Join me for snowboard camp at buckhouseindy.com If you want to grab the proteus snowboard that can change camber shapes you can grab it here: www.proteussnowboards.com/shop/evolve/ Remember to grab Evolution Stickers and Merch here: www.etsy.com/shop/KeepevolvingCO?ref=seller-platform-mcnav
Gotta say: I love the entire setup you have---step in bindings and customizable-camber snowboard!!! Great for speed-entry and versatility! This would be my ideal setup to ride anywhere, if I was gonna be traveling around the world with a board. Thanks for the awesome and thorough explanation and demo! Best one I've seen so far!
You’re also forgetting triple camber, directional camber and rocker. Libtech C2 should make it easier for you to rudder-steer tight corners with the back foot. Your weight is basically on the small real estate of rocker in the center because it acts as a pivot point. The board won’t dig into the ground because of the camber pocket when you twist your board. The camber pockets aren’t completely compressed like a single camber board.
I’ve only ever ridden flat to rocker n rocker hybrid boards..2018 gnu headspace and recently picked up 2022 neversummer harpoon that I’ll try for the first time this season
@JohnathanBuckhouse it's really great, I'd love to see you review one if you haven't gotten a chance. Floaty, cruisy, forgiving, fun, but can still hold an edge and carry decent speed! Great for intermediate folks like myself who need one board for everything
Man you scared me talking about the rocker earlier on, but then mentioned the hybrid profile being really good. Just bought a Riders Choice with the C2X, havent ridden for a few years, cant wait to rip it
I feel like you kinda left a lot to be said for rocker boards. They are a lot of fun if you like to feel kinda "surfy" and "floaty." Yeah if you're gonna be carving on icy runs out east then a camber board is probably best but you can absolutely have a fun time with a rocker style board just gliding around and doing spins on a twin rocker board. That's a blast. I get it tho if you wanna carve on packed snow you'll have to dig in a lot more. Also they're great for helping beginners gain some speed and confidence because you're less likely to catch an edge on them since you don't have as much "bite" as a camber board. Put a beginner on a rocker board for a season and they'll fall in love with snowboarding, next season sell the deck and keep the bindings and buy a camber board!
Brilliant explanation of all the board types and what it’s good/not so good for, I started snowboarding around 2 years ago and my board is a rocker board and I always wondered why I couldn’t pop up the same as some of my friends with a normal camber board but now it totally explains all things I’ve thought but not know was happening while on the board 👍🏻 but also kinda cool to know my board is good for nose/tail presses/butters and rails cause that’s my next step on getting better at riding.
I'm looking at getting this board . I've only been snowboarding once but picked it up quickly . Was linking turns on day two so now looking to get my own set up
Anyone else have experience with these Proteus boards? The designs, technology and concept seem super cool, but they aren't very well known and after reading some forum posts saying that it sacrifices performance for marketing I'm conflicted.
I have a hybrid profile. I love the profile because it suits how i like to ride. But i wish i could quickly switch to traditional camber once in a while without switching boards. The proteus board is great. I wish it could do hybrid but all the other stuff it can do is great. S profile and flat especially.
Traditional Camber is the best! Honestly whatever board has the closest sidecut and flex to an old Capita Stairmaster at the moment is the best board. Do everything and almost pretty hard to max out unless is super chattery and you are hauling.
damn, dude!? my 2009 Stairmaster is done and I'm looking for replacement, I'd buy the exact same board if I was able to find a new one. My shortlist are Pathfinder and Thunderstick. Sugestions welcome, 100% camber or nearly is a must!
Even if you don't do any freestyle or carving (wait, what DO you do?) I don't like reverse camber aka full rocker boards for beginners or anyone who wants to traverse. On hardpack, a rocker board will slide sideways downhill almost as much as it goes forward. Beginners like rocker when learning their first turns, since rocker isn't catchy and just wants to turn. But when they want to leave the bunny hill, rocker only can be a real handicap. Obviously, for flat ground tricks, it's a cool toy. But I'd call that a specialized board, much more than beginners seem to recognize. Just my 2 cents as an ex instructor who often got the "what should i buy?" question.😂 My teaching board was flat. Still have it to play on. Very forgiving on landings, doesn't wash out badly if you know how to engage your edges actively. Great video! Thanks for laying it out and demonstrating it all in detail!
Just was snowboarding in the swiss alps for a day and grapped my board, realizing itˋs a 24 year old burton seven raven with burton custom straps. Board is pretty banged up from freeriding 20 years ago and hitting some rocks. My spy googles frame just crumpled and left me with the lens. The board held up very nice, hit 80km/h easy with full control. Nothing broke, me neither. Rails were rusty and not really sharp so icy black slopes were not fun. But to be honest, not having ridden for 8 years, itˋs better to go full on carving down that stuff and just slide it, even if it hurts my pride.
The whole adjustment system adds 6 ounces to the center of the board. We are able to make up this added weight by using ultralight Paulownia wood throughout low stress areas of our core to save an additional 8 ounces in the overall build.
@@Johnny-Utah-91 Our design allows for any flex in the board to relieve tension in the mechanism. We've found that the board will snap in half before the mechanism fails, so you've usually got bigger problems. That being said, if one side of mechanism fails you are stuck with that side of the board in camber. The boards are by default an aggressive camber shape which gives you the best natural response and pop. The mechanism just allows you unlock all of the other shape possibilities.
Hey I'm new I want to start snowboard. Which one shape u recommend for starters. Im intirested into camber. Should I choose camber ? And how tall snowboard I need if Im 64kg and 164xm high. I need your help.
You can totally start with camber! Or flat profile. As for snowboard size you need to find the board you want and then look up the size chart for that snowboard. It’s different for every snowboard and every snowboard has a size chart.
@@JohnathanBuckhouse sorry for disturbing, but wich one you recomand? Can you send a link? And you said - There is difference betwen every snowboards. Are those differences very big? Like if for me is good 159 snowboard so if Im saying good another snowboard 159 can be longer? Btw I from Lithuania(europe) so I need snowboard that I can buy becouse I from europe. I apologize for the mistakes I made while writing.
awesome content! I've got an old burton custom with hybrid camber. I rode a newer camber recently and it blew my mind. I thought I'd next try a rocker. Did that this weekend. It was really washy but great in the powder. Now I'm considering upgrading to the camber board. I never tried it in the powder though. So I'm hoping that I don't hate it. How have you found camber in the powder?
@@JohnathanBuckhouse it might be the a weird visual thing but in several videos especially the 300 Amazon video it looks like the longer section of the board is behind you in the clips where you are talking to the camera and several jumps
Crazy, i started riding in 87' i ride flat wide boards. The only combination i own is a flat rocker. In my opinion, its never the arrow. Its the indian.
I have one for park/riding with beginner friends. They’re a lot of fun for butters and more forgiving in the park. Definitely not my primary board though.
Not strictly accurate as you can have stiff as well as flexie reverse camber boards, and stiff or flexie full camber boards - each would suit a different rider as it's all down to personal preference, so just go demo some before buying one. The best thing a beginner can get is a soft, flexie board in either reverse or normal camber, as they'll need to learn now to flex it to turn which is easier on a soft board. Then, once muscle memory has it down, buy a more intermediate board. Basically go to a shop, be honest about your ability level and what you want to do, and they'll recommend the best board for you.
@@masxhk yeah - I’ve finally seen some honest reviews circulating from non-influencers the past week or so - would rather a cushy ride than a convenient strap-in
So what you're telling me is that we should all buy your board so that way we can learn on flat, and then as we learn different things we can have our board adapt to that. Sounds like a good way to save some money instead of have 5 different snowboards🤔🤔🤔
I been on shitier boards whit camber thats carve worse then the rocker ones i owned. A nuddle camber bends more then a stiff rocker.and wheres the talking of the benefits whit it, eas, faster edge to edge and they ripp in pow.
Dude, u keep commenting on qualities of rocker in powder and yet you are not in powder for a second in this video. The truth is there's no better shape for powder than full rocker, period. S camber is a compromise.
This is all BS. Go back and watch snowboard films like Snowboarders in Critical Condition or Creatures of Habit Part 2 (and a dozens more from around 1990+) and all there were was cambered boards. It wasn't even spoken about. Watch that wave of riders like Shawn Farmer, Shaun Palmer, Chris Roach, Mike Ranquet, Noah Salasnek, Nick Perata, John Cardiel, Dave Seoane etc. etc. They could ride & rip everything & anything with just cambered boards. These days people make it sound like if you want to ride a certain style then you have to get this specific profile. And back then us non pros mostly had one board for everything; powder, ice, slush, crust, groomers etc. It was unheard of to have multiple boards for different purposes. People waste too much time & energy in overthinking & over analyzing camber profiles. See if someone can do a blind test where they have different brands & models of different profiles then see, since they are experts, if they can pick out what profile it is just by riding. Just find an appropriate length/width board, check the flex & if the graphics pass muster - just buy it. Nobody's ever going to say (after their first day on their new board); "Dammit, I screwed up. This cambered board sucks, I knew I should have gotten a reverse cambered board - I can't turn, stop, do 180's, 360's, 540's, slides, rails etc. now." It's like basketball shoes; if you have the skill you can play ball & slam dunk - whether you have on $20 WalMart shoes or $300 Nike's. The shoe isn't going to determine how you play. Same with snowboarding; either you can do it or you can't - the camber profile doesn't mean anything.
Man you scared me talking about the rocker earlier on, but then mentioned the hybrid profile being really good. Just bought a Riders Choice with the C2X, havent ridden for a few years, cant wait to rip it
Join me for snowboard camp at buckhouseindy.com
If you want to grab the proteus snowboard that can change camber shapes you can grab it here: www.proteussnowboards.com/shop/evolve/
Remember to grab Evolution Stickers and Merch here: www.etsy.com/shop/KeepevolvingCO?ref=seller-platform-mcnav
Wish I could I’m only 13
Best camber rocker video I’ve seen to explain the difference and showing a good example after. Good work!
Sick board also
Thank you 🙏🏼
Gotta say: I love the entire setup you have---step in bindings and customizable-camber snowboard!!! Great for speed-entry and versatility! This would be my ideal setup to ride anywhere, if I was gonna be traveling around the world with a board. Thanks for the awesome and thorough explanation and demo! Best one I've seen so far!
WHAT!! I’ve never seen such a thing in all my days!! An any shape board!
I love hybrid. My favorite. I think I’m one of the few who just don’t enjoy traditional camber decks.
You’re also forgetting triple camber, directional camber and rocker.
Libtech C2 should make it easier for you to rudder-steer tight corners with the back foot. Your weight is basically on the small real estate of rocker in the center because it acts as a pivot point. The board won’t dig into the ground because of the camber pocket when you twist your board. The camber pockets aren’t completely compressed like a single camber board.
Regular camber is my favourite . Carving + pow is all i need mostly, and what i enjoy the most
I’ve only ever ridden flat to rocker n rocker hybrid boards..2018 gnu headspace and recently picked up 2022 neversummer harpoon that I’ll try for the first time this season
Oh try full camber! It will be stiffer
harpoon is a great low key powder board
Burton flying V shape is the absolute best I've ridden if you want all mountain capable single board.
Nice!
@JohnathanBuckhouse it's really great, I'd love to see you review one if you haven't gotten a chance. Floaty, cruisy, forgiving, fun, but can still hold an edge and carry decent speed! Great for intermediate folks like myself who need one board for everything
Man you scared me talking about the rocker earlier on, but then mentioned the hybrid profile being really good. Just bought a Riders Choice with the C2X, havent ridden for a few years, cant wait to rip it
Heck yeah! Send it
You’ll never go back once you ride a Mervin Made with magne traction
Never Summer rocker between the feet and camber on the nose and tail is superior to all!!! Trust me bro!
That is the hybrid camper I was talking about. It’s ok 🤘🏼
the goat of snowboard
🙏🏼🙏🏼
I feel like you kinda left a lot to be said for rocker boards. They are a lot of fun if you like to feel kinda "surfy" and "floaty." Yeah if you're gonna be carving on icy runs out east then a camber board is probably best but you can absolutely have a fun time with a rocker style board just gliding around and doing spins on a twin rocker board. That's a blast. I get it tho if you wanna carve on packed snow you'll have to dig in a lot more. Also they're great for helping beginners gain some speed and confidence because you're less likely to catch an edge on them since you don't have as much "bite" as a camber board. Put a beginner on a rocker board for a season and they'll fall in love with snowboarding, next season sell the deck and keep the bindings and buy a camber board!
Brilliant explanation of all the board types and what it’s good/not so good for, I started snowboarding around 2 years ago and my board is a rocker board and I always wondered why I couldn’t pop up the same as some of my friends with a normal camber board but now it totally explains all things I’ve thought but not know was happening while on the board 👍🏻 but also kinda cool to know my board is good for nose/tail presses/butters and rails cause that’s my next step on getting better at riding.
I'm on directional camber. Burton Cartographer. If you like to carve and cruise, it's nice!!
Sick!
I'm looking at getting this board . I've only been snowboarding once but picked it up quickly . Was linking turns on day two so now looking to get my own set up
Soggy Ollie is a perfection description 😂
That board is crazy super cool
Right 🙌🏼
Damm, out tha game for season and, boom a board that can change rocker shape! Wow. Just. Wow.
Why is nobody talking about the guy falling behind him as he said, "Land back seat?" 😂
🤣😂🤣
because people understand, that guy was simply demonstrating what JB was talking about. :P
Anyone else have experience with these Proteus boards? The designs, technology and concept seem super cool, but they aren't very well known and after reading some forum posts saying that it sacrifices performance for marketing I'm conflicted.
What did you choose?
I have a hybrid profile. I love the profile because it suits how i like to ride. But i wish i could quickly switch to traditional camber once in a while without switching boards. The proteus board is great. I wish it could do hybrid but all the other stuff it can do is great. S profile and flat especially.
Traditional Camber is the best!
Honestly whatever board has the closest sidecut and flex to an old Capita Stairmaster at the moment is the best board. Do everything and almost pretty hard to max out unless is super chattery and you are hauling.
damn, dude!?
my 2009 Stairmaster is done and I'm looking for replacement, I'd buy the exact same board if I was able to find a new one.
My shortlist are Pathfinder and Thunderstick.
Sugestions welcome, 100% camber or nearly is a must!
Let’s see your MFM with the rocker board. Is it any better than with the camber?
Oh I like that idea 💡
Even if you don't do any freestyle or carving (wait, what DO you do?) I don't like reverse camber aka full rocker boards for beginners or anyone who wants to traverse. On hardpack, a rocker board will slide sideways downhill almost as much as it goes forward.
Beginners like rocker when learning their first turns, since rocker isn't catchy and just wants to turn. But when they want to leave the bunny hill, rocker only can be a real handicap.
Obviously, for flat ground tricks, it's a cool toy. But I'd call that a specialized board, much more than beginners seem to recognize.
Just my 2 cents as an ex instructor who often got the "what should i buy?" question.😂
My teaching board was flat. Still have it to play on. Very forgiving on landings, doesn't wash out badly if you know how to engage your edges actively.
Great video! Thanks for laying it out and demonstrating it all in detail!
I liked learning on rocker. It’s doesn’t catch an edge as easy.
Just was snowboarding in the swiss alps for a day and grapped my board, realizing itˋs a 24 year old burton seven raven with burton custom straps. Board is pretty banged up from freeriding 20 years ago and hitting some rocks. My spy googles frame just crumpled and left me with the lens. The board held up very nice, hit 80km/h easy with full control. Nothing broke, me neither. Rails were rusty and not really sharp so icy black slopes were not fun. But to be honest, not having ridden for 8 years, itˋs better to go full on carving down that stuff and just slide it, even if it hurts my pride.
Cool board but I wonder about the weigh since it has that contraption to change shapes.
The whole adjustment system adds 6 ounces to the center of the board. We are able to make up this added weight by using ultralight Paulownia wood throughout low stress areas of our core to save an additional 8 ounces in the overall build.
@@proteussnowboards thanks for the explanation. Love the concept but what if the whole adjustment mechanism stopped working?
@@Johnny-Utah-91 Our design allows for any flex in the board to relieve tension in the mechanism. We've found that the board will snap in half before the mechanism fails, so you've usually got bigger problems. That being said, if one side of mechanism fails you are stuck with that side of the board in camber. The boards are by default an aggressive camber shape which gives you the best natural response and pop. The mechanism just allows you unlock all of the other shape possibilities.
wow that's bananas, a board that can change profile1
Which one causes more hip pain?
Definitely learned a lot from this video! Thanks!
Glad to hear it 🙌🏼 I know so much more than before 😂
Were you up at Arctic Valley last week? Swore I saw one of your black trailers rolling through Eagle River by my house
Get hybrid quadruple early and late rise flat rocker camber reverse camber. It's the only way to go!
Which one is best for intermediates but doesn't care for big jumps or grinding but speed & carving and fun
Saw the video but you're so advanced help a peasant out 😭
Camber 💪🏼
That Proteus snowboard seems very cool to try out different cambers
Hey I'm new I want to start snowboard. Which one shape u recommend for starters. Im intirested into camber. Should I choose camber ? And how tall snowboard I need if Im 64kg and 164xm high. I need your help.
You can totally start with camber! Or flat profile. As for snowboard size you need to find the board you want and then look up the size chart for that snowboard. It’s different for every snowboard and every snowboard has a size chart.
@@JohnathanBuckhouse thank you
@@JohnathanBuckhouse sorry for disturbing, but wich one you recomand? Can you send a link? And you said - There is difference betwen every snowboards. Are those differences very big? Like if for me is good 159 snowboard so if Im saying good another snowboard 159 can be longer? Btw I from Lithuania(europe) so I need snowboard that I can buy becouse I from europe. I apologize for the mistakes I made while writing.
what's the interactive graphic you use in 0:25 ?
Just took out my Bataleon ET today.. Don’t think it’s for me I go to fast lol definitely was helpful for the butters tho
70% rocker 30% camber is it good for carving?
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awesome content! I've got an old burton custom with hybrid camber. I rode a newer camber recently and it blew my mind. I thought I'd next try a rocker. Did that this weekend. It was really washy but great in the powder. Now I'm considering upgrading to the camber board. I never tried it in the powder though. So I'm hoping that I don't hate it. How have you found camber in the powder?
It does well
Groomers= camber
Offpiste= slight backseat camrock with spoon
Park= camber with tiny flat
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Why do you ride with the longer part of the board behind you? I thought that was supposed to be in front?
What? I don’t
@@JohnathanBuckhouse it might be the a weird visual thing but in several videos especially the 300 Amazon video it looks like the longer section of the board is behind you in the clips where you are talking to the camera and several jumps
Pienso que puede ser confusa la imagen por la deformacion de la lente ojo de pez que usa con su cámara 360 ó Gopro Max!
camber for pop and control
rocker for free style and yolo
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what boot size are you? I dont know if i Should buy wide or not . Boot size 10,5-11
10 is right at the wide starting point. It would hurt to go wide
Traditional full camber all day, every day.
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Crazy, i started riding in 87' i ride flat wide boards. The only combination i own is a flat rocker. In my opinion, its never the arrow. Its the indian.
Could you tell me where you got your gloves? :)
Linked in the description is the glove websites and all my other sponsors🤘🏼
Is there a similar idea with skis?
Yes!
What bindings are you using?
CLEW bindings! Linked in the description. Step in bindings.
Got a rocker camper combo aka jones mountain twin
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What profile do you use personnaly Because i just started again after 4 years abd switched from camber back to flat
He said he uses camber
I use full camber 🤘🏼
sorry i didnt hear and just wanted to know@@gavinturner5830
What do you set your bindings to
Anyone have experience with yes greats, Thoughts? Suggestions?
I have not sadly
What’s on your mind? Have 3 of the model and been loving that thing
What about rocker camber rocker?
what size snowboard do you have?
short ver: dont get rocker
Lol
it’s good for about half a day until your learn to use your edges
Or just whatever chamber goes with ur riding style and not tell people what to get🤡
@@blechagolf beginners is understandable, kinda. but thats my personal preference
I have one for park/riding with beginner friends. They’re a lot of fun for butters and more forgiving in the park.
Definitely not my primary board though.
Is this Burke MT in Vermont??
No keystone
Cool intro to board shapes bro 🤙🏻
👍🏻1.1+
Thanks for the overview.
No thank you 🙏🏼
@@JohnathanBuckhouse hardest thinking man in the business!!!
Not strictly accurate as you can have stiff as well as flexie reverse camber boards, and stiff or flexie full camber boards - each would suit a different rider as it's all down to personal preference, so just go demo some before buying one. The best thing a beginner can get is a soft, flexie board in either reverse or normal camber, as they'll need to learn now to flex it to turn which is easier on a soft board. Then, once muscle memory has it down, buy a more intermediate board. Basically go to a shop, be honest about your ability level and what you want to do, and they'll recommend the best board for you.
winter park feb 9-11, be there or be square 😎
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What bindings are those?
do not buy them
How are the clews stiffness wise? I love my Cartel's but I also miss step-ins from the 90's 😭 How do they compare for carving responsiveness?
extremely stiff, no shock absorption, responsiveness is ok, but they are cheaply made bidnings. Do not buy them
@@masxhk yeah - I’ve finally seen some honest reviews circulating from non-influencers the past week or so - would rather a cushy ride than a convenient strap-in
Can you try skiing again
Yes
But you need to try snowboarding 😂
I’ll try this year and maybe I’ll like it@@JohnathanBuckhouse
Never Summer: Rocker Camber = Best of both worlds.. End of debate.
Or just flat
So what you're telling me is that we should all buy your board so that way we can learn on flat, and then as we learn different things we can have our board adapt to that. Sounds like a good way to save some money instead of have 5 different snowboards🤔🤔🤔
Yes 🙌🏼
i didnt know they made transforming boards
1:39 name of this trick?
tripod or wheelbarrow
Who else saw snowboard Jesus? In the background at 3:11
Looks like it 😂😂
Rocker is for skiers trying to ski powder as well as a snowboard. On a snowboard, you're already there. Shouldn't need any more help than that.
Anyone loves moguls? 🐫 What is your favorite board for these?
I got a sticker
You rock! thank you 🙏🏼
can someone explain Flying - V ?
It’s basically the same as hybrid camber
wtf is that transformer board?? want one
Linked below! Proteus It rips
i entered the giveaway
Yes 🙌🏼
Get a lib tech or gnu C2(E,X) profile, end of debate.
Lol
Brooo that kid in blue jacket wanted to be in the video so bad💀
Just get camber, no need for anything else
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😍
I been on shitier boards whit camber thats carve worse then the rocker ones i owned. A nuddle camber bends more then a stiff rocker.and wheres the talking of the benefits whit it, eas, faster edge to edge and they ripp in pow.
Dude, u keep commenting on qualities of rocker in powder and yet you are not in powder for a second in this video. The truth is there's no better shape for powder than full rocker, period. S camber is a compromise.
Traditional camber is the only way to go. All the rest of that crap is a gimmick
I agree
This is all BS. Go back and watch snowboard films like Snowboarders in Critical Condition or Creatures of Habit Part 2 (and a dozens more from around 1990+) and all there were was cambered boards. It wasn't even spoken about. Watch that wave of riders like Shawn Farmer, Shaun Palmer, Chris Roach, Mike Ranquet, Noah Salasnek, Nick Perata, John Cardiel, Dave Seoane etc. etc. They could ride & rip everything & anything with just cambered boards. These days people make it sound like if you want to ride a certain style then you have to get this specific profile. And back then us non pros mostly had one board for everything; powder, ice, slush, crust, groomers etc. It was unheard of to have multiple boards for different purposes.
People waste too much time & energy in overthinking & over analyzing camber profiles. See if someone can do a blind test where they have different brands & models of different profiles then see, since they are experts, if they can pick out what profile it is just by riding.
Just find an appropriate length/width board, check the flex & if the graphics pass muster - just buy it. Nobody's ever going to say (after their first day on their new board); "Dammit, I screwed up. This cambered board sucks, I knew I should have gotten a reverse cambered board - I can't turn, stop, do 180's, 360's, 540's, slides, rails etc. now."
It's like basketball shoes; if you have the skill you can play ball & slam dunk - whether you have on $20 WalMart shoes or $300 Nike's. The shoe isn't going to determine how you play. Same with snowboarding; either you can do it or you can't - the camber profile doesn't mean anything.
Am I the only one who saw snowboard Jesus in the back
What 😂 whete
Ik what he means at 3 min 13 sec there's someone in a hockey jersey and it looks like him
how many cameras dose one snowboarder need? 🏂🏻
Man you scared me talking about the rocker earlier on, but then mentioned the hybrid profile being really good. Just bought a Riders Choice with the C2X, havent ridden for a few years, cant wait to rip it
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