How-to: Installing a Gotek in a Tandy 1000HX
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ย. 2019
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Time for some Tandy love! Let's install a Gotek floppy drive emulator loaded with FlashFloppy open source firmware into a Tandy 1000HX. It's not as simple as it would seem as Tandy went with some non standard things inside of the Tandy 1000HX.
** Please excuse the typos in some of the text in this video. **
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Previous Tandy 1000 EX videos:
Fix and Tour:
• Radio Shack Tandy 1000...
Gotek for the Tandy 1000EX:
• Tandy 1000 EX 3.5" flo...
RAM and CPU upgrade:
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More links:
Gotek Floppy Emulator on Ebay: (Should be around $19)
www.ebay.com/itm/3-5-inch-USB...
Gotek FlashFloppy Firmware:
github.com/keirf/FlashFloppy
HXC firmware link: (Paid firwmare for Gotek)
hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_e...
Tandy 1000HX System Disks and Technical manual: (including SETUPHX)
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You have not gotten enough props for this comment! This just made my day 💾💽
in the early 80's my boss bought a Tandy HDD .It was huge! He was so proud of it. I think he paid 1000 for it. It had one meg of storage xD
Awesome Adrian, thanks again for another enjoyable video. Love this channel.
Part of Personal DeskMate is actually located in the 1000HX ROM.
I used to sell these computers,from memory yes deskmate came with it.This brings back memories,thanks for the video.
I used to own one of these exact model computers and can confirm it did in fact come with both dos 2.11 and deskmate on the rom.
Check out the hardware mods on the flash floppy page. Changing the 7 segment display for a tiny oled (you can browse file and folders by name!), adding buttons or a rotary encoder, and adding a tiny speaker for fake floppy noises are all easy.
Our family's first computer was a 1000HX. It came with Personal DeskMate 2. In 1987, it was really badass! We used that computer clear up to 1996 when we finally gave in and got a Win95 box.
By dad bought our HX back when I was a little kid, and I inherited it. I've still got mine, and it's my favourite "retro" computer that still gets a lot of usage.
@@BlackEpyon My folks still have it up above their garage. If I had room for it, I'd bring it home and play on it. Some day...
Adrian, you are doing great videos. I really enjoying watching them. Keep up!
Hello, Adrian ,
This is an another super upgrade to an old machine which make it to stand on its'' sources (with the additional sources which
you added) and be useful.
Yoıu are a very well Computer technician, i am continuing to follow your videos for sometime and this "Tandy serie" is remarkable as
many others which you made.
Thanks for the efforts and keep up the good work. :)
Love seeing classic computers get a new lease on life, whatever form it takes. Great video! :D
Love these videos.. always learn something new!
Another bout of insomnia and a new release from Mr Black. Love the shirt!
Really enjoyed this video and kudos to you for the SEPTandy idea. Tandy's were extemely common and make a great way to start a retro computing life. I'd love to see some coverage on a GRId system with bubble memory, made by Tandy.
I hope you’ve got some more videos in the works. Love your content, and general enthusiasm!
I'm in love with the new intro!
Gotek's are the greatest! A must for every retro build!
Thanks Adrian, I was able to make a custom floppy cable from a normal cable to use in my 1000TX which has the same power over cable config, now I'm using two non-tandy drives in my system happily!
Smokey Beige is also my go to retro paint. :) I've done it for my gotek mount for my Atari ST. Side note, Love SepTandy since combining Tandy and four of my favorite retro youtubers makes for a great month!
I feel so old as I'm viewing your videos LOL. I think I'm gonna dig in the basement for my first PC (Schneider EuroXT with monochrome orange Hercules monitor). Thanks!!!
'monochrome orange Hercules monitor' - an amdek 310a, perhaps ? loved mine, back in the day. the textured screen was so much more glare-resistant than the ibm green monochrome [5151 ?].
Was just explaining "Radio Shack" to my kids today. Great video!
Great video as always 👍🏻❤️
Great video Adrian... I recently picked up a Tandy 1000sx and am working on a restore video for it for my channel. I think I will add a Gotek based on your video.
Very well done video. Thanks!
Its great to see people breathing new life into these machines.
You've got me wanting to start Trash 80 Thursdays now!
Looking forward to more videos 😁
Nice little mod. Goteks are so useful! :)
Or as I call it, Tantember.
Hi Adrian! Why did you cut off the pins ont the GOTEK? Wouldn't it be easier to desolder/cut this 12V & 5V pins from the GOTEK PCB-side and solder some cables onto that pins directly to the 5V supply on the GOTEK? Then you would not have needed an extra cable! Best regards, Doc64!
Your original Tandy 1000EX videos are the reason I subscribed, glad to see another machine from the series getting an upgrade! Can you make this one accept those oversized 2.5 MB floppy images as well?
Me too, luckily I love C= stuff too. :-D
As far as I know, the floppy controller on the EX and HX could only accept 360K and 720K floppy drives. If there's a way for the GoTek to get around that, I'd love to know. Personally, I prefer using the floppy drive. I've got a CF adapter board for "hard drive" storage, but I don't like to make things too convenient - it ruins the nostalgia factor for me.
Check out Adrian's video titled "2.5MB virtual disk on a Tandy 1000 EX? (Or any PC or XT)" - he gives pretty specific instructions on how to essentially mount an oversized floppy image using the Gotek.
@@borismatesin I seem to have forgotten about that video. Thanks for reminding me.
@@BlackEpyon You can use a 1.44MB floppy drive (as long as it's Shugart compatible), you just won't be able to use 1.44MB disks. The Gotek's get around this limitation by configuring the max number of tracks to 255 from 80 and keeping everything else the same. This gives you a 2.5MB DD disk. :D
My Late Grandma used to have an HX. I remember playing the DOS Version of A Nightmare on Elm Street on it
Adrian, I'd suggest looking into setting up a Pi-hole device. Just got mine up last night.
Says very little free space. Screen shows 0 bytes free
lol love your videos nonetheless
The ROM only has 64k for DOS, I think, located at E000h. Just enough to run stuff without a DOS boot disk, which was a HUGE thing for a machine with no stock hard drive option. P.COM is the HX menu program.
Deskmate! my first GUI. I remember being jealous that my families' Tandy 1000 TX wasn't capable of running Windows. I'll never forget it though. We had Personal Deskmate 2 and Deskmate 3.0.5 disks.
All I cared about was the music program. I've still got the HX my dad bought when I was a kid (I inherited it when he upgraded). I think it's still possible to get Windows 1.0 working on the early 1000 models with a little tweaking, but I haven't tried it myself.
I think I would have modified the floppy emulator so that the power pins of the ribbon cable connected to the regular power connector through diodes. So that it could be powered directly by the same cable.
to solder the headers on gotek drives i plug the non solderd pins into a 20x2 pin socket and put it on fhe pins alredy solderd to keep them in place, it makes it very easily solder the pins.
Deskmate was included with my Tl/2 as well. Loved it.
I always connect a female connector to the male header when soldering. Keeps the pins aligned and adds some thermal sink to minimize making the plastic shroud thingy from softening. Enjoying @septandy month and think its really cool that you guys teamed up to do themed projects!
Nice video and nice EEV Blog multimiter
@@adriansdigitalbasement I keep thinking of getting one, but I've got other stuff to spend my disposable income on :P
The MasterCraft multimeter I have works fine for most things, though the 200 Ohm range is a little sticky. I've no doubt that the EEVBlog meter is high quality though with how critical Dave is on quality.
Thank you for this video. I tried this a long time ago on my 1000HX but could never get the drives to work together. I didn't know there was a setup program. I still can not get the Gotek to be drive A with the physical drive being B. I have messed with the slider on the drive and it won't work. Have you had any luck? I did get it to work with the Physical being drive A and the Gotek as drive B. So it's a moot point but still. Thank you again!
13:12: “so let’s figure out how power is getting from the motherboard to the disk drives”
My inner Jesse: “WIRE!!!”
Really cool ... recently got myself 2 Tandy's as well (tandy 1000 SL and Tandy 1000 TL) that have been sitting on my shelf just waiting to be looked at ... might also join in with this #septandy thing :)
@@adriansdigitalbasement Will reshuffle some priorities then :) Sometimes it seems that the machines I still need to cover keeps on growing ... should probably stop taking in new stuff.
@@adriansdigitalbasement Video is here th-cam.com/video/m0_pNYdi-GI/w-d-xo.html ... have footage for 2 more but that will be for #octandy :)
Deskmate came with my Tandy 1000 SL. It was very handy for doing my Term Paper in High School.
I’d like to do this mod. Besides 720K disk images, is it possible to also support larger with this new Gotek firmware?
Hi Adrian. With the dead one I found in an Amiga that it would not work initially on boot but doing a soft reset of the system would fix it. Not sure about the tandy but if it has a soft reset you may be able to salvage the dead one. Has to be soft reset each time you use the machine.
very handy!!
Great video. I'll bet you could shim up that Gotek to fill the space underneath without having to 3D print a new front. I'd use a thin piece of wood (a paint stirrer stick is probably close to the right thickness), paint it with your Smokey Beige, then pop it underneath. There'll still be a little bit of a seam showing but it would be less noticeable than that gap.
I can't tell you how much I hate power over the floppy cable. I had never seen that before and tried to put a FD-505 in a Tandy 1000 TX. Unlike the HX though they still had the 4 pin power connectors so I had no idea it was going to be power over floppy. It fried both the FD-505 and the 1000 TX.
This turned out great in the end though! It makes me want to finally get and explore using a Gotek. I wonder if it can do single density with the right firmware...
Can confirm that my Tandy 1000 HX included deskmate software on an eeprom chip along with dos 2.11. I also had external 5.25" and 3.5" floppy drives for it though only one could be used at a time.
Hi Adrian, are you able to "debug" what actually has been broken ?
Another fascinating video. Never touched a Tandy box, even less a Gotek (didn't know this even existed). I have learned a lot of new things watching. These Goteks are clever design, really. I always like your clear diction and cool comments, whatever happens. Did you cut out the swearing that burst out when you found out that you had fried the Gotek board?
Adrian: I can just use one of these little jumper links to connect the power!
Other Adrian: That’s perfect! I like this idea!
XD
I would have cut the connection between the Gotek PCB and the connector, and use the remains from the connector to connect the +5v power using a jumper wire (removable), so the Gotek can be used without modifying the Tandy at all. 18:30 exactly why I would have removed the pins on the back for all 12v and 5v that are not standard :) [update: that wouldn't have changed the 12v going to the other pins due to the reversal of the connectior... sigh]
Cutting the pins is so much easier than cutting the cable! I had to reverse several pins on a floppy cable, took hours with an exacto knife.
Just make a new cable.
In the 80's I lusted over the CP400 which was a local clone of the CoCo 2 but I was a poor kid.
We are planning on doing this to our Tandy 1000 HX. Unfortunately, ours was damaged in shipping so it does not look as nice as it could but it appears to work fine.
what Program do you use to to create IMG files for the flash floppy
hey @adrian black, do you have any idea how to interface a keyboard in a tandy 1400hd?
We have a gotek installed in our 1000 Tl/3. They are super Convenient!
Hi Adrian, I have a project where I'd like to put a gotek into two of my old logic analyzers. However it's hard to find good sources on floppy drive standards out there. For instance my old HP1652B's floppy drive uses what seems to be different signaling standards than a typical PC. Likewise for my HP1661 C. Do you have any pointers out there to find these standards? This episode already gave me some new pointers to follow. Also, on my 1661 it has a 25 yo 512 MB hard drive that still works, but I've been trying to find a IDE SD controller that will allow me to set the C/H/S settings to match the old 512 MB drive. The BIOS on the 1661 will accept nothing else. Any pointers on SD IDE interfaces that allow one to set the C/H/S setting to match something very specific?
Can’t wait for the CoCo vids
Thank you for this video. It's very hard to get information about these gotek drives (IMO). I bought one for my Amiga 500 a few years ago. Even though it was already setup I found it difficult to get the drive to write successfully without corrupting the floppy images stored on the USB stick. Also had to use special software to load the USB stick with images. I tend to just use floppies as I have a large collection of Double Density disks.
@Mr T. Guru What type of Amiga do you have?
I had this one. Yes Deskmate came with it. And it was very nice.
Did you have to use a specific gotek or update the firmware to get it to work on a tandy 1000? Need one for my 1000tx.
If you have Personal Deskmate 2 and the music program, it would be really great if you could make some high quality video of the music program playing back the included sample files. The 1000 TX has a different, distinct sound to the later machines that have the more sophisticated audio hardware.
Good tutorial, thanks. "Had to register": that's ST Microelectronics for you. And most of the microcontroller manufacturers are getting that way, too.
+1 for Thexder, one of my favorite. Was that the Tandy version? That didn't sound exactly like Tandy sound...
@@adriansdigitalbasement Oh ok, maybe it just doesn't translate well over youtube... or... maybe my childhood memory remembers things much grander than they really were :)
Blu-tac is for intermediate solderers, I usually just hold parts with my fingers, smell them burning, then run around the building while screaming 😅
That's the only real way to know if the iron is hot enough.
But the question is, are you a beginner or expert? Lol😅😂
Yup. Deskmate was bundled with the systems. One of the big selling points
Nothing brings back memories more than Moonlight Sonata playing over the Tandy 3-voice sound chip.
I miss my HX.
That music program was my favourite when I was around 4 or 5. I've still got mine.
Enjoyed this and learned stuff. Can one still get 5.25" drives? I'd prefer to get or put together one with a USB connection.
I will look on eBay. Oh yeah can you use a 5.25" HD drive on original LD disks? It's slowly coming back to me.
Very nice project. Good, you didn't kill your machine.
@@adriansdigitalbasement So that was close to a financial disaster. To be honest, I don't like the Gotek-drives. They never fit to the old machines' designs and many people tend to destroy their computer cases to get one into them. I prefer an SD/HDD solution, if possible. Of course, the Goteks are still proper alternative drives. ;)
Came up in 2020 for #SepTandy, TH-cam knows what to show me 😁
Yes, there were versions of Deskmate like v1 for the SX, the Model 4, a Xenix version for the Model 16/6000, they had Deskmate 2 for the HX/EX era and then they had Deskmate 3 which took advantage of the enhanced DAC in the L series 1000 machines. This was a nice selling point. I used v2 on my HX a lot and then later MS Works 2.0 for DOS which has Microsoft's TUI. I tried using MS Word for DOS but Works seemed nicer.
I have only used Adblock for blocking malicious Ads, but I just realized that those Ads can really screw up web browsing experience on slower internet connection or computer hardware(I am using 100Mbps internet connection(which could go up to 500Mbps if my router wasn't crap)).
Lots of Ads are always irritating though.
If that is Deskmate 1.1, what was the ver shipped with the original 1000 'cause it was a pure text mode gui, none of those tiny graphical enhancements for the buttons/notepad/etc?
DeskMate 2 was what shipped with the HX, and that was a full GUI.
Adrian: what can one do, if their HX does not have the drive caddy? I ask, because the one I bought off someone I know lacks it.
Amstrads have a similar problem in that the Hitachi 3" disk drives use the same power connector as a Sony 3.5" drive, but the 5V and 12V pins are reversed. When I hacked a 3.5" drive into a tatty old PCW9512, I popped the connectors out of the shell and swapped them around, then coloured the plug black using a marker pen to remind me that I'd modified it. The later PcW models with slimline 3.5 drives have the power supplied down the non-standard 26-way ribbon cable, which creates a whole other problem.
I wish... I knew how to do this stuff. I've been really wanting to replace the broken floppy drive in my Brother WP 1600Q word processor but at the moment I am too ignorant and incapable! Thank you for making this video, I will continue my information scavenger hunt.
Regarding the interface. You're saying that it supports the Shugart pinout right out of the box, or does it have a jumper configuration to change between interface formats? The Tandy 1000 line was a bit of an oddball, because they kept using the Shugart pinout long after other PC compatibles were using the PC standard pinout. My RSX, the last Tandy 1000 model, a 386, uses Shugart, which means that you need to make a custom ribbon if you want to replace the floppy drive and the replacement doesn't have the necessary jumpers.
Gotek drives with FlashFloppy are 100% Shugart compatible.
github.com/keirf/FlashFloppy/wiki/Host-Platforms#general-notes
This was a good time for Gotek, now they usually come with an AT32F415 in a QFN32 package. They are less expandable and so far I have not found how to connect a rotary encoder to those new models. Even after flashing them with the latest FlashFloppy, they remain baby carriage, even on an Amiga. On my Amiga 4000, I regularly get a lot of read errors, which was not the case with the earlier models.
I bought a Gotek for my one-owner 486. But I'd love to know why they didn't design it w/ an SD slot. I mean, it always looks like my floppy drive has a hard-on! :D
I'd have preferred not to jump power from the FDD, I'd have cut the power pins on the Go-Tec from the circuit-board, and jumped from there to power/ground.
Is there space to install an extension to that drive ribbon cable? If so I'd be inclined to make an extension for the Gotek with all the power wires disconnected, so there's no way you can stick voltage into your Gotek. Either that or make a whole new drive cable with voltage one side and not the other, and keep the original cable in case you want to revert to factory.
I'd just go with a new cable. They're easy enough to make.
I think I'd have gone down the route of making a custom adapter cable, rather than making changes to the hardware. Since you were spray painting the case of the Gotek anyway, couldn't you just cut a piece of plastic to the correct size of the hole in the case, paint it, and fix it over the Gotek? Does the cage allow leeway for moving the Gotek back a bit into the case? There are surely simpler solutions to 3d printing an entire new case for the Gotek! I like the look of the keyboard on that machine. Is it good to type on?
I use Ublock Origins and it's great!
@Adrian Black
@7:38 Yup, that is one of the big reasons. The other is personal security.
@@adriansdigitalbasement Exactly, they did this to themselves.
Stupid question, is it possible to put the gotek in an external drive shell?
That "Bluetak" is an unconventional approach -- neat idea, though! -- but, I always wondered why you didn't just use a PCB clamp and some perfboard when soldering; it's really easy to line stuff up that way.
DeskMate was included with 1000 series machines. What you have there is Graphic DeskMate 1, the original v.1 was ASCII graphics, and was just painfull to look at.
Being surprised by a ton of ads and not using some form of blocker is just...can't think of any other way to say it...very 1997. Do you still use dial up too?
The first programming method seems way more convoluted than the second, where you can just bridge the programming pins plug in an A-A cable and run dfu-util.
Great video and the Gotek works well on my own Tandy 1000 HX. I ended up creating a 3D printed mount that looks like a floppy drive. I posted it on Thingiverse if anyone wants it (search Tandy 1000HD Gotek). I still haven't found matching spray paint color to match the Tandy case though.
yes.. deskmate came with it... OMG ... i was 10 got one for xmas 1985 !!!... was so pissed it had no HDD while my best friend had gotten a clone that year !!!!!! I am in Nova scotia.. got the 640k ram card controler in bangor maine when i was on vacation to Florida... the Guy at radioshack was surprised i knew what i needed at 1
Deskmate was included when you bought the 1000HX. I had it with my old 1000HX which was my first computer back in 1988
I wish these were common here in europe. Such a beautifull computer
I can't wait for IBMarch x)
had a tandy 1000sl/tl (cant remember) and it did have deskmate built into rom IIRC but its been too many years since i last touched one so i might not have remembered everything correctly (would have been back around 2000-2001)
I have to find one of these all in one keyboard style Tandy 1000s , I have a Tandy 1000RLX Hard Drive and I love it.
The earlier 1000's are pretty good at playing the old Sierra games, even if slower than the RLX. I've got a 1000 HX and 1000 RSX. If you can get the extra RAM, and a Compact-Flash board going for storage on the EX or HX, they're a pretty functional 8088-based system.
That version of DeskMate is at minimum 2.x. DeskMate 1.0 was a much more crude-looking text-only interface, with columns for the different file types (text, spreadsheet, database, calendar, etc). Wasn't until 2.x that they went to the GUI-like interface.
As I recall, the 3.x version had a "virtual" display space that was much larger than the monitors of the time, and it would map the space down to the resolution of your monitor. Of course, was almost 30 years ago that I had read about that (I once had the DeskMate Developers Kit).
I've got a couple versions of DeskMate 3.x for my 1000 RSX, but I've never gotten them working properly (probably bad disks, I haven't tried for a while). I could just download the disk images from an abandonware site, but to be honest, I never cared for DeskMate other than for the music program (which I spent hours on as a kid).
I think I'm going to make my gotec hx only and solder on the 5v and 0v to the power or maybe make an adapter cable that fixes the pinout and provides power... and should work with normal 3.5 drives