Things I admire about Alcaraz, he smiles at his good shots, he smiles at his opponent’s good shots, he never throws a hissy fit and smash his racket into the ground, he is the best ambassador for this wonderful spectator’s sport, and he is so young he is just getting started.
How about at 40:30 championship point when the idiot shouted in the crowd and he didn’t let that distract him in terms of still closing out the match in straight.
@@rohan4872that shouter did him a service in hindsight imo. Allowed him to land a blow on another key plank of Djokovic’s mental game ie knowing he can usually take a tiebreaker. Carlos winning the tiebreaker quite comfortably is on a level with Jannik saving the match points at Davis Cup imo
@@stevo855 indeed but let's be honest - if anyone can launch a comeback from 2 sets down and a break, facing championship point in a slam, it's Djokovic. So for Alcaraz to have the emotional maturity at the ripe age of 21, to avoid going through what unfortunately A-Rod did encounter against Fed in 09 (with Roddick arguably playing his finest grass court tennis since 2004), is nothing short of amazing.
I gotta tell you, if Carlos lost in an earlier round, I would’ve signed off. I’m sure there’s other people like myself in that regard. Tennis is lucky to have him. He’s the type of player that I would wake up early for to watch live, and he’s the type of player that I would spend money on and be happy with it.
He has it all! Brilliance perfect manners, impeccable appearance. I watched the 2022 match the other day, the screaming and bad language was shocking. Carlos is a credit to his family, and the sport of tennis. ❤💌💌💌❤❤❤❤
Carlos is needed for the next gen. He’s the superstar. Sinner is dry. Zverev is terrible. Rune doesn’t win enough. Sadly meddy is Russian so he’s not marketable
I believe only big servers who play aggressively can beat alcaraz...berretini could have beaten him.....Shelton,, hurcaz.......sinner has big serve and he plays aggressively consistently, that's why he will be rival to alcaraz for many years.....rune is aggressive but not consistent, he needs to be more consistent to challenge alcaraz......zverev has beaten alcaraz whenever he has played aggressively and with his big serve....... big servers are threat to anyone especially in grass..... look at isner, karlovic, kyrgios giving threat to big 3 in the past.......
Yes. There is far too little of this for a player who is amazing as Carlos is. Far too many want to talk about Tiafoe or others taking a set off of him while he's winning the whole damn thing.
Not to take away from any other player or Novak himself, but he didn't face much opposition. His reputation intimidated other players and many of them, specifically Holger Rune, who looked like a deer in headlights. Alcaraz was his first real tough, not intimidated competition. And I think because he won his other matches relatively easily, he was unprepared for such a drawn out, physical match. I think Alcaraz has had three things over his short career that have weighed him down. 1. Winning his first major. Check that off. 2. Beating Novak in a Grand Slam. Check again. 3. Winning the French Open. Check again. He played like a different player Sunday. If he is healthy, he is always going to be the guy to beat going forward. Kinda scary and exciting at the same time.
it staggered me how much other players never moved Novak around. As if being 37 wasn't enough but just 3 weeks after knee surgery and no match prep. I know that Nole returns to the toes but you saw how from the first point, Novak was chasing the ball in the final. You can't tell me only Carlos can do that...
@@paulelverstone8677 Sinner can do it too, but that's pretty much it, at least on a regular basis. Just about anyone else lacks the combination of pace and precision; to move Novak around requires sub-optimal, risky shots during rallies, which leads to more unforced errors, putting yourself out of position, and a greater likelihood of leaving a ball short that's going to end the point in Novak's favor.
@@HeavyTopspin yep, true that. But my point is that the alternative is trading with Novak from the back of the court and historically that hasn't worked out well for everyone else also. I just thought that others might've taken the obvious advantage...
I laughed out loud at Roddick's "offense" taken toward Alcaraz' smiling demeanor. We can all learn a lot from Carlitos. He's the closest thing to watching Federer play with such pure joy. As for Iga, I take issue with all the hand wringing about her chops on grass. I have no doubt that she will win at least one Wimby title in her career. But this year is wonky -- the Olympics are at RG -- Iga's best and favorite surface. Why wouldn't Iga prioritize pursuing a gold medal at Roland Garros this year? She will never have another opportunity in her career to play the Olympics at RG again. Granted, Olympics doesn't count toward a pro tennis player's legacy -- but if I were in Iga's shoes - I'd go for the gold this year too.
Closest thing? He's notably better and more dynamic than Fed at his age, against a much stronger overall field. Sure this isn't the peak of the Big 3 era, but it's WAY stronger than a time when Carlitos' coach was actually able to reach world #1. The question is whether he can continue to improve, because he's certainly not at the level of peak Federer (or peak Nadal for that matter, and certainly a long ways from 2011 and 2015 Novak).
Do yourselves a favor and watch all 3 tiebreaks from the men's doubles final. It was the match of the tournament. And yes, Patten and Heliovaara might be 'journeymen', but they beat the 40th and 64th ranked men, the type of players Andy says used to play doubles in his day. They are seriously good doubles players and you guys should at least watch the match before disrespecting them.
Murrays popularity is also down to the support he showed his contemporaries too. Standing up for Serena Williams, women’s tennis, Nick Kygrios, Novak, all these guys who went through stuff he was there for.
The dubs chat was poor … heliovaara has been at tour level for a while, doing well with glasspool who isn’t great… him & patten have been crushing it all year … plus patten is built for tour level dubs, easily … That guy made it sound like two rookies just rocked up & won it ! lol
Harri Heliovaara was working at Helsinki airport because he retired in 2013 having been diagnosed with the incurable autu-immune disorder Ankylosing Spondylitis (inflammation of the back/joints, he has 2 fused vertebrae). He returned to tennis when medical treatment was able to control the condition but every day will have its challenges as sufferers of AS will testify. What he's achieved having this condition is remarkable.
I am always so happy with your podcast. I listen to you guys when I work out. It is so well done. Andy and Jon are a match made in heaven. Great content week after week so thank you for your excellence. Jon picked perfectly in the French Open winner and now again at Wimbledon he picked Carlos to win and Carlos delivered big time. So kudos to Jon. Andy you keep underestimating Carlos ha! Lastly I am very happy that Andy always gives Serena her props when he mentions the greatest or the G.O.A.T.S. Thank you for acknowledging her excellence. By the way Venus and Serena won 13 slams in doubles and a calendar slam in doubles. They were also no.1 in both singles and doubles. I think she and Venus don't get mentioned enough. But Andy always includes them. I wish you all good health.
Djokovic highly underappreciated response for Carlos. Giving him the praise he deserves and being graceful in defeat. Djokovic's a controversial person but he's been great for the sport and I'm happy he got to the final. Still the GOAT till his record is broken and human like the rest of us. Go Djokovic, Vamos Carlos, Kumm Jetzte Federer and Vamos Rafa thank you for the tennis that has passed and is to come.
Djokovic is not a controversial person. World has too much of West mentality that was forced to us through media and that is so wrong. He is targeted because he comes from Serbia and actually has a character, unlike some of the crowds ‘favorites’.
@@jaimed.9154 new excuse? Give me a specific example of Djokovic being ‘controversial’ while others such as Nadal and Federer not. P.S. Im a Federer fan. I was there on US open in 2015 when Djokovic dismantled Federer while I cheered for Roger.
Enough has been said about the finals. A quick word for Maddie Keys who was having a great tournament, 10mins away from a 1/4 final vs Navarro, 5-2 in the third set vs Paolini and gets a hamstring(?) injury. She was looking good. I'm not saying she would've won or even made the finals but worked herself into a likely position to progress. Lucky for Paolini. Giovanni PP was the story of the tournament for me. 20yr old 'lucky loser', 6'8" and makes the second week. Musetti having simply too much class for him. Great to see and look forward to his performance in his home Olympics...
As usual thanks for a great show. I learn something new from Andy's explanations and analysis every single time. I was always a fan in your playing days but I am now so appreciative of your knowledge of the sport we all love so much. Also your delivery is second to none, honest, funny and instructive. Well done and only good things for you and your family in the future ❤
Joker had a relatively easy path to the finals. No Zverev, no Medvedev, no Sinner. Once got to Alcaraz, he met a formidable foe. And he got straight set smoked.
Alcaraz and Sinner output in mph and rpm are above what Medvedev can put. That changes what Djokovic and his knee need to react to. Its a different physical requirement, Medvedev power is at a point below them and against that point Djokovic might play it fine.
See Wertheim's inane, incorrect and insipid comments about Murray are a perfect example why I can't take him seriously as a tennis commentator. 'Murray was basically just ok, he only won 3 slams, nothing compared the big 3, he had more of a cultural impact on the game than was he a good player. ARE. YOU. OUT. OF. YOUR. COTTON. PICKIN'. MIND?? Murray is top 3, 4, 5 or 6 ALL TIME in almost every category. Total match wins. Total prize money. # of slam QF, SF and Finals. Number of masters tourneys won, finals reached. REturn points won. Break points won. Number of Olympic medals. Number of YEC reached. Length of time spend in the top 10. Length of time spent in the top 5. # of matches won at every Slam. Reached the finals of all 4 slams and the olympics. AND the year end championships. Year end #1 for 2016, won YECs. Reached Qfs or better in EVERY SLAM IN A YEAR 4 times. Literally the only players who have better stats in their career are the Big 3 and on occasion Sampras. Andy Murray is one of the greatest players of all time, and if he were in ANY other era he would have double digit Slam wins. The ONLY reason he doesn't is because of the Big 3. He played against the 3 greatest players of all time and not only beat each of them at least 7x each, but thrived and won 3 slams, made ELEVEN slam finals, TWENTY ONE slam semifinals. There is no other player alive aside from the big 3 who has that level of achiement or consistency. Andy Murray deserves WAY more credit than Wertheim cavalierly casts his way. Shame on you Wertheim, you're supposed to be out here as an expert commenter?? Leave the serious talk about legacies to Andy Roddick please.
@@KNful exactly - I actually own Wertheim's book 'Strokes of Genius' about Federer Nadal and the 2008 Wimbledon final - and parts of it are fascinating but other parts are so basic, bitchy and gossipy I'm embarassed for him (the way he describes Djokovic in the book is particularly galling and in hindsight looks even worse - it's a Mary Carillo/Pam Shriver level of dismissive pettiness)
@@StewNWT in my case I never owned the book but I have followed the channel closely, after watching the past uploads I gotta say I don’t like how heavily biased the way Jon has been carrying his points (Andy Roddick though on the other hand is on the polar opposite I’ve been impressed how he delivers his points with objectivity and rationality)
Let's not include prize money in the calculation, it simply wasn't there for past greats. Zverev has the same career prize money as Pete Sampras, and Carlos took home as much on Sunday as Bjorn Borg did in his entire career.
Thanks guys for this amazing podcast, I'm addicted. Musetti, after his straight sets defeats, in a press conference, said, he never played him before at such a high level of tennis that Djoker performed. Musetti, in the semifinal, experiences a “different Novak”. I thought then Novak would win the tournament. Maybe that Musetti match and what Musetti experienced with Novak, needs to be reviewed a little more to understand the weird Novak of the final. After a phenomenal Musetti win, in the final, From the beginning, something was very off with him and he didn’t show up there to win the tour. He didn’t even complain about anything, felt like he just wanted to leave the court as soon as possible in a reasonable manner.
That's because Nole didn't get a chance to breathe and reach his peak. Carlos had him by the throat from the first point. He was starting to in the latter stages of the third set, but it was too late and Carlos stepped it up in the tie break to shut it down.
Rybakina had a great tournament but Barbora was playing great against her in semis. It was highest quality grass cort match. You can`t say that she play bad and didn`t live up expectations. She just lost to the winner. And she 100% would destroy Paolini in Final. But it was a Barbora`s tournament
In those days, Roddick, Fernando González, Federer... they all served quickly and made for exciting 3 or 5 setters in far less time than nowadays. The ball was in play more, not having to watch players bouncing 10 or 20 times before serving...
Sorry Andy, I watched this 4-5 times: I think Meddy said one F#ck you, not 3, and then went into a foreign language. Most definitely DID NOT say Piece of sh1t" He said a much longer sentence. I didnt think it was French, which he speaks a lot on court, wrong mouth movements, so I figured must be Russian. Im with Meddy on this. He looked at the Umpire, but didnt yell it at her, and muttered to himself so yeah, not really abusive in my book and defo not worthy of a default. Andy Murray yells F#ck a million times a match & never so much as a warning so right decision ftom the Ref and no problem that the Umpire reported him either.
Huge thanks for what you are doing! I am a big fan and learn alot about tennis i didnt know!)) Lately had an interesting thought on big 3 stat, that havent seen anywhere and decided just to share - could be interesting or stupid)) Before big 3 usually results came before 30 years old (not many exceptions imo) and as i believe the change of that started by Federer. And i was interested how many GS big 3 got before age 30 if those science changes wouldnt come! The result surprised me. It could be plus minus 1 for everyone (didnt couny based on months), but result is 16 for Federer, 14 for Nadal and 12 for Djokovic. I find this interesting and even though has nothing to do with Wimbldon, decided to share)))
Been thinking about Doubles and how these players cannot compete or qualify in Singles. Perhaps as a whole this could be true, but an example of this not being unanimous is Krejcikova. She has 7 grand slam championships in Doubles (A career grand slam across all surfaces in that total) and has won Slam Singles titles in both the French open and Wimbledon; while reaching the quarters of Australia and the US open. All while, she is only 28 years old. Just worth considering. I am not saying Doubles is near as popular as singles, just adding an element to the conversation is all.
I really didn't enjoy your take on doubles. How would it be possible for Harri Heliövaara to come out of nowhere to you if he played in the ATP Nitto Finals just some years ago and reached the semi finals? He has been knocking the door on doubles greatness for a long time now and finally found a proper pair to make his qualities flourish. Tennis is not the only sport that has multiple disciplines. I don't think rugby sevens is taking anything away from rugby 15 and you need to specialize in one or the other to be competitive. You need different qualities in both and it brings more opportunities for athletes to play professionally.
Friend of the show, Kim Clijsters, won the ladies invitational doubles with Martina Hingis. They routed Ash Barty and Casey Dellacqua in the final. Not a pro match but significant for Ash Barty's return to Wimbledon since winning in 2021, and also, Kim Clijsters - friend of the show! The marginally more mature ladies still got it 😂
I can't believe the invitational doubles matches barely got attention, considering the legends that played! Kim Clijsters, Martina Hingis, Martina Navratilova, Ash Barty, Aga Radwanska, the Bryan Brothers etc. Instead, there was a big focus on football players and the Hollywood celebs that attended the singles finals.
*"There's a changing of the guard."* This is my first time saying this and I do not say this flippantly. In a previous post, I said that Djokovic could have already reached 25 major wins before this final. He would've won the 2021 US Open had he controlled his temper and NOT hit the lines judge in the throat with a tennis ball resulting in disqualification. Also, if Djokovic were vaccinated, he would've also won another Australian Open, #11. Let's be clear. _My comment isn't about whether or not Djokovic should've been vaccinated._ I'm simply being factual. Because Djokovic was NOT vaccinated, he was denied entry into the 2022 Australian Open. At this Wimbledon 2024 final, Djokovic was routed by Alcaraz. To be hawkish, Novak Djokovic will never win another Major. His window is closed. Djokovic is tied at 24 Major wins with Margaret Court and he won't reach #25. Djokovic won't tie Federer's 8 Wimbledon titles either. Alcaraz and Sinner are too good and getting stronger. So are other players. Djokovic recently stated that he wanted to beat Federer's 8 Wimbledon titles. This, of course, meant that he would've had to win today's Wimbledon title to tie Federer's wins and then... win one more. It isn't going happen. I, like many of you, wanted to see Djokovic win #25, breaking Margaret Court's 51 year record, and tying Federer with 8 Wimbledon wins. Because I saw Novak's window of opportunity closing during Covid, I implored Novak, on every social media platform I could, to get the jab. Again, _my comment isn't about whether or not Djokovic should've been vaccinated._ Novak is his own person. He made his choice and I respect it but the consequences of his choice is he won't reach #25. Who are any us to say if he thinks it was worth not getting the jab? Some Olympic athletes will dope to win Olympic Gold. Look what Lance Armstrong did to win the Tour de France. Of course, doping and vaccines aren't comparable but they both have benefits and consequences. In time, will Novak look back and wish he had gotten the jab? Outside of his immediate family, I know that Novak cares about winning Majors more than anything else. I venture to say he cares about winning Majors more than being anti-vaxxed. I could be wrong. It's my own unscientific opinion that I wish Novak did get the jab. Yes, it's a trade off but I bet he would be sitting at #25 right now, possibly #26. Obviously, after all is said and done, *Novak Djokovic is the GOAT.* Congrats to Carlos Alcaraz for his 2024 Wimbledon win. What a phenom. The future of tennis looks bright indeed. Another thought about Alcaraz's potential of someday surpassing Djokovic's 24 Major wins. Djokovic is the only man in history to win more of his Majors past the age of 30 than when he was in his 20s. I doubt that Alcaraz will have Djokovic's kind of success past the age of 30. Alcaraz, like Nadal, is a physical player. Because of Alcaraz's physicality, I foresee injuries preventing him from winning more Majors in his 30s than in his 20s. I believe that Alcaraz can pass Djokovic's 24 Major wins, but most of those wins will have to be in his 20s with a few more in his early 30s. Alcaraz will have to win 2 Majors a year before he's 30 to reach Djokovic's 24 Major wins. This isn't easy to do, even for a tennis genius like Alcaraz. Of course, at 30 years old, he should still be at the top of his game and have ample opportunity to win more Majors. Alcaraz could leap frog into the GOAT conversation if he won a Golden Slam, especially in the same calendar year, which has only been achieved by one other tennis player in history, Stefi Graf. I'm rooting for Alcaraz. In the distant future, I wonder what the price of ticket will be if Alcaraz plays for his 25th Major win? _...if we don't blow ourselves up first._
Thanks for writing such a long and thoughtful text. I agree that Novak could have 25 or potentially 26 if he was not denied entries due to the covid vaccine. But guess it is the belief or principle Novak was willing to trade off. Carlos and Sinner will rival for many years to come. Personally I don’t know who may end up with more slams and titles assuming that both are still developing at least I see sinner not peaked yet. Carlos is extremely explosive and fast yet Sinner with amazing ball striking and the ‘balance’ from skiing experience. If Carlos declines after 30s due to his physical style, potentially Sinner has longer years at top. But nobody knows the future and I just enjoy the ATP side with so many top players. I am a female but I mai my watch ATP matches
You dont know Novak if you think he regrets not taking a vaccine, stop asking this question you already know the answer to, 25 is not a number hes obsesed about
Carlito's peak when he's honed his service and ironed out the frivolities that make him do unforced errors will come in 2 or 3 years . The scary thought is , by then , he might have already 9 or 10 slams to his name . For context let's just check the age of Nole when he won his 4th slam ....He was 3 years older at 24 . With the inevitable demise of Nole's game and the only threat of Sinner in the horizon l believe Carlos might really have a shot at destroying every record .
@@tomasznowacki8459 Aging Novak? Carlos stopped Novak from getting the YEAR grand slam. Nole took 4 years to take the fight to Rafa and Roger . Carlos is superior to all his peers and equal to Djokovic . Djokovic decline will come , not just yet
Wimbledon 2009, Federer goes to 15 slams breaking Sampras's record all time slam record. Djokovic sits on 1 slam and Nadal on 6.... The thing about the horizon, you can't see what's coming up over it. You have no idea what player/players might emerge in the next few years (In say, 2020 no one predicted the rise of Alcaraz and Sinner) or who takes their game to a new level, no one in a million years saw the threat of Djokovic of the horizon and that, along with Nadal, would eclipse Federer and resign him into third place.
@@AminorMorning Every one saw the potential of Djokovic despite his shenanigans with stamina and quitting matches at the beginning of his career. The Lawn tennis association of Britain tried repeatedly to get Nole family to move to Britain from 2004 until 2007 when the Serbian authorities pressure finally got Novak to commit to the national team . He was barely 18 when everyone already knew what he could become . Right now other than Alcaraz there's no other player apart from the late explosion of Jannik. Rune , Korda and Shelton are sadly not fulfilling the expectations we all placed in them . Alcaraz might or might not become the GOAT , but the horizon still shows a clear path . The gulf in class between him and the rest of the pack is even bigger than Roger's in his early 20's
Would have been good to hear more about other players although I appreciate to the victors goes the accolades. Ruud, Rune, end of the line Wawrinka, Monfils, Dimitrov. How disliked is Stefano Tsitsipas? Where is his career going? But really great in almost every aspect - just want more.
On the women's results, it is mostly due to the grass factor, in my opinion, that we observed. Grass always had, and still does, invalidated the women's and the men's ranking, with the exception of a few players. We want not to be confused by factors that have taken place on single players, in a positive or negative way, and make the mistake of creating a theory behind that. The two finalists were strongly motivated by intrinsic factors, for the winner was specific to Wimblond, and instead, the finalist was aspecific but related to the fact that Wimblond was the next big tournament after her tennis epiphany at RG. Krejcikova had in her personal story the motivation to do well at Wimbledon; where Paolini, who is on a personal path that we can call maturity, realized that she can compete at a high level and possibly win big tournaments, has begun a second /adult part of her tennis career.
I'd like to know from a professional and Grand Slam winner like you Andy how much you think a draw can influence a Grand Slam. There have certainly been other instances like this with uneven draws, but Andy, how many tournaments do you think have been significantly influenced by the draw over the course of your career?
The tone of your conversation around Patten and Heliovaara was very disrespectful, guys. They beat Thompson and Purcell - "two credible singles players" as you rightly called them - in a high quality final. For you to diminish that reflects poorly on you. I defer to you on whether there needs to be a conversation around quality in the mens doubles, but it's a conversation that can and should be conducted respectfully.
Man, I nearly clicked off the video at 34:00. The "statistical GOAT" bit was the first red flag. Has there ever been a more redundant qualifier? Then, the endless praise for Alcaraz by JW. I like Alcaraz and consider him a generational talent, but come on. He beat Medvedev on his worst surface and took down an old crippled Djokovic. And this whole narrative about him always being happy and joyful is way overstated. The kid flames out and breaks rackets just like anyone else when the pressure’s on. No need to paint him as a saint-his style of play and talents are marketable enough. And no, I'm not a fan of Djokovic's on-court demeanour.
Please, stop calling Alcaraz a kid. I don't ever hear you referring Rune, Shelton, or other players slightly older than him, a kid. Alcaraz is a 4-time grand slam champion who is respectful and humble beyond his years. He certainly deserves more respect from you guys.
Don't really understand the hype of Rybakina although I like her and was rooting for her! The way she handles the press, the same ways she answers after defeat with such a positive attitude time after time, doesnt seem very genuine and doesnt show that she has the drive! winning a bunch of 500 is different than 1000 or GS, although she's done them all
Carlos Alcaraz's real opponent will be father time, will he win as many Slams as the Big Three over 15 to 18 years but regardless he's the best young player mens tennis has ever seen.
"She won just one major outside clay" - Then Jon win as much as her and you will have a right to criticize her, because Gauff and Rybakina can't win anything more than 1 major and Sabalenka won 4 titles in 3 years, winning only AO and failing everything else. Thank god Olympics are in 3 weeks because we need Iga to finally focus on improving outside French Open. We know in Poland that she has 510 out of 6000 possible points in slams outside RG and she must finally be freed of that Olympic Games distraction (her father was an Olympic rover who lost the chance for the medal because of his partner's injury and he made Iga obsessed with Olympics). That being said, i'm tired of "experts" shitting on Iga because she doesn't care about grass and calling it "capitulation". She told long before that she targets clay this year and if she says so then you should respect her decision, we in Poland think she shouldn't play Wimbledon at all because it lost it's prestige by having random winners each year.
Andy Murray winning 3 Slams and 2 singles Olympic golds. And Federer/Djokovic/Sampras winning a combined 58 Slams and 0 singles Olympic gold medals will forever devalue the importance of Olympic gold. I don't think tennis should even be in the Olympics as the Slams are the pinnacle of the sport already. I think the Olympics should be reserved for sports that don't already have a more important event.
I find the doubles talk a little weird to be honest - especially as we now have a women's singles champion who is also renowned doubles champion. I personally don't enjoy playing or watching doubles tennis nearly as much as singles, but the skills and tactics required to succeed there are substantially different than singles tennis, and Patten/Harri being nonfactors in the singles game have no affect on the legitimacy of their win. Elite touch at the net is much more valued than strong baseline hitting, point construction is vastly different. If anything, it speaks volumes to the difference between doubles and singles tennis that two decently talented singles players lost to part-timers. We're in the era of heavy baseline hitting for singles, whereas players who live by the net in singles are rarer and rarer, so they're bound to be less comfortable on average in doubles where the game mostly takes place in or around the service box.
@@jamesharris4008I think it’s a poorly articulated way to say that the doubles tour makes comparatively too much money in regards to the revenue generates from singles. As in, “look at how poor the level is, they make too much” since he refers to it being supported by singles. It’s a fairly valid point as far as viewership but it’s also just a byproduct of how tennis starts at grassroots levels. not enough courts, so doubles exists, and that generates affinity and fondness for the format.
Murray's impact was more in UK than globally- they wanted that Wimbledon title and would have deified the guy- any guy, who gave it to them... he was a great player, but he wouldn't get that send off any where else.
Kinda untrue. If you remember, he 'retired' a few years ago at the Australian Open. Or at least gave a strong impression it would be the end due to the pain of injury. The AO gave him a pretty big send off and fairwell video that he had to awkwardly react to on court 😂
Unless Sinner introduces more variety in his game and the use of slice specifically, Alcaraz is going to rule for the next few years. The match he lost to Medvedev just proves it. He kept rallying with Meddy when we know Meddy can out rally some of the greatest players. AO performance by Nadal should have been a source of inspiration for Sinner. Djoko is currently out of form and not 100% fit. He hasn't won a title this year and has lost to guys out side the top 100 as well. He needs to up his game as Alcaraz/Sinner are both beating him now in big tournaments.
That's a great point on doubles. It needs some image charge for most to get interested because the top singles guys won't touch it. Except Tsitsipas which maybe proves why he sucks at singles.
Is that why Sinner played doubles with Hubi at Halle and Meddy has been playing a lot more doubles to improve his volleys? Oh, and why Zverev also plays doubles and Krejcikova has won slams in doubles, Gauff always plays doubles, Sabalenka plays doubles, etc, etc, etc... Also Federer and Nadal played a bunch of doubles early on in their careers. How do you call a guy who's been in the top 10 5 years in a row and currently in the top 20 "sucking" at singles?
Why do Americans continually mispronounce Djokovic’s name? It is not Djokervich it’s pronounced DJOR-Ko-Vich. It’s really not that hard. Edit: it can happen so quickly but Novak was outplayed by Sinner in his back yard in Australia, went 5 sets in two matches at RO in week 1 when he injured his knee, then plays 6 matches at Wimbledon - 5 of which were not v players in the top 10. This is the beginning of the end for him. Be interesting to see how he fares at the Olympics (best of 3 sets and back on clay) and trying to defend US open - where the hard courts are going to be very harsh on that newly operated knee.
Great chat with loads of insight, thank you all. Re the Meddy "F-you F-you F-you" vs Russian phrase silent mouthing example - if you silently mouth the word "colourful" it looks like "I love you" 😂. So, Meddy's story is possible but I also do not speak Russian so cannot verify it. 😂
The humorous thing is that "on top" Alcaraz could win the US Open, hold 3/4 majors, and STILL be a distant second because he has more points to protect. I still find it amazing that he hasn't passed Novak at this point, but the end of last year was a points extravaganza for Nole.
(More points to protect than Sinner does, I mean. Passing Nole is pretty much a given unless the GOAT really ups his game to last fall's level in the next month or two.)
I wouldn't say Iga is falling... She could probably take the entire summer off and not come close to dropping a spot. for sure the ratings seem more solid in ATP - I guess doing other things is more interesting to women, Like Barty & Osaka.... IF , IF I was an all pro sports guy & accumulated a good pile, I'd be disgusted with airports, hotels and would do a Borg.
to be fair, Iga was never the best on grass. most of her points are from clay and slow hard courts. if anything, I expected her to lose early at wimbledon. so yeah, people say she is falling definitely do not know her game.
@@VescillaExactly. The men can come out flat, downright suck, and get away with it. The women have to be sharp every match, no time to “play their way in”. Much harder task.
@@janetblack4215 you don't know that. In any case, that's not the reason why they're not playing bo5, it's purely because of tradition and that the organizers don't want women's matches to take up too much time because they don't sell enough tickets.
That's wrong. In 80's & 90's women's tennis was more predictable then men due to presence of 4 GOATs- (Chris, Martina, Steffi & Monica) & men's tennis produce random winners especially in the 90's early 2000's despite the presence of Sampras & Agassi. Agassi lacks consistency & Pete (outside of Wimbledon & US open) didn't dominant in others slams. So I didn't agree that bo5 set caused less upsets in men than women. Simple facts is today WTA has more depth but nobody has a GOAT level of talent (except Iga on clay).
Like most ofvus professionals we all went to colleges Y not tennis players because they now know that tennis lifebisblknger Djokovic won than 20 Slam after 30 serena too
Things I admire about Alcaraz, he smiles at his good shots, he smiles at his opponent’s good shots, he never throws a hissy fit and smash his racket into the ground, he is the best ambassador for this wonderful spectator’s sport, and he is so young he is just getting started.
How about at 40:30 championship point when the idiot shouted in the crowd and he didn’t let that distract him in terms of still closing out the match in straight.
Well said Stuart. Totally agree, this kid is so special. I was washing dishes at 21😂
@@rohan4872 If that was Djokovic he would've gone ballistic
@@rohan4872that shouter did him a service in hindsight imo. Allowed him to land a blow on another key plank of Djokovic’s mental game ie knowing he can usually take a tiebreaker. Carlos winning the tiebreaker quite comfortably is on a level with Jannik saving the match points at Davis Cup imo
@@stevo855 indeed but let's be honest - if anyone can launch a comeback from 2 sets down and a break, facing championship point in a slam, it's Djokovic. So for Alcaraz to have the emotional maturity at the ripe age of 21, to avoid going through what unfortunately A-Rod did encounter against Fed in 09 (with Roddick arguably playing his finest grass court tennis since 2004), is nothing short of amazing.
I gotta tell you, if Carlos lost in an earlier round, I would’ve signed off. I’m sure there’s other people like myself in that regard. Tennis is lucky to have him. He’s the type of player that I would wake up early for to watch live, and he’s the type of player that I would spend money on and be happy with it.
He has it all! Brilliance perfect manners, impeccable appearance.
I watched the 2022 match the other day, the screaming and bad language was shocking. Carlos is a credit to his family, and the sport of tennis.
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Djokovic have alot more fans, so if he lost, there would be less on the stance.
Carlos not that big yet
Carlos is needed for the next gen. He’s the superstar. Sinner is dry. Zverev is terrible. Rune doesn’t win enough. Sadly meddy is Russian so he’s not marketable
I believe only big servers who play aggressively can beat alcaraz...berretini could have beaten him.....Shelton,, hurcaz.......sinner has big serve and he plays aggressively consistently, that's why he will be rival to alcaraz for many years.....rune is aggressive but not consistent, he needs to be more consistent to challenge alcaraz......zverev has beaten alcaraz whenever he has played aggressively and with his big serve....... big servers are threat to anyone especially in grass..... look at isner, karlovic, kyrgios giving threat to big 3 in the past.......
I feel the same way
Roddick podcast is very enjoyable
The best tennis pod hands down 👌👌👌
This is better; finally on the Alcaraz appreciation train. The guy is special, and he dominated the summer
Yes. There is far too little of this for a player who is amazing as Carlos is. Far too many want to talk about Tiafoe or others taking a set off of him while he's winning the whole damn thing.
Summer just started…lots of big tournaments to go!
Not to take away from any other player or Novak himself, but he didn't face much opposition. His reputation intimidated other players and many of them, specifically Holger Rune, who looked like a deer in headlights. Alcaraz was his first real tough, not intimidated competition. And I think because he won his other matches relatively easily, he was unprepared for such a drawn out, physical match. I think Alcaraz has had three things over his short career that have weighed him down. 1. Winning his first major. Check that off. 2. Beating Novak in a Grand Slam. Check again. 3. Winning the French Open. Check again. He played like a different player Sunday. If he is healthy, he is always going to be the guy to beat going forward. Kinda scary and exciting at the same time.
it staggered me how much other players never moved Novak around. As if being 37 wasn't enough but just 3 weeks after knee surgery and no match prep. I know that Nole returns to the toes but you saw how from the first point, Novak was chasing the ball in the final. You can't tell me only Carlos can do that...
@@paulelverstone8677 Sinner can do it too, but that's pretty much it, at least on a regular basis. Just about anyone else lacks the combination of pace and precision; to move Novak around requires sub-optimal, risky shots during rallies, which leads to more unforced errors, putting yourself out of position, and a greater likelihood of leaving a ball short that's going to end the point in Novak's favor.
@@HeavyTopspin yep, true that. But my point is that the alternative is trading with Novak from the back of the court and historically that hasn't worked out well for everyone else also. I just thought that others might've taken the obvious advantage...
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Andy is built like a beast,What a rocket of a serve he had.
I laughed out loud at Roddick's "offense" taken toward Alcaraz' smiling demeanor. We can all learn a lot from Carlitos. He's the closest thing to watching Federer play with such pure joy. As for Iga, I take issue with all the hand wringing about her chops on grass. I have no doubt that she will win at least one Wimby title in her career. But this year is wonky -- the Olympics are at RG -- Iga's best and favorite surface. Why wouldn't Iga prioritize pursuing a gold medal at Roland Garros this year? She will never have another opportunity in her career to play the Olympics at RG again. Granted, Olympics doesn't count toward a pro tennis player's legacy -- but if I were in Iga's shoes - I'd go for the gold this year too.
Closest thing? He's notably better and more dynamic than Fed at his age, against a much stronger overall field. Sure this isn't the peak of the Big 3 era, but it's WAY stronger than a time when Carlitos' coach was actually able to reach world #1. The question is whether he can continue to improve, because he's certainly not at the level of peak Federer (or peak Nadal for that matter, and certainly a long ways from 2011 and 2015 Novak).
Do yourselves a favor and watch all 3 tiebreaks from the men's doubles final. It was the match of the tournament. And yes, Patten and Heliovaara might be 'journeymen', but they beat the 40th and 64th ranked men, the type of players Andy says used to play doubles in his day. They are seriously good doubles players and you guys should at least watch the match before disrespecting them.
Hear hear
So comforting to know that Murray can now enter the illustrious "Hall of Fame" 😊
Murrays popularity is also down to the support he showed his contemporaries too. Standing up for Serena Williams, women’s tennis, Nick Kygrios, Novak, all these guys who went through stuff he was there for.
John I love your summary of Carlos' victory. Well said.
I've learned my lesson. From now on when a Czech woman is in the Wimby final, I'm betting on her. Next year: Muchova!
I miss Muchova on WTA. Easy game on the eyes !
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POW-lini! Love it Andy. Such excellent insight, much appreciate it! 👍👍👍🎾🎾
So good to hear you praising Barbora Krejčíková's efforts to win Wimbledon, she's brilliant ❤
The dubs chat was poor … heliovaara has been at tour level for a while, doing well with glasspool who isn’t great…
him & patten have been crushing it all year … plus patten is built for tour level dubs, easily …
That guy made it sound like two rookies just rocked up & won it ! lol
Harri Heliovaara was working at Helsinki airport because he retired in 2013 having been diagnosed with the incurable autu-immune disorder Ankylosing Spondylitis (inflammation of the back/joints, he has 2 fused vertebrae). He returned to tennis when medical treatment was able to control the condition but every day will have its challenges as sufferers of AS will testify. What he's achieved having this condition is remarkable.
Amazing analysis Andy
I am always so happy with your podcast. I listen to you guys when I work out. It is so well done. Andy and Jon are a match made in heaven. Great content week after week so thank you for your excellence. Jon picked perfectly in the French Open winner and now again at Wimbledon he picked Carlos to win and Carlos delivered big time. So kudos to Jon. Andy you keep underestimating Carlos ha! Lastly I am very happy that Andy always gives Serena her props when he mentions the greatest or the G.O.A.T.S. Thank you for acknowledging her excellence. By the way Venus and Serena won 13 slams in doubles and a calendar slam in doubles. They were also no.1 in both singles and doubles. I think she and Venus don't get mentioned enough. But Andy always includes them. I wish you all good health.
Williams sisters didn't have calender slam in doubles. The last tennis player of either gender to win calender slam in doubles is Hingis in 1998.
Djokovic highly underappreciated response for Carlos. Giving him the praise he deserves and being graceful in defeat. Djokovic's a controversial person but he's been great for the sport and I'm happy he got to the final. Still the GOAT till his record is broken and human like the rest of us. Go Djokovic, Vamos Carlos, Kumm Jetzte Federer and Vamos Rafa thank you for the tennis that has passed and is to come.
lets give djokovic praise for losing and not being a d%ck for once. Great job. congrats him on being the GOAT but nobody likes him still
Djokovic is not a controversial person. World has too much of West mentality that was forced to us through media and that is so wrong. He is targeted because he comes from Serbia and actually has a character, unlike some of the crowds ‘favorites’.
@@ladro_magro5737 can you give specific examples instead of being so vague. I havent heard this new excuse for djokovic's behavior
@@jaimed.9154 new excuse? Give me a specific example of Djokovic being ‘controversial’ while others such as Nadal and Federer not.
P.S. Im a Federer fan. I was there on US open in 2015 when Djokovic dismantled Federer while I cheered for Roger.
@@ladro_magro5737 Adria tour, 2022 vaccination, 2020 US Open line judge. Just to name a few.
that back story of the doubles guys was awesome. congrats to them.
Enough has been said about the finals. A quick word for Maddie Keys who was having a great tournament, 10mins away from a 1/4 final vs Navarro, 5-2 in the third set vs Paolini and gets a hamstring(?) injury. She was looking good. I'm not saying she would've won or even made the finals but worked herself into a likely position to progress. Lucky for Paolini.
Giovanni PP was the story of the tournament for me. 20yr old 'lucky loser', 6'8" and makes the second week. Musetti having simply too much class for him. Great to see and look forward to his performance in his home Olympics...
@andy - great show and insights as always!!! Jon finally fixed his camera angle!! That is the biggest takeaway!!
You guys are the best for all things tennis. Chucker 4 life!
As usual thanks for a great show. I learn something new from Andy's explanations and analysis every single time. I was always a fan in your playing days but I am now so appreciative of your knowledge of the sport we all love so much. Also your delivery is second to none, honest, funny and instructive. Well done and only good things for you and your family in the future ❤
Joker had a relatively easy path to the finals. No Zverev, no Medvedev, no Sinner. Once got to Alcaraz, he met a formidable foe. And he got straight set smoked.
Alcaraz and Sinner output in mph and rpm are above what Medvedev can put. That changes what Djokovic and his knee need to react to. Its a different physical requirement, Medvedev power is at a point below them and against that point Djokovic might play it fine.
@@DATennis They are the new elite.
Seems like Nadal's path in 2019 Aus open, no competition until the final, then smoked. Oh how the turn tables
Just subscribed... most excellent podcast, keep up the great work
See Wertheim's inane, incorrect and insipid comments about Murray are a perfect example why I can't take him seriously as a tennis commentator.
'Murray was basically just ok, he only won 3 slams, nothing compared the big 3, he had more of a cultural impact on the game than was he a good player.
ARE. YOU. OUT. OF. YOUR. COTTON. PICKIN'. MIND??
Murray is top 3, 4, 5 or 6 ALL TIME in almost every category. Total match wins. Total prize money. # of slam QF, SF and Finals. Number of masters tourneys won, finals reached. REturn points won. Break points won. Number of Olympic medals. Number of YEC reached. Length of time spend in the top 10. Length of time spent in the top 5. # of matches won at every Slam. Reached the finals of all 4 slams and the olympics. AND the year end championships. Year end #1 for 2016, won YECs. Reached Qfs or better in EVERY SLAM IN A YEAR 4 times.
Literally the only players who have better stats in their career are the Big 3 and on occasion Sampras.
Andy Murray is one of the greatest players of all time, and if he were in ANY other era he would have double digit Slam wins. The ONLY reason he doesn't is because of the Big 3. He played against the 3 greatest players of all time and not only beat each of them at least 7x each, but thrived and won 3 slams, made ELEVEN slam finals, TWENTY ONE slam semifinals. There is no other player alive aside from the big 3 who has that level of achiement or consistency.
Andy Murray deserves WAY more credit than Wertheim cavalierly casts his way. Shame on you Wertheim, you're supposed to be out here as an expert commenter?? Leave the serious talk about legacies to Andy Roddick please.
think so too Jon is not a tennis analyst, more like a tennis gossip writer 😂
@@KNful exactly - I actually own Wertheim's book 'Strokes of Genius' about Federer Nadal and the 2008 Wimbledon final - and parts of it are fascinating but other parts are so basic, bitchy and gossipy I'm embarassed for him (the way he describes Djokovic in the book is particularly galling and in hindsight looks even worse - it's a Mary Carillo/Pam Shriver level of dismissive pettiness)
@@StewNWT in my case I never owned the book but I have followed the channel closely, after watching the past uploads I gotta say I don’t like how heavily biased the way Jon has been carrying his points (Andy Roddick though on the other hand is on the polar opposite I’ve been impressed how he delivers his points with objectivity and rationality)
Let's not include prize money in the calculation, it simply wasn't there for past greats. Zverev has the same career prize money as Pete Sampras, and Carlos took home as much on Sunday as Bjorn Borg did in his entire career.
@@HeavyTopspin true, can't argue with that. But the remainder of my argument and the larger point stands
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Andy! The people (chucksters) love you!
Carlos is the chuckster. We are chuckers :)
Babbling Brook, Brooklinen, I sense a theme here
Does that make it a “Triple Decker?”
Thanks guys for this amazing podcast, I'm addicted.
Musetti, after his straight sets defeats, in a press conference, said, he never played him before at such a high level of tennis that Djoker performed. Musetti, in the semifinal, experiences a “different Novak”. I thought then Novak would win the tournament. Maybe that Musetti match and what Musetti experienced with Novak, needs to be reviewed a little more to understand the weird Novak of the final. After a phenomenal Musetti win, in the final, From the beginning, something was very off with him and he didn’t show up there to win the tour. He didn’t even complain about anything, felt like he just wanted to leave the court as soon as possible in a reasonable manner.
That's because Nole didn't get a chance to breathe and reach his peak. Carlos had him by the throat from the first point. He was starting to in the latter stages of the third set, but it was too late and Carlos stepped it up in the tie break to shut it down.
I really like the show. You are great and insightful
Rybakina had a great tournament but Barbora was playing great against her in semis. It was highest quality grass cort match. You can`t say that she play bad and didn`t live up expectations. She just lost to the winner. And she 100% would destroy Paolini in Final. But it was a Barbora`s tournament
Can’t wait to hear and see that doubles show.
Good job, Andy.
Best tennis podcast Eva ….TY AR!!!
LOVE your pod, Andy! Such FIRE analysis and commentary. But you all missed the chance to celebrate Taylor Townsend's Wimbledon title!
Pow-lini yeah 👍🏽🎉🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹we did it 💪🏽. Together. Number oooooooone!
Anyway, exciting times for tennis.
Roddick had an amazing serve. And he served quick with just bouncing the ball twice.
In those days, Roddick, Fernando González, Federer... they all served quickly and made for exciting 3 or 5 setters in far less time than nowadays. The ball was in play more, not having to watch players bouncing 10 or 20 times before serving...
Sorry Andy, I watched this 4-5 times: I think Meddy said one F#ck you, not 3, and then went into a foreign language. Most definitely DID NOT say Piece of sh1t" He said a much longer sentence. I didnt think it was French, which he speaks a lot on court, wrong mouth movements, so I figured must be Russian. Im with Meddy on this. He looked at the Umpire, but didnt yell it at her, and muttered to himself so yeah, not really abusive in my book and defo not worthy of a default.
Andy Murray yells F#ck a million times a match & never so much as a warning so right decision ftom the Ref and no problem that the Umpire reported him either.
I am a fanatical Chuckster. Thanks for the name for my latest tennis hero.
Heartbreaking that Madison Keys got injured at the worst time
We need Murray to join this podcast
Huge thanks for what you are doing! I am a big fan and learn alot about tennis i didnt know!))
Lately had an interesting thought on big 3 stat, that havent seen anywhere and decided just to share - could be interesting or stupid))
Before big 3 usually results came before 30 years old (not many exceptions imo) and as i believe the change of that started by Federer. And i was interested how many GS big 3 got before age 30 if those science changes wouldnt come! The result surprised me. It could be plus minus 1 for everyone (didnt couny based on months), but result is 16 for Federer, 14 for Nadal and 12 for Djokovic. I find this interesting and even though has nothing to do with Wimbldon, decided to share)))
"The Greats who are not the greatest"
"Andy Murray send off at Center Court, that's peanut butter and jelly".
Been thinking about Doubles and how these players cannot compete or qualify in Singles. Perhaps as a whole this could be true, but an example of this not being unanimous is Krejcikova. She has 7 grand slam championships in Doubles (A career grand slam across all surfaces in that total) and has won Slam Singles titles in both the French open and Wimbledon; while reaching the quarters of Australia and the US open. All while, she is only 28 years old. Just worth considering. I am not saying Doubles is near as popular as singles, just adding an element to the conversation is all.
I really didn't enjoy your take on doubles. How would it be possible for Harri Heliövaara to come out of nowhere to you if he played in the ATP Nitto Finals just some years ago and reached the semi finals? He has been knocking the door on doubles greatness for a long time now and finally found a proper pair to make his qualities flourish. Tennis is not the only sport that has multiple disciplines. I don't think rugby sevens is taking anything away from rugby 15 and you need to specialize in one or the other to be competitive. You need different qualities in both and it brings more opportunities for athletes to play professionally.
Friend of the show, Kim Clijsters, won the ladies invitational doubles with Martina Hingis. They routed Ash Barty and Casey Dellacqua in the final. Not a pro match but significant for Ash Barty's return to Wimbledon since winning in 2021, and also, Kim Clijsters - friend of the show! The marginally more mature ladies still got it 😂
I can't believe the invitational doubles matches barely got attention, considering the legends that played! Kim Clijsters, Martina Hingis, Martina Navratilova, Ash Barty, Aga Radwanska, the Bryan Brothers etc. Instead, there was a big focus on football players and the Hollywood celebs that attended the singles finals.
I like to imagine that it was Tom Cruise that shouted when Carlos had a championship point and missed his volley.
Or Cumberbatch.
@@myytchanneldinakoha8498 Or Princess Kate.
Arantxa Sánchez-Vicario was N°1 of the world in doubles and singles, at the same time. And I'm pretty sure Johnny Mac did it too.
Great pod, as per, but
You cant talk about Novak being in the F without talking about his Draw.
It’s sad to not seeing more single player in doubles. Davis cup is dearly missed
It was 1993 when Jana Novotna was up 4-1 in the third and lost to Steffi Graff. In 1994 Conchita Martinez beat Martina Navratilova.
Having Andy as a presenter and a different dude answering the questions is odd… aren’t we all here for Andy’s opinions? I’d switch it up!
*"There's a changing of the guard."* This is my first time saying this and I do not say this flippantly. In a previous post, I said that Djokovic could have already reached 25 major wins before this final. He would've won the 2021 US Open had he controlled his temper and NOT hit the lines judge in the throat with a tennis ball resulting in disqualification. Also, if Djokovic were vaccinated, he would've also won another Australian Open, #11. Let's be clear. _My comment isn't about whether or not Djokovic should've been vaccinated._ I'm simply being factual. Because Djokovic was NOT vaccinated, he was denied entry into the 2022 Australian Open. At this Wimbledon 2024 final, Djokovic was routed by Alcaraz. To be hawkish, Novak Djokovic will never win another Major. His window is closed. Djokovic is tied at 24 Major wins with Margaret Court and he won't reach #25. Djokovic won't tie Federer's 8 Wimbledon titles either. Alcaraz and Sinner are too good and getting stronger. So are other players. Djokovic recently stated that he wanted to beat Federer's 8 Wimbledon titles. This, of course, meant that he would've had to win today's Wimbledon title to tie Federer's wins and then... win one more. It isn't going happen. I, like many of you, wanted to see Djokovic win #25, breaking Margaret Court's 51 year record, and tying Federer with 8 Wimbledon wins. Because I saw Novak's window of opportunity closing during Covid, I implored Novak, on every social media platform I could, to get the jab. Again, _my comment isn't about whether or not Djokovic should've been vaccinated._ Novak is his own person. He made his choice and I respect it but the consequences of his choice is he won't reach #25. Who are any us to say if he thinks it was worth not getting the jab? Some Olympic athletes will dope to win Olympic Gold. Look what Lance Armstrong did to win the Tour de France. Of course, doping and vaccines aren't comparable but they both have benefits and consequences. In time, will Novak look back and wish he had gotten the jab? Outside of his immediate family, I know that Novak cares about winning Majors more than anything else. I venture to say he cares about winning Majors more than being anti-vaxxed. I could be wrong. It's my own unscientific opinion that I wish Novak did get the jab. Yes, it's a trade off but I bet he would be sitting at #25 right now, possibly #26. Obviously, after all is said and done, *Novak Djokovic is the GOAT.* Congrats to Carlos Alcaraz for his 2024 Wimbledon win. What a phenom. The future of tennis looks bright indeed.
Another thought about Alcaraz's potential of someday surpassing Djokovic's 24 Major wins. Djokovic is the only man in history to win more of his Majors past the age of 30 than when he was in his 20s. I doubt that Alcaraz will have Djokovic's kind of success past the age of 30. Alcaraz, like Nadal, is a physical player. Because of Alcaraz's physicality, I foresee injuries preventing him from winning more Majors in his 30s than in his 20s. I believe that Alcaraz can pass Djokovic's 24 Major wins, but most of those wins will have to be in his 20s with a few more in his early 30s. Alcaraz will have to win 2 Majors a year before he's 30 to reach Djokovic's 24 Major wins. This isn't easy to do, even for a tennis genius like Alcaraz. Of course, at 30 years old, he should still be at the top of his game and have ample opportunity to win more Majors. Alcaraz could leap frog into the GOAT conversation if he won a Golden Slam, especially in the same calendar year, which has only been achieved by one other tennis player in history, Stefi Graf. I'm rooting for Alcaraz. In the distant future, I wonder what the price of ticket will be if Alcaraz plays for his 25th Major win?
_...if we don't blow ourselves up first._
Thanks for writing such a long and thoughtful text. I agree that Novak could have 25 or potentially 26 if he was not denied entries due to the covid vaccine. But guess it is the belief or principle Novak was willing to trade off. Carlos and Sinner will rival for many years to come. Personally I don’t know who may end up with more slams and titles assuming that both are still developing at least I see sinner not peaked yet. Carlos is extremely explosive and fast yet Sinner with amazing ball striking and the ‘balance’ from skiing experience. If Carlos declines after 30s due to his physical style, potentially Sinner has longer years at top. But nobody knows the future and I just enjoy the ATP side with so many top players. I am a female but I mai my watch ATP matches
You dont know Novak if you think he regrets not taking a vaccine, stop asking this question you already know the answer to, 25 is not a number hes obsesed about
@@JHeezy93people do forget that novak did win four slams in a row from 2015 to 2016......a Stat novak haters love to forget...
@@JHeezy93also if I remember correctly federer reached 10 slam finals in a row from 2005 wimbledon to us open 2007....
And novak reached 8 slam finals in a row from 2015 aus open to 2016 us open.....
Carlito's peak when he's honed his service and ironed out the frivolities that make him do unforced errors will come in 2 or 3 years . The scary thought is , by then , he might have already 9 or 10 slams to his name . For context let's just check the age of Nole when he won his 4th slam ....He was 3 years older at 24 .
With the inevitable demise of Nole's game and the only threat of Sinner in the horizon l believe Carlos might really have a shot at destroying every record .
Novak had to deal with Fed at his prime and Rafa in RG.
Carlos only aging Novak
@@tomasznowacki8459 Aging Novak? Carlos stopped Novak from getting the YEAR grand slam. Nole took 4 years to take the fight to Rafa and Roger . Carlos is superior to all his peers and equal to Djokovic . Djokovic decline will come , not just yet
Should have five majors already, cramps were the only thing that prevented that and it should be obvious now.
Wimbledon 2009, Federer goes to 15 slams breaking Sampras's record all time slam record. Djokovic sits on 1 slam and Nadal on 6....
The thing about the horizon, you can't see what's coming up over it. You have no idea what player/players might emerge in the next few years (In say, 2020 no one predicted the rise of Alcaraz and Sinner) or who takes their game to a new level, no one in a million years saw the threat of Djokovic of the horizon and that, along with Nadal, would eclipse Federer and resign him into third place.
@@AminorMorning Every one saw the potential of Djokovic despite his shenanigans with stamina and quitting matches at the beginning of his career.
The Lawn tennis association of Britain tried repeatedly to get Nole family to move to Britain from 2004 until 2007 when the Serbian authorities pressure finally got Novak to commit to the national team . He was barely 18 when everyone already knew what he could become . Right now other than Alcaraz there's no other player apart from the late explosion of Jannik. Rune , Korda and Shelton are sadly not fulfilling the expectations we all placed in them . Alcaraz might or might not become the GOAT , but the horizon still shows a clear path . The gulf in class between him and the rest of the pack is even bigger than Roger's in his early 20's
Love the show but would like to hear a bit more on Paolini. Jon talks more about Navarro then Paolini lol
Love it🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Love your show Andy, pls do speak more about money & tennis. How big money has changed players performance or attitude if at all.
Can we have an episode with one of the big 3??
may anyone tell me where they talk about doubles?
Alcaraz olağanüstü bambaşka bir seviye muhteşem bir tenisçi saf yetenek büyülü bir yanı var onu izlemek büyük keyif
By chase? Damn andy moving on up!
College Tennis was winner @Wimbledon
Good show man
I think we all just need to stop trying to predict the women’s draws! 🤦🏻♂️😂
Would have been good to hear more about other players although I appreciate to the victors goes the accolades. Ruud, Rune, end of the line Wawrinka, Monfils, Dimitrov. How disliked is Stefano Tsitsipas? Where is his career going? But really great in almost every aspect - just want more.
On the women's results, it is mostly due to the grass factor, in my opinion, that we observed. Grass always had, and still does, invalidated the women's and the men's ranking, with the exception of a few players. We want not to be confused by factors that have taken place on single players, in a positive or negative way, and make the mistake of creating a theory behind that. The two finalists were strongly motivated by intrinsic factors, for the winner was specific to Wimblond, and instead, the finalist was aspecific but related to the fact that Wimblond was the next big tournament after her tennis epiphany at RG.
Krejcikova had in her personal story the motivation to do well at Wimbledon; where Paolini, who is on a personal path that we can call maturity, realized that she can compete at a high level and possibly win big tournaments, has begun a second /adult part of her tennis career.
I'd like to know from a professional and Grand Slam winner like you Andy how much you think a draw can influence a Grand Slam. There have certainly been other instances like this with uneven draws, but Andy, how many tournaments do you think have been significantly influenced by the draw over the course of your career?
The tone of your conversation around Patten and Heliovaara was very disrespectful, guys. They beat Thompson and Purcell - "two credible singles players" as you rightly called them - in a high quality final. For you to diminish that reflects poorly on you. I defer to you on whether there needs to be a conversation around quality in the mens doubles, but it's a conversation that can and should be conducted respectfully.
No matter what Roddick says, remember that Roddick knows Federer is the 🐐
Did he Coconut at 17:49
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Man, I nearly clicked off the video at 34:00. The "statistical GOAT" bit was the first red flag. Has there ever been a more redundant qualifier? Then, the endless praise for Alcaraz by JW. I like Alcaraz and consider him a generational talent, but come on. He beat Medvedev on his worst surface and took down an old crippled Djokovic. And this whole narrative about him always being happy and joyful is way overstated. The kid flames out and breaks rackets just like anyone else when the pressure’s on. No need to paint him as a saint-his style of play and talents are marketable enough. And no, I'm not a fan of Djokovic's on-court demeanour.
I have never witnessed Alcaraz break a racket and I watch him a lot!
23:55 That was ‘93, not ‘94.
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Please, stop calling Alcaraz a kid. I don't ever hear you referring Rune, Shelton, or other players slightly older than him, a kid. Alcaraz is a 4-time grand slam champion who is respectful and humble beyond his years. He certainly deserves more respect from you guys.
The kid is really good.
Don't really understand the hype of Rybakina although I like her and was rooting for her! The way she handles the press, the same ways she answers after defeat with such a positive attitude time after time, doesnt seem very genuine and doesnt show that she has the drive! winning a bunch of 500 is different than 1000 or GS, although she's done them all
Carlos Alcaraz's real opponent will be father time, will he win as many Slams as the Big Three over 15 to 18 years but regardless he's the best young player mens tennis has ever seen.
"She won just one major outside clay" - Then Jon win as much as her and you will have a right to criticize her, because Gauff and Rybakina can't win anything more than 1 major and Sabalenka won 4 titles in 3 years, winning only AO and failing everything else.
Thank god Olympics are in 3 weeks because we need Iga to finally focus on improving outside French Open. We know in Poland that she has 510 out of 6000 possible points in slams outside RG and she must finally be freed of that Olympic Games distraction (her father was an Olympic rover who lost the chance for the medal because of his partner's injury and he made Iga obsessed with Olympics). That being said, i'm tired of "experts" shitting on Iga because she doesn't care about grass and calling it "capitulation". She told long before that she targets clay this year and if she says so then you should respect her decision, we in Poland think she shouldn't play Wimbledon at all because it lost it's prestige by having random winners each year.
Andy Murray winning 3 Slams and 2 singles Olympic golds. And Federer/Djokovic/Sampras winning a combined 58 Slams and 0 singles Olympic gold medals will forever devalue the importance of Olympic gold.
I don't think tennis should even be in the Olympics as the Slams are the pinnacle of the sport already.
I think the Olympics should be reserved for sports that don't already have a more important event.
I find the doubles talk a little weird to be honest - especially as we now have a women's singles champion who is also renowned doubles champion. I personally don't enjoy playing or watching doubles tennis nearly as much as singles, but the skills and tactics required to succeed there are substantially different than singles tennis, and Patten/Harri being nonfactors in the singles game have no affect on the legitimacy of their win. Elite touch at the net is much more valued than strong baseline hitting, point construction is vastly different.
If anything, it speaks volumes to the difference between doubles and singles tennis that two decently talented singles players lost to part-timers. We're in the era of heavy baseline hitting for singles, whereas players who live by the net in singles are rarer and rarer, so they're bound to be less comfortable on average in doubles where the game mostly takes place in or around the service box.
The Bryan brothers weren't a factor in the singlrs either, so I don't understand the point they are making.
dont want to listen to all, may you tell me at which point they talk about doubles?
@@dennisk.7574not sure the start within the first ten minutes of the video, around 9 minutes, maybe rewind a bit before
@@casualenjoyer5420 thanks homie!
@@jamesharris4008I think it’s a poorly articulated way to say that the doubles tour makes comparatively too much money in regards to the revenue generates from singles. As in, “look at how poor the level is, they make too much” since he refers to it being supported by singles. It’s a fairly valid point as far as viewership but it’s also just a byproduct of how tennis starts at grassroots levels. not enough courts, so doubles exists, and that generates affinity and fondness for the format.
Murray's impact was more in UK than globally- they wanted that Wimbledon title and would have deified the guy- any guy, who gave it to them... he was a great player, but he wouldn't get that send off any where else.
Kinda untrue. If you remember, he 'retired' a few years ago at the Australian Open. Or at least gave a strong impression it would be the end due to the pain of injury. The AO gave him a pretty big send off and fairwell video that he had to awkwardly react to on court 😂
@@lemmingsplat5279 must not have been too big- never heard of it til now....heard about the Wimbledon tribute every day for a week in advance-
Unless Sinner introduces more variety in his game and the use of slice specifically, Alcaraz is going to rule for the next few years. The match he lost to Medvedev just proves it. He kept rallying with Meddy when we know Meddy can out rally some of the greatest players. AO performance by Nadal should have been a source of inspiration for Sinner.
Djoko is currently out of form and not 100% fit. He hasn't won a title this year and has lost to guys out side the top 100 as well.
He needs to up his game as Alcaraz/Sinner are both beating him now in big tournaments.
That's a great point on doubles. It needs some image charge for most to get interested because the top singles guys won't touch it. Except Tsitsipas which maybe proves why he sucks at singles.
Is that why Sinner played doubles with Hubi at Halle and Meddy has been playing a lot more doubles to improve his volleys? Oh, and why Zverev also plays doubles and Krejcikova has won slams in doubles, Gauff always plays doubles, Sabalenka plays doubles, etc, etc, etc... Also Federer and Nadal played a bunch of doubles early on in their careers. How do you call a guy who's been in the top 10 5 years in a row and currently in the top 20 "sucking" at singles?
Why do Americans continually mispronounce Djokovic’s name? It is not Djokervich it’s pronounced DJOR-Ko-Vich. It’s really not that hard.
Edit: it can happen so quickly but Novak was outplayed by Sinner in his back yard in Australia, went 5 sets in two matches at RO in week 1 when he injured his knee, then plays 6 matches at Wimbledon - 5 of which were not v players in the top 10. This is the beginning of the end for him. Be interesting to see how he fares at the Olympics (best of 3 sets and back on clay) and trying to defend US open - where the hard courts are going to be very harsh on that newly operated knee.
Great chat with loads of insight, thank you all. Re the Meddy "F-you F-you F-you" vs Russian phrase silent mouthing example - if you silently mouth the word "colourful" it looks like "I love you" 😂. So, Meddy's story is possible but I also do not speak Russian so cannot verify it. 😂
The humorous thing is that "on top" Alcaraz could win the US Open, hold 3/4 majors, and STILL be a distant second because he has more points to protect. I still find it amazing that he hasn't passed Novak at this point, but the end of last year was a points extravaganza for Nole.
(More points to protect than Sinner does, I mean. Passing Nole is pretty much a given unless the GOAT really ups his game to last fall's level in the next month or two.)
Can anyone explain me the change in alcaraz serve that roddick talks about? Im not getting it
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Jon; Osaka? on hardciurts = Bread and butter
I wouldn't say Iga is falling... She could probably take the entire summer off and not come close to dropping a spot. for sure the ratings seem more solid in ATP - I guess doing other things is more interesting to women, Like Barty & Osaka.... IF , IF I was an all pro sports guy & accumulated a good pile, I'd be disgusted with airports, hotels and would do a Borg.
to be fair, Iga was never the best on grass. most of her points are from clay and slow hard courts. if anything, I expected her to lose early at wimbledon. so yeah, people say she is falling definitely do not know her game.
@@echochamber1234right?! Ruud and Iga, both clay specialists, are very adamant on their aversion to grass season!
Sablenko was ill guys, very ill, though even so tried hard and winning, she would have won, give her a break
The WTA lends itself to surprising slam winners because they don’t play best of 5.
Which is a disadvantage to them, let's be real. There are many cases where men came back from two sets down.
@@VescillaExactly. The men can come out flat, downright suck, and get away with it. The women have to be sharp every match, no time to “play their way in”. Much harder task.
There would be a lot more injuries if the ladies had to play best of five.
@@janetblack4215 you don't know that. In any case, that's not the reason why they're not playing bo5, it's purely because of tradition and that the organizers don't want women's matches to take up too much time because they don't sell enough tickets.
That's wrong. In 80's & 90's women's tennis was more predictable then men due to presence of 4 GOATs- (Chris, Martina, Steffi & Monica) & men's tennis produce random winners especially in the 90's early 2000's despite the presence of Sampras & Agassi. Agassi lacks consistency & Pete (outside of Wimbledon & US open) didn't dominant in others slams. So I didn't agree that bo5 set caused less upsets in men than women. Simple facts is today WTA has more depth but nobody has a GOAT level of talent (except Iga on clay).
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i think coco gauff need to change coach. brad gilbert cant improve her games