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As a Canadian we love the VZ-58. They were super popular here since the AK is banned but the VZ wasn't... until Commander Sparkle Socks deemed them too scary in 2020. I had one but it fell off my boat in 2020.
I have one, because I was born in Czechoslovakia. Short note - to fire full auto bayonet should be attached for better control of gun. It was in army manual.
As a conscript to the Czechoslovakian army in 1966 when I was handed the VZ58 Sargant said ‘solder you will remember the serial number of your gun for the rest of your life’ and he was right, I am using it as a PIN number for my credit card.
@@antonh1159 After returning from rifle range shooting live amo. and trace bullet we were cleaning our guns. On inspection I was told that the barrel is not clean enough and was sent beck to do a better job of it. So, had a smoke, have not touch the bloody thing return after 15 minutes whereas upon inspection I was told ‘it is perfect now’ off you go soldier.
We are from Slovakia and this rifle is reasonably priced and spare parts and aftermarket is always available to us unlike the AK. We agree on the safety lever it's so confusing and if you got good at it, your AK will give you hard time to get comfortable with. Great video. Thanks
It's not surprising that the Czechs went with their own design. They have a long history of making some of the finest firearms in Europe. I would assume that presented with anything foreign, someone there would say, "We can do better."
of course :) even the first firearms were invented by czechs - during husites wars against german holy empire and the corrupt catholic church in 15th century (later it inspired lutherans and protestants - Germs didn't really got over it to this date because it spoiled their scam with indulgences and only recently they changed marketing from sins to carbon (history is fun)
I agree. The Czech's still make some of the finest firearms on the planet and now CZ owns Colt, so hopefully we see some awesomeness come out of that too.
I like that Brandon has the objectively worse wood furniture on the VZ because with the beaver barf stock set it's 1000% cooler than the ak in a 60s art Deco cold war style way
Hey Brandon. Just wanted to let you know that you indirectly helped me get my C1 English language exam. I was asked during the oral exam about people I follow on the internet and social media and I was asked to introduce you and describe your content. Needless to say, the examiner dropped her jaw when I started using firearms jargons and slangs. So I just wanted to thank you for your contribution in my exam and the things you do. Stay awesome :D
@@janolump8091 češi jsou namyšlení kokoti - i proto mám slovenku už víc jak 13 let :-) Btw vz 58 mám už přes dva roky a za akčko bych jí nevyměnil. AK47 je podle mě kopyto, který akorát kope.
It's always impressed me how much the Czechs did with a milled vs stamped receiver. Milling thin walls without chatter is not a trivial matter, and the fact they made it lighter than an AKM is impressive.
Czech engineering is criminally under appreciated Its tanks at the start of the second world war were some if the best in The world at the time and the germans actually kept them in production for the wermacht Its no surprise that they build a solid rifle too
Well, we trained all of last week on the VZ58, the bren in 7.62 (apply named by me as "the gucci AK" which really pissed off tge Czechs) and the scorpion-evo. All of them were pieces of crap except the evo.
I am Czech and a profesional soldier, too. So I spend many years with vz. 58. It is nice assault rifle. Very reliable even in difficult enviroment (rain, dirt, mud) and easy to maintain. Several years when I was member of reconaisance batalion I had vz. 61. It is a Czechoslovakian small submachine gun 7,65 mm browning. I liked it, too.
@@Simobunjevac C'mon, inspired in what? Similar shape of magazine, maybe. Inside is nothing similar to AK or STG, it's completely original construction.
I've always looked at the Vz. 58 as having more in common with an SKS than an AK - short stroke, the hinged mechanism is similar to the SKS's tilting bolt, open top-cover, accepts stripper clips. It falls more in the category of the Chinese Type 56 and Type 63 - "not quite AKs, but close enough".
@@bobsmoot2392 No (not quite at least), the MP44 is also long-stroke like the AK47, with the difference being that the MP44 has a tilting bolt (like the SKS), while the AK has a rotating bolt.
@@TheBananaDealer Striker fired. I agree. The VZ is more like the SKS in some ways.
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To be fair I think the accuracy centered design was because of the Vz.52 which was in 7.62x45mm (don’t know the ballistics on that) and that design was carried over into a more assault rifle, well, rifle when the soviets didn’t like the Vz.52 I really like how mine feels yet i haven’t shot it yet… need some help getting that barrel in lol
Nobody liked the Vz.52 it was a collection of 50 years worth of bad gun ideas from Germany. I would like a Vs.52/57 (I do want easy to get ammunition) to go right next to the spot reserved for the Type 11 hopper fed light machine gun. Both are terrible but cool as fuck.
I was gonna bring up the vz.52. They only used it a couple of years and they were determined not to use the 7.62 x 39. I remember when you could buy the vz 52s in the 90s for less than $100 in unissued condition. Ammunition was pretty much unobtainable though!
Dude, I’ve never heard of the VZ52. Thanks for the added knowledge! Another awesome piece of human engineering. So many cool guns and so limited funding…good damn gas prices…
@@henryturnerjr3857 Actually a Vz.52/57 exists. It's a version in 7.62x39. And it's not like some old 52s were rechambered. The 52/57s were purpose-built.
I'm in the army as a reservist and we still use the SA 58. I've fired thousands of rounds out of it. It is a very popular weapon among the team. It still works, minimal glitches. It is light (this is a big advantage, you can run with it and hold it in high positions) and simple. Working with a fuse is not a problem if you get used to it. In the military, no one gets a lot of cuddles, and this gun holds up. You can throw it on the ground for several generations and it will still shoot accurately and flawlessly.
@@labros318 I suppose not worth buying even that small item since the Bren 2 is being adopted somewhat quickly now. I had to replace the barrel on my vz58, but here in the US it is difficult to get original barrels. The couple barrels that are made here use the thread pattern from the AK because there are more muzzle device options that way.
@@danh6720 Compensators for 58 are easily available here. And yesterday I received a message that our unit will also receive a bren 2, so that's the end of vz 58 in our army.
It has a short stroke gas piston It can load from stripper clip It still has removable magazines It takes 7.62x39mm The only problem is it doesn't take AK magazines. Otherwise perfect rifle.
It also has a functional bolt hold open on the last round. Not sure how feeding from stripper clips is a bonus, though: this ain't the early 1900s anymore.
One note: The vz.58 isn't striker fired, it's hammer fired. The firing pin is a separate component from the *linear hammer* (instead of a swinging hammer like most firearms).
Thank you for the clarification, your comment made me pull mine out of the safe and investigate but your absolutely right! I never realized that before
Purely from an aesthetic standpoint, I put my vote on the VZ-58. The completely open top when the bolt is back reminds me a lot of the SKS, which is one of my favorite guns ever.
Incompatibility with AK47 is a feature not a bug. Czechs were trying to protect their gun industry from becoming merely a production facility for Soviets. With having their own rifle, which was indeed in many aspects superior to AK47, they could justify retaining their own R&D as well.
Well, from what I know, my grandfather told me that the reason we made Vz. 58 different from the AK was to keep some independence from Soviets back in the day. It was somewhat popular as it even saw service in the Vietnam war, Cuban conflicts and in Afghanistan too. I really do enjoy AK rifles but Vz. 58 is something that I need in my collection as it is piece of our history. Fun fact but I think that some of the guys here will know. Vz. 58 is still in Czech military service even after Czech army adopted the CZ 805 Bren.
The majority of them are used by the reserve, though. Also the army is being (very slowly) rearmed with the Bren 2 rifles and the 805 Brens are in turn being sent to the reserve to replace the Vz.58.
Is was to thumb noses at the Russian occupiers. It's the same reason they designed the CZ52 pistol in 7.62x25 with it's MG42 double roller locking mechanism over the Russian design pistol, and the same reason why they used the superior CZ82 they designed instead of the Makarov design. Both of theses are in my collection, never fired the CZ52 as it's in the original parkerized finish and considered unissued condition. My CZ82 I have fired many times and is great. It's best if you hunt one down with the original polygonal rifled barrel. They never wear out and every ballastic test I've seen showed it leaves no projectile markings to match it up to the gun. Only one I don't have is the VZ58 which is hard to locate.
You are correct, my wife is Slovak and her Grandfather and two uncle's were oficers in the Checkoslovakian Army and they said it was a way for them to keep thier own identity and essentially thumb the nose at the Russians
As a card-carrying left-handed person, the VZ-58 is a rare example of a vintage firearm perfectly designed for us southpaws. This endears it to me in a way the AK or really any other vintage firearm can’t match.
@@ukaszbiaas183 Yes, but I have very long fingers. It’s the least lefty-friendly aspect for sure, but I suppose you might also be able to do a reach around grip on the magazine like you were going to save and dump-pouch it.
@@ukaszbiaas183 Left hand can use trigger finger. There are aftermarket releases for right hand that use trigger finger. Due to less tilt to lock required for mag engagement vs AK, mags drop free when release is activated and barrel is pointing slightly down.
Just so that you know, the "vz." ("vzor") simply means "Mk." ("Mark") in Czech, and is followed by the year of introduction into the army, meaning the weapon is called something like "Automatic Mk. 58" ("Samopal vz. 58" in Czech). ;-)
It has become the weapon of choice for many PMC's and was (and still is) heavily used in Afghanistan and other such places. A few simple after market mods fix all of the complaints for AK lovers and they quickly convert. Change the selector switch and mag release to ambidextrous, add a flash suppressor, and change the pistol grip (the original is a little small) and fore stock. The gun is noticeably lighter, much easier to field strip and clean, being able to use stripper clips is great, being shorter makes it great in vehicles and close combat (even better if you have the following stock), the faster rate of fire allows you punch holes in harden targets, brick and stone walls, and light armored vehicles. In single shot it is far more accurate than the AK and can hit farther targets than the AK. In full auto its a climber so if you aim a little lower a mag dump will travel in a 3 inch wide strip for about a foot straight up, whereas with the AK you'll have a one foot circle. As for the bayonet, come on, the bayonet is a last resort item, if you have to use your bayonet it means that you are in a hand to hand situation and that comes down to who is the better trained soldier and luck, but don't worry the Vz-58 Bayonet will not let you down. If you want to see another (still in use) Czech rifle look at the Vz 52/57 it will make the SKS lovers have wet dreams
That and a much lower pressure gas block that slowed the fire rate down to like 450 rpm. I'd be willing to bet it even has a higher strength recoil spring too, the Wolff XP spring in my AK drastically reduced the jumpiness just in semi auto. Absolutely rigged.
vz 58 was mainly built to opress comunist AK47 ......and original caliber intended for Vz58 was 7.62x45 but hooks to hell they had lot of 7.62x39 laying around so it won ove x45 variant
Brandon: "The gun is much harder to control." Also Brandon: **Compares a tuned AKM with 4-port muzzle brake to a bone-stock VZ-58 with a bare muzzle** But seriously though, if there's a way to tune these, and you actually found a muzzle brake that fit it, I feel like the recoil control would be pretty similar. The VZ would still be a bit harder because of the faster ROF, but yeah. Apples to oranges.
Its a 14x1 righthanded thread if i remember right. With a detent lock on it. So find a 762 brake with that thread and your good to go. Most people i see with vz58's just run the sf brake that the czechs came up with before the sa58 got adopted.
The reason why VZ 58 was developed was as much about army requirement as about national identity, since Czechoslovakia had big gun manufacturing tradition Originaly, Czech even wanted different caliber
Just 2 points, after living with Vz.58 for a year: 1) the weight difference in favor of Vz.58 is more than 0,5 kg (2,9 kg of Vz.58 vs. 3,5 kg of AK) - you WILL appreciate the weight difference quickly, if you carry the gun whole day 😉 2) using the selector is both intuitive & super-easy with first phalanx of the right index finger - and all that without releasing grip or de-focusing from target. Still consider it a nice feature, definitely not bug.
I’ve got one, and as a “wrong handed” shooter, the safety works well for me. Doesn’t seem any more practically accurate than a good ak but it’s a cool rifle.
As a Czech, I personaly love this firearm. It´s such a nice piece of history. Also very good video Brandon, hope to see some more Czech guns in a future.
As an owner of one i can tell you that there is a way to operate the switch with the palm and trigger finger without letting go of the pistol grip. It is also nice to se any vz.58 go full auto, mine has been butchered to semi only by the law of Czech Republic and European Union.
the safety selector switch on a semi-auto vz-58 really isn't that bad. Going off of what you said, learning to flick the selector forward into the firing position with your trigger finger is really not very hard and is as quick as any AK or AR in practice. I think Brandon overstates how un-ergonomic it is to use. I have a VZ-58 set up as a defensive rifle and I don't have much to complain about in regards to the safety selector.
I'm Czech. Army service 2000-2001 (more than a decade after SSSR falled apart), one of the last turnuses, only proffesional army since 2004. Had a chance to test both AK and VZ. Won several "weekend out of base" in shooting competitions there. And had to do dissasemble and back of the gun too many times to count 😀 . Honestly - VZ is better than AK. Why? 1. easier to clean. 2. more accurate in burst mode. 3. lighter, 4. more deadly in auto if you can control medium bursts. I was able to hit 3/3 on 200m figurine in burst with VZ, not with AK. And single-shot, for unknown reason, I was hitting 7/10 on 400m "machine-gun-post-target" with VZ, while AK only 3/10 average. In a practical low2medium range combat where AR comes in, the VZ will do better for running around with, medium-range snappin with burst, and if you can control longer bursts in auto, it's much more devastating. Btw. did you know that 7,62x39 is capable of shooting through side of BMP-1 between the wheels? That's where the faster fire rate comes in. Laying hidden aside the road and being able to just spray those 30 bullets at (and through) an otherwise formidable target in such short moment and get away ....
I think the biggest problem is, autor use plain, unmodified SA 58 vs. short modified AK 47...so this say nothing at all. Plain vs plain or modified vs. modified. Long story short, autor is AK fan, so here we are.
For me as a Czech Republic citizen was the Vz 58 my first rifle and it was almost impossible to buy anything else within 500$ budget. The Vz 58 has something more to it in Czech Republic. Like tradition. It is more than just AK vs Vz58, it is part of the culture and most of gun licence holders who can buy rifles buy the Vz 58. It’s like AR-15 to Americans. I personaly like it, but don’t love it. I like my AR or the Steyr AUG better, but this is very individual. The 7.62x39 is not the best cartridge, that could be the reason. At 300m is easier to hit with .223 than the 7.62x39 so i prefer the .223 over 7.62. Also the price comes to mind, when brass 7.62 cost about 0.75$ and brass .223 cost about 0.50$ per round. With steel cased ammo we currently go little less than 0.50$ for 7.62 so it makes no more sence to fire steel cased chinese ammo from 1952 (not kidding - most of it is really that old). But when the 7.62 costed about 0.15$… good old times… 👍🏻 it is time to move forward and use NATO ammo for less than the old soviet surplus one for higher price. Still have couple thousands of 7.62 rounds, so we can shoot as much we want. Great video, thank you! Greetings from Czech Republic! Btw. if we are able to conceal it, we can carry anything from pistols, rifles, PCCs to shotguns and sniper rifles. I don’t think it’s possible during the summer, but in the winter, you can meet people carrying some crazy stuff.
I have to ask, so, you are able to buy same rifles we Americans do, are able to carry concealed anything you want yet you do not have the same mass shootings we have in the States? Are you also able to buy suppressors? (Anyone else reading, I am not trying to make this political etc. I am merely asking a question on how their system works, what they are able to own and if they have the same problems we do with firearms. I'm not ok with licenses.)
@@oif3vetk9 Not 100% percent sure about suppressors but i would think yes we can buy them because i saw add for some 3d titanium silencers in shooting magazine.
the last part reminds me of a meme. A czech or slovakian news published an report and in the middle of it there was a quote that might be from someone inside the government saying "shoot the terrorist yourselves" with a fallout new vegas dude with a bright red eye saying "we can't expect god to do all the work"
@@oif3vetk9 owning gun here is not common, most people never fired one and don't own one. You also need license that is not just formality to get. You need to be medically checked, pass the test, have clean criminal record, pay.. There are different types of licences (for hunting, sport, collecting, service weapons, ..). If you get licence after 10 years you have medical check too see if you are fit to keep the licence. You can't open carry. So it is not something you just get cause you have free day and nothing better to do :) Also different mentality, culture. Good thing is we don't have any restriction to carry knives (of swords, battle axes, ... :) ).
@@oif3vetk9 We had like 3 mass shootings in 30 years? Not that much like USA. But obtaining gun is harder there. Something to read: A gun in the Czech Republic is available to anybody subject to acquiring a firearms license. Gun licenses may be obtained in a way similar to a driving license - by passing a gun proficiency exam, medical examination and having a clean criminal record. Unlike in most other European countries, the Czech gun legislation also permits a citizen to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense - 252,245 out of 308,990 gun license holders have a concealed carry permit (31 December 2021). ... An applicant applies for a gun license at a designated local office of the National police. If the conditions of age, qualification, health clearance, criminal integrity and personal reliability are met and a fee of 700 CZK (US$ 30.52) per type is paid, the license shall be issued in thirty days. ... Obtaining the license requires passing a theoretical and practical exam. ... The law specifies safe storage requirements for those owning more than two weapons or more than 500 rounds of ammunition. Additional safe storage requirements are stipulated for those owning more than 10 and more than 20 firearms. Full wiki article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_Czech_Republic
Biggest gripe about the VZ is the lack of good ways to mount an optic and other accessories. That being said, the paratrooper stock and beaver-barf handguard is a whole vibe. My brother has one and it shoots surprisingly soft for how light it is.
@@Ephem13 Slovakian army uses upgraded versions with rails and modern optics, but still old good reliable rifles. Recruits and new soldiers uses these in basic versions
As a Czech, who has fired and walked around with this rifle a lot... I can tell you... that its perfect. Fire selector is something to get used to but its actually really easy to go to semi from safe when you learn just a little bit. All in all... thank you, for sharing a little bit of my countries firearm history. Love ya, no homo.
@@honzabalak3462 I figured as much. I remember seeing pics of Czech troopers in Afghanistan and Iraq packing VZ-58s. It's kind of funny, not only did Czechoslovakia not adopt the AK, but AFAIK, they were the only country in the Warsaw Pact that didn't adopt 5.45x45!
The fact that Brandon did this in 100 degree weather is next level dedication. Proud to be a sexy youtube motherlover, and proud to be a member of the #akgnotificationsquad
Obviously - I’m a czech and I love this rifle, since I own one, but: - the selector is actually quite easy to operate while being righthanded -the muzzle thread is just ok - every single gunsmith around here makes a suppressor or a muzzle break for the VZ.58 -the gun itself is lighter and thinner than any AK platform -I love it -optic mounting is really eazy given the shape of reciever -oh, we have captive pins, yay!
The VZ58 was popular here in Northern Ireland, used by "Loyalist" / "Unionist" / "Protestant Paramilitaries. They imported 300 of them in 1988. This Assault Rifle is iconic in "Ulster". There are many videos or photos on Google showing Loyalist gunmen, firing them.
I have had several of them. They were always incredibly reliable. I had the economy version of the stock - no luxury wood just chipboard and glue (I jest). I built one into a fake 'Gattling type' gun on a tv series to be blown up on a train,. After the explosion everything was ruined except the metal. A quick hose down with hot water and the gun fired perfectly. The falling locking block system is great - Carl Walther was a clever man and the Czechs were bright enough to use his idea. They have been making excellent weapons for years. The famous BREN gun even has its name taken from the two factories Brno and Enfield (UK). Love from the 51st State. xxx
When judging the gun, don't forget: Guns were also a political topic. Czecho-Slovakia had before WWII a very well developed weapons industry, and produced also for Germany in WWII guns. They wanted to "isolate" themselves a bit in the warsaw pact - and don't forget: 1958 was the Emerge of the VZ-58, just 10 Years later, in 1968, the russians "liberated" Czechoslovakia from its own political path in Prague.
For czehoslovakian tanks that crushed soviet soldiers, czehoslovakian mausers that shooted soviet citizens, czechoslovakian shells ripped in to pices soviet kids, for all of that soviets had to gave flowers to czehoslovaks or witch type of gratefulness ?
@@waaaaaaaaghhhhh5809 I can assure you, the Czechs were not producing much of that equipment of their own free will. Reinhard Heydrich was making damn sure of that.
Bolt and piston is like an SKS. I really love to shoot my VZ-58. It's one of my favorites. Mine has beaver barf furniture and the side folding stock. It's one of my top 3 for what I have.
Well you did not make a lot of new Czech fans with this video I can tell you that. But seriously, it is an awesome gun. This gun really was something like middlefinger to USSR in that time, more that anything else. And actually was used in many conflicts and millitaries over the world, just patented, so nobody could copy it and make for themselves (not being better than AK was not the reason)
Canadian here with correction. At 13:41 he said you can't do a speed reload. You can do a speed reload, if you use a beer-can-grip to hold your magazine and keep your thumb out, away from the magazine in your hand. Your thumb activates the magazine release and knocks out the empty mag in a single motion. This doesn't allow for magazine retention, but gets the mag-well free for the reload being held in the beer-can-grip. You're welcome.
or you can get ambidextrous mag release and push the release with teh trigger finger while slapping the mag with the new one and then you can add bolt release again operated by trigger finger. makes reloads almost as fast as on AR
It’s interesting that the Czechs did their own thing when it came to 7.62x25 with Tokarev vs. CZ52, 9mm Makarov with the Makarov vs. CZ82, and the AKM vs. VZ58. Shows how much former Czechoslovakia were proud of their established arms manufacturers and made weapons housed in Warsaw Pact calibers.
Well, the CZ-52 is superior to the Tokarev, so they got that one right. That said, I still say they just made the VZ-58 because they wanted a better SKS, not a better AK-47. It actually has more in common with the SKS than the AK.
@@jamesolbrisch2582 I've never handled either one, so I wouldn't know, but given all the other Czech alternatives to Soviet guns, I don't doubt it in the least.
I'm so proud I was born in the very same country where this beautiful gun had been developed and produced. Former Czechoslovakia. We have been two independent countries for over 30 years now - the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic. ❤
I have shot and own a vz58. One of my favorite rifles. The history of Czechs making their own designs like the vz52 instead of the sks is really cool to me.
You have to keep in mind when asking why this gun was designed that it was a symbol of national pride and resistance in the face of Soviet dominance. Czechoslovakia was far more resistant to Soviet political, military, and economic control than any other nation in the Warsaw Pact, so it would make sense that their army would be of a similar mindset. Combine this defiance with the storied tradition of Czech arms design in the interwar period (VZ 26, ZH 29, and the plethora of Mauser derivatives) you understand how this nationalistic thought characterized Czechoslovakia in the early Cold War. This gun is more than just a gun, it’s a political statement meant to tell the Russians that, despite their political control, they cannot fully subjugate the Czech nation and people.
I had the chance to fire one of these when I was a British soldier on peacekeeping in Bosnia. We were with the Czech army on deployments we had a range day with them where I fired this weapon and the Czechs had a go on our SA80's. I found it was not bad to fire but when firing automatic, it tries to climb and the Czechs were surprised at how heavy our SA80 was, but found it pleasant to fire on automatic.
Czechoslovak leadership: "How can we say 'fuck you' to the Soviets without actually saying it?" Czechoslovak arms designers: "We could build a rifle that *looks* like an AK, shoots the *same* bullet, but is completely different in every other way possible." Czechoslovak leadership: "Do it."
@@АлександрМаврин-я5х Eh, part of the problem with the AVS was the caliber: 54r is a big powerful round and if you're gonna chamber it in a fairly light (compared to a machine gun) fully automatic rifle, you had better have your shit together and even then controlling it is gonna be a bitch in full auto. I'd argue that's a reason why the Eastern Bloc didn't have a "Battle Rifle" phase: the Soviets had already played around with them and realized they were no good for a regular service weapon. Full size cartridges are best in a semiauto only infantry rifle (the Brits took that tact with the SLR) and a open bolt full auto GPMG. That same rifle design turned out great once it went through a little more development and was converted to 7.62x39: the SKS.
Not gonna lie, the VZ.58 is one of my favorites. A couple things i like that you didnt mention: I like the magazines and they seem to be easier for newer shooters to put in correctly than the AKMs. The lightweight but still milled receiver is a big plus to me, less mass hurts rapid fire control but makes it more pleasant to carry. The muzzle threading is weird but there are a couple good brakes that are i believe of slovakian style that definitely help with the muzzle jump. That being said there is almost no support for 14x1.0RH and so you are either stuck with VZ.58 specific devices or an ugly adapter. I had to get a keymo muzzle device custom made for suppressing mine. Comparing it to a KNS tuned AK, the AK is both heavier and if tuned right loses almost all jolt from bolt carrier group hitting end of travel. I'm sure you could make the VZ58 shoot a lot softer if you started with a virgin barrel and slowly increased gas port size, but they are in the same camp of "designed a little overgassed" as the normal AKMs, M4s, etc. Oh that's right, in my experience they suppress quite well, dont seem to be overly effected by the increased backpressure but will not cycle subsonic 7.62x39. Also reloading from stripper clips is a lot of fun, so thats a plus. That bayonet lug also doubles as a bipod attachment point for the simple yet effective bipod they issued with the "night vision equipped" models that also had a side rail for one of those giant NV scopes. I own two VZ.58s and six AK variants AKM/RPK/74 and shoot them all :)
If you wanted to be fair in comparing the recoil between the two, you should have removed the highly efficient muzzle brake from the AK ;) The Czechoslovaks never really appreciated executing orders from Moscow, so when the Soviets only imposed the caliber 7.62x39 for their assault rifle, they chose to develop a rifle where everything was different from the AKM, except for the caliber, obey the orders, but not an inch more. That's why even the thread pitch is the other way around.
Yep the Czechs hated Russian occupation so the pushed back where possible which is why they used the VZ58 in place of the AK-47. Same with hand guns the Czechs used their CZ52 pistol over the Russian design and why they used the superior CZ82 Pistol over the Russian Makarov pistol.
@@Milner62 Hate them or not it seems stupid to sabotage any sort of compatibley between you and the only military support you'd receive in the event of war. Since lets be honest the West does give a damn about anything further east than Germany. But hey I hear dead civilians and burning buildings are fashionable.
@@clothar23 , not sabotaging them seeing as the weapons were used by the Czechs and they were building them as well. Not to mention the Czechs went up against the Russians numerous times to remove the invaders.
@@Milner62 I am sorry how is building a rifle that can not be serviced by Soviet logistical support in any way not sabotaging your chances in a war against NATO forces. The thing can't even take AK mags. Any spare parts and maintenance would have to be done in country. Which considering Czechoslovakia was closer to the NATO forces stationed in West Germany than Russia was seems sketchy ya dig. I mean it's a totally good idea to have your military industrial complex on the frontlines of a land war against a superior enemy. That logic worked out well for Germany in the 1940s after all.
@@clothar23, cause soviet logistical support was not a thing in this case. If the soviets were providing support in that sense then they would be making the guns and giving the guns to these countries not having them make them themselves. There were also more than one country that was under russian control that wanted their occupiers out and they still were tasked with building the equipment no different than any other territory. You are reading too far into it thinking that russia was going to supply parts, why would russia supply parts when they are having each country make the firearms in the first place.
In my country, this rifle is very popular,when you have one,you are considered as a real Czech man. I have the one with foldable stock, wich we call "kosa" in Czech, that means "scythe" in English..For Czechs, this rifle is really special symbol of our pride. Love my vz 58, one day i will give it to my son.
You Czech brothers are luckier (wiser) with the laws than we are (Your Polish northern neighbors), it is easier for You, and GOOD FOR YOU! :) Please DO NOT LET the EU clowns f@#k it up :)
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@@GazalAlShaqab Yes it is true, in Czech we have very strong comunity in government and also very strong public comunity of legal firearms. Im glad, this topic of fireamrs in Czech Republic is still well defended against EU and its stupid political ideas..
@@r4cksup Constructer of the rifle was Czech, Jiří Čermák, rifle was manufactured in Uherský Brod in Czech republic... This has nothing to do with Slovakia 🤣🤣
From the testing I've seen the vz-58 is actually significantly more accurate than any ak variation. Like 1moa vs 4moa. 9 hole reviews did a good test on this
The issue is all US guns have other than "mil-spec" if you will barrel. To my knowledge all US VZ 58 variants were build with a new barrel. Military surplus that is quite popular and available to Czech shooters has usually similar results to AK.
I have never fired an AK, but I have fired this, and it felt incredible the first time I did. I was like 14 or 15 when I first tried it - I honestly thought it would be more difficult to control.
I have fired both the old and modernised VZs and i love it (maybe beacuse im czech). The gun imo is superior to the AK beacuse the magazine interchangability isnt really a downside. While i agree that the selector is stoopid, it doesnt really make that much of a change. I can tell you that the VZ is more accurate than the AK when shooting 1 boolet at time. (i've tried it myself).
I get why he wants to rock back and forthcoming any ak mag in 7.62x39, but it’s like an M9, you cannot put a glock mag in it, the M9 may or may not be better and is beautiful, so why give it up for a glock? Most wouldn’t. Lol though I never shot a vz or an ak, we In Canada can get the Chinese type 81 though.
I always thought of the VZ-58 being kind of like a hybrid between the AK-47 and the SKS due the ability to load it through the top as well as having a large detachable magazine.
Also the exposed bolt carrier and short-stroke piston. I totally agree. Mechanically, the VZ-58 has more in common with the SKS/VZ-52 than with the AK. It just _looks_ more like an AK.
I may be wrong about this but I think that the point of the stripper clip feature was not reloading like that in combat, these were issued with multiple mags and reloading by swapping mags was how people were trained. The idea was that during down time when you are refilling your mags, your combat ammo re-supply came in stripper clips, so you inserted an empty mag, locked your bolt to the rear and used your gun as a mag loader.
13:16 I'm so glad you mentioned the fact that it can be topped off with stripper clips. Had no idea this was even a feature until I was doing some research before I got my own. I find that SKS stripper clips work just fine. Great video!
The VZ58 was also used in Full Metal Jack as the weapon of choice by various VC fighters including the sniper at the end of the film. I don’t think it was meant to be in place of the AK since it was one of the weapons given to North Vietnam during the war. Either way, it works
There is a lot of modern accessories for the Vz.58. It's a sweet rifle and a fun way to show off gun knowledge to others. I'd love to own one but they are far more rare than 5 years ago. Personally, I like that wire folding stock and that bakelite stock over the wood or modern plastics. The Czech Army used the rifle for years after the USSR collapsed and I've heard their replacement for it doesn't compare to the reliability of the Vz.58
Slovak army uses this rifle still, in this basic verzion used by recruits and new soldiers, in upgraded versions with optics by regular soldiers. It's very reliable and cotrolable gun if you know it well.
There is something about AKs and VZs that just look make them look cool with a wire folding stock, but I can’t see it like that for any 5.56 rifle. But I never shot either rifle type.
I owned a VZ58 and am looking for another one. I should never have traded it. I liked the lighter weight, handier size and gentler recoil. I'm not a good enough shot to squeeze any extra accuracy, but it certainly wasn't worse. A higher cyclic rate isn't much detriment to those of us without full auto
Just shot a vz 58 today and honestly it was amazing to shoot. Smooth trigger pull, barely any kick (especially compared to a ak) and overall it kicked ass
I think it’s very important to remember that the Czechs really hated being a part of the Soviet Union against their will. Many of them saw it as no different to being occupied by the Nazis. So there was always this sort of subliminal resistance to the soviets going on, and it’s very evident in their arms manufacturing. So the Vz. 58 wasn’t made because they thought the AK was bad and they thought theirs was better, it was really a “go fuck yourself” to the soviets. The same thing applies to the original vz. 52 rifle and pistol. And the CZ 82 later.
@@thesaul9484 well, without getting into a too deep breakdown of the history of Czechoslovakia, which was more of an allied front to gain independence from the Austro-Hungarian empire, the country known as Czechoslovakia was always a very non-integrated culture. All the firearms I talked about were developed in the Czech side and at that time, plants on the Slovak side were manufacturing Soviet arms, so it’s not wrong to talk about these firearms as being a Czech product, not a Czechoslovak.
This is specifically why I prefer the vz58, just because I love that FU mentality, and it's built really well... The side folder is rock-solid even after all these years.
I mean with all due respect in regards to recoil the vz doesnt have a muzzle device to compensate for it, meanwhile comparing it to an original first production ak47 which ALSO doesnt have a muzzle device, the vz sure seems to have a lot less recoil even with its faster rate of fire
During the Cold War, Czechoslovakia was to Warsaw Pact what France was to NATO. They had their own small arms, which were well made and they weren’t changing how they did business, even for a super power. Also, current small arms individual weapons manipulation was not something they considered We train to fight from a standing position much more than 1950s-60s soldiers from any army. They fought overwhelmingly from the prone and made short rushes. Many times covering ground behind AFVs. The VZ58 is pretty ergonomic, even for right handed shooters, when you’re handling it in the prone (look at the “flat” lead edge of the mag, for example: monopod anyone). Also, it’s no coincidence there’s absolutely no interchangeability with the AK: even the compensator. They didn’t want it. Soviets dictated caliber, but allowed them to design their own rifles They were so independent minded and not compliant with the Soviets, in fact, that the Soviets had to invade Czechoslovakia in 1968 and crack down because there was way too much independent thought going on. Great rifle. I like both the AK and the VZ. But they are nothing alike VZ is actually closer to WWII german stuff, not the MP44, the other semi auto, which I forget the name of at the moment. Enjoyed the video!
I've got a VZ-58 since I collect Czech guns and live in Maryland, where the only 7.62 AKs I can get are "pistols". It's definitely a unique rifle that is comparable to the AK but "superior" is very subjective. The action has been described to me as more like a "linear hammer" than a true "striker" but I'm not enough of an expert to make the distinction. There is some clear inspiration from Walther handguns in the action as well, which is really interesting to me. The platform is rather popular in more restrictive states as it can avoid "AK bans" while still having a similar vibe. Great video, I hope to finally get some trigger time with mine but all my pre-coof 7.62 is bimetal and most of the ranges near me won't let me use it.
I love czech guns. I'm a czech living in the US, and wish I could own every CZ product (I've got a scorpion and cz75) they made some of the coolest shit I've ever seen. Makes me proud to be czech
The separating point from linear hammers and strikers is the function of the firing pin. The linear hammer still is striking a separate firing pin. A true striker fired gun, the striker is also the firing pin. The Reising SMG is a linear hammer IIRC. But, that's been a long time since I watched that FW video.
A well tuned AK with compensator vs a stock VZ-58, go figure. I own a semi, and shot the select fire version quite a bit in Iraq, (Iraqi National Police used them). Remember, they were originally were chambered in the 7.62x45. That's part of the reason for the different mag. I own 12 different AK variants, the VZ beats all the 7.62 ones in accuracy hands down.
Yeah, they should. Long-stroke pistons are not conducive to accuracy. That's why companies that accurize Saigas often cut the barrels as short as possible, so the bullet is out before the piston hits the back of the receiver and screws everything up.
The Vz 58 safety is pretty easy to manipulate, the trick is to use the base of your index finger where it meets the palm, much quicker and you don't have to break your grip.
I bought mine because the price was un beatable. It's not the VZ58 but the VZ2008. Only semi auto is the difference. I paid less than $500 for it and it still remains one of my top 3 guns I own. I did put some upgrades in the stock and grip that makes it even better.
As a Czech patriot, I have to agree with you on almost everything except the selector, which makes it blatantly obvious when your safety is on. And also the mag release, which I really love. Other than that, spot on!
as we were taught during training - weapon safety facing forward - towards the enemy (shooting burst), safety facing backwards - towards yourself - 1 round - for yourself ...
I'd like to add that another Pro to the VZ. 58 is that, even though the safety selector is really awkward, at least it doesn't leave a giant hole in the side of the gun when in the firing position.
AKs were made to have open design. if you lived in russia or canada you would see why that is better when the gun is jammed you can smack it open and get it working in 30 seconds again. i would not want to use the VZ or anything AR platform in a fighting condition
@@dalejrjunior1298 If you're not a stupid klutz and know how to handle your rifle in the field, you shouldn't be worrying about gunk getting into the action of _any_ of those guns. People are way too worried about how a rifle handles mud and rocks getting inside, when what really matters is how the damn thing handles dust, lack of lubricant, and inconsistent ammo quality.
@@kyotra so u just described an ak. also i was talking about ice specifically and where i live snow/rain and freezing tempuratures could make a rifle ice pretty quick. i have had it happen on my bolt action rifle. was just saying the open platform of an ak is ideal for cold wet and icy regions
@@dalejrjunior1298 Oh, I didn't realize you were specifically dealing with ice and cold weather - yeah, the AK wins hands-down in that case. Still stand by what I said about dust, lube, and ammo quality. The AK isn't magic, it's just over-gassed (which incidentally wears out the gun super fast).
Braydon! The bayonet design is much smarter than you imagined. A problem of bayonet usage throughout history is their ability to become stuck on opposing combatants. A more easily detachable bayonet is effective in this scenario so the body of the gun is more easily removed from the bayonet in times of emergency.
That doesn't make any sense, if the bayonet is stuck in a motherfucker how are you supposed to pull it back to unlock it from the gun when stomping your boot into his chest and yanking the whole gun back with way more leverage didn't work? You certainly can't hold the release button in and push whole gun forward through the dead guy to get it off. It's like that mostly to be different but also because you can get the bayonet on more easily when the rifle is shouldered and so you don't have to put your hand in front of a loaded gun while you do it.
Hey nice video! I only disagree with the shooting distance, as a former shooting range commander we had effectively hit targets on 400m without any problem and the bullets were even destroing high voltage isolators in the range of 1,5 km.
I was a member of the army in 1995 and 1996. SA vz.58 has a range of 2.8 km and has deadly effects on humans throughout the entire flight. Of course, the accuracy at such a long range is small.
I'm still laughing about Brandon's gripe on the selector switch. I have one of these in semi-auto variant, and it's as simple as drawing the trigger finger along the receiver, safe to semi-auto, which in the context of about-to-engage would be super intuitive. Back to safe, which would be when any engagement is over, just requires the right thumb to wrap around the grip and flick forward. Since all I have are semis, I have no real opinion on switch to full auto. I love this gun, just as much as an AK.
Plus maybe, if you don’t have time to switch to full auto a little more slowly, then you may already be endanger of being shot long after whne you probably could have switched to full auto. But idk.
@@doitf3525Yeah it's a trash. Seriously stop buing our stash! You've got enough of guns. Buy the fkn AK. The slow rate of fire is so awesome. You cant have full auto anyway. The AK tolerances make it reliable in dirt they say. In case you already own one, if your fingers are weak you need to eat something or warm them up. The click lets you know. It's too loud to my taste if you do it fast. It's a perfect safety switch for a deadly weapon. It's safe, rigid and intuitive. Forward = die. Dont be a potato like him going with the index finger all the way back. Once you get used to it it's a benchmark for all safety switches. You can do it with a thumb without taking the index finger off the trigger. Or with index finger knuckle. It's more comfortable with gloves. And being on the right side it doesnt rub your back all day. You'd need to carry it all day as a soldier to appreciate this detail.
6:00 that fire selector position is on purpose. Turn in to you is Single (we call it army that one is for you ) turn in forward is full auto ( we call it, whole mag to enemy) and turn down to "safe" so its blocking your "trigger" finger so in the night you can still feel that your rifle is "safe" Reason why there is no sellector on left side, is that you cant accidentaly switch rifle when holding side to your body, also everbody around you can see in what state is your rifle, if its safe or not. Btw, that rifle is able to shoot under water. There are wery old rumors, that in 60th Russiands made testing Vz.58 commpare to AK and Vz.58 won.
I heard the same from Czech friends about the fire selector: all for the enemy, nothing for the ground, and the last one for the soldier (never surrender).
I have one. Being left handed, it's perfect for me. The biggest downside I see is that the front hand guard gets extremely hot fairly quickly. Other than that I absolutely love it
Unfortunately I was taught to shoot rifle left handed at a young age. And although I shoot handguns with left or right, I only feel comfortable shooting rifes left handed. Which is one of the reasons I chose the VZ-58. The selector is on the right and it ejects straight out the top. And the main bonus is that since none of the parts are interchangable with the AK variants, it can be purchased in states that ban AKs.
Yeah, the AKs were comonly equiped with a bigass muzzle brake, had the gas tuned to the finest level and you were able to make full auto groups at 200 m. I mean, the full auto was always meant to be used mostly at close ranges. Btw, the bayonet is attached from the rear, so you don't have to put ur hand in front of the muzzle accidentally, which, i think, a soviet comrad woult be capable of. Besides, it is as solid as every other attachment. I personally think that they are both equally good rifles, but the VZs are usually better in terms of manufacture.
Hi Brandon. I am Czech, and when I was in the military service 25 years ago, we had the Sa.58 assault rifle as our main long weapon. It was a very good gun, and easy to repair and maintain it. Yes ! The old caliber is nonsense, but there were other calibers. For example, the Sa.58 (AP-67) was chambered in 7.62×51mm, and then the last version of the Sa.58 (AP-70/Z70) in 5.56×45 mm NATO 🙂
Czechoslovakia also had the VZ52 rifle (a SKS esque rifle), both that and the VZ58 were originally planned for the indigenous 7.62x45mm round, but the Soviets said no, so they had to redesign them for the 7.62x39mm.
Banned in 2020. You're speaking of a brief and bygone era. All semi-automatic rifles/carbines have been banned in Canada. Now they're trying to ban handguns.
of course vz.58 is much better than AK. I'm slovakian, born in czechoslovakia, own vz.58 but fired AK many times and can just tell you that quality, accuracy, overall craftmanship - these are simply uncomparable.. we in czechoslovakia know how to produce quality arms, while russians don't..very simple.. :)
This allows you to read the Sa vz machine. 58 is a successful model of small arms and a good competitor of the Soviet Kalashnikovs, as an alternative to which it was created. Nevertheless, the competition turned out to be very conditional, as clearly indicated by the number of weapons produced.
@@васякука-г1ж58 is a superior weapon. Made for self-defense. AK was produced, licensed in many places, partly to control others production. Did Russians compete with vz.58 ? I guess they did, because you say so and your argumentation is about numbers. As if, USSR would adopt a weapon not designed in USSR. Your uslovnaja competition looks like serious cope. Murricans are the same, murrican would praise his own excrement as smelling great.
To be honest I'm glad that despite the pop-shots that brandon has made at the Vz-58 in the past, he can at least still appreciate that its no an AK, its a rifle that shoots the same cartridge and has its own pro's and con's.
This was the "Canadian AK" until Dear Leader decided they were too scary. F to our rapidly diminishing firearms. Edit: to be clear, we had the semi-auto version. No fun allowed in Canada, just less fun allowed nowadays. RIP.
@@wealthybone2990 Fully automatic weapons are very useful for fighting. Short bursts of fully automatic fire greatly increase hit probability in a firefight. Standard infantry rifles have fully automatic capabilities both because of this and the fact that it allows any one man with a rifle to perform the role of squad automatic gunner and provide suppressing fire to support his or her squadmates.
@@wealthybone2990 They arent allowed full auto in the first place, he's talking about the fact that Trudeau banned ALL assault rifle platforms, semi or full. Pretty sure he's also going after the semi auto sporting rifles too.
Thanks for watching guys! I know you’ve been asking for a VZ-58 video for a while so here it is! What are your thought about the gun? Let me know down below!
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As a Canadian we love the VZ-58. They were super popular here since the AK is banned but the VZ wasn't... until Commander Sparkle Socks deemed them too scary in 2020. I had one but it fell off my boat in 2020.
Indeed. These things happen.
"Commander Sparkle Socks"!!! That made my night!
Also, I hope you're okay. People keep falling off boats lately
We still got the Type 81... right?
You should have loaded the rubber bullets - the gun would have floated then
I have one, because I was born in Czechoslovakia. Short note - to fire full auto bayonet should be attached for better control of gun. It was in army manual.
Hmm nice
how does a bayonet help recoil control? This just sound odd
interesting,i wonder what the idea behind that was
@@ariza7654 more forward weight
@@ariza7654 adds weight to the muzzle end
As a conscript to the Czechoslovakian army in 1966 when I was handed the VZ58 Sargant said ‘solder you will remember the serial number of your gun for the rest of your life’ and he was right, I am using it as a PIN number for my credit card.
Ain’t no way some 80 year+ old guy is watching Brandon Herrera
@@Zachm117 I am 75 not 80+, I back your pardon!
@@antonh1159 After returning from rifle range shooting live amo. and trace bullet we were cleaning our guns. On inspection I was told that the barrel is not clean enough and was sent beck to do a better job of it. So, had a smoke, have not touch the bloody thing return after 15 minutes whereas upon inspection I was told ‘it is perfect now’ off you go soldier.
@@janfrosty3392 thats hilarious!
What's your guns serial number?😂
We are from Slovakia and this rifle is reasonably priced and spare parts and aftermarket is always available to us unlike the AK. We agree on the safety lever it's so confusing and if you got good at it, your AK will give you hard time to get comfortable with. Great video. Thanks
Hey, nice to see another Slovak. Ahoj!
@@thatoneguythatlikescamembe5157 Ahoj. Dakujem pekne
Добрый день
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Ja som sa z 58 nastrieľal.
It's not surprising that the Czechs went with their own design. They have a long history of making some of the finest firearms in Europe. I would assume that presented with anything foreign, someone there would say, "We can do better."
of course :) even the first firearms were invented by czechs - during husites wars against german holy empire and the corrupt catholic church in 15th century (later it inspired lutherans and protestants - Germs didn't really got over it to this date because it spoiled their scam with indulgences and only recently they changed marketing from sins to carbon (history is fun)
Vz61 says hhyello!
I agree. The Czech's still make some of the finest firearms on the planet and now CZ owns Colt, so hopefully we see some awesomeness come out of that too.
#CZGANG
See brno
I like that Brandon has the objectively worse wood furniture on the VZ because with the beaver barf stock set it's 1000% cooler than the ak in a 60s art Deco cold war style way
Idk the stock looks worse.
"Beaver barf stock"...I hope people actually get that reference.
Totally agree
Mine has the beaver barf and it's a total pussy magnet lol
Well, if you want that style, there's always Type 63(or was it 65?).
Hey Brandon. Just wanted to let you know that you indirectly helped me get my C1 English language exam.
I was asked during the oral exam about people I follow on the internet and social media and I was asked to introduce you and describe your content. Needless to say, the examiner dropped her jaw when I started using firearms jargons and slangs.
So I just wanted to thank you for your contribution in my exam and the things you do. Stay awesome :D
Lol
That makes you fluent in murican
(Real) Americans across the country raise a toast in your honor 🍻 and give you a deserved “atta boy”
Nice, where are you from?
Welcome! We don't always suck this bad it's Brandon's fault. Keep the faith!
Edit. NOT this Brandon.... FJB
Im from Slovakia and we use it in army (in 99). If the VZ 58 is in good condition, you can hit an orange in 200 m distance
If you're lucky enough to have an orange in Slovakia.
@@petrmikulik5095 ??
@@petrmikulik5095 tak si veme jablko :D
@@stabar8578 Aha čechačik sa ozval.
@@janolump8091 češi jsou namyšlení kokoti - i proto mám slovenku už víc jak 13 let :-) Btw vz 58 mám už přes dva roky a za akčko bych jí nevyměnil. AK47 je podle mě kopyto, který akorát kope.
I think it is worth mentioning that Brandon was more accurate with this VZ than most of his AKs... lotta awesome PLINK sounds.
It's always impressed me how much the Czechs did with a milled vs stamped receiver. Milling thin walls without chatter is not a trivial matter, and the fact they made it lighter than an AKM is impressive.
They're like the eastern European equivalent of the Belgians: gunsmithing masters
thats the reason why nobody else was making it. Its really hard to make.
@@ironhead2008 except being in central Europe ;)
Yes, but the fact the it's short stroke piston makes it inherently lighter anyways right?
@@r6201sk Ah, yes, that distinction slips my mind sometimes.
Czech engineering is criminally under appreciated
Its tanks at the start of the second world war were some if the best in The world at the time and the germans actually kept them in production for the wermacht
Its no surprise that they build a solid rifle too
Czech engineering was for decades worlds top class. Unfortunately most of if is gone and we are just cheap assembly line for German factories now :(
Yeah, lets hear it for the Skoda pz35(T). About a third of the mediums used in Barbarossa in @41 were skoda vehicles.
Awesome vid, sir. Learned something new today!
Well, we trained all of last week on the VZ58, the bren in 7.62 (apply named by me as "the gucci AK" which really pissed off tge Czechs) and the scorpion-evo. All of them were pieces of crap except the evo.
It's called Czechnology
I am Czech and a profesional soldier, too. So I spend many years with vz. 58. It is nice assault rifle. Very reliable even in difficult enviroment (rain, dirt, mud) and easy to maintain. Several years when I was member of reconaisance batalion I had vz. 61. It is a Czechoslovakian small submachine gun 7,65 mm browning. I liked it, too.
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vz58 looks more inspired by stg44 than the ak47, actually it looks like perfected version of stg44
Masz rację, obie konstrukcje o których napisałeś są bardzo dobre. Czesi robią dobrą broń.
@@Simobunjevac C'mon, inspired in what? Similar shape of magazine, maybe. Inside is nothing similar to AK or STG, it's completely original construction.
@@santusvagus1115is it
I've always looked at the Vz. 58 as having more in common with an SKS than an AK - short stroke, the hinged mechanism is similar to the SKS's tilting bolt, open top-cover, accepts stripper clips. It falls more in the category of the Chinese Type 56 and Type 63 - "not quite AKs, but close enough".
And the MP44.
@@bobsmoot2392 No (not quite at least), the MP44 is also long-stroke like the AK47, with the difference being that the MP44 has a tilting bolt (like the SKS), while the AK has a rotating bolt.
@@TheBananaDealer
Striker fired. I agree. The VZ is more like the SKS in some ways.
To be fair I think the accuracy centered design was because of the Vz.52 which was in 7.62x45mm (don’t know the ballistics on that) and that design was carried over into a more assault rifle, well, rifle when the soviets didn’t like the Vz.52
I really like how mine feels yet i haven’t shot it yet… need some help getting that barrel in lol
Wow what an interesting yet not surprising intersection of two of the funnier firearms TH-camrs
Nobody liked the Vz.52 it was a collection of 50 years worth of bad gun ideas from Germany.
I would like a Vs.52/57 (I do want easy to get ammunition) to go right next to the spot reserved for the Type 11 hopper fed light machine gun.
Both are terrible but cool as fuck.
I was gonna bring up the vz.52. They only used it a couple of years and they were determined not to use the 7.62 x 39. I remember when you could buy the vz 52s in the 90s for less than $100 in unissued condition. Ammunition was pretty much unobtainable though!
Dude, I’ve never heard of the VZ52. Thanks for the added knowledge! Another awesome piece of human engineering. So many cool guns and so limited funding…good damn gas prices…
@@henryturnerjr3857 Actually a Vz.52/57 exists. It's a version in 7.62x39. And it's not like some old 52s were rechambered. The 52/57s were purpose-built.
Idk there’s just something about the VZ-58 that I really like. It just has that magic to it.
Think the charging looks weird.
It's a full auto SKS?
And a working, bolt hold open on the last round.
Its just an AK with a bald spot
I am sucker for pretty much everything Chez make. I recently sold a Glock and I am going to buy another CZ
I'm in the army as a reservist and we still use the SA 58. I've fired thousands of rounds out of it. It is a very popular weapon among the team. It still works, minimal glitches. It is light (this is a big advantage, you can run with it and hold it in high positions) and simple. Working with a fuse is not a problem if you get used to it. In the military, no one gets a lot of cuddles, and this gun holds up. You can throw it on the ground for several generations and it will still shoot accurately and flawlessly.
Do those rifles use a muzzle brake now or just the thread cover?
@@danh6720 The military still uses original weapons, so there is only a thread cover.
@@labros318 I suppose not worth buying even that small item since the Bren 2 is being adopted somewhat quickly now. I had to replace the barrel on my vz58, but here in the US it is difficult to get original barrels. The couple barrels that are made here use the thread pattern from the AK because there are more muzzle device options that way.
@@danh6720 Compensators for 58 are easily available here. And yesterday I received a message that our unit will also receive a bren 2, so that's the end of vz 58 in our army.
@@labros318 A fantastic rifle itself. The Bren 2 is very smooth shooting for a pistol rifle. It is very wide though. Bulky in comparison to the Vz58
It has a short stroke gas piston
It can load from stripper clip
It still has removable magazines
It takes 7.62x39mm
The only problem is it doesn't take AK magazines. Otherwise perfect rifle.
Unfortunately, the way the clip guide is it's got a bad habit of tripping the bolt and going half into battery when you use them
It also has a functional bolt hold open on the last round. Not sure how feeding from stripper clips is a bonus, though: this ain't the early 1900s anymore.
IDK, I have to agree with Brandon that safety is SKUFFED
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@@BrandonHerrera Hey I still have my AK, I love her. But I gotta appreciate good Slav Design. It's basically a suped up SKS.
One note: The vz.58 isn't striker fired, it's hammer fired. The firing pin is a separate component from the *linear hammer* (instead of a swinging hammer like most firearms).
Yes, 100x yes. Drives me batty.
I actually clarified that at one point, but it didn’t make the edit
@@BrandonHerrera oh lmao that's one unfortunate edit. I thought it was weird for you to miss a detail like that.
@@BrandonHerrera Too many white claws in the editing room methinks.
Thank you for the clarification, your comment made me pull mine out of the safe and investigate but your absolutely right! I never realized that before
Purely from an aesthetic standpoint, I put my vote on the VZ-58. The completely open top when the bolt is back reminds me a lot of the SKS, which is one of my favorite guns ever.
Vz 58 is more like an SKS made to look like an AK. And why is it so incompatible? You just want to defy the Russians...
The bolt carrier is definitely the sks part.
It's like the Chinese Type 81 but better.
From technical standpoint it is closer to SKS, than AK
I think it looks like an upgraded SKS.
Incompatibility with AK47 is a feature not a bug. Czechs were trying to protect their gun industry from becoming merely a production facility for Soviets. With having their own rifle, which was indeed in many aspects superior to AK47, they could justify retaining their own R&D as well.
Well, from what I know, my grandfather told me that the reason we made Vz. 58 different from the AK was to keep some independence from Soviets back in the day. It was somewhat popular as it even saw service in the Vietnam war, Cuban conflicts and in Afghanistan too. I really do enjoy AK rifles but Vz. 58 is something that I need in my collection as it is piece of our history. Fun fact but I think that some of the guys here will know. Vz. 58 is still in Czech military service even after Czech army adopted the CZ 805 Bren.
The majority of them are used by the reserve, though. Also the army is being (very slowly) rearmed with the Bren 2 rifles and the 805 Brens are in turn being sent to the reserve to replace the Vz.58.
Is was to thumb noses at the Russian occupiers.
It's the same reason they designed the CZ52 pistol in 7.62x25 with it's MG42 double roller locking mechanism over the Russian design pistol, and the same reason why they used the superior CZ82 they designed instead of the Makarov design.
Both of theses are in my collection, never fired the CZ52 as it's in the original parkerized finish and considered unissued condition. My CZ82 I have fired many times and is great. It's best if you hunt one down with the original polygonal rifled barrel. They never wear out and every ballastic test I've seen showed it leaves no projectile markings to match it up to the gun.
Only one I don't have is the VZ58 which is hard to locate.
LOK...I commented, from my knowledge of some Czech friends, that the thread was opposite because you guys *hated* the ruzzians ...
LOL...
You are correct, my wife is Slovak and her Grandfather and two uncle's were oficers in the Checkoslovakian Army and they said it was a way for them to keep thier own identity and essentially thumb the nose at the Russians
As a card-carrying left-handed person, the VZ-58 is a rare example of a vintage firearm perfectly designed for us southpaws. This endears it to me in a way the AK or really any other vintage firearm can’t match.
True in stock form. Upgrades/aftermarket parts eliminate any left-handed bias however.
How do You operate the magazine release? Can You reach it with Your trigger finger?
@@ukaszbiaas183 Yes, but I have very long fingers. It’s the least lefty-friendly aspect for sure, but I suppose you might also be able to do a reach around grip on the magazine like you were going to save and dump-pouch it.
@@ukaszbiaas183 Left hand can use trigger finger. There are aftermarket releases for right hand that use trigger finger.
Due to less tilt to lock required for mag engagement vs AK, mags drop free when release is activated and barrel is pointing slightly down.
Sounds cool. I gotta get one of those.
The VZ.
A proud piece of czechnology. Even tho I didn't help develop it, it still makes me extremely proud
Just so that you know, the "vz." ("vzor") simply means "Mk." ("Mark") in Czech, and is followed by the year of introduction into the army, meaning the weapon is called something like "Automatic Mk. 58" ("Samopal vz. 58" in Czech). ;-)
@@watchdogCZ you don't have to tell me, I am a czech lmao
It has become the weapon of choice for many PMC's and was (and still is) heavily used in Afghanistan and other such places. A few simple after market mods fix all of the complaints for AK lovers and they quickly convert. Change the selector switch and mag release to ambidextrous, add a flash suppressor, and change the pistol grip (the original is a little small) and fore stock. The gun is noticeably lighter, much easier to field strip and clean, being able to use stripper clips is great, being shorter makes it great in vehicles and close combat (even better if you have the following stock), the faster rate of fire allows you punch holes in harden targets, brick and stone walls, and light armored vehicles. In single shot it is far more accurate than the AK and can hit farther targets than the AK. In full auto its a climber so if you aim a little lower a mag dump will travel in a 3 inch wide strip for about a foot straight up, whereas with the AK you'll have a one foot circle. As for the bayonet, come on, the bayonet is a last resort item, if you have to use your bayonet it means that you are in a hand to hand situation and that comes down to who is the better trained soldier and luck, but don't worry the Vz-58 Bayonet will not let you down. If you want to see another (still in use) Czech rifle look at the Vz 52/57 it will make the SKS lovers have wet dreams
That recoil controllability might have had some level of legitimacy to it if the AK didn't have a JMAC Customs 4 chamber brake threaded to it.
Yeah, big oversight
That and a much lower pressure gas block that slowed the fire rate down to like 450 rpm. I'd be willing to bet it even has a higher strength recoil spring too, the Wolff XP spring in my AK drastically reduced the jumpiness just in semi auto. Absolutely rigged.
vz 58 was mainly built to opress comunist AK47 ......and original caliber intended for Vz58 was 7.62x45 but hooks to hell they had lot of 7.62x39 laying around so it won ove x45 variant
Yeah, this why the channel is called AK Guy, not VZ Guy
Brandon: "The gun is much harder to control."
Also Brandon: **Compares a tuned AKM with 4-port muzzle brake to a bone-stock VZ-58 with a bare muzzle**
But seriously though, if there's a way to tune these, and you actually found a muzzle brake that fit it, I feel like the recoil control would be pretty similar. The VZ would still be a bit harder because of the faster ROF, but yeah. Apples to oranges.
Slovaks have built some very decent muzzle brakes for it.
They can be tuned quite well. Czech army members used tuned up versions until the adoption of Bren 805 and Bren 2
Its a 14x1 righthanded thread if i remember right. With a detent lock on it. So find a 762 brake with that thread and your good to go. Most people i see with vz58's just run the sf brake that the czechs came up with before the sa58 got adopted.
i wonder if the Slant brake would work. Brandon himself said they work a little too well, so maybe a smaller slanted brake would be the right fit.
I really want to see Brandon gucci up a VZ and see how it runs.
The reason why VZ 58 was developed was as much about army requirement as about national identity, since Czechoslovakia had big gun manufacturing tradition
Originaly, Czech even wanted different caliber
Just 2 points, after living with Vz.58 for a year:
1) the weight difference in favor of Vz.58 is more than 0,5 kg (2,9 kg of Vz.58 vs. 3,5 kg of AK) - you WILL appreciate the weight difference quickly, if you carry the gun whole day 😉
2) using the selector is both intuitive & super-easy with first phalanx of the right index finger - and all that without releasing grip or de-focusing from target. Still consider it a nice feature, definitely not bug.
I’ve got one, and as a “wrong handed” shooter, the safety works well for me. Doesn’t seem any more practically accurate than a good ak but it’s a cool rifle.
@@Org80 He made a video on that recently
@@Org80 m82a2 (bullpup barret 50 cal)
yummy brass? or rather steel in this economy
As a Czech, I personaly love this firearm. It´s such a nice piece of history.
Also very good video Brandon, hope to see some more Czech guns in a future.
Přesně tak soudruhu
@@MichalKolac jako jo :)
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As an owner of one i can tell you that there is a way to operate the switch with the palm and trigger finger without letting go of the pistol grip. It is also nice to se any vz.58 go full auto, mine has been butchered to semi only by the law of Czech Republic and European Union.
Jebať európsku úniu
the safety selector switch on a semi-auto vz-58 really isn't that bad. Going off of what you said, learning to flick the selector forward into the firing position with your trigger finger is really not very hard and is as quick as any AK or AR in practice. I think Brandon overstates how un-ergonomic it is to use. I have a VZ-58 set up as a defensive rifle and I don't have much to complain about in regards to the safety selector.
Should not be that hard to convert it back to full auto no? Isn't the sear spring only thing that is different in semi-auto version?
automatika beztak hrozne plejtva penezma ;)
@@sssummmak Oh máš to zpátky na full auto? FBI OPEN UP!
I'm Czech. Army service 2000-2001 (more than a decade after SSSR falled apart), one of the last turnuses, only proffesional army since 2004. Had a chance to test both AK and VZ. Won several "weekend out of base" in shooting competitions there. And had to do dissasemble and back of the gun too many times to count 😀 . Honestly - VZ is better than AK. Why? 1. easier to clean. 2. more accurate in burst mode. 3. lighter, 4. more deadly in auto if you can control medium bursts. I was able to hit 3/3 on 200m figurine in burst with VZ, not with AK. And single-shot, for unknown reason, I was hitting 7/10 on 400m "machine-gun-post-target" with VZ, while AK only 3/10 average. In a practical low2medium range combat where AR comes in, the VZ will do better for running around with, medium-range snappin with burst, and if you can control longer bursts in auto, it's much more devastating. Btw. did you know that 7,62x39 is capable of shooting through side of BMP-1 between the wheels? That's where the faster fire rate comes in. Laying hidden aside the road and being able to just spray those 30 bullets at (and through) an otherwise formidable target in such short moment and get away ....
I'm Slovak. I have 5 of these guns. It's easy to clean. It's modifiable. It's very good gun.
Exactly, VZ 58 is very easy to clean, and this is a very important feature. It also jams less.
I'll just add that VZ stands for "vzor" (model, exemplar, design, standard, type).
The 58 stands for 1958.
SA VZ 58- Samopal Vzor 1958 no asi tak . Zbožňujem zbrane
I think the biggest problem is, autor use plain, unmodified SA 58 vs. short modified AK 47...so this say nothing at all. Plain vs plain or modified vs. modified. Long story short, autor is AK fan, so here we are.
For me as a Czech Republic citizen was the Vz 58 my first rifle and it was almost impossible to buy anything else within 500$ budget. The Vz 58 has something more to it in Czech Republic. Like tradition. It is more than just AK vs Vz58, it is part of the culture and most of gun licence holders who can buy rifles buy the Vz 58. It’s like AR-15 to Americans. I personaly like it, but don’t love it. I like my AR or the Steyr AUG better, but this is very individual. The 7.62x39 is not the best cartridge, that could be the reason. At 300m is easier to hit with .223 than the 7.62x39 so i prefer the .223 over 7.62. Also the price comes to mind, when brass 7.62 cost about 0.75$ and brass .223 cost about 0.50$ per round. With steel cased ammo we currently go little less than 0.50$ for 7.62 so it makes no more sence to fire steel cased chinese ammo from 1952 (not kidding - most of it is really that old). But when the 7.62 costed about 0.15$… good old times… 👍🏻 it is time to move forward and use NATO ammo for less than the old soviet surplus one for higher price.
Still have couple thousands of 7.62 rounds, so we can shoot as much we want.
Great video, thank you!
Greetings from Czech Republic!
Btw. if we are able to conceal it, we can carry anything from pistols, rifles, PCCs to shotguns and sniper rifles. I don’t think it’s possible during the summer, but in the winter, you can meet people carrying some crazy stuff.
I have to ask, so, you are able to buy same rifles we Americans do, are able to carry concealed anything you want yet you do not have the same mass shootings we have in the States? Are you also able to buy suppressors? (Anyone else reading, I am not trying to make this political etc. I am merely asking a question on how their system works, what they are able to own and if they have the same problems we do with firearms. I'm not ok with licenses.)
@@oif3vetk9 Not 100% percent sure about suppressors but i would think yes we can buy them because i saw add for some 3d titanium silencers in shooting magazine.
the last part reminds me of a meme. A czech or slovakian news published an report and in the middle of it there was a quote that might be from someone inside the government saying "shoot the terrorist yourselves" with a fallout new vegas dude with a bright red eye saying "we can't expect god to do all the work"
@@oif3vetk9 owning gun here is not common, most people never fired one and don't own one.
You also need license that is not just formality to get. You need to be medically checked, pass the test, have clean criminal record, pay..
There are different types of licences (for hunting, sport, collecting, service weapons, ..).
If you get licence after 10 years you have medical check too see if you are fit to keep the licence.
You can't open carry.
So it is not something you just get cause you have free day and nothing better to do :)
Also different mentality, culture.
Good thing is we don't have any restriction to carry knives (of swords, battle axes, ... :) ).
@@oif3vetk9 We had like 3 mass shootings in 30 years? Not that much like USA. But obtaining gun is harder there. Something to read:
A gun in the Czech Republic is available to anybody subject to acquiring a firearms license. Gun licenses may be obtained in a way similar to a driving license - by passing a gun proficiency exam, medical examination and having a clean criminal record. Unlike in most other European countries, the Czech gun legislation also permits a citizen to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense - 252,245 out of 308,990 gun license holders have a concealed carry permit (31 December 2021).
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An applicant applies for a gun license at a designated local office of the National police. If the conditions of age, qualification, health clearance, criminal integrity and personal reliability are met and a fee of 700 CZK (US$ 30.52) per type is paid, the license shall be issued in thirty days.
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Obtaining the license requires passing a theoretical and practical exam.
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The law specifies safe storage requirements for those owning more than two weapons or more than 500 rounds of ammunition. Additional safe storage requirements are stipulated for those owning more than 10 and more than 20 firearms.
Full wiki article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_Czech_Republic
Biggest gripe about the VZ is the lack of good ways to mount an optic and other accessories. That being said, the paratrooper stock and beaver-barf handguard is a whole vibe. My brother has one and it shoots surprisingly soft for how light it is.
The receiver cover mount is annoying for disassembly and the side mount is a bandaid, so I feel you on that.
@@Ephem13 Slovakian army uses upgraded versions with rails and modern optics, but still old good reliable rifles. Recruits and new soldiers uses these in basic versions
You can get a full set of MLOK furniture for the VZ, and stock adapters.
so have one like that and literally everyone i have had shoot it prefers my sks. it makes me sad
You can have ris rail on dust cover and there is also a ris variant of forend. At least here in Slovakia.
As a Czech, who has fired and walked around with this rifle a lot... I can tell you... that its perfect. Fire selector is something to get used to but its actually really easy to go to semi from safe when you learn just a little bit. All in all... thank you, for sharing a little bit of my countries firearm history. Love ya, no homo.
You guys used them up until recently, right?
@@ironhead2008 we still got some in storage :)
@@ironhead2008 The reserve still uses some.
@@honzabalak3462 I figured as much. I remember seeing pics of Czech troopers in Afghanistan and Iraq packing VZ-58s. It's kind of funny, not only did Czechoslovakia not adopt the AK, but AFAIK, they were the only country in the Warsaw Pact that didn't adopt 5.45x45!
VZ-58 is really good weapon, especially modern versions. Maybe it´s a reason why Stonebrige and Scott use it in Strikeback series. 😀
I heard the strains of “Short Change Hero” when I read this!
The fact that Brandon did this in 100 degree weather is next level dedication. Proud to be a sexy youtube motherlover, and proud to be a member of the #akgnotificationsquad
Trust me living anywhere in texas thats below the Dallas area, I guarantee you will see 105° days on the regular. I live in Houston so I know.
This rifle is our version of 'Don't tell me what to do mom!". Great video, cheers from CZ!
Right on! Keep making world class firearms and PLEASE make a double stack micro 9.
Obviously - I’m a czech and I love this rifle, since I own one, but:
- the selector is actually quite easy to operate while being righthanded
-the muzzle thread is just ok - every single gunsmith around here makes a suppressor or a muzzle break for the VZ.58
-the gun itself is lighter and thinner than any AK platform
-I love it
-optic mounting is really eazy given the shape of reciever
-oh, we have captive pins, yay!
Personal opinion it also looks better than an AK..
VZ has the sauce
I hope that if Russia rolls into Europe that they just go around you guys, since you're not little babies that whine all the time.
Semi or Full?
@@garethfuller2700 you must work for a 3 letter acronym
The VZ58 was popular here in Northern Ireland, used by "Loyalist" / "Unionist" / "Protestant Paramilitaries. They imported 300 of them in 1988. This Assault Rifle is iconic in "Ulster". There are many videos or photos on Google showing Loyalist gunmen, firing them.
I have had several of them. They were always incredibly reliable. I had the economy version of the stock - no luxury wood just chipboard and glue (I jest). I built one into a fake 'Gattling type' gun on a tv series to be blown up on a train,. After the explosion everything was ruined except the metal. A quick hose down with hot water and the gun fired perfectly. The falling locking block system is great - Carl Walther was a clever man and the Czechs were bright enough to use his idea. They have been making excellent weapons for years. The famous BREN gun even has its name taken from the two factories Brno and Enfield (UK). Love from the 51st State. xxx
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@@snarevox LOL! Very good! - UK
When judging the gun, don't forget: Guns were also a political topic. Czecho-Slovakia had before WWII a very well developed weapons industry, and produced also for Germany in WWII guns. They wanted to "isolate" themselves a bit in the warsaw pact - and don't forget: 1958 was the Emerge of the VZ-58, just 10 Years later, in 1968, the russians "liberated" Czechoslovakia from its own political path in Prague.
For czehoslovakian tanks that crushed soviet soldiers, czehoslovakian mausers that shooted soviet citizens, czechoslovakian shells ripped in to pices soviet kids, for all of that soviets had to gave flowers to czehoslovaks or witch type of gratefulness ?
@@waaaaaaaaghhhhh5809 lol learn sth about history bro
@@waaaaaaaaghhhhh5809 I can assure you, the Czechs were not producing much of that equipment of their own free will. Reinhard Heydrich was making damn sure of that.
@@waaaaaaaaghhhhh5809 What the hell were you trying to say with that? Not sure if i should laugh or if that would be considered "ableist" these days
7.62x45mm
Bolt and piston is like an SKS. I really love to shoot my VZ-58. It's one of my favorites. Mine has beaver barf furniture and the side folding stock. It's one of my top 3 for what I have.
Both an AK & a SKS combined? Instant gun enthusiast boner.
Almost like if Simonov and Kalashnikov had an odd love child
Czehoslovaks: Short stroke gas piston, striker fire, vired bolt locking system guess the rifle? Soviets: AVS -36
4:49 "Czeching you priviledge". Thanks for the pun Brandon. As a czechoslovak I appreciate that (mom czech, dad slovak)
Well you did not make a lot of new Czech fans with this video I can tell you that. But seriously, it is an awesome gun. This gun really was something like middlefinger to USSR in that time, more that anything else. And actually was used in many conflicts and millitaries over the world, just patented, so nobody could copy it and make for themselves (not being better than AK was not the reason)
Canadian here with correction. At 13:41 he said you can't do a speed reload.
You can do a speed reload, if you use a beer-can-grip to hold your magazine and keep your thumb out, away from the magazine in your hand. Your thumb activates the magazine release and knocks out the empty mag in a single motion. This doesn't allow for magazine retention, but gets the mag-well free for the reload being held in the beer-can-grip.
You're welcome.
or you can get ambidextrous mag release and push the release with teh trigger finger while slapping the mag with the new one
and then you can add bolt release again operated by trigger finger.
makes reloads almost as fast as on AR
It’s interesting that the Czechs did their own thing when it came to 7.62x25 with Tokarev vs. CZ52, 9mm Makarov with the Makarov vs. CZ82, and the AKM vs. VZ58. Shows how much former Czechoslovakia were proud of their established arms manufacturers and made weapons housed in Warsaw Pact calibers.
also we were not very happy with societ occupation and hate them ever since. Thats why we are doing our things.
Well, the CZ-52 is superior to the Tokarev, so they got that one right.
That said, I still say they just made the VZ-58 because they wanted a better SKS, not a better AK-47. It actually has more in common with the SKS than the AK.
@@Bacteriophagebs and the CZ82 I'd superior to the Makarov too 12 rounds a d an ambi safety before ambi was cool
@@jamesolbrisch2582 I've never handled either one, so I wouldn't know, but given all the other Czech alternatives to Soviet guns, I don't doubt it in the least.
@@jamesolbrisch2582 I have a bit of a crush on 82/83 series
I'm so proud I was born in the very same country where this beautiful gun had been developed and produced. Former Czechoslovakia. We have been two independent countries for over 30 years now - the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic. ❤
Ahh the Czechs, one of the most underrated firearms designers in Europe. Thanks for the VZ.58 you absolute Legends!! (Thanks for the Vz.24 as well ❤️)
Thanks mate, check also Uk vz 59 machine gun :)
I would not say they r underrated, CZ did just buy Colt
@@mrdictator7030 That would be because American gun manufacturers are run by bankers and investment firms.
You are welcome
the Vz.24 helped us loads in the consitutional revolution in Iran and we still have tons of them laying around. Awesome guns
I have shot and own a vz58. One of my favorite rifles. The history of Czechs making their own designs like the vz52 instead of the sks is really cool to me.
You have to keep in mind when asking why this gun was designed that it was a symbol of national pride and resistance in the face of Soviet dominance. Czechoslovakia was far more resistant to Soviet political, military, and economic control than any other nation in the Warsaw Pact, so it would make sense that their army would be of a similar mindset. Combine this defiance with the storied tradition of Czech arms design in the interwar period (VZ 26, ZH 29, and the plethora of Mauser derivatives) you understand how this nationalistic thought characterized Czechoslovakia in the early Cold War. This gun is more than just a gun, it’s a political statement meant to tell the Russians that, despite their political control, they cannot fully subjugate the Czech nation and people.
Wanted to write same about VZ and Czech republic , but seems u first
I was about to ask why they made a new gun that feeds from a different magazine since that would be a logistical problem but yeah that is neat
I've always greatly admired the Czech for this reason. God bless them, and may their independent spirit ever burn bright
And for the most part, Czechoslovakian products were made with better quality then the Russians.
Rule number one: Don't mess with a Czech. Rule number two: See rule number one.
I had the chance to fire one of these when I was a British soldier on peacekeeping in Bosnia. We were with the Czech army on deployments we had a range day with them where I fired this weapon and the Czechs had a go on our SA80's. I found it was not bad to fire but when firing automatic, it tries to climb and the Czechs were surprised at how heavy our SA80 was, but found it pleasant to fire on automatic.
There is a chance you ran into my father in Bosnia. He was there as a part of the UNPROFOR and SFOR missions.
It was more pleasant because it was heavy. You could just add more weight on it and make it similary pleasant.
Czechoslovak leadership: "How can we say 'fuck you' to the Soviets without actually saying it?"
Czechoslovak arms designers: "We could build a rifle that *looks* like an AK, shoots the *same* bullet, but is completely different in every other way possible."
Czechoslovak leadership: "Do it."
Czeck arms designers: If we take AVS - 36 as a base no one will know .... Soviets: facepalm
I’m thinking the same with another pseudo-AK: The Chinese type 81.
@@АлександрМаврин-я5х Eh, part of the problem with the AVS was the caliber: 54r is a big powerful round and if you're gonna chamber it in a fairly light (compared to a machine gun) fully automatic rifle, you had better have your shit together and even then controlling it is gonna be a bitch in full auto. I'd argue that's a reason why the Eastern Bloc didn't have a "Battle Rifle" phase: the Soviets had already played around with them and realized they were no good for a regular service weapon. Full size cartridges are best in a semiauto only infantry rifle (the Brits took that tact with the SLR) and a open bolt full auto GPMG. That same rifle design turned out great once it went through a little more development and was converted to 7.62x39: the SKS.
@@АлександрМаврин-я5х more like tuned out sks, avs is diferent story
they’re a strong independent country; they don’t need no Soviet military aid
Not gonna lie, the VZ.58 is one of my favorites.
A couple things i like that you didnt mention:
I like the magazines and they seem to be easier for newer shooters to put in correctly than the AKMs.
The lightweight but still milled receiver is a big plus to me, less mass hurts rapid fire control but makes it more pleasant to carry.
The muzzle threading is weird but there are a couple good brakes that are i believe of slovakian style that definitely help with the muzzle jump.
That being said there is almost no support for 14x1.0RH and so you are either stuck with VZ.58 specific devices or an ugly adapter. I had to get a keymo muzzle device custom made for suppressing mine.
Comparing it to a KNS tuned AK, the AK is both heavier and if tuned right loses almost all jolt from bolt carrier group hitting end of travel.
I'm sure you could make the VZ58 shoot a lot softer if you started with a virgin barrel and slowly increased gas port size, but they are in the same camp of "designed a little overgassed" as the normal AKMs, M4s, etc.
Oh that's right, in my experience they suppress quite well, dont seem to be overly effected by the increased backpressure but will not cycle subsonic 7.62x39.
Also reloading from stripper clips is a lot of fun, so thats a plus.
That bayonet lug also doubles as a bipod attachment point for the simple yet effective bipod they issued with the "night vision equipped" models that also had a side rail for one of those giant NV scopes.
I own two VZ.58s and six AK variants AKM/RPK/74 and shoot them all :)
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If you wanted to be fair in comparing the recoil between the two, you should have removed the highly efficient muzzle brake from the AK ;)
The Czechoslovaks never really appreciated executing orders from Moscow, so when the Soviets only imposed the caliber 7.62x39 for their assault rifle, they chose to develop a rifle where everything was different from the AKM, except for the caliber, obey the orders, but not an inch more. That's why even the thread pitch is the other way around.
Yep the Czechs hated Russian occupation so the pushed back where possible which is why they used the VZ58 in place of the AK-47.
Same with hand guns the Czechs used their CZ52 pistol over the Russian design and why they used the superior CZ82 Pistol over the Russian Makarov pistol.
@@Milner62 Hate them or not it seems stupid to sabotage any sort of compatibley between you and the only military support you'd receive in the event of war. Since lets be honest the West does give a damn about anything further east than Germany.
But hey I hear dead civilians and burning buildings are fashionable.
@@clothar23 , not sabotaging them seeing as the weapons were used by the Czechs and they were building them as well.
Not to mention the Czechs went up against the Russians numerous times to remove the invaders.
@@Milner62 I am sorry how is building a rifle that can not be serviced by Soviet logistical support in any way not sabotaging your chances in a war against NATO forces. The thing can't even take AK mags.
Any spare parts and maintenance would have to be done in country. Which considering Czechoslovakia was closer to the NATO forces stationed in West Germany than Russia was seems sketchy ya dig. I mean it's a totally good idea to have your military industrial complex on the frontlines of a land war against a superior enemy.
That logic worked out well for Germany in the 1940s after all.
@@clothar23, cause soviet logistical support was not a thing in this case. If the soviets were providing support in that sense then they would be making the guns and giving the guns to these countries not having them make them themselves. There were also more than one country that was under russian control that wanted their occupiers out and they still were tasked with building the equipment no different than any other territory.
You are reading too far into it thinking that russia was going to supply parts, why would russia supply parts when they are having each country make the firearms in the first place.
You keep wanting to hate it, but deep in what's left of your heart, you know it's the better rifle.
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As a Czech man, you made me feel proud. Thank you for featuring the VZ-58, hope you liked it.
Čau 😂
In my country, this rifle is very popular,when you have one,you are considered as a real Czech man. I have the one with foldable stock, wich we call "kosa" in Czech, that means "scythe" in English..For Czechs, this rifle is really special symbol of our pride. Love my vz 58, one day i will give it to my son.
You Czech brothers are luckier (wiser) with the laws than we are (Your Polish northern neighbors), it is easier for You, and GOOD FOR YOU! :)
Please DO NOT LET the EU clowns f@#k it up :)
@@GazalAlShaqab Yes it is true, in Czech we have very strong comunity in government and also very strong public comunity of legal firearms. Im glad, this topic of fireamrs in Czech Republic is still well defended against EU and its stupid political ideas..
its from slovakia
@@r4cksup Constructer of the rifle was Czech, Jiří Čermák, rifle was manufactured in Uherský Brod in Czech republic... This has nothing to do with Slovakia 🤣🤣
@@r4cksup Czechoslovakia man
From the testing I've seen the vz-58 is actually significantly more accurate than any ak variation. Like 1moa vs 4moa. 9 hole reviews did a good test on this
Rob ski found similar results
Short piston vs long piston? Edit: add dwell time too.
The issue is all US guns have other than "mil-spec" if you will barrel. To my knowledge all US VZ 58 variants were build with a new barrel. Military surplus that is quite popular and available to Czech shooters has usually similar results to AK.
Many AK’s have better than 4MOA accuracy
@@rianmach9043 some have worse. They are roughly as accurate as a vintage mini 30.
I have never fired an AK, but I have fired this, and it felt incredible the first time I did. I was like 14 or 15 when I first tried it - I honestly thought it would be more difficult to control.
I have fired both the old and modernised VZs and i love it (maybe beacuse im czech). The gun imo is superior to the AK beacuse the magazine interchangability isnt really a downside. While i agree that the selector is stoopid, it doesnt really make that much of a change. I can tell you that the VZ is more accurate than the AK when shooting 1 boolet at time. (i've tried it myself).
There are ambi selectors available too -- left side/thumb activation for right hand shooters.
I get why he wants to rock back and forthcoming any ak mag in 7.62x39, but it’s like an M9, you cannot put a glock mag in it, the M9 may or may not be better and is beautiful, so why give it up for a glock? Most wouldn’t. Lol though I never shot a vz or an ak, we In Canada can get the Chinese type 81 though.
@@DYLANJJK94 Nah, Vz58 used to be great up north. Cucktrudeau 86ed it though...
I always thought of the VZ-58 being kind of like a hybrid between the AK-47 and the SKS due the ability to load it through the top as well as having a large detachable magazine.
Also the exposed bolt carrier and short-stroke piston. I totally agree. Mechanically, the VZ-58 has more in common with the SKS/VZ-52 than with the AK. It just _looks_ more like an AK.
Look Up the Type 81 that thing is literally a full auto SKS AK hybrid. Made by China.
I may be wrong about this but I think that the point of the stripper clip feature was not reloading like that in combat, these were issued with multiple mags and reloading by swapping mags was how people were trained. The idea was that during down time when you are refilling your mags, your combat ammo re-supply came in stripper clips, so you inserted an empty mag, locked your bolt to the rear and used your gun as a mag loader.
13:16 I'm so glad you mentioned the fact that it can be topped off with stripper clips. Had no idea this was even a feature until I was doing some research before I got my own. I find that SKS stripper clips work just fine. Great video!
The VZ58 was also used in Full Metal Jack as the weapon of choice by various VC fighters including the sniper at the end of the film. I don’t think it was meant to be in place of the AK since it was one of the weapons given to North Vietnam during the war. Either way, it works
Wow that's one CRAZY AK variant🙈
I heard that the Russians called it an AK58. Wild huh?
Aren't u a battle rifle bussy boy such as myself
More like sks variant
More like Administrative Bitchsults
Not an ak variant. It was completely new gun,only the design was inspired
There is a lot of modern accessories for the Vz.58. It's a sweet rifle and a fun way to show off gun knowledge to others. I'd love to own one but they are far more rare than 5 years ago. Personally, I like that wire folding stock and that bakelite stock over the wood or modern plastics. The Czech Army used the rifle for years after the USSR collapsed and I've heard their replacement for it doesn't compare to the reliability of the Vz.58
Slovak army uses this rifle still, in this basic verzion used by recruits and new soldiers, in upgraded versions with optics by regular soldiers. It's very reliable and cotrolable gun if you know it well.
Just go to czech republic and buy one we have plenty here and even the modernized versions but those ones are special so not much of em
CZ BREN 2 (and even CZ 805 BREN after getting rid off those child diseases) is really a step miles forward from vz.58.
There is something about AKs and VZs that just look make them look cool with a wire folding stock, but I can’t see it like that for any 5.56 rifle. But I never shot either rifle type.
I owned a VZ58 and am looking for another one. I should never have traded it. I liked the lighter weight, handier size and gentler recoil. I'm not a good enough shot to squeeze any extra accuracy, but it certainly wasn't worse.
A higher cyclic rate isn't much detriment to those of us without full auto
Just shot a vz 58 today and honestly it was amazing to shoot. Smooth trigger pull, barely any kick (especially compared to a ak) and overall it kicked ass
I remember being a small boy looking at a VZ thinking I was seeing an AK in all of it’s glory.
I think it’s very important to remember that the Czechs really hated being a part of the Soviet Union against their will. Many of them saw it as no different to being occupied by the Nazis. So there was always this sort of subliminal resistance to the soviets going on, and it’s very evident in their arms manufacturing. So the Vz. 58 wasn’t made because they thought the AK was bad and they thought theirs was better, it was really a “go fuck yourself” to the soviets. The same thing applies to the original vz. 52 rifle and pistol. And the CZ 82 later.
Czechoslovaks*
@@thesaul9484 Drž hubu a krok, nikdo přece nemusí o Slovácích vědět... a o lidech v Brnu už vůbec ne.
@@thesaul9484 well, without getting into a too deep breakdown of the history of Czechoslovakia, which was more of an allied front to gain independence from the Austro-Hungarian empire, the country known as Czechoslovakia was always a very non-integrated culture. All the firearms I talked about were developed in the Czech side and at that time, plants on the Slovak side were manufacturing Soviet arms, so it’s not wrong to talk about these firearms as being a Czech product, not a Czechoslovak.
As someone who still has the good ol' red star Czechoslovakian passport, thanks for typing out what I wanted to type, lol
This is specifically why I prefer the vz58, just because I love that FU mentality, and it's built really well...
The side folder is rock-solid even after all these years.
I mean with all due respect in regards to recoil the vz doesnt have a muzzle device to compensate for it, meanwhile comparing it to an original first production ak47 which ALSO doesnt have a muzzle device, the vz sure seems to have a lot less recoil even with its faster rate of fire
During the Cold War, Czechoslovakia was to Warsaw Pact what France was to NATO. They had their own small arms, which were well made and they weren’t changing how they did business, even for a super power.
Also, current small arms individual weapons manipulation was not something they considered
We train to fight from a standing position much more than 1950s-60s soldiers from any army.
They fought overwhelmingly from the prone and made short rushes. Many times covering ground behind AFVs.
The VZ58 is pretty ergonomic, even for right handed shooters, when you’re handling it in the prone (look at the “flat” lead edge of the mag, for example: monopod anyone).
Also, it’s no coincidence there’s absolutely no interchangeability with the AK: even the compensator. They didn’t want it. Soviets dictated caliber, but allowed them to design their own rifles
They were so independent minded and not compliant with the Soviets, in fact, that the Soviets had to invade Czechoslovakia in 1968 and crack down because there was way too much independent thought going on.
Great rifle. I like both the AK and the VZ. But they are nothing alike
VZ is actually closer to WWII german stuff, not the MP44, the other semi auto, which I forget the name of at the moment.
Enjoyed the video!
I've got a VZ-58 since I collect Czech guns and live in Maryland, where the only 7.62 AKs I can get are "pistols". It's definitely a unique rifle that is comparable to the AK but "superior" is very subjective. The action has been described to me as more like a "linear hammer" than a true "striker" but I'm not enough of an expert to make the distinction. There is some clear inspiration from Walther handguns in the action as well, which is really interesting to me. The platform is rather popular in more restrictive states as it can avoid "AK bans" while still having a similar vibe. Great video, I hope to finally get some trigger time with mine but all my pre-coof 7.62 is bimetal and most of the ranges near me won't let me use it.
Feel your pain, man. Annapolis is really effing up the "Land of Pleasant Living".
I love czech guns. I'm a czech living in the US, and wish I could own every CZ product (I've got a scorpion and cz75) they made some of the coolest shit I've ever seen. Makes me proud to be czech
Seems like a lot of states these days don't like the constitution and the bill of rights.
The separating point from linear hammers and strikers is the function of the firing pin. The linear hammer still is striking a separate firing pin. A true striker fired gun, the striker is also the firing pin. The Reising SMG is a linear hammer IIRC. But, that's been a long time since I watched that FW video.
You can’t have an ak in Maryland??
A well tuned AK with compensator vs a stock VZ-58, go figure. I own a semi, and shot the select fire version quite a bit in Iraq, (Iraqi National Police used them). Remember, they were originally were chambered in the 7.62x45. That's part of the reason for the different mag. I own 12 different AK variants, the VZ beats all the 7.62 ones in accuracy hands down.
Yeah, they should. Long-stroke pistons are not conducive to accuracy. That's why companies that accurize Saigas often cut the barrels as short as possible, so the bullet is out before the piston hits the back of the receiver and screws everything up.
I agree. Got to play with several during my 07-09 tour ub mosul and I found the VZ58 to be the better rifle
@@Bacteriophagebs Long stroke guns can be very accurate like the Tavor and SSG 550, it depends on the quality.
The Vz 58 safety is pretty easy to manipulate, the trick is to use the base of your index finger where it meets the palm, much quicker and you don't have to break your grip.
You just have to talk to lefties who use AR’s.
I bought mine because the price was un beatable. It's not the VZ58 but the VZ2008. Only semi auto is the difference. I paid less than $500 for it and it still remains one of my top 3 guns I own. I did put some upgrades in the stock and grip that makes it even better.
VZ58 is basically a premium version of an AKM although its a completely different desing. Still it has higher quality in every way.
As a Czech patriot, I have to agree with you on almost everything except the selector, which makes it blatantly obvious when your safety is on. And also the mag release, which I really love. Other than that, spot on!
especially if you are lefthanded, the controlls make perfect sense.
8:20, its quite a bit unfair to compare a well gased ak (most aks are pretty overgased) with a muzzle break on it to a completly stock vz58.
I didn't expect anything else, from the beginning it was obvious that AK must won.
Yeah.. that thing was a typewriter..
Beat me to it, lol.
Yup, my first thought.
Not really. It's easy to get aftermarket parts for an AK such as kns piston and muzzle brakes. VZ58? Not so much.
as we were taught during training - weapon safety facing forward - towards the enemy (shooting burst), safety facing backwards - towards yourself - 1 round - for yourself ...
I'd like to add that another Pro to the VZ. 58 is that, even though the safety selector is really awkward, at least it doesn't leave a giant hole in the side of the gun when in the firing position.
AKs were made to have open design. if you lived in russia or canada you would see why that is better when the gun is jammed you can smack it open and get it working in 30 seconds again. i would not want to use the VZ or anything AR platform in a fighting condition
@@dalejrjunior1298 Have you cleared a jam like... ever?
@@dalejrjunior1298 If you're not a stupid klutz and know how to handle your rifle in the field, you shouldn't be worrying about gunk getting into the action of _any_ of those guns.
People are way too worried about how a rifle handles mud and rocks getting inside, when what really matters is how the damn thing handles dust, lack of lubricant, and inconsistent ammo quality.
@@kyotra so u just described an ak. also i was talking about ice specifically and where i live snow/rain and freezing tempuratures could make a rifle ice pretty quick. i have had it happen on my bolt action rifle. was just saying the open platform of an ak is ideal for cold wet and icy regions
@@dalejrjunior1298 Oh, I didn't realize you were specifically dealing with ice and cold weather - yeah, the AK wins hands-down in that case.
Still stand by what I said about dust, lube, and ammo quality. The AK isn't magic, it's just over-gassed (which incidentally wears out the gun super fast).
Braydon! The bayonet design is much smarter than you imagined. A problem of bayonet usage throughout history is their ability to become stuck on opposing combatants. A more easily detachable bayonet is effective in this scenario so the body of the gun is more easily removed from the bayonet in times of emergency.
nah, that's dumb. conventional bayonet would be far easier to detach from the rifle if it is stuck in the enemy's body.
That doesn't make any sense, if the bayonet is stuck in a motherfucker how are you supposed to pull it back to unlock it from the gun when stomping your boot into his chest and yanking the whole gun back with way more leverage didn't work? You certainly can't hold the release button in and push whole gun forward through the dead guy to get it off. It's like that mostly to be different but also because you can get the bayonet on more easily when the rifle is shouldered and so you don't have to put your hand in front of a loaded gun while you do it.
In Vietnam we just pulled the trigger and shot our weapon clear if the bayonet was stuck in the ribs or some other bones.
@@douglasturner6153 perfect solution, what if you used your bayonet as last-ditch after you emptied your mag ? :D
@@hoppinggnomethe4154 pushing the rifle through the body to take it out? Sure
As a czech, I instantly clicked. Hell yeah, great video!
Czech yeah!!
ja taky haha
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@TheNorman Čau
@@freedpr5065 Donbass fan?
Hey nice video! I only disagree with the shooting distance, as a former shooting range commander we had effectively hit targets on 400m without any problem and the bullets were even destroing high voltage isolators in the range of 1,5 km.
I was a member of the army in 1995 and 1996. SA vz.58 has a range of 2.8 km and has deadly effects on humans throughout the entire flight. Of course, the accuracy at such a long range is small.
Don't mind him, mate, he (Brandon) is an American 😊.
Just got done with demo ranch. Perfect timing for some Brandon Herrera.
I'm still laughing about Brandon's gripe on the selector switch. I have one of these in semi-auto variant, and it's as simple as drawing the trigger finger along the receiver, safe to semi-auto, which in the context of about-to-engage would be super intuitive. Back to safe, which would be when any engagement is over, just requires the right thumb to wrap around the grip and flick forward. Since all I have are semis, I have no real opinion on switch to full auto.
I love this gun, just as much as an AK.
Exactly. I always use a thumb. He's a slow learner
Plus maybe, if you don’t have time to switch to full auto a little more slowly, then you may already be endanger of being shot long after whne you probably could have switched to full auto. But idk.
This helps the prices not explode even more. the 90 degree throw is a little long and its easy to not flick it all the way up
@@doitf3525Yeah it's a trash. Seriously stop buing our stash! You've got enough of guns. Buy the fkn AK. The slow rate of fire is so awesome. You cant have full auto anyway. The AK tolerances make it reliable in dirt they say.
In case you already own one, if your fingers are weak you need to eat something or warm them up. The click lets you know. It's too loud to my taste if you do it fast. It's a perfect safety switch for a deadly weapon. It's safe, rigid and intuitive. Forward = die.
Dont be a potato like him going with the index finger all the way back. Once you get used to it it's a benchmark for all safety switches. You can do it with a thumb without taking the index finger off the trigger. Or with index finger knuckle. It's more comfortable with gloves. And being on the right side it doesnt rub your back all day. You'd need to carry it all day as a soldier to appreciate this detail.
6:00 that fire selector position is on purpose. Turn in to you is Single (we call it army that one is for you ) turn in forward is full auto ( we call it, whole mag to enemy) and turn down to "safe" so its blocking your "trigger" finger so in the night you can still feel that your rifle is "safe" Reason why there is no sellector on left side, is that you cant accidentaly switch rifle when holding side to your body, also everbody around you can see in what state is your rifle, if its safe or not. Btw, that rifle is able to shoot under water. There are wery old rumors, that in 60th Russiands made testing Vz.58 commpare to AK and Vz.58 won.
I heard the same from Czech friends about the fire selector: all for the enemy, nothing for the ground, and the last one for the soldier (never surrender).
5:25
The Pure darkness coming out of those words actually maked me feel TRUE FEAR, and that was so intense that i actually subscribed.
me too :D
I have one. Being left handed, it's perfect for me. The biggest downside I see is that the front hand guard gets extremely hot fairly quickly. Other than that I absolutely love it
Unfortunately I was taught to shoot rifle left handed at a young age. And although I shoot handguns with left or right, I only feel comfortable shooting rifes left handed.
Which is one of the reasons I chose the VZ-58. The selector is on the right and it ejects straight out the top.
And the main bonus is that since none of the parts are interchangable with the AK variants, it can be purchased in states that ban AKs.
Yeah, the AKs were comonly equiped with a bigass muzzle brake, had the gas tuned to the finest level and you were able to make full auto groups at 200 m. I mean, the full auto was always meant to be used mostly at close ranges. Btw, the bayonet is attached from the rear, so you don't have to put ur hand in front of the muzzle accidentally, which, i think, a soviet comrad woult be capable of. Besides, it is as solid as every other attachment.
I personally think that they are both equally good rifles, but the VZs are usually better in terms of manufacture.
Hi Brandon. I am Czech, and when I was in the military service 25 years ago, we had the Sa.58 assault rifle as our main long weapon. It was a very good gun, and easy to repair and maintain it. Yes ! The old caliber is nonsense, but there were other calibers. For example, the Sa.58 (AP-67) was chambered in 7.62×51mm, and then the last version of the Sa.58 (AP-70/Z70) in 5.56×45 mm NATO 🙂
Czechoslovakia also had the VZ52 rifle (a SKS esque rifle), both that and the VZ58 were originally planned for the indigenous 7.62x45mm round, but the Soviets said no, so they had to redesign them for the 7.62x39mm.
The VZ 58 is like the face of Canada guns. I think its gorgeous but it looks super janky when modernized.
Never fired one before though so...
We can't even have them now.
They're great shooters.
@@pepepepert **resists urge to rant**
Banned in 2020. You're speaking of a brief and bygone era. All semi-automatic rifles/carbines have been banned in Canada. Now they're trying to ban handguns.
I think modernised Vz-58s look pretty neat tbh
Higher cyclic rate... but with no comp or brake, common Brando. Great video as always 👍
Ps I own several vz58s including the 7" flamethrower.
of course vz.58 is much better than AK. I'm slovakian, born in czechoslovakia, own vz.58 but fired AK many times and can just tell you that quality, accuracy, overall craftmanship - these are simply uncomparable.. we in czechoslovakia know how to produce quality arms, while russians don't..very simple.. :)
This allows you to read the Sa vz machine. 58 is a successful model of small arms and a good competitor of the Soviet Kalashnikovs, as an alternative to which it was created. Nevertheless, the competition turned out to be very conditional, as clearly indicated by the number of weapons produced.
@@васякука-г1ж58 is a superior weapon. Made for self-defense. AK was produced, licensed in many places, partly to control others production. Did Russians compete with vz.58 ? I guess they did, because you say so and your argumentation is about numbers. As if, USSR would adopt a weapon not designed in USSR. Your uslovnaja competition looks like serious cope. Murricans are the same, murrican would praise his own excrement as smelling great.
the ak is way better bro
To be honest I'm glad that despite the pop-shots that brandon has made at the Vz-58 in the past, he can at least still appreciate that its no an AK, its a rifle that shoots the same cartridge and has its own pro's and con's.
seems more sks meets ak i like the fact you can reload with stripper clips since it couldn't utilize the ak mags
its definetly the final form bubba sks
as do all rifles
That giant brake on the ak definitely didnt hurt staying on target lol compared to basically nothing on the vz58
vz58 is final form bubba sks
This was the "Canadian AK" until Dear Leader decided they were too scary. F to our rapidly diminishing firearms.
Edit: to be clear, we had the semi-auto version. No fun allowed in Canada, just less fun allowed nowadays. RIP.
Buy why? I mean technically they can but do you even need an full auto rifle? Semi is more accurate anyways.
He's talking about the semiauto one that was available to regular people.
@@wealthybone2990 Fully automatic weapons are very useful for fighting. Short bursts of fully automatic fire greatly increase hit probability in a firefight. Standard infantry rifles have fully automatic capabilities both because of this and the fact that it allows any one man with a rifle to perform the role of squad automatic gunner and provide suppressing fire to support his or her squadmates.
@@andreivaldez2929 yeah I should've clarified. We don't get any full auto toys here.
@@wealthybone2990 They arent allowed full auto in the first place, he's talking about the fact that Trudeau banned ALL assault rifle platforms, semi or full. Pretty sure he's also going after the semi auto sporting rifles too.