I think you underestimate Mehmed while for me Alex is a bit outdated now. If i would go for 7 march : 1- XY/Mehmed 2- Nevsky/William 3- Guan/Leo 4- Scipio/Honda 5- Nebu/YSG 6- Boudica/Arte or Boudica/Tomy depending on the situation 7- Trajan/Aethel Otherwise great video, keep it up bro ;)
This looks good to me as well. I still prefer Alex because of his AoE debuff adding 30% all damage taken for 4 seconds for 3 enemies is just so strong in murderball situations. If I were using the lineup you listed here, I would actually drop Leo and just run Guan/Alex (mostly for the march speed in the OF). In fact, the marches you have listed here are similar to my OL marches: Guan/Alex, Scipio/Honda, XY/Mehmed, Nebu/YSG, Nevsky/William
I like ur video a lot and i have subscribed in ur channel...all what u r saying is true the most important thung who fire his skill damage 1st espically in murderball My question is i have expertised guan,scipio,harald and alex....my leo is 5511 and i want to go with 2 infantry marches,what is ur advice?
Out of those five, I would go with Guan/Scipio and Alex/Harald (or Harald/Alex). Leo is a good pair with Guan, but I find him to be so slow in the open field. With these pairs you will have plenty of march speed to escape bad situations.
@@PsychOutROK thanks so much bro...but as u said in ur video is it better to split Guan and scipio?...coz i was just have 2 marches Scipio/harald and Guan/Alex...what do u think scipio better with harald or alex is better?
@@AhmedHassan-dv2wc I think the Guan/Scipio and Alex/Harald combo is better because there is a stronger synergy between Guan/Scipio than Guan/Alex. With Scipio there is a real probability of gaining a shield while Guan is casting his active skill, creating more skill damage. With Alex, the skill cycle is usually not fast enough to actually benefit from Guan's expertise. Second, 30% rage speed increase for 4 seconds is a lot (it's just base rage, so that should be 111 (instead of 86) and 20 (instead of 16) base rage per turn if you are winning. So instead of 112 rage, you should get 131 rage for 4 seconds. That is nearly 80 extra rage, which often helps you fire your skill again, 1 turn faster. Also, even though I am not a fan of Harald, the Alex/Harald combo (or Harald/Alex) seems to be well-tested as putting out a ton of single target damage. So I would stick with those pairs. Of course, you can do Guan/Alex and Scipio/Harald, I just think you are giving up a bit of synergy.
Last kvk my two infantry marches was guan/scipio and harald/alex. I found harald/scipio and harald/alex performanced the best. Guan/scipio even though I used it the whole kvk other than altars always had the third best reports. Nev/William was even with any harald march. My harald who I expertised and used for the first time this kvk now has more kills from this one kvk than my nevsky in 2. his a beast
@@PsychOutROK he melts the target. No he makes the target explode when you pair him with a nev/William. Clear the field super fast. With alex or scipio behind him you are either debuffing the targets health or making them take more damage with Alex’s debuff. Isn’t as targeted as other commanders also. It’s a win win. He casts active skill fast than scipio or alex primary also due to his 4th skill.
@@soulstart89 I guess I will have to take you at your word. All I know is that I didn't see anyone from 1960 running Harald in the OF. And I doubt we will see anyone running Harald in the OF in osiris league. I get that in 1v1 situations he looks good, but for me, he just doesn't bring enough to the entire ball.
@@PsychOutROK yeah on 1960 most don’t. They are more archer based. My guan march would always get sad faced before harald. My gear is good also. I just felt disappointed with that march. The enemy wouldn’t realise I have scipio or alex behind him so I’m helping debuffing while clearing the field. I like how everyone doesn’t use him makes his march not a priority. The longer you leave him alone and he stacks that attack when you do decide to attack his counterattack is unpowered by the attack. It hurts them ALOT lol. One of the most versatile commanders.
@@PsychOutROK true. I was able to keep my rage while switching so it’s not that much of a issue “most” of the time lol. Haralds instant proc helps melts the out of target march and then i would lock onto another.
FYI Alex’s AoE debuff is in a “CIRCULAR” AoE so meaning if you are in a murderball fight who said Alex’s Debuff will debuff your specific target OR the few marches in front of all your attacking AoE marches? Basically Alex’s debuff CAN & most likely hit somewhere OUT of range from where all your AoE marches that are actually firing in the same cone direction to your target because there will be 20+ marches around you. So Scipio SHOULD be first at least his talent option & being primary will target your actual cone where all your other AoE will benefit the debuff. Hope you understand that explanation lol. Now if you’re talking about canyon or 1v1 (5marches vs 5 marches) then sure it’ll work because in circular area there will only be 5 marches around you.
I understand that his debuff is circular. And you are right that sometimes it will debuff targets you aren't personally hitting. In my experience though, when lag is not awful, it is relatively easy to keep the target marches in front of you in which case the march you are hitting will be debuffed. I do not think it is very likely that NONE of the marches you are hitting will be debuffed by Alex, considering all of the AoE. But the bigger point is that I don't really mind if it is debuffing a target behind me anyway. That's where my teammates are and that can only help them. It's never about my personal trades in a murderball situation: it's about clearing the field. Regardless, I think either Scipio or Alex primary is a defensible option. The biggest issue with Alex primary is situations where you leave the battle without Scipio using his skill.
Two best inf pairs have to be guan scipi and pakal harald if we are speaking best of the best marches and you try to do anything else with two pairs you are trolling
Well, I disagree and that is because Pakal + Harald is simply not a good march for clearing the field and swarming flags. The march offers nothing to your murderball. It is a selfish march. Yes, it gets great trades. And if your goal is to get great trades and get 30m kills as cheaply as possible, then by all means go Pakal + Harald. But it is not a good march for winning KVKs or winning in Ark of Osiris. If you watched 1960s recent KVK you will see almost zero Pakal + Harald's in their lineups. Watch OL this season. The top teams will not be using Pakal + Harald. The losing teams will. I understand why it seems like Pakal + Harald is so good (because it does trade well), but what it does well is not the objective of the game, in my opinion.
@@PsychOutROK yeah thats correct but top teams rarely if ever run more inf marches than guan scipi if they bring more infanterie units its most of the time a trajan march and if we talk open field fighting i think two murderballs that are exactly the same besides one bringing pakal harald and the other splits guan scipi for leo and alex id bet my money on the pakal harald mb But i guess we can agree to disagree
After playing this game over 500 days. I'm starting to believe that ROK is not for f2p. Richard is the best. Finally max Richard is out YSG is the best. Finally max YSG. YSG is out. Alexander is the best. Finally max Alexander. Alexander is out. Harold is the best. Finally max Harold. Harold is out. I don't know what to max anymore as a f2p. By the time you finally max something. Something came out to destroy it. 😥
Unfortunately, the best strategy is often to save up your gold heads until you can max a commander completely. When a new commander comes that is really strong, you can instantly max. But there is almost always going to be commander power creep in a game like this.
@@PsychOutROK I tried to use what I have already max and add the new one. Guan already max/Scipio work on Charles already max/Harold Honda/Alex already max Boudicca/YSG already max Nevsky/William Aetheflaed is max but scared that she would bring a big hospital bill.
@@dapooramericanhomesteadfar7192 You can put aethelflaed as a secondary to many commanders. In your lineup, I'd stop working on Harald and put her behind charles. I think your lineup is in pretty good shape for a f2p/low spender.
@@dapooramericanhomesteadfar7192 I think the best civilizations right now for most players are: (1) France if below VIP 15 (for the healing speed), (2) Germany if truly free-to-play (for the AP recovery and training), (3) Ottoman for open field (march speed and skill damage for all troops), (4) Viking if you are really heavy (3 or more marches) on infantry or garrison, (5) Arabia / Egypt if you are a rally lead for cavs / archers. I am Ottoman right now and am unlikely to change any time soon. If you are mostly an open field player and have VIP, then I think Ottoman is the best choice.
It is almost certainly more tanky than Trajan + Aethelflaed, but I don't think Ragnar offers enough to your murderball. He only buffs his own march and does a healing debuff. But in SoC, healing isn't really a big thing (other then Zeno and there are better options to counter healing). An interesting idea, but I don't see it as being a top-tier pairing.
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Cool vid. Fully agree how great nev/William is. This march is such a asset on the field.
Great video
I think you underestimate Mehmed while for me Alex is a bit outdated now. If i would go for 7 march :
1- XY/Mehmed
2- Nevsky/William
3- Guan/Leo
4- Scipio/Honda
5- Nebu/YSG
6- Boudica/Arte or Boudica/Tomy depending on the situation
7- Trajan/Aethel
Otherwise great video, keep it up bro ;)
This looks good to me as well. I still prefer Alex because of his AoE debuff adding 30% all damage taken for 4 seconds for 3 enemies is just so strong in murderball situations. If I were using the lineup you listed here, I would actually drop Leo and just run Guan/Alex (mostly for the march speed in the OF). In fact, the marches you have listed here are similar to my OL marches:
Guan/Alex, Scipio/Honda, XY/Mehmed, Nebu/YSG, Nevsky/William
I like ur video a lot and i have subscribed in ur channel...all what u r saying is true the most important thung who fire his skill damage 1st espically in murderball
My question is i have expertised guan,scipio,harald and alex....my leo is 5511 and i want to go with 2 infantry marches,what is ur advice?
Out of those five, I would go with Guan/Scipio and Alex/Harald (or Harald/Alex). Leo is a good pair with Guan, but I find him to be so slow in the open field. With these pairs you will have plenty of march speed to escape bad situations.
@@PsychOutROK thanks so much bro...but as u said in ur video is it better to split Guan and scipio?...coz i was just have 2 marches Scipio/harald and Guan/Alex...what do u think scipio better with harald or alex is better?
@@AhmedHassan-dv2wc I think the Guan/Scipio and Alex/Harald combo is better because there is a stronger synergy between Guan/Scipio than Guan/Alex. With Scipio there is a real probability of gaining a shield while Guan is casting his active skill, creating more skill damage. With Alex, the skill cycle is usually not fast enough to actually benefit from Guan's expertise. Second, 30% rage speed increase for 4 seconds is a lot (it's just base rage, so that should be 111 (instead of 86) and 20 (instead of 16) base rage per turn if you are winning. So instead of 112 rage, you should get 131 rage for 4 seconds. That is nearly 80 extra rage, which often helps you fire your skill again, 1 turn faster. Also, even though I am not a fan of Harald, the Alex/Harald combo (or Harald/Alex) seems to be well-tested as putting out a ton of single target damage. So I would stick with those pairs. Of course, you can do Guan/Alex and Scipio/Harald, I just think you are giving up a bit of synergy.
@@PsychOutROK thanks so much bro...u were so honest in ur reply...i feel it😊
Last kvk my two infantry marches was guan/scipio and harald/alex.
I found harald/scipio and harald/alex performanced the best. Guan/scipio even though I used it the whole kvk other than altars always had the third best reports. Nev/William was even with any harald march.
My harald who I expertised and used for the first time this kvk now has more kills from this one kvk than my nevsky in 2. his a beast
The issue with Harald isn't whether he gets kills and whether he generates good reports. It is what he adds to your murderball.
@@PsychOutROK he melts the target. No he makes the target explode when you pair him with a nev/William. Clear the field super fast. With alex or scipio behind him you are either debuffing the targets health or making them take more damage with Alex’s debuff. Isn’t as targeted as other commanders also.
It’s a win win. He casts active skill fast than scipio or alex primary also due to his 4th skill.
@@soulstart89 I guess I will have to take you at your word. All I know is that I didn't see anyone from 1960 running Harald in the OF. And I doubt we will see anyone running Harald in the OF in osiris league. I get that in 1v1 situations he looks good, but for me, he just doesn't bring enough to the entire ball.
@@PsychOutROK yeah on 1960 most don’t. They are more archer based.
My guan march would always get sad faced before harald. My gear is good also. I just felt disappointed with that march.
The enemy wouldn’t realise I have scipio or alex behind him so I’m helping debuffing while clearing the field.
I like how everyone doesn’t use him makes his march not a priority. The longer you leave him alone and he stacks that attack when you do decide to attack his counterattack is unpowered by the attack. It hurts them ALOT lol.
One of the most versatile commanders.
@@soulstart89 harald has a ton of attack...leaving him alone is a pretty big mistake imo.
With guan/scipio you get a consistent 6 turn skill cycle after guans first skill cycle.
Yeah, the catch is, how often do you get to run out multiple skill cycles? A lot of fighting is cycle and out.
@@PsychOutROK true. I was able to keep my rage while switching so it’s not that much of a issue “most” of the time lol. Haralds instant proc helps melts the out of target march and then i would lock onto another.
FYI Alex’s AoE debuff is in a “CIRCULAR” AoE so meaning if you are in a murderball fight who said Alex’s Debuff will debuff your specific target OR the few marches in front of all your attacking AoE marches? Basically Alex’s debuff CAN & most likely hit somewhere OUT of range from where all your AoE marches that are actually firing in the same cone direction to your target because there will be 20+ marches around you. So Scipio SHOULD be first at least his talent option & being primary will target your actual cone where all your other AoE will benefit the debuff. Hope you understand that explanation lol.
Now if you’re talking about canyon or 1v1 (5marches vs 5 marches) then sure it’ll work because in circular area there will only be 5 marches around you.
I understand that his debuff is circular. And you are right that sometimes it will debuff targets you aren't personally hitting. In my experience though, when lag is not awful, it is relatively easy to keep the target marches in front of you in which case the march you are hitting will be debuffed. I do not think it is very likely that NONE of the marches you are hitting will be debuffed by Alex, considering all of the AoE. But the bigger point is that I don't really mind if it is debuffing a target behind me anyway. That's where my teammates are and that can only help them. It's never about my personal trades in a murderball situation: it's about clearing the field. Regardless, I think either Scipio or Alex primary is a defensible option. The biggest issue with Alex primary is situations where you leave the battle without Scipio using his skill.
Only Archers really have the possibility of doing an optimal 3 matches of the same troop type right now in Rok
Two best inf pairs have to be guan scipi and pakal harald if we are speaking best of the best marches and you try to do anything else with two pairs you are trolling
Well, I disagree and that is because Pakal + Harald is simply not a good march for clearing the field and swarming flags. The march offers nothing to your murderball. It is a selfish march. Yes, it gets great trades. And if your goal is to get great trades and get 30m kills as cheaply as possible, then by all means go Pakal + Harald. But it is not a good march for winning KVKs or winning in Ark of Osiris. If you watched 1960s recent KVK you will see almost zero Pakal + Harald's in their lineups. Watch OL this season. The top teams will not be using Pakal + Harald. The losing teams will.
I understand why it seems like Pakal + Harald is so good (because it does trade well), but what it does well is not the objective of the game, in my opinion.
@@PsychOutROK yeah thats correct but top teams rarely if ever run more inf marches than guan scipi if they bring more infanterie units its most of the time a trajan march and if we talk open field fighting i think two murderballs that are exactly the same besides one bringing pakal harald and the other splits guan scipi for leo and alex id bet my money on the pakal harald mb
But i guess we can agree to disagree
After playing this game over 500 days. I'm starting to believe that ROK is not for f2p.
Richard is the best. Finally max Richard is out
YSG is the best. Finally max YSG. YSG is out.
Alexander is the best. Finally max Alexander. Alexander is out.
Harold is the best. Finally max Harold. Harold is out.
I don't know what to max anymore as a f2p. By the time you finally max something. Something came out to destroy it. 😥
Unfortunately, the best strategy is often to save up your gold heads until you can max a commander completely. When a new commander comes that is really strong, you can instantly max. But there is almost always going to be commander power creep in a game like this.
@@PsychOutROK I tried to use what I have already max and add the new one.
Guan already max/Scipio work on
Charles already max/Harold
Honda/Alex already max
Boudicca/YSG already max
Nevsky/William
Aetheflaed is max but scared that she would bring a big hospital bill.
@@dapooramericanhomesteadfar7192 You can put aethelflaed as a secondary to many commanders. In your lineup, I'd stop working on Harald and put her behind charles. I think your lineup is in pretty good shape for a f2p/low spender.
@@PsychOutROK thank you for the advice. I will work on it. What civilization would you recommend for this set up?
@@dapooramericanhomesteadfar7192 I think the best civilizations right now for most players are: (1) France if below VIP 15 (for the healing speed), (2) Germany if truly free-to-play (for the AP recovery and training), (3) Ottoman for open field (march speed and skill damage for all troops), (4) Viking if you are really heavy (3 or more marches) on infantry or garrison, (5) Arabia / Egypt if you are a rally lead for cavs / archers.
I am Ottoman right now and am unlikely to change any time soon. If you are mostly an open field player and have VIP, then I think Ottoman is the best choice.
Trajan Ragnar w relic...more tanky
Using as bait in murder balls.
Buffs and Debuffs.
It is almost certainly more tanky than Trajan + Aethelflaed, but I don't think Ragnar offers enough to your murderball. He only buffs his own march and does a healing debuff. But in SoC, healing isn't really a big thing (other then Zeno and there are better options to counter healing). An interesting idea, but I don't see it as being a top-tier pairing.