The early throttle feather is critical for making it work on underpowered 3" stuff, especially for big dives. That is the technique, applies to freestyle and racing.
I've always thought people focus first too hard on tuning the quad when learning good flying habits can eliminate a large percentage of the reactions they're trying so hard to tune out. Great advice man, and some really nice flying!
Can't get prop-wash? if you feather the throttle after a loop, you won't get it. Just P-loop and when vertical diving the ground, max throttle to the spot.
I’m starting a Apex/kiss/vista build in a couple of weeks. You have inspired me to try out KISS. I came back for you pid tutorial, but you are on 6s now, right? It would be wonderful if you could share your 6s pids as I know nothing about KISS. I’m going for 1777kv motors but a reference to get me started would be amazing.
Applying throttle slowly is what induces prop wash. A quick high powered burst of throttle is the only thing that won’t cause horrible prop wash wobble.
You Mode 1 and Mode 2 pilots, need to understand that Mode 2 is the only logical solution. Your diversity is causing segregation in the hobby. Switch to Mode 2, now. lol
I do the same thing. Coming out of aggressive moves I’m always applying a little throttle to smooth it out. Throttle control is super important for fluidity
I think feathering in a little early like that helps because you are still at a pretty steep angle when you start feathering it in so you begin to generate a thrust vector that's more behind you instead of directly below you. It's always coming in too flat at the bottom that gives a lot of prop wash. So I agree!
Are used S3 also and I have slight prop wash please I would like very much to try your rates out send me your rates let me see how I can work with it and also keep up the great work 👌🏽👍🏽
Question. Since i think your 6s is kind of high kv, what is the motor temp like after about 3minutes? I seem to get warm almost hot at around 2:30 and about 3min flight time. Is that normal for that kv? Eh newb question🤷♂️ 2207.5 1925kv
There are many other things besides these three. D shot idle dynamic idle d_min d max low i looses attitude and response. Rpm filtration set up strip back dynamic notch to reduce phase delay. Tpa over attenuation of pids at low throttle looses attitude reducing filtration further to allow more cpu disabling accelerometer baro ect. Get that cpu down. Share some of your settings and how you came by them thats the meat in the sandwich that other folk crave. But also great vids man love your chilled’ness as it comes across. Any tip is a good tip go deep bro. 🙏
Good tips man 👍😎As you say throttle flying clean is the ultimate way to reduce propwash, as you just demonstrated it's actually difficult to deliberately induce propwash on a clean quad once you've trained yourself to fly in a way that avoids it 😂 I've found the easiest way for me to induce propwash for tuning is to do a 180 degree flat yaw turn while going fast (cutting throttle) then pitch forward and throttle hard into the turbulent air I just created. Your setup is going to handle propwash so well on S3 props you'll probably find even that move only gives you a little bobble rather than full on oscillations 👊
Great video Vik! It is hard for a pro to demonstrate beginner mistakes 😉. You could refer them to my channel to see some wrong throttle management! Lol 😂 I have a 3 inch DJI Cinewhoop, where I removed the ducts and added new props. It can freestyle quite well but pilot error is definitely a factor and I think it is trickier with 3 inch lacking the power and bigger props. I tend to shy away from freestyle moves to not ruin a nice cinematic run 😂
Hi ! Been watching your videos they’re great and many thanks for doing this !! I would love to have hints on learning to do good orbitz... I think they’re hard to do well as a beginner and could use your methods !! Best
Man, I just get soooo much propwash and I can’t seem to tune it out. I know it’s not my flying skills or my props, maybe cheap quads just can’t fly that well. Hopefully someday I can get a quad flying as well as yours
I just starting using a little throttle coming out of split s and power loops. My question is do u happen to know what causes throttle jerks on tight turns? So when I make a tight turns and give it a good amount of throttle on my 3” 3s 1105 5k quad it tends to jerk hard almost like a car racing when they come off the line when u punch it, jerks in one direction then grabs the air and goes.
VIK FPV ok, I’ll try that. Yeah for sure it’s a tuning issue, I been in the hobby little over a year now and have learned so much but so far pid tuning has been the biggest challenge. I appreciate the advice I’ll start there on I.
@@VIKFPV Hey man.. question for you... how many caps do you put on your quad? My set-up is very similar and running the cap provided with the FETtec ESC but it's like mine re-boots mid flight. There was a suggestion to add another cap to try and resolve the issue. Any thoughts? I checked for shorts and all seem good.
I have a brand new geprc mark4 4K. It’s a 6s 1850kv weighs 622 grams rtf. I have ethic S2, S3, S4, and the stock 5043 props. Tried several props, lol. But no matter what I do it has a horrible throttle oscillation. It’ll dip sometimes. Flutter. Make jello in fpv feed. Even flip sometimes. And it’ll sound like it’s hitting things but it isn’t as there’s nothing to it. Ramp throttle up really fast for a power loop or punch out and it’ll sound horrible. Ease into it about 60% max an it’s awesome. Tune is decent as I’ve started over a few times. I have rpm filtering on. Tried it off. Tried esc tuning. Had others help me tune but it isn’t right. Motors were super hot from factory with horrible fluttering. Now they are 100* after 6-7 min freestyle at no more than 60% throttle and it’ll fly amazing. Any ideas or help? I’m open to any help at all from anywhere at this point
VIK FPV brand new? The amps for each are relatively the same. Maybe .5 amp variance between all 4. I am gonna swap from bf to emu. hopefully since the closest tuner I have is running emu this may let us both get on the same page. If not I’ll start replacing hardware. Starting with the motors as you suggested. Thank you for the advice and replying!!! Keep up the awesome content!!! It really helps folks like me learn by sight and hearing what’s going on.
Did you join the GepRC Facebook group? There are a lot of very knowledgeable guys rocking this quad that are good at tuning. They seem to achieve super smooth flights. Good luck buddy! 👊🏻
i use to like high pitched props but not so much now ,i love the 5x4.3 gemfans on 2450kv for 4s nice power without killing the lipo,also since ive moved up in camera angle i tend to not hit my own propwash so much compared to low tilt
The point you make, throtteling up early in agressive manuvers, helped me 100% I fly light micros 2" - 2.5" and all I can say is 🙏🙏🙏 thank you master! No propwash here since you tought me that. MOOVE THOSE STICKS BRO 🤣🤣 throttle in early...
Have in mind that there is much less propwash possible to do on kiss and revolt than on beta. I had S3 on my beta setup and these were the most propwashable. I am finishing my first kiss fettec setup and revolt. I get rid of beta stuff. Thanks for sharing. I like this video. Cheers m8 🔥🔥🔥🔥👍🙂
I always think of it like how a boat leaves a trail of rough water or prop wash. A split S is as if the boat reverses back through the choppy water/ dirty air/ prop wash.
Great tips!! Thanks so much for these videos, it’s also great to see your thumbs and what some movements look like. Had one question, what’s that countdown for?
It's really nice to see another Mode 3 pilot. Especially nice to see a very good one. There aren't many of us out there. I didn't know any better when I started a couple of years ago, now it's hardwired into my brain. I can not fly Mode 2...have definitely tried.
Awesome as always man - interested on your thoughts in Fettec Kiss FC v Kiss V2? Other than integration with Fettec esc do you notice anything else? Stay safe ✌🏻😎
Looking at your tutorials, it all seems so simple! But then when I try, I punctually crash!🙈🙈 I think she still has to do a lot of lipos, and still spend a lot of money!🤷♂️🤷♂️
Been waiting on this one man thanks for the tips bro and thanks for replying to me about this subject through fb the hard mount on the apex instead of those rubber standoffs really helped alot so thank for everything man 👊
Hey Vik. As always I'm loving your tutorial. I'm inspired by your style of flying. I have too many questions as well as suggestions but I will ask 2 simple questions. How often do you fly and if I'm flying by myself most of the time could I be limiting myself to the natural learning progression. In other words things are quickly becoming well ho-hum at best. This bro wants and needs excitement in his flying. HELP!
Meeting up with other pilots to fly is fairly important for most people to progress past a certain point. I'm not as good a pilot as Vik but I fly everyday and try to meet up with other pilots at least once a week to freestyle.
@@VIKFPV You did a apex kiss setup video, could you do something similar for the fettec fc and 45amp esc? I want to do a fettec build, I have the fettec fc, waiting on the esc. 🤓
The early throttle feather is critical for making it work on underpowered 3" stuff, especially for big dives. That is the technique, applies to freestyle and racing.
Yeah for sure 👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
I fly a 2" and always feel like it just tanks out the sky and stops gping forward so fast
bro you can't talk about how to eliminate propwash when you cannot even demonstrate a proper propwash. my cine bubbles try crazy
Loving the double stick cam! Really nice to watch with the option to look at the mode I fly.
Thanks man 👊🏽 so many modes lol
VIK FPV your videos are the only ones where the stick cams are even relevant, as I also am in the mode 3 club.
I've always thought people focus first too hard on tuning the quad when learning good flying habits can eliminate a large percentage of the reactions they're trying so hard to tune out. Great advice man, and some really nice flying!
Thanks man. Glad it was helpful
Can't get prop-wash? if you feather the throttle after a loop, you won't get it. Just P-loop and when vertical diving the ground, max throttle to the spot.
I’m starting a Apex/kiss/vista build in a couple of weeks. You have inspired me to try out KISS. I came back for you pid tutorial, but you are on 6s now, right? It would be wonderful if you could share your 6s pids as I know nothing about KISS. I’m going for 1777kv motors but a reference to get me started would be amazing.
Applying throttle slowly is what induces prop wash. A quick high powered burst of throttle is the only thing that won’t cause horrible prop wash wobble.
Hey, another fellow Mode 3 flyer!
Great tips that will help me 👍
Best 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
You Mode 1 and Mode 2 pilots, need to understand that Mode 2 is the only logical solution. Your diversity is causing segregation in the hobby.
Switch to Mode 2, now. lol
I do the same thing. Coming out of aggressive moves I’m always applying a little throttle to smooth it out. Throttle control is super important for fluidity
he he he *cries in 850 grams*
I grew up as an FPV pilot with you and your videos of this I want to thank you very much🤗😆👊
Hahah thanks man. Rip one for me 👊🏽👊🏽
Still watching this in 2022. OG Vik. 👊🏻
Hi, why change from Kiss to Fettec?
Great Trip👍
Great video, thank you. P.S it's nice to see someone flying with just thumbs (like me) I cannot fly with the alternate style at all
I think feathering in a little early like that helps because you are still at a pretty steep angle when you start feathering it in so you begin to generate a thrust vector that's more behind you instead of directly below you. It's always coming in too flat at the bottom that gives a lot of prop wash. So I agree!
Hell yeah it does
Are used S3 also and I have slight prop wash please I would like very much to try your rates out send me your rates let me see how I can work with it and also keep up the great work 👌🏽👍🏽
Hey man. Check my playlist. There is a tune video
Nice video bro. Do you have a link for the rates you use . To try on betaflight. Cheers ScottyDog FPV
I use kiss but I do have a video on my tune check playlist
want to get propwash? just mess with the pid setup of your quad...thank me later
Haha tune definitely plays a big role. But a lot of default tune settings on 5 inch setups do pretty decent.
Do you use expo?
thank you very much for this useful sharing, bro. i love this very much, God bless you 👏👏👍👊🙏🍻🍻❤️
Lighter props handle wash a lot better than big heavy props.
For sure
Question. Since i think your 6s is kind of high kv, what is the motor temp like after about 3minutes? I seem to get warm almost hot at around 2:30 and about 3min flight time. Is that normal for that kv? Eh newb question🤷♂️ 2207.5 1925kv
My motors get a little warm but I can still touch them. If you can’t touch your motors it’s too hot then you should look at your tune
@@VIKFPV yea i can still touch em. Im just not used to the kv so i get worried since its my best and highest kv 6s quad.
First minute summed up, I don’t f with crap gear haha
Hahaha
There are many other things besides these three. D shot idle dynamic idle d_min d max low i looses attitude and response. Rpm filtration set up strip back dynamic notch to reduce phase delay. Tpa over attenuation of pids at low throttle looses attitude reducing filtration further to allow more cpu disabling accelerometer baro ect. Get that cpu down. Share some of your settings and how you came by them thats the meat in the sandwich that other folk crave. But also great vids man love your chilled’ness as it comes across. Any tip is a good tip go deep bro. 🙏
Lol hahah love that last line hehehe
😝
Good tips man 👍😎As you say throttle flying clean is the ultimate way to reduce propwash, as you just demonstrated it's actually difficult to deliberately induce propwash on a clean quad once you've trained yourself to fly in a way that avoids it 😂
I've found the easiest way for me to induce propwash for tuning is to do a 180 degree flat yaw turn while going fast (cutting throttle) then pitch forward and throttle hard into the turbulent air I just created. Your setup is going to handle propwash so well on S3 props you'll probably find even that move only gives you a little bobble rather than full on oscillations 👊
Very nice buddy 👌
Thanks man
Great video Vik! It is hard for a pro to demonstrate beginner mistakes 😉. You could refer them to my channel to see some wrong throttle management! Lol 😂 I have a 3 inch DJI Cinewhoop, where I removed the ducts and added new props. It can freestyle quite well but pilot error is definitely a factor and I think it is trickier with 3 inch lacking the power and bigger props. I tend to shy away from freestyle moves to not ruin a nice cinematic run 😂
😎👍🔥🔥🔥
Please do a video on what fc firmware is best
Oh yes.
Hi ! Been watching your videos they’re great and many thanks for doing this !!
I would love to have hints on learning to do good orbitz... I think they’re hard to do well as a beginner and could use your methods !!
Best
Some good tips because my tuning sux i found azure 5148 work well with little to no prop wash with other props its horrible.
Man, I just get soooo much propwash and I can’t seem to tune it out. I know it’s not my flying skills or my props, maybe cheap quads just can’t fly that well. Hopefully someday I can get a quad flying as well as yours
Thank you for the explanation. I get lots of vibrations after doing the split S. Now i understand why. Thank you for the explanation.
Sick flying, Vik! Thanks for all the tips! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks man. I hope your family is staying safe as well
I just starting using a little throttle coming out of split s and power loops. My question is do u happen to know what causes throttle jerks on tight turns? So when I make a tight turns and give it a good amount of throttle on my 3” 3s 1105 5k quad it tends to jerk hard almost like a car racing when they come off the line when u punch it, jerks in one direction then grabs the air and goes.
David FPV that might be a tuning issue. Try lowering I gain
VIK FPV ok, I’ll try that. Yeah for sure it’s a tuning issue, I been in the hobby little over a year now and have learned so much but so far pid tuning has been the biggest challenge. I appreciate the advice I’ll start there on I.
Keep at it. Always something to learn even for me
Thanks for the video...
it helped me a lot with my wobbling problem after the maneuvers
Well that's crap you can't get it to prop wash
I want to tune mine where I can't get it too prop wash.
Nice video man! Throttle is critical... tuning won't solve it all he time.
Exactly 🙌🏽
@@VIKFPV Hey man.. question for you... how many caps do you put on your quad? My set-up is very similar and running the cap provided with the FETtec ESC but it's like mine re-boots mid flight. There was a suggestion to add another cap to try and resolve the issue. Any thoughts? I checked for shorts and all seem good.
Nice work. Appreciate the vid
Thanks man
What’s your timer set for?
3 minutes
oh wow, so my 710-760g is too much!
Yeah dude that’s a heavy build
all great tips! personally i use emu flight and it is damn near impossible to get prop wash even on stock tune.
I’m gonna have to try it out. Heard good things from a lot of people. 👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
@@VIKFPV nothin to lose! can always flash it back.
I have a brand new geprc mark4 4K. It’s a 6s 1850kv weighs 622 grams rtf. I have ethic S2, S3, S4, and the stock 5043 props. Tried several props, lol. But no matter what I do it has a horrible throttle oscillation. It’ll dip sometimes. Flutter. Make jello in fpv feed. Even flip sometimes. And it’ll sound like it’s hitting things but it isn’t as there’s nothing to it. Ramp throttle up really fast for a power loop or punch out and it’ll sound horrible. Ease into it about 60% max an it’s awesome. Tune is decent as I’ve started over a few times. I have rpm filtering on. Tried it off. Tried esc tuning. Had others help me tune but it isn’t right. Motors were super hot from factory with horrible fluttering. Now they are 100* after 6-7 min freestyle at no more than 60% throttle and it’ll fly amazing. Any ideas or help? I’m open to any help at all from anywhere at this point
Might just be bad motors not sure
VIK FPV brand new? The amps for each are relatively the same. Maybe .5 amp variance between all 4. I am gonna swap from bf to emu. hopefully since the closest tuner I have is running emu this may let us both get on the same page. If not I’ll start replacing hardware. Starting with the motors as you suggested. Thank you for the advice and replying!!! Keep up the awesome content!!! It really helps folks like me learn by sight and hearing what’s going on.
Did you join the GepRC Facebook group? There are a lot of very knowledgeable guys rocking this quad that are good at tuning. They seem to achieve super smooth flights. Good luck buddy! 👊🏻
MarsMachine I have not. But will be now
I hate how you fly so smooth haha
Thanks man hahaha
to low pitch props are getting more Prop Wash, those are to weeak push - to get rid of quad oscilation
I mean in 4S 5 inch configuration, ethix S4 have more PW handling than the S3. - in my case :)
Entire setup matters and weight does too. If quad weighs a ton than S3 props probably won’t generate the trust it needs
650g
I used idle up for a while, about 1060 min throttle, and went to airmode, about 1070 min throttle. It helped about propwash handling too 👍
Yessss
Man , do you out anything under motor to prevent mid throttle oscillation ?
Never. It causes more problems than it solves
This was snake oil. Soft mounting motors is overkill or unnecessary
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👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
I'm always watching your tutorial. It's very helpful to me a lot. Thanks Vik 🙏👍
Thanks man
👍
👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
650g high end ? Me looking at my 800+ g quad with tons of propwash ...
Wow. That’s crazy
@@VIKFPV 6s quad , with heavy lipos ( white CNHL ) + go pro hero ... , Heavy F80 motors , air unit , thats easier to get heavy quad than light ^^
Damn that doesn’t sound fun to fly.
@@VIKFPV cinematic quad, i m not doing a lot of freestyle, just basics. It flies well, realy locked, and winds doesnt realy affect it ^^
i use to like high pitched props but not so much now ,i love the 5x4.3 gemfans on 2450kv for 4s nice power without killing the lipo,also since ive moved up in camera angle i tend to not hit my own propwash so much compared to low tilt
Interesting. Lot of factors at play
The point you make, throtteling up early in agressive manuvers, helped me 100% I fly light micros 2" - 2.5" and all I can say is 🙏🙏🙏 thank you master! No propwash here since you tought me that. MOOVE THOSE STICKS BRO 🤣🤣 throttle in early...
Thanks man. Hahah awesome to hear 🙌🏽
Another great tip video. Definitely going to be doing this more often
Thanks man 🙌🏽🙌🏽
Have in mind that there is much less propwash possible to do on kiss and revolt than on beta. I had S3 on my beta setup and these were the most propwashable. I am finishing my first kiss fettec setup and revolt. I get rid of beta stuff. Thanks for sharing. I like this video. Cheers m8 🔥🔥🔥🔥👍🙂
Yeah entire FC esc system matters. I was talking about just my experience
Thanks so much for the mode 2 stuff.
I always think of it like how a boat leaves a trail of rough water or prop wash. A split S is as if the boat reverses back through the choppy water/ dirty air/ prop wash.
Yessssss sir
Great tips!! Thanks so much for these videos, it’s also great to see your thumbs and what some movements look like. Had one question, what’s that countdown for?
Basically so I dont run and kill my battery. I set a timer. The countdown on full stick is 10 second countdown on punch outs
It's really nice to see another Mode 3 pilot. Especially nice to see a very good one. There aren't many of us out there. I didn't know any better when I started a couple of years ago, now it's hardwired into my brain. I can not fly Mode 2...have definitely tried.
Same here bro. 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Awesome as always man - interested on your thoughts in Fettec Kiss FC v Kiss V2? Other than integration with Fettec esc do you notice anything else? Stay safe ✌🏻😎
That’s a good video. I’ll do it soon
Looking at your tutorials, it all seems so simple! But then when I try, I punctually crash!🙈🙈 I think she still has to do a lot of lipos, and still spend a lot of money!🤷♂️🤷♂️
Thanks man 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Nice video, still trying to fix this prop wash with just enough early throttle and a better tuning :) And thanks for mode 2 xD
Thanks man. Good luck!!!
Impresionante 👌
Nice logic instrumental as background music👌 personally love logic. His music sick asf
Hahahha HELL YEAH SOMEONE NOTICED 👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
Great video man! Thank you so much!!!
Rippp it up
@@VIKFPV It's unfortunate that my quad died😂
Hahah crash build repeat
@@VIKFPV Yep💪🚀
Thanks Vik!! 👍🙋♂️ Good info, and red hot rip🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks man 👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
Whats a good wt with a Gopro 8? Great video always learn from them so much.
Mine is around 650 maybe
Been waiting on this one man thanks for the tips bro and thanks for replying to me about this subject through fb the hard mount on the apex instead of those rubber standoffs really helped alot so thank for everything man 👊
Awesome to hear. Rip it up
Is the yellow thing on your x9d’s stock antenna a dummy load?
Yes. To keep the dust out
just finally got good enough at flying and building to actually keep it up for more than a half pack! just the vid i needed!
Awesome thanks
Thanks VIK I've been struggling with prop wash this help a lot 👊🏽🙏🏽
Awesome to hear
Thanks vik
Rippp it
Props to you my friend can't believe I just typed that hahaha cheers man
Hahha haha 😂
Thanks vik 👍
Nicklessticks FpV thanks man 👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
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Rippppp it
Reduce filtering, Increase D is my aproach.
Tuning is always good
Hey Vik. As always I'm loving your tutorial. I'm inspired by your style of flying. I have too many questions as well as suggestions but I will ask 2 simple questions. How often do you fly and if I'm flying by myself most of the time could I be limiting myself to the natural learning progression. In other words things are quickly becoming well ho-hum at best. This bro wants and needs excitement in his flying. HELP!
Meeting up with other pilots to fly is fairly important for most people to progress past a certain point. I'm not as good a pilot as Vik but I fly everyday and try to meet up with other pilots at least once a week to freestyle.
@@Cappurnikus Hey I appreciate that feedback and I totally agree. Sometimes a little push to try something new from a fellow freestyler is all I need.
I fly alone most of the time just because personal schedule it's all about having fun and flying if i can't meet up with others
Thanks! Appreciate the help/tips👍
No problem!
3:38 That's not a split S, it's just a powerloop
Split S is 3:36 it was past tense 😬
Very informative and helpful video.
Thanks 👍🤓
Thanks 🙏
@@VIKFPV You did a apex kiss setup video, could you do something similar for the fettec fc and 45amp esc? I want to do a fettec build, I have the fettec fc, waiting on the esc. 🤓
LOVING these tutorials VIK!!!
Thanks man
Great tips, keep’ em coming! 👊
Thanks man
Simple. To the point. Thanks Vik!
Thanks Rippppp on bro
Love your style !!! Do have any recommendations for a cheap ready 5” or 3” for freestyle?? Much love!!
Mmmm I don’t but I know Tmotor has a ready to fly freestyle frame pretty cheap. Haven’t used it but looks like a good deal from a good company
VIK FPV thank you brotha you the best! Learn so much from your vids!! U don’t think 3” have enough to freestyle properly?
Na I don’t but they look fun
trying to get wash on that setup
Hell yeah 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Words of wisdom!!!
Thanks man