its concrete performance.
Best regards.
@@ljm9359 All aircraft are not perfect, only on the day do they have an advantage. As for Libya it was on Day 11 before Rafale found a radar site to hit ( Tomahawks removed most ) and flying around undetected was done with Gripen doing the Recon . The ' Swing Roll ' function is standard today but lacking is Ground Moving ability on Rafale and 2 way Data Link on F4 .
@@NATObait It is true that the initial strikes, notably with Tomahawk cruise missiles, destroyed a large part of Libyan air defenses. But the Rafale played a crucial role from the start of Operation “Harmattan”. From March 19, the first day of the strikes, the Rafales carried out reconnaissance, air superiority and precision strike missions.
The Gripen is a high-performance aircraft with excellent reconnaissance capabilities. However, the Rafale has also demonstrated skills in this area, particularly thanks to its sensors such as the OSF and its AESA RBE2 radar. It should be noted that the Rafale carried out missions without requiring support from the Gripen, it also had the opportunity to act autonomously to collect, process and share information in real time.
Concerning ground movement capability (GMTI) The Rafale can be equipped with the TALIOS (Targeting Long-range Identification Optronic System) designation pod, which offers advanced reconnaissance, targeting and surveillance capabilities. This pod makes it possible to identify, track and designate moving targets on the ground, even at long distances. Its optronic sensors offers infrared and electro-optical vision to detect all kinds of vehicles or moving objects.
As for the two-way data link, you know as I do that the F4 standard will be fully operational around 2025 and it will incorporate significant improvements in terms of connectivity and data fusion.
But you are right, we can always improve but perfection is difficult to achieve in the real world as Aristotle said
The document is interesting but the prices concerning the Rafale and the F 35 are absolutely wrong...
The Rafale, despite a number produced much lower than its American competitor, has an average price (average of the three versions B, C, or M) of 74 million euros, or 81 million dollars. Several serious sources give these figures. The F35 was since the beginning more expensive than the Rafale, but soon, thanks to its mass production, it should fall at a price equivalent to the Dassault model.
Came here to say that, it seems to be about 100 million for both
@Hypersonic-es6vh The Rafale is around 100 million as well.
@Hypersonic-es6vh So both are *around* 100 million, as opposed to the 200 million quoted in the video
@Hypersonic-es6vh We agree, both are about 100 million
@@christianrose5566 France are purchasing 42 Rafale jets from Dassault for an agreed price of $131 million per aircraft. That is today's price for an internal purchase no extras needed.
LM are selling F35A at $80 million to the USAF this is a demonstration of mass production and orders of 2000+ expected . Hence F35 will always undercut Rafale and other competitors on production cost alone even Gripen!
I question your purchase cost assertion - it’s much more like 115 million per unit for export. Croatia bought 12 for $960 million, unit cost of $80 million. Not as cheap as an F16, way cheaper than a Lightning 2. Much lower sortie costs as well.
It's not only the aircraft they bought with the contract of 960 millions of$. On this contract, they bought also the munitions, some detached pieces, training time, simulator, the maintenance for 10 years probably
Croatia Paid 1.1 billion euros.
@@FantaisymanCroatia is paying 1.1 billion euros.
12 Rafale F3R used, but refurbished, but at this price, it is necessary to train the pilots, the mechanics!! bring a warranty of x year!! and frequently, with the price of new devices, there is technology transfer! but certainly not in this case! but indeed, there are also ammunition, weapons, specific tools!! but hey, the F16 is a good device, but we can't compare it to the Rafale, it's comparing a Ferrari with a Fiat 500!! the technologies in the Rafale currently are at the top, and if the customer wants to upgrade these Rafales into the future F5 version, Croatia or Greece will just have to pay extra and their Rafale will be retrofitted from F3R to F5!! and there, they would have Rafales with a revolutionary radar, the RBE2 XG or TARAMMAA! capable of detecting stealth aircraft like the F35 or B21!
@@LOLOVAL-os3pqyes well a f 16 is absolutely not a fiat lol especially the block 70 version. It’s more like comparing a nicely spaced amg or Aston Martin to a lower end Ferrari
The stabilizers had me at “Hello”! Landing on the Aircraft Carrier was beautiful.
Rafale is simply the best aircratf ever......it is a jewel like few others in the history of aviation, and I would like to remind you that your figures are wrong, the Rafale is much cheaper than its competitors, you should make sure that your figures are correct.
And what's more, France does not practice economic blackmail like the Americans do...if we do not agree with them on political or economic issues we no longer receive any spare parts, this is not the case with France, the French respect their contracts whatever happens.
What you say about the respect of their contracts by the French is wrong.Ask the Israelis and the Russians....
@@MsTitounet .......well give us the reasons for dissatisfaction instead of simply stating.....but it will be complicated because the Russians have never bought a French plane.
@@MsTitounet .....OK then?....these points of dissatisfaction? we are still waiting! you're going under a tunnel, right? loool
@@MsTitounetit's been 3 months and nothing lol
@@-S4TSorry for the delay.I reffered to the fact that the Israelians have no more trusted the French after the''Vedettes de Cherbourg ''file and the Russians have never received their 2 helicopters carriers from France.If you want to be trusted,you have to be fair not only for the aircrafts but also for the warships
Plus rafale is less expensif for repairs and preparation for a mission and now having a lower cost to buy it compared to F35
Best jet in the world.
Not stealth.
In 4 years, stealth will be a feature from the past for all Rafale, with the next radar. It is scheduled on the F5 variant. We postponned it a few time, for budgetary reason and for the sake of not having US loose face, but now, since the stealth trap is not bought by Russia and China fell for it, no need to postpone this evolution anymore.
@@badgerattoadhall No knowledge. It is the BEST in it's category.
It is the best. The more complated. Every pilots know it....
@@7up-dp1kk Stop bullshitting american aviation is much better than french eurocrap
Best multirole fighter jet with few geopolitical problem.
Rafale cost 74M€ for the biplace version, 68,8M€ for the monoplace version and 79M€ for the Marine version.
For gode sake check your sources before saying false information !
Those price doesn't really mean nothing. Check the amount of the Indian first contract. If you divide it by the number of aircrafts, it's more than 100 millions/piece. Because it's include pilots training, maintenance deal, ammunitions, even factories deal on indian soil. Those deals are too complex to affirm that this aircraft cost this much. Every deal is different.
very true, i was baffled by the price showns. If it was really this price, it would be a fucking scam. Rafale isn't cheap but it's not stupidly expensive like this.
Why You Make It Hard, Dual Sitter 75m€
Single Sitter 68.8m€
Carrier Version 79m€
@@cocoblizzard True but "more than 100M" is not 236M. 236M is a silly number coming out of nowhere.
The F35A is being bought by the USAF for $80m per aircraft. But that is because the US invested in designing it. For export to Germany, Switzerland and Finland the price is around $170m but they didn't invest and need training, flight simulators, weapons and spares etc. hence an export price v a home nation price is way different. India bought 36 Rafale at $255m each with all extras.
France are buying 42 Rafale for $5.5 billion so that is $131m each while the USAF have paid LM $80m for F35A. That price point is a domestic purchase not an Export cost which would have to include training, flight simulators, weapons, engines , spares etc . Mass production and cheaper weapons than French equivalents are a factor too.
Because it's simply put the technologically best multirole 4th ++ generation fighter on the market.
It's literally better then all other 4th generation jet fighters.
What does 4++ mean?
Russia uses this term to describe aircraft lacking many capabilities of Gen 4.5 aircraft.
You know that in 2027, stealth will be a relic of the past and by 2030, it will be generalized on all french fighter jets? So generation.. you know…
@@7up-dp1kk, what will cause stealth to be a relic in 2030?
Several trend coming to fighter fleet. Gallium nitrites radars, passive airborne radar, multistatic detection, quantum airborne and ground based radar are the biggest challenges to stealth, at least in it’s current form. Combine this with IRST and TV, the increase of computing power and the pace at which thèse technologies go from prototype to deployment and you have the framework that lead to stealth obsolescence in 2030. Will see is active stealth holds it’s promises. But the technological path seem to lead to a dead end.
By the way, this is fully taken into account by USA, with the mitridatiaation of the US Air Force, going full speed ahead to millions of flying assets instead of hundreds. Same thing for Iran, China, France, Turkey, UK, Saudi Arabia, EAU, India and China. The goal is to reach security in numbers. I think this trend is the real one. Armenia, Ukraine, Israel battlefield all show it correct. Stealth is used almost nowhere. What seem to be important is the control of the electro magnetic spectrum. The pace at which technology evolve i this areas is by far more impactful on the battlefield than stealth.
@@7up-dp1kk, you have included quite a few topics in your response which will probably need to be discussed separately.
I had previously asked for someone to explain what “generation 4++” means. The Russians us 4++ to describe their Flankers but these lack some of the traits of generation 4.5 aircraft. The latest variants of the Rafale are in fact 4.5 generation aircraft.
Why did you choose to inject a red herring argument about stealth vein negated by 2030 rather than addressing the question about what a 4++ is or why it would be used to describe the Rafale?
Every pilots know... the Rafale is the best
Rafale is not a multirole fighter is a omnirole fighter the difference in a multirole have to change many disposal on the aircraft before changing is mission, a omnirole is ready for a other mission whitout changing anything except bombs or missiles That a great gain of time and cost
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The Rafale is not 2x the price of an F35 that's an oversight on your part. The problem is that many fighter contracts contain all the additional parts, equipment and weapons which can easily multiply overall cost to 2 or 2.5 times. The shown cost of an F35 also does not take into account that the F35 needs its own completely integrate fighter support complex which adds to the cost over other designs. Also the fighter is very logistically expensive as it has complex components and stealth material which needs extensive maintenance. The Rafale is roughly the same price for a single airframe at 100 to 120 million (usually 115) USD per aircraft but concurrent cost is lower and availability of the airframe is higher so you need fewer planes to retain the same level of readiness.
@@ASpyNamedJames France are paying Dassault 5.5 billion dollars for 42 Rafale, that is the current internal price for the latest F4 version or $131 million each . LM are building F35A for the USAF for $80 million each.
The Rafale is therefore 64% more expensive than F35A in 2024 ( only for internal purchase ) but that is without any extras like weapons, engines, flight simulators , training etc and exports can come with loan and service guaranteed arrangements that typically double those prices. Feel free to Google the purchase of 42 Rafale for the French Government.
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You forgot to mention that the cost per hour of flight is very competitive for the rafale. Much cheaper than the F35 for instance
euuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh where do you get this price of more than $230 million???? The Rafale C costs 68 million euros, about the same in US dollars! and the Eurofighter costs twice its price! This comment is absurd! unless you have divided the purchase price of a country by the number of planes, but it doesn't work like that, in a sale price, there is the training of pilots, mechanics, integration as for example in India, this country asked Dassault to integrate Indian weapons!! the Dassault warranty, and very often spare parts, and often weapons such as the MICA IR or EM, which is perfectly integrated into the Rafale, the MICA serving as an advanced sensor by sending information about what is in front of the MICA !! in this case, why minimize the price of the F35, since 1996, LM has built around 1000 F35s for a total cost of $1600 billion, if we divide this sum by the number of aircraft, because research and development is not are not making a loss, the manufacturer recovers these billions by integrating them into the selling price, and if we divide 1,600,000,000,000 / 1000 F35 = each F35 will have cost $1.6 billion!! if LM manufactures 2000, that will still be 800 million per F35, 4000 = 400 million per F35 etc, etc. ..............for 8000 F35, that will be $200 million per F35, but provided that 7000 F35 does not cost one $, let's admit 7000 x 100 million $ per F35 = 700,000,000,000 $ + 1,600,000,000,000 = 2,300,000,000,000 $ for 8000 F35 if the USA sells at a loss, it’s to crush the competition!! but hey, an F35 is a pile of scrap metal and the SU35 or SU 57 are no better because they are obsolete!! you have to compare what is comparable, the Rafale is a Formula 1, the F35 is a flying cauldron whose only advantage is its stealth, the worst, it only works against high frequency radars, but there are many other radars that don't care about the passive stealth of the F35!!
Yea I’m probs gonna drop 68 MIL on one of these next week
@@sambothebold look at wikipedia, instead of repeating your bullshit!!
Serbia order new Rafal 4.1,for 12 Rafal 3.2 bilion euro,with spear parts,misils,bombs...Rafal is mutch expensive...
Yes, but what is Serbia purchasing exacly for this amount? Only « naked » plane? Or more? What defense package Serbia is buying for the stated amount, you will not know that easyli. Nor would I
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cars are shit though 😂
@@millmoormichael6630 renault peugeot citroen? better than japanese cars less than german and italian cars.
@@millmoormichael6630 which country are you from so we can compare?
@@millmoormichael6630Le TGV qui roule à 300 km/h depuis 40 ans, un des meilleurs tank,sous marin, hélicoptères de combat,ariane ,Rafale,centrale nucléaire.... what else !😎
To all of you who cant Google to find a price for domestic and export costs, remember that is different. You can just pay for an aircraft but typically you might want ; pilot and ground crew training, flight simulators, weapons, spares, extra engines, guarantees for backup, targeting and recon pods etc etc and then offset trade deals, even interest free loans. The manufacturer will need a profit too. Then when you think you have a ' price' the deal is wrapped up with a submarine and anti aircraft total price ( just so you don't know ).
There is an error on the costs of using the Rafale, the French speak in unit cost (per Rafale) on a small squadron (6 Rafales) and on a combat squadron (12 Rafales) which explains the purchases in batches of 6/12/18 French combat aircraft
in fact it is between 68 and 75 million $ per Rafale, and not 236 million $
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The Rafale had shown to win every single Export Trials in was used in, most country that chose anything else were either not looking for something that big or expensive (Brazil chose the Gripen), and other countrys chose the F35 either because they already own american amrement so it facilitated the change in aircraft, or they were pushed by the US mostly threw the reason of the Nuclear program of the F35.
One of the most successful plane in the world and no one bought it in Europe unlike Croatia and Greece. European Union talk about defence, this is a joke! Time for France to leave that shit
Everyone bought it after us 😅in Egypt 🇪🇬 we believed first in this fighter jet ❤️🇪🇬 🇫🇷
I dont know much but I know your price guide is way out.
The only omnirole aircraft. Simply put, if you had to build an airforce comprised of one single aircraft, the top option would be the rafale
Whats a Raaf-a-lay ? Thought it was a Rafale! Anyway the F4.1 version is on order for $131m by the French AF that is a domestic price the export price normally includes all the extras from ground crew training to weapons. No country explains the breakdown of full costs but offset purchases, loans, guarantees etc all add in the price. Countries like Norway who have money to burn are few and far between so expect a wide price from a domestic purchase to an export cost also a profit is desirable by the manufacturer.
This price point is the same for all similar aircraft.
Rafale combat proven , F 35 breackdown proven...Simple , basic !
😅 Rafale combat proven over Libya where it met no hostile adversaries.
This video is plain nonsense with poorly pronounced naration
its an AI tts narrator.its dogshit
How is the plane name pronounced?
Rafale, Rafail, Rafalley...By God man, just pick one!
Could it be Rafale comes with extras like ;
1. It's ITAR FREE ( and you can't buy F35 ).
2. France give you a loan
3. Eurofighter has a flip flop partner in Germany who would veto you for not having a vegan breakfast.
4. France is a loyal supplier.
Or hopefully Rafale is simply a good fit?
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The actual reason is because F-35 is off limits and is only sold to very close allies.
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Why is there a Malaysian flag? Malaysia not buying Rafale 😂
Potency..bangladrsh malaysia,😂😂😂😂
@@ErwinErw-p4y potency?
Rafale Was Malaysia Final Candidate For Next MRCA But Have To Postpone Because Of Budget Restraint Need To Spend On Other Issue First(Subsidy) Politician In Government Block Fear Losing Voter Vote If They Withdraw Subsidy USD 15 Billion Per Year With That Amount How Many Rafale Can Malaysia Purchase
Let Say Usd 100m Per Aircraft With 15 Billion Malaysia Can Purchase 150 Rafale
I Miss 1980 When Malaysia Still Have War Monger Mindset
@@sayfolman7752 150 billion Malaysian?
rafale is not multirol but omnirol, and it is cheaper than the two other fighters
Super Hornet is Omnirole then also as it can even fold it's wings and has a 2 seat carrier version the Growler. Perhaps the ' Omnirole ' title is just a marketing ploy as neither can land on water like a Catalina flying boat.
My Fiat car aged 20 is 0.0002 million of american dollars ! One plane = 500 000 fiat panda aged 20 old !
Who is everyone?
They are not buying it for political reasons but because Rafale, is THE best of the best,in it's category!!!!! You also did a huge mistake (maybe on purpose?) on how these cost....
What do you say everyone,what the hell!!!
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Rafal is to much expesive.Serbia order 12 new Rafal 4.1 ,for 3.2 bilions...
It depends on what type of add-on you take. At this price, you are not just buying the plane. It comes with spare parts, weapons, sensors, pilots and mechanic formation...
Serbia will never get the rafale aircrafts 😂
Half the price is for weapons though
when you buy an aircraft like the Rafale, States always buy the weapon systems, missiles etc.... with it. That's why.
Serbia paying €2.7 billion for 12 new Rafale F4.1 , that is surprising as Serbia was shooting at French jets during the Yugoslavia Civil War.
Bangladesh 🇧🇩
Na it’s a stupid decision. Still inferior to F-35 for the same price segment
It not a stupid décision since they are independent from the US and they got a plane that had the capability of beating the f22
236 million dollars for a non stealth fighter. 😂
This price is wrong. It's allmost 90 millions of $ with all the equipments
non stealth ? are you sure you watched the same video ? because it clearly says it is.. and It is...
also the F4 version of the rafale can detect and track any 5th gen fighter, it was one of the features included in that version
Tu sais ce qui est vraiment drôle ? Les abrutis qui y croient, sûrement les mêmes qui pensent que la furtivité et plus important que tout le reste.
oui mais il vole
@@johndoe-cd9vtRafale can indeed track a F35 but if it is already being tracked first then it's not such a benefit. The generation difference is F35 hides it's weapons and has a built in targeting pod while you dangle those off the pylons and the RCS is much larger ( over 100 X ) ..
One Rafale gets you 2 F35s, why buys the Rafale? This does not make sense.
(2 X 0) < 1
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Like French cars are a guarantee for rust? 😊
My Peugot is 13 years old and has always been parked outdoors. It doesnt have a speck of rust.
pfffff !!!!
Ra-fail 😂
It’s over-priced for a 4.5 GEN aircraft……but, with two engines, it’s good for maritime operations.
French say oui oui
oui oui
serbia? hahahahah
nous sommes alliés depuis longtemps !
SU35 would put that thing into dirt.