Will the UK Ever Return Gibraltar to Spain? (2002)
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- Returning the Rock (2002): It's 300 years since Gibraltar was handed over to the British, and controversy has erupted between Spain and Britain once again.
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The colony of just 6.5. sq km has been in British hands since the early 18th century. It was an important staging post for the Empire, and played a vital role in both world wars. On 14 occasions the rock has come under siege from Spain, but Britain has always clung on to its colony.
"Spain has never liked the fact that they lost Gibraltar and have consequently made difficulties" says the Governor of Gibraltar. Now the strategic importance has declined, and with Britain and Spain partners in the EU, the British government views it as an anachronism. "There is enormous room for Anglo Spanish relations that for many years have been conditioned by the claim on Gibraltar, " says Alberto Aza.
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As David Cameron said "They are British they wish to remain British. End of story"
The spanish Don't give a shit if they are are english or Mauritanians......they live in spanish stolen land
There are over one million english legal and ILLIGAL Inmigrants living in the Spanish KINGDOM and the Gibs can join them if so wish
Or they can Go to live in the DEVIL's ISLAND where there the people LOVE them so....
Pirates and smugglers are the same TRADE.
Until Spain gives up its colonial possessions in Morocco it has no right to lecture anyone on colonialism.
Exactly!
Zhr Katy Ceuta and Melilla are Spain since Roman times.
Miss Liberty Yeah, you can believe in that, but don't forget that the whole world considers Ceuta and Melilla as Moroccan territories under Spanish occupation! Go have a look at the history dude, because even this Gibraltar belongs to Arabs, and don't forget that ths actual name is Madiak Jabal TARIK, you know what TARIK means? or do you need me to explain to you who is this person in history? So stop talking bullshit! UK representatives were clear about their position: U leave Morocco, We leave Gibraltar!
Zhr Katy hahahahahahaha. Mons Calpe during Roman Times. Wrong AGAIN!.
You invaded Spain in 711 to sink into eight century of darkness so you have no right to claim anything.
Miss Liberty you can say whatever you want lol UK won't give you anything unless you leave Morocco. Basically, UK Queen is saying to you: Go fuck yourself, Gibraltar is british forever lol
If you are British why don't pay taxes like the real British?
***** hm, you seem hate filled? Are you okay?
I am an Indian and I am with the UK and Gibraltarians on this matter.
No one needs your opinion I am with Pakistan with Kashmiri dispute you fucking moron !
Gonzalo Fernández I am not with Pakistan on any matter. I'm fully an Indian.
EVILIMPERIALISM23 Neither do I want to know your opinion on Kashmir dispute. Anyways, I don't even have an opinion on that. I'm here to talk about the Anglo-Spanish dispute over Gibraltar and as a third party, I'm with the British on this matter.
Gonzalo Fernández I think my parents gave me that name. :P The reason why I have the Pakistan flag is because I support India-Pakistan friendship. And yes, I'm one of the 250 million Muslims that live in India. Anyways I'd be glad to discuss my views on Pakistan and everything else on another forum. I'm here to talk about the Gibraltar dispute.
Gonzalo Fernández Whether my country is a poor country or whether it has got no power in international matters is another story. I didn't say that I'm here to represent India or that India is with the UK over the Gibraltar dispute. I just said that I am with UK.
Neither did I say that India can do this or do that. I didn't bring the voice of Indians into the picture. I just said that I am person from another country, a third party and that I back the UK.
Nevertheless, it's quite obvious that if there's a dispute between two powerful people, even a person with no power can simply give an opinion as to who is right or wrong.
EVILIMPERIALISM23 I'm British and I'm with India in the Kashmir dispute. Also this is a video regarding the geo-politics of Gibraltar so don't attempt at changing the subject no-one gives a toss what you're opinions are so just watch the video, enjoy it and stop trying to offend people.
'Will the UK Return Gibraltar to Spain?' ...........NO! Besides, try asking the people in Gibraltar...Spain doesn't want to discuss that!
People in Gibraltar are usurpers who were placed there by the Brits to change its demography, just like you did in Northern Ireland and the Falklands.
@@soumyakanti17 the inconvenient truth is, that when Spain was hit by the financial crisis, Gibraltar became a lifeline for thousands of Spaniards, as the territory has almost no unemployment.
Besides, Spain engages in pot calling the kettle black when it comes to parts of landmasses that another country claims. Ceuta and Mellia are exclaves of Spain that Morocco claims but Spain refuses to let go
@@soumyakanti17 That is pure Bullshit, maybe you scooped it up in the ring?
European Union is about democracy and liberty. If the people of Gibraltar want to stay British that is their European human rights.
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Imagine France used its stronger military to take control of London for example, then took their people there and conducted a referendum, they would win because most people would be French, according to you then France would have a democratic-human-European right over London?
The EU is the most antidemocratic union in existence! Thank God we're leaving, the UK and Gibraltar wouldn't be British for much longer, they'd be part of United States of Europe
@@casrvsfv3172 The same could be said of many countries, Spain has territories in Morocco via this very same process. Gibraltar was taken 300 years ago, how far back do we go in righting the wrongs of military conquest? Should the Turks give back Istanbul and Anatolia to the Greeks? Or perhaps France should give New Caledonia back to the natives? It is hypocrisy to suggest this should be the rule for Britain but nobody else.
And what about the rights of the people of Catalonia?
I'm British. I love Spain. but you don't need to watch this video to know the answer.
(No).
We spaniards Don't give a shit if you are english or Tanzania......your personal answer is worthless not worth a bit of your english Pooh.
It's the crooks in London and the EU that Will undoubtedly Sort this out once and for all.
gibralterians want to stay British ...end of story ..
Go back to your crappy little island where it's cold
+irish rover I take it from your name your from southern Ireland been there 4 times I have family there ....UK had a democratic vote to leave just as Gibraltar voted to stay in UK .....Ireland would never leave the EU as they get a lot more out than they put in ....Britain gets a lot less out than it puts in .....as Putin said no nation wants to feed and support poorer ones....
i totally agree with you
+David Keith things the British get from the EU: free exports, free imports, investment from other EU countries, investment from non-EU companies in the EU market ( just so you know the bigger the market, the bigger the investment), easier access to other EU markets, easier access to immigrants (workforce), free movement around the most visited continent, international unconditional political support from other EU nations, unconditional military support from other EU nations...
Things the British lose to the EU: some political power, some money (compared to the size of the market that amount is ridiculous), control over their borders for other European immigrants.
What a bad balance, don't you think?, I clearly can see the reasoning that led you to leave.
All my family live there and will never live under Spanish rule. they love it being British.
+mark taylor If you love it so much go back to your beloved rainy United Kingdom.
Most Gibraltarians spend more time in Spain than they do in their rock. They only want to keep being British for commodity. They are not Spanish nor British, the Brits don't even know what to do with you...
@@christianbro2 can't you read he says his family live there not him
like northern Ireland?, fuck it with -- Love to be British -- Doesn't mean shit. Changing with the enviremont make love with your neighbours and become spbranish. Only then being proud of your British-heritage makes sense. Dorpse eikels, met je hekje en je grensje. laderrrrr
Gibraltar will never be taken by Spain.
dammm Ian ahahah you need Ginraltar desperately cause when ur country cant go to spain on holiday they will need the only place with sunshine they have hahahahah uk is dead out
Darkside Sider what about Bermuda? The Cayman Islands? Virgin Islands? Saint Helena? The U.K. has many beautiful overseas territories, most far nicer than your poverty stricken Spain.
@@davewalker9899 why you are so proud of this ?Colonization?
Never say never
@@hzbobby1226 Why not...
I'm british morocain ex british soldier I will fight and die for Gibraltar to stay British
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@King Hollywood Oh yes like you fought in Vietnam...and Afganistán....bunch of cowardly losers
Who only win on films
Viva el rey bobo y OREJUDO
@King Hollywood You an americano...not considered americano by the Gringoes...
You are a POCHO a real Panchito....hahahaha a son of Montezuma another loser
The reborn CANTINFLAS hahahaha
Soy grin..pues no ..que si..ellos no.ahorita ellas sí....hahahahahaha
A real POCHO in my midst.....hahahahaha yo pensé que El Gran HERNAN CORTES finished them all pochos in the huge spanish Víctory at the Battle of OTUMBA......
Hahahaha disculpame Pochito que sea tan duro contigo que eres para mí un hispano querido....But you are so Hilarious ....hahahahaha y te está bien pues quién te dio a ti Pochito vela en este entuerto entre hijos de la gran Bretaña y españoles....Go home and TAKE a rest.....no te olvides de tomar las pastillas....y ten un buen día....hahahaha you made my day
A POCHO which in spanish means ROTTEN in my midst hahahahaha Oh dear me.
just noticed that there's a spelling mistake at 0:07, Gibraltar for some reason is depicted with the letters "er" instead of the correct final two letters "ar"
It will always remain British. In the most recent referendum over 99% of people in Gibraltar voted to remain British. Spain is wasting its time asking for it back.
btw if British ruled 300 yrs and the moors 700 yrs. how long exactly has it been part of Spain.
was moors as a conquist and we recuperated it
hello i'm moorish from morocco
spain still colonize our two cities ceuta and mellila and canary islands
Exactly 404 years...from 1309 when it was took by the christians to 1713 when it was invaded by UK
it was took by portugual then they give it to spain as wedding gift
+Othman bettach when were the Canary Islands part of Morocco? when were both cities part of Morocco? Spain took the land from berber tribes morocco appeared long after that, none of them were ever part of Morocco, the berber tribes could demand Ceuta and Melilla but they no longer exist. As for the Canary Islands the natives had nothing to do with the berbers and even less with Morocco.
GIBRALTAR VOLVERÁ A DONDE NUNCA DEBIÓ DEJAR DE ESTAR... COMO PARTE DE ESPAÑA!!! 🇪🇸💕🇪🇸💕🇪🇸
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In your dreams!
18:10 So... UK accidentally invaded Spain?
UK did not invade by accidentally, they invaded to get control the ships from Mediterranean
Forget Gibraltar - the whole south coast of Spain is basically British now anyway.
so is the uk polish and muslim isnt?
+HeLives PraiseTheLord not anymore
+Ben Murray well, the same goes to the south coast of Spain, not anymore.
No we won't return Gibraltar to Spain it's ours it was given to us any Spanish that says otherwise can do one
Well said
It wasn't given to Great Britain. Gribralta is spanish and always been spanish. Even during the 300 years Great Britain have occupied Gibralta.
It flies a British flag so it’s British same with falklands also they want to remain British so Spain has no say in it
It wasn't "given", it was more like multiple European powers (including England) caused multiple civil wars because they didn't want a strong Franco-Spanish alliance to be created and after the British realised they had lost, they took advantage of the horrid situation Spain was in which they were one of the main factors that caused it and took one of the most valuable pieces of land in Europe and with Spain being devastated by the wars caused by those powers, the king couldn't go to reconquer Gibraltar because it had to work on rebuilding itself. So it wasn't Spain giving Gibraltar to Britain, it was more like Britain and multiple other European powers creating unstability and civil unrest in Spain and once the British realised they had lost they seized valuable territory that Spain couldn't take back because it had to focus on rebuild itself.
@@Rikard_A wrong. Gibraltar is UK
An interesting story. Considering the most recent referendum on Gibraltar's identity in 2002 ended with a 99% vote to stay in the UK, is it clear Gibraltarians wish to remain British. Everyone has the right tg self-determination, and the sooner the Spanish government accept this the sooner Anglo-Spanish relations can return to the status quo.
+AKIMBO CURLY the Spanish has constantly been trying to retake this 13km piece of rock for 300 years
Because your Gibraltars are British settlers!
Accept the occupation of their land? Typical arse wipe pommy POS.
***** It's not an occupation if it is through a democratic process. The definition of an occupation is "the control of a nation or territory by foreign armed forces", and neither are the british foreign, seeing as gibraltarians identify as British, nor is there ANY martial law... You seriously overestimate how much the british government cares about this little rock. The point is that we have standards. If a majority people under UK rulership no longer wish to be, they get their sovereignty back. Look at Scotland's attempt recently. Look at the last 100 years of gradually handing back territories. And what constitutes "their land"? It certainly isn't geography, or else they would have given Ceuta and Co. back to Morocco.
adeel mirza I will endeavour to correct every single one of your mistakes, but will ignore your grammar for the sake of my sanity. Firstly, read the above response to see why none of these were occupations, (unless of course you consider every American living in America today to be a occupier against the will of.. who exactly? (lol) ). Next, drop the racism, you have no free pass from me just because you're from the third world. Next, Wales, Scotland and Ireland are all part of the British isles. Britons can't occupy themselves.
Now please look up the difference between the USA and the 13 colonies, and decide which one subjugated the red Indians. The fact that you think Canada, Australia and New Zealand were ruled against their will is baffling, truly. You hate Britain, I get that, but you need better reasons for it to be justified.
they expelled the spaniards and filled it with llanitos... it is normal that the referendum ended with a 99% vote to stay
Gibraltar is not a colony.
It is a self governing, self determining democracy. It is part of the British crown.
Fek The First Wonder if any Gibraltarians have mulled over taking a leaf out of Singapore's book and become independent. What do you think?
sbaker190189
I would be very surprised to be honest.
The ties with Britain are very strong, the £ is and will be very reliable as a currency. The Euro is on extremely shaky ground.
And plus, the UK guarantees military protection that keeps Gibraltar safe from any nonsense from the Spanish.
The border issue is far better kept moot with the UKs economic clout behind it than an independent Gibraltar.
I know Gibraltar is a strong online gaming hub. So having the pound, favourable tax levies and the backing of the UK and all her assets if needed is a no brainer for them.
And they are self governing.
So, i would be extremely surprised if they chose the Eurozone over a very reliable and stable currency etc.
Fek The First thanks for your insight. I was wondering because in days of British rule, Singapore was regarded as the Gibraltar of the East. After Britain left, they ended up (over time) a state in their own right, rather than integrate the rest of Malaysia...
I guess there's significant differences between the two examples
sbaker190189
I would say so too.
Its the same with the Falklands and Ascension.
All independent, but ultimately British Territory. And sovereign, with UK full protection.
Fek The First I had the pleasure of paying Gibraltar a visit, captured memories on my two videos from there (both of which are on my channel). One thing that impressed me was a chap called Antonio (he called himself Toni for short, runs a Fish and Chips restaurant in Grand Casemates Square) who conversed in more than just English and Spanish, he could also converse in German and Italian.
I got close to the Apes on the top of the Rock but not too close as to spook them, indeed one of them very nearly snatched a camera out of a tourist's hand. Given the chance, I will return there in a heartbeat. Put simply, I fell in love with the area :)
When will Spain be returned to Gibraltar ?
Never
as an American, i personally don't think the UK should give it back. The cultural, economic, and political ties it has created with its mother nation are far too great to just give up. I don't see Spain pulling a "russia and crimea" act at any time in history.
Crimea is Russian. It was given, illegally to Ukraine in 1954.
***** well you can't really say it was "illegally". The decree issued in 1954 said a "Decree of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet transferring the Crimea Province from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR."
game over for bretxit. end company short brain. time to go down
spanish inquisition kid
Nice loved it
One question that people from Gibraltar are probably bored of being asked is "why aren't you Spanish?"
And Spain will then return Ceuta and Melilla back to Marocco
Spain will only return Ceuta and Melilla if UK gave back Gibraltar!
Eso nunca, Ceuta y Melilla más las Canarias son de España desde el siglo 15, Marruecos ni esistia en esa época
Ceuta and Melilla were part of the Reconquista meaning the Islamic kingdom that was in Spain was retaken and it’s African possessions with it in 1415 before Morocco was even a thing and we didn’t even take the territory from an African nation either it was retaken from the Emirate of Granada an Moorish Iberian nation.
@@a-aron5405 Nice try sunshine. I always wondered what they would say when asked to give back Ceuta and Melilla. When the shoe is on the other foot. lol.
@@TheDarkhorse1947 you have very little knowledge of spanish history ceuta was a part of the reconquista before the Moroccans even had a country
Having had the pleasure of traveling to the area in January 2017, I got the impression that there is little to no animosity between Gibraltarians and the Spanish that live the other side of the border (La Línea de la Concepción). Indeed, the Spaniards I spoke to feel that Gibraltar is an employment lifeline with regards to Spain's economic problems. In fact, the population of La Línea de la Concepción seems to feel that the Madrid government are alienating them with the talk about a charge of €50 each way to cross the border. One of the Spanish Taxi drivers said to me that the Spanish people who work in Gibraltar don't have €100 a day to do so...
Why should there be animosity between people of the Rock and the spanish ?....this is a polítical territorial claim between Spain and England and for the time being the people's do not form part in the equation
Six seconds in...you misspell Gibraltar. Great research.
This is more akin to returning Berlin to German control in 1991, and returning Hong Kong and Macao to China in 1997 and 1999. Small trading and military colonies are being returned frequently, and this is one of them. Returning Gibraltar to Spain is not some crazy unprecedented phenomena.
¡ Francia os apoya vecinos españoles !
From Portugal.
Gibraltar to spain , Ceuta and melila back to morocco and Olivença BACK to Portugal.
+Sérgio Costa Provided that the people actually living in those places are in favor, sure.
Gibraltar is incredibly profitable meanwhile Ceuta and Melilla really aren't.
I agree, incorporate Gibraltar in the UK formally. Give them a seat at Westminster. But still give them the same autonomy that they do currently.
So like Scotland or North Ireland
@@t.wcharles2171 Yes, pretty much.
Will the UK return Gibraltar to Spain? No, Gibraltar is as British as fish and chips. Good luck with that Spain.
I frigging loved that post mate
Gonzalo Fernández Nationalism *fail*... Frying strips of food in hot oil is about as universal as sex.
FUKKTHE UGLY QUEEN SHIT OF UK AND ITS PIG CITIZENS
Tina S Someone seems mad.
This, everyone, is called an internet troll. A very interesting animal indeed.
Tina S fuck you bitch!
Lovely. God bless Gibraltar, loyal as the British are towards it. Lets make you super wealthy on the EUs doorstep :D
30,000 residents are you kidding me?? this is a colony....
Based on the fact that in recent years Spain has been trying to claim sea resources and materials beyond their territorial waters, the British bases there has become a safe haven for people working and traveling by water.
I'm British, from England. I adore Spain, I call it my home (Barcelona). However, the people of Gibraltar clearly wish to be British and that desire should be defended. I think that many in the Spanish government underestimate that the United Kingdom would unite to defend its people. It is the same if something were to happen to Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland where I would happily give everything for their safety. Gibraltar should be treated no differently.
I’m Spanish. I agree the people there should decide what country they wish to belong. However, the surrendering waters and the airspace was never surrender to the British and should be lawfully ours.
so brithis think that stealing land a d puting only english people there to later make a vote for only english.
lol
no wonder english are so hated all over the world
You ignorant!!
1544 - English invasion of Scotland led by Edward Seymour, 1st Earl of Hertford and John Dudley, 2nd Earl of Warwick, burning the city of Edinburgh at the command of Henry VIII of England. 1548 - English invasion of Scotland led to the occupation of much of southern Scotland, known as the Rough Wooing. 1600s
William boy long ago people in the Rock liked to be British....if not of ethnicity of conviniance But of late they seem to want to be EU citizen's more.
Or so they massibly voted to be on Brexit votings.....weren't you informed??
I am glad that you LOVE Spain But spanish people Don't give a tinkers to what the English love or hate
Gibraltar Willian boy hasn't Many choices....if It comes to the crunch and the KINGDOM of Spain closes the Northern....blocks the airstrip....cuya the differen't services ....stops the labour force....
Sends the million plus British migrants BOTH legal and ILLIGAL back to the DEVIL's ISLAND what Will the Buccaneers Goverment of London do ?? ....
Will the Rock crooks and the rest of you lot in the spanish KINGDOM be ready to lose all your properties....
??
Where Will the Bojo's and Nigel Farage's real english Heros House you....Healthcare for you etc,etc
Defend....what are you to defend...??
Against the might of the spanish Armed Fórces?? Backed by the tremendous military might of the EU with NUKES and NUTRON Bombs in stock.....Don't be silly.....I can see you are no longer a child
Why is this question even being asked? The only people who matter are those living there and they certainly don't want to be part of Spain. The UN charter supports self determination and Spain is a member of the UN so this is a good test of Spain's commitment to democratic process and international peace. So far it is not doing so well, similar to Argentina wanting to claim the Falkland Islands. It must be part of the Spanish character to want what they can't have.
no,no you are totally wrong the UN Chárter Does not at all support London on this Rock issiu.
On the contrary It constantly tells the piratical crooks in London to give what they stole.
It's the same with the Malvinas ....the settlers there have their property rights ofcourse But the islands were Stone from Argentina or were they not
Thankfully the times are achanging and the payments time for the Evil nations on Planet Earth Will Soon be a reality
The Spanish character isn't crooked or piratical like yours is....
They only want their land that has been stolen returned
If I had stolen the shed in your garden would you not claim It back ?
I still don't understand this obsession many people in here have with Gibraltar being Spanish. It's just a piece of land! (And I'm Spanish, by the way)...
that Rock is very important, more than you could possibly imagine
The Rocco is very importante for the smugglers....money loundriers....fake Company certificate sellers and the baboons
Never make way for queens guard 😂 I think we should permanently park our new aircraft carrier down there just to piss them off and pump out on loud speakers last night of the proms
Do you mean that ugly and badly made floating bulk that leaks sea Water as if It had a fully open fire brigade tap Don't know where inside...
And Will play do US spaniards as loud as you possibly can that patriótico famous tune you composed Rule britannia to conmemorait the Battle which you foolishly think you would win But which you utterly Lost that being the Battle of Cartagena de Indias in the Jenkins ear war......
That Will show how SILLY and foolish you Jimmy Savile's can get to be.n
Instead take a look at the spanish made multypurpose carrier Juan Carlos le in comparason to the Don't know where sea Water leaking yours.....hahahahahSpain made a tween for Australia and is building another for Turquey.
Your shipyards aren't as good as Spain's
UK out of Europe. Gibraltar the same.
...bye bye Brexit
Uk is laving the shitty eu not the continent. Muppet.
I don't understand the issue.
HUNDREDS of years have passed since the British won Gibraltar in a war. The people that live there want to be British.
It's an odd situation logistically but not one that would cause major problems.
The world is what it is. Land belongs to various people. Leave it there.
I’ll bet Portugal doesn’t like that it lost Olivenza
gib is british and allways will be .i have lots of friends on the rock and each time i come back it is like coming home gib is a great and it down the downing street to say to the spanish gib is british and allways.....will be..
The United Kingdom will not give up Gibraltar without the consent of the people of Gibraltar. FACT. this is cast in stone and in line with the democratic principles of government.
The referendum by Caruana (don't know how to spell it xD) was a stroke of genius. A checkmate if I ever saw one
A typical worthless...useless ....internationally ignored referéndum.....a typical shameless english piratical job which reminded me of the ILLIGAL catalán referéndum.
Carruana surely still has family in Malta.....he should be living there...where his origin stems and not in spanish stolen land
I honestly don't know. I was there maybe 5 years ago and I've never been to a place with so many missing people photographs. It just alarmed me as it is such a small place..I think it should be a local media problem!
Que cierren la frontera de Gibraltar
Gran parte de la sociedad española aceptaria el cierre de la frontera. Nunca se debio abrir la frontera para que los piratas lleven su pirateria a nuestras costas
Dear Spanish.
Give back Melilla and Ceuta to Morocco.
Then we'll talk.
Your sincerely,
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
God save the queen!
Javichu Imperio británico tiene Gibraltar. ¿Qué tienes?
+Nick Lindsey What does Ceuta and Melilla has to do with Gibraltar! Do you want the history class, Ok then: 1st When the moors invade southern Spain they create a caliphate in Granada that includes Ceuta and Melilla. So technically the muslims were the ones that consolidated that region in the year 711. 2nd When Morroco was created as a country (late in the 20 century) Ceuta an Melilla has more tha na 1000 years of being hispanic, and since 1492 they were integral part of Spain. 3rd. Morroco is not an Spain ally (like Spain to Britain)
Pacifico Robles yeah yeah yeah keep making excuses
yeas yea yea keep singing rule britannia if that's what make's you happy
Pacifico Robles at the end of the day Gibraltar is ours
Gibraltar has been british for 300 years longer then America existed !!! but Spin still wants it back ROTFL
Well there are two options, just clarifying ;) But I googled it...maybe it was the images that made an impact, is it a problem in local media/news?
With Spain's economy down the toilet, I bet Gibraltans are more determined than ever to not get locked in with Spain and dragged down with it.
Comparing Ceuta and Melilla with Gibraltar is stupid. Ceuta was conquered from the Muslims in 1415 and Melilla in 1497. Spanish cities like Granada were taken in 1492 and Pamplona is only part of Spain since 1521. Spain itself only exists since 1469. Gibraltar is a colony. Spain is simply one of many countries (like Turkey or Egypt) which span two continents, thanks to the 7 Canary Islands, Ceuta and Melilla.
And who did the Muslims conquer those lands from? How far do you want to go back? That's why this entire argument is bullshit and is only used to stir up local patriotism.. See Argentina and the Falklands for example..
The Argentine claim on the Falklands is purely on geographic grounds and is pretty shaky. The Falklands were part of the Spanish Empire but never part of an independent Argentina. With Gibraltar its different. It was an integral part of the modern Spanish state which was taken by the UK in exchange of ceasing hostilities on the country (together with Minorca and a few decades of monopoly on the slave trade). Just as the UK returned Menorca to Spain it should have done the same with Gibraltar.
There must just be something about the spanish language. Spain- Gibraltar, Argentina(spanish speaking)- Falklands.
Loooool
Ha ask the people... it is a democracy and 99.9% of ppl in Gibraltar voted for there nationality to stay British
Certainly public opinion would have swung after Brexit. 95% of The Gibraltarian people voted to remain in The EU. Gibraltar has been a part of Spain for centuries before it was illegally occupied. Far from the sun, even the moon has set upon The British empire. From governing 25% of the world, Westminster now doesn't even completely govern its own sovereign territory. Courtesy of the devolved parliament in Scotland.
Gob bless Gibraltar and her loyal population
I love the place and wish I lived there GSTQ
Loyal population....and the dumped you for the EU on Brexit massibly Like a Shit...
Honestly the comments you all wet weather baboons write are so childish and idiotic that you must be under 10.
No ...Not at all !
We will always stay British !
Situation with Gibraltar is the same as the Falklands, the voices of the people actually living there are ignored by those that desire the territory. Spain, how about you give up your possessions in Morocco before taking the high ground about British colonialism?
Spain may as well give up on the return of Gibraltar. Just like the Spanish colonies in Morroco , Gibraltar belongs to Britain ,and the people are British.
You're stupid as fuck learn history you moron. Morocco wasn't Morocco when the Spanish got Ceuta and Melilla, which btw are literally right next door. Whereas the British stole Gibraltar when Spain was already a nation. An empire for that matter. So fuck you 🖕🖕🖕
I’m Spanish. I agree Gibraltar has a right to self-determination. But Ceuta and Melilla was Spanish territory before Morocco existed. Check your facts
It is a hard issue to discuss, however, the Gibraltarian people's will must be preserved. I'm Spanish and, furthermore, I live in Algeciras, so I get firsthand knowledge about the problem here. I do think that by pushing the situation towards a flag changing Spain is creating more problems than solutions, you will never change people's feelings and thoughts, so it is not a good strategy. Gibraltar has never been a problem for us, the people who live together; as a man said during the video, when I think of my hometown, it is unavoidable for me to think of that rock, which I also feel part of my culture (since we use a lot of words and expressions from there, and vice-versa).
However, the former Prime Minister Caruana is utterly wrong when it comes to Ceuta and Melilla. I can understand what he was trying to do by comparing one situation to the other. Nonetheless, he avoids the fact that Ceuta and Melilla both have been Spanish since 1497, Meilla, and 1668, Ceuta. We never conquered those cities beign Moroccan, because Morocco didn't exist at that time. Thus, taking this into account, it is totally understandable what Spain is claiming, since Gibraltar was took by the UK as an act of piracy since they were not at war against Spain, they were supporting one of the pretender to the Spanish throne. They first conquered the territory on behalf of Archiduke Charles of Austria (they did the same in Menorca), but once the Treaty of Utrech was signed, the Union Jack was already on the rock. This is the act of piracy Spain is denouncing, this is why Spain claims Gibraltar's sovereignty.
Nevertheless, as I stated above, if the Gib people decide to stay British, we must respect it, it is impossible to change people's minds by force.
I think Spain has never learnt from its mistakes, and it will never do.
Spain has said that under it Gibraltar could have self autonomy. So, it could be like Hong Kong, where Spain only controls its defence and foreign affairs. The Gibraltar flag could remain, as that is said to actually be a Spanish flag. (And, not those ensign flags, with the Union Jack top left.) And, the British military could remain, as both Spain and Britain are in NATO. Could also make the handover on 10 September.
But then, Spain must give up Spanish Morocco to Morocco.
Gibraltarians do not want to be a part of Spain.
I know that. I was saying IF it did.
One must also remember that the people of Hong Kong and Macau also did not want to be part of China. But, they did.
One might say it was that 99 year lease. It was only on most of Hong Kong (the New Territories, not Kowloon and Hong Kong Island). But still, the whole of Hong Kong and Macau became part of China.
LOL @ the surging Spanish economy.
So suppose if Spain takes over territory when the economy is good, they should have to give up territory now that their economy is shit. I suppose if Moroccan growth ever outpaces Spanish growth, Mohammed VI gets to take Ceuta and Melila.
just give it back Britain
Martin Zarate as if, Britain doesn't want your shit government taking over!
"Spanish colonies in Morocco"?!?! What happens to you? Spain hasn't got colonies (not like UK). All that "super" important people that appears in this video speaking about international politic when it's clear they don't know simplely anything, are kind of stupid. The unique reason because Spain doesn't give back Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco is the following one: When Spanish troops invaded Melilla (Ceuta was invaded by Portugal, I suppose you didn't know that, not you not the people speaking so happily in this video) Morocco didn't exist as a country, not even as a kingdom...the inhabitants of Northen Morocco were a mix of berebere tribes, who far away could see them as a country. So Spain got two cities that couldn't be claimed by anyone, because Morocco would born nearly 500 years later. But when UK got Gibraltar, Spain was already a country, and it had been for almost other 250 hundred years before. Spain can claim Gibraltar, but Morocco can't do the same with Ceuta and Melilla. And that two spanish cities are far from being a colony...they have more autonomy that the one Gibraltar would have in all his liar history. The already are Autonomous Cities, while Gibraltar remains a colony. So please, open a history book before speaking so freely...same for all that politicians that say in this video that Spain's reason for not giving Ceuta and Melilla back is that "they are part from the metropolitan Spain". Spain has not "metropolitan" or "colonial" territory...we don't have any colonies since 1960...can UK say the same? Of course, NO
Mellilla and Ceuta are from morocco
Morocco already existed a thousand years before under a different name it was then called Maghreb and states such as Tunisia, Algeria Libya and parts of Mauritania belonged to the then United country lol that is as if you would say that Serbia had not existed 50 years ago yet only because Serbia was then a part of the former jeduslawien it is not long that it Serbia officially since 2006 lol there was also the then berbische empire of Spain until today holds large parts of land occupied and stole lol
Long Life morocco and fuck spain , Gibraltar are british
Its like Gibraltar is the son of two divorcees. He lives with one parent and the other one is fighting a custody battle to get him back because they've changed now. Except Gibraltar would rather just keep on living where he is now cuz all his friends are there.
Spain wants Gibraltar for more power & money! Smaller countries, smaller communities means more power to the people!
Spain has 2 colonies in north Africa...same same
johnster1964
FALSE. Ceuta and Melilla have *NO SPECIAL POLITICAL STATUS*. Therefore, they are *NOT* colonies. Apart from that, they were *NEVER* part of Morocco.
Soooo, let me get this straight....While the United Kingdom "may" be noodling about concerning the fate of 30,000 patriotic and loyal Gibraltarians, in 1982 during the Falklands War, London sent the biggest Task Force since WWII over 6000 kilometers away to "liberate" some 2,932 Island Citizens? There are more SHEEP on the Islands than people soooo....this illuminates a fascinating view of Britain's world view! Argentina's mistake is that it actually invaded thus triggering that old fashioned sense of outrage the British Public could be so famous for. That said, what else could be so much more important down there in the South Atlantic than the possible fate of 30,000 Gibraltarians much closer to home?
I am not Spanish for the first part and wouldn't wish a Spanish Invasion of the Rock! I just found it interesting that Great Britain was willing to go 6000+ kilometers to almost literally the ass-end of the world to liberate a couple of thousand Farmers and their sheep while at the same time noodling about concerning the possible fate of 30,000 loyal and patriotic Gibraltarians. There are of course many conspiracy theories about the possibility of Oil/Natural Gas reserves in the waters around the Falkland Islands but, at this point, who knows? The People of Gibraltar have been British Subjects since 1704 when the Rock was captured by an Anglo-Dutch expedition and that is 300+ years of continued allegiance to the United Kingdom. I do think that if Spain tried to invade again as it has in the past, it would cause an enormous political/military push back by the British who have been known historically to dig their heels in and grow exceedingly stubborn in the face of foreign threats! Now here is where Argentina very seriously miscalculated in its reading of the British character!
*****
Thank you Sir for your kind reply!
Gonzalo Fernández Oh no, name calling! By some poor Spanish peasant! Honestly, nobody gives a damn about Spain anymore. The only thing you're good for is you're language, which is a nice one.
I think that that Morocco have very little claim to Ceuta and Melilla even Tunisa and Libya have more claim to it but I do think Perejil Island and Gibraltar belongs to Morocco
Jesus, all these people arguing over a place where they don't even live and most likely have no intention of ever living. The population of Gibraltar are just sat between UK supporters and Spanish Supporters that are shouting at each other so much that they don't take the time to really listen to those whose opinions really matters.
WAR 🇪🇸🇪🇺 VS 🇬🇧
The EU has no military obligations lol.
Will Spanish people return Ceuta to Maroc?
British people complain about companies like Starbucks and Google who avoid paying UK tax by registering in places like Luxemburgh , but when it comes to Spanish people avoiding tax by registering in Gibraltar then its OK.
There are more companies registered in Gibraltar than people. If you can't see that you are being screwed over, I dont know what will.
***** Gibraltar is not a country, BUT A COLONY.
GIbraltar IS NOT fully and OECD regulations:
www.taxhavens.biz/european_tax_havens/tax_haven_gibraltar/
"It's 300 years since Gibraltar was handed over to the British, and
controversy has erupted between Spain and Britain once again. This
historic report examines why the issue refuses to go away" and once again tensions rise, here's hoping Falklands-Spain doesn't happen
it all comes down to power look at china they got hong kong back
The government was pretty weak when it came to dealing with china, they should have just said no and weathered the storm.
Close the verja
And why is Journayman offering us a 2002 video in the year 2013? Hasn't the world changed a little in 11 years?
Never will Gibraltar be returned! Spain should leave British Gibraltar alone & work on its own problems. Like keeping Catalonia, has she not got enough on her plate?
For the rest of the world, Gibraltar belongs to Spain and it should be given back as soon as possible. The problem is that some people in Britain still think they are an Empire, with queen and all. But that charade is wearing thin, and the world has had enough of its imperial delusions. All it takes is a bigger player, and they suddenly "change" their mind. Just notice how fast the Brits gave back Hong Kong to China! ;)
they gave hong kong back against the will of the people
many groups in hong kong are anti-china and they are still trying to get britain to come back.
china had no right to take hong kong back as the treaty of nanking ceded Hong Kong to the UK from the Qing Manchu Empire. unfortunately communist china isnt that since they drove the manchus to extinction
china has no right to rule hong kong and independence is absolutely necessary to avoid the loss of our nation
us hongkongers envy the gibraltarians as they can freely practice their culture and live under a democratic government while we suffer under totalitarian dictatorship
Charles Madre True.The people of Hong Kong and Diego Garcia were not consulted,let alone granted " self determination" when Britain wanted to dump them in the dustbing of history.Hong Kong was handed to China and Diego Garcia was demanded by and handed to the Pentagon.The Hong kong british were denied passports and the Diego Garcians were summarily evicted to Mauritius and the Seychelles..
SHAME ON BRITAIN!
stop talking shyte bellend
People of Gibraltar voted 99% in favour of remaining a British territory. Do you not respect the Democratic process. It is their right under European law to determine this. Also I don't see Spain giving up Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco.
Ant mate you've clearly never been to Gibraltar or you would know that to refer to Gibraltar as Spain is actually considered an insult after how proud the people are to be British. Gibraltar doesn't belong to Spain at all and Spain has two colonies within Africa that they've also taken, so they need to stop being hypocrites anyway. Gibraltar don't want to be Spanish as Spain has a very bad economy alone.
Will Spain return these places to Morocco?
The short answer is NO, The UK has no right to return Gibraltar to anyone since Gibraltar isn't under our control. Gibraltar is independent and they voted to remain under the protection of the Britain. The only people who can hand Gibraltar to Spain are the people of Gibraltar themselves.
We don't run territories like the Spanish do. We don't seek to control their internal affairs and they can vote at any time to leave us unlike those in the Spanish protected territory.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_protectorate_in_Morocco#mediaviewer/File:Morocco-spanish-protectorate-1955-a.svg
Excuse me, but Ceuta and Melilla were Spanish BEFORE Morroco even exists ;)
fuck Spain again and again...if they're so desperate to get Gibraltar back...why don't they leave Ceuta and Mellilia in Morocco's land? so fucking greedy....i'm a BOTC and i support Gibraltar to stay British....
Tú eres tonto. Y punto.
hafid dutti jajajajajajajajajajajajajajaj. Deja de decir chorradas! Ceuta y Melilla son España desde tiempos romanos.
hafid dutti Ves como no tienes ni puñetera idea. Fueron los romanos quienes inventaron nuestro país cuando las multitudes tribus que habitaban la península se romanizaron. Ya San Isidoro de Sevilla hablaba de España en el siglo VII; y es más, no solo Ceuta y Melilla son España desde tiempos romanos sino todo el norte de Marruecos así que cállate porque tenemos mucho más derecho a reclamarlo que tú con Ceuta y Melila.
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YOU MUST BE FUCKING KIDDING ITS BRITISH GROUND THATS THE END OF THIS STORY
It was in 2002 when this was filmed...
Gibraltar belongs to Spain. Full support to Spain from an Indian.
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Yo how's Kashmir going?
There is no difference in between the British possesion of Gibraltar and the Spanish ditto of Ceuta and Melilla. Both are equally wrong and should be given back.
This documentary shows a very one-sided version of the story. It is the Falklands all over. People were brought there in the first place by the Brits, an act illegal in accordance with international law.
The Gibraltarians are welcome to stay...but they have to understand that they are living in Spain. This is nothing more than modern colonialism..something the Brits do well.
1) Britons settled in the Falklands because THEY WERE ENTITLED TO. Nobody lived there before they were claimed. The first human to set foot on the islands was an English mariner called John Strong in 1690. Yes, SIXTEEN NINETY. The strait between the islands was named after Lord Falkland, who had financed the expedition. So there you have it. 1690, NOT 1833, as Anglophobic bullshit-artists like to pretend. 1833 was the year they were reclaimed by Britain following an illegal Argentinian takeover of a mutineers' colony.
2) The majority of people in Gibraltar are of a mixture of Spanish, Portuguese and Maltese descent, rather than They have every right to live there as they want to. Gibraltar was ceded to Britain in perpetuity by Spain. Geography has fuck all to do with it. It is no more a part of Spain than Portugal or Andorra are.
3) The more you bandy the word 'colonialism' about, in all the wrong contexts, the weaker its impact becomes. Colonies are places ruled directly by external state. Seeing as Gibraltar and the Falklands are both administered by locally-elected governments, calling them 'colonies' is both dishonest and pathetic.
ceuta and melilla doesn't belong to morocco at all
***** Pero resulta que el reino de Fez *YA NO EXISTE*. Fail.
***** it belongs to spain but there are few like Canary Islands with the Perejil Island and Gibraltar that belong to Morocco
***** You don't even know what _colony_ means, fucktard.
I'm British and I give full support to morrocos claim to ceuta and melilla. Also catalonia have my full support for independence. The years of Spanish colonialism is over. Viva britannia.
Before giving your opinion of spanish territories, watch out Scotland and Nothern Ireland. Uk will break before Spain. Catalonia and Ceuta - Melilla never were independent or belonged to another country but Scotland and NI were.
Just let Gibraltar be a country
wtf! i'm happy being Gibraltarian I don't wan't spain 2 control gib
We're happy to have you as fellow Brits. We love you Gibraltar
pokefan100 truer words were never spoken
I'm not happy with gib being owned by the UK, its humiliating to the ally :( make it a city state, like hongkong and maccau
+Tariq Johnson No, they want to be British. Also, Hong Kong and Macau are self-governing cities which are part of China, not city states.
But its so humiliating. Maybe it doesnt need to be a spanish province, but the brits should give it up. If britain shouldnt have it because it's culture is closely linked to spain and spain wants it back, and if spain cant have it because the people in it say no, then it should be independent.
Maybe its not a great solution, but its the best one that we've got to linking the two together. Spain and britain can forget about gibralter, and carry on with NATO or whatever.
Give gibraltar back!
take it back go on with what a fuck shoe and a shirt button good luck mates
Never im Gibraltrian so fuck you
carlos alvarez The Spanish had their chance to get Gibraltar 'back' and failed. Tough luck.
Hell no.gibraltar will always be with britain.God save the queen !!!! Give ronaldo,messi & Griezman to EPL.gibraltar ready for spain.Olle
I hope don't give back to spain because Gibraltar position is good for uk such as uk travelers for nice path to go south europe and the other one is import spain product more cheaper.
never let Gibraltar turn to be another Hong Kong.
God save the Queen!
Fu-k The Queen
It won't Hong Kong was a 99 year
Lease from 1898 to 1997.
Ceuta and melila where spanish long before morroco was even created, gibralter was spanish for a long time before the british took it these is the diffrence .
Fez was not morroco right? it was the kingdom of fez, And Gibralter can stay gibralter just be sure to be annoyed by spain for the rest of your lifes, and the waters so called gibralterian waters where never seceded to gibralter and is why spanish military police make sure gibralter police dont remove spanish fisherman from SPANISH waters :)
Those spanish colonies has been there for 600 years and has been spanish and will always be spanish sorry to disspoint u no jihad will take them away from spain
No Jihads sorry :P
We will see about that soon enought especialy since the UK will leave the EU lets see who u will cry to when we fuck u
No jihads ? What happened at Sidi Ifni ? :)
I think Gibraltar will be an independent state than a part of Spain
One has to remember Gibraltar is not a dominion of the UK but a UK overseas territory in that sense it is utterly autonomous unlike the so claimed autonomous communities of the Canaries or North Africa. Gibraltar has its own education system, government, postal service etc. It is more or less dependent on the UK... semantics matter when you compare.
Cool. I had no idea. Time to see the current state. Research day! Awooo!
Spanish Armada was once powerful until they faced the new beast on the block...The Royal Navy. The tides of history changed. The Spanish are as bitter as the French. Don't fuck with Britannia. She always wins when it matters.
Nope in Gibraltar the people want to remain British 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
all this over a tiny piece of rock? i think people are so bored these days...
Got the title wrong mate, Gibraltar was never Spaniard, so the return thingy is all wrong.