@@IceBergTV very true. All of the injuries and inconsistent play you mentioned wouldn't have been as bad if Simon was still there, but all of those things happening together is rough. Maybe they make a play for Gannon next season to right the ship
Not sure if you've tried them yet but if you want a DD1 that's more like the flight numbers then the ones in the horizon plastic are more understable than the s-line for sure.
I've got 2 S line DD1s in the bag and they both flew just like my Graces...slight flip up with a good amount of fade. For perspective. I play at 7,000-10,000 feet elevation on my 3 home courses in Central Colorado. Down in Denver at 5,000' they both flip up to a slight turn with a baby fade on full power shots around 425'. Maybe I got lucky because they fly pretty close to the numbers for me. More perspective...I throw putters and mids a lot...so I generate a ton of spin to make up for arm speed, which increases my distance quite a bit on all discs. Maybe that's why they fly as advertised for me 🤷
Niklaus Antilla just whooped McBeth. Also my DD3s are perfect stability wise. Purple are like Destroyers, teal ones are less stable than the average Destroyer…?
Break the disc in. It does say 2 fade on the dd1. A thunderbird and a teebird are 2 fade and have plenty of hook up out of the box, but I don’t see you saying “Innova has a problem.” Teebirds and thunderbirds break in to be laser beams, and so does this DD1. This is one of the best discs of the year. The new md5, Nordic phenom and MD1 are excellent, and the fd1 is gonna be replacing the Innova made fd2s in pros bags if it hasn’t already. DM is killing it imo, and I came into these new releases prepared to say I liked the Innova molds better.
Skills problem for sure 😮. I joke, I can't really speak to older molds but I definitely have a different experience with newer discmania molds. I have only played for 4 years and maybe throw 400ft on a good day but more consistently 350-370ft throws, so I'm no big thrower. In my experience when you buy a new disc it usually is more overstable, but after a couple months of play the disc is going to become more understable and definitely flight alot more like you would imagine based on flight numbers. My one gripe about any DM mold that I have used is the eagle mcmahon creator series 2022 cloudbreaker that thing is way more neutral than I was expecting out of the box.
To be fair, Discmania does have a number of straight/stable and understable discs in their Active and Evolution lines, just started releasing discs in their CD (Control Driver) line, and may very well bring out 1 or more in the TD (Turning Driver) line to flesh out their Originals line. But their most popular discs they focused on in their Originals line are the P2, MD, FD, PD, and DD lines, which are typically more stable than the CD and TD lines. I'm not even a fanboy, but their new products are still coming out on the market, and where they are now is still a company that produces 36 discs all across the speeds and stabilities, per their website today.
Are other people here experiencing this? I have two S-Line DD1s in orange just like his, and I am not experiencing this problem. I throw 315-340 ft on the course for reference.
Currently bagging dline rainmaker, md, md3, fd, fd1 in c line plastic. A s line and c line pd and a c line cd1. All of them are great am discs except the c line pd
Im sort of on a "disagree" train with this disc, but I get your idea of real flight vs flight numbers. I also bag it and straight out of the box it felt like I got a wee bit faster PD. There were also some notable changes as I hit some trees with it and got nasty slides on the asphalt/concrete (bad throws and perks of our local course) and some magic happened to this disc! It is now easily holding the angle and gliding really well. I am also a noodle arm, but I had no hard feelings towards its misfire considering the flightnumbers and actual flight. It is definately a good disc to work on and with time it gets better. Also, I have a creator seris CB and after first throws I can say it felt more like Enigma than OG DD3. Surely, there are some fluctuations in runs and discs, but I think there are lot worse "inconsistent" manufacturers who may and probably should feel ashamed for delivering unreliable discs in regards of reality and the flight numbers 🙃
I don't know what you are on about because I think the new molds and plastics etc are very much more understable than before. When they are new they fly exactly like the numbers suggest. I throw maybe 400ft and DD3's are a hyzerflip disc even when new and my little beat up DD1 turns to rollers even when thrown on a little hyzer. Me and my friends have actually talked about how we like it that the new Discmania molds are much more workable because then Discmania will hopefully get a lot more sales. Never heard this take before, interesting to see that this is a problem.
Just for context i flick well over 400 (460-475 on my best throws) pretty easily and even full power anny 45 degrees still flexes out immediately. Maybe i just got a dud.
I use a really sharp knife and lightly guide it alot the flashing to get it off but keep a clean look. Maybe not worth the time lol but I usually don't use a disc right away until I get to a course.
I got a 2022 eagle s line cloud breaker, the first discmania disc I’ve ever touched. I was actually surprised at how understable it was personally. It has numbers like a destroyer, and I can only forehand it, but it definitely can get more turn that I expected without being uncontrollable. I threw it like 30ft farther than any other disc, but turned it over pretty good and it ended up 50-100ft left, and it just flipped wildly into headwinds. Plastic feels really great though. The Calvin destroyers are probably a little less stable ironically, I think because of just the incredible dome they have.
So a few comments to make from a Discmania loyal. Take that with a grain of salt if you want, but I just wanted to say a few things because I do enjoy your channel. 1. The stock S line run of this did come out very stable. As we all know, runs vary, as do plastic types within a certain mold. The horizon ones from the mystery box came out exactly like what the numbers suggest. Highly recommend trying one of those. 2. Discmania historically has kind of always catered to OS disc's that are more professional level friendly. The introduction of the Evolution/Active line has greatly helped us get some US molds (Origin, Genius, Essence, Enigma). 3. Discmania has also never been big on using actual numbers. Rather, relying on specific runs of certain disc's because of how certain runs came out uniquely from others. Because of that, you'll notice that you see all their top pros specifically calling out exact runs of a disc whenever they do an ITB video. (2nd run C-FD, 1st run C-PD, etc, etc). I'm sure one could argue that this is "inconsistency" in manufacturing, but it also gives you different flights within the same mold from run to run, plastic type to type, etc. Like you mentioned in this video, the new C-FD run came out really OS, while the S line run is pretty flippy. So if you throw the FD a lot, you could bag both and achieve the two different flights while having the same disc feel in hand. I'm sure those who aren't Discmania loyal may find that frustrating, but those of us who enjoy the brand like this way because we find runs we like and we will buy multiple of those runs.
Probably a fair assessment but they all struggle with consistency. I received the X-mania mystery box for father's day and was impressed with the Iron Samuri MD3, a C-line MD1, a Midnight Prowler Origin (hit the mid range jackpot) and the S-line FD. These all flew true to numbers for me, with average arm. A C-line FD1 was very over stable and I'd already owned a blue S-line DD1 that is more overstable than my son's Horizon version but maybe not as stable as your orange one.
You're right, all valid points, mister noodlearm ;p I have a 2022 FD in a glitter-C plastic (a tournament edition of sorts - 2022 Canadian Nationals), and it's very overstable, like a 0 3, and I get about 1/4 less distance when compared to a recent gstar Hawkeye which comes out of the old FD mold.
I agree. I bought a new DD1 a couple of weeks back and its way too stable. Ill have some use for it in headwind situations and forehand flexes. But its not going to be a disc for regular use.
@@matt6822 Sensi, Link, and even the P2 for putters. In fact, I've used all 3 for upshots as well. The Origin is a great mid range for beginners. And the Essence is a good beginner fairway driver, as well as the Genius. Want something more overstable, try the Maestro, or the Magician. I almost forgot, the Link is a great approach disc also.
Okay so, I don’t think it’s a problem. I think it’s a great thing, fd was hyped up a lot. But they came out too stable. Then they made new ones, that hyzer flip great, carry and glide forever. But now you have the same mold that can do two different things. I think that’s great. C line dd3 is a beef cake, good for wind. S line is a bomber. It’s good to have inconsistencies, because you can have multiple stabilities in the same mold. At least the plastic types are consistent, all c line dd3, fd, and pd’s are beef but all the s line counterparts are less stable. That’s with any manufacturer. Plus I’d rather have a semi stable disc I can use and see it beat up and fit a different slot to rotate within my bad then start off flippy and get un usable. I am sad the s line dd1 was beef because the horizon was perfect and I wanted the same disc in a stock run. Maybe the c line will be flipper. The cd1 is c line but flippy. The stock ones are, the crush boys stamped ones is not. I like that. Personally, give them time.
Totally agree on what you said on the C-line FD, it was (and is) totally beef. I would give mine numbers like 7,4,0,3 (the few times I use it it is as a pushing hyzer throw). I do love the FD1 and FD3 though and the C-line PD is beefy but really great as well as the S-line FD (as you said; it flies more like the numbers or even a little bit more flippy (e.g., 7,6,-1,1). Final note; the C-line CD1 is really good as well!
The s line dd1’s are def more beefy out of the box but,I love them for forehands and after I hit a few trees with it , it’s getting turn now and I backhand my horizon dd1’s as they are more flippy out of the box.
THANK YOU ! - As a new player I was introduced to discgolf by a Discmania fan, i my first bag was mainly D'mania discs... but as i bought new discs and such i felt i was bad, couldnt get the flight suggested by the numbers... so over the last year ive dabbeld with other brands, MVP/Axiom - Kastaplast - Innova up until recently when i got hold of some G-line discs and a bunch of used Innova produced ones... and wow - im returning to a D'mania bag for sure !!! with new discs as the OS slots, and used discs of the same molds as the US slots... My main/fav molds: P2, MD1, FD, CD and TD and - Discmana need to throw the Simon money at Gannon !!! Would love to see that
ahh... "good disc for normal people" - Origin ? MD1 ? I feel Discmania are well sorted up to Fairways - the Sensei, Tactic, MD-line, Genius and Essence are very beginner to "normal"-ppl molds IMO.
Its okay they just released a GOLDEN horizon cloudbreaker that is even MORE overstable than the regular colored ones... they are having issues getting the PD2 right but its okay they've made plenty of molds to replace it now.. I will give the s-line DD1 some credit though, I have one (purple) and I've throw a few dozen spike hyzers with it in very warm weather, it does have some turn now.. I've been throwing my C-line FD for two seasons now, the stamp is completely warn off and it still wont turn :(
I hear what you are saying but I disagree slightly. My biggest issue is this new DD1. It's too overstable for what it's supposed to be. You were talking about the C-Line MD3's and C-Line FD's. I personally love both of those discs. And saying they don't have anything on the flippier side isn't accurate either imo. The C-Line MD1's are super straight with great glide. Same with the S-Line FD's. They are also releasing a new DD soon, which is supposed to be understable driver. I guess we will wait and see. But I agree with this stock run of DD1. It's way too beefy but I hope it's just this first run
I have two molds from discmania. The hysteria and a few p2s. I don’t bag any of them anymore. Discraft, Mint, and Lonestar have taken up most of my bag.
I agree s-line DD1 is more overstable than the number suggest, at least out of the box! But if you try the horizon ones you’ll love them. Also I find the new s-line PD, FD and DD3 very reliable but less beefy (than C-line) for lower arm speed. I think as any other disc, as any other company, flight numbers are just numbers. Players who have some experience should know that it’s more about knowing how the disc will fly for you rather than expecting the disc to fly like the numbers suggest. I’d never think that a disc that Eagle throws will fly the same as when I throw it.
Rumor has it when they come out with their new version of the 'DD' it's supposed to be more understable than the Innova one. But I would put the S line DD1 they have now as the same flight numbers as the Innova DD (11,5, 0, 2). I bought an old Innova made DDx and that thing has more glide and turn than the DD1. That said the best discs they have I think are the 2022 Cloudbreakers, the Nordic Phenom, the Mind Bender, and the S line FD. Also the new MD5 is a great overstable midrange.
Thinking they’ll modify their molds (steal an expert from another manufacturer if needed) and give Gannon Buhr the largest contract so far to sign him after his Prodigy deal is over this year.
My dark blue s-line DD1 is definitely stable too, but there's some wiggle room for beat-in then. I find the fade is less extreme than the Halo Wraith I also bag, which was what I wanted. The Cloudbreakers and DD3s I've thrown turn a bit more than -1 IMO, especially after they've hit a tree or two.
Good takes Dillam for the most part, but saying they don’t have anyone good showcasing their discs is just wrong, especially leaving out people like Silas and Gavin. Definitely two of my favorite people on tour and one of the reasons why I keep buying Discmania. Both of those guys are super talented and both have some really good finishes at majors. It’s only a matter of time until they start picking up wins, especially considering how short their time has been on the pro tour. Keep up the great content
Can't comment on the dd1 because I haven't tried it, but that one looked overstable for sure. But imagine IF everything flew true to the flight numbers right out of the box, that would be a disaster then after a few weeks. I think it's kinda good that you have a more overstable option in the c-line and a less overstable option in the s-line with most discs. And to be fair the discs I have tried fly pretty true to the flight numbers after a week or two.
I agree with you that discmania is not doing as well. But the c line fds are so money for my arm speed. They are a more glidey teebird, i can get them out 380-400 feet dead straight. Im stocking them up
C-Line is definitely too over stable for me. Was looking forward to the S-Line DD1 but I'm still not getting much turn out of the disc. Glad to know I'm not the only one.
I feel like they’re like innova where right out of the box no matter what the disc is it’s way more stable then it should be, then once it gets beat in then it seems like a leopard or -2. Personally I’d rather have any disc on the more stable side even if it’s supposed to be flippy. Anybody know stable f7s please let me know !!! Lol
Man I throw mostly Discmania and was so exited for the DD1 thinking it would be a slightly slower DD3. ( maybe get a little more turn out of it with my noodle arm) I love my S-line FD And DD3. But you are 100% correct the DD1 is way to stable for the numbers it came with. I still like it but I use it for different shot shape then my DD3.
Super familiar with this issue. It's nice when it's an FD but when its any of their other discs, yea, too much beef. Its too over stable. Discmania has had this problem for a minute. It's too much.
I enjoy the new disc mania stuff, but I basically just ignore the flight numbers. Lovin the Nordic phenoms and the new cd1. Also the new fd’s are less stable than I personally anticipated
I got a dd1 stratosphere from they mystery box. It was a meathook as well. But they beat up quick and fly true later. Took 10ish rounds with it. Picked up Latt64 grace -- way happier with it.
From what I hear, I tend to agree. I don't know from which factory it comes from but Mind bender (MD1) seems to be very popular and fits everyone's bag for sure. Also, I do think Silas Schultz has been doing some good promo for the brand but he surely is no Simon, so I don't disagree with you there either.
How does the flashing feel under the rim, if it's noticably sharp it's going to trap air like a spoiler pushing the nose up and making it both slower and directly more overstable. The flashing is considered a molding imperfection so it's ok to remove it (it's going to remove itself after a few dozen landings on abrasive surfaces anyway) just be careful how it's done. I find sandpaper works well, I accidentally bricked (illegalized) a goldline ballista by using an x-acto knife and cutting deeper than the flashing due to the blade twisting so I don't recommend that method.
I would'nt agree with everthing you say. The c line fd and the dd1 s line is overstable as you said. Really not the numbers. But there are many discs, that are excellent. Rhe new md 5 is perfect, the dd3 s line is good, the p2 is good, the md3 is good, the metal flake fd3 is very good, the color glow fd is good as the s line fd, the razor claw tactic is very good and i'm very excited for the color glow c line p1 and p2. The So there are only a few that are not true to their numbers.
I got a c-line MD1 and love it, plastic feels great and it's my only ever ace disc. But also, like you said, a lot of their stuff seems too overstable for people with average arms. Probably why it's the only Discmania disc in my bag. They're also a couple bucks more expensive per disc, which makes a difference
Md1 is also not supposed to be a super overstable disc. In the same way as the FD. It's fine when you have that uptick in stability on a flippy-ish disc, but the majority of their frisbees are just all beef.
MD1 imo is the perfect stable disc. You can really put it on any angle and it will hold it. Been relearning my RHBH turnover shots with the c-line MD1.
If what you are saying is accurate then this is an example of why companies need to put out different numbers on discs of a batch of discs that come out different than intended. They should have tested several discs from each batch and been honest about the flight characteristics of the discs.
Couple of things...in my opinion discmanias innova made discs were just as overstable. It makes sense that they reinvent first for the pros so that they have discs to compete. So honest review would be to compare innova and new discs. Second thing is..eagle throws only 2-3 old innovamade discs .please watch in the bag or tournament coverage. Kyle klein throws only new discs...casey white is an outlier in the team. Thank you :)
MVP is impressively stable, so going 150g class fission solves the problem to get more turn. DM just needs to engage the lighter weight plastic offerings that they could get out of what Lat 64 does for westside/DDs light series (air).
I definitely feel mvp and axiom stable is way more stable than other company’s stable. I have a plasma photon that is more stable than a nuke OS or a max weight champion boss. That thing does not give a shit about wind, Randy Johnson in his prime forehanding couldn’t flip it.
So I used to bag a lot of “old discmania” and was a big fan of their plastic. I bought a decent amount of their new stuff until I stopped entirely recently.. the new stuff is VERY different from their old equivalents .. Bought the D-Line P2 (too deep, way different than old, not good) C-Line FD (seemed unreliable, didn’t considering bagging) Sky God 4 (just horrible all around) C-Line MD3 (not like the old one I had at all, not what I want in an MD3) C-Line DD3 (laughably beefy, has been reduced to a utility (water) disc that I was very disappointed in..) Nordic Phenom (didn’t make bag) Mind Bender (very good run, true to flight numbers. No complaints with it) Horizon FD3 (the last straw, like the tilt of fairways - bad) So 1/8? I’m losing faith in Discmania fast.. and this is as a fan of the company historically
For many years the disc mania numbers were not correct. Everything was over stable compared to the numbers including when Innova made all the discs. Everything‘s been more over stable than other companies. Kastaplast is probably the company that is on the other side of the spectrum. I haven’t purchased the new plastic but that’s been a problem with the company for a long time. The other problem is naming. They used to have kind of a prodigy labeling system. Which kind of makes sense although not as cool as the names other companies have marketed. But prodigy stuck with their system. And Disc mania is all over the board.
I agree that DM can't being doing too great. I bet big on the Horizon Cloudbreakers and those fell flat
They just have no mementum right now...
@@IceBergTV very true. All of the injuries and inconsistent play you mentioned wouldn't have been as bad if Simon was still there, but all of those things happening together is rough. Maybe they make a play for Gannon next season to right the ship
The gannon lottery is going to be a heck of a show👀
The Evolution line is full of GREAT Am discs. The Origin, Method, Instinct, Essence, and Enigma are amazing Am/beginner discs.
Not sure if you've tried them yet but if you want a DD1 that's more like the flight numbers then the ones in the horizon plastic are more understable than the s-line for sure.
I've got 2 S line DD1s in the bag and they both flew just like my Graces...slight flip up with a good amount of fade. For perspective. I play at 7,000-10,000 feet elevation on my 3 home courses in Central Colorado. Down in Denver at 5,000' they both flip up to a slight turn with a baby fade on full power shots around 425'. Maybe I got lucky because they fly pretty close to the numbers for me. More perspective...I throw putters and mids a lot...so I generate a ton of spin to make up for arm speed, which increases my distance quite a bit on all discs. Maybe that's why they fly as advertised for me 🤷
Oh that’s nothing a couple dozen spike hyzers into a soccer field can’t fix. Like a new baseball glove, you just gotta break it in a little bit.
Niklas Anttila! He is the man! And I think there is many other Discmania sponsored players to watch. But the point about the molds is valid.
Niklaus Antilla just whooped McBeth. Also my DD3s are perfect stability wise. Purple are like Destroyers, teal ones are less stable than the average Destroyer…?
Break the disc in. It does say 2 fade on the dd1. A thunderbird and a teebird are 2 fade and have plenty of hook up out of the box, but I don’t see you saying “Innova has a problem.” Teebirds and thunderbirds break in to be laser beams, and so does this DD1. This is one of the best discs of the year. The new md5, Nordic phenom and MD1 are excellent, and the fd1 is gonna be replacing the Innova made fd2s in pros bags if it hasn’t already. DM is killing it imo, and I came into these new releases prepared to say I liked the Innova molds better.
Skills problem for sure 😮. I joke, I can't really speak to older molds but I definitely have a different experience with newer discmania molds. I have only played for 4 years and maybe throw 400ft on a good day but more consistently 350-370ft throws, so I'm no big thrower.
In my experience when you buy a new disc it usually is more overstable, but after a couple months of play the disc is going to become more understable and definitely flight alot more like you would imagine based on flight numbers.
My one gripe about any DM mold that I have used is the eagle mcmahon creator series 2022 cloudbreaker that thing is way more neutral than I was expecting out of the box.
To be fair, Discmania does have a number of straight/stable and understable discs in their Active and Evolution lines, just started releasing discs in their CD (Control Driver) line, and may very well bring out 1 or more in the TD (Turning Driver) line to flesh out their Originals line. But their most popular discs they focused on in their Originals line are the P2, MD, FD, PD, and DD lines, which are typically more stable than the CD and TD lines. I'm not even a fanboy, but their new products are still coming out on the market, and where they are now is still a company that produces 36 discs all across the speeds and stabilities, per their website today.
Keep in mind they retooled their new DD3 after the first C-line run. They could do the same for the S-line DD1.
Are other people here experiencing this? I have two S-Line DD1s in orange just like his, and I am not experiencing this problem. I throw 315-340 ft on the course for reference.
Currently bagging dline rainmaker, md, md3, fd, fd1 in c line plastic. A s line and c line pd and a c line cd1. All of them are great am discs except the c line pd
Im sort of on a "disagree" train with this disc, but I get your idea of real flight vs flight numbers. I also bag it and straight out of the box it felt like I got a wee bit faster PD. There were also some notable changes as I hit some trees with it and got nasty slides on the asphalt/concrete (bad throws and perks of our local course) and some magic happened to this disc! It is now easily holding the angle and gliding really well. I am also a noodle arm, but I had no hard feelings towards its misfire considering the flightnumbers and actual flight. It is definately a good disc to work on and with time it gets better. Also, I have a creator seris CB and after first throws I can say it felt more like Enigma than OG DD3. Surely, there are some fluctuations in runs and discs, but I think there are lot worse "inconsistent" manufacturers who may and probably should feel ashamed for delivering unreliable discs in regards of reality and the flight numbers 🙃
I don't know what you are on about because I think the new molds and plastics etc are very much more understable than before. When they are new they fly exactly like the numbers suggest. I throw maybe 400ft and DD3's are a hyzerflip disc even when new and my little beat up DD1 turns to rollers even when thrown on a little hyzer. Me and my friends have actually talked about how we like it that the new Discmania molds are much more workable because then Discmania will hopefully get a lot more sales. Never heard this take before, interesting to see that this is a problem.
Just for context i flick well over 400 (460-475 on my best throws) pretty easily and even full power anny 45 degrees still flexes out immediately. Maybe i just got a dud.
I would love some video of your hyzer DD1-roller. And Bigfoot
How about the Enigma and Paradigm? I thought the dd1 was on par with most wraiths out the box
Mines beef
that dump / fade is good for pros that can throw huge. Not all that useful for most intermediate and even advanced if you're trying for max distance.
Last year’s Cloudbreaker Creator series is fantastic… a destroyer with more glide.
Started rubbing the bottom of the disc on a concrete tee pad to help get flashing off and they fly way better brand new
I use a really sharp knife and lightly guide it alot the flashing to get it off but keep a clean look. Maybe not worth the time lol but I usually don't use a disc right away until I get to a course.
just get a piece of sandpaper, much better
the MD1 is an amazing midrange, your tripping on this video. Essence, Enigma.
also the new cd1 is not overstable at all, it's a great disc as well.
I got a 2022 eagle s line cloud breaker, the first discmania disc I’ve ever touched. I was actually surprised at how understable it was personally. It has numbers like a destroyer, and I can only forehand it, but it definitely can get more turn that I expected without being uncontrollable. I threw it like 30ft farther than any other disc, but turned it over pretty good and it ended up 50-100ft left, and it just flipped wildly into headwinds. Plastic feels really great though. The Calvin destroyers are probably a little less stable ironically, I think because of just the incredible dome they have.
So a few comments to make from a Discmania loyal. Take that with a grain of salt if you want, but I just wanted to say a few things because I do enjoy your channel.
1. The stock S line run of this did come out very stable. As we all know, runs vary, as do plastic types within a certain mold. The horizon ones from the mystery box came out exactly like what the numbers suggest. Highly recommend trying one of those.
2. Discmania historically has kind of always catered to OS disc's that are more professional level friendly. The introduction of the Evolution/Active line has greatly helped us get some US molds (Origin, Genius, Essence, Enigma).
3. Discmania has also never been big on using actual numbers. Rather, relying on specific runs of certain disc's because of how certain runs came out uniquely from others. Because of that, you'll notice that you see all their top pros specifically calling out exact runs of a disc whenever they do an ITB video. (2nd run C-FD, 1st run C-PD, etc, etc). I'm sure one could argue that this is "inconsistency" in manufacturing, but it also gives you different flights within the same mold from run to run, plastic type to type, etc. Like you mentioned in this video, the new C-FD run came out really OS, while the S line run is pretty flippy. So if you throw the FD a lot, you could bag both and achieve the two different flights while having the same disc feel in hand.
I'm sure those who aren't Discmania loyal may find that frustrating, but those of us who enjoy the brand like this way because we find runs we like and we will buy multiple of those runs.
Companies also need to put out flight numbers based on disc rotation numbers and/or disc release speed.
Probably a fair assessment but they all struggle with consistency. I received the X-mania mystery box for father's day and was impressed with the Iron Samuri MD3, a C-line MD1, a Midnight Prowler Origin (hit the mid range jackpot) and the S-line FD. These all flew true to numbers for me, with average arm. A C-line FD1 was very over stable and I'd already owned a blue S-line DD1 that is more overstable than my son's Horizon version but maybe not as stable as your orange one.
You're right, all valid points, mister noodlearm ;p
I have a 2022 FD in a glitter-C plastic (a tournament edition of sorts - 2022 Canadian Nationals), and it's very overstable, like a 0 3, and I get about 1/4 less distance when compared to a recent gstar Hawkeye which comes out of the old FD mold.
Um, and Niklas Antilla
I agree. I bought a new DD1 a couple of weeks back and its way too stable. Ill have some use for it in headwind situations and forehand flexes. But its not going to be a disc for regular use.
Discmania has GREAT discs! Even for beginners.
Like what do you recommend?
@@matt6822 Sensi, Link, and even the P2 for putters. In fact, I've used all 3 for upshots as well. The Origin is a great mid range for beginners. And the Essence is a good beginner fairway driver, as well as the Genius. Want something more overstable, try the Maestro, or the Magician. I almost forgot, the Link is a great approach disc also.
@@matt6822 Also the Logic as an approach disc.
It's also a premium plastic thing, every manufacturer's top-line plastic is more stable.
Discmania KILLED the S-line FD. Mine does anything and everything I could have ever asked it to do and it immediately became a staple in my bag
A little off topic but I think disc manufacturers should adjust flight numbers based on plastic type and even when weights differ by 10 or more grams.
Discmania turned down a sponsorship request huh? Lol
Okay so, I don’t think it’s a problem. I think it’s a great thing, fd was hyped up a lot. But they came out too stable. Then they made new ones, that hyzer flip great, carry and glide forever. But now you have the same mold that can do two different things. I think that’s great. C line dd3 is a beef cake, good for wind. S line is a bomber. It’s good to have inconsistencies, because you can have multiple stabilities in the same mold. At least the plastic types are consistent, all c line dd3, fd, and pd’s are beef but all the s line counterparts are less stable. That’s with any manufacturer. Plus I’d rather have a semi stable disc I can use and see it beat up and fit a different slot to rotate within my bad then start off flippy and get un usable. I am sad the s line dd1 was beef because the horizon was perfect and I wanted the same disc in a stock run. Maybe the c line will be flipper. The cd1 is c line but flippy. The stock ones are, the crush boys stamped ones is not. I like that. Personally, give them time.
You really forgot mention Niklas Anttila who playing really well. And what i know he really likes new S-line DD1.
Totally agree on what you said on the C-line FD, it was (and is) totally beef. I would give mine numbers like 7,4,0,3 (the few times I use it it is as a pushing hyzer throw). I do love the FD1 and FD3 though and the C-line PD is beefy but really great as well as the S-line FD (as you said; it flies more like the numbers or even a little bit more flippy (e.g., 7,6,-1,1). Final note; the C-line CD1 is really good as well!
The s line dd1’s are def more beefy out of the box but,I love them for forehands and after I hit a few trees with it , it’s getting turn now and I backhand my horizon dd1’s as they are more flippy out of the box.
THANK YOU ! - As a new player I was introduced to discgolf by a Discmania fan, i my first bag was mainly D'mania discs... but as i bought new discs and such i felt i was bad, couldnt get the flight suggested by the numbers... so over the last year ive dabbeld with other brands, MVP/Axiom - Kastaplast - Innova up until recently when i got hold of some G-line discs and a bunch of used Innova produced ones... and wow - im returning to a D'mania bag for sure !!! with new discs as the OS slots, and used discs of the same molds as the US slots...
My main/fav molds: P2, MD1, FD, CD and TD
and - Discmana need to throw the Simon money at Gannon !!! Would love to see that
ahh... "good disc for normal people" - Origin ? MD1 ? I feel Discmania are well sorted up to Fairways - the Sensei, Tactic, MD-line, Genius and Essence are very beginner to "normal"-ppl molds IMO.
No Respect for Niklas? top 10 player in the world
Its okay they just released a GOLDEN horizon cloudbreaker that is even MORE overstable than the regular colored ones... they are having issues getting the PD2 right but its okay they've made plenty of molds to replace it now.. I will give the s-line DD1 some credit though, I have one (purple) and I've throw a few dozen spike hyzers with it in very warm weather, it does have some turn now.. I've been throwing my C-line FD for two seasons now, the stamp is completely warn off and it still wont turn :(
I hear what you are saying but I disagree slightly. My biggest issue is this new DD1. It's too overstable for what it's supposed to be. You were talking about the C-Line MD3's and C-Line FD's. I personally love both of those discs. And saying they don't have anything on the flippier side isn't accurate either imo. The C-Line MD1's are super straight with great glide. Same with the S-Line FD's. They are also releasing a new DD soon, which is supposed to be understable driver. I guess we will wait and see. But I agree with this stock run of DD1. It's way too beefy but I hope it's just this first run
I find it is really difficult to throw my mutant, less than 475 ft.
I have two molds from discmania. The hysteria and a few p2s. I don’t bag any of them anymore. Discraft, Mint, and Lonestar have taken up most of my bag.
I agree s-line DD1 is more overstable than the number suggest, at least out of the box! But if you try the horizon ones you’ll love them. Also I find the new s-line PD, FD and DD3 very reliable but less beefy (than C-line) for lower arm speed.
I think as any other disc, as any other company, flight numbers are just numbers. Players who have some experience should know that it’s more about knowing how the disc will fly for you rather than expecting the disc to fly like the numbers suggest. I’d never think that a disc that Eagle throws will fly the same as when I throw it.
That grunt was pushing power 0:41 😂😂 great video!
Rumor has it when they come out with their new version of the 'DD' it's supposed to be more understable than the Innova one. But I would put the S line DD1 they have now as the same flight numbers as the Innova DD (11,5, 0, 2). I bought an old Innova made DDx and that thing has more glide and turn than the DD1. That said the best discs they have I think are the 2022 Cloudbreakers, the Nordic Phenom, the Mind Bender, and the S line FD. Also the new MD5 is a great overstable midrange.
I know a lot of ppl that throw their stuff. None of it ends up in the bag with consistency. They make discs for open level pros.
Thinking they’ll modify their molds (steal an expert from another manufacturer if needed) and give Gannon Buhr the largest contract so far to sign him after his Prodigy deal is over this year.
My s-line DD3 is more overstable than my Cloud Breaker 3. I have thrown my buddys s-line and it’s completely different than mine
My dark blue s-line DD1 is definitely stable too, but there's some wiggle room for beat-in then. I find the fade is less extreme than the Halo Wraith I also bag, which was what I wanted. The Cloudbreakers and DD3s I've thrown turn a bit more than -1 IMO, especially after they've hit a tree or two.
I actually laughed out loud at the first flight of the “DD1” 💀💀💀
I totally agree. DD1, FD, totally impossible to throw with my slow arm :-(. On the other hand P1 is amazing.
Good takes Dillam for the most part, but saying they don’t have anyone good showcasing their discs is just wrong, especially leaving out people like Silas and Gavin. Definitely two of my favorite people on tour and one of the reasons why I keep buying Discmania. Both of those guys are super talented and both have some really good finishes at majors. It’s only a matter of time until they start picking up wins, especially considering how short their time has been on the pro tour. Keep up the great content
No Respect for Niklas? top 10 player in the world
Ella? Come on FPO is worth your time!
I mean the DD3 S-lines are flippy as hell. They are good in tail winds but that’s pretty much it.
Can't comment on the dd1 because I haven't tried it, but that one looked overstable for sure. But imagine IF everything flew true to the flight numbers right out of the box, that would be a disaster then after a few weeks. I think it's kinda good that you have a more overstable option in the c-line and a less overstable option in the s-line with most discs. And to be fair the discs I have tried fly pretty true to the flight numbers after a week or two.
I agree with you that discmania is not doing as well. But the c line fds are so money for my arm speed. They are a more glidey teebird, i can get them out 380-400 feet dead straight. Im stocking them up
You are definitely among the lucky few to pump an FD 400ft.
My purple dd3 is 171g and is awesome. It took a month or 2 but it's sweet now
The dd3 is good but this dd1 is more os than my c line pd2
C-Line is definitely too over stable for me. Was looking forward to the S-Line DD1 but I'm still not getting much turn out of the disc. Glad to know I'm not the only one.
I feel like they’re like innova where right out of the box no matter what the disc is it’s way more stable then it should be, then once it gets beat in then it seems like a leopard or -2. Personally I’d rather have any disc on the more stable side even if it’s supposed to be flippy. Anybody know stable f7s please let me know !!! Lol
In my experience, any disc with the turn and fade of -1, 2 that is over a 7 speed has that kind of characteristic. More overstable than the numbers.
Disagree, fd1 exactly what I wanted. Cd1 and md1 more understable which is fine with me. The sline dd1 is a problem.
Man I throw mostly Discmania and was so exited for the DD1 thinking it would be a slightly slower DD3. ( maybe get a little more turn out of it with my noodle arm) I love my S-line FD And DD3. But you are 100% correct the DD1 is way to stable for the numbers it came with. I still like it but I use it for different shot shape then my DD3.
you know they can't be doing well because I don't even get a Jolly Rancher or a sticker in my orders anymore.
Get the horizon one, they’re money
I have had discs from innova and MVP that don’t seem to correlate with the flight numbers either.
I’ve only tried the new C-Line FD. Definitely way more stable than my old Innova-made S-Line FDs.
Super familiar with this issue. It's nice when it's an FD but when its any of their other discs, yea, too much beef. Its too over stable. Discmania has had this problem for a minute. It's too much.
I throw a red horizon dd1 and it flies close to the numbers and it has very good glide I wonder why the new s line is so different
I enjoy the new disc mania stuff, but I basically just ignore the flight numbers. Lovin the Nordic phenoms and the new cd1. Also the new fd’s are less stable than I personally anticipated
Ella carrying Discmania, but for real I bought a C Line FD and they were beef cakes
Paradigm would be the real DD1 (Flight wise) or am i wrong?
I got a dd1 stratosphere from they mystery box. It was a meathook as well. But they beat up quick and fly true later. Took 10ish rounds with it. Picked up Latt64 grace -- way happier with it.
From what I hear, I tend to agree. I don't know from which factory it comes from but Mind bender (MD1) seems to be very popular and fits everyone's bag for sure.
Also, I do think Silas Schultz has been doing some good promo for the brand but he surely is no Simon, so I don't disagree with you there either.
How does the flashing feel under the rim, if it's noticably sharp it's going to trap air like a spoiler pushing the nose up and making it both slower and directly more overstable. The flashing is considered a molding imperfection so it's ok to remove it (it's going to remove itself after a few dozen landings on abrasive surfaces anyway) just be careful how it's done. I find sandpaper works well, I accidentally bricked (illegalized) a goldline ballista by using an x-acto knife and cutting deeper than the flashing due to the blade twisting so I don't recommend that method.
I've had the same problem with Innovas but the other way around
Definitely more over stable than the DD3
Also bought dark blue DD1 this week. Its much more overstable than my Lone Howl III PD.
Miss the innova made discs... Discmania's best days for sure
I would'nt agree with everthing you say. The c line fd and the dd1 s line is overstable as you said. Really not the numbers. But there are many discs, that are excellent. Rhe new md 5 is perfect, the dd3 s line is good, the p2 is good, the md3 is good, the metal flake fd3 is very good, the color glow fd is good as the s line fd, the razor claw tactic is very good and i'm very excited for the color glow c line p1 and p2. The So there are only a few that are not true to their numbers.
I basically agree. Maybe it will be sweet when it beats in.
They are saving the money up for Gannon
Maybe?!
I got a c-line MD1 and love it, plastic feels great and it's my only ever ace disc.
But also, like you said, a lot of their stuff seems too overstable for people with average arms. Probably why it's the only Discmania disc in my bag.
They're also a couple bucks more expensive per disc, which makes a difference
Md1 is also not supposed to be a super overstable disc. In the same way as the FD. It's fine when you have that uptick in stability on a flippy-ish disc, but the majority of their frisbees are just all beef.
MD1 imo is the perfect stable disc. You can really put it on any angle and it will hold it. Been relearning my RHBH turnover shots with the c-line MD1.
If you need more understable just try the s-line version of it!
If what you are saying is accurate then this is an example of why companies need to put out different numbers on discs of a batch of discs that come out different than intended. They should have tested several discs from each batch and been honest about the flight characteristics of the discs.
What about Silas Schultz??
Couple of things...in my opinion discmanias innova made discs were just as overstable. It makes sense that they reinvent first for the pros so that they have discs to compete. So honest review would be to compare innova and new discs. Second thing is..eagle throws only 2-3 old innovamade discs .please watch in the bag or tournament coverage. Kyle klein throws only new discs...casey white is an outlier in the team. Thank you :)
MVP is impressively stable, so going 150g class fission solves the problem to get more turn. DM just needs to engage the lighter weight plastic offerings that they could get out of what Lat 64 does for westside/DDs light series (air).
I definitely feel mvp and axiom stable is way more stable than other company’s stable. I have a plasma photon that is more stable than a nuke OS or a max weight champion boss. That thing does not give a shit about wind, Randy Johnson in his prime forehanding couldn’t flip it.
They have Silas and he’s been on a tear lately
So I used to bag a lot of “old discmania” and was a big fan of their plastic. I bought a decent amount of their new stuff until I stopped entirely recently.. the new stuff is VERY different from their old equivalents ..
Bought the
D-Line P2 (too deep, way different than old, not good)
C-Line FD (seemed unreliable, didn’t considering bagging)
Sky God 4 (just horrible all around)
C-Line MD3 (not like the old one I had at all, not what I want in an MD3)
C-Line DD3 (laughably beefy, has been reduced to a utility (water) disc that I was very disappointed in..)
Nordic Phenom (didn’t make bag)
Mind Bender (very good run, true to flight numbers. No complaints with it)
Horizon FD3 (the last straw, like the tilt of fairways - bad)
So 1/8? I’m losing faith in Discmania fast.. and this is as a fan of the company historically
You're forgetting the Nordic fenom
My DD1 is flying like 11/4/0/3. Big beefy disappointment… Needs to be completely retooled.
For years Ive heard people sweat the fd. I tried C-line. Lol. Domey, less comfortable Banshee or Barsby Eagle. FD sucks
Who even is Niklas Anttila...?😂
Mind Bender/MD1 is the best disc discmania has released yet
Every manufacturer has a problem with inconsistent disc production bro. The worst is prodigy
The md1 is a great disc for everyone!!
center plastic is too thin
Dang that thing doesn't go anywhere
LISTEN DISCMANIA!
Love that honesty
For many years the disc mania numbers were not correct. Everything was over stable compared to the numbers including when Innova made all the discs. Everything‘s been more over stable than other companies. Kastaplast is probably the company that is on the other side of the spectrum. I haven’t purchased the new plastic but that’s been a problem with the company for a long time. The other problem is naming. They used to have kind of a prodigy labeling system. Which kind of makes sense although not as cool as the names other companies have marketed. But prodigy stuck with their system. And Disc mania is all over the board.
Zen 2 is awesome and super easy to throw.
I know mine is a beef cake. Love the s line fd tho
😂 Throw harder my man.