Shrek Theory: King Harold's Ogre Genocide!
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Today I want to explain why I believe King Harold may have been responsible for an ogre genocide, and if that is true, it would truly be the event that set the stage for everything else that happened in the Shrek saga thus far.
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I still think fairy godmother was the actual "witch" who turned Fiona into a ogre, just so her son could someday marry her and be considered a hero, especially since perhaps the king used to like fairy, but he instead married Lillian.
there is a lot of details that can be used here to support this but it would explain Harold's story even more
It makes perfect sense. Just one thing fairy godmother would have to consider when cursing fiona. Fiona would also have to love Charming in return to "take love's true form". If she didn't, and I would be surprised if she ever did, the spell would still be on her. Love isn't something that should be forced on someone, it should come naturally, and clearly it did with Shrek and Fiona
I'm pretty sure the video was saying the same thing.
Well if she wasn't the Witch, she may have at least employed one to act on her behalf....
@@eljordinio7647 I think that's where the total isolation comes in, with no real knowledge of what love is it's possible that she could trick herself into thinking she loved charming.
Like a sort of Stockholm syndrome I guess.
@@TheTrueSpottedStripe uh Stockholm syndrome is when u fall in love with your captor, and considering the one holding her prisoner was a dragon, who was also a girl, I don't think that would have worked
I mean I hear what ur saying but it seems unlikely she referred to Charming specifically as her potential love. She probably thought it was someone LIKE him
I never considered any of this, but it does make sense, and it makes the Shrek movies a lot darker in the subtext if this is true…
Herode disappeared after the first Shrek movie. So time line for first farfar way would be the same
I Think That Fairy Godmother is the BIG mastermind behind ogre slayings.
I'll say. She must have been responsible for Fiona's curse too
But where was she in the alternative timeline? And her son? Fiona still had the curse and was the legitimate heir of Far Far away, godmother's plan should still had worked without Shrek there to mess it up
@@m.v.gonzalez5575 maybe Rumpulstilskin found out about her scheme and decided to get rid of her and Charming?
She is racist to ogres
@@m.v.gonzalez5575 Perhaps With Harold out of the picture she decided to Bide her time while Rumplstiltskin and the Ogres fought, with the intent of moving in to take out the winning side while they were still weakened from the previous War...
I think instead, Harold was terrified because if Fiona got it on with Shrek instead of Charming, which is what HE expected as per the Fairy Godmother's demand, the more likely she would have stripped away his human form as pure punishment
He was simply afraid to show his true self to his love Lillian
Maybe it's Fiona's inner ogre that made her drawn to Shrek. I mean at least she could have someone to relate to
I'm pretty sure the kissed when he was a frog
@@theenderdestruction2362 what part of the movie mentions that?
@@theodoro3188 sorry i was wrong
@@theodoro3188 it’s implied that Lilian kissed Harold as a frog in the bedroom scene.
They are princess and the frog
I think king harold was someone in a high ranking position during the war and The fairy god mothers son's father or grandfather was the one that actually started the war
You mean Lillians Father
@ Issac Carlson There is another layer I think I could add to this theory. Harold could have been told all his life as a frog that he was an ugly abomination of nature. So, when he was turned into a human, the thought of other green creatures having control over a land and being in a culture that accepts them, warts and all, could have ignited his hatred, jealousy and bias toward them. Thus, through a bit of Fairy Godmother's manipulation, he saw them as undeserving of Far Far Away and deserving of death for even existing the way they do.
As Kermit the Frog would say, it's not easy being green
Wow. It's really NOT easy being green, is it?
Ogres legit eat frogs. Harold was a frog. You don’t really need any more reason than that.
Interesting theory of king Harold's relationship with ogres. I'd say he was part of a larger scheme. Fairy Godmother's
right after all she did say ogres don't live happily ever after.
@@racheljackson4428 I'm surprised SHE never committed an ogre genocide
It’s possible but because we know he kept his identity as the frog prince from even his wife, those so called “injuries” could have just been a cover story.
Also in the first Shrek film, Shrek scares the villagers by telling them what Ogers like to do with human. Making a coat out of their skin and making eyeball jelly for toast. So a slander campaign may not have even been necessary. Ogers may just enjoyed eating people and people were scared of them.
I think maybe some do but we’ve never actually seen any of that it’s all hypotheticals like shrek never seems like he wants to do that he’s just making jokes or trynna scare someone…i think it’s less of what ogres do and more that that’s the perception of them already and they’re in their solitude so much they pretend it’s real coz they don’t care if somebody is scared
@@brynniefresh9746 but wasn't Shrek like eat human eye balls in the film😭
@@sethsmith8701 i don’t think they’re human 😂
I think Shrek prefers to live in solitude and just scare away the humans cause he knows they all hate him. Shrek doesn’t seem like someone who wants to kill humans even if villagers are always after him with torches and pitch forks.
I like to believe he ate people.
Frogs are also the ancestors of ogres. Cause ogres and frogs are the same species but not really related.
Frogs have been evolve to ogres but some decided to stay frogs and migrating elsewhere
Frogs live in swamps and so is ogres
That would make ogres amphibians.
I did not know that 🤔
Want to provide proof of that?
I wouldn't be surprised if this did happen. A good theory and video as always!
The time line spite after the first Shrek movie. It's not world were herode wasn't Born
When I saw the title, this is what I thought:
King Harold hated ogres and commited the genocide. Maybe the witch chose Fiona’s curse specifically because of his actions: to make the thing he loved most into the very thing that he hated most…not for political control, but for retribution. (We see curses placed to that effect often).
Fairy Godmother then took advantage of his moment of weakness to propose to isolate her and begin her plot to take over Far Far Away. Fiona, also hating ogres then hated herself and was also then repulsed by Shrek…but during their time together on the adventure, she saw beauty in herself and then found the love for Shrek.
Then forcing Harold to accept all ogres as they are.
That would be very dark back story indeed for a kids movie. I assumed when he said my old crusade wound bothering, was like BS, just showing off to his wife or some sht like that
Knowing how FAR FAR he went just to get rid of Shrek simply cause of what he is, I wouldn't put it past him to have a reason for it instead of just keeping up his end of the deal with Fairy Godmother.
He tried to get rid of shrek mostly because of the deal Harold had made with the Fairy godmother. Had she not be a factor in Harold’s “happily every after” that he was afraid would be taken from him, I don’t think Harold would’ve considered killing shrek, even if he didn’t like him. He wasn’t even a human himself, so I think under different circumstances he wouldn’t have hated Shrek
This theory does sound very possible, Shrek 2 was my favorite Shrek movie
An interesting theory and one that has some credence to it, if one listens carefully during the dinner in Shrek 2, one can note a level of anger towards Shrek, this may be more than just simple rage at Shrek marrying his daughter but from a history of war with his kind.
As for far far away and the kingdom itself, it might be something more, in Shrek Forever after, the Ogres seem unified under Fiona but seem to have a number of individuals of authority. So it may have been that in past the Ogres lived in tribal societies that may have fought both outsiders and each other. But unlike in the battle against Rumblestiltskin the Ogres didn't have anyone to unify them against Harolds' Crusade, and despite fighting back were unable to resist. Those that survived fled into the swamps and forests for isolation and more importantly protection.
And this tribal idea may carry on here, the Ogres "tribes" may have divided up even further for protection, staying together would mean that if attacked and defeated then they would lose everything but living alone, isolated meant that if one home is found then only one Ogre would be lost not the whole tribe.
So he commited a crime against ogre kind aka a war crime that’s dark
Shrek is life
Shrek is love
I like your video because it makes the backstory of Shrek a lot more interesting than I would have expected if it is true or not that the oakers were warriors at heart but through one reason or another probably thanks to Fiona's father or something like that that it led to the yogers being more or less gone from the world only than Shrek and I would especially like it to be tied into Fiona's backstory about how she was cursed to become an ogre but we can only hope if something like that is ever confirmed either in a movie or do other types of media like a show thank you for your video
He must've called Rumplestiltskin for that 😉🤣
can't wait to see you make a video on King Triton's genocide of the Octupons in the Little mermaid series XD
while Harold could have gone to war with the ogres I don't think he started the genocide and was more of a generational thing and I think the kingdom always belonged to his family and could be that kingdom started out small and wanted to get bigger to keep up with the human population but they going ogre territory and drover the ogre off their land and it could be that humans outbred the ogres having more children, yes Fiona did have triplets but I think Orgres more than likely had one child at a time
so he didn't start the hatred or genocide against the ogres he just fell for it and it could be by the time he was in the Crusades that it had been going on for a long time and the ogre's population was already dindling or they spread out. in real life, the Crusades lasted for centuries so Harold was most likely a soldier in them at the end
but since he was a frog the kingdom wouldve belonged to lillians family not harolds
I would argue its more like "Alright, i joined the crusades for some time, and now i had the money to make my kingdom prosperous." The crusades was less of a "Filthy pagans are controling holy land", it was more of a "Pope needs more authority in both Europe and other side of the known world(IE Middle east), and these pesky nobles waging skirmishes should go there earn our trust." I mean the crusades finally gave some peace in Catholic Europe(What i mean is that in Medieval Europe, it was common for nobles waging wars against one and other to get their property, and i dont mean like "Kingdom A vs Kingdom B", i mean "Noble from Kingdom A is challenging another noble's authority from the same country". It usually was "Noble from Kingdom A vs noble from Kingom B" because its easier to justify it.)
The war might’ve been generational and once Harold turned human, he really started up the revolution to drive away all ogres. Fairy Godmother’s manipulation really did numbers there.
I wonder what King Harold would’ve done with HALF-ogres (the offspring of humans and ogres).
It sounds interesting, but I have an inquiry on that theory.
When Harold initially almost signed off his kingdom to Rumpel, he was stopped by the news that Fiona had been rescued.
In this alternative timeline, we are never told that Rumpel changed the past deeds of King Harold, but picked up where he left off in ruling Far Far Away. Therefore if Harold was responsible for the ogre genocide, and it was undone by Rumpel, it had to have happened after Fiona was rescued in the original timeline, and therefore within Shrek's lifetime.
Although we could say that Rumpel's rule forced the originally isolated ogres to band together as they had once done, so I guess I'm just spitballing here.
But why didn't Shrek know of their past when all the others apparently did?
This is confusing. 😂😂
I think it’s because the ogre genocide likely took place before Shrek was born but no one ever told him anything about it. He may have known parts of it but not the full story.
I feel bad for the ogre race
I have an idea for a very dark and somewhat very twisted Encanto Theory video. What if Abuela made Pepa and Felix have Antonio in order to make up for Mirabel not receiving a gift? We saw how much she strongly value the magic and how Mirabel not receiving a gift cause everyone to worry that there was something wrong with the magic. Wouldn't put it aside her to conduct a scheme like having her other daughter to have another child in hope that one will receive a gift unlike her last grandchild.
I guess it is true. Power, and magic, corrupts
I was thinking the same thing.
Well Abuela should’ve considered that maybe the casita chose mirabel to take over one day and Abuelas room will be hers but every time the candle holder dies their picture is added to the wall of the room of the current candle holder reminding of the previous candle holders
Don’t forget that Abuela was anxious to have as many Gifts in the family as she could. She likely became a bit upset once Bruno disappeared, as he would no longer be able to give her grandchildren to serve the Encanto. Ergo, the current Madrigals were pressured to pick up the slack and to “keep the Miracle burning” by having multiple children.
@@Olivia-iv8kd Why on Earth would she ever consider that? Abuela likely instituted herself as Candle Holder, as she was too old to get a Gift of her own. Given how every Madrigal child since had gotten a Gift, I honestly don’t blame her for worrying that Mirabel was a warning that the Miracle was fading.
Casita can’t directly speak with Abuela to explain things, after all. You’re looking at it through the lens of the movie, where we know what happens and can see things through a neutral and logical lens. Abuela doesn’t have that luxury.
That actually does not have much backing to it as the time does not line up cause in the forth movie ,he the kind was king already and gave up his kingdom for his problems to go away so unless the killing of all the ogers happen in-between that then this theory does not really make sense
This is most likely cause the timeline of the fourth movie does not make sense
I’ve kind of wondered did the king have an affair or was Arthur a distant cousin or secret brother
He said Arthur was his nephew.
@@cristyflaherty4902 Artie was actually LILLIAN’s nephew.
@@YellowBear-kx1ff I didn't know that
He's related to Lillian hence the similar facial features and hair style/color
How about a theory on why Arthur's father left him at Worstershire.
Now this is a very interesting but kind of a dark fan theory right there 👀
Dang. We knew he was a jerk but a genocider? That… makes you look at King Harold (and the series) very differently.
But a very interesting theory, dude. As always.
harold wasn't a bad person. he was very misguided and he was blackmailed by fairy godmother and they both made a deal
it wasn't his fault. he was afraid he might loose everything. even he find out that true love can find happiness
This theory makes a lot of sense it’s not hard to imagine an alternate timeline where this kept on going without Shrek which was kinda done in Forever After but with Rumplestilskin in charge
I love the theory but literally don’t see this happening
It's a possibility King Harold could've had conflict with other ogres but maybe not a full on genocide. If other ogres were like shrek, then king Harold may have had them "removed" from far far away which may have started an unintentional ripple effect.
Well that make sense I mean frogs and orgers are related but not really but looking at the time set shrek are in it make a lot of senct
Based on how people treat shrek, I dont think there was a war against ogres. If there was there would be plenty of people who remember it. They would remeber their friend being killed by ogre and/or themselves killing ogres. There would be people who would know how to fight ogres and are less likely to accept him in the later movies. In shrek 4, people are excited to see him. It more that they are afraid because they dont understand what ogres are like. When they learned more about what kind of person shrek is, they stopped fearing him and became more of a fan instead. It more likely that ogre arent that common so they dont know if an ogre is dangerous or not.
Can you a video of Hercules theorizing how everyone in the village where Hercules grew up who called and considered him a "Freak" reacted to Hercules' suddenly fame and fortune as Greece's greatest hero? Because I always wanted to know how the villagers who despised Hercules reacted to his suddenly fame and fortune as Greece's greatest hero, and if they tried to apologize to Hercules for everything and every bully he suffered in his childhood and teenage years.
Please, can you do a video telling the origins of Iago the Parrot from Aladdin? Because some of the only things I know about Iago, are due his long partnership with Jafar, Iago has a vast knowledge of magic more than the Genie himself, and Iago was purchased by Jafar in the marketplace of Agrabah some years before the events of Aladdin.
Can you do a video about Fa Mulan's full story? Because I want to know more about her childhood and her struggle to find her destiny in the chinese society, her courage to take her father's place in the Chinese Army, and if after Mulan told about to Shang about Mushu, he decided to combines the family temples, forcing the ancestors to continue letting Mushu be a guardian. Also I want you theoryzing if like in the live-action version of Mulan, she has the same natural ability and skills to fight like she has in the animated version.
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I like this. In fact I think it has prime fanfic or prequel material. Things that could be expanded upon. Imagine a young Harold, a humble toad begs the Godmother to help him achieve Happily Ever After, to which she agrees and thus creates the very first Happily Ever After potion, the same potion that Shrek would later use but, of course there's a catch. Godmother knows that this land she wants would be a perfect place to erect a kingdom but, the Ogres who she's prejudice against and views as beneath her are in control. We don't know how old Fairy Godmother is being a very old character perhaps as old as Merlin. It's likely Fairy Godmother craved power and knew that her magic would only allow her to get it if she used it to manipulate and control others around her, so she does. She makes the first potion herself, no factory or workers just her own magical resources and with it she gives him the ability to win his bride but, promises to return some day so that Harold will repay her for this.
I theorize that Harold's wife may in fact be the princess from the story of King Grisly-Beard from the Grimm's Fairy Tales. In it, a great king of a land Far aAway in the East had a daughter who was very beautiful, but so proud, and haughty, and conceited, that none of the princes who came to ask her in marriage was good enough for her, and she only made sport of them. (sounds an awful like our martial artist queen with a snarky attitude), But the old king was very angry when he saw how his daughter behaved, and how she ill-treated all his guests; and he vowed that, willing or unwilling, she should marry the first man, be he prince or beggar, that came to the door. In the story that's when a fiddler comes in. However in the Shrek version it's Harold. He comes in and gets his bride. Obviously he's not beggar or prince but being human alone would allow him the chance.
This far away kingdom could be what is now the center of Far Far Away in the Shrek verse a much smaller kingdom but a kingdom none the less. With the outer mountains, forests, and rivers being occupied by magical creatures that they respected well enough to leave alone. That is until Godmother sees this as an opportunity and uses her connection with the new king Harold to gain status, she uses other deals to slowly encroach on this territory. Rapunzel likely uses the witch's cabbage patch and gives it to Fairy Godmother as a location to make her potions (hence why it looks like a cottage from the front because at one point it was), Cinderella once married gave her a reputation for kindness and acceptance of all people (Cinderella was a poor servant after all), and of course Pinochio could've been an experiment that got loose from the cottage and simply never realized that she was the one who gave him life. (after all Fairy Godmother often wears shades of red and pink while in public, but wears blue or purple when doing most of her work. )
Damn. Fiona would never forgive her dad.
Runs around screaming deez nuts 😂
That could also explain why Fiona was cursed to be an ogre at night
Fiona was probably born between around sunset and then ones the sun goes down. It is now night time then fiona transforms into an ogre around 6:40pm i guess?
King Harold was essentially in a predicament that our best analogue for is the Nuremberg Trials:
It’s hard to separate simply following genocidal instruction from superiors, and being genocidal in personal ideology.
Either way as long as Fairy Godmother had Fiona as her pawn in the tower, she had the power to make Far Far Away a utopia in her image and completely oust the ogres.
But with the rescue taking too long and the royals being desperate to rescue their daughter from cruel fate, they were ready to sell the kingdom to Rumpledstiltskin.
Speculation of the comparison and contrast from original Far Far Away to distorted Far Far Away is that with Rumpledstiltskin in charge of the kingdom, none of what Fairy Godmother promised for the kingdom is applied.
My theory is that since Rumoledstiltskin has a knack for finding the historical threads that send things unraveling, he knew that Fairy Godmother was in charge of Far Far Away, so when the King and Queen promised control of the kingdom for Fiona’s fate, he knew that he was going to directly replace Fairy Godmother.
Fairy Godmother probably does not exist in that timeline.
If he didn’t replace Godmother from the time of her origin, he probably replaced her at a time around when she granted Harold humanhood, thus kinghood, on a few conditions.
Without Fairy Godmother around, there’s much less foothold for human society and no advanced infrastructure, since no one other than someone who could wave a magic wand could possibly take the time to make such nice cobbled streets and intricate yet unified housings.
Perhaps the kingdom only existed, there was no town at all otherwise, in order for King Harold to have a region to be the ruling “King of”.
No, scratch that, Rumpled would have replaced Fairy Godmother after Fiona was born, and not only that, but given her curse to alternate between human and ogre form.
So into the early years of Far Far Away as a kingdom. (Why make a metropolis right away if there aren’t many people to occupy or curate the buildings?) But there could certainly be time shortly after the application of that curse for Harold (Fairy Godmother) to declare war against the ogres.
RumpledStiltskin replaced Fairy Godmother before she could proposition King Harold to “prove himself” as a king, to take an army to defeat and banish the ogres. As a result, the ogres are still populous and unified.
She couldn’t do anything about it, she’s fairy-powerless if she even exists.
(I forget, did Rumoledstiltskin have a fairy wand?)
That’s my conclusion.
I TOTALLY agree with you! I never liked the Fairy Godmother or her son in the Shrek franchise. She is a master manipulator. I believe Fairy Godmother simply took advantage of King Harold's 'happily ever after' and used him a pawn in her grand scheme. Therefore, easily manipulating into creating a perfect kingdom... in her image.
I'm surprised she didn't even try to rule said kingdom
I think by rule a human must be the king which is why she wanted her son Prince Charming to be king.
But all of the ogres that were shown in the alternative time line have appeared at the end when everything has returned to normal. Also, King Harold's prejudice against Shrek came from his own insecrurity about his past as a frog, he wanted Fiona to have a life with a regular human so she wouldn't have to go through what he had to.
Do this for httyd
How all dragons species and populations went to the hidden world and lived under toothlesses rule and watcht the 9 realms
I do believe that Fairy Godmother did have King Harold wage war against Ogres, as Fairy Godmother said it herself regarding her beliefs towards Ogres, “Ogres don’t live happily ever after.” But then it looks like both King Harold and Fairy Godmother were proven wrong when Shrek and Fiona came around and there.
Also, next time you do a What If, you should consider doing “What if Kiara ran away with Kovu”.
I read the title and had to click
considdering that Harold had no clue how to even kill one Ogre, I seriously doubt that he orchestrated an Ogre genocide
more likely the ogres simply lived scattered all over until rumplestiltskin actually did go after them effectively (using witches), forcing the remaining ones to go in hiding together knowing that all alone they would be picked off easily
1:56 Except he lives alone because his father was a brute of an ogre who tried eating him. Then due to townsfolk always calling him a monster and trying to attack him, he became more of a recluse, scaring off anyone who came close.
Awesome video
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Zombies 3 is almost here so if you have any more videos left bows the best time IssacCarlson
I always thought that the reason that King Harold hated Shrek (and possibly all Ogres) was because Harold was born a Frog and Ogres are known to kill Frogs in the Shrekverse. I mean, we legit see Shrek make a balloon out of a frog in the first movie. I don’t doubt that he’s eaten his fair share of frog legs while living in his Swamp.
Harold’s body may have changed, but I doubt his instincts have. He sees Shrek as a monster and as a predator.
Even so, given Harold’s hesitance and sheepishness in hiring Puss in Boots to kill Shrek, I sincerely doubt he had ever ordered an Ogre be killed before. If anything, I’d assume that small-time Lords like Farquaad primarily hire Bounty Hunters like Puss to kill Ogres so that they can take their land.
Can you do a video telling Shego's full story from Kim Possible? Because I want to how many villains she worked for as a mercenary before she become subsequently Dr Drakken's henchwoman.
I’ve only watched shrek one I think I might watch Shrek two To watch Puss in boots and the new one
Shrek 2 is my personal favorite enjoy
Can you do which is the most romantic of Disney lovers next?
Thank you for posting the video.
Fairy Godmother had been blackmailing Harold all that time and demanding that he must return his debt by making his daughter to be married to her son. In that way Fairy Godmother can achieve the way to royal power to rule behind her son-king. If things go wrong Fairy Godmother will strip away her spell which she had used on Harold-frog
Can you do a theory about what could happened to Snow White's father, The King, before the events of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves? Because I want to know if he died in a war against an enemy kingdom like it happened in the book "Fairest of them all: A Tale of a Wicked Queen", or maybe simply the Evil Queen poisoned him to take over the kingdom.
I think in the original fairytale she either poisoned or stabbed the King
I think the crusade wound joke is a reference to John Cleese (Harold's voice)'s character Basil Fawlty who will use his old war wound as an excuse to not move something or to give a reason for screaming when asked
I’ve nevertheless thought about this.
It would make sense as why Harold didn’t like Shrek and one of the many reasons why he didn’t like him (the latter being the agreement that was made with the Fairy Godmother.)
The other reason being of Fiona’s curse (her being part ogre due to her curse that was cast on her by a witch as a baby) which I think was some kind of karma/revenge for what he had done to ogres in his past.
@ Isaac Carlson wow this franchise is getting darker than I thought it was before. Though Farquaad's reason banishing fairytale creatures was because father issue with Grumpy I wouldn't surprised if this was another reason why this all happened. Also could you make a video about Dreamworks The Bad Guys, such as why they are along with Diane and Marmalade are the only anthropomorphic animals in human society. I know the director gives us an explanation, but I would like to hear your theory. And also do you think Diane Foxington and Nick Wilde are descendants of Robin Hood whose ancestor was Reynard the Fox that Disney Robin Hood was based of?
Never knew shrek theory was something I needed in my life
Very cool! I like this theory!
I hope you do a video about Prince Eric's full story. Because I want to know what happened to Eric's parents, if his parents died when Eric was a child, how he met and adopted his loyal dog Max and how many princesses from different kingdoms beyond the "princess of Glowerhaven", Prince Eric met and has turned down on them before meet and falling in love for Princess Ariel, and if Eric had to be married to become monarch of his kingdom!
As they say in Warcraft.
*FOR THE HOOORRRDE!!*
If King Harold DID create propaganda about ogres, then maybe he was responsible for fairytales in Far Far Away about evil ogres being about evil ogres (like the 2nd part of Charles Perrault’s Sleeping Beauty)?
i realy love this theory and maybe more about narnia
He could be a Mutant that had Ogre-like Ancestors
There's one major flaw with this theory, the timeline only changed things after Shrek's birth at the most. That makes it nearly impossible for something preceding his birth to be affected by the deal with Rumple. Far far away was only deposed AFTER the events of the first Shrek movie as Fiona's parents were only willing to sign the contract because no one was able to bring Fiona back. We see that Rumple's original plan was ruined as a messenger came with news that she was rescued by someone (Shrek). This means that even if Harold had a bloody war with the Ogres before Shrek was born, it couldn't possibly have been changed by Rumple's deal. It's much more likely that Ogres did indeed just live naturally more solitary lives but Rumple is the one who wanted to cover his bases and have Ogres hunted down so that he could find both Fiona and Shrek before he could break the contract with a kiss. This led to Ogres being driven out of their homes where they would try and fight back as a group, which led to them developing a warior culture. It's an interesting theory for sure, but it ultimately doesn't work with the timeline.
Is it confirmed that Harold with original frog or people just assuming it
Great theory. Starting to feel like the Shrek universe had a lot more to it that they could have added. Shrek the Third felt like a bit of a letdown compared with the second movie and after Shrek Forever After the franchise seemed to just be forgotten (until recently when they announced a fifth film).
Harold might have been scared of Ogres based on what he might have experienced as a frog. I mean when you look at the movies and hear the Ogres talk about the food they prepare (Shrek making rat stew and rat kabobs in the first movie, the ogre warriors trying to eat donkey in the fourth movie, along with them eating bugs, eyeballs, snakes, etc) eating frogs doesn't sound like something too far off. Or simply them making balloons out of frogs could have been enough. So him trying to wipeout Ogres might have not been as morally hard for him as we might think. I also like in the pub scene a talking frog asked if she knew Harold, nice foreshadowing if you ask me.
That is a super great theory, I love it
Hey Isaac. Are you going to do a review on Dragons The Nine Realms if you’ve seen?
Harold had his doubt about ogres change after he understood shrek and Fiona’s love
Didn’t even know that part about Harold
Hah I knew he was a like a murdering crazy king dictator
I used to enjoy being in your discord server. Unfortunately it's now Patreon exclusive and I like the many others who couldn't afford to support you on patreon were kicked out. You still make some good theories though.
Can you do a video telling The Beast's full story? Because I want to know if the Beast's past in the 2017 version of "Beauty and the Beast" about being abused and "trained" by his father to become a cruel, heartless, spoiled and selfish leader after his mother's death is the official canon background of the Beast in Disney Universe, and with how many years the Beast/Prince Adam became cursed, because was implied in the 1991 version that he was cursed when he was 11 years old, but in the flashback of Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas, Prince Adam appears to be more than 11.
if this is true then fiona turning into an ogre with the fairy godmothers curse then thats a HUGE ironic kick in the teeth to harold, have you suggested why the fairy godmother hated ogres to begin with? she was pretty big on the "ogres dont get happily ever after" thing
also, where did dragon come from and how did she end up chained at fionas tower?
I think whole reason how King Harold did what he did was because of two things. One he was a Frog and Ogres used Frogs as Ballons or just eat them or Two He was manipulated by the Fairy Godmother into being a Knight King that killed the Shrek Species within the Shrek Universe and that's how Shrek is only one left standing unless Shrek 5 brings back the Ogres in someway like what Kung Fu Panda 2 and 3 did.
Wow this was a very interesting theory.
Can you do a video with a Ratatouille theory about what would be the conviction that Horst served time in prison? Because in film Ratatouille, Colette told Linguini that Horst tells a different story every time when someone in Gusteau's Kitchen asks him, and I want to know why anyone in Gusteau's Kitchen hasn't researched for Horst's criminal record.
It was a reference to John Cleese being in the sitcom Fawlty Towers, it was a running joke in FT that he had shrapnel in his lwg from the Korean war.
Can you a video about a Sleeping Beauty or Maleficent Theory about IF Prince Phillip's mother, Queen Ingrith was princess of the human kingdom where Aurora was born, because her birth family kingdom is near the Moors realm, and Queen Ingrith told her kingdom was also near the Moors, and I want to know if Aurora's grandfather King Henry, led a revolution to overthrow Ingrith's father after her brother was allegedly killed by the Moors creatures.
I have a question, what happened to the fairy godmother when rumple stiltskin took over far far away? That gave charming the open door. Or did something happened to him too?
I would say it is similar to Warcraft orcs or Real life Visigoths
1. Warcraft Orcs wanted new opponents in new world, so they devastated stormwind, and waged deadly war in the Lordaeron(Which they lost and moved to other side of the world). Or as i call it "The Great Leaders were sick of the sight of sweatshop stormwinders living much better lives than their mudhuts green leaders did. So out of envy, they ate all chlorophyl and moved on to another place to eat more chlorophyl"
2. Visigoths in Thrace during Valens' reign. They migrated from Modern Romania to Modern Bulgaria because of famine, they wanted to live like the others. Considering Goths were the Germanics, Roman authorities treated them badly, VERY badly. Nothing new, right? But you will treat others badly if you're doing it from position of strength, which Roman authorities WERENT! What did it lead to? Battle of Adrianople in 375 AD, the battle that destroyed elite army of Eastern empire, killed Emperor Valens and started late Roman Era, the one that ended in 476 AD, by the end of Western Roman Empire.
Can you a video telling Disney's Cinderella's Fairy Godmother's Full Story? Because I want know if she was born a fairy or she was originally a human, how she got her magic wand, how she learned the magic word Bibbidi-bobbidi-boo to use the wand and if she has helped any other princesses and girls before she helped Cinderella to marry Prince Charming and getting her Happily Ever After, or she only appeared to Cinderella as a embodiment of Cinderella's dreams of happiness.
So do you think that it could’ve been Fairy Godmother who really cursed Fiona knowing Harold’s hatred of Ogers? Or do you think that Fairy Godmother knew the person (possibly a former client) who cursed Fiona with Fairy Godmother helping to select the right spell knowing and using Harold’s hatred for Ogers?
I wonder with Puss in Boots: The Last Wish pretty much confirming that our next visit into this universe is going to be in Far Far Away, if we'll get to see how the Ogre vlan and humans are doing living with or next to each other considering Shrek's and Fiona's status among both races
This is definitely a good theory. Especially considering he was born a frog. If you think about it, ogres are a combination of humans and frogs which would also explain why Fiona was cursed into being an ogre.
I wonder once he was human and manipulated by Fairy Godmother even more, he could’ve really fueled on that hatred towards those that made him into what he was. The easiest target was likely ogres since they are part frog. I’m sure it went on even before Harold for humans to dislike ogres but he was the one driven to “take care” of them.
Remember that Harold made the deal with Fairy Godmother that she would gift him humanity so that Prince Charming would eventually marry Fiona. Took up until Shrek 2 to switch the teas to back out of Fairy Godmother’s deal and there isn’t anything wrong with Shrek and other ogres.
Can you do a video about Disney's Cinderella's Prince Charming? Because I want to know if The King and the Queen told him many times the story of how they met and fell in love in order to make Prince Charming believe in find True Love someday and if his mother's death when he was only a child somehow influenced and made him to lose interest in the responsibilities as future king.
I have a theory you could do, what happened to Dulcinea? After the first Puss in Boots movie there was a spin off show that took place called The Adventures of Puss in Boots. In it we meet Dulcinea, a cat character that was built up to be Puss's love interest through out the series and at the end she rides off with him into the sunset so I want to ask. What happened to Dulcinea after The Adventures of Puss in Boots came to an end?
Can you a video telling Prince Phillip's full story? Because I want to you teorizing if his mother died giving birth to Philip or died from some illness when Phillip was a child, and if Prince Phillip and his father King Hubert were aware or not about the plane made by the Three Good Fairies and approved by King Stephan about Flora, Fauna and Merryweather hiding Princess Aurora during the 16 years in an effort to try to prevent Maleficent's curse to be fulfilled. Also I want to know how years old was Prince Phillip when he or adopted or was gifted by his father King Hubert with his loyal noble steed Samsom.
The only thing that contracts me to this is that Harold need help “getting rid of” Shrek because he goes to Puss, who I believe is atleast partly responsible for getting rid of most if not the rest of the orgres who we don’t see until happily ever after
Harold: *Kills Ogres*
Shrek: U forgot me
not all of them. some from the forever after kinda alive and they might've went hiding and never heard from them again
@@ninjasolarteam right
good theory👍😁
Can you do a video about High School Musical theorizing what is the job of Gabriella’s mother who makes them both move so much? Because is so mysterious the reason that makes Gabriella Montez and her mom Mrs. Montez from city to city from time to time.
I want a video telling Aladdin's full story, because I want know more about his past of struggle to survive in the streets of Agrabah, and because will be fun and cool to tell Aladdin's transition from a street rat to a Prince and become heir to the throne of Agrabah alongside his beloved Princess Jasmine. Also, I want you theorizing where Aladdin and Genie were during the events of Disney Enchanted Tales: Follow Your Dreams segment "More than a Peacock Princess", if they were in a diplomatic mission for the Sultan, or most likely they were visiting Aladdin's father Cassim in a hidden place in a kingdom far away from Agrabah, since Iago returns to Agrabah while Aladdin and Genie were absent.
Maybe Shrek is a forgotten Human that became homeless