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It's Tandy 1000 Time (Part 2) |
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In this video, we're comparing the Tandy 1000 HX and TL models! Please like, subscribe, and stay tuned for fresh content and all the latest information about the Vintage Geek museum.
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I've really enjoyed your videos! I started out with the TI99/4A and moved to the Tandy Color Computer 2 and 3. I worked at a Radio Shack Dealer from 1988 to 1996. I sold a lot of Tandy 1000's in those years and owned a Tandy 1000TX. In my opinion the TX and the TL series (1/2/3) were the best 1000s and the best value for the money. A great feature they had that the 1000 EX/HX and SX/SL series didn't was the ability to add an extra 128K of RAM for video RAM, freeing up the 640K for the system. With the 320x200 16 color graphics and 3-voice sound the Tandy 1000 series was the best bridge from the "home computer" world to the MS-DOS world. The RL/RSX series came out when VGA and Sound Blaster was common in clones and no longer provided the value that the earlier 1000 series did. That was when Tandy computers became much harder to sell and it wasn't long until Tandy sold the computer manufacturing to AST and got out of the business entirely. I look forward to visiting your museum when it opens!
I bought a Tandy 1000TL new in 1989 when I was 16 years old (I saved from a summer job to be able to afford it!). I still have it in my office, as it's a fun vintage PC to have for some of that old software. I enjoyed your Tandy 1000 videos except for one small thing - you didn't show any games that took advantage of the extra colors and sound of the machines! CGA looked bad then, and it still does. the 16 colors from the 1000 was a HUGE improvement at the time. The sound was also a huge improvement. My friends were all jealous of my Tandy 1000, at least until VGA hit the market.
Yes great point on the games. Somewhere in our collection we have more that would actually utilize the extra capabilities and as we organize and locate them we’ll definitely be doing another video! Thanks so much for watching!
The plus cards on the Tandy 1000 HX/EX were actual cards that pushed into the slot and stacked one upon another if you had more than one card. Memory card (640k upgrade), Modem card and Serial card. External sound output is on the right (headphone jack). The Tandy 100 HX is my favorite of the Tandy line.
my first PC was a 1000TX. I have several of those now. VGA cards, CF/IDE adaptors. Still working great after all these years.
About the HX, another difference over the EX was that the HX had MSDOS 2.1 in ROM, with a menu driven interface and could boot with no disks. Also, the second drive bay supported an internal hard disk option, or a 2nd floopy.
It also does have audio out. There is a volume wheel on the right side of the machine near the joystick ports, along with a 3.5mm headphone port. As I recall, while not stereo, i seem to recall that it did at least output to both channels; but don't quote me on that, I may have had my speakers connected with a splitter adapter.
The internal card ports were standard ISA with a different slot design. You can get adapters to use standard ISA cards. The PLUS cards all had a passthrough, so cards stacked above would plug into the port of the card below. No circuitry, and no backplane (technically) just a straight tap off the ISA lines.
The ports on the back mostly were for adding a 5.25" disk drive externally, and the printer port was a standard parallel 'centronics' connection, but with a card edge connector instead of pins. Printer being the most common, of course.
I also *think* modems may have been able to connect to the drive port, but maybe those were internal only. Thats long enough ago that I might be getting my modem for it confused with the other computer I got later.
I remember my Tandy 1000 TL/2, it was my first DOS computer. There was nothing like buying a 10 pack of 3 1/2" floppies and then spending 30-45 minutes formatting the whole box.
I had the 1000sl2 as a kid. It was several years old when we got it free from a neighbor. Came with the big daisy-wheel printer and loads of floppy discs. Pretty crazy how a 1988 expensive computer was basically worthless by the time windows95 dropped. But my old desktop from 2009 is still good for email and youtube.
The HX does have an audio out port; it's just that it's only the headphone port on the right side of the machine. 😀
Great spot. Beat me to it. I thought of this as a great answer to the Apple 2c
Just found this channel. Loving it so far 👍✊
That one connector next to where the power supply is, doesn't go to a ribbon cable. That was for Tandy's "Plus Card" expansions. They were exclusive to the HX and EX, but offered similae upgrades for the 1000/1000A (additional RAM and a DMA controller, serial port, modem). They are pin-compatible with ISA, and people even made ISA slot adapters for the EX/HX. The most popular one is an open-source project, which adds DMA, upgrades RAM to the max with an additional 96K of upper address, serial port, and XT-CF Lite.
As the designer of the Tandy EX/HX 3-in-1, I can say for sure that the Plus Bus is not quite "pin compatible".. but it is adaptable. The biggest difference is that the pins are swapped even to odd side, and there are a number of missing signals.. the most annoying of which are several of the IRQ pins.
The 3-in-1 also does not add DMA, but that was largely only added on the official cards for DRAM refresh. Since the 3-in-1 card uses SRAM, that is not required... otherwise you are spot on :)
@@rkrenicki interesting. I didn't know the 3-in-1 didn't have the DMA controller, or the missing/swapped pins on the connector.
Ah, looks like you caught the note about the Panasonic FX-1650 being an SL/2 and not a TL/2 on this video. ;). The FX-1650 was my first "PC Compatible" computer, so I have many many hours on one of those. It took me several years to track one down to re-add to my collection... now that I have one, they seem to all be coming out of the woodwork, hah!
Great videos. I appreciate your channel. I noticed the games tested on part one and two were 4 color pc games not tandy 16 color. Also the pc games didnt support the cool three voice sound of the tandy 1000. To really show what the tandy can do Id recommend games that utilize those features. There were tons of 80s games that did including almost all of sierra’s kings quest and other adventure titles etc.. Anyways thanks for the wonderful videos.
Thanks so much! Yes as you and a few others have pointed out not having games that take advantage of the capabilities…we’re hoping that as we continue to organize the collection we’ll uncover the box of games that at the moment we can’t seem to find! When we do we’ll definitely have to do another video :)
I can relate to digging out a collection. Recently I did the same after buying shelving. Now everything is easy to get to as well as on display but wow that was a task! A few of my games were found in my basement and had some mold on the disk surface. I bought a 5.25 and 3.5 disk cleaning frame off e bay made via a 3d printer. They worked great and out of five moldy games only one was largely unreadable after cleaning with a q-tip and alcohol. It was kings quest 4 for the tandy 1000 on 3.5” low density disk unfortunately. The fortunate piece for that game was I could copy all the data off the disks (took multiple tries) one final time and made backup disks. Good luck and I hope you uncover some gems and the disks are clean.
Thexder is a great game to run on these Tandy machines.
I have a TL mine since 1989. I also have 2 hx and 1 ex. Fantasic dos computers. I'd recommend space quest 3 to best test the tandy 1000 tl as it has 16 colour tandy graphics as well as support for the tl digital sound fx.
I had an RLX 1000, with a color monitor, printer, keyboard, mouse and 3 1/2" floppy drive, 20 MB hard drive. DOS 6.22, BASIC, and DeskMate(my favorite app!)
1992
I learned more BASIC (After a TI 99 4A) and loved Desk Mate 3! Color GUI. Household apps. I used Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune, Print Shop and Hangman was on the Desk Mate program. (Tandy 1000 RLX)
Fascinating about the Panasonic computer, I'd never run into that before.
If you'll be covering more Tandy 1000 series systems, you should pick a game that supports the Tandy 16 color graphics and three voice sound. Look for specific tandy support in the hardware requirements stickers of your box software, or screenshots with 16 colors on the back of the box.
Another great video!
I had a TL. It had a 40MB Western Digital hard disk in it when I bought it...and a copy of AntiEXE.
Each of the card had a connecctor that passed trough with a female socket that just stacked together one on top of the other.
Yep, This is exactly how it was done. There was no ribbon or riser back plane
Ahhh Radio Shack. The one place where you give personal info, eye exam, and a blood test…to buy a pack of batteries.
I loved going in there as a kid, but many times the old fart salesmen were total snobs or thought kids were there to steal.
I bought my first “real” computer from one in Fremont, OH. An IBM Aptiva P133 for $1500.00. I used my first credit card and thought it was amazing.
My junior high school had a Model I or II that we played simple black and white games, but we loved it. Good memories.
My mother uncle or my grandpa own an old pc but its in other city where i used to live i know it when i visit his house in the 90s
My Tandy 1000sl which is just a tl with a 5 inch floppy drive instead of the 3.5 inch drive was my first computer and I really want another one or at least an hx which would probably be easier for me to use
There's an audio jack on the right side next to the volume knob on the EX.
And the HX too.
Dude, you're running Tandy 1000s. Why are you in 4-color CGA mode and no 3-voice when playing games?
We had not yet found the Tandy 1000 game box when we filmed (several others brought this up as well)...the good news is that we have now found more of the games in the collection and we'll be doing another video later this month to show the games that take advantage of the graphics and sound capabilities. Thanks for watching!
It goes to a backplane.
Software that supported Tandy sound and graphics would have been nice
Isn't the audio and volume knob next to the Joystick ports on the EX/HX?
Great set of videos!
One minor aside though. You didn't really feature the 16 color Tandy mode in your demonstration. You should follow up on that.
You are correct, and others have pointed that out also. Unfortunately when we went to shoot these we were unable to find the extra box of Tandy software that had some of the titles that supported 16 color...but the good news is we've found a couple of them in the last few days and we're planning to do another 'Tandy Extra' video to showcase those as well as some other bonuses too! Thanks so much for watching!