Yes, she did. I don't understand why she would do that in the first place. Hopefully nobody uses this video as a reference on how to true your wheel ...
You got to give yourself some super credit for figuring out the problem and using those straps to measure the distance from the rim to the fork to check if its straight. that's a really smart road side idea. I see this whole video as a great learning success. bravo.
Yes, if your bike is in good condition with a straight frame and wheels and no play in the headset, the oscillations are indeed usually caused by overloading or uneven weight distribution of luggage. Limiting the weight of your luggage, keeping it low to the ground, as centered and as balanced (left/right) as possible are the ways to prevent this. The brand Cane Creek has a special upper headset bearing intended to prevent oscillations, the Viscoset.
Hey Cheerio, you are awesome, showing courage, patience and perseverance. The strap-based wheel cantering setup was pure genius :) Good insight on how painful and time consuming mechanical problems can be! Hey, life on a bike.
Truing wheels is such a pain. I did the exact same thing as you, except I actually broke a spoke. Thanks for sharing the problems of bike life. I really enjoy your videos!
@@giantcheerio always lubricate all the spoke nipples before truing. They tension more smoothly which let's you get the wheel straighter. And you don't break them. Also flick each spoke with your finger and tune it like a guitar. Every other spoke will have a certain desired pitch. A very high or very low sound means wrong tension. Also, understand when you use the brakes, the braking force alters tension in the spokes, so that can cause oscillations . This is true for disc brakes vs rim brakes. Rim brakes are safer for wheel tension problems.
Lovely video as always. When you tightened the spokes near the beginning it looks like you were actually loosening them. Think about shortening a spoke to make it tighter.
7:08 did you mean front rack? putting weight in front of your axle is always going to make your ride less stable. If you think about e-scooters which are almost impossible to drive one handed, its because all the weight is pushin down straight onto the axle. On your bike you can take your hands of and it wants go straight because your weight is pushing down behind the axle due to the angled headtube. The more weight you put in front of your axle the more unstable the steering is going to get and inbalances in your rim are going to show, which I think is the source of your problems. So mounting the rack further back is a very good idea and I'd recommend getting your rim trued and spoke tension checked asap you may also encounter the woble getting worse at certain speeds because of resonance frequency edit: well, well the urge of mensplaining made me comment before watching till the end once again really enjoy your videos, keep it up!
I hate that crazy troubleshooting loop, it goes like that some times, trouble frustrates you but that what makes you grow and be stronger! I love your attitude, safe travels, cheerio!
Not going insane in this situation and keep doing everything calm and steady is such difficult thing to do! My bike would have had its first flight down the next bridge and I would sit next to the road waiting for a bus home.. :D
You remember me when I was kid, I had such problems with my bikes, I loved riding or driving something , but I learned many things to fix them by my self . I admire you , good job !
I had a similar thing on my bike. I think problem is that the bike frame isn’t stiff enough for the load you’ve put on it. With a heavy load front and back the bike wants to twist the frame. It’s like if you hold a glove in your hand and twist it. The frame acts in the same way. If you move the handlebars left and right quickly and you feel the frame wanting to twist it will confirm that the weight is too much. If you can put more heavy stuff on the back and reduce the load on the front forks it should stop the wobbles. Good luck and thanks for the videos. They’re brilliant.
Don't feel bad, that's how you learn. Every time I try to work on my bike, especially the rear derailer, I mess it up and end up taking it to the bike shop but I always learn from it. They like selling me tools and parts because they know it will mean more work for them when I mess it up. It's a running joke between us.
Hello! I had the same problem with my bike! When I let go of one or both hands, he began to vibrate and stagger in the same way. But, the most interesting thing is that sometimes this did not happen!)) For a long time I did not understand what the problem was, but later it turned out that everything was in a flask of water! I had it inside the frame. Depending on the amount of water in it, it could swing inside the flask and resonate with the bike, this led to a problem) Pay attention, maybe you have the same) Have a nice trip!))
i just watched all the videos is your channel haha, i love the way you travel!! I started not so long doing some bike trips, now I can´t stop. I want to explore everywhere! but the thought of dismanteling my whole bike and putting it together again makes me so nervous, I´m scared of not being able to put it together right again. then also i don´t get how to go the airport with a huge box and whether I will find a place to get a new box for the return. And how do you carry all the camping gear. Sorry for so many questions, my mind races. It would be so cool if you made a video explaining us how you did everythnig. it´s inspiring the way you try to always keep calm and take obstacles that come along as opportunities to learn
It was kind of scary to put the bike parts in a box but in the end you just need enough time and patience to put it back together! I put my camping equipment inside the bike box and had another 10 kg hand luggage. It is normal to get stressed when trying new things. Give it a try and go for it:)
An interesting parallel between bicycles and drums is truing wheels and tuning drums. A wheel is true when the tension on all the spokes is theoretically equal, and a drum is tuned perfectly when all the bolts or ropes are pulling on the rim equally on all the sides. Truing a wheel also has this left side/right side component. Half of the spokes pull the rim to the left side of the axle, and the other half to the right. Most people check the tension only by tugging on the spokes to see whether some of them are very loose, but a more detailed way of determining whether to tighten or loosen spokes is by tapping on them with the key. The looser the spoke, the lower the pitch of the tone it makes. Sometimes pulling the rim to the right requires loosening the left-hand-side spoke, and not necessarily tightening the right-hand-side ones. How do you know? Tap the spokes and get them to sound the same :) Just a bit of weirdly transferred understanding from drums to the bike. BTW, your use of straps to simultaneously display deviation on both sides is ingenious!!!
I've had exactly this kind of oscillation happen with a similar front rack luggage arrangement. For me it happened when riding at speed (downhill) into a crosswind. Didn't appear to be related to front/rear weight distribution. Lowering the front bags helped a bit and riding just a bit slower during those wind conditions. Great roadside maintenance in your video though 👍
9:09 genau bei dem Laden war ich im Mai auch mein Leihrad wegbringen 🙂Du bist immer so fröhlich und positiv. Ich versuche auch immer zuerst alles selbst zu machen, aber am Ende ist es auch gut, dass es Leute gibt, die das beruflich machen und sich besser auskennen als ich. Die Räder hab ich noch nicht selbst zentriert. Gute Fahrt noch!
Hi, I see you always are, look, as a very positive person. To have problems with a bike while a long journey is normal but to face those problems in a positive and calm way is your better goal. Thanks for your videos. Go go go, come on!!!! Take care, always.
Great video, and one we can all learn from. I appreciate that you take us through the lows as well as the highs of bike touring. Hope the bike is nicely fixed now!
I'm getting ready to ride rude from Reno to Vegas or Reno to Salt Lake City, but it'll be my first bikepacking trip, but I have the gear, & rode 5k miles last year on a bike, so know I physically, as well as mentally can do it, I just don't want to do it alone the first time, I'd rather have the chance to learned from someone who's done it already. Either way I'm still going through with it, it's hard enough to not make people think you went nuts doing something like this, it's a whole other to try to convince someone else who doesn't understand its outta our hands, OUR SOULS are making us do these journeys, I'll just be a willing participant! 😂
Looks like you did a pretty good job on true-ing the wheel... don't be modest, you're good at this! The resonance could be any number of things, the only advice I have is: if it starts wobbling scarily, sometimes you can stop the resonance by squeezing the top tube between your thighs. La Gomera is a cool place, I have been there a couple of times. It was long ago but there used to be hippy caves at Playa Chinguarime, a few bays east of Playa Santiago. You have to wade a bit to get there though... maybe not possible with the bike. Playa del Medio is accessible.
Thx for sharing. Yes you said it: The "weight distribution" is very important indeed. Rule of thumb is 45% of the weight on the rear rack and the rest on the front. But, for better balance, left and right side have to be of equal weight load.
The condition is called hopf bifurcation. And as you figured out it is weight distribution related. I don’t know a lot about it I’ve just heard Josh Porter from The Marginal Gains podcast talk about it. Good luck and love the videos!
Wow! I study mathematics and recently learned about Hopf bifurcations in one of my courses. Always nice to see something so abstract finding its application in the real world. Thanks for the eye opener!
Wow, thats amazing! You took care of the wobble! Even the repairs are still part of your life adventures and journey! I enjouy your vids, makes me wa t to go on bike trip too!
Hi Laura, I am privilege to see your bike adventures, wishing you your best experience on the road on days to come, I have watched all your videos, your life on the road is becoming like I am part of the travel... very entertaining and mixed with rarest adventures...
Before watching all of this i bet it about the weight placement … one of the reasons i perfer bikepacking setup than tradition pannier and racks setups is i really dont have to worried about weight placement as long as i got heavy stuff in frame bag all good …
Hey!! I might have an idea. I often have this problem to. I'm quite sure it's a deformation : if you initiate a movement, the pieces that can be deformed would act like a spring (and it's even more accurate when you put weight on it). So it can be anything (wrack, bottle...) and I don't have a nice solution. You can start by load it less, get a steel wrack (wich won't moove as much as an aluminium one) and avoid plastic on the frame (and maybe even water because it have a lot of inertia) So try to put only very solid stuff on the frame, and good luck and have an amazing trip!!!
When you want to tighten the spokes you have to turn them counterclockwise. It looked like you turned them clockwise which lowers the tension. I know its counter intuitive. Edit: Crap reading the comments now I feel bad pointing this out his way. First of all props to you trying to fix your problem! I love that mentality. Second, the reason I know this is because I've done this wrong myself dont feel bad about it.
@@sharkmentality9717 From the inside of the rim like in this case its counterclockwise, from the outside of the rim its clockwise. But the nipple is going in the same direction in both cases. A visual explanation th-cam.com/video/NXIqgxbrb14/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for your comment! I turned them the wrong way and realized it a day later. I am sure that next time I won't remember which way to turn them and I'll probably do the same mistake once more :D it's about trial, error and success
The wobbles have to do with weight distribution. The fact that it starts when you let go of the handlebar means that there is not enough weight in the front. The front end becomes light and starts wobbling. Stiffness of the frame, luggage overweight and play around the head tube may increase the phenomenon.
I guess by now enough people have told you that you were turning the spoke nipples the wrong way so I won't say any more about that. If the bike doesn't shimmy unloaded then it's most likely the way the load is put on. Keeping the heavier stuff closer to center may help. When it's further out it may magnify small oscillations. Carrying the weight up high ie. in a backpack has been known to do it. Some people find that a roller bearing headset helps dampen out shimmy. Kind of a spendy thing to try when you're on the road though. That's a good looking new bike! Worth sorting out.
Check the Rear wheel trueness, wheel alignment, uneven tire wear and test ride without luggage. Unfortunately the wobble is often a combination of minor adjustments. I love your video, travel and life style philosophy.
Sorry to see you had problems, these things come along to test us all. Good luck as you continue on your journey(s). I luv your videos. Keep it going 🙂
Too much weight over the front tire. I had this problem last year, bikepacking. It was fine when I was in the saddle, but when I was out of the saddle and putting more of my weight (adding to the weight that was already over the front tire), the fron would wobble like that. You're not an idiot! It's good experience. At some point, you'll do it again a bit better.
I have some front wheel wobble (only wobbles when I take both hands off the handlebars) and noticed that the rim spins "true" but the tire is not true on the rim; as in the bead doesn't seem to be perfectly seated all the way around.
Just normal stuff : I adjust the bolt on the rear wheel then the pedal starts making a tik sound. I adjust the pedal bearings then my knee starts to hurt... etc etc ... Only my 10year old 26' bicycle seems to work perfectly after millions of customizing hours -these riddles are part of the journey :)
Hi there! I just watched your latest vlog and as always, it was amazing! Your content is always so entertaining. I couldn't help but feel sorry for you when you were talking about your bike problems, but it's great to see that you still managed to enjoy yourself despite of this issues.That kind of positive attitude is truly inspiring.I can't wait to see your next video. Keep it up 🙂Take care 🙂
Lovely channel, I will have a bikepackkng adventure coming in a couple months and loving the advice on this channel. I was wondering, what bike are you using and which one did you use in your precious videos? Thanks for the answer, keep on riding safely!
Hey Paul! When I started my journey, I was traveling with a giant fast road comax 1 & then decided to continue cycling with a steel bike, so I got the 8bar Teufelsberg & I love it!
I like bikepacking too, so I should learn something about basic mechanic. Enjoy La Gomera. I was there and I camp in "Playa de Lepe"(Hermigua) It is a great place next to the sea.
It is your rear luggage getting unbalanced when you ride one-handed. Same thing happens to me if my rear is too heavy. Also, it happens if I pedal standing up, rather than sitting down.
In my experience it helps massively to have the weight as low as possible. when i put only weight on top of my rear rack (above the wheel) my bike starts to vibrate immediately whereas i put weight in panniers next to the back wheel it is dead stable
I know if you have to much weight on the front and going a little to fast it will shake the whole bike I learned this a long time ago. I also think if you want to take a lot of stuff with you then you should look into a cargo bike I did and I put on very low gearing it work out fine.
Hola Lara. I had same problems as you have in your trips. You have few "problems" with your bike front. 1. First: check how many spokes do you have on your wheels. For type of no problems I would advise rear wheel to have 36H or 40H spokes. Front wheel must have 36H, not 32H spokes. With 32H spokes your wheel is to weak for the bags. 2. Next thing: It really doesn't much matter in what order you put bags on the front. Try do not put over 15-20kg on front. 3. Save your hand wrists and your back one. Use suspension front fork. Ride little bit more upright. Replace steering wheel with cheap "butterfly" or specialist angled flat bar . Yes all of this will make your bicycle heavier by 1-2kg. But you won't have such breakdowns. I haven't had this type of problems after I did all above for 20 000+ km and 10+ years. Unless your average speed is 25+ km/h you don't need lean forward posture. If you have more questions, write to me in private message
I think the bike is getting excited because it's starting a new holiday. It'll wear off after a week or so. :) (I do have some more sensible ideas. :))
I agree with the comment further down about the frame stiffness not being strong enough and oscillating due to the weight. Prob too much weight on the bike or weight distribution. I have the same thing happen with my scooter when slowing down... If I take my hand off the handlebars it wobbles. Try moving weight around the bike.... Towards the back maybe. No idea. Have fun and dont crash please. 🇬🇧
Hello Cheerio! I have a question! I am planning to cycle down through France soon on my own. The only problem I can think of is that when I go into a supermarket for food; my bike and all the equipment wont be secure. Yes, I will take a lock but these days the thieves have cordless grinders. Do you only use small rural shops where you can keep an eye on the bike, stock up after securing the bike at a campsite or just eat in cafes? My apologies if you have explained this issue at some point and I missed it. Cheers from England
Whenever it's possible I park my bike inside the store but if I can't, I lock it outside. There are places where I wouldn't leave my bike unattended but most of the places are fine& also good luck with quickly "stealing the bike". It's heavy af;D
Is it a Pelago rack? I had the same one. It was very wobbly like yours. There are stainless steel lowrider legs that you can buy for that rack. They are a lot more stable.
yes its a Pelago commuter steel rack. But the issue was not about the rack, it was the weight distribution. Lowered all the bags et voila: they see me rolling
It is definitely not the spokes. It is the weight on the front wheel. If you move some weight from the front to the back this wobble should go away. The position of the weight on the front also makes a difference. Putting the heavier items lower in front should also help. If you have heavy items on top of the front rack it will probably be worse.
There was too much weight on the rear wheel and the weight on the front wheel wasn't balanced. As you said, I needed to change the position of the weight on the fork. Now they see me rolling !
@@giantcheerio You are a legend to be doing these things by yourself. I have done a lot of bike tours, but I have never had the courage to go by myself, and I am a man.
i have hand build wheels with extra strong spokes and extreme strong rims they are almost indestructible, but not cheap and very very havy, i have not been near mountains with those wheels yet but supose i will notice the extra weight, what is worse, extra weight or wheel problems?
Hi Giant Cheerio just found you it's amazing wot ur doing I love bike packing too been dreaming of cycling round Portugal How u pronounce 'spot' gets me hon xXx ❤
Hellooooo Giant Cherioooo. I have a notion that your little problem there is what they call Speed Wobbles or Shimmy. It's not really vibrations; but more like osciliations. Even if it is called Speed Wobbles; it can happen even a low speeds like 15km/h, but it can get worse when you increase speed. If it is speed wobbles ; it is a very common thing. I expericed it a few times too. It is basically caused by having things of a certain weight, placed in certain places on the bike. In my opinion it happens when the weight in all panniers is distributed perfectly even around the bike. There is a scientific explenation to it but it is quite complicated for me to explain here. I'm going to make a suggestion; I hope I am not being too presumptuous...... Try moving things around the bike to make the bike a bit unbalanced ; a few kilos heavier on one side; that will "load the flex in the frame". For example; put enough things in the bags on the left of the bike so that the bags on the left weigh 10kg. then put things on the bags of the right side so that the bags weigh 7kg. That should fix the problem. Somtimes I have ridden with a Heavy Rear Left and Heavy Front Right; and Light Rear Right and Light Front Left. That definetly fixes my problem on my Heavy Touring Bike. Hope it helps ...... I have a curiosity question that is totally irrelevant to the subject of Speed Wobbles. I am curious because I really like your Segmented Fork. What is the brand of your bike frameset? Cheers Have fun riding .....
Thanks! I moved all my things around and now I found a way of attaching my stuff and the handlebar doesn't shake anymore! Yeeeeeih! My bike is an 8bar teufelsberg!
I think what you were experiencing is what in physics is called resonance. The vibration imposed on your bike at certain speeds were causing it to oscillate at its natural frequency. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance
Error could have been a badly fixed wheel, with axle not flush in the frame because of dirt or to lose. Didn't see you check this first. When you recently took it apart, should be the first thing to check before readjusting the spokes. Can easily be overseen and can lead to having to readjust your spokes all over again. Speaking from experience...
Out of true wheels don't make the bike wobble like that. I have never ridden with front panniers but it looks like you either overloaded the front or loaded it unevenly. Hope you find a solution 🤞
Yeah sorry to say you loosened the spokes, Not tighten them
Also using the valve is a good reference point
Yes, she did. I don't understand why she would do that in the first place. Hopefully nobody uses this video as a reference on how to true your wheel ...
She did it because female logic clockwise to tighten but that applies from inside rim from above @@Garfie1d73
You got to give yourself some super credit for figuring out the problem and using those straps to measure the distance from the rim to the fork to check if its straight. that's a really smart road side idea. I see this whole video as a great learning success. bravo.
Yes, if your bike is in good condition with a straight frame and wheels and no play in the headset, the oscillations are indeed usually caused by overloading or uneven weight distribution of luggage. Limiting the weight of your luggage, keeping it low to the ground, as centered and as balanced (left/right) as possible are the ways to prevent this. The brand Cane Creek has a special upper headset bearing intended to prevent oscillations, the Viscoset.
Hey Cheerio, you are awesome, showing courage, patience and perseverance. The strap-based wheel cantering setup was pure genius :) Good insight on how painful and time consuming mechanical problems can be! Hey, life on a bike.
Truing wheels is such a pain. I did the exact same thing as you, except I actually broke a spoke. Thanks for sharing the problems of bike life. I really enjoy your videos!
Ooh shit! Glad I didn't break one :D
@@giantcheerio always lubricate all the spoke nipples before truing. They tension more smoothly which let's you get the wheel straighter. And you don't break them. Also flick each spoke with your finger and tune it like a guitar. Every other spoke will have a certain desired pitch. A very high or very low sound means wrong tension.
Also, understand when you use the brakes, the braking force alters tension in the spokes, so that can cause oscillations . This is true for disc brakes vs rim brakes. Rim brakes are safer for wheel tension problems.
Lovely video as always. When you tightened the spokes near the beginning it looks like you were actually loosening them. Think about shortening a spoke to make it tighter.
Yes I did loosen them . Learning by doing 😃
Great troubleshooting! An adventure within an adventure! A wheel that is true is a dream; if not, an Alptraum!
congrats on the awesome rim centering guide you made from those plastic straps. Genius!
7:08 did you mean front rack? putting weight in front of your axle is always going to make your ride less stable. If you think about e-scooters which are almost impossible to drive one handed, its because all the weight is pushin down straight onto the axle. On your bike you can take your hands of and it wants go straight because your weight is pushing down behind the axle due to the angled headtube. The more weight you put in front of your axle the more unstable the steering is going to get and inbalances in your rim are going to show, which I think is the source of your problems. So mounting the rack further back is a very good idea and I'd recommend getting your rim trued and spoke tension checked asap
you may also encounter the woble getting worse at certain speeds because of resonance frequency
edit: well, well the urge of mensplaining made me comment before watching till the end once again
really enjoy your videos, keep it up!
I hate that crazy troubleshooting loop, it goes like that some times, trouble frustrates you but that what makes you grow and be stronger! I love your attitude, safe travels, cheerio!
This is why I watch your videos because it is very helpful thank you
Not going insane in this situation and keep doing everything calm and steady is such difficult thing to do! My bike would have had its first flight down the next bridge and I would sit next to the road waiting for a bus home.. :D
Everybody can learn staying calm. You can see me swearing, shouting and almost freaking out completely in one of my portugal videos from last year😅😅
You remember me when I was kid, I had such problems with my bikes, I loved riding or driving something , but I learned many things to fix them by my self . I admire you , good job !
I had a similar thing on my bike. I think problem is that the bike frame isn’t stiff enough for the load you’ve put on it. With a heavy load front and back the bike wants to twist the frame. It’s like if you hold a glove in your hand and twist it. The frame acts in the same way. If you move the handlebars left and right quickly and you feel the frame wanting to twist it will confirm that the weight is too much. If you can put more heavy stuff on the back and reduce the load on the front forks it should stop the wobbles. Good luck and thanks for the videos. They’re brilliant.
Don't feel bad, that's how you learn. Every time I try to work on my bike, especially the rear derailer, I mess it up and end up taking it to the bike shop but I always learn from it. They like selling me tools and parts because they know it will mean more work for them when I mess it up. It's a running joke between us.
Hello! I had the same problem with my bike! When I let go of one or both hands, he began to vibrate and stagger in the same way. But, the most interesting thing is that sometimes this did not happen!)) For a long time I did not understand what the problem was, but later it turned out that everything was in a flask of water! I had it inside the frame. Depending on the amount of water in it, it could swing inside the flask and resonate with the bike, this led to a problem) Pay attention, maybe you have the same) Have a nice trip!))
i just watched all the videos is your channel haha, i love the way you travel!! I started not so long doing some bike trips, now I can´t stop. I want to explore everywhere! but the thought of dismanteling my whole bike and putting it together again makes me so nervous, I´m scared of not being able to put it together right again. then also i don´t get how to go the airport with a huge box and whether I will find a place to get a new box for the return. And how do you carry all the camping gear. Sorry for so many questions, my mind races. It would be so cool if you made a video explaining us how you did everythnig. it´s inspiring the way you try to always keep calm and take obstacles that come along as opportunities to learn
It was kind of scary to put the bike parts in a box but in the end you just need enough time and patience to put it back together! I put my camping equipment inside the bike box and had another 10 kg hand luggage. It is normal to get stressed when trying new things. Give it a try and go for it:)
AND ….. Great home made trouble shooting skills in the development there. So pat on the back. Well done.
An interesting parallel between bicycles and drums is truing wheels and tuning drums. A wheel is true when the tension on all the spokes is theoretically equal, and a drum is tuned perfectly when all the bolts or ropes are pulling on the rim equally on all the sides. Truing a wheel also has this left side/right side component. Half of the spokes pull the rim to the left side of the axle, and the other half to the right. Most people check the tension only by tugging on the spokes to see whether some of them are very loose, but a more detailed way of determining whether to tighten or loosen spokes is by tapping on them with the key. The looser the spoke, the lower the pitch of the tone it makes. Sometimes pulling the rim to the right requires loosening the left-hand-side spoke, and not necessarily tightening the right-hand-side ones. How do you know? Tap the spokes and get them to sound the same :) Just a bit of weirdly transferred understanding from drums to the bike. BTW, your use of straps to simultaneously display deviation on both sides is ingenious!!!
Tighten the stem downward. Engage front brake and push back and forth to see if the steerer is loose.
I've had exactly this kind of oscillation happen with a similar front rack luggage arrangement. For me it happened when riding at speed (downhill) into a crosswind. Didn't appear to be related to front/rear weight distribution. Lowering the front bags helped a bit and riding just a bit slower during those wind conditions.
Great roadside maintenance in your video though 👍
9:09 genau bei dem Laden war ich im Mai auch mein Leihrad wegbringen 🙂Du bist immer so fröhlich und positiv.
Ich versuche auch immer zuerst alles selbst zu machen, aber am Ende ist es auch gut, dass es Leute gibt, die das beruflich machen und sich besser auskennen als ich. Die Räder hab ich noch nicht selbst zentriert.
Gute Fahrt noch!
I'm happy to hear you are doing good 👍
Hi,
I see you always are, look, as a very positive person. To have problems with a bike while a long journey is normal but to face those problems in a positive and calm way is your better goal. Thanks for your videos. Go go go, come on!!!! Take care, always.
Great video, and one we can all learn from. I appreciate that you take us through the lows as well as the highs of bike touring. Hope the bike is nicely fixed now!
I'm getting ready to ride rude from Reno to Vegas or Reno to Salt Lake City, but it'll be my first bikepacking trip, but I have the gear, & rode 5k miles last year on a bike, so know I physically, as well as mentally can do it, I just don't want to do it alone the first time, I'd rather have the chance to learned from someone who's done it already.
Either way I'm still going through with it, it's hard enough to not make people think you went nuts doing something like this, it's a whole other to try to convince someone else who doesn't understand its outta our hands, OUR SOULS are making us do these journeys, I'll just be a willing participant!
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Great job trouble shooting that wobble!
Looks like you did a pretty good job on true-ing the wheel... don't be modest, you're good at this! The resonance could be any number of things, the only advice I have is: if it starts wobbling scarily, sometimes you can stop the resonance by squeezing the top tube between your thighs. La Gomera is a cool place, I have been there a couple of times. It was long ago but there used to be hippy caves at Playa Chinguarime, a few bays east of Playa Santiago. You have to wade a bit to get there though... maybe not possible with the bike. Playa del Medio is accessible.
Sweet place La Gomera, been there in 2005...hope still preserved from capitalist greed
Thx for sharing. Yes you said it: The "weight distribution" is very important indeed. Rule of thumb is 45% of the weight on the rear rack and the rest on the front. But, for better balance, left and right side have to be of equal weight load.
Ich fühle das total mit dem Rad, ich würde wahnsinnig werden 😬👍🏻
The condition is called hopf bifurcation. And as you figured out it is weight distribution related. I don’t know a lot about it I’ve just heard Josh Porter from The Marginal Gains podcast talk about it. Good luck and love the videos!
Wow! I study mathematics and recently learned about Hopf bifurcations in one of my courses. Always nice to see something so abstract finding its application in the real world. Thanks for the eye opener!
@San Diego Spiderman Cycling It’s that double entendres!😂
Wow, thats amazing! You took care of the wobble! Even the repairs are still part of your life adventures and journey! I enjouy your vids, makes me wa t to go on bike trip too!
Hi Laura, I am privilege to see your bike adventures, wishing you your best experience on the road on days to come, I have watched all your videos, your life on the road is becoming like I am part of the travel... very entertaining and mixed with rarest adventures...
Thanks🙏🙏
Another fab video! Showing us the nuts and bolts of bikepacking 😂❤
You’re resourceful and certainly not "idiot"
Before watching all of this i bet it about the weight placement … one of the reasons i perfer bikepacking setup than tradition pannier and racks setups is i really dont have to worried about weight placement as long as i got heavy stuff in frame bag all good …
As others have already said, you actually loosened the spokes.
Did you check the headset tightness?
Hey!! I might have an idea. I often have this problem to. I'm quite sure it's a deformation : if you initiate a movement, the pieces that can be deformed would act like a spring (and it's even more accurate when you put weight on it). So it can be anything (wrack, bottle...) and I don't have a nice solution. You can start by load it less, get a steel wrack (wich won't moove as much as an aluminium one) and avoid plastic on the frame (and maybe even water because it have a lot of inertia)
So try to put only very solid stuff on the frame, and good luck and have an amazing trip!!!
When you want to tighten the spokes you have to turn them counterclockwise. It looked like you turned them clockwise which lowers the tension. I know its counter intuitive. Edit: Crap reading the comments now I feel bad pointing this out his way. First of all props to you trying to fix your problem! I love that mentality. Second, the reason I know this is because I've done this wrong myself dont feel bad about it.
Counterclockwise when you look from the hub to the rim (inside to outside)
@@sharkmentality9717 From the inside of the rim like in this case its counterclockwise, from the outside of the rim its clockwise. But the nipple is going in the same direction in both cases. A visual explanation th-cam.com/video/NXIqgxbrb14/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for your comment! I turned them the wrong way and realized it a day later. I am sure that next time I won't remember which way to turn them and I'll probably do the same mistake once more :D it's about trial, error and success
The wobbles have to do with weight distribution. The fact that it starts when you let go of the handlebar means that there is not enough weight in the front. The front end becomes light and starts wobbling. Stiffness of the frame, luggage overweight and play around the head tube may increase the phenomenon.
I guess by now enough people have told you that you were turning the spoke nipples the wrong way so I won't say any more about that. If the bike doesn't shimmy unloaded then it's most likely the way the load is put on. Keeping the heavier stuff closer to center may help. When it's further out it may magnify small oscillations. Carrying the weight up high ie. in a backpack has been known to do it. Some people find that a roller bearing headset helps dampen out shimmy. Kind of a spendy thing to try when you're on the road though. That's a good looking new bike! Worth sorting out.
Check the Rear wheel trueness, wheel alignment, uneven tire wear and test ride without luggage. Unfortunately the wobble is often a combination of minor adjustments. I love your video, travel and life style philosophy.
looks for great fun !
Sorry to see you had problems, these things come along to test us all. Good luck as you continue on your journey(s). I luv your videos. Keep it going 🙂
Awesome! well done
Have a safe ride... you are amazing 👏👏👏💪💪💪
Too much weight over the front tire. I had this problem last year, bikepacking. It was fine when I was in the saddle, but when I was out of the saddle and putting more of my weight (adding to the weight that was already over the front tire), the fron would wobble like that.
You're not an idiot! It's good experience. At some point, you'll do it again a bit better.
When you're tightening spokes think in units of 90 degree increments. An old spoke-jobber taught me that.
I have some front wheel wobble (only wobbles when I take both hands off the handlebars) and noticed that the rim spins "true" but the tire is not true on the rim; as in the bead doesn't seem to be perfectly seated all the way around.
Really liked the content. I was searching for channel like this. Love from Omar/Pakistan.
No German swearing lol... kidding. Amazing work, love your videos.
Just normal stuff : I adjust the bolt on the rear wheel then the pedal starts making a tik sound. I adjust the pedal bearings then my knee starts to hurt... etc etc ... Only my 10year old 26' bicycle seems to work perfectly after millions of customizing hours -these riddles are part of the journey :)
Hi there! I just watched your latest vlog and as always, it was amazing! Your content is always so entertaining.
I couldn't help but feel sorry for you when you were talking about your bike problems, but it's great to see that you still managed to enjoy yourself despite of this issues.That kind of positive attitude is truly inspiring.I can't wait to see your next video.
Keep it up 🙂Take care 🙂
Lovely channel, I will have a bikepackkng adventure coming in a couple months and loving the advice on this channel.
I was wondering, what bike are you using and which one did you use in your precious videos?
Thanks for the answer, keep on riding safely!
Hey Paul!
When I started my journey, I was traveling with a giant fast road comax 1 & then decided to continue cycling with a steel bike, so I got the 8bar Teufelsberg & I love it!
try taking all your bags off and seeing how it goes and then add one at a time to see what the issue is.
I like bikepacking too, so I should learn something about basic mechanic. Enjoy La Gomera. I was there and I camp in "Playa de Lepe"(Hermigua) It is a great place next to the sea.
It is your rear luggage getting unbalanced when you ride one-handed. Same thing happens to me if my rear is too heavy. Also, it happens if I pedal standing up, rather than sitting down.
Congratulations on your trips and on growing as a person! Have you considered using SPDs?
In my experience it helps massively to have the weight as low as possible. when i put only weight on top of my rear rack (above the wheel) my bike starts to vibrate immediately whereas i put weight in panniers next to the back wheel it is dead stable
Me gustan mucho sus videos muy buen contenido 😊
I know if you have to much weight on the front and going a little to fast it will shake the whole bike I learned this a long time ago. I also think if you want to take a lot of stuff with you then you should look into a cargo bike I did and I put on very low gearing it work out fine.
Happy journey Love From India
Hola Lara. I had same problems as you have in your trips. You have few "problems" with your bike front. 1. First: check how many spokes do you have on your wheels. For type of no problems I would advise rear wheel to have 36H or 40H spokes. Front wheel must have 36H, not 32H spokes. With 32H spokes your wheel is to weak for the bags. 2. Next thing: It really doesn't much matter in what order you put bags on the front. Try do not put over 15-20kg on front. 3. Save your hand wrists and your back one. Use suspension front fork. Ride little bit more upright. Replace steering wheel with cheap "butterfly" or specialist angled flat bar . Yes all of this will make your bicycle heavier by 1-2kg. But you won't have such breakdowns. I haven't had this type of problems after I did all above for 20 000+ km and 10+ years. Unless your average speed is 25+ km/h you don't need lean forward posture. If you have more questions, write to me in private message
By the way, did you stop at that sign on purpose (0.38) it certainly suits your dilema - its certainly 'Titsup' 🙂
ist das vibrierende Vorderrad hatte ich auf meiner Tour von Spanien nach Deutschland auch. bei mir war es auch ein ganz kleiner Mini Achter. Grüße
I suggest moving some weight forward. I had this problem on a motorcycle adventure and it fixed the wobble.
I think the bike is getting excited because it's starting a new holiday. It'll wear off after a week or so. :)
(I do have some more sensible ideas. :))
Bravo nena ...!!!!!!
I agree with the comment further down about the frame stiffness not being strong enough and oscillating due to the weight. Prob too much weight on the bike or weight distribution. I have the same thing happen with my scooter when slowing down... If I take my hand off the handlebars it wobbles. Try moving weight around the bike.... Towards the back maybe. No idea. Have fun and dont crash please. 🇬🇧
Your videos are always awesome
Awesome epik video 👍❤❤❤🤘
Truing a wheel can be difficult on the road, especially if you've never done it before, which is where I would be.
It took me ages but in the end I did a good job. Learning by doing:D
Hello Cheerio! I have a question!
I am planning to cycle down through France soon on my own. The only problem I can think of is that when I go into a supermarket for food; my bike and all the equipment wont be secure. Yes, I will take a lock but these days the thieves have cordless grinders.
Do you only use small rural shops where you can keep an eye on the bike, stock up after securing the bike at a campsite or just eat in cafes? My apologies if you have explained this issue at some point and I missed it.
Cheers from England
I can travel with you from UK SE and guard bike. I am going to travel this summer or autumn
Whenever it's possible I park my bike inside the store but if I can't, I lock it outside. There are places where I wouldn't leave my bike unattended but most of the places are fine& also good luck with quickly "stealing the bike". It's heavy af;D
Weight distribution for shure.keep the weight low ,go back to your original set up when it didn’t shake.
My love ❤️❤️❤️💯 keep going
Is it a Pelago rack? I had the same one. It was very wobbly like yours. There are stainless steel lowrider legs that you can buy for that rack. They are a lot more stable.
yes its a Pelago commuter steel rack. But the issue was not about the rack, it was the weight distribution. Lowered all the bags et voila: they see me rolling
Check front tire pressure and if the ahead set maybe loose
Would love to do some bike travels again but my cat won't be very pleased with the idea
Wheel wasn't true dang even I was wrong I was like the spocs first then I was more wight on one side aww man at you got it sorted out yay
I hade a similar problem, fixed it by never putting liquid bottles/bags in the front
Is it difficult for you to make all this videos? They are really nice and you should continue it forever :)
Hey, its the weight distribution between the two sides of the fork.
I had this issue strapping 1.5l of water on one side of my fork
Yes you're right! That kind of was my problem.
I bet you're glad to be back on the road Lara. Too much weight on the front of your bike would have been the cause of the vibration. Take care ❤️
I am enjoye your vlog with your smile 😊😊😊
Love you dear love from india
It is definitely not the spokes. It is the weight on the front wheel. If you move some weight from the front to the back this wobble should go away. The position of the weight on the front also makes a difference. Putting the heavier items lower in front should also help. If you have heavy items on top of the front rack it will probably be worse.
There was too much weight on the rear wheel and the weight on the front wheel wasn't balanced. As you said, I needed to change the position of the weight on the fork. Now they see me rolling !
@@giantcheerio You are a legend to be doing these things by yourself. I have done a lot of bike tours, but I have never had the courage to go by myself, and I am a man.
Head tube bearings r the first thing I'd check. $20 fix on a bicycle. Any slight play in your head tube and that's most likely your problem
Hi what's the new bike ? Can we get a look round it ?
Yes! Soonish!
i have hand build wheels with extra strong spokes and extreme strong rims they are almost indestructible, but not cheap and very very havy, i have not been near mountains with those wheels yet but supose i will notice the extra weight, what is worse, extra weight or wheel problems?
Hi Giant Cheerio just found you it's amazing wot ur doing I love bike packing too been dreaming of cycling round Portugal
How u pronounce 'spot' gets me hon xXx ❤
Overloaded rear rack has done tht to me before.. cheers
Hellooooo Giant Cherioooo.
I have a notion that your little problem there is what they call Speed Wobbles or Shimmy. It's not really vibrations; but more like osciliations. Even if it is called Speed Wobbles; it can happen even a low speeds like 15km/h, but it can get worse when you increase speed.
If it is speed wobbles ; it is a very common thing. I expericed it a few times too. It is basically caused by having things of a certain weight, placed in certain places on the bike. In my opinion it happens when the weight in all panniers is distributed perfectly even around the bike. There is a scientific explenation to it but it is quite complicated for me to explain here.
I'm going to make a suggestion; I hope I am not being too presumptuous......
Try moving things around the bike to make the bike a bit unbalanced ; a few kilos heavier on one side; that will "load the flex in the frame". For example; put enough things in the bags on the left of the bike so that the bags on the left weigh 10kg. then put things on the bags of the right side so that the bags weigh 7kg.
That should fix the problem.
Somtimes I have ridden with a Heavy Rear Left and Heavy Front Right; and Light Rear Right and Light Front Left. That definetly fixes my problem on my Heavy Touring Bike. Hope it helps ......
I have a curiosity question that is totally irrelevant to the subject of Speed Wobbles. I am curious because I really like your Segmented Fork.
What is the brand of your bike frameset?
Cheers Have fun riding .....
Thanks! I moved all my things around and now I found a way of attaching my stuff and the handlebar doesn't shake anymore! Yeeeeeih! My bike is an 8bar teufelsberg!
The wiggle is often caused by to much weight on the handlebars
It looked like you loosened the spokes?
Yes I did! Realized it the day after
For safety: am Anfang hast du die Speichennippel im Uhrzeigersinn gedreht. Damit gelöst.
Grüße aus Hannover
Haha ja richtig! Learning by doing und so:D
Tubless? Is your tire sealend clunkt in to a ball..out of balance?
I'm not riding tubeless:)
Nice bike
I think what you were experiencing is what in physics is called resonance. The vibration imposed on your bike at certain speeds were causing it to oscillate at its natural frequency. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance
Error could have been a badly fixed wheel, with axle not flush in the frame because of dirt or to lose. Didn't see you check this first. When you recently took it apart, should be the first thing to check before readjusting the spokes. Can easily be overseen and can lead to having to readjust your spokes all over again. Speaking from experience...
Out of true wheels don't make the bike wobble like that. I have never ridden with front panniers but it looks like you either overloaded the front or loaded it unevenly. Hope you find a solution 🤞
It's a weigh distribution/ total gross weight is too much for spokes. Remember: heavy weight / uneven load is the enemy of the spoke!
Fucked it up, paniced and fixed it! Like Nike said:' just do it'
:D