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i had like 10k into it an stopped playing bc they lowered skill sealing so much that it wasnt fun anymore.... so sad... all cool sci fi games get crsuhed by "establiashment"...
I purchased two packages at launch. One for myself and one for my son. My son has since graduated high school and college, moved out, gotten married, and has his own kids. SC… still in alpha
Ever taken a shit where it stops halfway? Then you take a big breath, struggle and double down trying to squeeze it out. Only to have it break off with the other half still inside you and be left red faced, gasping for air and back to square one. That's s.c development....
This is for young Mutahar III. Congratulations on getting to play Star Citizen. Your grandpa was a legit dude, and we all felt his loss when he passed away after catching one of the 10,000 computer viruses he loaded into a PC for a video.
In 2018 I read a Forbes money article that was an interview with a former executive of CIG. He quit and went to the press because Chris Robert’s and his wife had #1 spent millions of the crowd sourced funds for SC on a mansion in pacific palisades CA for themselves and #2 kept scraping the game and starting over when ever a new engine was available. As long as money keeps coming in, Robert’s will just keep moving the goal posts while paying himself and his wife millions a year each as a salary. The former executive said the game will never release until CIG comes up with a new source of income or when people stop giving him money because once they stop taking in funds the gravy train will end for Roberts.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD they didn't like it. Chris Roberts made a big announcement that it did not meet the standards they wanted to set. If you watch game play videos in 2016 you would understand why the game wasn't ready. Graphically there's a huge difference.
@@Toutvidsthe game wasn't ready because they kept expanding the scope of what they wanted to do, strictly the PU features, as well as the engine choice. S42 should not have taken this long for them to get out unless they were suffering SERIOUS infrastructure issues, because all the Jesus tech that's been holding up the project only helps the PU, S42 doesn't need server meshing or their planet generation tech. Last I heard, they switched to a new engine as well, this one being their own custom engine instead of the patch worked Frankenstein thing they created from Cryengine. To them long enough.
Back in the Wing Commander days, Chris Roberts had a firm deadline and a producer on his back, keeping him grounded. That leash gave us a completed game instead of a perpetual dream. Fast-forward to Star Citizen, and without those restrictions, Roberts is off in the cosmos, pushing for perfection in every nook and cranny-including a fully functional, physics-based coffee machine in the middle of a space combat game. This isn’t just a little extra; it’s the kind of feature that delayed actual gameplay, like space combat and core mechanics, all for the sake of an interstellar espresso. Then there’s the whole “biggest MMO server ever” idea, which demanded tech that still doesn’t even exist. Meanwhile, the team’s been stuck endlessly reworking designs, burning through cash, and barely keeping up with a list of features that seem to grow faster than they can build them. So here we are, millions of dollars and years later, with fans waiting for the galaxy that Roberts promised, while his coffee machine and half-built planets stare back like silent reminders that sometimes, a leash isn’t a bad thing.
Well, server meshing isn't quite "tech that still doesn't even exist" it exist, on Minecraft. Which is a more predictable game with a lot less going on in it generally even with mods, so yeah, they are probably never getting server meshing at this point
Yeah cept the moment you look under the hood, that's a load of BS. There's nothing perfection or indeed even completion in *any* nook and cranny. Crack that game open, decompress the models and look at them in the blender. They all look half finished meshes that have been abruptly abandoned as the creator's whims have taken them elsewhere.
To be fair a lot of these extra features like the coffee mechine doesn't delay the game. Thwg have a lot of devs and those devs working on networking etc have nothing to do with the people working on coffee mechines
In CIGs defence (and devils advocate), squadron 42 has been eating most of their resources and holy shit that demo shows it. As well, once the milestone of server meshing and a second new system is introduced and polished (Pyro) everything else, in theory, should fall into place. Those are the biggest hang ups atm in my opinion. Once they prove the concept, everything else is just minor iterations on copy and paste and fine tuning gameloops. Exploration just needs POIs and the ability to earn money, cargo needs economy which needs server meshing, ai needs stability which needs server meshing ECT ECT. The question is can CIG keep up once they hit their stride.
My biggest problem with "immersion" and being "realistic" is that 90% of the stuff you do are chores: you have to do them, even if you don't like them. And now a game is being made to simulate different chores, between short, entertaining sessions. Also, what do you think, when exactly did this project become a sunk cost fallacy?
It kind of goes to show how little people have going on in their lives. I don't waste time looking up things I don't like to watch an hour of someone "roasting" something I don't like. That's bizarre.
People care about SC and want it badly to succeed. This entire video is a summary of what the community discussed at some point. I don’t care about the game Concord by firewalk studios so I don’t follow any content reviewing that game, but I do like to keep up with SC content- good or bad.
Don’t worry once Chris Robert’s develops an engine, super computers, cures cancer and ends world hunger they’ll a start development for real you gotta just trust the process bro. A delayed game is eventually good, A rushed game is forever bad (Sarcasm)
Btw for those who think I’m just a hater I want you to know I spent close to $2,000 on this game and desperately wanted this game to succeed as I haven’t experienced any other game like this. Yet I don’t think it ever will come out my money has been wasted and I was burned just like many other “backers”
you can just see used car salesman on his face and attitude. actually in this case, a future hypothetical car that could exist, but you have to pay up front.
I backed the "game" in 2012. Seeing as it was a scam (they were making huge post to explain how they invented the stamina system at the time) I sold my ships shortly after the hangar module for more money than they were worth because I had lifetime insurance. I still have access to the "game". A few years back I logged into this insane high budget and completely fucked up fever dream and it was hilarious: T posing guards, ship yeeting me out at mach 20 when I enter, and my favorite: I fell through the floor and died. Now let us think about what this entails in a multiplayer game: I could not render a corridor and I fell through it. Then I died. Do you know what it means? It means all the game logic is client side. Including physics. In a "space sim". Again. The client decides where you stand, if you live or die. This is absolutely hilarious, it's going to be a gigantic cheater fest, you can probably decide who lives or die and teleport anywhere just by modifying some variables in memory. I bring this up regularly to people who "play" this game around me and they fail to understand what it means every time, because anyone who simps for CR has an iq of exactly 12. They are a cult.
well they have the best anti cheat in the world, easy anti cheat, so I don't see that as a problem, also it's not client side, it's just that servers tick are really low to detect that you are on smth, which is gonna disappear in 4.0 with server meshing. (Also I don't play this game, I'm just interested to where this game is going)
@Kallax2 easy anti cheat is a joke, does not prevent cheating and you absolutely cannot the most abusive types of cheat there are 8f you trust the client - which is what they do. If they let you fall through a server and die, because you couldn't render a floor, it means that your computer did that game processing on its own and told the server that you died. And the server ran with it. That's a simple fact, cheating is already in through this. This opens the door the the most god mode types of cheat, like the shit we could see in Arma a while ago, where people would teleport everyone on a server in the sky or spawn aircraft carriers all over the map.
@tohkai1959 how is easy anti cheat a joke, it's the same anti cheat as valorant and the best in the world do your research. As for the client side falling through thanks for correcting me, but I watched many livestreams of 3.24.2 and never saw someone go through the floor
@@tessabowers3496 Did you see the Starship IFT5 launch and landing? Rocket science is hard, but SpaceX has made more progress than anybody else in the business of space travel in decades.
Hello and greetings everyone, I am a time traveller from the year 2047 and i'm here to tell you that Star Citizen is in alpha 6.38. We are sooo close to getting the full release i am so excited!!!
They removed the road map because they literally couldn't meet any of the targets and were annoyed that people kept pointing it out. So now there's just a vague sugguestion of what they're doing. Nobody knows when anything will be done lol.
Same with MandaloreGaming. Here's his four year old pinned comment update: "Still no plans on any kind of update video, since stuff like selling land/in-game money is just more of the same issues in a different coat of paint. Predictions of course were wildly inaccurate since I didn't suspect the game was ludicrously farther behind than what they showed in their attempt to sell tickets to CitizenCon 2016." I wouldn't blame him for not doing an update ever. He runs "I review old and/or obscure games" -channel, not a commentary channel. The first video was already bit out of his wheelhouse.
@@zach1727me too. I wouldn't have realized that skip was a whole 1 minute and a half if they didn't comment. Revanced doesn't just fight TH-cam, it skips these rather long sponsor spots too. Nobody has time for it.
The engine has been done for years, they went to court and then settled in 2020. Shows how ignorant the critics are. Go tell Elon how to build spaceships next.
Sunk cost fallacy is SO strong with these people. Seriously. Imagine paying kickstarter loads for a gta server that doesn't have the game actually attached to it besides basic mechanics like "enter car"
But Muta, it's all about the game's potential and ambition. Star Citizen is doing something other space games won't and I'm excited to be along for the ride...is what I would have said if I had already invested thousands of dollars into Star Citizen and was suffering from the sunk cost fallacy.
i have happily spent my 45€ for access to the game there are so many generic, rushed and uninspired games out there already, so i dont blame CIG for being ambitious if you want a star citizen without the things that make it "overambitious", its already out there, its called starfield, i heard its an amazing game
@@Swatmat Because all the industry is just about Starfields coming out, sure, lol. Even if that was the case, and that isn't the case, a game like Starfield is still better than no game, only marketing, and barebone, broken demos and pre-alphas, like Star Citizen...
But also the visionary. Out of curiosity I tried reading about Freelancer (from people on who still play it) - it had very good systems hidden in game files (robust multiplayer for example, which is weird for a single player game :D - apparently 500 players online on a server was fine, while most games only support up to 16 on LAN)... So it reinforced my belief he "knows" what he's doing, because if he managed to build such an amazing game in 2000s (and it is still very dumbed down because of Microsoft)... then SC can truly be the best game ever.
@@BeSk9991the issue with Freelancer was that he never did finish the game, he was way over budget and way past the deadline. If what we're talking about is that he has good ideas, then sure, but that's hardly anything special. What matters is being able to bring that vision to life, and knowing where to focus and when you back away from the unattainable. His stubborness cost him the game he envisioned, but its quality is still incredible considering that it was never his full idea. Compromise is not a bad thing.
People don't understand this is the Duke Nukem Forever model MINUS a publisher for NO ACCOUNTABILITY. Real life crowd funding means you OWN STOCK in the company. So professional funding has accountability, while these game funding scams have NONE. Also, these guys bought Descent and made Descent Underground. Also a scam. IT'S NOT AN ACCIDENT, IT'S DELIBERATE. THEY'RE SCAM ARTISTS.
He'll compromise when the money stops rolling in lol. But whales are gonna whale then complain when their ambitious game turns out to not be THEIR ambitious game they hoped and dreamed of.
Imagine raising almost a billion dollars for a game that is 10 years in development and still not officially launched, and then also have people still defending your project... smh
I get enough joy out of it for what I paid so I am happy. There are enough finished games I play 3 minutes of without ever touching it again. Weird how you take this so seriously😂
Ive never even played this game, so I'm not defending it. But it seems like a lot of the money goes into creating the technology for the stuff in the game, and it seems like they are creating some really ambitious stuff.
Remember, Microsoft had to reign in Chris Roberts on FREELANCER because it was almost three years over schedule. This is what happens when you don't ground your creatives, they just keep dreaming without results.
@@Bootchair so explain elden ring then? or wukong? they have investers and deadlines and produced some of the best games in the last few years. your argument is flawed
Funding Star Citizen is like buying an overpriced, almost empty bag of chips full of holes with a promise that you will someday, eventually, get the rest of the chips and holes patched up IF you continue to funnel absurd amounts of money in.
I want this game to be good, its COMPLETELY my vibe for both campaign & and multiplayer, but it's clear Chris Robert's doesn't know how to manage the project.
Which matches well with the early part of the video. I don't know if he just manages money wrong or if he pockets some of it, but either way it's just a wreck.
@@Argumemnonright? Having that much money and not having a good polished product is crazy. I get it's a big game but man it seems so cool just too unpolished.
I believe the problem is that they don't know when to stop managing a project. Everytime they reach completion they need to add more and more, and then once that is complete they need to add more and more. Now this has reached the point where it's no longer a fun sci-fi space game and now it's just an alternative roleplay simulation of what life will be like 100 years from now. I really, really want to love this project. I played it years ago, quit because my PC couldn't handle it. Years later I've completely rebuilt a brand new god PC and i can finally run it the way it's intended and much like when I had my ass PC I'm still running into weird gameplay breaking bugs except now they're weird gameplay breaking bugs at a buttery smooth frame rate. And when I say weird game breaking bugs I'm not talking about complex interactions within the games engine, I'm talking about stupid things like your spaceship not being able to be assigned a damn hanger to spawn in. Or when it does spawn in the hanger, the damn hanger doors do not fully open which won't allow you to physically leave said hanger, and then your ship gets impounded for being abandoned in a hanger because you physically can not leave then the space police issue you a wanted token for "being a public nuisance". Really, really stupid things that are the kind of bugs you expect from a game that has launched MINUTES AGO in early access on steam. But no, these really are brand new amateur game breaking bugs people are encountering in a game as complex as this, that has been around for as long as this has, with almost a billion dollars thrown at this. But hey, at least your space ship remembers the empty can of lemon lime soda you threw into the corner of it three weeks ago! Big win for space trash immersion!
honestly Chris Roberts has been doing a great job considering what his studio undertook, 2 games, a new engine, multiple groundbreaking techs, and all of this is being done with a brand new studio. All of that is incredibly impressive especially considering they haven't even raised the funding Ubisoft used to make the pile of shit known as skull and bones
Yeah I mean the project is not perfect by any means, I'd like things to be different and yet I'm STILL having more fun with it despite all the bugs, than other current AAA games lol
I don't have any other explanation for the amount of loyalty this game has. Not only that, the concept and everything presented so far looks derivative at best. It was a shock to me but a lot of people don't seem to grasp that some problems can't be solved by throwing money at them, if the core idea is a slop, even with a billion dollars will it remain a slop, albeit overproduced.
I have never seen so many people happy to part with so much money for empty promises of 'revolutionary tech' that never works since that Scientology documentary.
In a forum, I asked “when is this masterpiece coming out?” Some dude replied “check back in five years.” I was like “aight bet”. That was 5 years ago. I pmed the dude, he’s still active on the forums. The dude ghosted me when I said “they closed the star citizen megathread so I have to pm. It’s been five years, should I wait another five? I’ll be 38 then. Yikes!”
I love streamers don't get me wrong but something about me working 9 hours a day and getting off having to hear my favorite complain that he's working so hard when he's only streamed 2 hrs a day for like 4 days in a week making what I make for several days in a hour or so lmao, not socially online or anything but that's such an outta touch thing to say lmao. They do it in a half joking way but they've been streaming so long I feel they're outta touch.
@cMind607 tell me about it bro, i work in construction all day just for me to not even afford a decent ship and when i want to play it for not even an hour the game doesnt work wish they would fix the game first before adding extra systems and ships, already 12 years old yet still a demo
I love the idea of this game but the fact that they after 13 years of development and hundreds of millions of dollars dont even have a estimated release date is a massive red flag and i would be surprised if the game ever reaches a 1.0 release let alone live up to the hype.
@@yous2244 A game that did what it promised only after 1.0 release you mean ? I think it is not the good argument you think it is, if anything it is an argument against your point. Because it is a game that released incomplete with little to do then got to feature parity compared to what promised at the time of release and still get new updates to this day. If anything it is closer to SC than any other game. I mean, I paid for SC a long time ago played more than an hundred hours and will get all new gameplay for free. So using as an example a game were the 1.0 was just a version number in the game long and continued history (as the person you responded claimed), yeah, not very smart.
@@G0DKILLER_ how can you exist in 2024 and still not get the concept of version numbers or that people actually like it when devs continue to update their MMOs
tbh what scam? i buyed it for 40€ and even today its playable and has more features than Elite Dangerous. you can have hundreds of hours of fun and maybe we will see more features and bigger servers later on. But even if we dont see that, it was still worth those 40 bucks. I mean how many dollars are spent on games to play a 30-40 hour campaign AND THATS IT. some ppl coming around and complaiing how buggy it was etc. i dont care: i play it now and it works and i have fun i want a spacegame, but there is NONE expect SC that offers this unique set of abilities
The game isn't a scam. I bought a ship for 110 dollars and had hundreds of hours of fun. Do you know how stressful it can be to run a cargo of drugs lol. Spend 40 bucks and check it out. It can be a buggy mess at times but damn it's a great time when you know what you're doing.
@@Ahtalon sure that's fine, cause you arent a backer, you didnt support the game in kick starter, you just got it at when it's stable, but completely miss the context for those who backed the game over a decade ago and still havent gotten the thing they backed up, that's why its called a scam, learn to understand context
I love this game but god they just suck too much money out of people. Their marketing team used FOMO tactics way too often. From a technical standpoint what CIG is trying to pull off I'm impressed but they are constantly under delivering
Star Citizen doesn't use FOMO as far as I know. All of the things you can spend real world money on are available until they've been implemented in-game where you can just play the game to get them. FOMO would be micro transactions akin to Fortnite where you have a limited time to make the purchase before the content is inaccessible to you
@@retroneer5824bro they only sell certain ships in small time windows and raise the price between buy windows. Thats pretty much straight up fomo marketing (buy it now or price will be 20% higher next time sucker).
@@retroneer5824 While what you said is partially true, Robert Space Industries uses FOMO often to raise money. Artificial scarcity during ship sales and on ships that come with lifetime insurance, and ship liveries that can only be purchased during special events. Yes you could say that those things can eventually be purchased when the game comes out, but since that is an indeterminate amount of time, people will inevitably feel they are "missing out" if they don't buy them now, because they won't be able to use said things in the persistent universe pre-release if they don't.
TH-cam video: "New NMS update FINALLY added everything they promised!" (Half of the video talks about the launch instead of the update) Comments on said video: "Greatest redemption in gaming." (Not at all talking about the new update) Reply to comment: "Too bad game still sucks and is boring." Reply to reply: "Maybe it's just not your type of game." Every fucking time.
@@Aubreysangel666 That's more on you than it is on them at that point. If there were anyone who should be forgiven in the the industry, it's them. The world would be a lot colder if there is absolutely no chance to ever regain favor. There would be no reason to ever fix a mistake.
Since this studio announced the development of this game. I graduated high school, got married, graduated flight school, got promoted to captain, and now I'm soon about to be a father.
Congrats! So, when you are a grandpa, retired and relaxing at a beach house somewhere, your grandchildren can tell you how the game promises a lot and is jank AF. XD
@@Deboo-oz2rb by the time your remains have fully turned to dust the devs will finally give a release date... for the early access version 0.0000001 on steam for a price of 500$ and 50k dlc´s each priced around 1200$.
Elite Dangerous is many times better as an actual playable game and they announced colonization which is pretty much owning a star system and building bases and stations there.
As a star citizen backer since 2014, *cook their ass, Muta.* They won't listen to backers, and for the longest time they were only listening to artists, not gameplay devs. Chef Muta. Please. Cook. Them. full-pot roast. Gournet sear. I want a _good_ game, they aren't making a good game (trying, but they keep missing the forest for the trees, and marketing has WAY too much power). All they've done so far is make pretty assets for a game. Starfield is pretty. Starfield is boring. Starfield was more of a complete game on launch than SC is now, after 10 years. Whatever it takes. I want the game. Not a tech demo. Not a proof of concept for a fork of someone else's engine. The game. please. I have money waiting to be spent on a game.... not art. a full-ass game. Make the game, and my money will spend itself... It already did when I thought they were making a game. It stopped when all we got was theories of imagination that turned into art, rather than complete systems, stability, working features, and fun that lasts longer than the 15m before your next 30k... on days when the servers are good. If they have to cut down _again_ from 5 systems to 2 or 3 to deliver on having a full game with a complete progression loop... Do it. Once you have a working template you can add to it. we don't need every planet. We need the tech that builds them within weeks or months. We don't need every craftable.We need the system that turns static assets and slots them into the craftable system... then all you need to do is initial art/modeling, gameplaya pass to make sure its actually fun, and click "insert into loot table". And if it's not fun, delete it.
The issue is they keep overpromising. I swear if they just got their shit together and said they wouldn't deliver everything, but that they'd release fewer content in a fun playable state, that's all that matters.
@@Noganite @Noganite think "tough love." So this is me, not defending them when they're getting dragged on socials for being unable to produce a complete product with over 700 million dollars and 12+ years of time to make something work. And also encouraging the people who are doing it because when we backers do it... well when we aren't care-bear flowery sugar coating our concerns in their own forums, when we say "this thing other games solved a decade ago, shouldn't be a problem for you" ... those get deleted by the devs. NONE of the modern, _single_ player games we have today that are considered "epic” (Elden Ring, Wukong) need 12+ years and almost a billion dollars. Just saying. Don't get me wrong I hope the project goes somewhere. But the only place it's gone, with the time and resources they've spent, is staight back to asking for more money and more time ”make the dream real." So maybe voices they *can't* silence is what they need to get things actually moving forward. I'm mostly amused... It's like, "oh, right... it's the 2020s. The best way to be "heard" by a company is to roast them on socials and @ their executives, and then make that go viral so they can't pretend not to have seen it.”
@@enderchicken1 I mean it's a video of an anticipated unreleased game. No wonder you'll have the early birds flocking on every single video that's about their game.
Chris Roberts tried to do Star citizen kinda with freelancer back in the day in like 2003 I think. Sadly microsoft bought his studio and immediately told him to scale down the game and just release it. Game was good whatever got in, but sadly it never got to be as good as ti could have been. Star Citizen is a new attempt and this time there's no publisher telling you finish it fast to make a game light on content for big bucks. Also throwing money at a problem doesn't necessarily make the problem get solved faster. Though they do have 6 studios and over 1000 employees working on star citizen and the single player part squadron 42. I think rockstar has also like something like +200 people always working on like GTA games, but the yhave that on day 1, star citizen started as a kickstarter with like less than 12 people so they have had to scale up the studios too while they making the game.
@@solidsnake5051 don't confuse them with facts. They would rather blindly hate on a project that currently helps to feed and house 1,000 people and their families.
@JoziWOW it is released. Has not been stamped for release. It's playable now. With 100m bugs and alot of content missing. Fun nonetheless with friends. It an eternally progressing game. That's the idea. Never ending updates. It just needs to reach the "playabel Without 100m bugs" state. Years more to go. 😭
Star Citizen Kickstarter - which I was eager to back- came online in 2012. I was just married. My daughter was born in 2013 and she is 11 now, sitting next to me, playing Roblox with a keyboard and a mouse. I told her the story of Star Citizen, how that game is older than her and still not finished. She gave me this face: 😯 Unfortunately she is not interested in space games to inherit my account. I'm pretty much convinced that I will never play that game in a final form. By 2031 I will be too old and who knows if there will be any desktop computers by then.
Interesting how much time has passed and it's still in alpha, I remember hearing about it some years ago when I was like 10 years old , nowadays I'm almost 18 and it's still unreleased 😅😅😅
As someone who’s put 550 into the project, glad to finally find a comment section not filled with unpaid CIG gunt guards huffing copium like galaxy gas the moment you do anything short of say Chris Robert’s is to video game development what Elon Musk is to the Commercially Space industry. The community is so notorious for aggressively shooting down any form of criticism that it almost feels like a crypto projects at times. Then again given all I have is ships and no game, I suppose it is more of an NFT than anything in its current state.
I was starting to get into this game until the "ship store". It's not a matter of price it's the fact that they'll make the ship grind so boring that people will give up and buy the ship with real money and I just don't like that kind of stuff in videogames.
idk about them forcing people to buy by making the grind intolerable. i really enjoyed the grind there is enough guides out there if your new to earn easy money+ you can interact with some real nice people who can give you a hand playing with others is always more fun. I started on ground based combat in a avenger titan (starter ship) moved on to bounty hunts and ended up saving enough aUEC (In game curancy) to afford a Drake vulture and solo salvage to earn money for my org (clan) now which is like 600k every hour if ithe locations are close enough, its not a bad grind all in all. it probably took no more than 50 hours to achieve. Iv also had some of the best interactions in gaming in SC (dayz is an easy second due to its voip) made many a friend You may find the grind boring and thats fair since its your opnion but its how i find a game like dead by daylight boring its just not my thing
And that is something that the figures of this game you would never bring up. They say you could earn money to buy ships by playing the game but they never mentioned that the only way to do it or the most boring things imaginable. They never mentioned that you have to have zero social life in order to grind for even the cheapest ship
10:30 It's definitely not pay to win, it's more pay to progress. Skill level will ALWAYS be above how 'good' a ship is in star citizen. Larger ships come with crew requirements, which require multiple people for them to be even remotely effective. You can have every single ship in the game but a more skilled pilot will always be better, no expections.
A game in alpha shouldn’t be that graphically polished, and the same goes for voice acting, most studios typically hold off on those details until the core game systems are complete. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire trailer segment was specifically curated to drive pre-sales, and the crunch period was intended just to ensure that the hour-long gameplay demo looked "perfect." Honestly, I wouldn’t even be shocked if the section they showcased is most of what they actually have finished, with the rest of the game barely existing or not existing at all. When the game’s stability is this poor, it suggests either extreme incompetence on the developers' part or that the core mechanics are far from complete. With one segment of the game (about an hour of content) looking so polished while the overall stability is lacking, I genuinely think the rest of the game might not even exist yet.
@@yous2244 There's no open beta / alpha, the only people that would be playing would be developers and they don't need graphics and voice acting to develop the game. That would be up to QA testers which usually don't get their hands on the game until late the alpha early beta stage of the game.
Today I taught my son a very important lesson. Passing on our lineage. He may only be 2 right now, but goddamnit we will NOT go extinct before my Star Citizen pre order is fulfilled. Even if it’s to my grandkid.
Remember, for CIG to survive, it needs new suckers. Unfortunately, new suckers aren't born every day any more. Hence the announcement that Squadron 42 will "totally be released in 2027 we swear" and other shenanigans.
Squadron 42 is in Beta phase, meaning it is finished and content complete. They showed a Live gameplay even in this video. The only thing left for them to do is squash bugs / crashes.
They've been overdosed on copium since like 2015/2016. There's a reason people call them a cult lol. Almost every single thing promised has been "a year away" for most of a decade. It's insane.
They keep doing ui and quality of life updates rather than fixing the bugs. The fanboys just tell you to shut up, but it's literally the worst virtually unplayable alpha I've ever partook in.
They literally scuttled a bunch of features from 4.0 just so they can get server meshing done and focus on BUG FIXES and STABILITY and all on the forums, and reddit, and youtube, a bunch of people are complaining that CIG is removing game features to focus on BUG FIXES and STABILITY. It is absolutely hilarious to me to see that people are never satisfied with anything CIG does and all people do is lavish them with negativity and complain.
I have no regard for the 'uncommonplace' of crunch within video games or tech in general. No employee should have their personal time removed by managerial mandate--that's a management issue to be rectified by management and most likely due to mismanagement.
its not mismanagement, it's executives rushing programmers and artists to meet deadlines that are convenient for the current market situation, novelty release dates (looking at Bethesda), and logistics (factories that need to assemble the physical case and the online stores that distribute them).
I remember when I was just a 16 year old kid saving up my allowance for this. And since then I graduated highschool, college, worked 2 jobs, fired from those jobs, built my own business, married, and had one daughter.
And now you must see it through in his place, understand this is the game every space sim lover dreams of, every other game is half assed, dumbed down to meet release schedules etc etc, but not this one, yes it sucks that its taking this long, but they're taking this long to make sure the game is everything we've ever wanted
@@nojuanatall3281 Your actually just not thinking straight. Have you seen how much money Ubisoft, EA, Microsoft poor into yearly slop? SC is nothing in comparison to that.
I had a friend who was dead set that this was going to be the best game ever. We tried to get through one “quest” and not only where we not able to do it we wasted around 6 hours believing we were doing the quest only to like, not really do anything.
Because it is. It has suffered from feature creep since year 1. The devs don't know how to just draw a line in the sand. It's also been 10+ years, so the longer in development, the more they feel they have to update everything.
THIS! Nobody wants to admit this. At least not the fanatic fanboys, they'll say the old "i'am mature enough to understand what an alpha is...if you can't comprehend such a concept why are you here? Why complain. Go away." xD I swear this game is one step forward 10 backwards at every damn patch. The immersive gameplay these folks keep yapping about is their damn roleplay and imagination gymnastics they keep doing. Cause if you want to play this by doing missions or trying to go into a gameplay loop, you'd better have nerves of steel and a huge bullshit tolerating gut...
@@fgm-148javelin3 Well, reading and comprehension is important that's most likely why you don't understand 🤣. And to be fair it was a rant. Anyway to put it short as you said 12 years and still broken game. Try to do a 3 point courier mission, it will most likely break at some point. But hey it's fun and immersive when you roleplay and make scenarios in your mind.
maybe craming every aspect of this game into a single game is a bad idea, it should be more like a launcher that lets you play separate instances while everthing is under the same name, like fortnite it may not be the same because inmersion and shie but honestly hardware is still not to that point where we can make a game so big and make it run
Man, can you imagine (if) the game ever gets out of Alpha and full launches, there’s going to be a literal FACTION of players (probably close to 10,000 or more) that will band together as the “OGs” and only accept people if they were pledgers in the first 1-2 years and CONSISTENTLY stuck with it for the entire (x) amount of years to join. The level of narcissism and “I’m better than you” genuinely makes me nauseated just thinking about it because it absolutely WILL HAPPEN (due to how humans just naturally function). All because they were too stupid to move on, even if it does fully release and there’s a lot of game time they got out of it, this has still been a complete farce in every sense of that word…
If anyone has actually played it it’s not all that great with the server issues constantly resetting your progress. If I wanted to lose all my gear I just spent an hour collecting around 1 shopping center, wake up in a hospital light years away and then can’t recall my ship because of some dumb issue. That’s not good game design. Taking a 2 hour detour to get back to square 1, which took you 1 hour to even get too, after something you have no control over derails you is not fun. Always respawning at the same hospital whether you are 1 foot away vs 10 light years is bad design. Having a player have to insurance claim their ship (and wait another 5-10 mins) when it wasn’t destroyed is bad. I get the immersion factor but what kills immersion for me is losing half a day of “progress” because stepping off my ship carrying a box disintegrated my spinal cord and I have to spend the rest of my day to try to ATTEMPT to get my stuff back.
I recently just got star citizen, and it would be a fun game as it currently stands if it didn't glitch out every 5 seconds. The instant death when drinking water is my currently favorite one. Or the still glitched elevators, or the glitched shuttles, or the glitchy ship doors or the.....
@@Demonic-i9j if thats your interpretation of "good gameplay" then im shocked at how low gamers will accept something like that as a good thing. OK where is the gameplay loop? where is the ship balance? where is quanta (economy)? where is optimizations because currently the live servers run like literal trash. I couldnt care less about seemless flight from ground to space or walking around a ship, that isnt gameplay, thats just a glorified tech demo that you can literally shit together in UE5 :D
Callling it now, there is going too be several technological leaps in advancements that CIG and CE will have no choice but too update their graphics entierly from the gound up I mean, 2 gaming generations have already passed since this was first announced too be crowd funded on kick starter, what's another 15 generations am I right?
They are already and always doing that -- raytracing and global illumination are coming down the pipeline next. And they are implementing dynamic volumetric cloud-covered weather systems on a planetary scale. There is no game or game engine doing that.
The sad thing about Star Citizen is that if only the guy had JUST started his studio by making a modern version of Freelancer (which was pretty fun btw), we'd likely have a game by now and his whole company would have a much better PR. Then he could had used that base to keep building upon it to eventually land with something akin to what he wants Star Citizen to be.
Almost like the 'game' isn't even the game anymore, now 'games' revolve around massive online 'communities', as developers don't even seem to want to make actual games like they did in what is to the average player these days, medieval times, with publishers who don't want to actually publish anything yet want to implement subscription 'service' models based on nothing but promises. Empty promises. Yet people willingly buy in as if that itself were the game they enjoy so convincingly multiple actual patents from multiple companies exist blatantly exploiting such 'features'. On the plus side at least this game may lend some hope HL3 will appear at some point at least before this. Good times.
24:40 Maybe you missed it when looking it up, but a few things about the state of server meshing in SC: -It has been in test for nearly a year now. It was in evocati (servers for the most dedicated players, typically under NDA) for a long time, and when you started seeing it on youtube was around the time it went into PTU (test servers), which was way later. -The video in question was from a stress test on PTU. These are the kinds of tests they can't do on evocati as there are just that much fewer evocati players available at once. They first put the usual 100 players, waited 30 minutes to see if there was no issue, then increased the limit, and continued on every 30 minutes until reaching a 1000 players. Of course, the experience wasn't great, but finding the pain points was part of the goal. There's a retrospective on the SC channel about what they got from this and other tests later on, as well as what they've worked on relating to networking. -The goalpost for a feature to be available in PU is simply for it to work as expected. That's why they release as v0. Any feature that is still in PTU doesn't have any expection of working correctly, they are buggy. Before the new renderer and Vulkan support were added early this year, both were in and out of evocati for a long time, with the new renderer being in PTU for while as they worked out the kinks. -The most difficult part about server meshing isn't really the architecture, though it did require a lot of thinking, but the part where a lot of moving parts have to work very well to get a worthwhile result. Static server meshing had a working demo in live for citizencon 2023, but that was with two local servers, on two local machines. There was no networking delay, variation, or effective bandwidth limit, no particular load on the server, the environment wasn't the PU with hundreds of thousands of entities but instead a few wide white boxes on which they spawn players, weapons, and vehicles.
The game I have turned into a galactic fight for survival with Armored Cores, space fighters and angry bug aliens rapidly coming to reeducate and relocate humanity into the soil as the factions continue to tear each other apart. Mods are life.
There is no incentive to release a game when people keep paying you to finish it. Say what you like they've milked an extraordinary amount of cash out of this.
SINCE Star Citizen games LIKE Elite Dangerous!? Elite was around way before Star Citizen and the Kickstarter for the FOURTH sequal Elite Dangerous I believe was live before the one for Star Citizen too. To each their own but Elite was the pioneer in this type of space game. It had the entire known galaxy mapped out on a 720k floppy disk in the 90s!
it doesn't have the whole known galaxy, there are only 256 planets per galaxy (with 8 galaxies) but it is impressive for it's time, it's all procedurally generated with some hand chosen names, the real milky way has billions of planets these numbers were probably chosen due to the limitation of 8-bit hardware
You really touched my heart with this video. So much to say. One of the last of aging Boomers. Watched the Mercury Missions, The Gemini Missions, and the Apollo Missions. We were promised a future as "big as the Sun." A quote from the Principal of my 6th Grade Public School. On the night of the first Moon Landing, my Great Grandmother, a woman who defended her stolen property, with a shotgun (Jeezuz...you guys are still around?), from some of the last of Indigenous Americans said, "I've seen enough". We are less than 100 hours away from dealing with the scion of a documented Crime Family. So...fellow Commenters, I would now direct you to the smash 1968 Broadway Musical, "Promises, Promises". Thank you for making this space available, Mutahar. Witness the degradation of language with the glib responses. It will be a hoot.
@@IronPhysik And they go even further than that in some cases. Around 2020, I spent $800 over about a month. Eight months after that, I asked for a refund of about $600, and they did it without question. I have since spent another $2000 over four years. I don't regret spending this much, I have had probably 3000 hours played total so it's probably cost me less than $1 per hour to play (considering the amount of 30, 40, 50, and 60 dollar games I have on Steam with under 10 hours played this is a bargain).
@maineman5757 No Problem The game needs work and likely won't be for anyone. I like it and enjoy playing it, and of you want to give the game another chance you can hit me up to run some missions, the new player experience is rough
@@Demonic-i9j That's an outright lie lol and Muta is mistaken too. There's a ton of ships they sell which has not released in game, from things like the Merchantsman (unreleased for over a decade) and the capital ships, like the Javelin for $2000-3000, which they sell during events and it's been SoonTM for over half a decade now. As well as any limited ships or newly released ships. Shop only.
Nah. The next two years they will hold out. Even if people stop giving them a lot of money. After that the singleplayer stand alone drops and with that will fund many more years.
@@slowshadow2669They spend as much as they take in and their expenses as of two years ago was $120M a year. Quarter of billion is a lot to raise in two years. SQ42, even if successful will first be used to pay the Calder’s investment back. Last I checked it was over $130M due to them but would grow to around $150M assuming the 2025 release. SQ42 already has millions of sells that won’t get applied to that $150m total so they will need the game to be a big success to just cover that. I fear very little money will go back into the PU.
I personally can't wait for Star Citizen 1.0 to come out in 5000002024. It'll be a nice distraction from the Sun becoming a red giant and roasting the Earth
original release date for SQ42 was slated for 2014.... game have alreacy been delayed by 10 whole years, BUT 2 more years will be enough now? until their shit is available to buy i wont believe them.
That wasn't a release date, it was an initial projection window for when they had planned on finishing the first iteration of the game. That was the year window they posted on their kickstarter in 2012 and that window was updated back in 2013 when the community voted on extended stretch goal. The only people still pressed over that are people who never actually bothered paying attention passed the handful of taglines that pop up on overblown IGN articles and uninformed talking head videos.
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Muta hope you read this, but when are you gonna release the just stop oil movement video you promise to make 3 months ago?
i had like 10k into it an stopped playing bc they lowered skill sealing so much that it wasnt fun anymore.... so sad... all cool sci fi games get crsuhed by "establiashment"...
You prefer yams. 🍠
sponsorskip has my back covered on this one ghee wizz
I purchased two packages at launch. One for myself and one for my son.
My son has since graduated high school and college, moved out, gotten married, and has his own kids.
SC… still in alpha
That's just 2 more Crew for your multicrew ships I don't see a problem...
A lot of games take time to develop, yes this is a long time but it's also a ground-up game that goes beyond most.
So yeah, not surprised.
no you didnt, you have the same usrname as your youtube name, you bought the basic back in 2021
its the gift that keeps on giving
you invested. His grandkids will be able to fly those ships!
Ever taken a shit where it stops halfway? Then you take a big breath, struggle and double down trying to squeeze it out. Only to have it break off with the other half still inside you and be left red faced, gasping for air and back to square one. That's s.c development....
You know this is a perfect comparison but I hate you for the imagery thanks
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
This comment made me bust out laughing.
😂😂😂😂 fully dead
I hate how this is relatable lmaoo
By the time Star Citizen actually releases, we'll probably have achieved interstellar space travel and discover what the One Piece is
one piece will never end!!
@@SyntaxError0287nah bro we're in some end game stuff rn, it'll still take years and years but in the one piece timeline, the end is near.
And what was in the Pulp Fiction suitcase
we have achieved exosolar space travel, does that count?
This is for young Mutahar III.
Congratulations on getting to play Star Citizen. Your grandpa was a legit dude, and we all felt his loss when he passed away after catching one of the 10,000 computer viruses he loaded into a PC for a video.
And said "pretty much" pretty much way too much. Pretty much in my opinion.
@@shabath Literally he also said "literally", literally all the time. Bless him.
You seem like a pretty cool guy, I hope your Spooky Octoberween is good,
Mutahar III : Reading this while applying an actual citizenship of Colonized & Terraformed Mars.
RIP
One day, I'll be seventy, and Star Citizen will still be in development.
I don't think we will see star citizen be completed for 7 generations to come
dude, youre already 69, r u saying it comes out in the next weeks?
Their whole dev team will be dead, their children working on it, billions of dollars raised
We will see Citizen Con 3000 before it launches...
"Dude, but can you imagine how the game will be when it launches next century?"
In 2018 I read a Forbes money article that was an interview with a former executive of CIG. He quit and went to the press because Chris Robert’s and his wife had #1 spent millions of the crowd sourced funds for SC on a mansion in pacific palisades CA for themselves and #2 kept scraping the game and starting over when ever a new engine was available. As long as money keeps coming in, Robert’s will just keep moving the goal posts while paying himself and his wife millions a year each as a salary. The former executive said the game will never release until CIG comes up with a new source of income or when people stop giving him money because once they stop taking in funds the gravy train will end for Roberts.
dont let the scam citizens defenders see this. it will ruin their fantasy 😂
@@Dj.MODÆO you know its all true because you cant even joke about it in the cults echo chambers
Right, can you source the "engine change", please?
So you have the article saved somewhere ? Couldnt find it.
@@goldxahn5247 are you even trying to find it? just a single google and the articles are all over the search result
I've heard someone say Star Citizen is the first game that has created the "Development as a Service" concept in the industy.
no that was Steam Greenlight system and "early access" that created that culture
@@Robbie-mw5uu Steam Greenlight wasn't a game, though, was it?
World of Warcraft, EVE?
@@smalltime0 I was also confused for a few seconds. He's joking.
Games you mentioned are Games as a service. GAAS.
@@Robbie-mw5uu no it wasnt
Squadron 42 has been "2 years away from release" for a decade.
Tyler Witkin supposedly played SQ42 start to finish in 2016. Don't ask what happened to that finished build of the game (that nobody ever saw).
@@ChucksSEADnDEADdon’t worry man, it’s real it just goes to a different school.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD they didn't like it. Chris Roberts made a big announcement that it did not meet the standards they wanted to set. If you watch game play videos in 2016 you would understand why the game wasn't ready. Graphically there's a huge difference.
@@Toutvidsthe game wasn't ready because they kept expanding the scope of what they wanted to do, strictly the PU features, as well as the engine choice.
S42 should not have taken this long for them to get out unless they were suffering SERIOUS infrastructure issues, because all the Jesus tech that's been holding up the project only helps the PU, S42 doesn't need server meshing or their planet generation tech.
Last I heard, they switched to a new engine as well, this one being their own custom engine instead of the patch worked Frankenstein thing they created from Cryengine. To them long enough.
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Not a single defender of Star Citizen will be alive to play it when it's finally finished.
Remember, their future kids might defend It and so forth!
I hope it's never "finished", so it keeps evolving
Back in the Wing Commander days, Chris Roberts had a firm deadline and a producer on his back, keeping him grounded. That leash gave us a completed game instead of a perpetual dream. Fast-forward to Star Citizen, and without those restrictions, Roberts is off in the cosmos, pushing for perfection in every nook and cranny-including a fully functional, physics-based coffee machine in the middle of a space combat game. This isn’t just a little extra; it’s the kind of feature that delayed actual gameplay, like space combat and core mechanics, all for the sake of an interstellar espresso.
Then there’s the whole “biggest MMO server ever” idea, which demanded tech that still doesn’t even exist. Meanwhile, the team’s been stuck endlessly reworking designs, burning through cash, and barely keeping up with a list of features that seem to grow faster than they can build them. So here we are, millions of dollars and years later, with fans waiting for the galaxy that Roberts promised, while his coffee machine and half-built planets stare back like silent reminders that sometimes, a leash isn’t a bad thing.
Well, server meshing isn't quite "tech that still doesn't even exist" it exist, on Minecraft.
Which is a more predictable game with a lot less going on in it generally even with mods, so yeah, they are probably never getting server meshing at this point
Yeah cept the moment you look under the hood, that's a load of BS.
There's nothing perfection or indeed even completion in *any* nook and cranny.
Crack that game open, decompress the models and look at them in the blender.
They all look half finished meshes that have been abruptly abandoned as the creator's whims have taken them elsewhere.
To be fair a lot of these extra features like the coffee mechine doesn't delay the game. Thwg have a lot of devs and those devs working on networking etc have nothing to do with the people working on coffee mechines
In CIGs defence (and devils advocate), squadron 42 has been eating most of their resources and holy shit that demo shows it. As well, once the milestone of server meshing and a second new system is introduced and polished (Pyro) everything else, in theory, should fall into place. Those are the biggest hang ups atm in my opinion. Once they prove the concept, everything else is just minor iterations on copy and paste and fine tuning gameloops. Exploration just needs POIs and the ability to earn money, cargo needs economy which needs server meshing, ai needs stability which needs server meshing ECT ECT.
The question is can CIG keep up once they hit their stride.
@ThreeGoddesses the stupidity and copium of some people
We'll get GTA 6 before star citizen is done
😂😂
We'll get Shenmue 4 before this thing is finished.
Wtf is Shenmue?
@@Boss-Possum A game and game series. It's easier to google these things yourself, you know.
We will get GTA 7...
My biggest problem with "immersion" and being "realistic" is that 90% of the stuff you do are chores: you have to do them, even if you don't like them.
And now a game is being made to simulate different chores, between short, entertaining sessions.
Also, what do you think, when exactly did this project become a sunk cost fallacy?
Then, as muta said, play Arena Commander.
Realistic toilet unclogging gameplay is core to my fantasy.
One of my favorite things on TH-cam for over a decade has been watching people roast Star Citizen. And "a decade "is no exaggeration.
It kind of goes to show how little people have going on in their lives. I don't waste time looking up things I don't like to watch an hour of someone "roasting" something I don't like. That's bizarre.
@@Billy-bc8pk and yet, here you are.
People care about SC and want it badly to succeed. This entire video is a summary of what the community discussed at some point.
I don’t care about the game Concord by firewalk studios so I don’t follow any content reviewing that game, but I do like to keep up with SC content- good or bad.
@@Billy-bc8pk i bet you spent THOUSANDS on virtual spaceships which barely function
@@RovingTroll I have -- but they function just fine, I'm just not the best pilot.
Don’t worry once Chris Robert’s develops an engine, super computers, cures cancer and ends world hunger they’ll a start development for real you gotta just trust the process bro.
A delayed game is eventually good, A rushed game is forever bad
(Sarcasm)
Btw for those who think I’m just a hater I want you to know I spent close to $2,000 on this game and desperately wanted this game to succeed as I haven’t experienced any other game like this.
Yet I don’t think it ever will come out
my money has been wasted and I was burned just like many other “backers”
I hope it doesn't succeed to show this way of game developing is pure dog poo
You deserve to be scammed if you spent that much on a DITW project like this.
@@elzach0I was thinking its kinda obvious 😅
you can just see used car salesman on his face and attitude. actually in this case, a future hypothetical car that could exist, but you have to pay up front.
I backed the "game" in 2012. Seeing as it was a scam (they were making huge post to explain how they invented the stamina system at the time) I sold my ships shortly after the hangar module for more money than they were worth because I had lifetime insurance. I still have access to the "game". A few years back I logged into this insane high budget and completely fucked up fever dream and it was hilarious: T posing guards, ship yeeting me out at mach 20 when I enter, and my favorite: I fell through the floor and died. Now let us think about what this entails in a multiplayer game:
I could not render a corridor and I fell through it. Then I died. Do you know what it means? It means all the game logic is client side. Including physics. In a "space sim". Again. The client decides where you stand, if you live or die. This is absolutely hilarious, it's going to be a gigantic cheater fest, you can probably decide who lives or die and teleport anywhere just by modifying some variables in memory.
I bring this up regularly to people who "play" this game around me and they fail to understand what it means every time, because anyone who simps for CR has an iq of exactly 12. They are a cult.
No one said they invented the stamina system. If you can't be bothered to pay attention, then this game was never for you.
sounds about right
well they have the best anti cheat in the world, easy anti cheat, so I don't see that as a problem, also it's not client side, it's just that servers tick are really low to detect that you are on smth, which is gonna disappear in 4.0 with server meshing. (Also I don't play this game, I'm just interested to where this game is going)
@Kallax2 easy anti cheat is a joke, does not prevent cheating and you absolutely cannot the most abusive types of cheat there are 8f you trust the client - which is what they do. If they let you fall through a server and die, because you couldn't render a floor, it means that your computer did that game processing on its own and told the server that you died. And the server ran with it. That's a simple fact, cheating is already in through this. This opens the door the the most god mode types of cheat, like the shit we could see in Arma a while ago, where people would teleport everyone on a server in the sky or spawn aircraft carriers all over the map.
@tohkai1959 how is easy anti cheat a joke, it's the same anti cheat as valorant and the best in the world do your research. As for the client side falling through thanks for correcting me, but I watched many livestreams of 3.24.2 and never saw someone go through the floor
by the time star citizen comes out, maybe real life space travel will be accessible
like i will be a real life star senior citizen hopefully
With the way Elon is going it almost already is so you're right
@@Jacobtheunwise lol no, nowhere near ready 🤣😂 Elons been saying next year for fsd since before star citizen was saying it
Elon and Chris have a lot in common.
@@tessabowers3496
Did you see the Starship IFT5 launch and landing?
Rocket science is hard, but SpaceX has made more progress than anybody else in the business of space travel in decades.
Hello and greetings everyone, I am a time traveller from the year 2047 and i'm here to tell you that Star Citizen is in alpha 6.38. We are sooo close to getting the full release i am so excited!!!
He's lying... He was born in 2600. So it's probably closer to 2647.
My brother was so excited this game. He died 2 years ago... And Star Citizen is STILL in development. Im angry on his behalf
It's not supposed to ever be released. It's supposed to be a permanent job, with minimal work involved for those onboard the staff
Like IRL NASA 😂(laughing in Constellation/SLS/Starliner)
No hate to the ppl that joined the team for that reason alone, i would
look at mojang if you want to see what actual minimal work looks like
Counter: GTA Online. Has that been released? How much money did that make?
Just saying, that aluminati hat don't make much sense.
guess what? you can release a game and still add new content.
They literally made a roadmap to a roadmap.
They removed the road map because they literally couldn't meet any of the targets and were annoyed that people kept pointing it out. So now there's just a vague sugguestion of what they're doing. Nobody knows when anything will be done lol.
The Down the Rabbit Hole episode on Star Citizen is eight years old, fyi.
Dear god.
Same with MandaloreGaming. Here's his four year old pinned comment update:
"Still no plans on any kind of update video, since stuff like selling land/in-game money is just more of the same issues in a different coat of paint. Predictions of course were wildly inaccurate since I didn't suspect the game was ludicrously farther behind than what they showed in their attempt to sell tickets to CitizenCon 2016."
I wouldn't blame him for not doing an update ever. He runs "I review old and/or obscure games" -channel, not a commentary channel. The first video was already bit out of his wheelhouse.
Hey guys I just woke up from a coma. Man, I can’t wait to play Concord
Oof 😂
Trust me, those weird dreams you had while you were in the Coma were WAY better than Concord. Just go back to sleep.
at the very least, Sonic is good again.
...does someone want to tell him it's no longer possible to platinum?
Don't tell bro about Minecraft movie
Actual video at 1:35
I have ReVanced, but you're a hero for those who don't
Use sponsor block.
@@zach1727me too. I wouldn't have realized that skip was a whole 1 minute and a half if they didn't comment. Revanced doesn't just fight TH-cam, it skips these rather long sponsor spots too. Nobody has time for it.
Thanks bro even tho i have sponsorblock
+respect
At this point they simply don't want the game to be finished as that would end the scam.
Doubt it, more like they’re pulling in more money than they would if they launch
@@Yurio that's... what he said...
@@mitw153 lmao
@@Yurio you basically said the same thing lol
@@jamesbyrd3740 yeah I misread :/
They're pulling a Ubisoft and dumping all their money into making a game engine
(Halo Studios) Worked for us...
At least this is technically interesting.
their money?
@@mrtortoise3766u gave it to them it’s theirs
The engine has been done for years, they went to court and then settled in 2020. Shows how ignorant the critics are. Go tell Elon how to build spaceships next.
Sunk cost fallacy is SO strong with these people. Seriously. Imagine paying kickstarter loads for a gta server that doesn't have the game actually attached to it besides basic mechanics like "enter car"
1:35 when you wanna save in silent hill 2
I don’t get it
@@YodaOnABender its about the lighting
@@YodaOnABender then u havent played silent hill 2
But Muta, it's all about the game's potential and ambition. Star Citizen is doing something other space games won't and I'm excited to be along for the ride...is what I would have said if I had already invested thousands of dollars into Star Citizen and was suffering from the sunk cost fallacy.
You had in the first half ngl 😂
i mean they are do we really need another starfield
i have happily spent my 45€ for access to the game
there are so many generic, rushed and uninspired games out there already, so i dont blame CIG for being ambitious
if you want a star citizen without the things that make it "overambitious", its already out there, its called starfield, i heard its an amazing game
@@vliedtke Starpoint Gemini did it better
@@Swatmat Because all the industry is just about Starfields coming out, sure, lol. Even if that was the case, and that isn't the case, a game like Starfield is still better than no game, only marketing, and barebone, broken demos and pre-alphas, like Star Citizen...
Chris Roberts is the issue. He is the one introducing/incubating an insane amount of feature creep and micro-management of game mechanics/assets.
Yes... He has always been the issue. We all wanted to believe. But he is out of control.
But also the visionary.
Out of curiosity I tried reading about Freelancer (from people on who still play it) - it had very good systems hidden in game files (robust multiplayer for example, which is weird for a single player game :D - apparently 500 players online on a server was fine, while most games only support up to 16 on LAN)...
So it reinforced my belief he "knows" what he's doing, because if he managed to build such an amazing game in 2000s (and it is still very dumbed down because of Microsoft)... then SC can truly be the best game ever.
@@BeSk9991the issue with Freelancer was that he never did finish the game, he was way over budget and way past the deadline.
If what we're talking about is that he has good ideas, then sure, but that's hardly anything special.
What matters is being able to bring that vision to life, and knowing where to focus and when you back away from the unattainable.
His stubborness cost him the game he envisioned, but its quality is still incredible considering that it was never his full idea.
Compromise is not a bad thing.
People don't understand this is the Duke Nukem Forever model MINUS a publisher for NO ACCOUNTABILITY. Real life crowd funding means you OWN STOCK in the company. So professional funding has accountability, while these game funding scams have NONE. Also, these guys bought Descent and made Descent Underground. Also a scam. IT'S NOT AN ACCIDENT, IT'S DELIBERATE. THEY'RE SCAM ARTISTS.
He'll compromise when the money stops rolling in lol. But whales are gonna whale then complain when their ambitious game turns out to not be THEIR ambitious game they hoped and dreamed of.
Imagine raising almost a billion dollars for a game that is 10 years in development and still not officially launched, and then also have people still defending your project... smh
I get enough joy out of it for what I paid so I am happy. There are enough finished games I play 3 minutes of without ever touching it again. Weird how you take this so seriously😂
two games btw, not one
And still begging for more money!
Ive never even played this game, so I'm not defending it. But it seems like a lot of the money goes into creating the technology for the stuff in the game, and it seems like they are creating some really ambitious stuff.
@@Thomas-xd4cx but you are not playing it because it's good... You are playing it to try to prove you aren't a gullible sap that got scammed.
Remember, Microsoft had to reign in Chris Roberts on FREELANCER because it was almost three years over schedule. This is what happens when you don't ground your creatives, they just keep dreaming without results.
And if you do ground them and insert corporate deadlines/interests. You get concord.
Yup
@@Bootchairno you don’t, that is because of activism and putting money into ideas that have no audience and are in a oversaturated marketing
@@Bootchair so explain elden ring then? or wukong? they have investers and deadlines and produced some of the best games in the last few years. your argument is flawed
@@123TheCloopThat’s cause they had a set date and set everything. This is different compared to Star Citizen.
"Guys it's not a scam, they're crunching for 18 days straight!" isn't exactly the glowing endorsement that fans might think it is...
No bc its just not a scam…
It's a scam.
@@alastor8091 nah
@_m3kh170 ye.
@@alastor8091 nah
Funding Star Citizen is like buying an overpriced, almost empty bag of chips full of holes with a promise that you will someday, eventually, get the rest of the chips and holes patched up IF you continue to funnel absurd amounts of money in.
And if u want u can just not pay and just see 🤡
I want this game to be good, its COMPLETELY my vibe for both campaign & and multiplayer, but it's clear Chris Robert's doesn't know how to manage the project.
Which matches well with the early part of the video. I don't know if he just manages money wrong or if he pockets some of it, but either way it's just a wreck.
@@Argumemnonright? Having that much money and not having a good polished product is crazy. I get it's a big game but man it seems so cool just too unpolished.
I believe the problem is that they don't know when to stop managing a project. Everytime they reach completion they need to add more and more, and then once that is complete they need to add more and more. Now this has reached the point where it's no longer a fun sci-fi space game and now it's just an alternative roleplay simulation of what life will be like 100 years from now.
I really, really want to love this project. I played it years ago, quit because my PC couldn't handle it. Years later I've completely rebuilt a brand new god PC and i can finally run it the way it's intended and much like when I had my ass PC I'm still running into weird gameplay breaking bugs except now they're weird gameplay breaking bugs at a buttery smooth frame rate. And when I say weird game breaking bugs I'm not talking about complex interactions within the games engine, I'm talking about stupid things like your spaceship not being able to be assigned a damn hanger to spawn in. Or when it does spawn in the hanger, the damn hanger doors do not fully open which won't allow you to physically leave said hanger, and then your ship gets impounded for being abandoned in a hanger because you physically can not leave then the space police issue you a wanted token for "being a public nuisance". Really, really stupid things that are the kind of bugs you expect from a game that has launched MINUTES AGO in early access on steam. But no, these really are brand new amateur game breaking bugs people are encountering in a game as complex as this, that has been around for as long as this has, with almost a billion dollars thrown at this.
But hey, at least your space ship remembers the empty can of lemon lime soda you threw into the corner of it three weeks ago! Big win for space trash immersion!
honestly Chris Roberts has been doing a great job considering what his studio undertook, 2 games, a new engine, multiple groundbreaking techs, and all of this is being done with a brand new studio. All of that is incredibly impressive especially considering they haven't even raised the funding Ubisoft used to make the pile of shit known as skull and bones
Yeah I mean the project is not perfect by any means, I'd like things to be different and yet I'm STILL having more fun with it despite all the bugs, than other current AAA games lol
Star Citizen is as close to a video game based religion as one can get.
I don't have any other explanation for the amount of loyalty this game has. Not only that, the concept and everything presented so far looks derivative at best. It was a shock to me but a lot of people don't seem to grasp that some problems can't be solved by throwing money at them, if the core idea is a slop, even with a billion dollars will it remain a slop, albeit overproduced.
It's probably one of the best case study for sunk cost fallacy
Actually the haters seem to exabit far more cultish behaviors than actual players do
I have never seen so many people happy to part with so much money for empty promises of 'revolutionary tech' that never works since that Scientology documentary.
Idunno, FFXIV community would like to have words with you.... hahahaha
In a forum, I asked “when is this masterpiece coming out?” Some dude replied “check back in five years.” I was like “aight bet”.
That was 5 years ago. I pmed the dude, he’s still active on the forums. The dude ghosted me when I said “they closed the star citizen megathread so I have to pm. It’s been five years, should I wait another five? I’ll be 38 then. Yikes!”
It's a miracle that people still donate. A true example of the never dying hope of humanity!
I love streamers don't get me wrong but something about me working 9 hours a day and getting off having to hear my favorite complain that he's working so hard when he's only streamed 2 hrs a day for like 4 days in a week making what I make for several days in a hour or so lmao, not socially online or anything but that's such an outta touch thing to say lmao. They do it in a half joking way but they've been streaming so long I feel they're outta touch.
@@Icegrip12just stream then
@cMind607 tell me about it bro, i work in construction all day just for me to not even afford a decent ship and when i want to play it for not even an hour the game doesnt work
wish they would fix the game first before adding extra systems and ships, already 12 years old yet still a demo
And what's really messed up, they nerfed some older ships they sold to make way for new ships to replace them, if you buy them.
Almost US$0.09 per human alive right now by the way.
I love the idea of this game but the fact that they after 13 years of development and hundreds of millions of dollars dont even have a estimated release date is a massive red flag and i would be surprised if the game ever reaches a 1.0 release let alone live up to the hype.
even when it gets to 1.0 they said they are going to continue development, so idk what this whole idea of 1.0 is with people. 1.0 means nothing
@@G0DKILLER_ 1.0 means playable
@@G0DKILLER_full release means the game is playable. Look at No Man's Sky
@@yous2244 A game that did what it promised only after 1.0 release you mean ?
I think it is not the good argument you think it is, if anything it is an argument against your point.
Because it is a game that released incomplete with little to do then got to feature parity compared to what promised at the time of release and still get new updates to this day. If anything it is closer to SC than any other game. I mean, I paid for SC a long time ago played more than an hundred hours and will get all new gameplay for free.
So using as an example a game were the 1.0 was just a version number in the game long and continued history (as the person you responded claimed), yeah, not very smart.
@@G0DKILLER_ how can you exist in 2024 and still not get the concept of version numbers or that people actually like it when devs continue to update their MMOs
The weirdos in that community will still defend it to death, even though the scam is right in front of them, absolutely insane
tbh what scam?
i buyed it for 40€
and even today its playable and has more features than Elite Dangerous. you can have hundreds of hours of fun and maybe we will see more features and bigger servers later on.
But even if we dont see that, it was still worth those 40 bucks. I mean how many dollars are spent on games to play a 30-40 hour campaign AND THATS IT.
some ppl coming around and complaiing how buggy it was etc.
i dont care: i play it now and it works and i have fun
i want a spacegame, but there is NONE expect SC that offers this unique set of abilities
The game isn't a scam. I bought a ship for 110 dollars and had hundreds of hours of fun. Do you know how stressful it can be to run a cargo of drugs lol. Spend 40 bucks and check it out. It can be a buggy mess at times but damn it's a great time when you know what you're doing.
@@Ahtalon sure that's fine, cause you arent a backer, you didnt support the game in kick starter, you just got it at when it's stable, but completely miss the context for those who backed the game over a decade ago and still havent gotten the thing they backed up, that's why its called a scam, learn to understand context
@@Ahtalon it's like getting married to a divorced woman, you arent the ex husband who lost half his property
@@monkey1526 that's not the part where it's a scam, context matters
I love this game but god they just suck too much money out of people. Their marketing team used FOMO tactics way too often. From a technical standpoint what CIG is trying to pull off I'm impressed but they are constantly under delivering
Scam citizen will go down as the biggest scam in history, been saying this for a decade now
Star Citizen doesn't use FOMO as far as I know. All of the things you can spend real world money on are available until they've been implemented in-game where you can just play the game to get them. FOMO would be micro transactions akin to Fortnite where you have a limited time to make the purchase before the content is inaccessible to you
@@retroneer5824bro they only sell certain ships in small time windows and raise the price between buy windows. Thats pretty much straight up fomo marketing (buy it now or price will be 20% higher next time sucker).
@@retroneer5824 While what you said is partially true, Robert Space Industries uses FOMO often to raise money. Artificial scarcity during ship sales and on ships that come with lifetime insurance, and ship liveries that can only be purchased during special events. Yes you could say that those things can eventually be purchased when the game comes out, but since that is an indeterminate amount of time, people will inevitably feel they are "missing out" if they don't buy them now, because they won't be able to use said things in the persistent universe pre-release if they don't.
People don't work for free. All that money they're making doesn't go into a vault; it pays their workers.
Also: No Man's Sky is one of the greatest redemption arcs in gaming history.
TH-cam video: "New NMS update FINALLY added everything they promised!" (Half of the video talks about the launch instead of the update)
Comments on said video: "Greatest redemption in gaming." (Not at all talking about the new update)
Reply to comment: "Too bad game still sucks and is boring."
Reply to reply: "Maybe it's just not your type of game."
Every fucking time.
I just had no interest in it even if they fixed it . Reputation was already cemented
@@Aubreysangel666 That's more on you than it is on them at that point. If there were anyone who should be forgiven in the the industry, it's them. The world would be a lot colder if there is absolutely no chance to ever regain favor. There would be no reason to ever fix a mistake.
Cyberpunk 2077 is too, especially with its 2.1 update and phantom liberty dlc (also edgerunners)
@@vrabo3026 This is way too accurate lol
It's just funny how people pay into this, it's a reminder that the bar can keep getting lower than where it's already at.
I haven’t seen this much scope creep since I visited the gastroenterologist.
😂😂😂😂 yellow flag 😂😂😂😂
The endoscope feels less violating than all the bait and switch cut features I've been subjected too in star citizen since 2012.
Since this studio announced the development of this game. I graduated high school, got married, graduated flight school, got promoted to captain, and now I'm soon about to be a father.
Congrats! So, when you are a grandpa, retired and relaxing at a beach house somewhere, your grandchildren can tell you how the game promises a lot and is jank AF. XD
@Noganite 😂😂😂
@@Deboo-oz2rb
by the time your remains have fully turned to dust the devs will finally give a release date... for the early access version 0.0000001 on steam for a price of 500$ and 50k dlc´s each priced around 1200$.
Congratulatons. You've discovered how time works.
you want a cookie?
Elite Dangerous is many times better as an actual playable game and they announced colonization which is pretty much owning a star system and building bases and stations there.
As a star citizen backer since 2014, *cook their ass, Muta.* They won't listen to backers, and for the longest time they were only listening to artists, not gameplay devs.
Chef Muta. Please. Cook. Them. full-pot roast. Gournet sear. I want a _good_ game, they aren't making a good game (trying, but they keep missing the forest for the trees, and marketing has WAY too much power). All they've done so far is make pretty assets for a game.
Starfield is pretty. Starfield is boring. Starfield was more of a complete game on launch than SC is now, after 10 years.
Whatever it takes. I want the game. Not a tech demo. Not a proof of concept for a fork of someone else's engine. The game. please. I have money waiting to be spent on a game.... not art. a full-ass game.
Make the game, and my money will spend itself... It already did when I thought they were making a game. It stopped when all we got was theories of imagination that turned into art, rather than complete systems, stability, working features, and fun that lasts longer than the 15m before your next 30k... on days when the servers are good.
If they have to cut down _again_ from 5 systems to 2 or 3 to deliver on having a full game with a complete progression loop... Do it. Once you have a working template you can add to it. we don't need every planet. We need the tech that builds them within weeks or months. We don't need every craftable.We need the system that turns static assets and slots them into the craftable system... then all you need to do is initial art/modeling, gameplaya pass to make sure its actually fun, and click "insert into loot table". And if it's not fun, delete it.
O.O Tonality cannot be transliterated into text and reading this in my head, I am worried for you XD Agree though
The issue is they keep overpromising. I swear if they just got their shit together and said they wouldn't deliver everything, but that they'd release fewer content in a fun playable state, that's all that matters.
@@Noganite @Noganite think "tough love."
So this is me, not defending them when they're getting dragged on socials for being unable to produce a complete product with over 700 million dollars and 12+ years of time to make something work. And also encouraging the people who are doing it because when we backers do it... well when we aren't care-bear flowery sugar coating our concerns in their own forums, when we say "this thing other games solved a decade ago, shouldn't be a problem for you" ... those get deleted by the devs.
NONE of the modern, _single_ player games we have today that are considered "epic” (Elden Ring, Wukong) need 12+ years and almost a billion dollars. Just saying.
Don't get me wrong I hope the project goes somewhere. But the only place it's gone, with the time and resources they've spent, is staight back to asking for more money and more time ”make the dream real."
So maybe voices they *can't* silence is what they need to get things actually moving forward.
I'm mostly amused... It's like, "oh, right... it's the 2020s. The best way to be "heard" by a company is to roast them on socials and @ their executives, and then make that go viral so they can't pretend not to have seen it.”
Apparently, everyone is now a day one backer
@@enderchicken1
I mean it's a video of an anticipated unreleased game. No wonder you'll have the early birds flocking on every single video that's about their game.
this game has made ALMOST A BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS and it hasn't even been fucking released yet?
Ubisoft and EA are taking notes right now.
neither one of them have Chris Roberts. He is the reason anyone wants this game. Seriously, look up the man's resume.
Maybe EA. Seems Ubisoft is still trying their hands on Crypto secretly lol.
Chris Roberts tried to do Star citizen kinda with freelancer back in the day in like 2003 I think. Sadly microsoft bought his studio and immediately told him to scale down the game and just release it. Game was good whatever got in, but sadly it never got to be as good as ti could have been.
Star Citizen is a new attempt and this time there's no publisher telling you finish it fast to make a game light on content for big bucks.
Also throwing money at a problem doesn't necessarily make the problem get solved faster. Though they do have 6 studios and over 1000 employees working on star citizen and the single player part squadron 42. I think rockstar has also like something like +200 people always working on like GTA games, but the yhave that on day 1, star citizen started as a kickstarter with like less than 12 people so they have had to scale up the studios too while they making the game.
@@solidsnake5051 don't confuse them with facts. They would rather blindly hate on a project that currently helps to feed and house 1,000 people and their families.
@JoziWOW it is released. Has not been stamped for release. It's playable now. With 100m bugs and alot of content missing. Fun nonetheless with friends. It an eternally progressing game. That's the idea. Never ending updates. It just needs to reach the "playabel Without 100m bugs" state. Years more to go. 😭
Star Citizen Kickstarter - which I was eager to back- came online in 2012. I was just married. My daughter was born in 2013 and she is 11 now, sitting next to me, playing Roblox with a keyboard and a mouse. I told her the story of Star Citizen, how that game is older than her and still not finished. She gave me this face: 😯 Unfortunately she is not interested in space games to inherit my account. I'm pretty much convinced that I will never play that game in a final form. By 2031 I will be too old and who knows if there will be any desktop computers by then.
Interesting how much time has passed and it's still in alpha, I remember hearing about it some years ago when I was like 10 years old , nowadays I'm almost 18 and it's still unreleased 😅😅😅
As someone who’s put 550 into the project, glad to finally find a comment section not filled with unpaid CIG gunt guards huffing copium like galaxy gas
the moment you do anything short of say Chris Robert’s is to video game development what Elon Musk is to the Commercially Space industry.
The community is so notorious for aggressively shooting down any form of criticism that it almost feels like a crypto projects at times. Then again given all I have is ships and no game, I suppose it is more of an NFT than anything in its current state.
Not to mention the insane censorship [Deleted by Nightrider] issue.
Shit take, at least Elon can park a rocket, Nasa is so dogshit they can't even launch a freaking rocket.
Bordering on Vaporware
ive never seen a crowd of players more delusional than those defending Scam Citizen. its like talking with fanatics who see no issues
@@xAnubisXIIIx I’m actually really curious what that means. The community was cultish so I stayed far away. Who is that, what did they do?
I was starting to get into this game until the "ship store". It's not a matter of price it's the fact that they'll make the ship grind so boring that people will give up and buy the ship with real money and I just don't like that kind of stuff in videogames.
idk about them forcing people to buy by making the grind intolerable. i really enjoyed the grind there is enough guides out there if your new to earn easy money+ you can interact with some real nice people who can give you a hand playing with others is always more fun. I started on ground based combat in a avenger titan (starter ship) moved on to bounty hunts and ended up saving enough aUEC (In game curancy) to afford a Drake vulture and solo salvage to earn money for my org (clan) now which is like 600k every hour if ithe locations are close enough, its not a bad grind all in all. it probably took no more than 50 hours to achieve. Iv also had some of the best interactions in gaming in SC (dayz is an easy second due to its voip) made many a friend
You may find the grind boring and thats fair since its your opnion but its how i find a game like dead by daylight boring its just not my thing
The Grind IS the game its an MMO without levels but your equipment and ships are you "Classes" "Occupation".
@@AlbertoMartinez765 Like in Final fantasy 14 lol the comparison is kind of disturbingly similar
Objectively false. the bought ships will only be T1 of 5, most of the work will be after you get the ship
And that is something that the figures of this game you would never bring up. They say you could earn money to buy ships by playing the game but they never mentioned that the only way to do it or the most boring things imaginable. They never mentioned that you have to have zero social life in order to grind for even the cheapest ship
10:30 It's definitely not pay to win, it's more pay to progress. Skill level will ALWAYS be above how 'good' a ship is in star citizen. Larger ships come with crew requirements, which require multiple people for them to be even remotely effective. You can have every single ship in the game but a more skilled pilot will always be better, no expections.
A game in alpha shouldn’t be that graphically polished, and the same goes for voice acting, most studios typically hold off on those details until the core game systems are complete. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire trailer segment was specifically curated to drive pre-sales, and the crunch period was intended just to ensure that the hour-long gameplay demo looked "perfect." Honestly, I wouldn’t even be shocked if the section they showcased is most of what they actually have finished, with the rest of the game barely existing or not existing at all. When the game’s stability is this poor, it suggests either extreme incompetence on the developers' part or that the core mechanics are far from complete. With one segment of the game (about an hour of content) looking so polished while the overall stability is lacking, I genuinely think the rest of the game might not even exist yet.
S42 is finally in polish state, its not in alpha, for most games polish takes 2 -3 years
@@G0DKILLER_ It's 100% in alpha, or at least should be if there's 2 crashes and a multitude of bugs in a one hour gameplay video.
It's like that because they have to allow people to play while in development
@@yous2244 There's no open beta / alpha, the only people that would be playing would be developers and they don't need graphics and voice acting to develop the game. That would be up to QA testers which usually don't get their hands on the game until late the alpha early beta stage of the game.
its a crowd funded game, it can't work that way
holy shit we actually got GTA VI before star citizen
Although I like coming back to SC once in a while, that is basically a given.
Doesn't GTA 6 come out in 2026 too? WW3 would probably be nearly started by then
@@yous2244give it a week
GTA 7 and IRL manned Mars landings will happen before Star Citizen releases.
@@yous2244 or finished for that matter
Remember when we were all up in arms over Horse Armour?
I 'member.
These 600 US dollars digital ships in a video game make World of Warcraft $90 Mount look affordable
It makes some ghost holo Pokémon cards look affordable too😂
that's because u haven't seen the $2000 ones
@@Kahzukie pretty sure there are 15000$ too, maybe even more expensive. Been a while since I've kept up with the insanity of this....thing
@@crimsonpotemkinNah the highest ship is 3.2k, the packages are just a way for older whales to donate more to the project more easily
They've been selling overpriced digital pictures before NFT bros were doing it
1:50 Yo Muta, can we get a little more red light? I can still see a bit of you :) /s
Today I taught my son a very important lesson. Passing on our lineage. He may only be 2 right now, but goddamnit we will NOT go extinct before my Star Citizen pre order is fulfilled. Even if it’s to my grandkid.
Remember, for CIG to survive, it needs new suckers. Unfortunately, new suckers aren't born every day any more. Hence the announcement that Squadron 42 will "totally be released in 2027 we swear" and other shenanigans.
Squadron 42 is in Beta phase, meaning it is finished and content complete. They showed a Live gameplay even in this video. The only thing left for them to do is squash bugs / crashes.
@@zimmicks3170 for 2 years?!?!
We've reached CRITICAL levels of cope with this game
They've been overdosed on copium since like 2015/2016. There's a reason people call them a cult lol. Almost every single thing promised has been "a year away" for most of a decade. It's insane.
Shhhhh, you'll draw the cope fiends 😂
Yeah god forbid someone actually ENJOYS something now days. lmao.
The fact that people are still defending the game ... man.
They keep doing ui and quality of life updates rather than fixing the bugs. The fanboys just tell you to shut up, but it's literally the worst virtually unplayable alpha I've ever partook in.
Omg i related so much to this. I have a friend who upgraded his PC just for it. As if it would actually matter for a buggy mess
They literally scuttled a bunch of features from 4.0 just so they can get server meshing done and focus on BUG FIXES and STABILITY and all on the forums, and reddit, and youtube, a bunch of people are complaining that CIG is removing game features to focus on BUG FIXES and STABILITY. It is absolutely hilarious to me to see that people are never satisfied with anything CIG does and all people do is lavish them with negativity and complain.
I have no regard for the 'uncommonplace' of crunch within video games or tech in general. No employee should have their personal time removed by managerial mandate--that's a management issue to be rectified by management and most likely due to mismanagement.
its not mismanagement, it's executives rushing programmers and artists to meet deadlines that are convenient for the current market situation, novelty release dates (looking at Bethesda), and logistics (factories that need to assemble the physical case and the online stores that distribute them).
@@Robbie-mw5uu that would be mismanagement...
I remember when I was just a 16 year old kid saving up my allowance for this. And since then I graduated highschool, college, worked 2 jobs, fired from those jobs, built my own business, married, and had one daughter.
It's amazing how many whales are sadly knee deep in the sunk costs fallacy after more than a decade
Copium is real
I gotta get a hit of that copium if it lasts that long
I’ve literally had a friend die waiting to play this game lol
Skill issue
And now you must see it through in his place, understand this is the game every space sim lover dreams of, every other game is half assed, dumbed down to meet release schedules etc etc, but not this one, yes it sucks that its taking this long, but they're taking this long to make sure the game is everything we've ever wanted
Can't make a game for 700 mil. Yeah no. They aren't "taking their time". They're taking your money. You're getting scammed.
No way he thought this would ever be finished
@@nojuanatall3281 Your actually just not thinking straight. Have you seen how much money Ubisoft, EA, Microsoft poor into yearly slop? SC is nothing in comparison to that.
Bro i love the way you do sponsors it actually makes me feel to watch them. I wish I could be like you.
You know what they say: we were born too late to explore the Earth, but too early to play the full release of Star Citizen.
As a fortune teller, I'd say we have at least 2 more years of these videos to look forward to.
yes
I had a friend who was dead set that this was going to be the best game ever. We tried to get through one “quest” and not only where we not able to do it we wasted around 6 hours believing we were doing the quest only to like, not really do anything.
Why does Star Citizen feel like it's trying to be the "Everything" Sci-fi game?
Because it is. It has suffered from feature creep since year 1. The devs don't know how to just draw a line in the sand. It's also been 10+ years, so the longer in development, the more they feel they have to update everything.
It wants to be everything but by way of trying to be everything it’s nothing, which is why it hasn’t released yet.
@@joevile240 Dude just accept that it is a scam. You cannot tell me that the devs havent learned to make a order in their production in 10 years.
@faryanblender8946 I'm not defending it. O.o I'm giving one of many reasons the game doesn't exist past alpha.
Meanwhile the bugs tormenting everyone in game remember pre alpha for TWELVE WHOLE YEARS
But the game is fun
THIS! Nobody wants to admit this. At least not the fanatic fanboys, they'll say the old "i'am mature enough to understand what an alpha is...if you can't comprehend such a concept why are you here? Why complain. Go away." xD
I swear this game is one step forward 10 backwards at every damn patch. The immersive gameplay these folks keep yapping about is their damn roleplay and imagination gymnastics they keep doing. Cause if you want to play this by doing missions or trying to go into a gameplay loop, you'd better have nerves of steel and a huge bullshit tolerating gut...
@@GUnit2214 what are you on??
@GUnit2214 no idea what your saying and to be honest I didn't read and I'm not gonna read it
@@fgm-148javelin3 Well, reading and comprehension is important that's most likely why you don't understand 🤣. And to be fair it was a rant. Anyway to put it short as you said 12 years and still broken game. Try to do a 3 point courier mission, it will most likely break at some point. But hey it's fun and immersive when you roleplay and make scenarios in your mind.
maybe craming every aspect of this game into a single game is a bad idea, it should be more like a launcher that lets you play separate instances while everthing is under the same name, like fortnite
it may not be the same because inmersion and shie but honestly hardware is still not to that point where we can make a game so big and make it run
Man, can you imagine (if) the game ever gets out of Alpha and full launches, there’s going to be a literal FACTION of players (probably close to 10,000 or more) that will band together as the “OGs” and only accept people if they were pledgers in the first 1-2 years and CONSISTENTLY stuck with it for the entire (x) amount of years to join.
The level of narcissism and “I’m better than you” genuinely makes me nauseated just thinking about it because it absolutely WILL HAPPEN (due to how humans just naturally function).
All because they were too stupid to move on, even if it does fully release and there’s a lot of game time they got out of it, this has still been a complete farce in every sense of that word…
Poor
Fr though I can already feel the dread of ever engaging with that kinda group
lol good. Hopefully they keep out anyone who called it a "scam" for the last decade. A good Mother Hen moment.
You're making shit up to be mad about like bro wtf are you talking about?
@@bradthebreadstickin many games like WOW and Guilds War have a community like that. So he is not entirely wrong.
the star citizen situation is crazy
@Israelisbetter for your comment? 100%
Star citizen game devs scammed their audience??? (No clickbait)
huge star citizen drama
This is literally is said every year. But those same complainers keep buying ships. Maybe people need to have better impulse control.
The Star Citizen situation is crazy wild insane cattywampus
If anyone has actually played it it’s not all that great with the server issues constantly resetting your progress. If I wanted to lose all my gear I just spent an hour collecting around 1 shopping center, wake up in a hospital light years away and then can’t recall my ship because of some dumb issue. That’s not good game design. Taking a 2 hour detour to get back to square 1, which took you 1 hour to even get too, after something you have no control over derails you is not fun. Always respawning at the same hospital whether you are 1 foot away vs 10 light years is bad design. Having a player have to insurance claim their ship (and wait another 5-10 mins) when it wasn’t destroyed is bad. I get the immersion factor but what kills immersion for me is losing half a day of “progress” because stepping off my ship carrying a box disintegrated my spinal cord and I have to spend the rest of my day to try to ATTEMPT to get my stuff back.
23:00 huge multiplayer gameplay? i was under the impression that games like Eve Online and Planetside 2 have been doing that for decades...
Citzen Con is an appropriate name
I recently just got star citizen, and it would be a fun game as it currently stands if it didn't glitch out every 5 seconds. The instant death when drinking water is my currently favorite one. Or the still glitched elevators, or the glitched shuttles, or the glitchy ship doors or the.....
It’s not that high of a bar to beat, but I hope it is nowhere near as boring as Starfield.
You know, when it gets released like 30 years from now.
Flying from ground to space in your ship that you can walk around any time you want is mindblowing
@@Demonic-i9j No Man Sky does it too, it's no longer something special
@@Demonic-i9j if thats your interpretation of "good gameplay" then im shocked at how low gamers will accept something like that as a good thing.
OK where is the gameplay loop? where is the ship balance? where is quanta (economy)? where is optimizations because currently the live servers run like literal trash.
I couldnt care less about seemless flight from ground to space or walking around a ship, that isnt gameplay, thats just a glorified tech demo that you can literally shit together in UE5 :D
@@123TheCloop
Pretty sure it was sarcasm in sevexxan’s comment.
@@123TheCloopdude, if you can do that in UE5, you should!
Chris Roberts = top tier swindler. 🤣🤣🤣
I'm pretty sure Chris Roberts is taking notes from Dutch Van Der Land "I Have A Plan"
We just need More Money! And some god damn faith!
Honestly mind-blowing to realize how accurate this comment is 🤯
Callling it now, there is going too be several technological leaps in advancements that CIG and CE will have no choice but too update their graphics entierly from the gound up I mean, 2 gaming generations have already passed since this was first announced too be crowd funded on kick starter, what's another 15 generations am I right?
Star Citizen is literally 'Feature Creep-The Game.'
They are already and always doing that -- raytracing and global illumination are coming down the pipeline next. And they are implementing dynamic volumetric cloud-covered weather systems on a planetary scale. There is no game or game engine doing that.
The sad thing about Star Citizen is that if only the guy had JUST started his studio by making a modern version of Freelancer (which was pretty fun btw), we'd likely have a game by now and his whole company would have a much better PR.
Then he could had used that base to keep building upon it to eventually land with something akin to what he wants Star Citizen to be.
"But the potential Muta! This could be the best game ever, and I'm still having more fun with it than current AAA games! but Muta!"
Almost like the 'game' isn't even the game anymore, now 'games' revolve around massive online 'communities', as developers don't even seem to want to make actual games like they did in what is to the average player these days, medieval times, with publishers who don't want to actually publish anything yet want to implement subscription 'service' models based on nothing but promises.
Empty promises. Yet people willingly buy in as if that itself were the game they enjoy so convincingly multiple actual patents from multiple companies exist blatantly exploiting such 'features'.
On the plus side at least this game may lend some hope HL3 will appear at some point at least before this.
Good times.
24:40 Maybe you missed it when looking it up, but a few things about the state of server meshing in SC:
-It has been in test for nearly a year now. It was in evocati (servers for the most dedicated players, typically under NDA) for a long time, and when you started seeing it on youtube was around the time it went into PTU (test servers), which was way later.
-The video in question was from a stress test on PTU. These are the kinds of tests they can't do on evocati as there are just that much fewer evocati players available at once. They first put the usual 100 players, waited 30 minutes to see if there was no issue, then increased the limit, and continued on every 30 minutes until reaching a 1000 players. Of course, the experience wasn't great, but finding the pain points was part of the goal. There's a retrospective on the SC channel about what they got from this and other tests later on, as well as what they've worked on relating to networking.
-The goalpost for a feature to be available in PU is simply for it to work as expected. That's why they release as v0. Any feature that is still in PTU doesn't have any expection of working correctly, they are buggy. Before the new renderer and Vulkan support were added early this year, both were in and out of evocati for a long time, with the new renderer being in PTU for while as they worked out the kinks.
-The most difficult part about server meshing isn't really the architecture, though it did require a lot of thinking, but the part where a lot of moving parts have to work very well to get a worthwhile result. Static server meshing had a working demo in live for citizencon 2023, but that was with two local servers, on two local machines. There was no networking delay, variation, or effective bandwidth limit, no particular load on the server, the environment wasn't the PU with hundreds of thousands of entities but instead a few wide white boxes on which they spawn players, weapons, and vehicles.
Every couple of patches things line up and it works really well for like, a few weeks - then they make a massive change and it's broken for months
Here we go again. . .
@Israelisbetter🤓
@Israelisbetter Nobody asked for another SC ragebait video, that's for sure.
@@Quickb3n No one asked for whiteknights from the cult either.
@ I’ve never played the game in my life. I am bored as fuck of seeing video after video about it, though.
StarSector mentioned.
Praise Ludd
The game I have turned into a galactic fight for survival with Armored Cores, space fighters and angry bug aliens rapidly coming to reeducate and relocate humanity into the soil as the factions continue to tear each other apart.
Mods are life.
There is no incentive to release a game when people keep paying you to finish it. Say what you like they've milked an extraordinary amount of cash out of this.
SINCE Star Citizen games LIKE Elite Dangerous!? Elite was around way before Star Citizen and the Kickstarter for the FOURTH sequal Elite Dangerous I believe was live before the one for Star Citizen too. To each their own but Elite was the pioneer in this type of space game. It had the entire known galaxy mapped out on a 720k floppy disk in the 90s!
it doesn't have the whole known galaxy, there are only 256 planets per galaxy (with 8 galaxies) but it is impressive for it's time, it's all procedurally generated with some hand chosen names, the real milky way has billions of planets
these numbers were probably chosen due to the limitation of 8-bit hardware
Elite Dangerous just announced their next feature will be us conquering star systems ( building new space ports )
@@lilwintery6434 I think OP was referring to Elite 2.
You really touched my heart with this video. So much to say. One of the last of aging Boomers. Watched the Mercury Missions, The Gemini Missions, and the Apollo Missions. We were promised a future as "big as the Sun." A quote from the Principal of my 6th Grade Public School. On the night of the first Moon Landing, my Great Grandmother, a woman who defended her stolen property, with a shotgun (Jeezuz...you guys are still around?), from some of the last of Indigenous Americans said, "I've seen enough". We are less than 100 hours away from dealing with the scion of a documented Crime Family. So...fellow Commenters, I would now direct you to the smash 1968 Broadway Musical, "Promises, Promises". Thank you for making this space available, Mutahar. Witness the degradation of language with the glib responses. It will be a hoot.
I tried Star Citizen for the first time 2 days ago. Not impressed. I want my money back
there is a 30day no questions asked refund policy
just contact support
@IronPhysik thanks
@@IronPhysik And they go even further than that in some cases. Around 2020, I spent $800 over about a month. Eight months after that, I asked for a refund of about $600, and they did it without question. I have since spent another $2000 over four years. I don't regret spending this much, I have had probably 3000 hours played total so it's probably cost me less than $1 per hour to play (considering the amount of 30, 40, 50, and 60 dollar games I have on Steam with under 10 hours played this is a bargain).
You could try it during Free Fly event... it's free to play for a couple of days
@maineman5757 No Problem
The game needs work and likely won't be for anyone.
I like it and enjoy playing it, and of you want to give the game another chance you can hit me up to run some missions, the new player experience is rough
New year....same old STORE CITIZEN!!!
On the store there is absolutely nothing you can’t get in game. Everything is easily obtained in game.
@@Demonic-i9j That's an outright lie lol and Muta is mistaken too. There's a ton of ships they sell which has not released in game, from things like the Merchantsman (unreleased for over a decade) and the capital ships, like the Javelin for $2000-3000, which they sell during events and it's been SoonTM for over half a decade now. As well as any limited ships or newly released ships. Shop only.
@@ghoulbby careful they dont like it when you talk truth
@@ghoulbby100% accurate. Even small ground vehicles they have sold are still just concepts.
This game is like the ultimate exercise in scope creep
The real problem StarEngine has is that nobody will purchase it to use, which means the grift is all CIG has.
You know that pretty much all older game studios have their own engines that only they use? Do you think Bethesda sells their engine or something?
This studio is going to go broke before the game even comes close to release
Nah. The next two years they will hold out. Even if people stop giving them a lot of money. After that the singleplayer stand alone drops and with that will fund many more years.
@@slowshadow2669They spend as much as they take in and their expenses as of two years ago was $120M a year. Quarter of billion is a lot to raise in two years. SQ42, even if successful will first be used to pay the Calder’s investment back. Last I checked it was over $130M due to them but would grow to around $150M assuming the 2025 release. SQ42 already has millions of sells that won’t get applied to that $150m total so they will need the game to be a big success to just cover that. I fear very little money will go back into the PU.
@@slowshadow2669I thought that was coming in 2016?
@@vlastelinprislic286
nah the new release date is 2036.
I personally can't wait for Star Citizen 1.0 to come out in 5000002024. It'll be a nice distraction from the Sun becoming a red giant and roasting the Earth
original release date for SQ42 was slated for 2014.... game have alreacy been delayed by 10 whole years, BUT 2 more years will be enough now? until their shit is available to buy i wont believe them.
That wasn't a release date, it was an initial projection window for when they had planned on finishing the first iteration of the game. That was the year window they posted on their kickstarter in 2012 and that window was updated back in 2013 when the community voted on extended stretch goal. The only people still pressed over that are people who never actually bothered paying attention passed the handful of taglines that pop up on overblown IGN articles and uninformed talking head videos.